Council rejected a land use change from commercial to light industrial at 6727 Trouble Creek Rd. (Ordinance 2024-2288) and advanced indoor storage rules for C-2 zoning.
24 items on the agenda · 15 decisions recorded
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- 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
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Pledge of Allegiance
The Council recited the Pledge of Allegiance and observed a moment of silence.
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[00:00:26] Please stand for the pledge in a moment of silence. [00:00:30] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Moment of Silence
Moment of Silence.
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[00:00:44] Thank you.
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Approval of April 2, 2024 Regular Meeting Minutes
approvedCouncil approved the minutes from the April 2, 2024 regular meeting.
- motion:Motion to approve the April 2, 2024 regular meeting minutes. (passed)
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[00:00:52] Any approval of the April 2nd, 2024 regular meeting minutes? [00:00:57] Move to approve. [00:00:58] Second. [00:00:59] All those in favor? [00:01:00] Aye.
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Oath of Office - Bertell Butler, IV
Bertell Butler, IV was administered the oath of office as a Councilmember of the City of New Port Richey by Judy, and was welcomed along with his family.
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[00:01:02] Mr. Butler, I think Judy would like to see you at the podium. [00:01:16] Thank you. [00:01:49] Do you hereby solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution and laws of the United States, and the Constitution and laws of the State of Florida. [00:02:04] I further swear or affirm that I will, in all respects, observe the provisions of the Charter and ordinances of the City of New Port Richey, and will faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of Councilmember of said City, to the best of my ability. [00:02:30] Thank you, Judy. [00:02:43] Not at all. [00:03:12] Come on in. [00:03:28] And then this one, this is the city one right here. [00:03:32] She's got the best looking girl right there. [00:03:37] All right. [00:03:38] And then, Golf Family, if you want to come around. [00:03:45] Golf Family, you adopted me, you got to come too. [00:03:50] Do you want us to go somewhere? [00:03:51] No, please. [00:03:52] Please. [00:03:54] I know. [00:03:58] Uh-oh. [00:04:00] We're in trouble now. [00:04:28] Thank you. [00:04:41] It's the mother, I take it. [00:04:47] Please. [00:04:55] Welcome. [00:05:04] How does it feel?
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Proclamation - National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week
approvedThe Mayor read a proclamation declaring April 14–20, 2024 as National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week in New Port Richey, recognizing the vital role of police department dispatchers. The Police Chief introduced staff and the dispatch supervisor accepted the recognition.
- direction:Mayor proclaimed April 14–20, 2024 as National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week in the City of New Port Richey. (passed)
New Port Richey Police Department Emergency Communications CenterChopper DavisLatonaPaschkelliReese WaymeyerNational Public Safety Telecommunicators Week▶ Jump to 5:05 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:05:05] Feels good. [00:05:06] This is a proclamation for the National Public Safety Telecommunications Week. [00:05:11] Please. [00:05:12] I can't hear you. [00:05:15] This is a proclamation of the Office of the Mayor of the City of New Port Richey. [00:05:18] Whereas emergencies can occur at any time that require police, fire, or emergency medical services, and whereas when an emergency occurs, the prompt response of police officers and firefighters is critical to the protection of life and preservation of property. [00:05:33] And whereas the safety of our police officers and firefighters is dependent upon the quality and accuracy of information obtained from citizens who telephone the City of New Port Richey Police Department Emergency Communications Center. [00:05:46] And whereas public safety telecommunicators are the first and most critical contact our citizens have with emergency services. [00:05:55] And whereas public safety telecommunicators are the single vital link for our police officers and firefighters by monitoring their activities by radio, providing them information, ensuring their safety. [00:06:07] And whereas public safety telecommunicators of the City of New Port Richey Police Department have contributed substantially to the apprehension of criminals, suppression of fires, and treatment of patients. [00:06:17] And now, therefore, I, Chopper Davis, Mayor of the City of New Port Richey, do hereby proclaim the week of April 14, 2024 through April 20, 2024 as National Public Safety Telecommunications Week in the City of New Port Richey and extend appreciation to our public safety telecommunicators and to all the public safety telecommunicators for the vital services they perform and their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent. [00:06:45] I just want to say one thing. [00:06:46] This is some of the first line of help that you get in the community before you actually see the officers or the fire department on your scene. [00:06:55] It's telecommunications people are real important and you're reaching out and contacting them and giving as much information as you possibly can so you can get the help you need at your home. [00:07:05] You want to introduce this gentleman? [00:07:07] If you don't mind, I will. [00:07:09] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [00:07:10] Thank you, Mayor. [00:07:14] Thank you. [00:07:35] Thank you, Mayor, council members. [00:07:37] What was said in the proclamation is exactly true. [00:07:39] Telecommunicators are extremely vital to us. [00:07:42] They are the link. [00:07:43] Last night, we recognized Telecommunicators Week by paying tribute to the heroes behind the scenes who work to ensure the safety and well-being of our communities. [00:07:52] These dispatchers work tirelessly, shift work. [00:07:56] They deal with crisis. [00:07:57] They deal with all kinds of calls coming in. [00:08:00] Telecommunicators, especially those in the New Port Richey Police Department, are the unsung heroes who answer calls for help, provide critical information, and dispatch the necessary assistance during times of crisis. [00:08:12] They remain calm under pressure, offer reassuring those in distress, and make split-second decisions. [00:08:19] That can mean the difference between life and death, and I've experienced this in my career, unfortunately. [00:08:24] Their commitment to public safety is unwavering. [00:08:26] Their dedication unmatched day in and day out. [00:08:29] They work long hours, often in high-stress environments, to ensure that help is just a phone call away. [00:08:35] To the telecommunicators of the New Port Richey Police Department, we thank you for your service, for your sacrifice, and your unwavering commitment to keeping our community safe. [00:08:44] And tonight, I have Deputy Chief Latona next to me, and Lieutenant Paschkelli, who oversees our communications center. [00:08:50] And this is Reese Waymeyer, who is our dispatch supervisor. [00:08:55] And we're really proud of everything you guys do, Reese, and the unit, and what they bring to the agency, and how they serve the community. [00:09:02] Do you want to say a couple things? [00:09:05] Thank you. [00:09:07] I think Chief summed it up really well. [00:09:09] I really appreciate the council recognizing us. [00:09:11] A lot of times we are just behind the scenes, but it's really nice just to know that we are seen, we are out there. [00:09:17] Thank you. [00:09:19] Thank you. [00:09:21] Thank you. [00:09:44] Thank you.
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Proclamation - Volunteer Recognition Day (By Title Only)
A proclamation for Volunteer Recognition Day was presented by title only and will be formally handled at the event itself.
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[00:09:48] We have another proclamation. [00:09:49] It's on Volunteer Recognition Day. [00:09:51] It's by title only. [00:09:52] It will be handled at the event itself. [00:09:55] Box Pop is next on the list.
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Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval
approvedon consentCouncil moved and approved the Purchases/Payments item by a 4-0 vote with no discussion.
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[00:23:13] Move to approve. Do we have a second? I'll second. [00:23:17] Do we have any comments? All right all those in favor signify by aye. Aye. [00:23:24] Those opposed? So we have a forward zip vote. Okay public reading of ordinance. First reading of ordinance 2024-2288 land use amendment to 6727 Trouble Creek Road.
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Cultural Affairs Committee Meeting Minutes - February 2024
approvedon consentCouncil approved the Cultural Affairs Committee Meeting Minutes from February 2024 on a unanimous voice vote.
- motion:Motion to approve the Cultural Affairs Committee Meeting Minutes from February 2024. (passed)
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[00:23:13] Move to approve. Do we have a second? I'll second. [00:23:17] Do we have any comments? All right all those in favor signify by aye. Aye. [00:23:24] Those opposed? So we have a forward zip vote. Okay public reading of ordinance. First reading of ordinance 2024-2288 land use amendment to 6727 Trouble Creek Road.
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Library Advisory Board Minutes - February 2024
approvedon consentCouncil approved the Library Advisory Board minutes from February 2024 on a 4-0 vote.
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[00:23:13] Move to approve. Do we have a second? I'll second. [00:23:17] Do we have any comments? All right all those in favor signify by aye. Aye. [00:23:24] Those opposed? So we have a forward zip vote. Okay public reading of ordinance. First reading of ordinance 2024-2288 land use amendment to 6727 Trouble Creek Road.
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2288: Land Use Amendment for 6727 Trouble Creek Rd.
deniedCouncil considered first reading of Ordinance 2024-2288, a small-scale future land use amendment for 6727 Trouble Creek Road (3.76 acres) from general commercial to light industrial. After presentations from staff (recommending denial) and the applicant's representative, and discussion regarding spot zoning concerns and compatibility with surrounding residential areas, the motion to approve failed.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2288
- motion:Motion to approve the land use amendment from general commercial to light industrial for 6727 Trouble Creek Road. (failed)
6727 Trouble Creek RoadDiana BurnsJudyLisa AlgierMatt MurphyMr. PressmanRobert BurnsComprehensive PlanFlorida Statute 163.3161 (Growth Management Act)Land Development Review Board recommendation of denialOrdinance No. 2024-2288Spot zoning▶ Jump to 23:40 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:23:40] Is the representative here? We just want to ask if you would want to, because you need a three person vote and since Matt Murphy isn't here we were wondering if you would want to table this so you can have the full. [00:23:59] I see a member missing so that would require of the three to require a vote of three to one or would it be? It could be four zip but I'm just saying do you want the full council because you need three votes. I'm just asking. [00:24:12] I understand. In different jurisdictions they count the votes differently so I'm asking with four members we would be required three votes correct? Well if it's two-two then it was going to get tabled anyhow. [00:24:24] Let me check real quick. Okay. [00:24:34] Mayor, if I may, did we advise them that we would have a council member not present? No they get to decide now whether they want to continue or whether we want to wait. [00:24:47] We didn't do a notification beforehand? Did we know if there would be an absence? I didn't hear the discussion, I'm sorry. [00:24:53] They were just wondering if you people knew. Did you get a notice beforehand that there would be a council member absent? No. Okay. [00:25:01] But I think we'll proceed. Okay. [00:25:05] This is ordinance number 2024-2288, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, providing for a small-scale amendment of the future land use map of the City's adopted comprehensive plan, providing for a change in the land use designation for approximately 3.76 acres of property generally located on Trouble Creek Road and Voorhees Road, as shown on the map attached here to as Exhibit A and legally described herein, providing for the amendment of the land use designation for said property from general commercial to light industrial. [00:25:34] Providing for complex severability and an effective date. [00:25:37] Do we have any public comment? [00:25:41] Okay, the owner of the property, would you like to come and speak? [00:25:47] Mr. Pressman is the representative for the owner of the property, but both Mr. Burns and Robert and Diana are both present this evening as well to represent the case. [00:26:03] And we have a PowerPoint presentation as well, which we would like to have an opportunity to present, and Ms. Algier is all prepared to do so. [00:26:15] Go ahead, Lisa. [00:26:31] Yes, ma'am. [00:26:33] This is land use amendment for 6727 Trouble Creek Road. [00:26:38] Statement of facts, the owner is Robert and Diana L. Burns. [00:26:43] The acreage is 3.76 acres. [00:26:46] The zoning is mixed on this property. [00:26:49] It is C2 and multifamily 30. [00:26:52] The future land use is general commercial, which is what we'll be discussing with this case. [00:26:58] Existing use is office. [00:27:02] The request is to amend the future land use map from general commercial to light industrial. [00:27:11] Location of the property is at the northeast corner of Trouble Creek Road and Voorhees Road. [00:27:27] And the future land use map subject property is located here. [00:27:34] It is general commercial. [00:27:36] And surrounding the property is abutting county properties, so you'll see a mix of county land use and city land use. [00:27:49] And it's predominantly residential in all the areas surrounding this. [00:27:55] So the future intent is for everything to go residential. [00:27:59] The only commercial is at this intersection, which is typical to have commercials supporting your neighborhoods at your main intersections. [00:28:14] So we follow the state statute, 163.3161, and this is part of the Growth Management Act with the state of Florida. [00:28:24] It does require local governments to adopt a comprehensive plan. [00:28:29] And all developments must be in conformity with the comprehensive plan. [00:28:36] In the city's comprehensive plan, priority is given to residential areas. [00:28:44] One of the policies is that all residential areas should be protected from the encroachment of incompatible activities. [00:28:51] And the same with other activities, they should also be protected from encroachment. [00:28:58] The example being you wouldn't want to take the residential to the nuisance. [00:29:04] Whereas in this case with industrial, it can be bringing the nuisance to the residential area. [00:29:13] Other policies addressing the industrial land uses is that they should be located where they're compatible with the surrounding land uses. [00:29:23] And also you want to locate your industrial land uses where they're complementary to the other businesses and industrial uses in the same area. [00:29:36] The future land use map for the entire city, at the northern end, this is where your industrial district is located. [00:29:47] This is along Congress and Orchid Lake Road. [00:29:53] The subject property is at the southern end at Trouble Creek. [00:30:00] Creek and Voorhees. And you'll see there are no other industrial land uses in the area, [00:30:06] which, if approved, would create spot land use. [00:30:14] When you go out to Congress and Orchid Lake Road, this is just some examples of the industrial [00:30:23] areas that you'll see. This is some outdoor storage of heavy equipment. [00:30:30] You'll see warehousing, you'll see adult entertainment businesses, [00:30:37] and you'll see more warehousing and distribution type businesses [00:30:43] where there's lots of heavy equipment, lots of heavy traffic. [00:30:50] The Land Development Review Board did review this case. They held a public hearing [00:30:55] and they found that the lot industrial land use is incompatible with the surrounding commercial [00:31:01] and residential land uses and that it is inconsistent with the goals and priorities [00:31:07] of the comprehensive plan. Therefore, they recommend denial of the land use amendment [00:31:12] from general commercial to lot industrial. That completes the staff report. [00:31:19] Would you like to make a presentation? [00:31:21] Yes, sir. Yes, Mr. Mayor, and we do have a PowerPoint. [00:31:36] Mr. Mayor, if I may ask as the applicant, may I have more than three minutes? [00:31:39] May I have five minutes? [00:31:40] No, you can't. Yes, you can. [00:31:43] There's no time. [00:31:43] There's no time limit on this at all. [00:31:45] Well, then we'll take our time, we'll relax, have a cup of coffee. [00:31:48] I could go to four. [00:31:51] No, you have the time. This has nothing to do with box pop at all. [00:31:55] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Councilmembers, and congratulations to the new Councilmember. [00:32:00] This is the future land use amendment, general commercial, lot industrial. [00:32:04] There's also a component for rezoning and a component for conditional use. [00:32:08] Your staff has pointed out the location for you, which is located at the corner of Voorhees [00:32:13] and Trouble Creek. This is an aerial of the site, and what you may see right away [00:32:19] is you may see a lot of intensity directly across the street. [00:32:24] So the existing use is a pressure wash business. Proposed use is outdoor storage of vehicles and [00:32:29] equipment, which is very quiet, low trips, no odors, no infrastructure. [00:32:34] Mr. and Mrs. Berner are here. They're the property owners. [00:32:37] They're longtime New Port Richey citizens. [00:32:40] So when you look at the site immediately, you'll see the site in the center. [00:32:43] Now, to the north, different than what your staff said, with all due respect to your staff, [00:32:48] is zone C2, commercial 2. That's an intensive category from the county. [00:32:53] You have wetlands on the east, so the site is completely buffered tremendously and significantly. [00:32:59] Right across the street, you'll see there's a lot of intensity, which is outdoor, [00:33:03] indoor storage, the same use that's proposed here. [00:33:05] Across the street is a parking lot for the church and vacant county property. [00:33:09] So when you look at the future land use map, what you do find is you find highway commercial. [00:33:15] A zoning map under the underlying zoning is C2 and multifamily 30. [00:33:21] The north abutting parcel, as I indicated to you, is C2 under the county. [00:33:26] So surrounding zoning is commercial, general commercial, general commercial. [00:33:32] Under those commercial categories, there's very intensive uses that would be permitted. [00:33:37] Now, directly to the west, as I showed you on the aerial, is this use, which [00:33:41] we would clearly be compatible and in cohesion with. [00:33:46] And to the north, which is C2, we would certainly be compatible and in cohesion with. [00:33:52] And as I pointed out, just to push the point again, to the entire east are national wetlands. [00:33:58] Now, interestingly, to the south is quite a distance from property line to property line [00:34:05] is 116 feet to overflow parking. [00:34:08] So that certainly is not an impact negative across the street at 116 feet, [00:34:13] which is probably more like 200 feet by the time you get to parking. [00:34:16] So we look and we propose to you that we're compatible and cohesive to the south as well. [00:34:23] Now, Voorhees Road, when you look at Voorhees Road, the predominant uses are outdoor storage. [00:34:30] Now, different to what your staff has told you, as you can clearly see from the aerial, [00:34:35] it is a very intensive industrial carried street. [00:34:40] You have the LIUs across the street, and to the north, you have a massive [00:34:44] auto salvage and storing facility, which is under county zoning. [00:34:49] So again, in difference and with respect to your staff, as I've shown you, we believe that we [00:34:55] are very compatible and very cohesion with the immediate area. [00:35:00] We're proposing along the front to increase landscaping, trees every 10 feet on center, [00:35:07] and then a continued shrub line of three feet. [00:35:10] And I'm glad to say, which I think is very important, after a number of notices, [00:35:15] there have been zero opposition. [00:35:17] There's not a single person that's come forward with any concerns or any opposition. [00:35:21] Now, when you look at your staff planning review, they note that we're incompatible [00:35:25] with residential areas. [00:35:26] And that was some of the comments from the council members. [00:35:29] So we went ahead and sat down and listened to your comments [00:35:33] about your conservative residential. [00:35:36] And what I can tell you is, when you look at our site, [00:35:44] if you could start me again, please. [00:35:46] So, when you look at our site, which is on the right, the closest residential is 648 feet away [00:35:53] through the other light industrial. [00:35:55] So we don't see really how we have residential impacts per what your staff report indicates. [00:36:01] But more importantly, like I said, we listened to your comments. [00:36:04] We're not saying that we're not compatible. [00:36:06] We're not saying that we're not compatible. [00:36:07] We're not saying that we're not compatible. [00:36:09] We're not saying that we're not compatible. [00:36:10] We're not saying that we're not compatible. [00:36:11] Per what your staff report indicates. [00:36:13] But more importantly, like I said, we listened to what the council members thought. [00:36:17] And we went out and we talked with the folks at the subdivision. [00:36:22] And what we can tell you is that they are universally, everyone we were able to get [00:36:27] a hold of, universally in support. [00:36:29] And that's the petition that's presented to you. [00:36:31] So, if you do me one more time, I keep hitting the reverse incorrectly. [00:36:39] I apologize, Mr. Mayor. [00:36:42] So, this petition brings forward to you the feedback that a number of the council members [00:36:56] had a concern of and how the residents and residential area would be in support, [00:37:01] which we can tell you that they are firmly in support. [00:37:05] And that also includes the property to the immediate north. [00:37:09] So we think we covered that pretty well. [00:37:11] One other element that we wanted to work with, [00:37:14] which we also heard comments from the council members, [00:37:16] is to look at the landscaping that's required along Voorhees. [00:37:20] So what we're proposing is one tree every 20 feet on center, where 30 feet's required. [00:37:27] So we would significantly increase the landscaping. [00:37:30] And there would be a three-foot buffer and hedge, which is required along Voorhees. [00:37:34] So, with that, we feel that we've been able to present to you a different analysis, [00:37:41] a different view than what your staff has presented with respect to them, [00:37:44] and address concerns from the council from the last hearing. [00:37:47] Happy to answer any questions you might have. [00:37:49] Do we have questions? [00:37:54] I just have one off. [00:37:55] I think when we brought this up in this table before, there was questions about [00:37:59] whether the people on the northwest side were in violation of code there. [00:38:06] The existing storage lot? [00:38:10] Right. [00:38:10] They are a non-conforming zoning use. [00:38:14] And later on in the agenda, there is an item where they are requesting to make some improvements [00:38:23] to their facility, but they are an existing non-conforming use. [00:38:28] The other property where there is outside storage is a county use, [00:38:33] and we certainly can't control what their zoning uses are. [00:38:39] So they're just going to put some landscaping in? [00:38:40] Is that the... [00:38:41] Well, that's their proposed use, but we're not at a point where we could review their site plan. [00:38:48] And we certainly haven't reviewed their site plan to see if it even works. [00:38:52] Any questions? [00:38:55] For the petition, I'm going to keep my directions towards you out of respect for your time, [00:39:00] and then questions for staff once we've made a motion. [00:39:03] That petition you filled out, I did see a statue on there, correct me if I'm wrong, [00:39:07] that was a state statue listed on there somewhere. [00:39:09] There's some language, or was that petition your... [00:39:14] Is there a way to submit that petition? [00:39:15] We can give you the original. [00:39:16] Thank you. [00:39:18] If you would give it to Judy and then... [00:39:23] And it's okay if I pass it through? [00:39:25] Is this allowed to be accepted? [00:39:26] Okay, sweet. [00:39:38] And with that petition there, was it just informally done? [00:39:42] Someone went out and knocked on doors and... [00:39:44] Okay. [00:39:44] The Burns went out and talked to neighbors, yes. [00:39:47] Mr. Mayor, if Mr. Burns may be able to make a couple of comments, please. [00:39:50] Yeah, sure. [00:39:50] Thank you. [00:39:52] Go statue. [00:39:54] Hi, I'm Robert Burns. [00:39:56] I've been a longtime resident of the city of New Port Richey. [00:40:01] I own a commercial pressure washing business, and I've operated my business out of the [00:40:07] storage yard across the street for the last 15 years, probably. [00:40:13] When this property came up for purchase, looking at the rest of the surrounding properties, [00:40:19] I assumed that we would be okay with storing vehicles outdoors. [00:40:25] And I went about it the correct way. [00:40:28] I hired a professional to make sure I didn't miss anything. [00:40:33] And I went through the traffic studies. [00:40:37] I did all the reports that were asked of me. [00:40:41] I spent a good portion of my life savings on this project. [00:40:48] And what I'm asking for is your help. [00:40:51] I'd like to park 18, that's it, 18 RVs on my lot just to pay some bills. [00:40:59] Because as of right now, it doesn't generate any, the property itself doesn't generate [00:41:04] any income. [00:41:06] So, I mean, across the street, I have 100 RVs. [00:41:12] I'm asking for 18, that's it. [00:41:15] And that's just so I can continue to pay my bills on the property. [00:41:22] Other than that, I've improved the property. [00:41:26] I've spent a lot of money putting up privacy fencing. [00:41:31] I've trimmed the trees. [00:41:33] I've done, I cut the grass once a week. [00:41:37] And there's nothing else that I can do, I don't think, to make it any more pleasing [00:41:51] to the eye than I already have done. [00:41:55] And when I look out my front, when I look out the front of my property, I'm staring [00:42:00] at a parking lot for the church. [00:42:03] Then on the right, I got my storage yard. [00:42:06] To the north of me, I'm looking at the junk yard. [00:42:09] And my neighbor, he has his commercial electrical business running out of the property just [00:42:16] north of me. [00:42:17] So I don't have any residents. [00:42:20] There's no people that are walking their dogs by my place or anything like that. [00:42:26] We have a turning lane that goes into the property. [00:42:31] I have our own turning lane off at Trouble Creek, which the other storage facility doesn't [00:42:36] have any. [00:42:39] I have two entrances, one from Trouble Creek and one from Voorhees for easy access to [00:42:45] get in and out. [00:42:47] And like I said, I'm only looking to park 18 RVs and they wouldn't be in and out every [00:42:54] day. [00:42:54] It'd be pretty low traffic compared to having like indoor storage or something like that [00:43:03] where you have multiple cars in and out of the property every day. [00:43:08] Like across the street from us, there's cars in and out every day. [00:43:12] But I just, I'm here to ask for your help and that's all I have. [00:43:19] I'm hoping maybe that after looking at the aerial photos, you can see clearly that it's [00:43:28] not residential. [00:43:30] Common sense shows that they're using that whole street for what I'm asking to do the [00:43:40] correct way. [00:43:42] I'm asking, the only reason I'm asking for the change to light industrial is because [00:43:49] that's the only way it's worded that I can store vehicles outside. [00:43:56] So everything else around me isn't light industrial zone, but everybody's storing [00:44:03] their vehicles. [00:44:04] So I'm just here to ask for somebody to take a look at this with fresh eyes and realize [00:44:13] that it's not a residential area. [00:44:16] There's not one resident that touches our property. [00:44:22] Thanks for your time. [00:44:23] I really do appreciate it. [00:44:29] Are we still in the public hearing? [00:44:31] Do we have any others that would like to come and speak on this? [00:44:35] If not, I'll bring it back to council for discussion. [00:44:41] Mr. Mayor, if I could maybe make a couple of remarks now that the public hearing is [00:44:44] closed, just to give you some guidance. [00:44:46] So you have several items on the agenda related to this particular application. [00:44:51] The first of those is the land use amendment, which is the ordinance that you're under [00:44:55] discussion with now. [00:44:57] That ordinance, as I told you, [00:45:00] you at the prior readings on this is subject to your [00:45:03] police power authority. It's a legislative decision that you will be [00:45:08] making, [00:45:09] which means that the standard that governs your decision is whether you [00:45:12] act arbitrary and capriciously. If you don't act arbitrarily and capriciously, [00:45:16] anything that you decide will be upheld [00:45:19] by the courts if there's a challenge to your decision. So you have much more [00:45:23] discretion on this first item than you do on the others. [00:45:26] The others are classic quasi-judicial matters. [00:45:29] In there, you have to make your decision based on evidence presented [00:45:33] and make a determination as to whether that evidence [00:45:36] compels a denial or an approval. It will take three votes [00:45:41] in order to approve this. If you're unable to obtain three votes tonight, you're [00:45:46] going to have to move this to a later meeting. [00:45:48] I do not recommend that we set these for a meeting certain. [00:45:51] I recommend that we re-advertise if that occurs. So I'm just giving you that [00:45:55] advice now that we would set these again [00:45:58] for a subsequent meeting. It would be probably a month out [00:46:01] and we would re-advertise those. I'm not comfortable with setting [00:46:04] these for a date certain as [00:46:06] authorized by state law. If you decide [00:46:09] if the vote on this motion or this ordinance [00:46:13] is against it, if you get three votes against it, [00:46:16] that ends all of the discussion on this item [00:46:19] and the next two items are no longer necessary to be read [00:46:23] and considered. There will be no second reading [00:46:26] on this item if you vote it down tonight. [00:46:29] If you do proceed with an approval with three votes to approve this [00:46:34] ordinance, then you will consider the next and the next after. [00:46:37] If you approve the first ordinance, this land use ordinance, [00:46:42] you begin to shrink your discretion as to the rest of them. [00:46:46] You are making a decision that's based on land use plan, which is a future plan. [00:46:50] You're not making a decision specifically on this [00:46:54] particular property. You are allowing all the industrial uses. [00:46:57] I think you should take into consideration [00:47:00] whether this does constitute spot zoning [00:47:03] because there are no other industrial uses in that area, [00:47:07] land uses, and you should not consider [00:47:10] the non-conforming uses in the area as a basis to [00:47:14] allow a land use change to something that would be otherwise incompatible. [00:47:18] You should also note for the record that the property south of this is all [00:47:23] residential. There's a large [00:47:24] section of residential, so land use I'm talking about, [00:47:28] regardless of the current use, and I'm just letting you know that. [00:47:32] You have the discretion to approve it and or deny it. [00:47:36] It's up to you completely, but I'm just trying to make sure that you have looked [00:47:39] at all these facts, and I'll be glad to answer any questions. [00:47:41] Okay, I'm going to make a motion that we approve the request [00:47:46] for the land use amendment. Let's see if I can get a second. [00:47:49] I will second for the sake of this conversation. [00:47:52] That's all I want, was the chance to have the discussion on it, [00:47:55] and I fully understand what has been laid out, [00:47:58] but a few things that I would like to maybe [00:48:04] bring up that I've heard that don't seem to be consistent with what we've seen. [00:48:11] Recognizing this is a land use motion and it's not a zoning motion, [00:48:16] but there were some comments made, first of all, [00:48:19] to the intent of the Comprehensive Plan, [00:48:24] the comment that existing residential [00:48:27] is protected from encroachment, and that was brought up [00:48:31] and read to us, so in my [00:48:34] review of that comment related to [00:48:37] the land use change request, [00:48:42] two things to say. One, the county's land all around us [00:48:46] has a lot of commercial property designations, [00:48:51] and so it could be our intent until the cows come home [00:48:54] as to what we want that neighborhood to look like, [00:48:56] but we're only a piece of it. We're a sawtooth of it, [00:49:00] and the reality is that Trouble Creek Road, [00:49:03] driving from Highway 19 all the way to Little Road, [00:49:07] is an example of many of these kinds of properties along that road, [00:49:11] so from a standpoint of encroachment [00:49:16] and land uses, [00:49:19] I have to say that I'm not convinced [00:49:24] by the staff's recommendation on that. [00:49:27] The term spot zoning is a zoning comment, [00:49:32] so I'm being warned not to open up the dialogue of land use [00:49:38] for fear of spot zoning when we have the opportunity perhaps to do conditions on [00:49:43] zonings, [00:49:44] which is a whole other discussion. [00:49:47] That's why I make the motion beyond it. [00:49:50] And then I think, you know, [00:49:53] finally, to be [00:49:56] so uncomfortably presented [00:49:59] with a first ordinance of an adjacent property [00:50:03] requesting with a much more aggressive use [00:50:08] has been presented pre-existing. [00:50:13] For us to have an intent to not allow that, [00:50:17] and now find ourselves in just a few minutes, if we deny this, [00:50:21] being asked to approve the person who's the landlord of the individual [00:50:26] to whom maybe 13 mobile, you know, [00:50:30] travel vehicles will move [00:50:34] and could potentially lose rent puts me in a very uncomfortable position. [00:50:38] So as far as I can see it, we might have to face the music that this [00:50:43] Trouble Creek Road corridor, without the residents [00:50:47] concerned or the encroachment issue being [00:50:50] an issue to me. We might ought to show an example [00:50:55] of how we can help to have these kinds of properties have a buffer, [00:51:00] have trees, have right access. [00:51:03] And Voorhees Road, with the commercial property existing right behind it, [00:51:07] and a junkyard, it's hard to look at that picture [00:51:11] and imagine that the intent, which I agree with, of our land use [00:51:15] is ever going to be activated at that site. So for those reasons, [00:51:20] you know, I'm for this motion. [00:51:23] All right, so when I poured through this, it seemed like [00:51:27] the arguments that were presented all stem back to that spot zoning issue. [00:51:31] The current zoning creates an issue where [00:51:34] if you are trying to compare this to the future residential use, [00:51:38] I would agree that there is some incompatibility. [00:51:42] However, the current use [00:51:45] and the non-conforming use adjacent in the county [00:51:48] zoning presents to me compatibility. And where there isn't compatibility, [00:51:53] there is a buffer. So please, if you would, [00:51:56] city staff, can you provide [00:52:00] your rationale behind the spot zoning issue and [00:52:03] what there are ways to mitigate that? Because that's where [00:52:06] I see the least amount of clarity, where we keep going back to [00:52:10] this is, you know, the future planned residential that is not already there [00:52:15] would be incompatible. So what's with the spot zoning? If you could clarify that, [00:52:19] educate us a little bit. [00:52:20] Yes, I can just address it briefly. It's really, [00:52:24] to call it spot zoning, it's also spot land using because [00:52:27] when that term was created, there was no such thing as land use. [00:52:31] Land use is a creature that's grown out of zoning. So they're all the same. [00:52:35] It's basically the idea that you don't put something [00:52:37] that's intense in an un-intense [00:52:41] area, or vice versa. You don't put a housing community in the middle of an [00:52:45] industrial area. So [00:52:46] that's all it is. It's really up to you. [00:52:49] You should, I think, take into account what the plan provides, [00:52:52] but you're also the masters of the plan. So you get to decide if you don't think [00:52:56] the plan [00:52:57] is appropriate, and you think maybe this is the beginning of an industrial area. [00:53:01] You know, it has to start somewhere, unless you do the whole area at once. [00:53:05] So you could make that case if you wanted to, [00:53:08] but I'm just trying to make sure you understand that you're letting something [00:53:11] in the middle of this area [00:53:12] that is surrounded by commercial residential without industrial around it. [00:53:16] So you would probably want to have a broader view of how you want that area [00:53:20] to become. [00:53:21] And that was my follow-up question. Do we know what percentage of [00:53:25] real, non-conforming industrial we have in that area versus, say, [00:53:30] the residential that's there, and what is planned for the future? [00:53:33] Is there a way to estimate what would be necessary to, because [00:53:37] we're talking about an imaginary zone that does not exist, but will [00:53:40] exist in part, and will exist more in the future. [00:53:44] But what zone do we need to break out of where this is no longer spot zoning? [00:53:51] Can you help answer that one? [00:53:52] I can try. [00:53:53] Okay. [00:53:55] Without having analyzed this as deeply as I would have liked to, [00:54:04] I have to say that I would not be in favor of rezoning it [00:54:11] to a industrial use. [00:54:16] I am very sensitive, though, to the situation that the burns are in, [00:54:26] and to what they want to achieve on their property. [00:54:29] And I think that there are probably some other ways that we could get them there. [00:54:35] And it would be through amending another section of the zoning order. [00:54:46] And to allow for some type of a conditional use with conditions [00:54:52] attached to it, to allow you to approve this type of a use [00:55:00] in a general commercial designation with the city attorney's approval. [00:55:05] So, yeah, so what the city manager is suggesting is that there might be another way [00:55:17] to get them to where they want to be if you're in favor of looking at the development [00:55:23] and you think the development would be compatible, without opening up the land use plan to [00:55:28] industrial uses on that site, and without having to proceed down that road. [00:55:33] And if that's an avenue that you would like to review, and I would like to correct one thing, [00:55:39] the conditional use discussion that's coming up in item D of the agenda, [00:55:44] that's an ordinance amendment to create that conditional use within that particular zoning district, [00:55:50] the C2 zoning district. So it is not site-specific to that specific site that's adjacent, [00:55:57] but they would be available, they would have the availability of that. [00:56:02] And that's clear, you're not voting tonight on whether the site over there can do that. [00:56:07] But yes, if you thought that the city manager's suggestion is that maybe we should look at another way [00:56:12] to create a conditional use, you would have a measure of control over the property, [00:56:17] you'd be able to require things that would make it more compatible with the surrounding areas, [00:56:22] including any future residential that might be developed to the south. [00:56:27] And if that's something that this council would like to do, [00:56:32] you can vote down this particular measure and instruct us to come back to you with something of that nature [00:56:37] that we could create. [00:56:42] That's exactly where I'd like to go, because I think these people have a great idea and they're going to be there, [00:56:47] but some multimillionaire can come and buy them out in a second and just change it to industrial, [00:56:52] but your intent is 100 percent, I'm behind that 100 percent, [00:56:57] but it's just the possibility of something happening there, but you couldn't refuse the dollars. [00:57:02] Well, we can't control what the county's going to do around it, [00:57:07] but if we can control at least the conditional use of this property, I think that would be a better way to go. [00:57:12] We can control it a little bit better, and just to be able to make sure that it doesn't get out of hand over there. [00:57:17] As the maker of the motion, I'd like to suggest that perhaps if it is all right with the petitioners, [00:57:24] that I would ask if we could place this meeting to the end of the meeting tonight [00:57:31] so that they could have some time to consider and give us some feedback, [00:57:37] because I don't want to do it now under a motion. [00:57:42] By the motion at this point, we don't have everybody here, that was part of our pitch, [00:57:47] but we don't want to continue it and then have to suffer, or you suffer, the cost of re-advertising. [00:57:53] But under the good for the goose is good for the gander, I think that was my entire point, [00:57:58] considering what I understood was coming. [00:58:03] So I would like to withdraw my motion and request the chair, [00:58:08] if you could just move this item along to give the petitioners some time for you all to talk privately, [00:58:15] unless you're already prepared. [00:58:22] I'm going to withdraw my motion. [00:58:28] With all due respect, we're happy to move forward with the council and your city manager in any way that's very positive, [00:58:34] but I do have to make one request. [00:58:39] As I have been doing this kind of work for 25 or 30 years as a zoning consultant, [00:58:44] whenever a city, not particularly New Port Richey, begins an ordinance change, [00:58:49] it tends to revolve and start including a lot of different elements and starts to get very expansive. [00:58:55] I would only request that we specifically look at this one particular amendment to the code [00:59:00] and that it not include any other actions or any other changes of ordinance. [00:59:06] So we keep it very specific and targeted. [00:59:11] With that, we would be happy to move forward with the city in any way that you see positive. [00:59:16] Thank you. [00:59:21] Motion to deny. [00:59:26] I'm getting some guidance here. [00:59:31] I can't commit. [00:59:36] It has to go to LDRB, but we would get the process started, expedition. [00:59:41] I know that they've been waiting and we would try to work with them to get that going, if that's what the council wants to do. [00:59:46] I'll make a motion to deny the land use change and further discussion on it. [00:59:51] I'm in a second. [01:00:00] If you want to add something, that's fine, but I think denying it is, you know, an irreversible move in forward of the advice. [01:00:12] So that's it. So they come back with the kind of direction that they're going to go back through a process, [01:00:17] the same one that whoever else is asking to take advantage of all those in favor of anything else. [01:00:23] All right. The second I just wanted to add and thank you for your good intention and I'll have the same good intention. [01:00:28] But I do. It would have to go through the same process. And so it would be a matter of going through these committees before it comes back to us. [01:00:35] And so that's why I'm moving the second to deny this in hopes that we can get that ordinance. [01:00:41] And I will state for the record that we will confine the ordinance to a specific conditional use for this zoning district that would ostensibly provide them the opportunity to apply for it and get this. [01:00:53] We're not going to it's not going to be an ordinance that covers a number of issues. [01:00:56] It's going to be that single issue. We will look forward to it. [01:00:59] Which is what you're looking for. Yes. And I just want to add, we appreciate all the due diligence that you have all done because you've done a lot of work to try to get this through. [01:01:05] So we appreciate that. And you're investing in our town. Thank you very much. [01:01:10] All those in favor. Aye. Aye. [01:01:13] 0 4 0. Thank you. Thank you, staff. [01:01:16] Thank you. So, Mr. Mayor, as a result of that vote, the items B and C no longer need to be considered. [01:01:22] OK, so the first reading of the ordinance twenty twenty four.
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2296: Amending Chapter 7 of the LDC RE: Indoor Storage in C-2 Zoning District
approvedCouncil heard the first reading of Ordinance 2024-2296, which would amend Chapter 7 of the Land Development Code to allow indoor storage as a conditional use in the C-2 general commercial zoning district, with development standards including a 5-acre minimum, architectural compatibility, buffering, a 6-foot fence/wall, and a 25% cap on outdoor storage. The motion to approve on first reading passed, with council direction to send the ordinance back to the Land Development Review Board for further input before second reading.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2296
- motion:Motion to approve Ordinance 2024-2296 on first reading as presented, with direction to send the ordinance back to the Land Development Review Board for further input before second reading. (passed)
Trouble Creek and Voorhees RoadTower StorageGeorge RomagnoliLisa AlgierSolomonC-2 General Commercial Zoning DistrictChapter 7 of the Land Development CodeLand Development Review BoardOrdinance No. 2024-2296Section 7.08.01conditional use indoor storage▶ Jump to 1:01:26 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:01:26] Twenty two. Ninety six. Amendment. Charter seven of the LDL, D.C. [01:01:32] Indoor storage and C2 zoning district. [01:01:36] This is ordinance number twenty twenty four. Twenty two. Ninety six. [01:01:39] An ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, providing for amendment of section seven point oh eight point oh one of chapter seven of the land development code pertaining to permitted uses in the C2 general commercial zoning district. [01:01:50] Providing for a conditional use to allow indoor storage, providing for development standards for say conditional use, providing for severability, providing for conflicts, providing for codification and providing an effective date. [01:02:02] As indicated by the city attorney, the request related to this agenda item is to allow for indoor storage as a conditional use in the C2 zoning district. [01:02:15] And it refers to the property that we referenced in our last discussion on an agenda item to the nonconforming outdoor storage facility, which is located at Trouble Creek and Voorhees Road. [01:02:32] And Lisa Algier has a PowerPoint presentation which will cover some details related to the ordinance that's been drafted in respect to this agenda item. [01:02:46] Thank you. [01:02:49] So indoor storage is only allowed in the lot industrial district. [01:02:56] But staff believes that when it's properly designed, it could be a benefit to residential neighborhoods. [01:03:04] People like to store their stuff. [01:03:06] And I know all of you are familiar with the outdoor storage where you see those facilities with the garage doors. [01:03:14] This is a little bit different. It's indoor. [01:03:16] A lot of times it's climate controlled. [01:03:21] What got the staff looking at this was that we do have the property that we've been discussing that is a nonconforming use. [01:03:32] This is zone C2 and the outdoor storage is it's just not allowed. [01:03:39] It's nonconforming. And the property, I don't know if it's been sold or in the process of being purchased. [01:03:49] But the new owners want to put an indoor storage facility on there. [01:03:54] And so when we took a look at their proposal, we realized that there really is an opportunity to do something with this zoning district that would provide those type of facilities for people in the neighborhood. [01:04:09] And so we looked at how we could make this possible in a C2 zoning district. [01:04:19] So the current site is called Tower Storage and there are a lot of vehicles, RVs, boats. [01:04:29] They do have some canopy structures there for some to be protected from the sun. [01:04:36] And it's just a chain link fence and everybody sees it when you drive by. [01:04:40] It's an eyesore. [01:04:45] So the proposed ordinance would allow indoor storage as a conditional use. [01:04:52] So it goes through the full process of a Land Development Review Board public hearing as well as two public hearings by you. [01:05:02] The conditional use would also have development standards so you can put conditions on them. [01:05:08] And we would require more conditions on these type of facilities. [01:05:16] So the development standards that we're looking at is that we're recommending that the minimum acreage should be five acres because these are large buildings. [01:05:26] And so we want to be sure there's sufficient space on the property to accommodate the structures. [01:05:32] We would want to see that the architectural style is compatible with the surrounding neighborhoods. [01:05:37] It needs to fit in. [01:05:39] And that we would want to require additional landscaping along the right of way. [01:05:44] So we want to screen as much as possible. [01:05:48] And that the Land Development Review Board also recommended that any outdoor storage on these sites should be limited to 25 percent. [01:06:00] And that depending on the particular location, we may require a canopy. [01:06:10] We're recommending a six-foot fence or wall surround the property. [01:06:15] Again, additional buffering. [01:06:18] And then the operation, we would not want to see businesses operate out of the units. [01:06:24] Sometimes you hear people opening up businesses in a mini warehouse. [01:06:29] We would not want to see repairs on the vehicles that are on the property. [01:06:34] And we would want to see adequate lighting. [01:06:38] And also we would not want to see them storing things that would be dangerous or obnoxious to the neighborhood. [01:06:49] So trash, toxic, explosive, flammable type items, animal carcasses or skins. [01:06:56] So I know those are things that are stored sometimes at these type of locations. [01:07:02] So those are items we would not want to see stored on site. [01:07:08] So again, this would be a conditional use. [01:07:12] There would be a lot of requirements so that we could ensure a quality development and something that would benefit a neighborhood and be an asset to the community. [01:07:26] I did pull some pictures from or just Googled of where other cities have indoor storage just to give you an idea of what some of these buildings look like. [01:07:40] And for example, this one, you know, it does have some detail to it. [01:07:46] For example, they have entryway facing their parking lot. [01:07:53] We would not want to see those type of garage doors facing the public right of way. [01:07:59] We would require them internal so that we have the nice architectural style facing the public. [01:08:08] And this is another one. [01:08:10] Again, the different styles, we would ask something that would work for our community. [01:08:18] And that completes my presentation. [01:08:21] Do we have any public comment? [01:08:32] George Romagnoli. [01:08:33] First, I got to congratulate City Manager Solomon on the last item that came before you. [01:08:40] I think the indoor storage is a great idea. [01:08:42] I think if we do that, though, I don't think we should have any outdoor storage involved with this. [01:08:48] Because the outdoor storage is what is the detriment to the view of people that are looking. [01:08:53] You know, we were looking also at the property that I know this is a citywide ordinance. [01:08:58] You know, the property to the north of there, I think it's an enclave, I believe, hopefully come into the city one day. [01:09:04] But I think really, you know, if we don't want the garages facing the public, if you do allow outdoor storage, [01:09:12] don't allow those trucks and boats and stuff to be viewable from the road. [01:09:16] You know, make it maybe behind the building as one of the conditions of the ordinance. [01:09:22] Thank you. [01:09:24] Anybody else would like to speak? [01:09:28] Seeing no one come forward, we'll bring it back for discussion. [01:09:33] Yeah, I'll move to approve. [01:09:37] But with the condition, that 25 percent, is that geographically allowed to be set on the setback? [01:09:47] Or does it have to be just 25 percent near the indoor storage? [01:09:55] It's limiting it to the entire property. [01:09:58] So the outdoor storage component is limited to 25 percent of the property. [01:10:02] Existing. [01:10:03] Right. [01:10:04] Can we take a look at that? [01:10:07] So that it has a small, if there's going to be outdoor storage associated with it, it'll be a smaller percentage. [01:10:13] It won't be the majority of the property. [01:10:16] But that's 25 percent anywhere on the property. [01:10:19] Correct. [01:10:20] I just want to look at it, because some of that property looks like it's not developed, probably wetlands maybe even. [01:10:27] So that's why I would like to see that picture again. [01:10:33] See all that in the northwest side? [01:10:36] Yeah. [01:10:38] Do we know something about that property? [01:10:42] Wetlands, there may be, I believe it's all out of the flood zone. [01:10:47] So I'm not sure on the west side. [01:10:48] Just let me finish. [01:10:49] You'll get your turn. [01:10:50] Well, just a second. [01:10:52] Yeah, so okay. [01:10:54] So anyhow, I just want to know what the situation in that part, we don't have total. [01:10:59] I don't have the total information, but I believe it's zone X. [01:11:03] I don't believe it's in the flood zone. [01:11:04] Okay. [01:11:06] Yes, go ahead. [01:11:06] Yeah, I just want to say we're being talked about an ordinance that would affect us citywide. [01:11:13] So to me, looking at this picture to accommodate this property owner is the wrong way to go. [01:11:21] So personally, we had a good advice, buffering. [01:11:26] So I would like to see us try to incorporate one zoning ordinance that's going to accommodate situations. [01:11:38] Five acres or more, I appreciate that, but when the comment was made that this is a good thing for neighbors, [01:11:45] the best thing for a neighbor is to have their RV right close to their house as close as they can get it. [01:11:50] And so now we're not going to allow the RV next to their house, [01:11:54] but we're going to allow a large commercial taxpaying property with lots of traffic, [01:12:01] which was an issue why we didn't want the poor guy with the 13. [01:12:04] So I think we could use some discussion on having a proper zoning ordinance that doesn't set on just one individual property owner, [01:12:14] because I would like to see sort of mother may eyes for ordinances. [01:12:18] These come up to us fully baked and already fully advised without any of our advice to say, [01:12:24] hey, the council wants an ordinance or the council would like an ordinance, and this is what we would like. [01:12:29] So I think we could have one ordinance that solves issues that allows us to look at both sides of the spectrum. [01:12:37] You know, does it have to be five acres? [01:12:39] That's a nice property for that kind of thing. [01:12:42] But the guy right in front of us is coming up and saying, look at the buffers and the trees. [01:12:46] And to George's point, I saw some heads nodding. [01:12:51] How is that property going to fit in that residential area and look good? [01:12:55] So I think the landscaping, those requirements are critical. [01:13:00] So because there's only four of us, I'm happy to vote yes on the first reading if that's what you want to do. [01:13:07] But I'd love to see some more thought and some input by us to try to craft a zoning that is for zoning, not for one property owner. [01:13:18] And allow for those conditions the same as the other property, I would agree with that, too. [01:13:21] And that's where I was getting at when I was talking about the 25 percent. [01:13:24] My next question would have been the five acres and then the buffering. [01:13:27] And to that end, I made a motion. [01:13:29] I didn't hear a second. [01:13:30] And so I am going to go. [01:13:32] And that's just a preliminary question. [01:13:34] And to that point, how this ordinance, because the 25 percent was presented in the board as an addition to the original writing of the ordinance. [01:13:44] And so I was really trying to get some rationale behind that, why that number was picked and what the board discussed. [01:13:51] Can I get that clarification? [01:13:52] And then perhaps we can make a motion to approve or table or excuse me, or to move. [01:13:57] I think that would have to come from staff. [01:13:59] Do you know the excuse me? [01:14:02] The Land Development Review Board did discuss allowing some limited outdoor storage and they chose 25 percent. [01:14:14] They felt that was minimal enough. [01:14:18] They didn't want to go any more than 25 percent. [01:14:22] So is your Land Development Review Board that chose that number? [01:14:27] I'll bring it back. [01:14:29] Do we have a second? [01:14:31] I'll second. [01:14:32] Do we have any further discussion? [01:14:34] Yeah. [01:14:36] To the motion, just to clarify, the motion is to approve it as presented on first reading? [01:14:41] That is the motion I made and I have no more comments as the maker. [01:14:44] So, but other comments? [01:14:47] No. [01:14:48] No, so I would just appeal that to me, I would like to present some potential changes which is common on these kinds of things. [01:15:00] to look beyond having a discussion with the Land Development Review Board about how to accommodate a single property, [01:15:07] looking at that. If they saw that property and your presentation of how that new ordinance could fit that property, [01:15:15] I would love to move the second reading of this public ordinance out a little farther [01:15:21] and ask that you send this discussion of what we think back to that board to get their feedback [01:15:27] before we go forward with the final, if that's okay with you guys. [01:15:31] I don't have any problems moving it out. [01:15:33] And if I need to amend the motion to make that happen, or is that something that you need to do from now on? [01:15:37] No, we'll accept that as the direction, if that's the direction of the council. [01:15:40] We just won't set it until they've had an opportunity to revisit it. [01:15:45] All those in favor? Aye. [01:15:48] All right, now moving on to first reading of Ordinance 2024-2287,
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2287: Amending Section 10.06 of the City Charter RE: Corporate Boundaries
approvedCouncil held first reading of Ordinance No. 2024-2287 amending Section 10.06 of the city charter to revise Exhibit A establishing city boundaries, accounting for nine additional parcels (six of which were enclaves) annexed since 2005. The motion to approve passed 4-0.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2287
- motion:Motion to approve first reading of Ordinance No. 2024-2287 amending Section 10.06 of the city charter regarding corporate boundaries. (passed)4–0
Exhibit A - city boundaries legal descriptionOrdinance No. 1743Ordinance No. 2024-2287Section 10.06 of the City Charter▶ Jump to 1:15:54 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:15:56] amending Section 10.06 of the city charter having to do with corporate boundaries. [01:16:04] This is Ordinance 2024-2287, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, [01:16:08] providing for amendment of Section 10.06 of the city charter pertaining to the boundaries of the city, [01:16:14] providing for a revised Exhibit A establishing the city boundaries pursuant to annexation of unincorporated property [01:16:20] within Pasco County, Florida, providing for conflict, severability, and an effective date. [01:16:26] There have been nine additional parcels of property, six of which were enclaves, added to the city since 2005. [01:16:36] And as indicated by the attorneys, Section 10.06 of the city charter establishes the boundaries of the city through Exhibit A. [01:16:47] And currently that is outlined as Ordinance No. 1743, which includes the full legal description of the city. [01:16:58] We are requesting that you replace Exhibit A with the attachment to the agenda item, [01:17:07] which is Ordinance No. 2024-2287, which is an amended legal description of the city, [01:17:18] which accounts for the additional nine parcels which have been added to the city since 2005 [01:17:25] and are provided to you in the final attachment to the agenda item, highlighted in red. [01:17:37] Do you have any other, anything else you're going to add? [01:17:40] Okay, do we have any public comment on this? [01:17:43] Seeing no one come forward, we'll bring it back for discussion. [01:17:47] I move to approve. [01:17:55] Do we have a second? [01:17:58] I'll second. [01:18:01] All right, up for discussion. [01:18:04] I mean, we've annexed those in, that's got to be our boundaries, I mean. [01:18:08] It's a matter of paperwork. [01:18:10] Right, it's a matter of just throwing it together. [01:18:13] I'm fine. [01:18:15] Saved my breath for the next one. [01:18:17] I have no comment. [01:18:18] I reviewed it, and I'm excited for it. [01:18:21] All those in favor, signify by aye. [01:18:23] Aye. [01:18:24] Those opposed? [01:18:25] We have four to zip. [01:18:26] We're moving on to business items.
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Board Appointment: George Romagnoli, Land Development Review Board
approvedCouncil appointed George Romagnoli to the Land Development Review Board. The original recommendation was for second alternate, but the motion was amended to appoint him as a regular (standing) member, given a current opening.
- motion:Motion to appoint George Romagnoli to the Land Development Review Board, amended to appoint him as a regular standing member rather than second alternate. (passed)4–0
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[01:18:29] Board appointment for George Romanelli, Land Development Review Board. [01:18:41] You can take this, Deb. [01:18:43] Oh, thank you. [01:18:45] I was waiting to hear you guys. [01:18:48] Mr. Romanelli has submitted an application seeking a term of office to the Land Development Review Board, [01:18:57] and the recommendation in front of you is that he serves as a second alternate member position, [01:19:06] and the term of office for the second alternate is for a three-year period of time. [01:19:14] Mr. Romanelli is well qualified for that position, and if you see fit to appoint him to the board, [01:19:24] the term of office would span through April 16th of 2027. [01:19:30] Do we have any public comment? [01:19:32] I'm bringing it back to see if anyone would come forward. [01:19:34] Move to approve. [01:19:36] I would like to make an amendment to that motion to approve. [01:19:39] If Parliamentary Inquiry, do I have to second and then make the motion, or can I make an amendment now? [01:19:45] You can second it and then ask for the motion to be amended. [01:19:48] Okay. [01:19:49] I'm going to go ahead and second, [01:19:50] and I'm going to amend to change the position of appointment from second alternate to the standing member, so full-time. [01:20:00] And there is an opening? [01:20:02] Is there an opening? [01:20:03] There is currently an opening. [01:20:04] Okay. [01:20:05] So if the maker of the motion would agree, then the motion can be amended accordingly. [01:20:09] Yeah, I'll agree. [01:20:13] The motion on the floor is to appoint him now as a regular member. [01:20:16] Okay, I'll agree. [01:20:19] Any other comments? [01:20:21] No. [01:20:22] All those in favor, signify by aye. [01:20:24] Aye. [01:20:25] Those opposed, we have a 4-0.
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Request by Richey Suncoast Theatre to Use City Facilities and Waiver of Fees
approvedCouncil approved a request from the Richey Suncoast Theatre for use of Peace Hall one night per week and use of the former Pasco County Building at 5640 Main Street for costume storage, both for up to six months with fees waived (in-kind donation of $6,600 for Peace Hall). The arrangement allows the theater to develop original content with local artists and renovate its current costume room into an educational space.
- motion:Approve use of Peace Hall one night per week and use of the former Pasco County building at 5640 Main Street for storage by Richey Suncoast Theatre for up to six months, with fees waived, subject to a city use agreement. (passed)4–1
5508 Vermont Avenue5640 Main StreetPeace HallRichey Suncoast TheatreRose's BistroAngela SaraviaCouncilman ButlerDebbie ManzDoug JonesJanine FinchJess GlassJim GundersonJudyKate ConnollyMattMike JulianChascoNPR Film FestivalPasco Pioneers projectPeace Hall front steps safety/capital improvementsin-kind donation $6,600▶ Jump to 1:20:27 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:20:27] I request the Ritchie Suncoast Theater to use the city facilities in the waiver of fees. [01:20:36] Mike? [01:20:37] Yes, Mr. Julian, can you present the agenda item? [01:20:40] Okay. [01:20:41] Thank you, City Manager Manz. [01:20:42] Good evening, Mayor and City Council, and congratulations to you again, Councilman Butler, on your appointment. [01:20:49] Thank you for the opportunity to present this agenda item on behalf of the Ritchie Suncoast Theater. [01:20:54] The purpose of this business item is twofold. [01:20:57] First, to review and consider for approval the use of Peace Hall for one night each week for a period of up to six months, [01:21:03] as well as the use of the former Pasco County building at 5640 Main Street as a storage location by the Ritchie Suncoast Theater. [01:21:13] In order to continue its current push to integrate more members of the community into the artistic endeavors of the theater [01:21:21] and to enhance the diversity of its educational and cultural offerings, [01:21:25] the Ritchie Suncoast Theater would benefit from the use of Peace Hall because there are almost two shows in rehearsal at a time, [01:21:33] and the space in the theater is at a premium. [01:21:36] There are local actors, writers, and directors who would love to develop original content to be produced at the theater. [01:21:43] The theater wants to allow the stage to be used to showcase original content, [01:21:48] but the theater does not have adequate space for those artists to meet on a regular basis to develop that content. [01:21:54] The regular use of Peace Hall as a rehearsal space would allow the Ritchie Suncoast Theater to foster the talent of those local artists [01:22:01] and integrate more members of the local community into the theater's offerings. [01:22:06] Peace Hall is not often utilized during the week, so this request can definitely be accommodated. [01:22:12] The theater is requesting to waive the rental fee for the use of Peace Hall for a period of up to six months [01:22:18] in the form of an in-kind donation from the city for the amount of $6,600 for a period of up to six months. [01:22:26] By permitting the use of Peace Hall by the Ritchie Suncoast Theater, the city would solidify its support of the theater's continued growth. [01:22:35] Additionally, the Ritchie Suncoast Theater is requesting the use of the former Pasco Building at 5640 Main Street as a temporary location [01:22:43] to be used for storage of the theater's costumes. [01:22:46] The Ritchie Suncoast Theater's building has a room where costumes are currently stored. [01:22:52] The use of the 5640 Main Street location would allow for that room to be renovated and repurposed as an educational space [01:23:01] where members of the local community could receive instruction in the arts. [01:23:06] The theater would only occupy about 1,000 square feet of the space at the location for storage of their costumes. [01:23:12] At this time, the staff recommends that the City Council approve the use of Peace Hall for one night each week [01:23:19] for a period of up to six months, as well as the use of the former Pasco County Building at 5640 Main Street [01:23:25] as a storage location by the Ritchie Suncoast Theater as submitted. [01:23:30] Mr. Mayor, I'd like to add the use of 5640 Main Street would also be for a six-month period of time [01:23:37] and it would be without any fee associated with their use of the space. [01:23:43] All right. Do we have any public comment on that? [01:23:53] Welcome to the Council. My name is Angela Saravia. I'm the current Board President of the Ritchie Suncoast Theater. [01:23:58] I'm joined today by fellow board members Janine Finch, Doug Jones, Kate Connolly, and our current Creative Director, Jess Glass. [01:24:06] I'd just like to thank the Council for all the support we've received. [01:24:09] We really feel like we have the momentum of the city behind us and in consultation with Debbie about different ways [01:24:16] that maybe the Council could assist in the work that the theater is trying to do to turn it around, [01:24:22] not just to provide more programming, but a greater diversity of programming. [01:24:27] Currently, we're putting on shows. We have people who perform regularly, as I do. [01:24:32] I'll go up and go out for a show. I've been on stage several times. [01:24:36] But oftentimes, I get excited meeting members of the community who've never been on stage before. [01:24:41] I want to share the art form with them and give them an opportunity to do something they've never done before. [01:24:46] Recently, we had Miss Judy on stage with us for our Pasco Pioneers project. [01:24:51] We put that on at Peace Hall, and it was just such a cool opportunity to see a group of people who live here locally [01:24:58] just jump in and try it for the first time. [01:25:01] In order to do that, and that's something that Jess Glass can speak to, [01:25:05] she's working hard to keep continuing to bring shows on stage. [01:25:09] We need alternate space locations to try to foster that new talent, [01:25:14] but we don't want to impact what we're currently doing to bring quality productions to our audiences [01:25:20] who have started to come to expect a really high level of professional theater from the theater. [01:25:26] The two items on the agenda today will help us do just that. [01:25:30] If we can move the costumes to that alternate location, [01:25:33] we would like to renovate the space in the upper part of the theater, if you've been there, into a classroom space. [01:25:40] It's smaller, but with a small group of students, we can show them improv. [01:25:44] We can show them theater without impacting what Jess may be trying to do on the main stage. [01:25:49] With the use of Peace Hall, we've got a few artists who are not currently in shows [01:25:54] who would like to just meet and try to create something new, [01:25:57] but without impacting what the theater is currently doing, [01:26:00] and just meeting once a week, they may be able to do that [01:26:04] and raise their profile to other members of the community who may walk by and say, [01:26:10] hey, what are you guys doing? I'd like to be involved. [01:26:12] I'm happy to answer any questions, but I thank you for your support. [01:26:18] Anybody else like to speak? [01:26:23] Why don't you sit down in the front row in case there's questions. [01:26:30] I'd like to say that Angela did a great job getting the Pioneer Women thing going. [01:26:35] I hope you all saw it. [01:26:36] It was amazing to me how she involved so many young people in that activity. [01:26:41] So I fully support that, but I have one thing to say about Peace Hall. [01:26:47] It really needs the front steps fixed. [01:26:51] We had the quilt show there, and people said, oh, I almost fell walking out, [01:26:57] because not only is it a drop right out the door, there's no sign that says [01:27:03] there's a drop right out the door, and the drop is more than one step. [01:27:08] So the steps look lovely. It was wonderful they were replaced, [01:27:13] but they really have a shortcoming in that there's no landing. [01:27:17] You walk out. As soon as you open the door, you drop down. [01:27:20] Thank you. [01:27:24] Anybody else like to speak? [01:27:26] Okay, we'll bring it back for discussion. [01:27:32] Thank you, Mr. Mayor and everybody on Council. [01:27:36] 5508 Vermont Avenue. Kate Connelly. [01:27:40] I just want to say thank you for offering this great opportunity to the theater. [01:27:44] I am a board member, and it is a wonderful gesture on behalf of the whole city [01:27:49] and hopefully the cultural community that we have growing here. [01:27:53] I did get to personally perform with Judy in the play, and it was incredible. [01:27:58] I didn't think that it would be so warm in Peace Hall, even with a very full crowd, [01:28:03] and the acoustics were pretty impressive. [01:28:05] And although it's a tight space, I think it's going to be great, [01:28:08] and we also greatly appreciate the storage to grow more educational opportunities [01:28:12] and clear the space for Jess and everybody else. [01:28:14] So thank you all. [01:28:17] Anybody else like to speak? [01:28:22] Mr. Mayor, before you entertain a motion, [01:28:23] I just want to remind you that this will require the user to sign a city use agreement. [01:28:31] So as part of the approval, you're approving that type of an agreement as well. [01:28:35] I move to approve. [01:28:37] I second. [01:28:39] Any other comment? [01:28:41] So I love all the diversity in our theater. [01:28:44] I mean, in 1980, I used to work in choreography when I was in high school at the theater, [01:28:49] so it's got a really good place in my heart, and I love the diversity. [01:28:53] I love all the different kinds of shows that we're doing now, [01:28:55] and that's the only way you can do that is to have an off-site property [01:28:58] where other people can learn while the show's going on. [01:29:01] So that's really the only way to do that. [01:29:03] So I love it. [01:29:05] Yeah, I was on the trolley last weekend [01:29:08] and met a couple who this was their second visit to New Port Richey. [01:29:13] They've lived here for years, over 10 years, and they're off of 52, [01:29:16] and they just never, I guess, imagined they could pass through New Port Richey [01:29:20] and see all we have to offer, and they cited – [01:29:23] I asked them, you know, what brought you downtown? [01:29:25] And they cited the Ritchie Suncoast Theater as what drew them here, [01:29:29] why they decided to – they saw the Keith II band before my time, [01:29:33] but they loved it, and they made me – they reminded me of that too. [01:29:39] It was before my time, and they loved it. [01:29:41] In fact, they said that's why they came back that weekend, [01:29:44] and they already have a scheduled visit with two of their friends [01:29:48] to come out again to the Ritchie Suncoast Theater. [01:29:50] And when I used to serve at Rose's Bistro across the street, [01:29:53] you can see the impact that's had. [01:29:56] I mean, they come out into the community. [01:30:00] shop downtown. Hopefully they'll start looking at homes in the community and just the diversity [01:30:05] of shows as well. There is a diversity of shows. And having worked for the rec center, [01:30:10] there is not use during the week. And so while we see this as an in-kind donation of $6,000, [01:30:16] it's actually creating a productivity for that site during the week, which is a net [01:30:22] benefit for the city long term. So thank you for coming up with this creative partnership [01:30:26] and I appreciate it. [01:30:29] Speaking of before your time, my first acting job was in 1963. I played the Good Shepherd [01:30:35] in that building at the Catholic Church. I've got a picture of it, by the way. [01:30:42] Did we recognize you? [01:30:44] You probably would recognize me. [01:30:47] I just want to say, in the years that we've been dealing with Jim Gunderson, right off [01:30:57] the bat, he always said that the theater should be an anchor in the town. And I actually [01:31:02] thought that the hotel would be the anchor. But for here, the guy that owns the hotel [01:31:06] saying that the theater should be the anchor, you know, I've kind of paid attention to that [01:31:11] since then. And I think it's really becoming an anchor. And that's what people up here [01:31:15] have said. And I only sang the National Anthem once at a Bucs game from the stands and everybody [01:31:21] left. So don't ask me to sing. [01:31:24] Mr. Mayor, before you call, because I took a pregnant pause and you jumped right in there. [01:31:30] Oh, I'm sorry. [01:31:33] So that's all right. But I wanted to also reflect on the stairs out front in the Comet [01:31:39] that was made there. Because during the Chasco, there was a lot of activity there. And the [01:31:44] broad sort of open stairs that turn the corner and have a corner edge to them, there is a [01:31:52] rail there. But if you try to go down the middle, there's no rail. So I think that [01:31:57] a little effort could be made to look at the potential capital improvements or safety improvements [01:32:03] long term. In addition to that, the floor, the original old wood floor could look incredible [01:32:14] if it was refurbished. And I know it's nice to see the old antique floor. But maybe in [01:32:19] our capital improvement discussions through the rec center, we could use something. And [01:32:25] then perhaps most importantly, some sound baffling or something when you're in there. [01:32:30] I don't know how that works from a presentation, but a little bit of hanging foam, rubber or [01:32:36] whatever they do to allow that not to be such an echo chamber might be something to think [01:32:44] about. Maybe it's curtains or whatever it is. That's not my type, but I support it. [01:32:50] I would finally say that to your point, and we've tried to do this with the theater to [01:32:54] have as much activity, to the point of the comment that it is not used, if there is interest [01:33:02] and we've given a donation for one day, I would suggest that if there's the potential [01:33:09] that there are days that are not marked off, that there's interest for whatever reason [01:33:13] that I would entertain some kind of a reduced fee or something for additional days if they're [01:33:20] not in use within two weeks. [01:33:22] If somebody has a wedding or rehearsal or an anniversary or there's a death and there's [01:33:29] some kind of an event, there's usually a little bit of time to plan for that. So I would just [01:33:36] say if we've got that facility, we could use it. Maybe we should think about it. [01:33:40] I think it's really a marketing situation. I don't think we market that well enough, [01:33:45] my personal opinion. Any other comments? Okay, all those in favor signify by aye. [01:33:51] Aye. [01:33:52] Those opposed? So we have a 4-1. 4-1, yeah, Matt's not here. [01:33:58] 4-1. [01:33:59] Good luck. [01:34:00] Okay, a Culture Affairs Committee finance request for the NPR Film Festival.
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Cultural Affairs Committee Funding Request: NPR Film Festival
approvedCouncil approved the Cultural Affairs Committee's unanimous recommendation to fund $1,225 for the debut New Port Richey Film Festival, a community-centered event led by the Library's Adult Programming Specialist in partnership with the Richey Suncoast Theater, Friends of the Library, and Library Advisory Board. Funds will purchase AV/film equipment and editing software (housed at the Library and loanable to cardholders) and hire professional videographers. The culminating event is scheduled for August 3rd at the Richey Suncoast Theater.
- motion:Motion to approve $1,225 in funding for the New Port Richey Film Festival as recommended by the Cultural Affairs Committee. (passed)4–0
Cultural Affairs CommitteeFriends of the Newport Richey LibraryLibrary Advisory BoardNewport Richey LibraryRichey Suncoast TheaterBeth FragerDebbie MannsKim BrustMrs. FeigartTomasCentennial / 100-year anniversaryCitizens AcademyNewport Richey Film FestivalOral History ProjectSpeaker's Series▶ Jump to 1:34:01 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:34:06] Sorry, I skipped over one. The request is for you to consider our recommendation to [01:34:16] support a community-centered film festival in the amount of $1,225, and Mrs. Feigart's [01:34:26] going to tell you all about it. [01:34:28] Thank you, City Manager Manns. Good evening, City Council. As City Council is aware, the [01:34:34] Cultural Affairs Committee supports activities, exhibits, and performance that promote the [01:34:40] community's opportunities to learn about, explore, and participate in enriching activities [01:34:47] that aid in the appreciation and understanding of cultural, historical, and the fine arts. [01:34:53] After listening to a presentation about a proposed New Port Richey Film Festival and [01:34:58] offering suggestions at a January 17th meeting, the Committee vetted the updated initiative [01:35:06] at its March 20th meeting, at which time they unanimously agreed to recommend that City [01:35:15] Council provide funding support in the amount of $1,225 to assist with the production, implementation, [01:35:23] and related costs for the debut of this community-centered original film festival. [01:35:31] Originally proposed by the Library's Adult Programming Specialist, the goals of the film [01:35:36] festival are multifaceted and include highlighting the City's rich history and landmarks, building [01:35:43] excitement about the approaching centennial, and providing technical and fine arts learning [01:35:49] opportunities in the forms of hand-on technical and fine arts learning opportunities with [01:36:02] professional filmmakers and week-long workshops in which participants of various ages learn [01:36:09] about the proper use of basic AV recording equipment, film editing, and storyboarding [01:36:15] software. As reflected in the attachment, the proposal for the New Port Richey Film [01:36:21] Festival also includes a contest in which entries will be considered by a panel of judges [01:36:28] and announced at a culminating event for the public, a film festival, at the Ritchie Suncoast [01:36:34] Theater on August 3rd. If approved, the funds will be used to hire professional videographers [01:36:42] for the film editing presentations and to purchase video and film equipment and editing [01:36:50] software for the public to use, if necessary, to create films. This equipment will be housed [01:36:57] at the Library and loanable to those with Library cards in good standing. Following [01:37:03] this event, the equipment will continue to be available for the public to use in the [01:37:08] implementation of other initiatives, such as an oral history project with interviews [01:37:14] of local community stakeholders. I will note that in addition to working with the Ritchie [01:37:19] Suncoast Theater, the Friends of the New Port Richey Library Organization and individual [01:37:26] members of the Library Advisory Board have also offered funding support for some of the [01:37:33] film festival categories. Staff recommends that the Board approve the Cultural Affairs [01:37:40] Committee's unanimous funding recommendation for the purchase of the AV equipment, video [01:37:46] editing, storyboarding software, and presentations for the implementation of the New Port Richey [01:37:55] Film Festival. Approval for this request would impose direct costs of $1,225. The City [01:38:05] should not anticipate recurring equipment or software licensing costs associated with [01:38:15] the aforementioned equipment. Should the community's interest and engagement with this festival [01:38:21] warrant further investigation into expanding the event and workshops into an annual event, [01:38:30] staff will identify and update estimated costs as appropriate and include this information [01:38:37] as it relates to programming and equipment in the Library's annual budgeting process [01:38:43] and request. Members of the Cultural Affairs Committee, including the Chairperson, are [01:38:50] in attendance at tonight's meeting, and they, or I, am available if you have any further [01:38:59] questions. [01:39:15] Good evening City Council, Mayor. My name is Kim Brust. I'm on this Cultural Arts Committee [01:39:21] and very excited about this film festival for a number of reasons. We are working with [01:39:29] the theater, which kind of meets a lot of our goals to work with other groups within [01:39:34] the City. The Library as well. Tomas has put together a program for the film festival that [01:39:41] includes all ages. We're really excited to have this happen. We have also been working [01:39:48] on a speaker's series, and the speaker that we set up for the film festival has agreed [01:39:57] to give out the awards and to make his presentation on the same day, and he is a filmmaker. So [01:40:05] very excited about that. So hopefully it will become an annual event. Thank you. [01:40:13] Anybody else like to speak? [01:40:20] Hello, Beth Frager, also on the Cultural Arts Committee, Cultural Affairs Committee. And [01:40:36] yes, we think this is a really cool idea. It's something different that we have not [01:40:42] done before. We used to have a film festival put on by the Ritchie Suncoast Theater, so [01:40:50] we're hoping this is going to grow with all the entities to being something that's bigger [01:40:56] and better as the years go on. So we appreciate your consideration. Thank you. [01:41:04] Anybody else like to speak? Seeing no one else, we'll come back for discussion and vote. [01:41:11] Move to approve. [01:41:13] All right, I'll second. [01:41:17] I love this idea. It's a way that all these groups working together, that's the way we [01:41:21] get things done, right, is to have all these committees and groups working together. Everybody [01:41:27] just puts in a little bit of their piece and we can all work together. So I see the City [01:41:31] putting in our part of that as well. [01:41:34] Yeah, I would agree in attracting some young folks as well to take an interest in such [01:41:38] a creative industry. I had a chance to look through the CAC budget and with the exception [01:41:45] of whatever staffing time is taken from the library, this is less than 10% from a City [01:41:49] Committee, not from the City itself, but from a City Committee for a pilot program with [01:41:56] private partnership to then do this again. I think that is money well spent. It's very [01:42:01] fiscally responsible and I'm very excited to see it grow. [01:42:06] Yeah, I just couldn't let the day go without having at least one chance to correct the [01:42:13] new guy on the board here. You said this is money from the City Committee. This is City [01:42:22] Council allocation of funds that the City Committee advises us to and it gives me an [01:42:28] opportunity to suggest that I've heard with respect to the budget and the amount, I've [01:42:34] heard and it was brought up of the excitement of our 100-year anniversary coming up and [01:42:41] the big party to occur, as I understand it, in October and to remind that the fiscal year [01:42:47] ends on September 30th and so I think that it's been discussed in talking to the Millennial [01:42:56] Party former Mayor that we had a pretty good and robust event and so my suggestion is going [01:43:05] to be that we might want to discuss when we talk about that event that we look at the [01:43:15] parameters that have been set out to the members of the community. We have a lot of people [01:43:19] planning a lot of events and a lot of activities and I think you're involved in that Mr. Mayor [01:43:24] and of course the ceremonial head of the city, you're the master of ceremonies of the [01:43:29] whole event. I think that we will probably want to strategize what we want to put in [01:43:38] next year's budget so that we can cover whatever has not expended in the current year. We don't [01:43:43] have to change the budget for it but from what I understand it would be nice for us [01:43:50] to dream a little bigger especially if we're going to start a new renaissance of our theater [01:43:56] and Hollywood era sort of charm. So I just recommend that maybe we can have that discussion [01:44:05] about how much funding you might like to have versus how much we're restricted to. Otherwise [01:44:14] I support the motion. I just want to say what I like to see right here is the different [01:44:21] parts of the community working together and I'd like to reach out to the people that may [01:44:25] be at home that went through the Citizens Academy. This is the type of thing that I'd [01:44:29] like you to get involved in. You've gone through, you've found out how the whole city works, [01:44:35] you're finding different organizations tonight that are working together and different things [01:44:39] that they're doing and I just want you to come back as graduates and contribute to the [01:44:45] city. Be part of it. If you haven't heard me say it, be part of that ten percent that [01:44:51] does ninety percent of the volunteering. So yeah, I'm definitely in for this. I'm liking [01:44:56] that everybody works together. [01:45:00] In that case, I will put it for vote. All those in favor? [01:45:04] Aye. [01:45:05] Those opposed? We have four zip. [01:45:09] Move Meadows Park Improvement Project close-up. [01:45:14] Yes, the project is coming to a close. [01:45:18] And in that respect, we'll be conducting a ribbon-cutting ceremony in coming weeks for that project and a little bit of a neighborhood party. [01:45:28] And this evening, Robert is asking us to consider and attach a deductive change order and a project close-out. [01:45:36] Please present that agenda in detail. [01:45:40] As Ms. Vance stated, the project has been completed. [01:45:43] The first slide here shows you the improvements that were constructed in the parking lot at the front, as well as the landscaping and the sign. [01:45:55] The slide here shows you the old bathroom setup that you had. [01:46:00] Over to the right, you'll see that a privacy wall was installed. [01:46:05] The interior of the restrooms were totally renovated, and then we've extended the concrete platform there to allow for some bicycle racks. [01:46:15] And then, of course, the playground was removed and totally replaced. [01:46:22] The existing park had one basketball court. [01:46:27] As you can see to the right, we were able to maintain a half-court basketball setup with three additional pickleball courts. [01:46:37] And as discussed earlier in some of our meetings when we were doing the pre-design, [01:46:42] we did install the buffer barrier, that sound barrier that we had between the pickleball court and the existing neighborhood, as well as some landscaping. [01:46:53] The bottom picture shows the entrance to the park where you had the old dirt or sand road. [01:46:59] Now we've constructed a sidewalk with decorative lighting. [01:47:04] The existing shell that was out there was removed, and we constructed a new one over to the right. [01:47:09] And then you'll see just past that shelter, there are some canopy shade structures with additional picnic areas where people can go ahead and have a picnic. [01:47:20] Below, you can see the existing conditions of the old dog park. [01:47:25] Over to the right, you'll see that we've constructed one for small dogs and one for large dogs, as well as several agility elements to those park areas, dog park areas. [01:47:38] And so when we look at the whole view of the park, you'll see that we have included the shell trail that goes around the outside perimeter, [01:47:47] as well as extensive landscaping that is in between the existing neighborhood, two neighborhoods, the meadows themselves, those homes, over to the west, [01:47:59] and then the trailer park that is to the south of the park itself. [01:48:05] And then we did go ahead and take and install fencing as an additional buffer. [01:48:12] So with that being said, we would request and recommend approval of the deductive change order. [01:48:18] This would be in the amount of $11,592.70, as well as the final pay request in the amount not to exceed $131,382.90.
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Meadows Park Improvements Project Close Out
approvedCouncil approved the close-out of the Meadows Park Improvements Project, with a total cost of $1,491,100 funded through Penny for Pasco dollars. Discussion noted residents adjacent to the new pickleball courts were pleased with the sound mitigation provided.
- motion:Motion to approve the Meadows Park Improvements Project close out. (passed)
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[01:48:32] There's a typo there. [01:48:33] Your total project cost was $1,491,100, and this was funded through the Penny for Pasco dollars. [01:48:46] Available for any questions. [01:48:48] Do we have any public comment? [01:48:53] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back for discussion and approval. [01:48:58] Vote. [01:48:59] I'll move to approve. [01:49:00] I'll second. [01:49:02] Do you mind just pulling that back up for one second? [01:49:04] Can you show where the basketball court is? [01:49:06] Because I saw the pickleball. [01:49:07] It's in the back. [01:49:08] It's on that. [01:49:09] I just want to know what corner. [01:49:11] Oh, it was on there? [01:49:12] It was on the map? [01:49:13] Okay. [01:49:15] Right in the back. [01:49:16] Go back. [01:49:17] You can see it right there. [01:49:18] Right, right. [01:49:19] But geographically on the map where the community is in relationship to the basketball court. [01:49:24] The basketball court would be on the east side. [01:49:27] Okay. [01:49:29] Is that the same side where that community came out and had expressed some concern? [01:49:34] It's the same side? [01:49:36] Okay. [01:49:37] Because I had a chance to, with the city manager, speak to that community after I met with the city manager about some of the noise reductions for the pickleball community. [01:49:45] And, I mean, I didn't get a chance to knock doors, but I made a couple phone calls. [01:49:48] And from the few I spoke to, they expressed, you know, that the sound mitigation that was provided for those pickleball courts, they were pleased with it. [01:49:57] So they appreciated the city being able to get that done. [01:50:01] Second? [01:50:03] Yeah, so I actually worked with a homeowner that I sold a home to over there, and she said that it doesn't bother them at all. [01:50:09] So they were perfectly content because that was one of the things, obviously, I asked them to. [01:50:12] And I think the park looks great. [01:50:14] What a difference. [01:50:15] Yes. [01:50:16] That was very nice. [01:50:18] I have nothing. [01:50:19] All those in favor? [01:50:20] Aye. [01:50:21] Aye. [01:50:22] Aye. [01:50:23] Aye. [01:50:24] Aye. [01:50:25] Aye. [01:50:26] Aye. [01:50:27] Aye. [01:50:28] Aye. [01:50:29] This project is about computer-aided dispatch in a record management system that we've been talking about some time, for some time in respect to our police department and our fire department. [01:50:42] And tonight we're asking you specifically to allow us to enter into an interlocal agreement with Pasco County for a consolidated communications center with Central Square Technologies for an access agreement with Central Square Solutions to accept a quote. [01:51:06] And with Purvis Systems related to a price quote for a fire department alerting system. [01:51:13] And Chief Kochen is going to take it from here and get into some of the specifics related to the agenda item. [01:51:20] Thank you, Ms. Mann, Mayor, Councilmembers. [01:51:23] This is a really exciting project. [01:51:24] This is really moving our agency into the future with Pasco and upgrading all of our technology and our ability to work with people, shortening up 911 calls, and it's really bridging us into the future. [01:51:38] So as the city manager said, there are four agreements here. [01:51:40] The interlocal agreement, Pasco County Consolidated Communications Center, Central Square Technology CAD access agreement. [01:51:47] CAD stands for computer-aided dispatch. [01:51:50] Central Square Solutions agreement and, quote, Purvis Systems price quote for the fire department alerting system. [01:51:56] As the city council is aware, the police department has funds allocated in the FY 2024 budget to integrate our CAD RMS system. [01:52:03] RMS stands for record management system. [01:52:05] That's the other side of it. [01:52:07] Into the Pasco County-wide CAD RMS system. [01:52:11] As you remember, on 9-28-23, the city council approved the Axon contract, which pertains to the record management system segment of the CAD RMS integration project. [01:52:21] Currently, we are asking for council approval to enter into agreements with the county and its vendors on the CAD segment of the integration project and the Purvis system segment of the integration project. [01:52:32] This project has many moving parts to it, and the CAD Purvis agreements are a large piece of this integration project. [01:52:39] Pasco County already has established contracts with Central Square Technologies for the CAD segment and with Purvis systems for the fire segment and the alerting system. [01:52:50] This integration project will require the city of New Port Richey to contract with the established system vendors and the county and to fully integrate into the system. [01:52:59] Therefore, the city of New Port Richey will be piggybacking off established contracts with Pasco County, which they already have in place with all these system vendors. [01:53:08] The total year one costs for Central Square Services, Purvis Systems Emergency Alerting Service, and the annual costs for two county emergency communications operators are as follows. [01:53:18] Central Square CAD Services, $94,615. [01:53:23] Purvis System Emergency Alerting Services, $87,610. [01:53:28] Two county emergency communicator operators to support New Port Richey Police and Fire Services, $121,744. [01:53:37] It's a total of $303,000. [01:53:40] The cost for all of these, for the CAD RMS, for Purvis Systems, and for the county dispatchers, which there will be two to service our city, are reoccurring after year one. [01:53:51] Once fully implemented, the county CAD RMS system will be a significant upgrade to our current CAD RMS system and will enhance the level of service that we provide to our community. [01:54:00] Our goal is to have the CAD RMS system fully implemented by the end of this fiscal year. [01:54:06] However, full implementation may occur in the beginning of FY25. [01:54:10] Again, we can't promise. [01:54:11] We're going to try very hard to get it done this year, but it may roll into the next fiscal year. [01:54:16] City Attorney Tim Driscoll has reviewed the agreements and approved agreements as to form. [01:54:21] Again, our recommendation is to approve the agreements as aforementioned. [01:54:25] And budget fiscal impact. [01:54:27] All of this money, approximately $350,000, is budgeted in Division 61 in the police FY 2024 budget. [01:54:35] And I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have. [01:54:39] Do we have any public comment? [01:54:42] Seeing no one come forward, we'll bring it back for discussion and vote. [01:54:45] I move approval. [01:54:48] Second. [01:54:51] Only question I have. [01:54:52] I saw in the news just or heard on the radio one or the other of the new technology that's allowing 911 callers to immediately have the officers here. [01:55:06] It's like tapping into a joint call. [01:55:12] It's like real-time. [01:55:13] It's real-time CAD RMS. [01:55:15] Is that what we have or not yet? [01:55:18] They're working towards that. [01:55:19] The system is very advanced, but these advancements are going to keep coming. [01:55:22] So in Pinellas it was that way, where the officers would see a 911 call live. [01:55:27] They're definitely working towards that. [01:55:29] And that will become a reality. [01:55:31] But by going to this system, we are greatly enhancing the amount of time 911 comes right to our officers. [01:55:36] Because right now it has to go through two PSAPs. [01:55:38] Thank you. [01:55:40] Thank you. [01:55:42] Yeah, so, and I like that we're working with the county on that. [01:55:45] So I had an opportunity last week on April 9th to have to call 911, and within three seconds somebody was there. [01:55:55] So I was leaving voting, and I was on a golf cart. [01:55:58] Thankfully I was on a golf cart because I could see a lady that had fallen on the sidewalk. [01:56:03] I drove past her, turned around, came back. [01:56:05] Nobody could hear her. [01:56:06] She's 89 years old. [01:56:07] Nobody could hear her yelling for help. [01:56:09] She had fallen and busted her face on the sidewalk and her knees, and she couldn't move. [01:56:14] And I called 911, and literally three seconds the EMT was right there. [01:56:19] And at first I was still on there. [01:56:21] I'm like, they're here already. [01:56:22] And they're like, no, no, no, they're for somewhere else. [01:56:24] But they didn't. [01:56:25] They turned their lights on, they backed up, and they took her right away. [01:56:27] I mean, it literally was three seconds, and it was impressive to see that. [01:56:33] I had a few questions. [01:56:34] Do we track the difference between our response time for in-city calls versus those that require ‑‑ [01:56:44] excuse me, do we track our emergency response times? [01:56:47] Absolutely. [01:56:48] And do you know off the top of your head, I don't want you to speak for the county, [01:56:51] but do you know the difference between that and county response times? [01:56:55] I don't without running a report. [01:56:56] I can tell you our response times are phenomenal. [01:56:58] They're under three minutes. [01:57:00] So you'll get a call arrived, call dispatch time arrived. [01:57:03] So every call has that. [01:57:05] They're all tracked. [01:57:06] But I can tell you without even pulling the record, our response times are very good in this city. [01:57:11] And then how does this affect the staffing for the department? [01:57:14] I saw the two county operators. [01:57:17] Is that Pasco County, or would that be in-staff? [01:57:20] So that's Pasco County. [01:57:22] So we're paying for two operators to support our police and fire department [01:57:25] because they'll have extra workload. [01:57:27] And we will be maintaining some form of secondary PSAP, [01:57:30] which is a primary safety answering point at RPD. [01:57:33] We just don't know what that looks like yet. [01:57:35] And I know the council has in the past approved an equipment upgrade to that section. [01:57:40] Is that staying here, or is that going over to the county?
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Approval of CAD and Purvis Project Agreements/Price Quotes
approvedCouncil discussed and approved Resolution 2024-06 updating the city's public records policy and fee schedule, including modernizing definitions, setting a 10-working-day reasonable response time, expanding the 50% deposit to all special service charge requests, replacing CD references with electronic media storage device, and accepting debit/credit card payments. The item also includes tail-end discussion of the prior CAD/Purvis agreement regarding county vs. city dispatch supervision.
- motion:Move approval of Resolution 2024-06 revising the public records policy and fee schedule. (passed)
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[01:57:43] Most of the equipment will be housed at the county, but the RMS system will be, you know, [01:57:48] some of it will be housed here, some of it will be housed at the county, [01:57:51] but everything is so integrated nowadays. [01:57:53] But most of the RMS segment of it will be in-house, [01:57:56] and most of the county stuff will be housed there, but totally integrated with RPD [01:57:59] and the officers on the road. [01:58:01] And then, you know, asking hard questions publicly here, not implying anything, [01:58:05] but the final question I have for you is, say, God forbid, [01:58:10] there is a need of discipline arising from a miscommunication in calls from the county [01:58:17] and the city of Newport Hershey Police Department, how would that play out? [01:58:21] Would that be under your administration, [01:58:24] or would that be under the county's supervision? [01:58:26] So are you asking if a county dispatcher committed some offense or something like that? [01:58:30] To that extent, yeah. [01:58:31] That would be on them, that would be their employees, so the county would have to handle that. [01:58:35] Now, we would handle our secondary PSAP folks that are housed in our police department, [01:58:40] but the county would deal with their folks. [01:58:42] Okay. [01:58:43] And to be clear, this is the county or, excuse me, the city is funding those positions? [01:58:49] That's correct. [01:58:50] Those two positions? [01:58:51] Yes. [01:58:52] Can we look to have some sort of agreement made where we have, you know, supervision [01:59:00] or, you know, communications with them since we'll be doing the funding part of those two county folks? [01:59:08] Because I was under the impression from prior conversations that those would be city dispatchers, [01:59:13] not county dispatchers. [01:59:16] They would still be under our payroll. [01:59:21] It wouldn't be under our payroll. [01:59:23] We would actually be reimbursing the county for their staff-related expenses, [01:59:31] and I don't think we would have any supervisory control over their employees. [01:59:37] So then what part of supervision does the city police department retain [01:59:42] over communications with the public on 911? [01:59:44] Is it all county now? [01:59:46] That's all county 911. [01:59:47] That's not us. [01:59:48] Okay. [01:59:50] Right, but when, so if I call 911 right now, I get county, [01:59:54] and then county sends it to city police immediately. [01:59:57] It's not, you know, they may take some preliminary information, [02:00:00] But I'm interacting with New Port Richey, our non-emergency dispatchers, at some point. [02:00:04] It gets transferred over. [02:00:05] You call 9-1-1, it goes into the Pasco County PSAP, they take all the information right [02:00:10] now, they transfer the 9-1-1 call to our secondary PSAP, which is now our primary PSAP. [02:00:15] And then we take information and dispatch. [02:00:17] When we go to the new system, we're cutting us out of the loop. [02:00:20] It doesn't come back to us, it goes to county, they dispatch our officers. [02:00:23] That is huge. [02:00:24] Oh yeah. [02:00:25] That is major. [02:00:26] That is going to increase our response times even more. [02:00:29] The county houses all 9-1-1, they always have. [02:00:32] Okay. [02:00:33] I just want to say there's a story about six or seven years ago, a lady told me that your [02:00:39] property is half in the city and half in the county, and as far as response team, if something [02:00:44] ever happened to her husband, she would make sure that he was in the city's property before [02:00:50] she called because the response time was better. [02:00:53] Pushing the other side. [02:00:54] Yeah. [02:00:55] Roll them over. [02:00:56] Okay. [02:00:57] All those in favor, signify by aye. [02:00:58] Aye. [02:00:59] Aye. [02:01:00] Aye. [02:01:01] Those opposed, the floor is zipped. [02:01:02] Okay, moving on to resolution number 2024-06, revisiting the city's public records policy [02:01:11] and fee schedule. [02:01:12] This is resolution number 2024-06, a resolution of the city council of the city of New Port Richey revising the policy and fee schedule with respect to public records requests consistent [02:01:22] with Florida statute chapter 119, providing for definitions of applicable public records, [02:01:27] providing for a basic fee schedule for production of copies, providing for a reasonable special [02:01:31] service charge when the nature or volume of such requests requires extensive use of information [02:01:37] technology resources or extensive clerical or supervisory assistance by personnel of [02:01:42] the city or both, and providing for an effective date. [02:01:47] The city adopted, pardon me, a resolution back in 2011 which established both a public [02:01:57] records policy and a fee schedule. [02:01:59] The city is now launching a new public portal through just FOIA which provides interested [02:02:09] parties with an opportunity to access public records through a different fashion and through [02:02:20] our work on activating that public records system, it was brought to our attention that [02:02:28] a good number of changes needed to be made to our resolution to bring it up to date. [02:02:38] They are all outlined in the communication sent to you on April 16th, but they are as [02:02:45] follows. [02:02:46] The first relates to the definition section of the ordinance and the words public records. [02:02:56] The definition itself has been changed to correspond with Florida statute. [02:03:02] Reasonable time has been amended. [02:03:05] It was previously stated at three as a reasonable time to provide for some requests. [02:03:14] Reasonable time has been amended to 10 working days as a result of the fact that some requests [02:03:20] are just more large than others. [02:03:25] Also basic fee schedule used to include a reference to CDs. [02:03:32] It has now been determined that CDs are an outdated reference and now we have changed [02:03:40] that to electronic media storage device. [02:03:45] In another section we use the word deposit. [02:03:51] In the past a minimum deposit of 50% was taken before a public records request was processed [02:04:03] typically in our police department and now we have expanded that to a 50% deposit is [02:04:13] taken on all public records requests. [02:04:16] The last change relates to payments and we have expanded the type of payments that we [02:04:23] accept for public records requests to include both debit and credit card options for payment. [02:04:29] With that we're recommending that you consider passing the resolution in support of our new [02:04:36] city public records policy and fee schedule. [02:04:39] Do we have any public comment? [02:04:44] Move approval. [02:04:45] Seeing no one come forward we'll bring it back for approval and discussion. [02:04:49] Move approval Mr. Mayor. [02:04:50] Do we have a second? [02:04:51] I'll second. [02:04:52] Yeah, I mean it's been well described the reasons to update it. [02:04:58] I don't think it's unreasonable so I'm for it. [02:05:03] I think it's in line with what everybody else charges for these types of services and I [02:05:10] think we had to change some of the language because from 2011 some of that doesn't exist [02:05:14] anymore. [02:05:15] I think when we, sorry, I think when we talk about being the pioneers of things in addition [02:05:23] to culture and the arts and preserving our history I think looking forward we also have [02:05:27] to look to being a pioneer when it comes to access of information and transparency [02:05:32] and to that end sitting on the city council you may not have as much experience having [02:05:37] to make a request from the public end but the reality is that, I mean I made a request [02:05:42] when I was looking into the Home Improvement Grant Program I had the piece of paper in [02:05:46] front of me I knew what I was looking for and I made the request and the redaction of [02:05:52] a single social security number the time it took to process the request came to hundreds [02:05:56] of dollars with the deposit and it was a single application document. [02:06:02] I mean if you're looking to afford access to information I mean I can't believe we're [02:06:09] talking about affordability of public information and to that end I think this is a massive [02:06:14] step in the right direction. [02:06:16] I mean the portal is a perfect way to streamline this process and make it more public. [02:06:20] I also think it's awesome that we're accepting more payment methods but I would recommend [02:06:24] an amendment to the motion where we reduce the 10-day wait period to at least a 5-day [02:06:30] wait period and to drop the deposit or excuse me drop the 50% deposit for non-police department [02:06:40] related requests because the deposit already exists. [02:06:43] I have been charged a deposit not 50% but for non-police related requests and so in [02:06:50] fact do we have a schedule of where the grading area is for non-police related deposits? [02:07:03] It really depends on the magnitude of the request. [02:07:08] Typically if they're smaller requests we sometimes don't require a deposit or a minimal [02:07:15] deposit. [02:07:16] When they get to be larger and require more staff time that's when we really establish [02:07:22] that we need a 50% deposit. [02:07:26] To be clear I think it's in our interest not to handicap ourselves to a 50% deposit and [02:07:32] continue to trust our staff to do the good job they are doing to have a discretion on [02:07:37] what level of deposit is necessary for the reason that the 50% deposit doesn't make [02:07:45] sense in that now regardless of the size of the request we are requiring 50% up front. [02:07:51] First of all just to correct the record, section 4 is the deposit section and it only applies [02:07:55] to special service charge requests so that would always be an extensive request so it [02:08:02] doesn't apply to the routine. [02:08:03] So can you give a couple layman's terms example of what would be a special service [02:08:07] charge? [02:08:08] Those would be anything that requires special time, it's defined in the resolution and [02:08:14] it's basically a codification really of what state law provides which is where there's [02:08:20] extensive time, clerical time, those kinds of requests, those are the ones that require [02:08:24] a deposit. [02:08:26] If you just come in and get one record it's one page, it's 15 cents, there's no deposit [02:08:30] required. [02:08:31] So it's limited to the special service charge type requests which always tend to be more [02:08:38] extensive. [02:08:39] Once we get into that area where we're saying listen this is going to take more than a quarter [02:08:42] hour of someone's time to fulfill so that becomes a threshold by which we start to [02:08:48] ask for a deposit up front because you're going to be committing city resources to that. [02:08:53] So it doesn't apply to the routine records request. [02:08:57] And then to the 10 day period, can you provide some information on that? [02:09:02] So what it says is it can be no more than 10 days, so generally no more than 10 working [02:09:08] days. [02:09:09] So what I'm saying here, Florida law always overrides this resolution. [02:09:13] Florida law requires us always to respond to public records requests in a reasonable [02:09:18] time. [02:09:19] This is helping to define reasonable time. [02:09:21] Florida law does not define that but we can try to narrow it down. [02:09:25] This does not permit the city to take 10 days on a request, it only takes three days or [02:09:29] two days. [02:09:31] So you're always going to be subject to a reasonable time standard. [02:09:35] So that's why it says generally no more than 10. [02:09:38] We're trying to set an outside limit that if you haven't responded to a public records [02:09:43] request in 10 days, you're already probably being unreasonable. [02:09:47] So we're asking everyone that responds to these requests to do so in the shortest period [02:09:52] of time that's reasonable. [02:09:53] You don't have to drop everything. [02:09:55] The law is clear that it is a reasonable time and it's really subjective. [02:10:00] This is an attempt to make it a little more objective but it's always going to be a subjective
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Resolution No. 2024-06: Revising the City's Public Records Policy and Fee Schedule
approvedCouncil adopted Resolution No. 2024-06 revising the City's Public Records Policy and Fee Schedule, including a new 10-day standard for responding to public records requests (replacing prior three-day language that the City Attorney advised was inconsistent with Florida law). An amendment proposed by a councilmember to set a 5-day standard for general requests and 10 days for deposit-related special requests died for lack of a second. The main motion passed 4-0.
Ord. Resolution No. 2024-06
- motion:Motion to amend the resolution to set a 5-day response period for general public records requests and 10 days for requests requiring a deposit/special service charge. (failed)
- vote:Adopt Resolution No. 2024-06 revising the City's Public Records Policy and Fee Schedule with a 10-day response standard. (passed)4–0
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[02:10:05] test in each case. [02:10:06] What was the three day language? [02:10:08] Three day came from a prior version of this resolution. [02:10:11] So it was already limited to three days. [02:10:12] So are we setting a new standard or are we setting a standard in general? [02:10:20] We are setting, we're changing the standard. [02:10:22] That was a three day standard, correct. [02:10:24] But it was, I think, poorly worded because this standard said that you may take up to [02:10:30] three working days. [02:10:31] That's not true under Florida law. [02:10:33] If it's something you can respond to reasonably in one day, that's the reasonable time. [02:10:38] So this was extending it and courts have struck down those type of provisions routinely where [02:10:44] you try to set a, we're not saying we can take 10 days and I want to make that clear [02:10:50] to everyone that this does not authorize you to take 10 days. [02:10:54] The other version did seem to authorize you to take three days, which you can't do under [02:10:58] Florida law. [02:10:59] So we haven't set that reasonable time. [02:11:02] But we're saying get it done within 10 days or we're going to start scrutinizing it. [02:11:05] And a court will look at that and say that does seem to be a reasonable time in a particular [02:11:10] case, but you still have to demonstrate that it's a reasonable time. [02:11:13] I hope that helps. [02:11:15] It helps. [02:11:16] I would still make a motion if we start at three days. [02:11:19] The motion on the floor. [02:11:20] Excuse me. [02:11:21] I'll make the amendment. [02:11:22] You can't. [02:11:23] That can be accepted. [02:11:24] Oh yeah. [02:11:25] I'm sorry. [02:11:26] I won't accept your amendment. [02:11:27] I haven't made it yet, so you don't know. [02:11:30] I'm glad you made up your mind already. [02:11:34] Based on the new information that was presented, I hope we're all listening to, I would make [02:11:40] an amendment suggesting that we have the five day period for general requests and any request [02:11:49] that requires a deposit, which would then kick in the special service charge that we [02:11:53] leave that 10 day, the new language in there. [02:11:56] For the reason that given my experience of making 25 public records requests in the last [02:12:03] three years, there is a, we have a glaring problem where it does take time to get back [02:12:09] to these requests. [02:12:10] And given that we have a portal now, these requests should not take as long to streamline, [02:12:15] but it keeps us accountable and it makes our public trust the fact that we're processing [02:12:20] these requests in a timely manner. [02:12:22] Is that whole thing your amendment? [02:12:25] Because you make an amendment, if it's not passed, you don't go talking about the amendment. [02:12:32] And so I'm talking about the amendment just given the fact that I felt I wasn't necessarily [02:12:35] heard in the change of the amendment I'm making. [02:12:37] So to clarify, the amendment is to do a three day, or excuse me, a five day for general [02:12:43] requests and a 10 day for the deposit related special requests. [02:12:48] I don't accept it. [02:12:49] Well, it's up to the maker of the motion first. [02:12:52] I'm not inclined to accept your amendment. [02:12:56] So with that being said, you can make a motion to amend and see if you get a second on the [02:12:59] motion to amend, and then there could be a, there would be a second vote if the motion [02:13:03] is so amended. [02:13:05] I'm going to make that motion for the sake of if anyone would like to respond. [02:13:08] Seeing no one respond, we'll go back to the original. [02:13:13] So the motion to amend dies for lack of second? [02:13:16] Correct. [02:13:17] Thank you. [02:13:18] So, and I can respond under communication, so I'm not, we'll figure it out. [02:13:23] I appreciate very much your desire to follow Robert's rules. [02:13:26] So first of all, I just will say that the gist of what's been asked from us is to take [02:13:35] advantage of what you proclaimed, and I agree with you, is a great advance. [02:13:40] The discussion of the appropriateness of the invoices you received, or the appropriateness [02:13:47] of the way in which we've billed, and I am sympathetic to what I understand have been [02:13:55] some large expenses related to a lot of public records requests, and there's a lot of reasons [02:14:01] for those requests, and there's a lot to be discussed about how that's handled. [02:14:06] But for the purpose of this, having knowledge that sometimes the staff that has to answer [02:14:13] these things is out for a day or off for a week or not there, I think that in the degree [02:14:20] that there is an issue that requires service and an individual to do something other than [02:14:25] fetch a record, that I think the 10-day is reasonable. [02:14:30] If you could have got things in 10 days instead of perhaps weeks or whatever else the time [02:14:34] frame was that you suffered. [02:14:36] So I appreciate your commentary, not trying to be harsh, but I think that the motion allows [02:14:44] us to find out how that's going to work, and I would encourage you to continue to bring [02:14:49] up issues of failures if you see them occurring. [02:14:53] So I'm not trying to brush off your comments, I'm just wanting to keep the motion clean. [02:15:00] I think it's mostly a wording that we're nitpicking a little bit about time here, but you say days and you put numbers on days, well, there's a four-day weekend at Thanksgiving around my birthday, which is important. [02:15:23] Business days. [02:15:24] It doesn't say business days. [02:15:26] I'm assuming it's business days. [02:15:28] So anyhow, in those days is when a lot of staff takes holidays, takes vacations. [02:15:37] So it does, in the person you're putting on it, when the person's on vacation, may not have the knowledge or take the time to take it. [02:15:44] So I'm supporting 10 days. [02:15:46] It's not an unreasonable amount. [02:15:48] So all those in favor, signify by aye. [02:15:51] Aye. [02:15:52] Those opposed? [02:15:54] So we have a four-zip. [02:15:56] All right, communications. [02:15:58] We'll start out with the rookie. [02:16:00] Well, let's start off on this end. [02:16:01] No, no, no. [02:16:02] Go ahead. [02:16:03] Well, then I'll just in kind respond to what was just said and just remind you of the fact that it was back in the seventh grade when I was at Gulf Middle School that I made a recommendation for a portal software. [02:16:15] And so it was in my meeting with the city manager that we discussed the fact that, oh, that's a great idea. [02:16:19] We had no clue what a portal software was. [02:16:21] And so if we're talking about being a pioneer of public information and transparency and talking about what we know, it's important to realize, I mean, we didn't even know this was working business days. [02:16:30] And so if you don't fully understand the mechanics of how the public records request works because you're sitting on the other side of the dais, it's important to be respectful and sympathetic, not towards me, but towards the public who is the ones making the request. [02:16:42] I'm not the ones making the request anymore. [02:16:44] But that being said, I just wanted to make you clear of that. [02:16:47] And just take a moment to highlight our police department and the lift program and the work they're doing. [02:16:52] I was at the Dunkin' Donuts the other day, and there was a gentleman who is in a wheelchair, has unfortunately one leg that was amputated, and is homeless. [02:17:05] And it's the reality that is anywhere in any community you go. [02:17:09] And it's how we respond as a city that matters. [02:17:12] And this gentleman said that he's already been reached out to by three different police officers. [02:17:17] He knows them all on a first-name basis. [02:17:19] And he is in the works of getting assisted living thanks to our lift program. [02:17:23] And he has nothing but great things to say about them. [02:17:25] And so he does have cancer, and he's a vet. [02:17:27] And so it's just incredible, the work that you hear from this lift program and what they're doing for our community and the supports they're providing. [02:17:34] And so I just wanted to make sure we were highlighting that because it popped up. [02:17:38] You put me on the spot on a couple other things, but I'll leave it there for today, and we'll pick it back up. [02:17:43] All right. [02:17:44] So, yeah, I don't have too much either. [02:17:46] Congratulations, Bertel. [02:17:47] Thank you. [02:17:48] Welcome. [02:17:49] And then something that George said, which was on my mind as well, is Van Buren and Main Street, putting a crosswalk there. [02:17:58] I actually witnessed two kids almost get run over yesterday there, and I thought I needed to bring that here [02:18:03] because that is a place where we have a lot of kids trying to cross to go down Van Buren to go to the rec center, [02:18:10] and they're crossing Main Street, and it's a really tough place because you can't see coming around the corner. [02:18:15] Then you've got them coming off the other road that comes in, and it's just a really congested area, [02:18:20] and it makes it really difficult when they're trying to cross right there. [02:18:23] And that might be a really good spot to put a crosswalk for them [02:18:27] because it scared me to see them standing there trying to get across, and they were little. [02:18:31] So that's really all I have for tonight. [02:18:35] Yeah. [02:18:37] Again, congratulations. [02:18:39] This is my 24th year. [02:18:41] It started in 1986, and I hope you have 24 years to continue to dedicate your efforts to the city, [02:18:50] and I'm very proud to have someone in a younger generation to take up the mantle. [02:19:01] On my notes, first note is note. [02:19:04] Yeah. [02:19:06] The first note is note. [02:19:08] I'm going to start a new process, duty of handing my handwritten notes on the agendas to you at the end of the meeting, if that's okay, [02:19:17] so I can just create public record, handwritten notes of all of what I have been contemplating during the meetings. [02:19:27] I know when you go to the Florida League of Cities, if you want to take your ethics exam there in person, [02:19:34] at least the first time, it's helpful because you've got some really great attorneys that are providing that. [02:19:40] But our own public records are very critical, and so I know I make very limited notes, but in theory, these are notes. [02:19:52] They should be public records, and you can't read them, but that's all right, too. [02:19:59] Number two, I know we have a CRA meeting on Thursday. [02:20:07] I certainly appreciate the continued attendance at our meetings from the folks from Gulf High School, [02:20:14] and one of the things that was brought up to me was perhaps with Mike Peters, the champion of the Citizens Academy, [02:20:27] that maybe we could have a add-on addendum sort of little continuing education from graduates of that academy [02:20:37] and have a CRA where we really can talk about it because it's such a huge issue in our city. [02:20:45] We did have the lawyers come and talk to all of us, and I think there has continued to be a lack of understanding of the limitations, [02:20:56] and the benefits of CRAs, particularly when folks are saying they see us do a big sign out there, [02:21:03] and they're wondering why we didn't fix a pothole or do something else, [02:21:07] and there is a strategy behind it that's worthy of us getting the word out more. [02:21:12] So maybe we could add that to a CRA meeting, or we could figure out how to deal with that when the time comes. [02:21:21] I want to say a short word about partisanship just because we are nonpartisan in our elections, [02:21:28] and I am a big believer in the fact that we should remain nonpartisan, that cities should be nonpartisan. [02:21:37] I've got sort of this idea of hometown harmony where we all get along no matter what party we're in. [02:21:44] I'm not saying that it's improper for the Republican Party to put up a tent at an event or for them to try to support their candidates, [02:21:54] but I think the Florida League of Cities and the president when he came recognized, [02:22:02] and I've heard it many times at the conferences, just the benefits of us not having to ask for permission from our loyalty oaths [02:22:11] to a party when we are a city. [02:22:14] My loyalty is in my city, and I welcome the parties to get involved. [02:22:20] I'm not trying to say they shouldn't, but every one of us when we run say nonpartisan on our ballots, [02:22:28] and I think it's a mantle that serves us well because we've gotten along as a group much better that way, [02:22:35] and I hate to have us get down that road. [02:22:40] So the crosswalk issue, I agree with. [02:22:44] It was brought up. [02:22:46] My granddaughter probably would have lost her life in an accident at that very intersection of Nebraska and Maine riding a little scooter [02:22:56] when someone racing to their DUI hearing at the courthouse ran right into her with a truck. [02:23:05] If it weren't for our former fire chief being two places behind and medevacking her immediately, she would not have lived, [02:23:14] and so I personally know the danger of somebody wanting to get to the courthouse and cut over quickly [02:23:23] and not go through to make a turn on Congress or go out to Massachusetts. [02:23:28] There can be so I would support any idea of a lighted area there too. [02:23:35] I think it makes people feel safer, and I think he said Van Buren in Florida, [02:23:41] but I think it's really Van Buren in Maine or even closer to that intersection where problems occur. [02:23:52] So we meet in another couple days, so I'll see you then. [02:23:58] Welcome. [02:23:59] Thank you. [02:24:02] We can't talk anymore now. [02:24:04] Monday before the election we had lunch together, so that was the end of that. [02:24:09] It was fine. [02:24:10] We didn't talk about anything anyhow, just our friendship. [02:24:13] So anyhow, I just want to say that I appreciate the community backing us and getting involved with us, [02:24:21] and I brought that up I think at the last meeting, [02:24:23] and it's real important that you realize that we're on your team, that you elected us as part of your team. [02:24:29] So just keep that in mind, and I think we all have an open-door policy that you're welcome to come and talk to us, [02:24:35] so please at any time come and talk to me, reach out to me. [02:24:40] Any phone number you people might have is my real phone number. [02:24:43] It's not a city phone number. [02:24:44] I don't know if I even have a city phone number. [02:24:47] So anyhow, in that case, thank you for everybody, their input today. [02:24:54] I won't be here on Thursday. [02:24:56] I've already had other commitments, but the three of you can handle it, I guess, on your own. [02:25:01] And, Mary, if I may, just one other thing, just a note for housekeeping in the future. [02:25:07] I would be, to throw it out there for consideration, maybe we can discuss a little bit more at CRA [02:25:13] or at our next city council meeting, if when we do these communications to offer more, [02:25:17] since we don't get a chance to have dialogues outside of these meetings, [02:25:20] if we went more topic-specific in order, where if I introduce a topic point, [02:25:25] I pause for a moment to have a little bit of a conversational element and then move on to the next topic. [02:25:30] Of course, there will be those topics where I say something or someone says something, [02:25:33] and we do a round, and it goes pretty quick. [02:25:36] And so just so we can have more conversation up here. [02:25:39] Sounds good. [02:25:41] No problem with that. [02:25:43] Debbie? [02:25:44] We won't be having a CRA meeting on Thursday. [02:25:46] Unfortunately, Matt will not be back in town by then, and the mayor will not be here either, [02:25:54] so we will not be able to have a quorum. [02:25:59] The three of us. [02:26:01] They can have three. [02:26:03] Technically, yes. [02:26:04] With three, they can meet. [02:26:06] It's just a question of whether you want to without two people. [02:26:09] No, it wasn't the quorum. [02:26:10] It was just because the mayor and deputy mayor were both not going to be here. [02:26:13] Yeah. [02:26:14] Then I should have a quorum. [02:26:16] So you can decide whether you want to continue to have a meeting with the three of you or move it. [02:26:22] I think you can. [02:26:23] Decide now, but what do you all think? [02:26:27] Given the fact that it is a new council and there is someone new up here, [02:26:35] I think it's advantageous for the public's sake that we make sure. [02:26:38] It's unfortunate that we can't have a quorum and that the members can't be present, [02:26:41] but I think it's important to have fair representation of everyone who's been elected. [02:26:46] I would recommend not having the meeting with only three present. [02:26:54] We'll just coordinate it for another time. [02:26:56] Do it the following Thursday. [02:26:58] The situation is not going to go away. [02:27:01] I'm frustrated. [02:27:02] Can you give us any kind of update of the progress that you've made? [02:27:06] I know that you had an item on there that required action, which was a property acquisition. [02:27:12] Right. [02:27:14] Yeah, we're recommending. [02:27:17] We've sent out the packet, and we're recommending that you consider allowing us to purchase the property. [02:27:27] If three of us agreed to it, we wouldn't need the other two anyway. [02:27:32] Not that, you know. [02:27:34] I mean, I hate to put off a potential deal if we have one on the table. [02:27:41] And I think this is a question of the members that aren't here. [02:27:43] I personally do not feel comfortable not allowing those two other electeds to be able to give their input [02:27:49] and make an informed decision as a yes or no. [02:27:53] The address is 5432 Acorn Street, [02:27:57] and we're recommending that we purchase it for $380,000 pursuant to an appraised value. [02:28:06] Well, one of them is here, but the other one was in favor of this purchase years ago. [02:28:11] I'm not trying to speak on behalf of him, but we had really pursued this property [02:28:17] and felt that the price was a little high. [02:28:19] I think you weighed in on it as well, so I'd be curious if I'm making a mistake here or not. [02:28:25] But if we're inclined to do it, it was part of a vision that came to all of us. [02:28:30] I didn't hear any objection. [02:28:32] Can we have just that item on there, hold a meeting for that item? [02:28:37] Yeah, we could postpone and continue anything else. [02:28:41] Because I've done my homework on that item, [02:28:43] and if the other council member has already made comments on the first reading, then I see no... [02:28:47] This was two years ago. [02:28:49] Oh, okay. [02:28:50] But... [02:28:55] Is that the consensus? [02:28:57] Really? [02:28:58] Is that the consensus? [02:28:59] Yeah. [02:29:00] And you won't be here, so... [02:29:01] That's why I'm not saying anything. [02:29:02] I'm fine with a meeting for that one item. [02:29:03] Well, if you objected, you could. [02:29:06] Then the other items would just be rolled over to a future meeting. [02:29:09] That's fine. [02:29:10] Yeah. [02:29:11] Okay. [02:29:14] Additionally, I'll follow up with Don House so that he understands that it is the property owner's responsibility
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2289: Rezoning for 6727 Trouble Creek Rd.
First reading of an ordinance rezoning property at 6727 Trouble Creek Rd.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2289
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2290: Conditional Use for 6727 Trouble Creek Rd.
First reading of an ordinance authorizing a conditional use for property at 6727 Trouble Creek Rd.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2290