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   Review of the Proposed Capital Improvement Program FY2024/2025-2028/2029

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   Staff presented the proposed FY2024/25-2028/29 Capital Improvement Program by funding source (general fund, stormwater, capital improvement, water/sewer, CRA, street improvement). Council discussed pushing back the $350,000 Francis Avenue boardwalk pending more analysis, with Mayor advocating to redirect funds toward improvements at the Bank/Main downtown building and the former Schwetman/Gulf High School property. Council gave direction to keep boardwalk in budget but delay/reduce funding while staff brings back design concepts.

   • direction:Council directed staff to keep Francis Avenue boardwalk in CIP but reduce/defer funding and bring back design concepts for further discussion. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to identify funding to evaluate improvements to the city-owned building at Bank and Main. (none)

   📍Beach Street📍Carlton, Dartmouth, and Berkeley📍Francis Avenue📍Golf Drive📍Grand Boulevard📍James Gray Preserve📍Little Road📍Pine Hill property📍Schwetman property / former Gulf High School property📍Sims Park📍corner of Bank and Main🏢Chamber of Commerce🏢Great Explorations🏢Green Genes🏢Main Street🏢Pasco Hernando State College🏢St. Leo University🏢Starbucks🏢University of Florida IFAS👤Billy Phillips👤Crystal Vance👤Kelly👤Richardson👤Robert Rivera👤Simpson👤Steve Booth#2024 Carlton/Dartmouth/Berkeley Resiliency Improvement#2024 Francis Avenue Improvements#Beach Street Stormwater Resiliency Improvement Project#CRA#Capital Improvement Program FY2024/2025-2028/2029#Fire Station 2#Fire Station Hardening Project#Fleet Purchasing Warehouse#Grand Boulevard Bridge Replacement#Grand Boulevard Multi-Use Path#Gray Preserve Improvements Phase 1#Moultrie study#Peace Hall renovations#Penny for Pasco#Railroad Square project#Recreation and Aquatic Center artificial turf#Super Playground#Town and Country / Leisure Lane septic-to-sewer conversion

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   [00:00:11] on six different funding sources that we rely on, and they are the general fund, capital [00:00:20] improvement funding, which is actually penny for PASCO funds, stormwater utility, water [00:00:27] and sewer, construction funds, our redevelopment funds, which is actually our CRA, and then [00:00:35] our street improvement project funds, which is, as you know, a special assessment fund. [00:00:41] Those are all of the funds that are contained in our capital improvement budget. [00:00:48] We have a summary of construction activities, and Mr. Robert Rivera will review for you [00:00:59] the projects that we talked about and had some changes on from our last public hearing. [00:01:06] Sure, thank you Ms. Vance. [00:01:08] I figured what we would do is I'll go ahead and do each fund. [00:01:12] We'll start on the general fund, page three, the spreadsheets that you see. [00:01:19] Won't be as detailed as far as project descriptions and calling out all the elements. [00:01:24] We'll call out the projects and let you know if there were any changes, and then before [00:01:28] we move on to the next division, I guess we would just, it might be easier just to open [00:01:33] it up for any comments or questions that you may have before we move to the other one, [00:01:38] if you think that that'll work out the best. [00:01:41] So again, our first fund that we're looking at is a general fund. [00:01:46] There were no changes from our first presentation to you. [00:01:50] The projects that were included in next year's budget are the artificial turf at the Recreation [00:01:55] and Aquatic Center, shade canopy replacements at the Aquatic Center. [00:02:01] We have our pool resurfacing, the plunge pool and the dive pool. [00:02:05] We have the outdoor basketball court resurfacing, and then the plunge pool slide resurfacing. [00:02:12] We're going to be doing the engineering, and then the resurfacing. [00:02:17] And so that finishes this funding source. [00:02:20] So if you have any questions before we move on. [00:02:25] Only that you say the prior year penny for PASCO, does that mean that they were prior [00:02:29] year projects that weren't done in the current year, or are we talking about the money from [00:02:35] the prior years? [00:02:37] Probably talking both, because there are some projects on here, like the plunge pool, that [00:02:46] we didn't get done, but we also include the dive pool, which is on schedule. [00:02:53] So it could be either or, or both. [00:03:01] Our next funding is stormwater, 002, that's on page nine. [00:03:07] We have our miscellaneous flood projects that we typically do. [00:03:11] There were, by the way, there were no changes in this from the first presentation as well. [00:03:17] We have the Beach Street stormwater resiliency improvement project, and then we have the [00:03:23] beginning of the 2024 Carlton, Dartmouth, and Berkeley resiliency improvement projects [00:03:30] as well. [00:03:31] Any questions? [00:03:32] On the Beach Street, were there expenses to this project started already, or do we have [00:03:44] expenses in the current year that are ongoing with this, or is this to be done next year? [00:03:50] The Beach Street, this year we performed all the engineering, the design, the design [00:03:55] engineering portion. [00:03:56] The engineering that you see in here is for construction. [00:04:03] And that did, if Crystal corrects me, I think that's like a 90% grant. [00:04:16] So page 15 is the capital improvement fund. [00:04:21] There were no changes in this here. [00:04:25] The only thing that I, we have the great preserve improvements phase one, that's for the completion [00:04:33] of the design work. [00:04:34] We had to combine a lot of the elements to be able to apply for the grant. [00:04:41] The other one that we have in this year is the 2024 Francis Avenue improvements. [00:04:46] This includes the boardwalk as one of the main elements of the project, and I think [00:04:52] that was up for discussion the last time we presented it to you the first time. [00:04:57] And I don't think that we ended up getting a clear direction from you. [00:05:01] I've had some discussion with the council since that time, and we're going to keep it [00:05:06] in, but maybe push it back a little bit and do a little bit more analysis before we spend [00:05:12] any real money on the project. [00:05:14] Okay, so we're going to keep the numbers the same? [00:05:17] Let me see. [00:05:24] We will keep, I'm sorry, I lost track of where it is, but five, six down, six down Francis [00:05:31] Avenue. [00:05:32] We're going to amend the number some, and I'll work with you on it. [00:05:43] Other than that, this funding source here had no changes, really. [00:05:49] We had projection screens that were going to be replaced at Sims Park. [00:05:55] We had restroom upgrades to the existing facilities at the James Gray Preserve. [00:06:04] We had the beginning of the Peace Hall renovations, engineering, that's a deficiency analysis, [00:06:10] and then it would also include some design work as well as grant process. [00:06:17] We've got the recreation center skate park project, the engineering for this coming year. [00:06:28] Fire station hardening project, we expect to complete that this coming year, engineering [00:06:34] as well as construction. [00:06:37] Fire station two, the completion of the construction in the next few months. [00:06:42] We have three upgrades to City Hall and the library that included the sealing of the [00:06:48] existing block that we have, or brick. [00:06:54] We have renovations to the restrooms here at City Hall, and then we start our engineering [00:07:01] for the following year improvements, which would include impact windows for City Hall. [00:07:11] We continue with the Grand Boulevard bridge replacement. [00:07:18] We have construction that's supposed to start in January of 2026. [00:07:27] We have the Grand Boulevard multi-use path, that is the engineering that you see is for [00:07:34] the construction phase. [00:07:35] We're expected to complete that. [00:07:37] The contractor has gotten his notice to proceed, so that should be within the next month, I [00:07:42] believe it is, that you'll start seeing work out there. [00:07:44] Is that going to be? [00:07:45] Next month? [00:07:46] Next month is? [00:07:47] They should start. [00:07:48] Oh, okay. [00:07:49] There's going to be a problem down the south end down by Swetman and the bridge. [00:07:54] We're going to stop at Golf Drive. [00:07:58] We'll stop. [00:08:03] And then we'll start design work for the next phase of the multi-use path. [00:08:14] And that concludes this funding source. [00:08:16] I just want to reiterate that my interest in Francis Parker and getting the growth there [00:08:24] and it can cause, satisfy a lot of problems with golf middle school, after school, in [00:08:31] the community. [00:08:32] I don't necessarily think we need basketball right away, but volleyball would be good because [00:08:37] I think we'd get the adults there if we had lights and a rec director or an individual [00:08:44] there to promote the volleyball there. [00:08:51] Two courts. [00:08:57] The maintenance related to the volleyball, is this like beach volleyball, sand? [00:09:05] You know more about it than I do. [00:09:07] Is that something that has to be excavated, replaced often? [00:09:10] I know we've had a sandbox when I was a little tiny one. [00:09:15] If it's treated and it's used, it doesn't overgrow and they also put the sand down x [00:09:19] amount of inches so you don't get the growth up in it. [00:09:23] It's not a major maintenance. [00:09:27] My comments have always been related to that park on the boardwalk and the one thing, of [00:09:34] course we haven't closed on the property, but I do believe that the Schwetman property [00:09:40] with our vision of that being a connective park to the 80 acres, which we also should [00:09:51] be talking to the county about that extra 10 acres, they mentioned it in their acquisition [00:09:56] that it's right next to the Great Preserve, so I can only imagine that they would either [00:10:01] be welcome to any kind of inclusion of that with our review or security or cameras or [00:10:08] whatever to protect that section of the woods back there, but because we haven't closed [00:10:15] on it doesn't mean we haven't closed on nor have we taken the land behind the Starbucks, [00:10:23] but we've been keeping that in the budget, including in the CRA budget, even though it's [00:10:27] not even in the CRA yet, so it's been difficult to see the delays. [00:10:35] It was December when we talked about acquiring that property. [00:10:38] I know that got tossed out by the school board and I fully expect that it will come [00:10:45] back, but I've mentioned it before and I'll say it again, the St. Louis University is [00:10:53] wrapping their boat with the hopes that they could begin to do some studies in classroom [00:10:57] and bring some activity from their university here. [00:11:01] Mrs. Richardson from Pasco Hernando State College, who's in charge of innovation for [00:11:06] the state college, wants to bring the president of that college in so they can have a role [00:11:12] in our city in some fashion. [00:11:16] There needs to be, obviously, a business plan of sorts and I know we've talked about it [00:11:21] being available for CRA dollars, but perhaps the CRA should be focused on the building [00:11:30] portion of it in terms of creating the activity, but certainly the recreation center would [00:11:37] be the perfect opportunity for kayak rentals in both directions and maybe jump in a kayak [00:11:43] and leave it downtown and go downtown, so I think we have a real lifestyle interest [00:11:49] with that waterfront there and that's why I've been asking, and I think I had some support [00:11:53] from Kelly who's not here, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but with Francis Park, just [00:11:59] not to put the $300,000 or $400,000 boardwalk in place yet, because part of that boardwalk, [00:12:05] as I've been described, involves looping behind those bushes and to the river and then back [00:12:11] out, which is a nice walk, it's a whole different opportunity for middle school kids when they [00:12:18] come out to get out of the view of the public, so I'm not sure from a security standpoint, [00:12:26] but from an investment standpoint, if we make that purchase, I think there's a great opportunity [00:12:33] for our library system as well as for our, including their food thing, and so we've talked [00:12:44] about how excited and we're going to have discussion, I would rather see some of the [00:12:50] money for the park put into the next fiscal year for that boardwalk, so we could take [00:12:55] a good look at how it would work and what it would cost, and I'd like to see some money [00:13:01] put in for the expectation that we're going to own that thing and for some of the properties [00:13:10] that we do own. The other property we talked about that we own is the building on the corner [00:13:18] of Bank and Main, and it's in decent shape, but it's not really in tip-top shape, and [00:13:25] it's costing the city, I'm sure, to keep it air-conditioned, to keep the level of mold [00:13:33] or whatever may happen to a building if it's left alone, and so I know we had the expression [00:13:40] from the Great Explorations that they could go in and use it, now the Chamber of Commerce [00:13:45] is talking, they've got a committee now to look for where they would move, the Main Street [00:13:52] people don't have a place to go, we have all this office space up front that we own, it [00:13:59] would be nice to evaluate, determine the cost of either fixing the elevator, because it's [00:14:04] not compliant with that small elevator, and I don't know that it's even in functioning [00:14:09] order. It doesn't function currently. Yeah, so if we've got something that's not functioning, [00:14:14] that could be right in the middle of our town creating some activity, I think from [00:14:19] an economic standpoint, it would be nice if you could move your numbers around a little [00:14:25] bit and take that three... Isn't this amended every year? I'm sorry? Isn't this amended [00:14:31] every year? It can be amended at any time. Yeah, okay, so we don't have to move the money [00:14:37] tonight or this week, we can amend it next year when we have more concrete things to [00:14:43] do and more concrete things to say, like you said, we don't even own it at this point. [00:14:47] Well, the city owns it, and so it could be... We own the downtown. He's jumping around, [00:14:54] I'm talking about the scanty. You can say I'm jumping around, but this is set... [00:15:00] One of us, and I appreciate the opportunity to suggest that, put before us for the second year, is putting millions of dollars into a community we don't own yet, but we're excited about, and we can talk about that, and we can do it. [00:15:16] Now we have a building that we've had, that we will own, which is going to cause us to amend it, and we may have to amend it to put more or less, but there's nothing that would throw the staff off to move something around at this point. [00:15:37] And isn't that why we're here? Because if we're just here to rubber stamp it, then I think it's time to put some thought into it and to begin thinking about it. [00:15:50] I mean, the Great Preserve is sitting here in 26 and 27, and 27-28, and that goes back many years. So projects jump in front of things that Billy Phillips was talking about when he bought the extra land to make that connection through there. [00:16:09] So my point is just, there seems to be some space in the second year in terms of the capital improvement fund to begin with, but we should begin to consider it. [00:16:23] If we don't put something in the budget, Mayor, and we get a chance to go after a grant, they ask us whether or not we can match it or whether we have it in the budget. [00:16:35] So put it in for a grant match or something, but the University of Florida IFAS, Agriculture Commissioner Simpson, an organization called Green Genes that's doing demonstration aquaculture, [00:16:54] and others have been actively trying to prepare to present their case, but as you say, we don't own it yet, so it's premature. [00:17:05] The St. Leo University said the minute you find out when you have it, so I don't want to have them say, okay, well, talk to us next year. That's all. [00:17:15] Some of these folks are getting up there in age a little bit, including myself. I don't see why we can't begin to get excited about that project and determine what is CRA of it, but it should be a recreation asset. [00:17:29] Anything CRA does, it stays public, stays in the public, like SimSpark or anything else. So I don't know what looks I'm getting, but I'm going to hopefully have somebody jump in. [00:17:42] What portion of the $1.2 million is the boardwalk? [00:17:48] The boardwalk is $350,000. [00:17:51] Okay, so when we're talking about that $350,000, if that is pumping the brakes on that for this year, that's $350,000 that could be moved for consideration on the old golf high school property? [00:18:02] It could be, yes, but I do want to bring up the fact that we did appropriate money to the former golf high school property or Schwetman school property, yes, already, and another funding source later on in the presentation, you'll see that. [00:18:21] Is that acquisition money? [00:18:23] No, it's not acquisition money. [00:18:26] It's improvement money? [00:18:28] Yes. [00:18:30] Okay, so maybe we'll wait until the end and see if there's the potential that that could, at least if it's just identified in there, it allows you to say yes when you do a grant. [00:18:41] Right. [00:18:42] I'm pretty adamant that I'm not ready to support the boardwalk. [00:18:46] I don't know if you want to continue to have a discussion about that or somebody really wants to put that boardwalk in, but I'm just thinking of all the kids because I see them walking in and out every day and all of the activity, including police activity that goes on in that school. [00:19:01] I'm hesitant to create a boardwalk, a wooden structure that could require maintenance that does make a disappearing act from the street. [00:19:12] I see it in a similar way with the boardwalk, and we had this conversation that if it's worth pushing it back and looking into it more, that's fine by me. [00:19:22] And what can take place of that, if anything, like the Schwetman property, my other question with that project is the basketball courts, those would still happen this year? [00:19:35] It would. [00:19:36] The basketball courts would still happen, and then the volleyball would still happen, or was that up for being pushed back too? [00:19:43] The only thing that I think that you all have been discussing is whether or not you want to keep the boardwalk in or not. [00:19:49] The volleyball staying? [00:19:50] So all the other elements would stay, if that's what you want. [00:19:53] They would stay if we decided they would stay. [00:19:55] That's what I said. [00:19:56] If you decide that. [00:19:57] If you guys decide that. [00:19:58] If that's what you want. [00:19:59] Since we were talking about the boardwalk and potentially pushing that back, I was just making sure that we were still consistent on everything else listed there. [00:20:06] Because that includes lights, as I'm understanding it, and then staffing that would have to be able to add it to their daily routine or whatever. [00:20:16] Promote it. In today's world, the youth do not participate unless it's organized. Not like you and I when we were kids. [00:20:26] I don't know if I shared this with you all, but I talked to Steve Booth. [00:20:29] As you know, he's been Mr. Little League forever and was the big proponent of the county taking over the Pine Hill property. [00:20:37] He told me that they are, I believe I'm going to get this right, but it's in the neighborhood of $10 million that they're putting into that facility. [00:20:48] Can you believe that? It's leveled. [00:20:51] And so that's a good deal for us, I guess, to have that facility. [00:20:54] Yeah, it is. That was a good deal. [00:20:56] And they're putting some serious money into it. [00:20:58] We were the low man on the totem pole. [00:21:03] As far as their maintenance was concerned, yeah. [00:21:05] So now that they own it, they're moving forward. [00:21:09] Bringing it up to scale. [00:21:11] Anyway, that's... [00:21:12] A lot of kids just lay there. [00:21:13] And even if it's just a little money to get the name of it in the budget, I would like to see some kind of... [00:21:20] We're redoing the bathrooms here for the third time. [00:21:23] We've got a building that we own. [00:21:25] It may be demolished. [00:21:27] I don't know what the ultimate plan is for that building, but we had the Moultrie study came out and told us to do some things. [00:21:35] We could look back at their study to determine if we want to do any kind of a construction or capital improvement to the building to make it functional. [00:21:43] Think about what we want it to be. [00:21:46] Which building? [00:21:47] The building downtown. [00:21:48] Downtown, on a bank in Maine. [00:21:50] Because don't put the whole 350 in there. [00:21:53] Maybe you've got... [00:21:54] You can show me where there's money in there for that as well. [00:21:57] But I do bring that one up as a... [00:22:00] It's right in the heart of our city. [00:22:02] I'll back you on that because it won't move unless there's money in the budget. [00:22:06] Yeah. [00:22:07] So why don't you come up with a number where you can... [00:22:11] That you think you might need to take it to the next level. [00:22:15] And then if we have the boardwalk discussion, because I'm just in my mind imagining what it would look like, [00:22:21] I'm happy for you to move forward with some design and some concept and to bring it to us to talk about how it would work and what it would look like at Francis. [00:22:32] We could do that during this year. [00:22:33] You know, it seems to me to be a lot like the one out of France at the Great Bazaar. [00:22:38] Maybe. [00:22:39] That's what I imagined it to be. [00:22:41] Is that kind of what you guys were... [00:22:44] Imagining? [00:22:47] That's a wooden... [00:22:48] Something like that. [00:22:49] That's wooden and the one around Orange Lake is the plastic or whatever. [00:22:54] Right. [00:22:55] The one freshwater... [00:22:57] Well, thank you, Mayor, for letting me go on that. [00:23:00] I just feel strongly about it. [00:23:03] Well, if the boardwalk, if you're looking at it, it might potentially cause some issues with the kids over there. [00:23:11] And we might want to look at that and see. [00:23:13] We don't want to cause a problem with law enforcement or whatever else. [00:23:19] You know, having to monitor it all the time and, you know... [00:23:23] Put a lifeguard there? [00:23:24] I don't know. [00:23:25] Put a lifeguard there. [00:23:26] Put a lifeguard there, yeah. [00:23:27] I mean, I'm not kidding, you know. [00:23:28] Yeah. [00:23:29] I mean, I'm kidding, but I'm not. [00:23:30] I know. [00:23:31] Because if there's, you know, any kind of open space that's kind of off to the side, I mean, you know, kids are going to go hang out there for sure. [00:23:35] And that's a positive thing. [00:23:37] And in that respect, I'd almost like to do a user study of the middle school students or of the people that are... [00:23:44] Yeah. [00:23:45] Get them involved. [00:23:47] ...hanging out at the park and ask them what type of amenities they'd like to see there and build that into the budget. [00:24:02] Might give them some input from the teachers because they sit there and listen to them. [00:24:07] When we built the Super Playground, you remember, we were both there. [00:24:12] We were all there, I think. [00:24:15] But there was no vandalism because it was done as a community thing. [00:24:22] And there was always parents watching. [00:24:24] And when you have ownership of something, you're a lot less likely to let things go. [00:24:30] So I think that's a good idea, to imagine that park over the next year. [00:24:37] Do what you can to current. [00:24:39] Thank you. [00:24:40] So our next funding source is Water and Sewer Construction Fund. [00:24:45] It's on page 33. [00:24:50] Not as much fun as the recreation situation. [00:24:53] We're going to change it here. [00:24:55] The projects that we have scheduled for the coming year are the Fleet Purchasing Warehouse. [00:25:02] A lot of these other projects that you see, like we've talked about previously, [00:25:07] they're reactive projects that we have money allocated in case we need them. [00:25:13] We've got our water utility improvement project that we'll be working on, [00:25:18] as well as the interconnect that we have with Pasco County out at Little Road. [00:25:31] And then the highlight, I guess you'd call it, of this division would be [00:25:36] we would start the design work on the town and country leisure lane engineering [00:25:42] that we've been working on to convert the septic to sewer, [00:25:47] as well as other elements that we have. [00:25:54] So this division stayed the same, basically, from our first presentation. [00:25:57] We've got a projected ribbon cutting to build the warehouse. [00:26:04] Fleet, I think it's September 10th. [00:26:07] We've talked about. [00:26:09] We'll get that communication to you, though, in your manager's report [00:26:13] so you can all get the date on your calendar. [00:26:18] Next funding source that we have is the CRA. [00:26:21] That's on page 45. [00:26:24] Put a few changes here. [00:26:30] So we have the railroad square project that we're proposing to start this upcoming year. [00:26:39] Streetscape enhancements, phase one, [00:26:41] that's that conceptual drawings that we ended up presenting to you a few weeks ago. [00:26:47] We were instructed to come back, [00:26:50] and we'll give you a couple more options to take a look at. [00:26:54] We would expect that design work would start next year. [00:26:58] We go down to the 2024 Sims landing improvements. [00:27:02] That is the original project was the Sims Park boat ramp improvements. [00:27:08] The first draft that we gave you had a sum of $100,000. [00:27:15] This has been increased to $150,000. [00:27:20] The Cody River boat ramp, that's property acquisition. [00:27:24] That's going to be spanned over 2425 and 2526. [00:27:30] That's in the amount of $2,750,000. [00:27:35] Okay. [00:27:47] You say property acquisition, and is that a, [00:27:53] that's the one that is not in the downtown? [00:27:56] Yeah. [00:27:57] Correct. [00:27:58] Thank you. [00:28:05] If you can go to the next page. [00:28:10] We added, before the next page, we did add floor mar, terrace. [00:28:18] That's the streetscape improvements that we have. [00:28:21] That's at $175,000. [00:28:24] And then on the next page is where we've added a lot of the projects that were discussed that you wanted to see. [00:28:33] We added the Schwedman property revitalization. [00:28:37] We've got 2425, $200,000. [00:28:41] 2526, 2627, that's $500,000 each year. [00:28:47] And then 2728 at $150,000. [00:28:51] You'll see that the property acquisition will take place in 2728 at $1,750,000. [00:29:06] We included the downtown business wayfinding signs. [00:29:11] We've got engineering at $80,000 and then the construction at $250,000, all taking place next year. [00:29:20] And then we have the redevelopment streetscape improvements that we've added at $200,000. [00:29:31] The West Pasco Red Cross building acquisition, we've got that at $25,000. [00:29:38] And then we added the strategic property acquisition program. [00:29:42] That's at $1.5 million. [00:29:46] This program provides for the acquisition and assemblage of properties associated with the strategic priorities of the community redevelopment plan. [00:29:55] Some of the examples include the acquisition of the [00:30:00] The mayor and the Acorn Street properties. [00:30:08] And so that's what we've added here from the previous presentation. [00:30:23] For the Marine Parkway, [00:30:26] Destium Bridge, I know we had talked about looking at maybe a different [00:30:33] location, kind of a mid-span crossing maybe, overhead further south before [00:30:43] Marine Parkway, and you know kind of crunch numbers and look at that and see [00:30:50] what kind of... A mid-block crossing? I'm sorry. Instead of, yeah, instead of right [00:30:55] there at the intersection of Marine Parkway, possibly bring it back to in [00:30:59] between Marine Parkway and Florimar, kind of maybe in the center of where [00:31:06] everything's happening there, to see if it would be cheaper and less, you know, [00:31:11] less cumbersome to acquire stuff in that area. Okay. Because one side, you know, we [00:31:18] could probably have no issues with. Well, we could perform a study and determine [00:31:25] that easily within the funding that's available in professional services in [00:31:34] this budget. Additionally, the money that's appropriated for right-of-way [00:31:40] acquisition could be used for either project, no matter which way it goes, [00:31:45] whether it's for, you know, the median cuts or whether it's for the overhead [00:31:52] bridge. Right. Well, both I still see as overhead bridges, just not in the [00:31:58] middle of the intersection. Right. We're having the issue. Right, right. What about Cross Bayou? [00:32:04] Cross Bayou. Well, it's got a tie-in to Marine Parkway. We've already built it for that [00:32:16] on the other side. Yeah. We can look at it, though, and do a study. Okay, and I mean, [00:32:24] I'm just, you know, trying to say we have to have it tomorrow, but we kind of need [00:32:28] to know that and know if that's the direction we're going to go so we can start doing [00:32:33] things for that instead of the intersection. Absolutely. Especially if it's [00:32:39] cheaper, but we don't know that until we find out. Yeah, we'll update the fee data that we have [00:32:47] currently and then provide the alternate that you're requesting with fee data as [00:32:55] well. Okay, we definitely, yeah, definitely need that to get direction. Thank you. [00:33:10] The last funding source that we have is the Street Improvement Fund. That's on page 60. [00:33:18] This year would include traffic sign upgrades. Those are those decorative... I'm sorry, may I stop you one second? Oh, sure. [00:33:26] Yeah, back to the summary of funding. I guess it's interest and other revenue, that $318,000. [00:33:35] I'm guessing that would include the money that the hotel is paying us for [00:33:40] the parking garage and any other sort of miscellaneous revenues that we might get from the hotel and the college and the hacienda payment as well. [00:33:55] Thank you. Back to you, sorry. [00:34:05] Anybody have anything else? [00:34:13] Page 60, Street Improvement Fund. We have the first project that we have is the traffic sign upgrades. [00:34:21] These are the decorative signs that you see downtown, those poles. [00:34:27] We've got the next neighborhood improvement project that would be River Road in the area of Acorn Street. [00:34:37] That would be for engineering services. [00:34:42] We've got an LED crosswalk at $90,000. [00:34:49] Roadway and parking lot striping, $50,000. I believe that's at a couple of parking lots. [00:34:57] One of the parking lots here and then over by the arcade that the city owns. [00:35:03] $20,000 for alley improvements. Engineering, $100,000 for construction. [00:35:11] We will continue with our sidewalk projects that we have. [00:35:17] This one is in the east and west grand neighborhoods. [00:35:21] This is the CDBG grant one that we have. [00:35:25] This is filling in the gaps of existing sidewalk that we have in the areas. [00:35:31] The next one is $25,000 for engineering and $200,000, that's the annual sidewalk improvement project. [00:35:39] We would anticipate finishing up a few areas in the Heights neighborhood [00:35:47] and then taking and moving up along Grand Boulevard towards the New Port Richey City limits. [00:35:53] There's some areas there that has old sidewalks that are just in terrible shape. [00:36:00] Then we have our next street improvement project where we'll be doing the design. [00:36:06] When I'm not the design, we'll be doing the construction engineering and then the build at 1.7. [00:36:11] The construction engineering would be at $40,000. [00:36:15] Then we'll begin the design of the following year's street improvement project. [00:36:19] We've got $210,000 budgeted for that. [00:36:28] Those are all the items that we have, all the funding sources and any of the changes that we had. [00:36:34] The street improvement, if you choose the color, this is olive grass, considering the projects. [00:36:44] I'm not sure if it's a typo or if we just made the best deal ever, [00:36:47] but the West Pasco Press Red Cross building is shown as property acquisition for $25,000. [00:36:54] Is that the price they're giving us? [00:36:56] No, it's not. That's actually just a plug figure. [00:37:00] The last time I had a conversation with the county about the property, [00:37:03] they actually said that they would give it to us, but I thought I better put something in there. [00:37:08] I got you. [00:37:09] I just put a plug figure in there and hope that it's going to be less than, [00:37:14] since their original indication was that they would just give it to us. [00:37:20] Have you thought about when the fire station two moves, [00:37:29] have you thought about the potential usages of the old fire station after it's emptied? [00:37:36] I have, but I haven't had the opportunity to have discussion with you about it. [00:37:42] The fire station is in deplorable condition and can't be reused for any other purpose, [00:37:51] so it would need to be raised from the property. [00:37:55] I think the highest and the best use would be to sell the lots for single family construction [00:38:01] and that it would fit nicely into the neighborhood. [00:38:06] That would be my recommendation to you to consider. [00:38:11] I don't recall, but I think it was up to six or seven maybe lots that we could get out of the property [00:38:20] when I laid it out based on the zoning, so that is an option. [00:38:26] I'd prefer to have something more formal for you to look at, [00:38:31] but that's one idea that I had that would, based on some of the prices that we're getting for the lots [00:38:42] that we're selling, would yield us some revenue. [00:38:46] I'm just thinking about the talk with the county when that comes, [00:38:50] because the Red Cross must just be storing evacuation materials in that building. [00:38:56] They are. [00:39:00] That may not be the place for it, but when we took over the bank building, [00:39:06] we agreed to let the health department just stay there until they were ready to move. [00:39:14] Right. [00:39:16] So just a thought, if there's a way to not have to pay them money. [00:39:23] We had a place where we could have within our city those evacuation materials [00:39:28] that would be handy for our own residents if they were needed. [00:39:33] It's good enough for the firemen, I would imagine. [00:39:35] It would be good enough for someone who got flooded out, but maybe I'm wrong. [00:39:40] Yeah. [00:39:41] Add the lower taxes once you have five or six. [00:39:44] Yeah, it would be nice to get the lots on. [00:39:45] It's probably a good idea, again, as the long-term plan, [00:39:49] and maybe we don't have to do anything with the Red Cross, just sell them, find another place. [00:39:54] Yeah, but if we could be helpful, they're more than helpful to us during emergencies. [00:40:00] Is there more room in the bank, the old SunTrust bank? [00:40:04] There is room, but I don't like the idea of having people go in there [00:40:09] and then there's other people's stuff in there [00:40:12] because we don't provide any security or anything like that. [00:40:17] That's our other source of money when we make that project work [00:40:21] The orchestra is the only one in there now, right? [00:40:24] There's more than one tenant in there now, yes. [00:40:30] I just remembered the orchestra. [00:40:33] Yeah, we have the theater in there now as well, don't we, Robert? [00:40:37] The health building. I think we've got Toys for Tots. [00:40:40] Oh, yeah, we have Toys for Tots in there now. [00:40:45] Okay, thank you. [00:40:46] Thank you. [00:40:48] Make sense? [00:40:50] Quick question. As far as the road paving, anything to do with an alley, [00:40:56] it's going to have to go to the residents and be assessed whether or not they want to pave it or not. [00:41:02] No? [00:41:04] We didn't have any plans to assess residents for alley improvements. [00:41:10] For paving? Not for paving? [00:41:17] It's a question. I don't know. [00:41:20] We've had some discussion about different methods, [00:41:25] but we haven't really solidified a plan of how we'll go forward. [00:41:33] There are different treatments that are recommended for different alleys based on their conditions. [00:41:41] Not all of them are recommended for paving, and some of them likely wouldn't be paved. [00:41:53] And those that are, there are a number of ways that it can be paid for. [00:42:03] In some cases, in neighborhoods where there's a concentration of low and moderate income households, [00:42:16] it can be done as a direct benefit project for the area under use of some community development block grant funds. [00:42:27] And that would be my first recommendation, rather than go through an assessment process. [00:42:35] Okay, that's good. I'll just talk with you guys later about it. [00:42:41] Actually, it's a triplex, and the way the building is set up, it's on Pennsylvania. [00:42:47] You have the side street, and actually the parking lot is in the back for the building, but right up the alley. [00:42:55] So I wasn't sure how that would work. [00:42:58] Well, the alleys weren't included in the pavement management plan, and so Ms. Manz is correct. [00:43:05] That would fall under, I guess, a different direction that you guys would give us. [00:43:09] But the thought process is we've completed our surveys. [00:43:14] We're in the process of taking and clearing the alleys, and that's going to take us a little while. [00:43:22] And, of course, once we complete that, then the thought process would be is that we would come to you in a work session [00:43:31] or what have you to where we could present you with the different options that you may want to choose from. [00:43:37] Because like Ms. Manz said, all the alleys have different characteristics, [00:43:41] so there's not one broad stroke of the pen that would fit all of them. [00:43:46] Okay. [00:43:47] Also, just like our pavement program, it's going to happen over years. [00:43:52] Correct. [00:43:53] We're not going to go do all 19 in two or three years either. [00:43:58] I wouldn't think. [00:44:00] No. [00:44:01] It would surprise me if we did. [00:44:04] And there are a number of neighbors that have alleys that have reached out [00:44:13] and said that they're very much in favor of having very traditional alleys, [00:44:21] and they're interested in more space for public gatherings with their neighbors. [00:44:28] They don't mind if it's to a standard that a truck could actually get down an alley [00:44:35] if they needed to put trash out or something like that, [00:44:38] but they'd like to have planters and embellishments like that in their alley. [00:44:45] Yeah, I like that. [00:44:46] They could choose how they want their alleys. [00:44:48] Right. [00:44:49] No, that's awesome. [00:44:50] But not anytime soon. [00:44:52] And if we have a workshop, is it going to be this year? [00:44:57] It will be. [00:44:58] Okay. [00:45:00] this year. Currently, Roberts finished the survey work on all of the alleys. Now we're [00:45:07] working to get the private improvements off of public property so that we claim all of [00:45:15] our property. And then the next step will be putting together neighborhood meetings [00:45:23] and developing a plan that we can present to you on how to go forward with implementing [00:45:29] improvements. In some cases, but in others, there's great symmetry among the neighbors. [00:45:43] On the topic of the clearing, I had residents reach out off of Manatee Alley and Sable Palm [00:45:50] Alley, and both of those residents said that they were given permits for some of the private [00:45:57] development that they did abutting the alley. And it's the city's perspective that that [00:46:05] private development crossed over into what would be considered the city's on the alley. [00:46:12] If that's the case, are we putting it on residents to move that if the city permitted them to [00:46:17] have that use? Or how is the city helping that process along? Well, the city isn't helping [00:46:22] that process along. The city is going to remove those improvements because they were put up [00:46:27] on public property. Just because a permit was issued doesn't mean that the permit information [00:46:36] that was submitted was accurate or that the property owner put it up in the correct location [00:46:43] on the property. Our survey, though, verifies that the public improvement or that the private [00:46:51] improvements were put up on public property. That survey has been shared with that property [00:46:57] owner on several occasions. There was one off of, I'll get you their information, Manatee [00:47:04] Alley as well, not just Montana. I'm not familiar with that one. Share that one with us so we [00:47:11] can look at it and make sure. Okay. Just in case. Okay. And which surveys being used, [00:47:19] which ones being shown, is it different ones depending on the area or is it for that specific [00:47:23] resident? We have had that one, that particular resident, the Malik survey, drawn and verified. [00:47:32] Abbott? It's Abbott-Spontana. Yeah, Abbott-Malik. Oh, okay. Yeah, both. It's the same person. [00:47:42] So, we've all heard about it and this one was a lot of discussion, you'll remember, [00:47:51] back when we first talked about it and the advice was given that we stop the alley around [00:47:57] Delaware because it's a dead end. And so, my sense is we should still determine whether [00:48:04] or not, if that alley goes all the way to the dead end and behind that person's house, [00:48:11] it's like you can't have your cake and eat it too, so. You can open a can of worms if [00:48:16] you give one neighbor a break and not... Well, it's not one neighbor a break, it's the advice [00:48:22] that we had from Public Works in cases where we didn't have any ability of use or transit [00:48:27] from that. So, if the party doesn't want to use the alley and they're at the end, the property [00:48:34] owner on the other side is going to be affected, so you have to have the both agree and apparently [00:48:39] they don't agree on the outcome of that, from what I understand. Yeah, and property owners, [00:48:45] the one that bought the property from you? Yeah, my old house was three and a half lots. And so, [00:48:50] if that individual who has a pool wanted to ride his golf cart out through that alley to come back [00:48:57] into the town, he doesn't have to go off of that last lot. He doesn't even have to go off the [00:49:04] second lot. All he has to do is get out and onto the alley. So, if the folks on Montana, because [00:49:13] we have vacated, we've vacated for Farentino, we've vacated for people here and there where [00:49:18] alleys were not being used in the past. So, if it's not going to be used for transit and they [00:49:24] don't want it, the other option is to say, okay, half of that is yours. And in some cases, people [00:49:29] say, I don't want it because my taxes will go up. So, you can't have both. If we don't need it, [00:49:35] we have to give it half to both sides, right? That's correct. Do you recall, we did come to [00:49:41] you and we presented you a list of the alleys and council's direction was that we take and we [00:49:48] reclaim our alleys and not vacate. And then the environmental committee did a review and they [00:49:55] presented you all with the recommendation that we retain the alleys. So, I mean, it can't change [00:50:01] if you all desire to change it, but that's what we've been going off of. I understand. That's why [00:50:06] I'm bringing it back up to say, you initially recommended that we could stop that alley.

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