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1. 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
2. 2

   Pledge of Allegiance

   Council recited the Pledge of Allegiance.

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   [00:00:22] Driscoll. Here. Please stand for the Pledge of Oath of Silence. I pledge allegiance to [00:00:29] the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one [00:00:36] nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

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3. 3

   Moment of Silence

   Procedural opening with a moment of silence and Pledge of Allegiance.

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   [00:00:22] Driscoll. Here. Please stand for the Pledge of Oath of Silence. I pledge allegiance to [00:00:29] the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one [00:00:36] nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

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4. 4

   Approval of February 6, 2024 Regular Meeting Minutes

   approved

   Council approved the February 6, 2024 regular meeting minutes by unanimous 5-0 vote.

   • motion:Approve the February 6, 2024 regular meeting minutes. (passed)5–0

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   [00:00:53] We need approval of the December 6, 2024 regular meeting minutes. Move we approve. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Those five zip.

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5. 5

   Proclamation: Black History Month

   approved

   Mayor Chopper Davis read a proclamation designating February 2024 as Black History Month in the City of New Port Richey, recognizing African Americans and the arts. Members of the African American Club accepted the proclamation, thanked the city, and announced a Black History Month festival on Saturday at Booker T. Washington School from 11 to 4.

   • motion:Proclaim February 2024 as Black History Month in the City of New Port Richey. (passed)

   🏢African American Club🏢Booker T. Washington School👤Chopper Davis👤Gene Scott#African Americans and the Arts (theme)#Black History Month 2024

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   [00:01:09] Could we have the Black History Month individuals come down, please? We have several esteemed [00:01:19] individuals in attendance this evening. We have several esteemed individuals in attendance [00:01:25] from the African American Club this evening. We're expecting Mr. Gene Scott, who I believe [00:01:31] just entered the room. [00:02:01] This is a proclamation of the Office of the Mayor of the City of New Port Richey. Whereas [00:02:30] the City of New Port Richey takes pride in recognizing February 2024 as Black History [00:02:35] Month, celebrating the many notable contributions that people of African descent have made to [00:02:40] our community, state, and country. And whereas Black History Month provides an opportunity [00:02:45] to reflect intentionally on the common humanity underlying all people, to raise awareness [00:02:51] and foster respect for the heritage and contributions of the entire diaspora of people of African [00:02:57] descent, and to celebrate the ethnic and racial diversity that enriches and strengthens [00:03:02] our city, state, and nation. And whereas it is crucial to recognize and commemorate the [00:03:07] resilience, leadership, and cultural richness of the African American community, as well [00:03:12] as to promote understanding and appreciation of the diverse narratives within black history. [00:03:18] And whereas we celebrate this year's Black History Month theme of African Americans and [00:03:23] the arts, shining a light on visual and performing arts, literature, fashion, folklore, language, [00:03:28] film, music, architecture, culinary, and other forms of cultural expression in which the [00:03:34] African American influence has been paramount. And whereas we celebrate African Americans [00:03:40] and the arts, and encourage all people to join together to take pride in how African [00:03:44] American artists have used art to preserve history and community, as well as for empowerment. [00:03:50] Now, therefore, I, Chopper Davis, Mayor of the City of New Port Richey, do hereby proclaim [00:03:54] the month of February 2024 as Black History Month, and call upon the people of the City [00:03:59] of New Port Richey to celebrate the contributions and achievements of African Americans, past [00:04:04] and present, and continue efforts to create a world that is more just, equitable, and [00:04:09] prosperous for all. [00:04:12] Thank you. I just want to say, I just want to say that [00:04:15] I'm a member of the Club of America for a couple of years now, and they really do a [00:04:22] lot for the community behind the scenes, which a lot of people aren't aware of. And the culinary [00:04:26] part's really important, because I go there for the culinary, too. But I'd like to go [00:04:31] ahead and, two or three of you would like to speak, please? [00:04:35] She's got something. [00:04:36] I just want to say thank you to the City of New Port Richey for your continuous support [00:04:41] of the African American Club and the community, and for recognizing this, you know, as part [00:04:47] of the city's heritage and everything. [00:04:50] Do you want to talk about Saturday? [00:04:51] Saturday? [00:04:52] I'll let somebody. [00:04:53] Okay. [00:04:55] Hi, there is, we're having a Black History Month festival on Saturday on the grounds [00:05:01] of the Booker T. Washington School from 11 to 4. We'll have line dancing, and our kids [00:05:06] will be performing, and games, and good food, and just a good time for the whole family. [00:05:12] And so we invite everybody to come out and experience black history, and experience how [00:05:17] we do it sometimes. So, you're welcome. [00:05:21] Anybody else like to speak? [00:05:24] Terry? [00:05:25] He's shy. [00:05:26] Oh, you don't want me to. [00:05:29] Gather all around here. Turn around. Just turn around right there. She's going to take [00:05:34] some pictures of your hat. [00:05:35] And you're welcome to join our organization. It's open to everyone. [00:06:00] Thank you. [00:06:01] Thank you. [00:06:02] Thank you very much. [00:06:03] Thank you. Appreciate you. [00:06:04] Thank you. [00:06:05] All right. [00:06:06] Where's my damn t-shirt? [00:06:07] Here? [00:06:08] No, I ain't going to. [00:06:09] I forgot the hat. [00:06:10] I forgot the hat. [00:06:11] Here, I thought I was going to be the only whitey to put on a coat of armor. [00:06:19] I think they were the most. [00:06:25] Oh, Michael. [00:06:26] Hmm? [00:06:27] Michael. [00:06:35] All right.

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6. 6Vox Pop for Items Not Listed on the Agenda or Listed on Consent Agenda▶ 6:36
7. 7.a

   Budget Amendment

   approvedon consent

   Brief procedural vote recorded with unanimous 5-0 approval before moving to public reading of ordinances. Transcript content for this item is minimal and lacks substantive detail.

   • vote:Council voted on the budget amendment item. (passed)5–0

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   [00:26:43] Aye. [00:26:44] Those opposed, nay. [00:26:45] Five zip. [00:26:46] Moving on to public reading of ordinances.

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8. 7.b

   Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval

   approvedon consent

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   • vote:Council voted on the item before moving to public reading of ordinances. (passed)5–0

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   [00:26:43] Aye. [00:26:44] Those opposed, nay. [00:26:45] Five zip. [00:26:46] Moving on to public reading of ordinances.

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9. 8.a

   Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2283: Amendments to Firefighters' Pension Ordinance

   approved

   Council held the second reading of Ordinance No. 2024-2283, amending the Firefighters' Retirement System provisions in Article 3 of Chapter 17 (definitions, finances and fund management, pre-retirement death, and minimum distribution of benefits). No public comment was offered, and the ordinance passed unanimously 5-0.

   Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2283

   • motion:Motion to approve Ordinance No. 2024-2283 amending the Firefighters' Pension Ordinance. (passed)5–0

   #Chapter 17, Article 3 (Firefighters Retirement System)#Ordinance No. 2024-2283#Section 17-36#Section 17-39#Section 17-42#Section 17-50.1

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   [00:26:48] The second reading of ordinance number 242283, amendment to the firefighters pension ordinance. [00:26:57] This is ordinance number 20242283, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:27:03] providing for amendment of Article 3 of Chapter 17 of the Code of Ordinances of the city of New Port Richey [00:27:07] pertaining to the firefighters retirement system, providing for amendment of Section 17-36, [00:27:12] definitions, providing for amendment of Section 17-39, finances and fund management, [00:27:17] providing for amendment of Section 17-42, pre-retirement death, [00:27:21] providing for amendment of Section 17-50.1, minimum distribution of benefits, [00:27:26] providing for severability of provisions, providing for codification, [00:27:29] repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing an effective date. [00:27:34] Do we have any public comment on this one? [00:27:38] Seeing no one come forward, we'll bring it back to council for approval or vote. [00:27:44] I'll make a motion to approve. [00:27:46] Second. [00:27:49] Any conversation? [00:27:50] Do you like this? [00:27:51] No, sir. [00:27:52] We've been over this. [00:27:57] All those in favor? [00:27:59] Aye. [00:28:00] Those opposed? [00:28:01] Five zip. [00:28:02] Moving on to the second ordinance. [00:28:04] Second reading of Ordinance 2024-2284, amendments to the police pension ordinance. [00:28:11] This is Ordinance No. 2024-2284, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:28:16] providing for amendment of Article 4 of Chapter 17 of the Code of Ordinances of the city of New Port Richey [00:28:21] pertaining to the police officer's retirement system, [00:28:24] providing for amendment of Subsection A of Section 17-51, definitions, to amend the definition of salary, [00:28:31] providing for amendment of Subsection 6 of Section 17-54, finances and fund management, [00:28:36] pertaining to overpayments and underpayments, [00:28:39] providing for amendment of Subsection C of Section 17-57, pre-retirement death, [00:28:44] pertaining to the required distribution date, [00:28:47] providing for amendment of Subsection G of Section 17-58, [00:28:51] pertaining to minimum benefit under workers' compensation offset, [00:28:55] providing for amendment to Subsection B of Section 17-65.1, [00:29:00] minimum distribution of benefits pertaining to the required distribution date, [00:29:04] providing for the addition of Subsection J to Section 17-65.2, [00:29:09] miscellaneous provisions pertaining to in-service distributions, [00:29:12] providing for codification, providing for severability of provisions, [00:29:15] repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing an effective date. [00:29:20] Are there any public comment on this? [00:29:24] Seeing no one come forward, we'll bring it back for a vote. [00:29:27] I move we approve. [00:29:28] Second. [00:29:35] All right, all those in favor, signify by saying aye. [00:29:38] Aye. [00:29:39] Those opposed? [00:29:40] We have five to go. [00:29:41] All right, moving on to the second reading of the ordinance, [00:29:45] 2024-2285, Modification of the Solid Waste Collection System. [00:29:50] This is Ordinance No. 2024-2285, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:29:54] providing for amendment of Chapter 10 of the New Port Richey Code of Ordinances, [00:29:58] pertaining to solid waste collection. [00:30:00] waste collection, providing criteria for determining the solid waste collection fee, providing

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10. 8.b

    Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2284: Amendments to Police Pension Ordinance

    Staff presented the second reading of Ordinance 2024-2284 with minor and major changes from the first reading, including updates to the definition of solid waste and modifications to commercial billing procedures based on discussions with the solid waste hauler. The transcript cuts off before any vote is recorded.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2284

    👤Mr. Rivera👤Ms. Madge#Ordinance No. 2024-2284#Section 10-24 duties of collector#solid waste collection service fee

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    [00:30:04] for collection thereof, providing for a lien of non-payment for non-payment of the fee, [00:30:08] providing for administration by the city manager, providing miscellaneous requirements, providing [00:30:12] for definition of terms, providing penalties for violation hereof, providing for enforcement, [00:30:17] providing for conflict, severability, and an effective date. [00:30:20] Ms. Madge, do you want to say anything about this before we go on? [00:30:26] Not at this point. [00:30:27] Okay. [00:30:28] I'm going to allow Mr. Rivera to start to initiate the discussion related to this agenda [00:30:34] item, and I may step in at some point, though, during his presentation. [00:30:39] Okay. [00:30:40] Thank you. [00:30:41] Please, Mr. Rivera. [00:30:42] As you're aware, the first reading of the proposed ordinance was approved by City Council [00:30:45] at your February 6th meeting. [00:30:48] We do have some minor changes for the second reading, as well as some major changes. [00:30:53] The minor ones begin on page 3, number 13, that includes changes to the definition of [00:30:59] solid waste. [00:31:01] It removes the antiquated items such as vessel, aircrafts, farm machinery, et cetera. [00:31:08] Second minor change is page 8, section 10, 24, duties of collector, property owners fees. [00:31:17] Subsection B, line 4, beginning of the second sentence, the solid waste collection service [00:31:22] fee for each property shall be determined by assessing the actual cost to the city, [00:31:29] language that was added, or solid waste collection services provider. [00:31:35] The major changes, deviations from the first reading of the ordinance are mainly commercial [00:31:43] billing based on discussions with the solid waste hauler, which provides for efficiencies, [00:31:52] consistency with current billing system process, billing in advance, the waste hauler is able [00:31:57] to make a level of service, changes the same day with no delay in billing, and expected [00:32:03] higher rate of collections. [00:32:08] So the major deviations are as follows. [00:32:11] Page 8, subsection B, line 16, second sentence, existing language, the City Council shall [00:32:17] set the rates for commercial collections for each such property. [00:32:23] We removed annually based on the most recent level of service data for each such property.

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11. 8.c

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    Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2024-2285: Modification of the Solid Waste Collection System

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    Council held the second reading of Ordinance No. 2024-2285 modifying the Solid Waste Collection System, including changes allowing WastePro to bill commercial customers directly with a 4% administrative fee, while the city continues to bill residential customers. Multiple residents spoke against the single-hauler ordinance, citing lack of public input, concerns about liens, low-income impact, and double-billing for properties with multiple dwellings.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2024-2285

    📍2940 Meadowood Drive📍5637 Georgia Avenue📍6235 Florida Avenue📍Adams Street📍Alaska Avenue📍Illinois Avenue📍Pine Hill Road📍River Road🏢Gulf Middle School🏢JD Parker🏢Parker Brothers🏢Pasco County Schools🏢Waste Management🏢WastePro👤Angela Adino Napolitano👤Charles Wyatt👤Darla Schwendemann👤Deb👤Driscoll👤George Romanyoli👤Judy Parker👤June Pearson👤Kelly👤Marlo Jones👤Mike Peters👤Peter Altman👤Rivera👤Starkey#4% commercial billing administrative fee#8% per annum interest on overdue charges#Clean Air Act#Orange Lake#Ordinance No. 2024-2285#Sims Park#franchise fee

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    [00:32:29] The city manager shall make adjustment for the rate change for any commercial collection [00:32:34] at a property where sufficient evidence is made available to the city that there has [00:32:38] been an established consistent long-term change in the level of service to the property served. [00:32:46] Page 9, subsection B, line 5, sentence, the cost of special pickups in excess of those [00:32:51] included in the residential curbside solid waste collection fee shall be determined by [00:32:57] and paid to the solid waste collection services provider. [00:33:01] We added language at the rates approved by the City Council. [00:33:07] Next sentence, same page, we added the charges for commercial collections shall be billed [00:33:12] by the solid waste collection services provider directly to the property owners provided such [00:33:18] service and solid waste collection services provider shall pay the city the franchise [00:33:24] fees applicable thereto. [00:33:28] Our next change, page 10, subsection B, billing, added language, receiving residential curbside [00:33:36] collection services, recording in public records which lien shall be priority lien of the same [00:33:42] dignity as ad valorem taxes as allowed by law, overdue charges shall be subject to interest [00:33:49] at the rate of 8% per annum. [00:33:53] Page 10, subsection D, added language to include at the rate set by the city. [00:34:01] Next sentence, all invoices for commercial collections shall be provided by the solid [00:34:05] waste collection services provider directly. [00:34:08] Any property owner receiving commercial collections shall pay the fees for such services to the [00:34:13] solid waste collection services provider upon periodic billing thereof. [00:34:19] Our last deviation that we have is page 11, subsection F, we added residential prior to [00:34:25] service interruption, added residential curbside language prior to solid waste, and added collection [00:34:32] prior to customer. [00:34:34] Those are our final changes and approval of the second reading. [00:34:37] We would recommend... [00:34:38] Deb, do you want to do like a little summary there for us with the commercial changes? [00:34:49] I mean, you're reading right out of the whole thing, but could you summarize? [00:34:55] Just in summary, in discussions with the provider, since we weren't going to put the [00:35:08] cost for service either on a tax bill or a water bill, we had some decision points to [00:35:15] make, and the fact that the service provider currently provides billing services provided [00:35:30] an opportunity for some efficiencies if we determined that it was appropriate to allow [00:35:35] them to bill. [00:35:37] They already have software, they already have billing relationships with a good number of [00:35:45] the commercial customers in the city. [00:35:49] They already bill in advance for services provided, and they also enjoy a very high [00:36:02] rate of collection on their accounts. [00:36:08] The city's original proposal was to bill in arrears, and one of the reasons that we [00:36:15] proposed to do so was because we thought it would take us some time to accommodate for [00:36:23] changes in varying alterations in service levels for the commercial businesses, and [00:36:36] there would be coordination between the service provider and the city, both in terms of change-outs [00:36:43] for service and billing for service changes. [00:36:49] WastePro very much correctly said that if they were to handle that themselves, it would [00:36:55] minimize the inconvenience to the business, and they could accommodate those changes quicker [00:37:00] both in terms of providing the appropriate pickups and dumpster sizes, and it would be [00:37:10] reflected appropriately on their bills, and there wouldn't be lag time on that as well. [00:37:18] There was another matter related to billing which needed to be addressed, and that was [00:37:27] on the amount that would be paid to WastePro for their administrative fees associated with [00:37:43] their billing and collection services, and so the city set forth to negotiate a fee that [00:37:50] was fair and equitable, and we came up with a fee of 4% on our commercial accounts, and [00:38:05] will continue to handle the residential customers, and they will pay us our franchise fee. [00:38:16] I think that helped a lot because we had discussed that earlier today, and I wanted you to kind [00:38:22] of summarize for all of us and people out there too. [00:38:25] Of course. [00:38:26] All right. [00:38:27] I'm going to have any public comment at this point. [00:38:37] June Pearson, 5637 Georgia Avenue. [00:38:42] My comments are not specifically to the point, but it's to each individual here who has been. [00:38:48] I've been here about 15 minutes, and I sat in the back. [00:38:54] Not a single person who has commented or made your presentations in the last 15 minutes [00:39:01] has been heard in the back. [00:39:03] You have all been sitting here mumbling away from the mics, and I would remind you that [00:39:09] you are public officials. [00:39:14] You are holding this meeting supposedly in the sunshine, but I would submit to you that [00:39:19] you have been in violation of it for the last 15 minutes or so. [00:39:25] We tried to get your attention in the back by holding our hands to our ears. [00:39:29] No one looked up. [00:39:31] Remember, you're here to serve the public, every single one of you. [00:39:37] Speak into the mics, sit closer or pull the mics closer to you, and do your duty as elected [00:39:43] officials in the city and as employees of the city. [00:39:49] Thank you. [00:39:52] Anybody else would like to speak on a waste hauling business item, or excuse me, ordinance? [00:40:09] You didn't hear me. [00:40:10] Pull the mics closer. [00:40:11] I'm less than six inches from the mic. [00:40:14] We still didn't understand a thing you said after you were mumbling into the mic. [00:40:20] I do have a cold. [00:40:22] I heard that. [00:40:26] Anyhow, I just ask if any public would like to speak. [00:40:33] I'm ready. [00:40:34] Go. [00:40:35] Hit it, Matt. [00:40:37] You already know my name. [00:40:38] You guys talk about me in your sleep. [00:40:41] Marlo Jones, particularly for this ordinance, I'm asking the city council members to vote down. [00:40:49] Why am I asking you to vote down on this ordinance? [00:40:52] Because we didn't ask for it. [00:40:55] Nobody asked any of you. [00:40:57] Nobody woke up and said, Kelly, we need help with our trash. [00:41:02] We want one hauler on this system because you guys are all about the environment. [00:41:07] Nobody asked you guys that. [00:41:09] And you still haven't provided the proof of all your friends that said they wanted this. [00:41:14] I'm sure most of them live on River Road. [00:41:16] How are you guys continuing to go forward with this particular ordinance when a majority of the public don't want it? [00:41:27] Week after week, we've all expressed discontent. [00:41:31] We've all told you that we've been left out of the process. [00:41:34] This is something that's been done behind closed doors. [00:41:37] There's dumpsters being put out already, so we already know how you're going to vote. [00:41:42] Everybody behind me knows how you're going to vote. [00:41:45] I just want to know how come you're not taking the advice of the people. [00:41:51] In this particular ordinance, I have a problem with the fact that you can go through people's trash. [00:41:58] If you don't believe me, won't you ask the person or somebody that James was talking about on the open mic? [00:42:06] Sorry, Michael. [00:42:08] Why don't you ask? [00:42:10] How do you have the right to go through people's trash? [00:42:13] We don't live in Russia. [00:42:15] We don't live in North Korea. [00:42:17] We live in the United States of America where we have laws. [00:42:20] Now, I know your attorney, Timmy there, likes to go with code enforcement when they go through people's trash or look at it, but we don't want it. [00:42:31] In that ordinance, you give your city manager a lot of power. [00:42:35] Peter, how much power are you guys going to give before you guys start saying maybe we should level the playing field? [00:42:42] How can one person say no or yes? [00:42:46] How does one person have so much power? [00:42:48] I don't understand that. [00:42:49] I understand that this is a city manager form of government where the mayor is a puppet, but at the end of the day, this is not what the people wanted. [00:42:58] We've expressed that to you. [00:43:00] And you all just sit there with your faces. [00:43:02] Nobody cares. [00:43:04] You all just keep saying, oh, it's great for the environment. [00:43:07] Oh, it's great. [00:43:08] Less trucks on the road. [00:43:10] Where's the surveys? [00:43:12] You want to put out a survey about euthanizing ducks, but you can't put out a survey and ask the residents maybe if we wanted this? [00:43:20] I want sidewalks for the kids on Pine Hill Road. [00:43:24] I want sidewalks in the community so kids aren't getting hit by cars and dying. [00:43:28] I got hit by a car when I was a kid. [00:43:31] That's what I want. [00:43:35] You're going to vote yes, but vote no. [00:43:41] Anybody else like to speak? [00:43:51] The city claims the need to take over the trash service and go to a single hauler because of the wear and tear on the roads, the excessive noise, the excessive exhaust, and then 1,500 residents who don't have service. [00:44:03] The concern for wear and tear on the roads was debunked by another city citizen who confirmed with the county the roads were built to sustain these trucks. [00:44:13] Additionally, we already pay an assessment for road maintenance. [00:44:17] Regarding the concern for excessive noise, I put in a public records request to see if there's any actual noise complaints related to trucks. [00:44:24] I haven't gotten anything back yet, but I imagine the answer is no. [00:44:27] Regarding the concerns for excessive pollution, Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, implemented more stringent regulation to battle diesel emissions. [00:44:37] Back in 2012, smart people up there like Mike Peters probably know that, the Clean Air Act. [00:44:43] We don't need a smaller government to over-regulate where a big government has already put in regulations. [00:44:49] Also, if there's 1,500 residents in the city dumping trash illegally, then we would look like one big giant landfill. [00:44:56] These are issues that are just made up to achieve the end result. [00:45:00] The reality is the city needs to generate more revenue and decided to take over the trash service and follow it through the city [00:45:05] But first the city needed to create a problem [00:45:08] We're in tear on roads noise pollution legal dumping and the solution was take over the trash [00:45:12] To one single hauler and then ultimately put more money back in the city's pockets forcing citizens to pay for services [00:45:18] That they don't want or might not even be able to afford [00:45:22] This eliminates the citizens right to a free market the ability to shop for the best price [00:45:26] For the best service the City Council and City Manager had decided that they know better than citizens and the taxpayers in the city [00:45:32] The City Council was voted to be the voice of the citizens not to ignore their legitimate concerns and tell us how they know better [00:45:38] I promise you don't know better for me [00:45:41] Also, this is not that this is a dictatorship what you're doing not an actual democracy [00:45:47] If the city is being sued over single hauler service takeover, then they should at least be able to confirm or deny it [00:45:54] They don't have to disclose all the details [00:45:57] What's really gonna happen is some old lady's gonna get this new bill [00:46:01] And she's not gonna know what it is because she wasn't paying attention when the mail came in and your employees are gonna say well [00:46:06] You had the ability to come talk to the City Council and voice your concerns [00:46:10] And you're gonna turn it away and expect her to pay [00:46:13] But you've seen plenty of citizens come up here and give you good reasons. I'm over here good reasons [00:46:19] why not to do this and [00:46:21] You haven't listened anyway [00:46:23] So how many citizens have to stand up here and say they don't like it? [00:46:27] They don't agree with it come up with something better or don't do it at all [00:46:31] Before you actually listen because that's what your job is to be the voice of the people [00:46:35] Not the voice of the internal room or the city manager or all the good ideas [00:46:42] When are you gonna listen to the people because that's what matters. That's what you're here for not yourself [00:46:47] That's what I fought for [00:46:48] I fought for the citizens in this country and your guys's position is to legislate and listen to the citizens [00:47:04] They shone them in 2940 Meadowood Drive [00:47:08] He couldn't say I couldn't say it better [00:47:11] other than [00:47:12] bigger power [00:47:14] More money the city's become corrupt and they become trash look at the bigger cities [00:47:32] I say all the taxpayers on this trash issue. We all get together and [00:47:38] Form a rally at Sims Park and all you guys come and listen to us because we can't fit [00:47:46] 3,000 people in this room and listen to you people lie to us [00:47:52] This is the most corrupt city and [00:47:55] Florida I don't care what anybody says and that happened when you threw three million dollars away at Orange Lake to make [00:48:03] Starkey more richer [00:48:09] You [00:48:16] George Roman Yoli 6 2 3 5 Florida Avenue [00:48:20] Ironically during this meeting I sent an email to mr. Rivera [00:48:23] And I was looking for his email address and it was about a problem. I had with a garbage hauler [00:48:29] four years ago [00:48:31] One thing that I think we're missing on this. We're creating a regulated monopoly [00:48:36] We need to make sure [00:48:39] When this is implemented that the people know their only recourse is not their hauler [00:48:44] That the recourse is the city that if the hauler screw up if they miss miss a pickup [00:48:51] You know if they don't pick up recycling yes called a hauler first, but if they don't get satisfaction [00:48:57] They can call the city [00:48:58] I think we need to emphasize that because I don't think people will realize that when we change the system [00:49:03] Because people might say well, I'm using waste management now [00:49:06] I'm gonna go to Parker Brothers because they they are Judy Parker because because they're the other ones [00:49:11] They won't have that option anymore because they don't like it. They have to have this garbage hauler, which you know I'm not as [00:49:18] Upset as some of the people in the audience about that about having a single hauler [00:49:22] being waking up at 5 30 and 6 o'clock in the mall morning with these trucks going down our streets and [00:49:28] Because I work at home [00:49:31] But I think we need to let our [00:49:34] Residents know they have another recourse that they can call [00:49:38] public works or wherever misman's [00:49:40] Wants them to call if there is a problem [00:49:42] I think that's important not part of the ordinance because you don't need this as an ordinance. This is a process. This is a procedure [00:49:48] I hope the city will adopt something and [00:49:51] I'm sure there'll be another mailing to the residents about the new garbage pickup [00:49:57] Please emphasize that point that if there's a problem, please call the city call the garbage hauler first [00:50:03] But then call the city if you don't get satisfaction [00:50:05] Thank you [00:50:09] We everybody else would like to come forward you already spoke sir you already [00:50:14] Give it give it to somebody else [00:50:16] I [00:50:24] Know I'm Darla Schwendemann with 2940 metalwood drive. I he wants to know whether or not you already have a contract [00:50:32] The other thing my mother who is in her 80s asked me, you know [00:50:36] Talk to me about this and she said that as far as the noise is concerned [00:50:40] She said there you're gonna have one truck going all day long rather than three doing it in the morning [00:50:46] So you're gonna have noise all day long [00:50:48] That was her thing that I am relaying to you. The other thing is I did bring up about the [00:50:55] Law that I said and I don't I know there may not be I didn't I heard you say that it was hearsay or whatever [00:51:02] I just want to restate it is is this law? [00:51:05] Possibly going to cause a problem where our tax money is going to go to [00:51:11] Defending this decision or not, that would be my question [00:51:21] I think we have anybody else who'd like to speak [00:51:34] Charles why it's already gave the rest of my information earlier [00:51:37] I [00:51:38] Guess I know you're not going to answer this question since we didn't just answer the question that was asked up [00:51:42] But I'm gonna go ahead and reiterate it. Anyway, my mother asked this question before [00:51:47] She has two properties or excuse me two dwellings on the same property [00:51:52] And I live in one of them and we both use the same trash [00:51:56] This has always been the setup even before I live there when my grandmother was there. This is how we did it [00:52:00] It's more convenient and quite frankly, I don't really make a lot of trash. So it's not that big a deal [00:52:05] It's just easier for us. She's asked in the past. I don't believe she's got an answer regarding the [00:52:10] potential double [00:52:12] Billing of her property [00:52:14] It is two separate parcels and we are two separate addresses. So I don't know if that's something that could be clarified [00:52:19] I don't necessarily expect an answer unfortunately [00:52:21] But if we could it would be very helpful to know are we going to be built separately for both properties? [00:52:26] Or are we going to be able to maintain what we've been doing and just have the one collection for both dwellings? [00:52:32] One dwelling is on Illinois Avenue. One is on Adams Street. I don't I would hope that doesn't make a difference [00:52:39] But this would be something that would be helpful to know it'd be a shame if that got messed with in any way [00:52:44] I do also want to [00:52:46] Point out because I've noticed through all of these talkings that we have been making a lot of notes [00:52:52] I hope we are making notes and actually taking notes of what people are saying not just you know [00:52:57] Making it look like we're doing something [00:53:00] It would just be helpful to know that we're being heard I do want to thank miss Kelly mother's head [00:53:05] I do want to thank Peter Altman [00:53:06] I do want to thank you mayor because I have seen as far as the talking it does look like you are [00:53:11] Attentive unfortunately, that does not always come through in the rulings and the votings that we get [00:53:16] But I do want to say thank you to you three in particular. It does appear that you are at least [00:53:21] Visually focused on us. I would just like more follow-through with that [00:53:25] So if it is at all possible if you want to take the last of my minute that's fine [00:53:29] Could we get a potential answer on? [00:53:32] Whether or not my mother's property will be built twice or will it be billed as one property? [00:53:40] Okay, well could we have an answer before we vote because if these people are all voting to give you that power [00:53:45] I think they should know [00:53:47] What and what exactly they're voting on I'm not familiar enough with the property to respond right now [00:53:53] But we can follow up with you tomorrow, okay [00:53:56] So is that a potential as a potential yes as far as if you're not familiar with the property? [00:54:00] You're not saying that it absolutely would not be built [00:54:04] Thank you, I think she's [00:54:06] But I don't know how many bills without looking at it. Oh, so it is a possibility that would be built twice [00:54:12] We don't we're changing the subject. I think she answered your question you you well. It's vague [00:54:17] It's vague and that's what I'm trying to pin it so she's saying she doesn't know enough about the property [00:54:21] It's going to be a committee that [00:54:23] That that looks at these different problems move different residents, and we will address those residents individually [00:54:30] Then I just ask that you please take the history of the the property and the fact that we have only been billed as one [00:54:35] J.D. Parker has always respected that I ask that you take that into account. Thank you [00:54:39] Angela Adino Napolitano, you have my address. I have my put my taxes right here [00:54:44] So what my son just said is that we have two parcels just because it's a corner lot [00:54:49] The mother-in-law cottage is on, Illinois. The main home is on main is on Adams [00:54:55] In fact, I get one water bill, which I really appreciated Peter [00:54:59] Before all this started when Mike came to me and said, you know, you know, I'm not going to do this [00:55:04] Which I really appreciated Peter [00:55:06] Before all this started when Mike wanted to put it on people's taxes, which is ridiculous and Peter said why we're gonna have a separate billing [00:55:14] Just put on the water bill because I have one water main that services [00:55:20] Both of my dwellings on Illinois and Adams you can have this information [00:55:25] I don't see anywhere in your ordinance. Does it have any kind of exception for that kind of mother-in-law cottage? [00:55:33] That again because it's a corner lot [00:55:35] It has two separate addresses because one door faces Adams and the other door faces, Illinois [00:55:41] So if you'd like to look at this before they all vote, this is something that's pretty important to me [00:55:48] I'm low-income. I receive food stamps. I work for Pasco County schools [00:55:53] So an extra bill a month could really put me in the poorhouse [00:55:57] So, do you want to see my information before they get a chance to vote and before my time is up [00:56:03] That was what I was gonna say is I have one tax bill and I have one water bill [00:56:09] and obviously we're not going to get an answer but I have had JD Parker for 20 years and only service on Adams and [00:56:15] It's also very upsetting at the special meeting when somebody had asked about the other low-income families [00:56:22] Because I already said that 85% of our children have food and stability food and security and 50 of them are homeless [00:56:29] That you haven't factored in any assistance for any low-income families [00:56:34] And the worst is that you can place a lien on people's properties after being one month late on a payment [00:56:40] I mean, they don't even shut off your electric after a month [00:56:43] There's churches that help people with that and I also noticed how you tried to squeeze in [00:56:48] 10% interest until Driscoll, I guess figured out the Florida law was only 8% [00:56:54] So I also find it very interesting that JD Parker already did start replacing dumpsters [00:57:00] In fact the one on Alaska Avenue right across the street from Gulf Middle where I work was installed on February 5th [00:57:08] So that's two weeks ago [00:57:11] How are they taking over already unless it was a done deal? So I'm kind of [00:57:17] I'm getting a little flustered up here. Obviously like we all are [00:57:22] And I just think this is another racket with one of your other code [00:57:27] Enforcements and your little puppets that drive around in their trucks so you can place liens on people [00:57:33] You I've been messed with in this town since you've been manager and Chuck Morgan came in [00:57:39] So keep it up and there'll be another lawsuit [00:57:47] Anybody else would like to speak [00:58:00] Florida statutes you got a problem [00:58:08] Okay, first of all, I put out a post about this and [00:58:12] In 48 less than 72 hours I had over [00:58:17] 5,000 views one troll that was obviously you I [00:58:22] Because I mean you even knew about some kind of conspiracy. I have never come up here and used that word, you know [00:58:30] But anyway, I out of those 5,000 I have one troll [00:58:35] You said at the last meetings that you've never had any talks with me. I [00:58:40] We even had the two of you you remember the talk in Jacob and Maria's house [00:58:45] And I have talked to you over the years many times even about [00:58:50] Organizing the churches to help some of the people with the codes [00:58:54] There are certain ways this is for the people. There are certain ways that we're addressing the councilman police on this agenda [00:59:01] We're addressing the council on this agenda. Excuse me. That's what the rules are using my time [00:59:07] Number of ways you can fight this one is by petition [00:59:11] You can we can set up a petition in which we can submit to the Attorney General as a punitive [00:59:18] Ordinance statute we can challenge this as people [00:59:22] Okay to do this another way to protect your properties is to homestead them [00:59:27] They're gonna hate that because they hate the fact that that cuts in the taxes because it will the homesteading will reduce your taxes [00:59:34] But it also gives you a lot of protection for foreclosures, which our city manager loves to do foreclosures [00:59:41] In fact, I have a a number of emails from her office bragging about the next foreclosure they can do [00:59:48] Another question I have is about what are we going to do about the yard debris? [00:59:52] There are a lot of us elderly that don't have [00:59:55] Chainsaws to cut these things down so we can put them in those paper sacks you want [01:00:00] us to do. Unfortunately, you're going to be gone. Did you qualify today? We haven't seen [01:00:04] you qualify yet. We're hoping you didn't. Name. Do you expect us to get a chainsaw? [01:00:12] I'm 78. There's no, it's not safe for me to use it. I could do it because I'm pretty healthy. [01:00:20] Or a reciprocating saw. So how are we going to chop this thing up and the branches that [01:00:25] come out in the storms to stick it out there or even drag those bags out there. They get [01:00:30] pretty heavy. So what are you going to do with all the elderly that can't handle that? [01:00:35] You know, but we can do a petition. We can claim this as punitive. And there are ways [01:00:40] to do that. Keep track of my post. Because I'm going to handle the post. That's exactly [01:00:47] how you can fight it. Anybody else like to speak on this item? [01:00:53] Um, you want to make any comments? Um, Ms. Manns before we go on? Yes, I think that'd be a good idea. [01:01:01] Let me go back a couple of pages. [01:01:22] Thank you, George, for bringing up the point, um, that you did related, um, to the city's [01:01:41] also accepting complaints. Um, and the fact that we do have penalties incorporated into [01:01:48] the contract, um, for noncompliance with contract conditions. I think that's very important [01:01:56] for residents to know. We do have planned a communication to go out to all residents [01:02:02] and members of the business community if the second reading is to go through. And that [01:02:07] is a note that we'll make sure that we include in that communication so that people are aware [01:02:14] of that. Um, and this really isn't something that the city dreamed up. All cities play [01:02:23] a role in, in waste management. It really is one of their primary responsibilities. [01:02:32] Um, taking care of trash is an essential public service. The failure not to do it is a big [01:02:39] problem in a community. Um, it's second only in my opinion to the ensuring environmental [01:02:50] responsibility in a community. The fact that we want to effectuate a system that is more, [01:03:02] um, sustainable and has benefit to residents, you can't deny, except for Mr. Nathan Pollack, [01:03:15] who we're still kind of trying to work on a little bit, that you're saving money. Um, [01:03:23] and we've, this is our 11th meeting at which time we have had discussion about solid waste [01:03:32] over the course of the last three years. So it, it hasn't been absent opportunity for [01:03:39] the public to be made fully aware of what we're doing and why we're doing it. And at [01:03:49] the last meeting, we talked in detail about the fee schedule and we talked about what [01:03:57] would have occurred if the city would not have gone out for a competitive bid and what [01:04:05] the price would have been if you were a J.D. Parker customer. And it would have been more [01:04:12] than what it is due to be under the new system. Um, so the suggestion, um, that you're not [01:04:22] getting a good deal is unfair. The fact that some people have suggested that the city has [01:04:31] initiated this program to make money, also unfair and untrue. Um, if you want to know [01:04:40] the figure, I'll tell you what it is. And for this fiscal year, the city will make $31,346. [01:04:48] Um, that's really not, um, reflective of an effort by the city to make money. [01:05:03] Excuse me. I'm sorry that I, I didn't hear the comment. I don't plan to respond to the comment. [01:05:13] Um, but it, it truly is not the intent. We've talked over and over again about what the intent [01:05:22] of the program was. And I truly believe that we built something, um, that represents the [01:05:29] community's best interests. And I feel confident in the program that we've built. It's not, [01:05:40] you know, certainly without flaw, um, that we've debated many, many times about the billing system. [01:05:50] How is it best placed? Is it best placed on the tax bill, on the water bill, on an independent [01:05:56] bill? And that I think has been the part of the program that we've spent the most time discussing. [01:06:05] It hasn't been whether or not we should go to a single hall or not. [01:06:10] Don't yell, please, ma'am. That's really inappropriate in this room. [01:06:15] Um, and that's the point about the program that has been discussed the most. It's never [01:06:26] been a question about whether or not we should leave an open market system [01:06:34] and go to a single hall or system. I haven't heard much of that. [01:06:41] I've only heard the debate among you. And that's where I take my direction from [01:06:47] is how we bill. And it, I think we've presented to you the best model for the next seven months we [01:06:56] have. Um, and I'm hopeful that I've responded to at least a few of the comments that bear a response, [01:07:08] or bear merit to a response. And there are a couple people that do need follow-up. I'm [01:07:18] mindful that my, Mr. Pollack, unfortunately was very busy this afternoon and wasn't able to [01:07:27] connect with me. Perhaps my email communication to him did not contain enough detail, but I'm [01:07:36] enough detail, but I will follow up with him again and get him the answers that he is seeking. [01:07:45] And hopefully he too will then be satisfied with the answers that WastePro has offered [01:07:53] in terms of the rates that have been established for the service to his business establishment. [01:07:59] Um, the only other thing I think that they asked was about, um, when you, um, um, have, [01:08:04] after you have a problem with the, um, the hauler, then you would come to the city [01:08:09] and how you would deal with that. Well, it depends on what type of a problem it is, [01:08:14] but there's a wide range of ways to handle it. But typically the type of problems I would expect [01:08:23] them to experience, although with very little regularity, would be a missed pick-up. [01:08:30] Um, and we would contact the waste hauler immediately who would check their trucks, [01:08:38] because they have cameras on their trucks, to find out if the address, in fact, did have out the, [01:08:46] um, deposit at their curb. If they did, they'd send their truck back. If not, [01:08:56] they'd communicate to the customer and resolve the issue. Thank you. [01:09:03] And they, they provide records to us of those calls that they receive as part of [01:09:11] a monthly communication that they're required to submit to us. [01:09:16] The other question that they had was about the suit towards us. [01:09:19] Is there anything you can talk about this? I'm working on it. Is there anything you can [01:09:24] talk to about the suit? There is no suit. Okay, there is no suit then. All right. [01:09:33] We don't have a suit. We can make things up, sir. [01:09:36] Is there a possibility? I didn't say there was a possibility. [01:09:38] Please, let us, let us have our time. Yeah, we don't, we can't, we can't tell the future. [01:09:46] Kelly, do you want to start? Or do you want to impose? First of all, do we have a, [01:09:52] do we have a move for this? I move we approve. [01:09:58] Second. Okay, um, we'll go ahead and, um, start Pete. I mean, excuse me. [01:10:05] Make, excuse my mistake, make his pitch. [01:10:10] Thank you, Mayor. Um, yeah, there's no doubt in my mind this ordinance [01:10:15] is, uh, the best thing for the city. The nine or ten. [01:10:20] Excuse me, sir. We showed you respect when you spoke. [01:10:25] I'm laughing, sir. I can laugh. This is not Stalin. [01:10:34] So again, there's no doubt that this is, uh, the best thing for the majority of the citizens. [01:10:41] Listen, you know, I've heard the nine or ten of you that talked tonight and expressed your concerns, [01:10:46] uh, regarding, um, this particular ordinance. Um, I think there was, uh, out of those, [01:10:53] there was two or three that had some specific, um, personal issues that, uh, can be resolved [01:11:00] and, and really were addressing the ordinance itself. And I think that the majority of the [01:11:06] ones that spoke today, uh, did not speak toward the ordinance. They spoke towards just, uh, [01:11:11] just trying to, uh, um, create an issue with the city trying to go on and take about its business [01:11:18] and making personal attacks to people. I think that's the majority of the people that spoke [01:11:23] today spoke in that manner. Um, the, um, the whole idea of this is that the whole idea of [01:11:32] this was to go to a single hauler. We've talked about it before. It's one of those no-brainers. [01:11:38] We can get, uh, use the, uh, economy of scales to get the best price. My numbers looking at it, [01:11:44] you know, I didn't exact, but based upon the cost of living increase, which they could put it, [01:11:49] could have put in place, um, that didn't, we negotiated it down, uh, is a result of a net [01:11:57] decrease of the citizens paying of over $100,000. Now, it doesn't sound like a lot of money, but [01:12:03] it's just not for this year, see? And, um, you know, Councilman Altman being the county knows [01:12:09] is that, hey, if you start with a basis price that's lower, in future years when the increase [01:12:15] is on a lower, the increase is on a lower number than it was initially, so it, the savings [01:12:21] drop down for this year is, will reflect going forward for years to come. Um, so, you know, [01:12:31] I just don't, you know, there's going to be, there's going to be a handful of folks that [01:12:38] this doesn't work for. It's not the best for them. They don't like it. No one, you know, [01:12:43] most people, you know, respond negatively to changes, right? Um, they're used to things. We're [01:12:49] trying to do this the best way we can. That's why, um, I still think, you know, uh, the billing on, [01:12:56] on, uh, on the, uh, ad valorem tax rolls would be best. That would have solved the one problem [01:13:04] about two dwellings and one parcel. That would have been just one bill, that would, without any [01:13:08] question. And, um, but, uh, yet we're doing it this way. That's, that's fine. Um, it's what [01:13:15] people are used to doing, paying, you know, residents are used to paying quarterly bills. [01:13:18] That's what they're going to get. Um, and, um, overall, I think it's, it's going to be a situation [01:13:24] we save on noise. We do save on wear and tear. We have increased accountability about the performance [01:13:31] and we have lower overall cost. It's, it's one of those my dad would say is a no-brainer. [01:13:38] Excuse me, sir. [01:13:45] Um, I would like to say that the, looking at this and all, and, um, in an overall picture, [01:13:52] the pros are outweighing the cons here. Um, I think overall, I think overall the [01:14:00] vast majority of citizens are going to save money. Um, and that's, and that's something we, [01:14:07] we really wanted to do. Um, when you talk about pollution and talk about the roads, [01:14:12] less wear and tear, I mean, I know my street alone, I have three to four trucks twice a week [01:14:18] running up and down my road. So that's going to go down to two trucks twice a week, [01:14:23] or one truck twice a week. Um, so that's got to help with wear and tear, uh, definitely. Um, [01:14:29] we're going to be more accountable with the single hauler. There's no guessing on who, [01:14:34] what company it was. Heck, I would forget who, who my carrier was sometimes, [01:14:38] because there's so many trucks up and down the road. Um, so it's going to be more accountable. [01:14:43] We know who it is. Um, and they're going to have to answer to us and there's something [01:14:47] wrong and they can't correct it. Then there's, um, stipulation of things that, you know, they can, [01:14:51] um, get in trouble for. And they know that. So they're going to make sure that they do [01:14:56] the best possible job they can. [01:15:00] Any out-of-the-way issues or things that are just out of the ordinary as far as parcels [01:15:08] and pickups and how you're going to be charged for multiple parcels or addresses, all those [01:15:17] things I think can be looked at, figured out, and everybody can come to an agreement. [01:15:24] We're not trying to just give people a hard time and make their life miserable and charge [01:15:29] them extra trash. [01:15:30] I mean, that's just not what our goal is. [01:15:36] Our billing system, we have the opportunity to change that next year if it doesn't work [01:15:41] out for the best. [01:15:43] Right now, I feel like we need to go with staff's recommendation on doing the separate [01:15:47] billing, not on the water bill. [01:15:49] And like I said, we can come back to it and address it next year and change it if we want [01:15:53] as a council. [01:15:56] So we can always come back and revisit that. [01:16:01] I feel confident that we can address the issues with Mr. Pollack and get that situated. [01:16:07] I want to make sure I stay on that and make sure that we can do that so everybody can [01:16:14] be happy. [01:16:16] I just think we've talked about it, we've talked about it, I think it's just the time [01:16:21] now we need to go ahead and move forward. [01:16:25] We made the best possible decision we can right now, and if we need to change it later, [01:16:30] then we can change it. [01:16:32] Okay, here we go. [01:16:39] So I understand what it feels like to not be listened to. [01:16:47] I heard that we've had 11 meetings, and Mr. Murphy, when you made the comment that we [01:16:56] should go with staff's recommendation, it put me back to a comment made by our city [01:17:01] manager that it's not her, it's us, it's our will that she's serving and it's what we want [01:17:06] to do. [01:17:09] I've made it clear a long time ago that I had knowledge of this. [01:17:14] You have all ignored me completely to that level, and you've agreed with the staff. [01:17:20] So Laurie Baker came to this meeting and said, I have something a little different because [01:17:26] we're all worried about whether one guy gets his thing or somebody who would have also [01:17:31] only had one bill from the water bill as well as the other bill who says, you know, gives [01:17:36] us an opportunity to defend something that was done poorly, and to your defense, Councilman [01:17:44] Peters, you've been asking for this for four years. [01:17:47] You're at the end of your term, and here we are in what is really a mess, and I feel sorry [01:17:53] for the fact that you are at this point of a four-year term dealing with such difficulty [01:18:01] because we've done a lot of good things in your time here, and I appreciate being with [01:18:04] you. [01:18:05] The reality is we had a notice that was sent to the public without ever having any discussion [01:18:14] at this dais to do it, to advise of a public hearing because we missed the trim notice [01:18:21] when we could have put it on the trim notice. [01:18:23] So A, we started spending money to catch up from behind, and I said at the time, we didn't [01:18:28] have time to do this. [01:18:31] Nobody listened, and you forced it into it, and that's why we're in this situation right [01:18:34] now. [01:18:36] Now, I think that I voted for J.D. Parker, and I think you may be correct when you corrected [01:18:40] me on the vote that day because I did vote for them because they had come in with a low [01:18:45] bid, their local firm, and we all like J.D. Parker. [01:18:50] And so I want to make it clear that I'm excited to have J.D. Parker being our garbage hauler. [01:18:59] But Laurie Baker came in and said, well, she wanted to ask something different, which is, [01:19:04] how is this going to affect the city? [01:19:08] And that was my concern, which I made to all of you. [01:19:10] And I don't know where you feel, Mr. Murphy, that you should go with the staff's recommendation [01:19:15] on the collection because it's wrong. [01:19:19] So what did we find out that was sent after we asked? [01:19:22] What did we collect last year? [01:19:24] The whole amount of money the city collected from the garbage in the old way we did it [01:19:28] was $207,000. [01:19:32] Now this year, with this system, as it's been estimated to you all at the last meeting [01:19:37] that I printed out, the net operating revenue for an entire year is $116,000. [01:19:46] So this process not only is creating animosity in the community, but we're losing $85,000 [01:19:55] to do it. [01:19:57] Now you tell me how that figures. [01:19:58] So either our numbers are wrong because we're collecting less on a 10% franchise fee than [01:20:04] we got last year. [01:20:05] So I'm guessing our numbers are wrong. [01:20:08] But even so, by this discussion of spending $94,000 of the city's tax money, of our tax [01:20:18] money that we had $200,000 of last year, so we can only have $106,000, that's bad business. [01:20:26] And here we are being accused by the public of making money. [01:20:29] So good news. [01:20:31] We're not making money. [01:20:32] We're losing money. [01:20:34] That's bad news. [01:20:36] And it's been said that this was your advice of staff. [01:20:41] And I've asked over and over again, what would it cost to put it on the water bill? [01:20:46] And what was the answer? [01:20:47] Well, there's seven zones. [01:20:50] And the answer was, this motherhead, the answer was, we don't have to go to any trouble [01:20:57] to put that monthly fee on the water bill. [01:21:01] It's a simple call. [01:21:02] It's a two-hour call. [01:21:04] And it may be a few thousand dollars. [01:21:06] So this is bad administrative advice. [01:21:12] We're going to lose money. [01:21:14] And I know that when I was on the phone, you were commenting it wasn't $100,000, it wasn't [01:21:18] $90,000. [01:21:20] But it's right here that we're spending $95,000. [01:21:25] And the residents are going to make out all right. [01:21:30] And all of that being said, we just made a bad business deal. [01:21:34] But there is a question about any potential liability. [01:21:40] So I'm going to ask, while we're on this topic, not whether or not there's a lawsuit, but [01:21:45] whether or not the city feels that it is clear of any liability to proceed forward, given [01:21:53] the current law. [01:21:55] Can you answer that? [01:21:56] All I can say is that we received a claim. [01:21:59] We will defend it. [01:22:00] And there's been no lawsuit filed. [01:22:03] But there is the potential for a liability. [01:22:05] Right. [01:22:06] Absolutely. [01:22:07] Thank you. [01:22:08] All right. [01:22:09] So I'm sorry to Parker. [01:22:11] I had said at the last meeting. [01:22:15] Thank you for being part of Chasco Fiesta. [01:22:17] This has got nothing to do with you all. [01:22:21] I've suggested potential solutions. [01:22:24] But because it's last minute, because the whole city's up in arms, because nobody knows [01:22:28] who's going to collect the garbage the next time, we're in a complete mess. [01:22:34] And so I can't vote for the motion. [01:22:38] That is it. [01:22:41] Thank you. [01:22:48] At least for purposes of the record, I have to at least suggest that it's true that Councilman [01:23:01] Altman has been consistent in his recommendation that we establish the cost for solid waste [01:23:13] charges on the water bills. [01:23:16] And he's also asked several times about the amount of debt that is uncollected on water [01:23:25] accounts and what percentage of it is attributed to renters. [01:23:31] Because that's been some of the apprehension about putting solid waste charges also on [01:23:41] the bills for water. [01:23:47] And it's actually 70% of the bills of the indebtedness is in the name of renters. [01:23:58] So if at some point we do decide that it would be appropriate to put it on water bills, it

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12. 9.a

    2024 Fitzgeralds's St. Patrick's Day Event Railroad Square Alcoholic Beverage Application

    approved

    Council reviewed and approved Fitzgerald's annual St. Patrick's Day event request for Railroad Square usage and an alcoholic beverage special events application for March 15-17, 2024, with beer and wine sales during specified hours. Council noted the event coincides with the Chasco Fiesta car show.

    • motion:Approve the Railroad Square usage and alcoholic beverage special events application for Fitzgerald's St. Patrick's Day event March 15-17, 2024. (passed)

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    [01:24:10] might be that we need to transfer the name of the accounts to owners. [01:24:18] And that might help mitigate some of the problems that we might encounter as part of that. [01:24:26] And I additionally want to suggest that we're not really as far down in franchise fees as [01:24:38] what was stated by Councilman Altman. [01:24:42] I don't know what, you may not be looking at a current sheet, we've learned some information [01:24:51] about commercial accounts perhaps since that was issued. [01:24:55] There's a few more commercial accounts than what has been reported to you previously. [01:25:04] And we're actually much closer to $200,000 minus whatever administrative charges we would [01:25:10] have, which is reduced because we're not doing as much of the billing ourselves, just so [01:25:18] you know. [01:25:19] Thank you. [01:25:20] And we can give you an updated sheet. [01:25:21] All right, so I just want to say I pretty much agree with what Councilman Murphy had [01:25:28] to say. [01:25:29] I think that the one hauler, the reasons that we got into wanting to do the one hauler are [01:25:34] still the right thing to do. [01:25:36] I do think we're going to have some billing that we're still going to have to address [01:25:40] at a later time. [01:25:44] And if that comes up, I think we will have to do that. [01:25:47] I'm pretty confident that the exceptions will be addressed and that we'll be able to handle [01:25:51] those things that are one-offs, like the two parcels on one property, getting one bill [01:25:56] versus two. [01:25:57] I think we can handle all of that. [01:26:00] But I think at this point, it's the right thing to do. [01:26:05] A lot of the discussion here is on particular situations. [01:26:12] And I think every one of those particular situations will be addressed individually. [01:26:16] While we're talking about 97, 98 percent of the people in town are happy with the system, [01:26:21] they also see that there's going to be a six-plus percent decrease in their cost of [01:26:30] their services. [01:26:31] There's only going to be, maybe I'm wrong, let's say it's even five percent that have [01:26:35] a problem. [01:26:36] We'll address those problems. [01:26:38] But I also want to use a word that you people have all used in your life, and this is a [01:26:42] pilot program. [01:26:44] There'll be corrections in the pilot program. [01:26:46] There'll be opportunities to address each person's problem. [01:26:51] And we'll have people that will be able to address that, whether it's actually with J.D. [01:26:55] Parker or whether it's with the city. [01:26:57] But these problems will be addressed. [01:26:59] We've already been talking to Mr. Pollack in his situation. [01:27:05] So we haven't pushed anybody away, thrown anybody under the bus or anything of that [01:27:09] sort. [01:27:10] We're actually working with them. [01:27:11] So our doors are open. [01:27:13] Remember, we work for the public. [01:27:14] I understand sometimes when you people get up and talk to us, some of them get up, not [01:27:18] all of you. [01:27:19] Sometimes when you people get up and talk to us, you think it's we're your enemy or [01:27:22] something. [01:27:23] We're not. [01:27:24] We're elected by you, and we're here to do this. [01:27:26] And we feel, and we've been, like you said, three years, we've been going to 11 meetings [01:27:29] on this. [01:27:30] And here we're down to the end, and there's no mass mob here, no big petition that could [01:27:37] have been going on for three years and probably would have shut the whole program down. [01:27:41] So I like the way that we presented it to the city, the city residents. [01:27:45] We've listened to you. [01:27:46] We're still going to listen to you after this vote. [01:27:49] But we want to move on, and we want this program to grow. [01:27:52] We want the opportunity to keep the city clean, keep the city in the way you like it. [01:27:58] So I'm going to vote for this. [01:28:01] So we can move for approval. [01:28:04] All those in favor? [01:28:05] Say aye. [01:28:06] Aye. [01:28:07] Aye. [01:28:08] Those opposed? [01:28:09] No. [01:28:10] Okay. [01:28:11] We have a four to one vote. [01:28:12] Elections are coming. [01:28:13] Elections are coming. [01:28:15] So anyhow, moving on to business items, 2024 Fitzgerald St. Patrick's Day Railroad Square [01:28:23] Athletic Beverages application. [01:28:27] Yes, sir. [01:28:31] Mr. Julian will represent the annual request by Fitzgerald to conduct a St. Patrick's Day [01:28:42] event. [01:28:43] Thank you, City Manager Manz. [01:28:45] Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. [01:28:48] The request before the City Council this evening is to review the Railroad Square usage and [01:28:53] alcoholic beverage special events application for the Fitzgerald St. Patrick's Day event. [01:28:59] This event will take place March 15th, 16th, and 17th. [01:29:03] The special events team met to review the Railroad Square usage and alcoholic beverage [01:29:06] special events applications for the Fitzgerald St. Patrick's Day event on January 30th. [01:29:13] This is an annual event held by the downtown business owner. [01:29:17] Fitzgerald has requested beer and wine to be sold in Railroad Square as follows. [01:29:22] Friday, March 15th from 3.30 to 10.30 p.m. [01:29:25] Saturday, March 16th from 5 p.m. to 12 a.m. [01:29:30] And Sunday, March 17th from 11 a.m. to 12 a.m. [01:29:34] A map denoting the locations of where beer and wine will be sold is included in your [01:29:39] packets. [01:29:40] Fitzgerald is an establishment that is licensed to sell alcoholic beverages on the establishment's [01:29:46] premises and is requesting to utilize Railroad Square per the site map. [01:29:51] The recommendation before the City Council is to approve the Railroad Square usage and [01:29:55] alcoholic beverage special events application for Fitzgerald St. Patrick's Day event. [01:30:00] Thank you, and I can answer any questions that you may have at this time. [01:30:04] Do we have any public comment on this? [01:30:13] Okay, I think it's working. [01:30:14] I think that's great. [01:30:16] I think it's great. [01:30:17] We should go ahead and approve that. [01:30:19] Let's do that. [01:30:20] But also, let's make sure. [01:30:24] Are you all listening? [01:30:30] Let's make sure that we tell the truth. [01:30:33] I just received a text message that there is possible pending litigation. [01:30:41] Excuse me. [01:30:42] We're dealing with this. [01:30:43] Mike, happy retirement. [01:30:45] James, your $9 million assets. [01:30:48] Thank you, sir. [01:30:49] We're staying on this item. [01:30:51] Thank you, sir. [01:30:52] I appreciate it, Alfred. [01:30:53] Elections are coming. [01:30:55] Excuse me, sir. [01:31:06] Excuse me, sir. [01:31:07] Anybody else like to speak on the Fitzgerald St. Patty's Day event? [01:31:17] Yeah, I'd like to add something to 6014. [01:31:22] I think you all are doing a great job. [01:31:24] It's not utopia. [01:31:26] Downtown looks great. [01:31:29] As far as going back to the garbage, I think it's a great idea. [01:31:33] J.D. Parker is awesome. [01:31:36] I like railroad square a lot, and Fitzgerald does a great job. [01:31:42] I want to tell you guys you do a great job. [01:31:44] Thank you. [01:31:45] Thank you. [01:31:47] Thank you. [01:31:53] Anybody else like to speak? [01:31:56] Move approval of the application. [01:31:58] Second. [01:31:59] Any other comments up here? [01:32:01] Only that it's going to be one heck of a weekend, I think. [01:32:03] Wow. [01:32:04] Because that's the beginning of Chasko Fiesta. [01:32:06] It's a little car show that day. [01:32:07] Car show on Sunday. [01:32:10] We'll have record crowds, I'm guessing, everywhere. [01:32:13] I think this might be close to 20 years. [01:32:16] Do you know? [01:32:18] It's real close to 20 years. [01:32:20] Don't know that. [01:32:21] So based on this request, Mayor, I'd like to extend thanks both to the city manager [01:32:29] and the Chasko committee, and particularly the committee on the Chasko who is coordinating the car show. [01:32:40] There were some date changes for Chasko this year for various different reasons and so forth, [01:32:44] and it turns out now the car show wounds up on St. Paddy's Day, [01:32:48] and there's a great demand for the real estate downtown. [01:32:53] And there was really some potential conflicts in that, [01:32:58] and I appreciate those that were at play to negotiate and figure out. [01:33:05] I think the police department and public works and everybody's kind of involved in working that out, [01:33:10] so it's going to be a good thing for everybody. [01:33:12] So I appreciate you all's work on that. [01:33:18] I don't have anything to add. [01:33:19] Nope, they do a great job out there, so it's going to be a fun weekend.

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13. 9.b

    Request to Purchase Universal Forensic Extraction Device (UFED) from Cellebrite Inc.

    approved

    Council approved a sole source purchase of the Universal Forensic Extraction Device (UFED) from Cellebrite Inc. for $100,000, along with a corresponding budget amendment allocating $50,000 each from the USDOJ grant and FDOE SAFE grant to the police budget. The device will allow in-house digital forensic extraction from phones and computers, with training included for four officers.

    • motion:Approve the sole source purchase of the Cellebrite UFED for $100,000 and the corresponding budget amendment allocating $50,000 from the USDOJ grant and $50,000 from the FDOE SAFE grant to the 23-24 police budget. (passed)5–0

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    [01:33:22] Yeah, Fitzgerald's been doing this for many, many years, [01:33:25] and they've kind of streamlined it so they know what they're doing, and it's always a great event. [01:33:29] And I understand close to 350 cars, Pete? [01:33:33] I think it's probably 400. [01:33:36] I don't know. [01:33:37] We'll find out. [01:33:39] All right. [01:33:40] All those in favor? [01:33:41] Aye. [01:33:42] Those opposed? [01:33:43] So it's 5-0. [01:33:44] Moving on, request to purchase a universal forensic extraction device from Cellular Bright, Inc. [01:33:53] Yes, Chief Cochin, please. [01:33:55] Could you represent the agenda item? [01:33:59] So this is a request to purchase what's called the universal forensic extraction device. [01:34:04] We call it UFED from Cellular Bright, Incorporated. [01:34:07] Why don't you guys move down here so you can hear? [01:34:09] If you sit up here, you can probably hear better. [01:34:11] Well, we're trying to, but apparently it's not coming back there. [01:34:14] It's really hard to get up here and yell when we're trying to have a conversation, so it's hard. [01:34:18] It's difficult. [01:34:20] It just might be easier if you move up here. [01:34:21] You'll be able to hear. [01:34:26] Okay, we'll continue on. [01:34:28] So the request for City Council is to approve the sole source purchase of the UFED in the amount of $100,000. [01:34:36] Also, we're asking you to approve the corresponding budget amendment that allocates $50,000 from the USDOJ grant [01:34:43] and $50,000 from the FDOE SAFE grant to the 23-24 police budget for the purchase of the Cellular Bright UFED digital device. [01:34:52] On October 17th, the City Council approved the FDOE SAFE grant for fentanyl eradication in the amount of $99,364. [01:35:00] Additionally, on November 7th, 2023, the City Council approved the USDOJ grant [01:35:05] for reducing violent crime through technology in the amount of $183,120. [01:35:10] Both grants apply $50,000 each for the purchase of the UFED. [01:35:16] Again, this device enables us, and it's a very sophisticated device, [01:35:20] to extract and analyze digital information from computers, cell phones, and other digital devices [01:35:25] that are used in committing major crimes and drug offenses. [01:35:28] Currently, if we had to do this, we'd have to send it off to FDOE's lab, and it could take months. [01:35:33] The UFED does it in a matter of an hour, if that. [01:35:37] So this is a big, great technology tool for the police department. [01:35:41] It will greatly enhance our ability to investigate these major types of crimes. [01:35:45] Most smaller agencies do not have devices like this, so this is a big win. [01:35:49] I will say Cell Bright is the sole manufacturer of the UFED, which makes it sole source. [01:35:55] So the recommendation is approve the sole source purchase of the Cell Bright UFED digital distraction device [01:36:01] in the amount of $100,000. [01:36:03] Also approve the corresponding budget amendment that allocates $50,000 from each grant to the police budget [01:36:09] so we can purchase the Cell Bright UFED. [01:36:12] I'll answer any questions that you may have. [01:36:16] Do we have any public comment on this? [01:36:19] Seeing no one come forward, come bring it back for approval, for a vote. [01:36:24] I move to approve. [01:36:26] Second. [01:36:28] Anything we can do with our police force and technology and helping them do a better job, I'm all for. [01:36:35] Chief, so I understand this equipment will be in-house, right? [01:36:39] Correct. [01:36:40] And we'll have, I assume, some special-size training in utilizing it? [01:36:45] That's part of the purchasing package. [01:36:47] We'll train four people. [01:36:48] Okay, thank you. [01:36:51] Sounds good. [01:36:53] That's good. [01:36:54] I have nothing more. [01:36:55] All those in favor? [01:36:56] Aye. [01:36:57] Those opposed? [01:36:58] It's five-nothing.

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14. 9.c

    2023 RAC Activity Pool Resurfacing Project Close Out

    approved

    Council approved a deductive change order of $10,271.34 and final pay request not to exceed $97,166.16 for All Miller Pools, LLC for the 2023 RAC Activity Pool resurfacing project. The project included tile replacement, inlet grates, outlet covers, and painting of the fish slide and mushroom feature.

    • motion:Approve the deductive change order of $10,271.34 and final pay request not to exceed $97,166.16 for the 2023 RAC Activity Pool Resurfacing Project. (passed)5–0

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    [01:37:00] Moving on to 2023 Activity Tools resurfacing project closeout. [01:37:08] This is a project that Robert has been responsible for the administration on, and he'll be representing the agenda item to you. [01:37:15] Thank you, Ms. Manns. [01:37:17] This item for your review and consideration for approval is the attached deductive change order. [01:37:23] This is in the amount of $10,271.34, and then the final pay request in the amount not to exceed $97,166.16. [01:37:36] This is submitted by All Miller Pools, LLC. [01:37:40] The typical pool resurfacing occurs every eight to 12 years. [01:37:45] The RAC Center's activity pool was applied 15 years ago. [01:37:51] Additional elements to the project other than the resurfacing were the replacement of existing tiles where needed, [01:37:58] the replacement of existing inlet grates, outlet covers, and then the painting of the existing fish slide and the mushroom feature. [01:38:07] This project was included in your capital improvement program with funding identified in that program as well. [01:38:16] And so we would recommend that you approve the deductive change order as well as the final pay request. [01:38:23] Any public comment on this? [01:38:26] Bring it back for a vote. [01:38:29] Move approval. [01:38:31] Second. [01:38:33] Deep. [01:38:36] I'm fine with it, thank you. [01:38:38] Good. [01:38:42] I don't know what a mushroom, whatever it is, is anyhow. [01:38:46] All those in favor, signify by aye. [01:38:48] Aye. [01:38:49] Those opposed, five nothing. [01:38:51] Moving on to Francis Avenue Park Boardwalk Project Engineering Services Task Order number 24001.

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15. 9.d

    Frances Ave. Park Boardwalk Project – Engineering Services Task Order No. 24-001

    approved

    Council considered Task Order No. 24-001 with Ayers Associates for $92,995 in engineering services for the Frances Avenue Park Boardwalk Project, which includes a boardwalk along the river, sidewalks, lighting, benches, landscaping, and ADA-compliant playground equipment. After discussion about project priorities, maintenance costs, and design alternatives, the task order was approved 5-0.

    • motion:Motion to deny the task order for the Frances Avenue Park Boardwalk Project. (failed)
    • vote:Motion to approve Task Order No. 24-001 with Ayers Associates for $92,995 in engineering services for the Frances Avenue Park Boardwalk Project. (passed)5–0

    📍Congress Street📍Frances Avenue Park📍Orange Lake🏢Ayers Associates, Incorporated🏢Gulf High School🏢Kiwanis Club👤Billy Phillips👤Councilman Altman👤Councilman Peters👤Mike👤Mr. Rivera#ADA-compliant playground equipment#Capital Improvement Plan#Great Preserve#Penny for Pasco funding#Task Order No. 24-001

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    [01:39:00] All right, Mr. Rivera. [01:39:01] Thank you. [01:39:02] This task order is from Ayers Associates, Incorporated. [01:39:05] This is for engineering services in an amount not to exceed $92,995. [01:39:13] This is for the proposed 2024 Francis Avenue Park Boardwalk Project. [01:39:18] The project includes the construction of a boardwalk along the park's river edge from the north boundary of the park south to the existing kayak launch. [01:39:30] In addition, sidewalks are proposed to connect the existing sidewalks in the park to the constructed boardwalk. [01:39:37] In addition, decorative lighting, fixtures, benches, irrigation, landscape elements are included. [01:39:44] And then finally, we also have several ADA-compliant playground equipment structures that will be installed at the existing playground. [01:39:53] If you recall, this was from a $20,000 donation from the Kiwanis Club that the city accepted earlier this summer. [01:40:03] Funding is identified as penny for pasco dollars, and staff would recommend the approval of this task order. [01:40:10] Do we have any public comment? [01:40:13] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back for a vote. [01:40:17] I move to deny. [01:40:22] Do we have a second? [01:40:26] Do we have a vote or a nominee? [01:40:30] Move we approve. [01:40:32] Do we have a second? [01:40:34] I'll second. [01:40:38] Go ahead, Mike. [01:40:41] Yeah, I don't understand the councilman's reluctance in this project. [01:40:46] You know, the city has, you know, nine parks that front the waterway in the city. [01:40:59] See if you can, in your own minds, if you can name what they are. [01:41:04] And Francis Park is a wonderful park and a good location, probably underutilized. [01:41:11] It's a great place to launch kayaks that can go upriver all the way up to the Great Reserve. [01:41:18] Less traveled, not much boat traffic. [01:41:21] If you've never been that way, you need to do it. [01:41:24] It'll be a trip through back in time. [01:41:27] You expect to see a dinosaur once you get back in there. [01:41:30] It looks that primitive. [01:41:33] The adding, the addition of the boardwalk in that area, I think it will make it more attractive. [01:41:42] I would expect that, you know, we've had, we don't have an overwhelming amount of people with kayaks and stand-up paddle boards. [01:41:52] You know, good weather, they come out more. [01:41:55] But that would be another spot for attractive views to deploy there and to launch. [01:42:04] And, you know, I know there's been some talk in the past about, you know, [01:42:09] that kind of a recreational center around back behind the old Gulf High School property. [01:42:16] You know, that may not necessarily be possible due to the natural shoreline there and preservation of mangroves and so forth. [01:42:24] So I think we ought to take advantage of this area to have that availability to our folks. [01:42:31] That's a great park, a lot of space. [01:42:34] The improvements we've made there already are being well utilized, and this one we can enhance it. [01:42:43] Yeah, I think that this park is well utilized. [01:42:46] And the main thing for me is that they are going to do ADA compliant playground equipment there. [01:42:52] And I think that that's awesome. [01:42:53] And it is, it's utilized, and I think that the upgrades are going to be great for that park. [01:42:59] I was looking forward to the changes there. [01:43:01] I think it's a long time past due at Francis Ave Park. [01:43:05] It's been that way since, jeez, I mean, a few changes since I was a kid. [01:43:10] But I look forward to seeing the changes. [01:43:15] So the reason I motion to deny was because, first of all, I'm excited about the playground equipment. [01:43:23] I'm excited about the park. [01:43:26] I think it's probably a good place there for a less exorbitant dog park in that area. [01:43:32] You hardly ever see anybody in that area towards Gulf High School. [01:43:37] It's a large green space, and there's no equipment or anything out there. [01:43:44] And it would probably be a good place for that. [01:43:48] I think there's never enough places for people to bring their dogs in the city. [01:43:54] But what troubles me is that when this was provided to us at the capital improvement plan, [01:44:00] which we got on the day of the public hearing to see, after I'd been asking to have us set some priorities, [01:44:10] I mentioned at the meeting that I was questioning the importance from a priority standpoint of this. [01:44:16] And I pointed out that we have been since 2013, 14, 15, when we had $200,000 towards the Great Preserve addition of the Billy Phillips-initiated Congress Street area. [01:44:36] And there's been a sign there for about three or four years. [01:44:39] And so if you look at the capital improvement plan, that Great Preserve improvement is listed as $20,000 this year for some parking entrance improvements. [01:44:52] And I know we bought some shell. [01:44:54] But the construction of the Congress Street parking entrance lands... [01:45:00] Escape Restrooms and Trails goes out three years, and it costs $1.6 million. [01:45:07] The Francis Avenue Park designed for this is listed as a $535,000 boardwalk. [01:45:16] And I would love to see a review of the bazillion peppers. [01:45:25] When you look there, that ground dives down into that area there, and I can't imagine [01:45:32] if we're going to clear it out. [01:45:37] I haven't heard anything about it, and once again, you know, when we did the dog park [01:45:43] over in the meadows, it turned from we need a dog park to a pretty urban park. [01:45:49] Francis Avenue would be a great place also for Pickleball and some other things, so my [01:45:53] purpose for denying it is not to just pass this off to be designed as a boardwalk. [01:46:00] We have been informed of the extra costs of the boardwalk around Orange Lake with the [01:46:05] ducks and the things that are on it. [01:46:07] Boardwalks have a lot of maintenance. [01:46:09] Our capital improvement plan requires that there are operating costs associated with [01:46:14] those plans. [01:46:15] We've never gotten that, which is requested by the charter, so when we ask to be doing [01:46:21] a capital project, we're supposed to know how much it's going to cost to maintain it [01:46:24] when it's done. [01:46:26] I'm feeling that I can't imagine the boardwalk there. [01:46:32] I understand clearly, but if I get in the paddleboard or kayak at the edge where it [01:46:39] is now, I don't know if we're talking about relocating it. [01:46:42] I'm all for improving that area, but I'm not so sure when you get in a kayak or you go [01:46:48] down the river and you start to get to the 80 acres that the thing that really appeals [01:46:52] to people is the natural landscaping. [01:46:57] And so I don't know what the trees are. [01:47:01] I don't know how many Brazilian peppers are in there. [01:47:04] I know it dives down, and I know that every day we have police and others there because [01:47:09] it's right there with the junior high and a ton of kids that are there, including folks [01:47:17] that are coming in behind Francis Park and through Oak Ridge in that way. [01:47:23] I'm not opposed to it, but I am opposed to not seeing what something's going to look [01:47:28] like before I approve it, or to have it be preliminary analyzed, because the contract [01:47:36] in front of us calls for construction management, and that's out a year or two, and we don't [01:47:40] even know what it's going to look like. [01:47:41] So, you know, it doesn't take much to do some drawings and do some, let's see what [01:47:48] it is. [01:47:51] I've just not, I raised my question before, Councilman Peters, I just don't know if we're [01:47:57] going to clear it so it's a view on a boardwalk, but if it's a boardwalk with all of that tree [01:48:05] cover behind it, it's not really going to show the river, and it may be an attractive [01:48:14] nuisance, I don't know. [01:48:15] So what we're approving, if I'm not mistaken, is some money for engineering work and so [01:48:19] forth and design, right? [01:48:21] Ninety-some thousand. [01:48:23] Correct, and it has deliverables assigned to it, so while you may approve it now, as [01:48:30] the consultant shows you a couple options, if you decide that that's not the direction [01:48:36] that you want to go, then you have every right to instruct the city manager to tell staff [01:48:42] to cease with the project, with the progress of it. [01:48:47] Or modify it, correct, so the point being is, you know, sometimes we move at the speed [01:48:52] of government, right? [01:48:55] You know, I just think that park has a lot of potential, it's got the waterfront, and [01:48:59] we need to do something. [01:49:00] So we approve the funding, we get it started, and we sludge it as we go, and I don't know [01:49:06] that there's ever been a project started that wasn't looked at carefully and modified to [01:49:12] some degree at first glance, but let's get going, because otherwise it's just another [01:49:20] year and then another year, and then pretty soon four years go by and you're finally getting [01:49:25] your trash picked up, right? [01:49:27] So, anyway. [01:49:28] I can be convinced. [01:49:31] I wish it wasn't called a boardwalk project, because the most exciting things may be not [01:49:36] the boardwalk, and I think we should see the options for how that park could be developed, [01:49:41] so if you all are inclined to consider that, I'll vote for the motion. [01:49:47] Thank you. [01:49:48] I think this is just the first step. [01:49:49] Anything else? [01:49:50] No. [01:49:51] I just want to say that I felt that there's an opportunity there to take middle school [01:49:59] kids and send them on the right direction as they go home, you know, so I'm looking [01:50:04] forward to whatever we do there. [01:50:05] Maybe this will help spark some programs that go there after school, you know, put on by [01:50:11] our rec center instead of them just hanging out and smoking cigarettes or whatever else [01:50:17] they're doing there. [01:50:18] But anyhow, I think there's just a great opportunity to help middle school kids, you know, on their [01:50:22] way home. [01:50:23] Thank you. [01:50:24] So, anyhow, all those in favor, signify by aye. [01:50:28] Aye. [01:50:29] Those opposed? [01:50:30] So we have five nothing. [01:50:32] Okay, rejection of bids for ITB 24-005 WWTP oxidation ditch number three. [01:50:41] That must be Robert, too. [01:50:43] Robert, I see you shop again. [01:50:45] Thank you. [01:50:46] We had three bids that, or I'm sorry, we had four bids that were submitted to the city. [01:50:52] They did range from $269,000 to a high of $760,605. [01:51:01] We did have discussions with the low bidder. [01:51:04] Low bidder had indicated that they did not include the protective coating element to [01:51:09] the project in their bid. [01:51:11] When we reached out to the other bidders, a lot of them said there was some confusion [01:51:18] as far as not understanding the allowance in the ITB as far as they thought they had [01:51:26] to stick with a couple of the materials that were called out. [01:51:30] They didn't understand that they could submit another product that was of equal or better [01:51:36] specifications associated with that. [01:51:40] And so we feel like if we can go ahead and have you all approve the rejection of all [01:51:45] of the bids, we'd be able to re-bid and take and maybe have that disparity, that wide range [01:51:52] of bids reduced to where they're a little bit closer and maybe have better competition [01:51:58] on the next bid go-round. [01:52:01] So with that, we would ask that you reject the bids. [01:52:04] And better understanding. [01:52:06] They would have better understanding. [01:52:07] Correct. [01:52:08] Yeah. [01:52:09] Do we have any public comment on this? [01:52:11] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back for a vote. [01:52:17] Move for approval? [01:52:18] I'll second. [01:52:19] Any comment? [01:52:20] Nope. [01:52:21] Nope. [01:52:22] It's all good. [01:52:23] What kind of timetable, Robert, would we have on a re-bid on this project, do you think? [01:52:33] We would have a re-bid of 30 days and then we would be able to take and review. [01:52:39] So we would be looking at probably two more weeks added on to the 30 days. [01:52:45] Pete? [01:52:47] I'm with you. [01:52:51] Spend our money wisely, is my comment. [01:52:54] All those in favor? [01:52:55] Aye. [01:52:56] Aye. [01:52:57] Those opposed? [01:52:58] We have five nothing. [01:52:59] Communications, we'll start with you, Kelly. [01:53:02] There was so much that happened, I have to go back and look at my notes. [01:53:09] So I just want to address first the comment that Shaniki Whiting made in the beginning, [01:53:14] talking to me personally, which I hope that you would stop that in the future because [01:53:19] we really can't have that. [01:53:22] I felt like I was being bullied and really didn't appreciate that. [01:53:26] I think that we have to be professional up here, but everybody that addresses us needs [01:53:30] to be professional as well. [01:53:32] And I'm really not going to address or meet somebody that's going to be unprofessional. [01:53:38] I don't really understand what she was talking about, so I can't really speak on that because [01:53:43] I don't know what she was talking about. [01:53:46] But I wanted to also mention the sign. [01:53:50] The sign is going to be beautiful. [01:53:51] I'm so glad that that got started. [01:53:52] I can't wait for the sign to be finished. [01:53:54] So I wanted to say that too. [01:53:58] And I did speak to a couple of my neighbors tonight. [01:54:03] And yes, they're River Road neighbors, but I happen to live on River Road, so that's [01:54:06] where my neighbors live. [01:54:08] But I did speak to a few about the single hauler, and nobody was upset that we were [01:54:12] moving forward with the single hauler, if that's what we voted on to do tonight. [01:54:16] So I do just want to say that. [01:54:18] I don't have a list of names that I spoke with tonight, but I did speak with several [01:54:21] of my neighbors. [01:54:22] That's all I have. [01:54:23] That's all your notes? [01:54:24] That's all I got. [01:54:25] Well, yeah, I've got a lot of notes, but that's all I'm going to mention. [01:54:30] Matt? [01:54:31] Yeah, I just want to address, I wanted to wait until our communications about some comments [01:54:40] that Councilman Altman kind of singled me out on some things and how I felt like, you [01:54:47] know, as a body, we're not listening, but specifically, I'm not listening. [01:54:54] And specifically with the solid waste ordinance, I just take offense to that, because I think [01:55:04] of all times, I think I go along with Mr. Altman probably more than anyone else when [01:55:09] others don't. [01:55:10] I support him on many things, and specifically with the ordinance, I mean, I can remember [01:55:15] with, when we were talking about how to pay for it, how we're going to charge for it, [01:55:20] you know, we talked about the, put on the tax rolls. [01:55:25] You know, for several reasons, we felt like that was a bad idea. [01:55:28] I went along with him on that, even though that probably would be the less expensive [01:55:33] of any of the ways to collect the money, even though it would have been cheaper. [01:55:41] But because I don't necessarily agree with him on the next way to do it, I'm not listening. [01:55:48] And I find offense to that, because I do listen. [01:55:50] I listen to everybody up here. [01:55:52] I listen to staff, and I just don't appreciate that comment, to make a blanket statement [01:55:58] and, you know, I don't know, some kind of grandstanding or whatever it was, but I didn't [01:56:04] want to do that, so I waited to the end. [01:56:06] I've gone along with him, last meeting, we talked about, you know, appointing people [01:56:12] to boards, went along with him. [01:56:14] Mac and, you know, went along with him, we talked about Schwedman and things we need [01:56:18] to do with that. [01:56:19] I agree with him. [01:56:20] I support him. [01:56:21] So I just find it odd that all of a sudden I don't ever listen and don't support his [01:56:26] ideas because I think that's bull, and I do, and I take offense to that, because if you [01:56:32] have a good idea, anybody has a good idea, I'll support you and I'll help you with it, [01:56:37] and I know you're not any different than anybody else, and I know I have, so I don't appreciate [01:56:42] being singled out, like, saying something that just isn't true, because I do. [01:56:48] Thank you. [01:56:49] And, secondly, I want to bring up the subject of just overall, specifically myself, conduct [01:56:59] when we're in the building, in the chambers, you know, we have to be constantly aware of [01:57:07] what we're saying and what we're doing.

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16. 9.e

    Rejection of Bids for ITB24-005 WWTP Oxidation Ditch #3

    Item appeared on the agenda as rejection of bids for ITB24-005 WWTP Oxidation Ditch #3, but the transcript provided does not cover that topic — it captures councilmember commentary about prior items, staff communications, and the Schwettman property/school board contract. No decision on the bid rejection is captured in this excerpt.

    👤Alison Crumley#ITB24-005 WWTP Oxidation Ditch #3#Live Local Act#Schwettman (property)

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    [01:57:10] We're held to a higher standard, and when things are said and done, that reflects poorly [01:57:14] on us as a body, not necessarily individual, but the whole group. [01:57:21] So we just need to make sure that we're doing our best effort to make sure we're doing that. [01:57:28] Pete? [01:57:29] Yeah, I mean, I responded to the comment that you made that you made during your commentary [01:57:40] on that particular issue, that you agreed with the staff's recommendation, and I've [01:57:47] been very clear that I've had the professional experience, and I've asked questions, and [01:57:53] I've not gotten the answers to them. [01:57:54] So, you know, I appreciate very much that you have supported things that I've said, [01:58:00] but it's not to my benefit, it's to the benefit of the community, I mean, and that's what [01:58:04] I try to press my discussion towards. [01:58:08] So, you know, if I've hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. [01:58:11] I do very much appreciate those times that you agree, but I will tell you that over the [01:58:16] last months that we've had so much to be celebrating, and we do, Councilman, we do celebrate together [01:58:23] all the good things that are happening in our city, but the activities over the past [01:58:30] several months and weeks, and it does go with Shweppan, so let me just kind of zone in on [01:58:36] that. [01:58:37] You said that you agreed with me, but that it's, you know, when that meeting was over, [01:58:42] there was two folks that went, kind of spoke to their feeling about the school board rejecting [01:58:51] the contract and asking for a provision to exclude multifamily housing, and Alison Crumley [01:59:01] made that, and I listened to the tape, and she made it based on the Live Local Act and [01:59:05] her concern about those properties that don't create any tax, and my comment was I'm happy [01:59:14] because I fully am fully behind the clarification without worrying about what it's going to [01:59:22] be or what it's going to look like that that property is one of our city jewels, and I [01:59:26] felt you agreed with me, but I think it's going to be important that we give direction [01:59:33] to the city manager, and quite frankly, and I've had discussions with the city manager [01:59:38] before, and it's over a year and a half ago that I said I'm going to stop meeting weekly [01:59:46] with her. [01:59:47] Lucky I said that now that I have a full-time job out of town, but you know, so lucky me, [01:59:55] but I think quite frankly that I'm very frustrated. [02:00:00] that you all meet regularly with her and that policy seems to really get to the point where,

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