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   First Public Hearing - FY23-24 Operating Budget & Capital Improvement Program

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   City staff presented the proposed FY2023-24 Operating Budget and Capital Improvement Program at the first public hearing. The proposed millage rate is 8.4 mills (down from 8.45) with a total budget of approximately $92.9 million across eight funds. Council discussed water/sewer capital projects including a Leisure Lane sewer extension and a fleet/purchasing warehouse, and Councilman Altman raised concerns about underutilized interest income and recreation membership fees.

   • direction:Council directed staff to consider higher-yield investment options (e.g., FL Class) and to provide updated investment rate information. (none)
   • direction:Council requested a breakdown of recreation memberships including city vs. non-city residents and summer youth program participants. (none)

   📍Leisure Lane area🏢Dade City🏢FL Class🏢Pasco County👤Councilman Altman👤Crystal Dunn👤Debbie Manns#COLA negotiations with police and fire unions#Capital Improvement Program#Community Redevelopment Agency#FY2023-24 Operating Budget#Fleet and Purchasing Warehouse project#General Fund Cost Allocation Study#General Fund Revenue Sufficiency Study#Millage rate 8.4 mills#Police Department Workload Staffing Analysis#Salary and Classification Study#Solid Waste Collection Services Fund#Water and Sewer Fund

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   [00:00:52] The first business item is the first public hearing [00:00:59] of your 23-24 Operating Budget and Capital Improvement Program. [00:01:05] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. [00:01:07] It is my pleasure to present to you this evening [00:01:10] a balanced operating and capital budget for the city covering [00:01:15] the fiscal year 2023-24 year. [00:01:20] The annual budget, as you know, allocates resources [00:01:24] to a variety of priorities and programs [00:01:28] intended to ensure both the community's physical security, [00:01:33] enhance the quality of life, as well as [00:01:36] to maintain and develop the city's facilities [00:01:40] and its infrastructure. [00:01:43] The proposed budget, which is being distributed to those [00:01:47] of you that don't have them yet, in front of you [00:01:51] is a policy document. [00:01:54] The proposed budget is based on the priorities [00:01:57] that you've advanced in the strategic plan, your goals, [00:02:01] your visions, and your priorities. [00:02:04] Many of them do have a time period established for them [00:02:09] in the 23-24 fiscal year, and many goals [00:02:14] stretch beyond that for several years into the future. [00:02:19] The proposed budget before you this evening [00:02:24] emanates from a philosophy that was built on fiscal prudence. [00:02:33] It was based on the fact that there are rising [00:02:42] costs due to inflation. [00:02:46] They incorporated the fact that we [00:02:50] wanted to be in advance of the state requirement [00:02:55] to pay minimum wage to our hourly employees. [00:03:01] And with this budget, we have achieved that. [00:03:08] And if it meets with your approval, [00:03:11] we will be paying the minimum wage [00:03:14] one year in advance of the state law, which [00:03:17] requires us to do so. [00:03:24] And you'll see that although we did this year [00:03:31] have a good increase in property taxes, [00:03:35] our state revenues were just slightly ahead of what [00:03:40] they were in previous years. [00:03:41] This year, our property tax growth rate was 16.40%. [00:03:49] We are asking you to consider adopting a millage rate [00:03:55] this evening, as well as an operating budget [00:04:00] and a capital improvement program, both of which [00:04:05] we'll be asking you to adopt by resolution. [00:04:08] Our current millage rate is 8.45%. [00:04:14] We will be asking you to adopt a millage rate of 8.4%. [00:04:20] And our 23-24 budget is in the amount of $92,912,410, [00:04:35] which is spread over eight different funds, [00:04:38] which Ms. Dunn will introduce to you as part of our budget [00:04:43] presentation. [00:04:46] You'll note tonight as part of the presentation [00:04:49] that the city's general fund continues [00:04:52] to be the most challenged amongst the funds [00:04:57] that the city administers. [00:04:59] And as part of that, this year we [00:05:04] will be conducting a general fund revenue sufficiency [00:05:08] study, as well as a general fund cost allocation study. [00:05:13] And we will also be conducting a data analysis and workload [00:05:19] staffing deployment analysis relating [00:05:23] to some of our police department operations. [00:05:27] With that being said, Crystal, if you [00:05:29] could go forward with the more specifics on the personnel [00:05:35] and operating portions of the budget, I would appreciate it. [00:05:39] And before you do so, I'd like to thank you [00:05:42] and your staff for your hard work, [00:05:44] along with the department heads who [00:05:47] have been working along with us for over four months [00:05:51] or so on the development of this budget document. [00:05:55] Good evening, Mayor, Council. [00:05:57] Before you is the first proposed operating budget and capital [00:06:03] improvement plan. [00:06:05] Tonight's presentation, City Manager Manns [00:06:08] outlined a few of our higher revenues. [00:06:12] And as you see here, the general fund [00:06:14] brings in the highest revenue of $31,937,670. [00:06:22] And the second highest would be water and sewer, [00:06:26] which is $28,987,050. [00:06:30] And our community redevelopment agency, I do want to note, [00:06:33] is $11,665,000. [00:06:37] We also have a capital improvement program [00:06:39] of $9,335,670. [00:06:44] The total across all funds would be $95,935,000. [00:06:52] $95,321,150, which includes the solid waste collection services [00:06:59] fund of $2,291,000. [00:07:09] And as you see here, again, the general fund [00:07:11] makes up 35% of the total budget. [00:07:15] And next would be the water and sewer fund at 37, [00:07:20] actually 37% is a higher percentage [00:07:25] of the water and sewer. [00:07:32] Total expenditures here are broken down [00:07:34] by department and the general fund. [00:07:37] I would like to note that the police department does [00:07:39] make up $9,223,700, which is 28% of our budget. [00:07:46] And also, a large portion of the departments [00:07:53] comes from the fire, which is $3,181,000, [00:07:58] and our public works department, which is $3,379,000. [00:08:02] The total expenditures throughout the general fund [00:08:05] is $31,937,670. [00:08:14] This is the 10-year history of our proposed millage. [00:08:18] As city manager mentioned before, [00:08:21] we're proposing 8.4 mills. [00:08:24] And the proposed millage from last year [00:08:27] is actually 8.45 mills. [00:08:29] It looks like my chart might have been cut off a little bit. [00:08:36] He highlights the property taxable values [00:08:39] are $947,775,302, which is up 11.51% from the prior year. [00:08:50] As Ms. Manns also outlined, our health insurance costs [00:08:53] did increase, which was an estimated 10% increase. [00:08:57] We also saw large increases in fuel costs, chemical costs, [00:09:01] and our insurance, which would include the general liability [00:09:05] property and flood insurance policies, which [00:09:07] is approximately a 28% increase. [00:09:10] You'll also note that there were slight increases [00:09:12] in our state revenues. [00:09:14] And we have an additional fund, which [00:09:18] is comprised of the solid waste collection assessments [00:09:23] revenues that you'll see in the coming year. [00:09:29] Retirement contribution rates increased 3%, [00:09:32] which is similar to last year. [00:09:34] We have a few proposed positions. [00:09:37] We have a grant coordinator position, which is full-time, [00:09:40] an information specialist 2 position, [00:09:42] which is also full-time, a crossing guard, [00:09:45] which is a part-time position in our police department, [00:09:47] a full-time firefighter position. [00:09:50] We are proposing a planning intern [00:09:52] to our development department, a site inspector [00:09:56] to our public works division, and a solid waste billing [00:09:59] coordinator, which is also a full-time position. [00:10:02] I think we should stop and talk just a little bit [00:10:04] about the positions. [00:10:06] Our expectation is that the grant coordinator's salary [00:10:10] will be paid out of the proceeds of the grants received. [00:10:14] The information specialist is a part-time position [00:10:17] that we would be converting to full-time. [00:10:21] We have some way right there. [00:10:23] Is that different than a marketing position? [00:10:26] It is the marketing position, yes. [00:10:29] That is the position that we would be converting. [00:10:32] And the school crossing guard part-time position [00:10:37] has become necessary as a result of the fact [00:10:42] that all of the schools are starting at the same time now, [00:10:45] so we can't change crossing guards [00:10:48] to different locations anymore. [00:10:51] The firefighter is only scheduled [00:10:55] to work six months out of the year. [00:10:58] The site inspector will be paid completely [00:11:03] out of permit fees generated [00:11:07] by the city's building department permits, [00:11:12] and the solid waste billing coordinator would be paid [00:11:16] out of what we expect to be the 1.5% fee [00:11:21] that we would collect for solid waste processing. [00:11:29] Thanks, Crystal. [00:11:34] Other highlights, the capital improvement program. [00:11:37] The following costs are associated [00:11:41] with the different departments or funds. [00:11:44] The general fund is comprised of $1,235,000 [00:11:48] in capital improvements. [00:11:49] The stormwater would be $960,000, [00:11:52] proposed capital improvements. [00:11:54] Parks and Recreation of $1,982,000. [00:11:58] Public safety and public facilities of $4,860,000. [00:12:03] We have transportation of $2,055,000. [00:12:06] Water and sewer of $7,620,000. [00:12:10] Redevelopment of $3,415,000. [00:12:14] And the street improvement of $5,045,900, [00:12:18] which is a total program of $27,172,900. [00:12:29] Slide you see here is a breakdown [00:12:32] of our reserves and proposed carryover. [00:12:36] We have a total expected revenues [00:12:37] of $26,894,560 in the general fund. [00:12:43] The total department budgets make up $21,851,450. [00:12:51] We have budgeted $552,000 in reserves, [00:12:55] which as was mentioned before, [00:12:57] is comprised mostly for the proposed salary adjustments [00:13:02] to the general employees. [00:13:05] And we have transfers to the other funds [00:13:08] of $4,490,930. [00:13:13] This is a balanced budget [00:13:14] and we have not proposed any use of carryover funds. [00:13:17] Can you go back one? [00:13:20] Is the new fire department in that? [00:13:25] I'm sorry, fire department? [00:13:27] Public safety, yes it is. [00:13:29] I'm just asking if that's where it is. [00:13:31] It's in public safety. [00:13:32] Okay. [00:13:34] And I likely didn't provide enough detail [00:13:38] in my explanation, but the salary [00:13:42] and classification study was completed [00:13:45] for the general employees of the city just recently. [00:13:49] A formal presentation will be made to you [00:13:52] on the results of the study [00:13:54] at your first meeting in October. [00:13:57] If approved, then it would be implemented in October. [00:14:05] And I will be negotiating with both the police [00:14:09] and the fire department unions this coming week [00:14:15] for COLA adjustments on both of their contracts. [00:14:19] And we have program money into the budget [00:14:25] to be consistent with what others [00:14:27] in the area are receiving for COLA increases. [00:14:40] So to note, the revenues include transfers [00:14:44] in from other funds to cover administrative services [00:14:46] provided by the general fund. [00:14:48] And that would be $4,652,080. [00:14:52] Transfers out include to the street improvement. [00:14:56] No, sorry, that should have been removed. [00:15:00] RA-TIF, which is $4,490,930. [00:15:06] And again, these are transfers out from the general fund, [00:15:09] and also revenues in from other funds to the general fund. [00:15:15] That concludes the presentation. [00:15:18] City Council, if you have any questions, [00:15:20] I'd be open to answer them now. [00:15:23] Can we take a minute and highlight the water and sewer [00:15:25] budget? [00:15:27] It's pretty sizable there. [00:15:28] I think it might make sense just to re-review that real quick. [00:15:47] I guess it's the capital. [00:15:48] I'm sorry, let's go to the capital improvement page [00:15:51] there. [00:15:52] We need to go back just two where we were. [00:15:59] Are you referring to the capital improvement? [00:16:02] Yes. [00:16:02] Projects? [00:16:03] OK. [00:16:21] I know that we're doing some budget include maybe [00:16:25] some sewer line extension in the Leisure Lane area. [00:16:28] I think it's in that budget of $2 million. [00:16:31] And I wanted to maybe just touch base with the other. [00:16:34] If I'm not mistaken, would that be correct? [00:16:36] And then I'm just trying to think the make [00:16:39] of the other $5 million. [00:16:42] Capital improvement for the water and sewer [00:16:46] begins on page 36 of the book. [00:16:49] We don't have page 36. [00:16:52] You do. [00:16:52] It's not on the book. [00:16:53] The little book. [00:16:54] The small book. [00:16:56] So that's the case then. [00:17:00] I just make a point that it looks [00:17:02] like the construction of the utility, the fleet [00:17:10] and purchasing warehouse is out of that budget. [00:17:14] Is that right? [00:17:15] It is. [00:17:16] So it's $4.4. [00:17:17] So that's. [00:17:25] And obviously, that facility is used by more than just [00:17:30] the water and sewer folks, right? [00:17:32] Yeah, it's not the utilities. [00:17:37] And utility purchases and warehouse, right? [00:17:39] It wouldn't be a utility. [00:17:41] It's a general fund. [00:17:42] Yeah. [00:17:45] We haven't programmed yet any general fund revenue [00:17:49] to support that expenditure, though. [00:17:53] OK. [00:17:59] So we look at prior years. [00:18:03] That's a pretty big number there compared to previous years. [00:18:08] Obviously, the $2 million sewer lines and then [00:18:11] the $4 million building plus all the other miscellaneous. [00:18:14] Just wanted to bring that to the front, I guess. [00:18:21] That's a good question. [00:18:23] The fact that you haven't programmed, [00:18:26] is it coming from we know where the money is [00:18:28] coming from to build it? [00:18:30] Is this loan proceeds? [00:18:32] Is that what we're thinking? [00:18:35] We haven't currently pursued loan proceeds [00:18:38] for the building. [00:18:39] Well, if it's in the capital improvement plan [00:18:41] in the current year, is it in the budget [00:18:44] somewhere to spend it? [00:18:46] There isn't any. [00:18:49] This is the only funding source that we [00:18:51] have identified to support the expenditure at this point. [00:18:55] What is that source, I guess, is the question. [00:18:57] Water and sewer funds. [00:19:00] Water, OK. [00:19:01] OK, so it may become a loan or something from water and sewer. [00:19:05] Right, it will. [00:19:07] And what we're expecting to do is [00:19:09] once we establish a maximum guaranteed price, [00:19:14] a maximum guaranteed price on the project, [00:19:18] then we will come to you with an award [00:19:21] and identify the specific funding sources. [00:19:24] And hopefully, we'll be able to vary some from what [00:19:28] we're proposing in the budget. [00:19:35] Because that facility is going to cover transportation, [00:19:38] stormwater, a whole variety of things, [00:19:42] and vehicles from all departments. [00:19:43] Right. [00:19:50] Are you? [00:19:51] Yeah, I'm satisfied. [00:19:51] I just wanted to highlight that a little bit, [00:19:54] because those are two major projects. [00:19:57] Yeah, I don't see it, Mr. Mayor, but I [00:19:59] know the question was asked if we had some comments there [00:20:02] as we're at the first public hearing on the budget. [00:20:05] Is this the appropriate time for me to make some comments? [00:20:07] Yeah, we're going to start saving it to the end. [00:20:10] If you would, I'm trying to keep this [00:20:12] to three or four areas of the budget [00:20:16] that I'm looking at that I would like to address and speak to. [00:20:22] Good news first, I think. [00:20:25] On the revenue in the general fund, [00:20:28] as I look at the interest income, [00:20:32] I see a total, it looks like, of maybe $25,000 [00:20:40] in interest income. [00:20:44] And I've mentioned this before, and I [00:20:46] don't see that you've taken any moves that way. [00:20:50] But using pooled cash, if you use the FL class [00:20:56] sort of guaranteed safe funds, or even bank [00:21:01] funds that are safe, you could be getting over 5%. [00:21:05] I think FL class is 5.5% interest right now. [00:21:09] So as example, if you had $10 million in the general fund, [00:21:16] that's $500,000 right there. [00:21:18] So when you're in this tight budget [00:21:22] and you're looking to make all these improvements, [00:21:26] if you took the amount of money that you [00:21:28] have that we've been earning less than a percent on, [00:21:30] now we're getting better, maybe 1%, maybe 2%. [00:21:34] But your estimates of interest income [00:21:39] remain at the levels that they have been historically, [00:21:42] which are miserably low levels. [00:21:44] So I know I had asked, and we came back [00:21:47] with another ordinance or resolution from the council [00:21:52] that says how much money we're making. [00:21:54] But this is the best time for interest income, [00:21:57] considering that the interest rates have gone up. [00:22:00] So bad news for loaning is good news for interest. [00:22:04] And it's safe. [00:22:06] And it's protected. [00:22:07] And this FL class fund, for example, [00:22:11] is made up of clerks from some of the bigger counties [00:22:14] and cities in the state. [00:22:16] That's just one example. [00:22:17] There's a couple of them. [00:22:19] I have to say, we don't need to do it now. [00:22:23] But there should be, I'm just going [00:22:25] to guess that you should be able to add $200,000 or $300,000 [00:22:29] to your revenue stream. [00:22:31] However, much of that comes to the general fund [00:22:36] in the much smaller city of Dade City. [00:22:38] That interest income is more like $600,000 or $700,000 [00:22:42] to the government. [00:22:44] So whatever fund it's sitting in, [00:22:46] wherever this money is sitting in, [00:22:48] if it's not in a pooled cash fund that's [00:22:51] providing a substantial interest, [00:22:53] the city's losing a lot of money. [00:22:55] We sit up here, and we chisel $5,000 off of something [00:22:59] for somebody, or $10,000, or we wring our hands [00:23:04] over the small budgets that we get to debate over, [00:23:08] whether it's culture or whatever. [00:23:10] It's a substantial amount of money. [00:23:11] So that being said, you're at the final hour. [00:23:16] We've got to approve the budget. [00:23:18] I don't want to make life any more miserable [00:23:20] than it has to be. [00:23:21] You've got a couple of days to get to a final hearing. [00:23:25] But I'm telling you, there's money to be had in interest. [00:23:30] And I've not heard any response from you all on that. [00:23:34] But I would expect that it could be good news for some relief. [00:23:40] That being said, on the general fund, [00:23:44] there's one other area I wanted to discuss. [00:23:46] And that was the recreation memberships and the daily fees. [00:23:50] I've mentioned this before, but your membership revenue [00:23:53] is $200,000. [00:23:56] And I don't know, because I haven't [00:23:59] seen how much of that is from our residents [00:24:01] and how much of that is from our county members. [00:24:05] But the county members, I'm guessing [00:24:08] that's half of it or more. [00:24:11] So we're talking about $100,000 here. [00:24:13] And I know I had the beginning of an interest [00:24:16] in talking about this. [00:24:17] So again, I'm not expecting this to change today. [00:24:20] But I'm just saying this budget book got to us [00:24:24] just before this first hearing. [00:24:26] And I'm a believer in being able to discuss this [00:24:30] and not have to wait till next year to talk about it again. [00:24:32] But if we were to, as example, cut the membership fee back [00:24:38] to just the county membership, eliminate the city membership, [00:24:43] even if we increased our daily fees to some degree, [00:24:47] we could probably do all that to the expense of this budget [00:24:53] of maybe $35,000 or $40,000. [00:24:55] Because we'd see more people coming, [00:24:56] because they wouldn't have to not come. [00:24:59] And they'd know they could come. [00:25:00] Maybe they'd come more regularly. [00:25:01] So on top of that, this budget doesn't [00:25:05] reflect the revenue we should be getting from those county [00:25:08] residents on a service area agreement, [00:25:10] which I know they've indicated a willingness to discuss. [00:25:13] So perhaps one move would be for us [00:25:15] to eliminate the fees for the residents, [00:25:18] let the non-residents know they're paying a membership fee. [00:25:21] They'll put a little bit more pressure back [00:25:23] on the county commission to jump in with us [00:25:27] and reduce the fees. [00:25:28] Because they don't have these kind of fees at the county. [00:25:32] So if we want to ask them to join our facility, [00:25:35] we're going to have to be prepared to lower our fees. [00:25:37] So it's a discussion. [00:25:40] I'm not asking you to change the budget today. [00:25:43] But this is the only time I can come back [00:25:45] and say this with any chance that it [00:25:48] might come back with my colleagues [00:25:49] to talk about it again. [00:25:52] I'd just like to add one other thing going along with it. [00:25:55] You know, membership two doesn't recognize the summer programs. [00:25:59] And I'd like to see that break down. [00:26:01] Because we probably have, you know, [00:26:02] we pack the house in the summer with kids. [00:26:04] But are they all city kids? [00:26:06] And then is that just a short membership [00:26:09] that we're including this? [00:26:10] I think that should be broken down, [00:26:11] not only is the family membership in the city, [00:26:14] family membership outside the city, [00:26:16] but what is in the youth program in the summertime, too. [00:26:19] Good. [00:26:19] So it's just a topic, maybe, to ask to have. [00:26:22] I'm not asking to change that at this point. [00:26:25] I think there's 120 kids in there during the summertime. [00:26:29] There typically is. [00:26:31] I'd like to respond to the points made by Councilman [00:26:34] Altman, because I think they're valid. [00:26:36] And the first relates to the banking. [00:26:39] And Crystal, if you want to add in, please do so. [00:26:43] But I want you to know that we have our banking business out [00:26:47] to bid now. [00:26:49] And we're very much interested, and that's [00:26:51] why we've competitively bid our business out to several banks [00:26:56] so we can gain a better relationship with the bank. [00:27:01] In particular, we're interested in reducing some of our fees [00:27:04] and earning better interest on the amount [00:27:08] that we keep on account. [00:27:10] And I think those bids are due within a couple of weeks, [00:27:14] aren't they? [00:27:15] We did extend it to provide them a little bit more time. [00:27:18] Oh, did we? [00:27:18] OK. [00:27:19] They've requested it. [00:27:21] But our rates, I will get you the investment rates. [00:27:24] Our rates are substantially higher [00:27:26] from what they were reported at the end of year last year. [00:27:28] So I can provide those to you. [00:27:31] Well, and if they could be worked into the budget, [00:27:33] I mean, the thing about the FL class in those [00:27:36] is those are rates that change with the interest. [00:27:39] So if the interest goes down, you don't get those high rates. [00:27:42] But the expectations are that the rate hiking has not [00:27:46] finished. [00:27:47] I guess it will slowly merge back down. [00:27:50] But at least there may be some short-term relief anyway. [00:27:53] So thank you for that. [00:27:54] Yeah. [00:27:55] Yeah. [00:27:55] I mean, I didn't think you, yeah. [00:27:57] I don't think you were finished with the things. [00:27:59] That was just one particular item, right? [00:28:00] Well, yeah. [00:28:01] I did want to comment on the fact [00:28:03] that I have had discussion with the county administrator [00:28:06] about an interlocal agreement for some recreation services. [00:28:10] And they, Pasco County, has indicated [00:28:15] that they do want to enter into an agreement with the city [00:28:18] to provide a certain region of Pasco County an opportunity [00:28:24] to use our recreation and aquatic center. [00:28:26] And they would pay our fee for that service, which [00:28:31] would serve as a significant source of revenue [00:28:35] for the city in the area estimated [00:28:39] to be between $200,000 and $250,000 per year. [00:28:44] I certainly, though, couldn't count on it [00:28:48] as a source of revenue in this budget [00:28:51] because the agreement hasn't been completely [00:28:54] solidified at this point by you or by their commission. [00:28:59] Is this like a line like the toll road west? [00:29:04] Thank you. [00:29:05] I don't recall the boundaries specifically. [00:29:07] You mentioned that because I was like, yes. [00:29:09] But it is a boundary line. [00:29:16] Some of the other comments, I quickly [00:29:18] want to go to the utility fund again, [00:29:22] which is the second of the three places [00:29:24] I want to talk about just briefly. [00:29:26] And to say that in examining the quick look at the water [00:29:33] and sewer fund revenue side, I'm seeing, of course, [00:29:37] that the bulk sewer agreement with FGOA is gone. [00:29:44] That was $682,000 we were getting [00:29:46] before we switched things out. [00:29:49] And the alternate side of that was [00:29:52] that we gave up a portion of our plant [00:29:55] so that the amount of money that would come back into us [00:29:58] for the operation. [00:30:00] operation of it would now incorporate them having the share of the business that turned [00:30:06] over to them. And that changed by 580,000. So their share of the plant went up in 23 [00:30:17] according to this argument, and it's the same budgeted this year, and the FGUA loss was [00:30:26] 682,000. So just those two numbers against each other, that's about $120,000 less we're [00:30:34] making. We're not capturing all of the money back in our county share of the operation [00:30:40] for the money that we've lost to FGUA. And that was, you know, ifs or buts, so I'll leave [00:30:48] it at that. Also, I see that we have, again, $25,000 worth of interest. One is with the [00:31:02] SBA and the other is with the investment funds. And again, so interest would be allocated [00:31:09] according to where the balance sheet puts the cash, and so there should be more interest [00:31:14] income when you get your bank agreements. I think she wants to say something on that [00:31:25] subject. And I know there's a better response than what I can provide you this evening related [00:31:29] to the FGUA agreement, but without the benefit of Mr. Rivera in the room, I don't want to [00:31:36] even try to give you the response. So if you'll allow me to provide that at the next budget [00:31:41] hearing or write something up to you later. Yeah, I really don't need one because it's [00:31:47] a done deal. So I'm just commiserating over past battles on that one. The other part is [00:31:56] I know, speaking of past efforts, there was talk about a master plan for sewer and water, [00:32:04] and that it was underway, and I see that we spent, or at least had in the current year's [00:32:09] budget, a lot of money on it. I really, really want to see an answer to why we are not moving [00:32:19] to the Trouble Creek area that's in our service area where the septic tanks are leaching into [00:32:27] the environment where, admittedly by our own staff who's had to go out there, it stinks [00:32:33] to high heaven when we have a heavy rain event and that water all migrates out into the Gulf [00:32:38] of Mexico. So, I mean, that has to become a priority from an environmental standpoint, [00:32:44] but it's also been a property owner who owns all that land all the way out along Trouble [00:32:49] Creek to the county's park where we've talked about the reason for that overpass is to get [00:32:56] out and have a coast-to-coast trail to get there. And that's Gunther Flagg, who has been [00:33:03] the bicycle committee member whose family owned all that land and tried to sell it, [00:33:10] who wanted it to be protected for environmental purposes, and the city that bought a million [00:33:16] dollars worth of property, which checkerboards up against it. So, there is a move out there, [00:33:22] and it's always been said, we move east. We bought a number of existing utilities, spent [00:33:29] a lot of money over the last five years rehabbing them around Orange Grove and Massachusetts. [00:33:35] Those were good projects, but to me, that project is waiting for money that's sitting [00:33:41] there for us to grab because there's a ton of money that's out there right now in that [00:33:48] whole environmental resilience pot of money that's out there. So, when your grant person [00:33:55] gets here, you could change the budget, put some grant money in, but I've yet to see any [00:34:02] plans for how we would get sewer from that area, if it developed, because it's not in [00:34:08] the CRA, and there's an interest in having us annex that land, and we could probably [00:34:14] add an awful lot more environmental lands and do some kind of cluster housing or something [00:34:22] along the bike trail. I think there's a plan out there, something that's been talked about [00:34:28] by Mr. Flagg for five or six years now, and I'd like to see us try to pursue that. [00:34:36] So, is there currently customers in that land, or is it vacant? [00:34:40] The land is vacant, but the customers are not in the city. I'm sorry, but they're right [00:34:45] behind 19, that whole corner from the old car dealership, the 19 and that. [00:34:54] Yeah, it's Swiss cheese type of property. [00:35:00] It doesn't look like, you know, they're tight houses next to each other, which is why we [00:35:04] went for these smaller purchases because they're in place, but I think the environmental concerns [00:35:10] and the ability to get our main out there so that we can take advantage of the revenue [00:35:17] opportunities if something happens. I know they're actively trying to sell it, and it [00:35:23] should be in the city limits if it could be. [00:35:26] So the final of my three little issues right now would be to the element of the community [00:35:34] redevelopment agency that's in our budget book that relates to the transfers from the [00:35:40] TIF funds and to the discussion earlier, Mr. Mayor, you had about marketing. I had raised [00:35:50] a question, and I don't know if our council has taken a look at it yet, but there are [00:35:55] some pretty strong legal opinions coming out with respect to marketing. [00:36:04] And I would like to see that marketing money be used to market these plans we have to really [00:36:13] try to make the best out of our piece on the corner of Main and 19 that we're redeveloping, [00:36:22] on our boat ramp property, on our strategies and marketing and plans to bring redevelopment [00:36:29] in. So we can't use it to market to bring more customers, and if we can't use it to [00:36:36] market to bring more customers into our restaurants and bars and shops, we should be able to use [00:36:44] it to become part of our economic strategy to go out and recruit. [00:36:52] So maybe you don't call it marketing, but all I see in the budget is personnel cost [00:37:02] in the economic development budget, and so somehow we may have to amend that budget if [00:37:11] and when we see the updated CRA plan. And if I've missed something, I'm not sure where [00:37:17] we are with that, but you can't spend any money if it's not in the plan, and the plan [00:37:22] has to be legal, and I'm really expecting that we'll do some CRA budget amendments in [00:37:29] the first of the year once we get the plan so we can accomplish some of our goals. [00:37:36] I'll leave it at that. Thank you. [00:37:39] Back to you then. [00:37:43] The marketing plan, or the marketing activity, is in the current CRA plan. It will be in [00:37:52] also a continued activity in the next CRA plan, subject to what the City Attorney's [00:37:59] opinion may be of that matter, but in the CRA budget, not in the economic development [00:38:06] budget, we do have money for marketing activity. [00:38:09] Right, and I'd just get some holy water sprinkled on it and see what we can do with it. [00:38:15] Hoping he will. [00:38:23] Anything else you want to bring up? [00:38:25] Not at this time. I'm just... [00:38:28] What would you like from us then? [00:38:30] Well, we have two resolutions that you would need to consider before we leave this evening [00:38:38] They're both on your agenda. [00:38:40] Would you like me to read the first resolution? [00:38:44] Sure. [00:38:45] You're required to adopt the millage rate before you adopt the budget, so this first [00:38:50] resolution is number 2023-11, a resolution of the City of New Port Richey, Pasco County, [00:38:55] Florida, adopting the tentative levying of ad valorem taxes for all non-exempt real and [00:39:01] personal property in New Port Richey, Pasco County, Florida, for fiscal year 2023-2024 [00:39:07] and providing for an effective date. [00:39:09] That's at the 8.4? [00:39:12] 8.4. [00:39:13] 8.4. [00:39:14] This is a public hearing. [00:39:16] Does anybody from the public would like to come and speak? [00:39:31] Thank you. [00:39:38] I would like the city... [00:39:41] Identify yourself, please. [00:39:43] Marlo Jones. [00:39:45] I would like the city to do a better job at letting the public know about these meetings. [00:39:50] There's a lot going on on the feed. [00:39:53] People that are watching from home are having some technical issues, so I don't know who [00:39:58] we need to speak to about that. [00:40:00] But let's see if we can get that handled. [00:40:02] We want to make sure that the public is fully aware of what all of you are doing. [00:40:08] Sitting back there, it's clearly visible that a lot of you don't even know what you're reading. [00:40:16] Here, on the non-classified WS sheet here in the budget, I don't know what page it is, [00:40:23] we have some expenditures here that are, like, non-classified. [00:40:27] It looks like professional services for $40,000. [00:40:31] Do we know what type of professional services they are? [00:40:39] Anybody? [00:40:41] You're welcome to go ahead and speak for three minutes. [00:40:43] Okay, well, I'm hoping I get an answer after I speak. [00:40:46] Because nobody ever answers when I have a question. [00:40:48] When other people have questions, you answer them. [00:40:51] Excuse me, sir, just continue. [00:40:53] Excuse me, don't interrupt me when I'm talking. [00:40:55] You're interrupting me, sir. [00:40:57] Anyways, it's my time, and I reclaim it. [00:40:59] We're not going to play this game, Chopper. [00:41:03] $40,000. [00:41:05] I want to know, who are we paying this money to that's miscellaneous? [00:41:09] Can you tell us? [00:41:10] Is it other law firms that the city is paying because they have so many lawsuits being levied against them? [00:41:16] Can we get a printout of how many law firms the city has on their payroll? [00:41:21] Because we know you're paying them, but it's not being disclosed to the public. [00:41:25] So maybe your city attorney or your city manager could provide an answer after I speak on that. [00:41:35] What is it with transparency and accountability with you all? [00:41:38] What are you so scared of? [00:41:42] Seriously. [00:41:45] You know why there's no one here in the audience. [00:41:47] You don't want them to be here. [00:41:50] You all do a piss poor job of letting people know about these meetings that you know they should be at. [00:41:56] And to the city clerk, does the city clerk have an e-mail address? [00:42:01] Can somebody let me know how often she responds to e-mails? [00:42:04] Can we get an answer on that, Ms. Myers? [00:42:08] No? [00:42:09] So nobody can respond. [00:42:10] But when somebody else is up here, you can respond directly to them. [00:42:14] And we have evidence of that because you could clearly look at all the meetings and see. [00:42:17] You pick and choose who you want to respond to. [00:42:20] Now you have a black man up here asking you questions that I've been asking for many, many years. [00:42:24] You can't even answer. [00:42:26] Why? [00:42:27] Because you're all under some gag order from your city manager? [00:42:29] You can't speak? [00:42:31] I sent Ms. Myers an e-mail today, and I'm letting it be known. [00:42:36] And I sent her another e-mail on, I believe, July 17th. [00:42:39] I'm expecting a reply back from that. [00:42:42] Thank you, sir. [00:42:43] Thank you, Chopper. [00:42:48] I just want to get a confirmation on how far in advance our meetings are notified to the public. [00:42:55] Yeah, please. [00:42:57] Two weeks? [00:42:59] Typically. [00:43:00] Typically two weeks. [00:43:01] All right, thank you very much. [00:43:03] I just want the people that are home listening to this to know that all this information that we're bringing up tonight has been available for two weeks. [00:43:09] Bravo. [00:43:10] Thank you. [00:43:12] All right, bring it back. [00:43:15] I'll move for approval of the resolution. [00:43:17] Second. [00:43:18] As called. [00:43:20] Thank you. [00:43:21] Excuse me, sir. [00:43:23] Excuse me, sir. [00:43:25] Thank you. [00:43:26] I asked a question. [00:43:29] We don't have an answer for you, sir. [00:43:31] Do you have to answer it? [00:43:32] No, we don't have to. [00:43:33] Are you going to give it back to me? [00:43:34] Excuse me, sir. [00:43:35] Do I have to ask you to leave? [00:43:36] You're interrupting, sir. [00:43:37] You're not up. [00:43:40] You're done, sir. [00:43:41] I'm done what? [00:43:42] You're done speaking. [00:43:43] I know. [00:43:44] I'm just saying. [00:43:45] It's done. [00:43:46] I don't want to hear from you, sir, ever. [00:43:47] Is anyone going to reply? [00:43:49] Could you just leave, please, sir, if you're going to continue to interrupt? [00:43:52] Thank you. [00:43:53] Carry on. [00:43:55] Carry on. [00:43:57] We have a motion and a second. [00:43:59] Okay, I move for approval. [00:44:00] All those in favor? [00:44:01] Whoa, whoa, whoa. [00:44:02] Can we make some comments? [00:44:03] Oh, yeah, sure. [00:44:04] I'm sorry. [00:44:05] Go for it. [00:44:06] I've made plenty. [00:44:09] Second? [00:44:10] No, you're the second. [00:44:11] You got it. [00:44:12] No, I think it's important to point out the millage rate, [00:44:20] even though it's a small decrease, [00:44:23] it is the third year in a row that there has been a decrease in the millage rate. [00:44:26] I know everyone's budgets are stretched, [00:44:29] and no one wants to pay any more property tax than necessary. [00:44:35] And I know that the property tax that residents pay within the city, [00:44:40] total when included with the county, [00:44:42] is more than perhaps if they lived in certain parts outside the county. [00:44:47] However, there are residents who live in certain parts in the county, [00:44:51] outside the city, [00:44:52] that when the consideration of not only their millage rate, [00:44:57] but their fire service rate, [00:45:00] and many times particularly these new developments are in CDD fees or CDDs [00:45:05] that fees are such millage rates that you know far exceed what one would pay [00:45:12] here for the city and with not necessarily the same services that the [00:45:19] city offers particularly in response for both fire and police. So I think that a [00:45:26] decrease in the millage rate even though we've had some increase in [00:45:30] property taxes and understand that doesn't mean it's across the board for [00:45:34] that it's only to step up so when the properties are bought and sold and [00:45:38] changed that you know the budget keeping this and keeping the millage rate at this [00:45:44] point does take an exercise of a lot of work and a lot of detail to hold the [00:45:51] line and that's during a time when we have seen increases both and if you look [00:45:55] at the largest portions of the budget you know other than maybe water and [00:46:01] sewer but the general funds the police to fire public works those are all very [00:46:06] labor-intensive number of employees of the city involved in that and most of [00:46:12] those have or will be seeing some salary increases so all being said and done I [00:46:17] just want to be on record that that reduction in millage rate is I feel that [00:46:24] we are citizens are still getting a bargain for that particular millage rate [00:46:29] that we said yeah I agree with that got computers on that and I'm very happy to [00:46:37] see the millage rate coming down again I think it shows that you know we're [00:46:41] doing our fiscal responsibility and and our staff is you know making sure that [00:46:45] we're looking out for people's taxes too so appreciate it [00:46:51] I'm good okay I do also like councilman Altman about the recreation center the [00:47:00] recreation fees I think that we should have something I mean a lot of our a lot [00:47:03] of our families just can't afford those fees and I'd like to see it more [00:47:05] utilized nothing more to add than what's already been added I'm hoping the [00:47:12] citizens you know like the services they get from the city not only in fire and [00:47:17] police services but I'm also from the city itself so library yeah library over [00:47:24] there and Andy that's for you and in the rec center I mean it's got quite quite a [00:47:29] quite a facility there yeah but anyhow so all those in favor aye those opposed [00:47:35] showing sewing five zip okay move it on to the second half of it the next [00:47:41] resolution is number 2023 12 a resolution of the city of New Port Richey of Pasco County Florida adopting the tentative budget for [00:47:49] fiscal year 2023 2024 in the capital improvement program for fiscal year 2023 [00:47:55] 2024 providing for an effective date and this is a public hearing public comment [00:48:07] will the city be thank you Matt thank you you can smile Matt it's all right [00:48:20] yeah you don't get in trouble for smiling is the city going to let the [00:48:28] public know about what I asked if the city could provide me that in writing [00:48:33] since you can't address me here at the meeting the questions I asked if you [00:48:37] could provide that to me in writing I know the city manager's office has done [00:48:41] that before on questions I've asked I believe there are legitimate questions [00:48:45] that should be asked giving the amount of lawsuits that your city's facing also [00:48:50] you mentioned that there was an employee survey done correct wage so they're a [00:48:58] survey completed or no wait okay well would that be released to the public as [00:49:04] well the document I believe what is it already available for us to view no go [00:49:12] ahead and ask your questions okay well I'm asking do you realize your three [00:49:16] minutes to your advantage please and we're kind of on one topic I'd like you [00:49:21] to stay with our topic but you don't seem to do that you don't seem to do a [00:49:24] lot of things either but we like I'm not being derogatory towards you sir sir [00:49:28] I don't think you should be driving nobody's been drunk don't try don't play [00:49:32] that don't don't try to victim here you're not the victim okay don't do that [00:49:36] anyways I just asked if it was public and if so when will it be made public if [00:49:41] it's not already public if you could simply answer that sir that's all I'm [00:49:45] asking because there's no communication we reach out to the city clerk's office [00:49:49] nobody communicates back you reach out to to to you individuals you don't [00:49:54] communicate back so what else do we do we come here we talk about it you don't [00:49:58] communicate back so when do we get answers when do we do I have to do I [00:50:03] have to change my title to a developer well I get an answer then if I if I'm a [00:50:08] developer will you we will they answer me then because that seemed to be the [00:50:11] only people they replied to I'm sick of this and you know it so keep playing the [00:50:20] game you're playing because it's the house of cards is coming crashing down [00:50:25] this city is under so much legal scrutiny because of the way you all have [00:50:29] operated and not have held your city manager accountable even with this [00:50:33] budget you all don't even know what's going on when's the last time you [00:50:36] actually seen what we actually really got how many years did Peter Altman have [00:50:40] to ask the city manager to see the budget and all that how many times you [00:50:44] don't know what's going on you only know what the city manager allows you to know [00:50:48] and your job is to hold the city manager accountable and none of you have [00:50:52] done that why because you all have many conflicts of interest and people soon [00:50:57] will know [00:51:03] not seeing nobody else come forward bring it back move for approval mr. mayor [00:51:08] I'll make approval to comments please comment to me do you want comments for [00:51:15] yeah well you make them an approval but then we'll have comments yeah yeah okay [00:51:18] yeah I just let's get her on the table I make a motion to approve okay we have a [00:51:23] second order so first there is one item that I failed to mention and it's in the [00:51:28] general fund revenue code this is really for crystal three four seven three four [00:51:34] oh it's called swimming recreation accessories and I'm not sure but if it [00:51:40] went from $686 to 20,000 if maybe we've got to find the other 19,000 of that and [00:51:49] so good good spot for some interest income I think to be moved over for [00:51:56] revenue and to the point that we do have the budget in front of us and it does [00:52:03] have items I just want to say as we try to discipline ourselves as much as [00:52:08] residents who speak to us have to learn the way things are I will like to say [00:52:13] that the budget lists categories and amounts and the city managers are [00:52:20] authorized to work within the budget under those areas so if we have [00:52:24] something called consulting and one of the budgets and I'm not sure which one [00:52:28] it is then we've authorized if once we approve this the manager to to carry [00:52:34] that out now any question about what any of these categories are can be [00:52:39] answered with a question and we'll know what that person who is hired but at the [00:52:47] beginning of the budget season I wouldn't expect that we would know [00:52:50] exactly who we're going to consult with all the time we have ideas but certainly [00:52:57] would take the question that was asked and try to understand it myself and we [00:53:02] want to make sure that the public does get to see the information that's here [00:53:07] but you know you want your time back if you speak and we reply and then we get [00:53:14] into back and forth so there is a reason to just let all those questions out if [00:53:18] we don't respond come back and remind us every meeting that we don't but I'm [00:53:23] gonna keep my mouth shut best I can and I didn't do it today because all of a [00:53:27] sudden you want to turn around and answer a question because you know the [00:53:30] answer to it so it's not easy and we could all have a room for improvement I [00:53:36] think thank you second I just want to say when we go through our budget [00:53:41] workshops we go through the more detail so we have we are familiar with each of [00:53:46] those each of those subjects because we have gone through them in more detail in [00:53:49] the workshop so I'm good I'll just bring up a couple things about the talking [00:53:59] about the parks and recs the the fees for the aquatic center and membership I [00:54:04] mean I you know we talked about this before I'd love to see it be you know at [00:54:08] least cheaper for a residence that free would be awesome I even talked about and [00:54:12] I brought up with miss man's about you know maybe expanding benefits of having [00:54:18] that membership you know city sponsored events or events that there might be [00:54:22] fees city residents don't have to pay you know things like that offer more [00:54:26] benefits so they get you more bang for their buck if they're you know if there [00:54:30] is a fee so I think there's room to work with that and I think we can I think we [00:54:34] make it better and then also I really hope that next year's budget we're gonna [00:54:39] have a line item for the Christmas in the park with all the lights and all the [00:54:47] kind of thing I think we can really make you know New Port Richey pop downtown we [00:54:51] have the we have the trees we have the facilities you can really make it a [00:54:55] winter wonderland and a lot of other cities not very close to us do it and [00:55:01] it's a huge draw and that's even something that benefits city residents [00:55:06] didn't have for free even if we decided to charge because people love love that [00:55:11] stuff no they'll pay five bucks to get their kids in there to look at it so [00:55:14] there's another opportunity I think there we do have money programmed in the [00:55:19] Public Works Department for additional Christmas lighting this year though very [00:55:23] good but I mean that's gonna be so huge that yeah Santa Claus sitting next to [00:55:30] me here no I've been to Mount Dora and what they put on there and it's all free [00:55:38] but it's it's decorated downtown and it's it is really beautiful yeah and [00:55:44] these work sessions we had were open to the public too and they were announced [00:55:48] weeks in advance so you know it's nothing being brought up here at the end [00:55:52] just for those who might be at home listening but um we'll go ahead and you [00:55:57] know move for approval we have the motion on the floor already right yeah [00:56:03] yeah call for the vote vote yes yeah all right all those in favor aye those [00:56:10] opposed so you have five zip yeah anything else you'd be like bring up [00:56:15] their communications or do you have something you want to continue with it [00:56:19] you happy there Debbie do I have a communication well no I'm gonna you [00:56:25] communication but I just wonder if we're done with it I think we are okay that's [00:56:28] what I thought okay so communications want to start with [00:56:31] Kelly I'm good I just mentioned what I wanted to mention [00:56:37] thank you no I think whether I say what I want to say and I'll reserve that but [00:56:50] hey everybody talked about the Aquatic Center so something about that it is [00:56:55] just you know we have what about 15,000 residents of this city or so forth and [00:57:00] Andre how many members do we have rec center approximately putting you on the [00:57:07] spot man right so it's not near 15,000 right so it's probably near to 2,000 or [00:57:13] less and well exactly so my point being is that if it's free then all the [00:57:21] residents are paying for the few that use it I I think it's a it's a very is a [00:57:29] bargain and I like to see we can make our fees very reasonable but I like the [00:57:34] idea of the members and the users of facility have just a little bit of skin [00:57:38] in the game if not at least enough to cover their membership card and so forth [00:57:42] so they they feel that they remember a little bit special and that's the way it [00:57:46] is and then also then all those folks that that say well wait a minute yeah [00:57:50] well my tax dollars is going for a facility that I don't utilize then we [00:57:54] also can balance out and say hey we're the ones who do to who utilize it do pay [00:57:58] a little bit more so I just want you know I know everybody we want to give [00:58:02] everything free to everybody right no but sometimes it doesn't you know make [00:58:07] sense so we so we bring that back around so I just wanted to I'm sorry is there [00:58:12] an echo in here yes excuse me sir could you have Emily please keeps interrupting [00:58:18] the meeting all right so anyway I just want since you guys have brought that up [00:58:30] during the wreck I wanted to go ahead and and present that so mr. mayor to [00:58:43] that wait a second well he's okay so yeah just to that point because we have [00:58:49] a nice little conversation going I I do want to say that there was two elements [00:58:55] of revenue and I did not ever think that someone would go to the rec center [00:59:00] without putting a couple dollars in so I think that as I understand it like [00:59:05] some of the other communities if you pay $2 every time or three or something maybe [00:59:14] there'd be more use but at least you'd still so I'm still reserving that we [00:59:18] have that argument that if you go you pay a little something so I'm not asking [00:59:21] for it to be free just to say if you're a resident you get a resident card go in [00:59:27] and pay you $2 or $3 or $5 whatever that fee is I think it's a better deal [00:59:33] for people who pay a lot to be members they could just know they can go [00:59:37] whenever they want and they don't have to feel like they got ripped off on New [00:59:40] Year's Eve thinking they were going to go to the rec center three times well [00:59:45] the only thing when you start saying two or three dollars let's just say you went [00:59:49] you know two dollars and you went 200 times a year that's water you can get a [00:59:53] membership for cheaper than that right now see oh maybe they need to leave room [00:59:58] for the rest [01:00:00] to go once in a while. [01:00:01] Well, I'm just saying, it's more of a research problem than you just throw out a couple dollars, [01:00:06] but you know. [01:00:07] I understand. [01:00:08] So, yeah, I think it's a great discussion and, you know, I think we've got a great new [01:00:15] director there that they may take some survey of our current users and get some feedback [01:00:20] and this is a whole nother workshop at some point. [01:00:23] And the county's interest is exciting, so that's good to hear. [01:00:28] Get some more money in. [01:00:30] Thank you. [01:00:31] Ms. Manns? [01:00:32] Yes. [01:00:33] I just wanted to mention to you that tomorrow morning the county commission will be considering [01:00:42] on their agenda the interlocal agreements with the city on the Leisure Lane-Vandoren [01:00:53] Avenue matter. [01:00:56] It has been pulled from the consent agenda, so it will be a discussion item amongst the [01:01:01] county commission. [01:01:04] And so it may be a good opportunity for those of us that are available to attend. [01:01:09] You have a guesstimate on time? [01:01:13] Between 10 and noon, I'm told. [01:01:16] Okay. [01:01:17] New Port Richey? [01:01:18] It's in New Port Richey, not in Dayton City. [01:01:21] It is in New Port Richey. [01:01:22] Okay. [01:01:23] I think that's what it's called. [01:01:28] Do we know why it got pulled from the consent agenda? [01:01:30] Or who pulled it? [01:01:32] The chairman, as I understand. [01:01:34] Okay.

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