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   Review of Proposed Departmental Budgets for FY23-24

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   Public Works Director Robert Rivera presented the FY23-24 budgets for 13 Public Works divisions, including a new division (114) for the parking structure shared with Keiser University and the Comfort Inn. Notable items included a proposed $50,000 three-part analysis of street and water/sewer impact fees, increases for trash removal, water/sewer costs, and contractual services, and a $14,000 capital request for upgraded cameras at the Public Works Operations Center.

   📍Four Corners🏢Comfort Inn🏢FGUA🏢Keiser University🏢Magnuson🏢Pasco County👤Ms. Manns👤Ms. Vance👤Robert Rivera#AMI/new water meter installation project#Adopt-a-Tree program#Division 101 - Public Works Supervision#Division 102 - Street and Right-of-Way Maintenance#Division 106 - Facilities Maintenance#Division 110 - Grounds/Parks Maintenance#Division 114 - Parking Structure#Neighborhood Cleanup program#Public Works Operations Center camera/security upgrade#Revenue Sufficiency Analysis#Streets and Water/Sewer Impact Fee Analysis

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   [00:00:24] Okay, with that, Mr. Mayor, we'll get started this evening. [00:00:30] This is the third session at which time we'll be presenting departmental budgets to you. [00:00:37] Tonight we'll be featuring the Department of Public Works, followed by the Finance Department [00:00:44] and Human Resources. [00:00:47] And we'll be finishing tonight with the Police Department budget. [00:00:51] As I communicated to you in a written note on Friday, I was uncertain as to whether or [00:01:01] not we would be able to present to you this evening the Patrol Division budget as part [00:01:09] of the Police Department presentation this evening. [00:01:13] The Police Chief and I were able to work through it today and it will be part of the presentation. [00:01:19] So he will be presenting all the divisions of the Police Department this evening. [00:01:26] With that being said, we have Mr. Rivera and his assistant before you this evening. [00:01:34] And they're prepared to present their 11 divisions, 13 divisions, thank you, Robert, for correcting [00:01:43] me, of Public Works, and without delay, we'll allow him to get started. [00:01:50] Thank you, Ms. Manns. [00:01:52] And so like we had said, 13 divisions, we used to have 12, we've added one, that's the [00:01:57] parking structure, and I'll detail more of that when we come to it. [00:02:02] The first division that we have is Division 101, it's Public Works Supervision. [00:02:09] Just going to highlight on some of the increases and decreases that I would say are noteworthy, [00:02:17] you know, over $500, and then of course after I finish presenting the division, if you have [00:02:26] any questions, then we'll go ahead and take those questions before we move on to the next [00:02:30] division. [00:02:31] And so like I said, this is Public Works Supervision, Division 101. [00:02:35] We go down to the personnel services overtime, just wanted to talk about that a little bit. [00:02:44] You'll see an increase from 500 to 2,000. [00:02:48] That is for the administrative staff that we have, and we're budgeting for any kind [00:02:54] of storm events, anything that we might have to activate our ESC and start calling personnel [00:03:01] in. [00:03:02] So that's considered alpha personnel as well. [00:03:06] And then we see a decrease from 1,200 to 600 in our education incentive pay. [00:03:12] That was with the departure of our former assistant director, and so now we're down [00:03:18] to one personnel that ends up getting that incentive pay. [00:03:24] And so as we drop down to 43,199, that's professional services miscellaneous. [00:03:33] We have... [00:03:34] When you get down there, I mean, just give us the number so we can find it quicker, because [00:03:39] you got your finger on it right away. [00:03:40] Okay. [00:03:41] So you want the number? [00:03:42] Yeah. [00:03:43] Yeah. [00:03:44] Yeah. [00:03:45] Okay. [00:03:46] I mean, by the time you get through talking, then I found and find the number. [00:03:47] Gotcha. [00:03:48] Okay. [00:03:49] So you'll see that that's an increase of $50,000. [00:03:52] We are proposing to perform a streets and water and sewer impact fee analysis with the [00:04:00] increased development, redevelopment that we have within the city. [00:04:04] We want to make sure that we have the latest updated numbers with that. [00:04:10] And so we have number 43,499, that's contractual service miscellaneous. [00:04:17] And to decrease in that, that went down from seven to $500. [00:04:26] And then we have 44,611, that's maintenance to buildings and grounds. [00:04:31] We've reduced that from 450 to zero. [00:04:35] We've moved that over to division 106, that's facilities, this facilities division. [00:04:43] And so there was no capital, oh yeah, there was a capital item in this. [00:04:49] We didn't get our estimates until later, after this paperwork was turned in. [00:04:55] But we do have in our capital, and I've talked with Ms. Vance about it. [00:04:59] We do have the proposal in for upgraded cameras and security system for the Public Works Operations [00:05:06] Center. [00:05:07] That's in the amount of $14,000. [00:05:10] We still have the original system in place from 2007. [00:05:18] So that concludes public works supervision. [00:05:21] So, thank you very much. [00:05:27] You might know, always have a question. [00:05:31] Can we, the one item there of significant difference is the, you just go back and visit [00:05:38] the streets water sewage impact, is that going to be for a study, can you explain [00:05:45] that with that $50,000 budget? [00:05:48] It's an analysis right now, if I'm correct, we do not collect impact fees for streets. [00:05:55] And so when you have redevelopment or impacts of development, it impacts directly your roadways. [00:06:04] In other words, you might need to add a turn lane, you might need to do improvements to [00:06:08] accommodate those additional stress that it puts on your infrastructure, and that's where [00:06:16] you come up with your impact fees for that developer to go ahead and pay for that, instead [00:06:21] of your taxpayers that would have to take that burden on. [00:06:28] It also, we have water and sewer impact fees. [00:06:33] Those get updated when the cost rise for building those types of projects, you have [00:06:42] to make sure that the impact fees that you're charging are current to today's standards. [00:06:48] So, correct me if I'm wrong, but we currently do receive impact fees for water and sewer, [00:06:55] right? [00:06:56] Yes, sir. [00:06:58] But we have nothing in place for roadway or street improvements. [00:07:05] When we pass that, I use it called the $80 per homeowner, I put in there that it's 100% [00:07:13] goes to asphalt. [00:07:14] So then we have to back it up to someplace else, because I wanted the people's money [00:07:18] to go into the asphalt. [00:07:19] So what we have to do, is that a good thing? [00:07:23] One of the addresses, if you'll allow me to respond to the question, new development [00:07:29] projects, which give us cause to make changes in the roadway system, and what Robert's suggesting [00:07:38] is that the developer should be responsible for those costs, and not the city. [00:07:44] Well, that's in other municipalities, Idaho County, and even state highways and roads, [00:07:51] that's a common practice. [00:07:52] So that's nothing, that practice is not new, it's just new to the city. [00:07:59] So the $50,000 is analysis, is it, are you going to tell us, hey, here's what you ought [00:08:09] to charge if this happens, or is this what you're, or is it also looking at what we are [00:08:15] currently charging for our water and sewer, and see if we need to make adjustments to [00:08:18] that? [00:08:20] Okay, it's strictly going to be, it's basically going to be three analysis into one, they're [00:08:24] about $15,000, $20,000 a piece, and it's going to look at, when it comes to water and sewer, [00:08:30] it's going to look at the rates that we're charging, the existing rates that we're charging, [00:08:38] when it comes to the methodology of impact fees. [00:08:41] So in other words, if you have a hotel, I'm going to try to keep it real simple, if you [00:08:46] have a hotel, and it has a certain amount of fixtures, then each one of those fixtures [00:08:53] is a dollar amount, in the impact that it has on your existing system. [00:09:00] And so it'll take a look at that, and make sure that the methodology is still correct, [00:09:07] it will also review the rates that we would charge, and today's dollars, that development, [00:09:15] whether it be a hotel, whether it be a condos, whatever impact that it may have. [00:09:22] The same would apply when it comes to streets, roads, and bridges. [00:09:27] What is the impact, what's the daily trips that whatever you're developing is going to [00:09:32] create to your existing network, and what do you need to do to accommodate and keep [00:09:39] that level of service up that you have? [00:09:42] So it's actually three studies in one. [00:09:47] And so when you look at it, you'll say, okay, Division 101 is a general fund division, but [00:09:53] it'll have a utility transfer of probably more than half, I'd say two-thirds, of the [00:10:04] dollar amount that we're asking for, requesting, would be funded by the utility. [00:10:10] So for example, and I'm not saying this is generated, but we look to be a fairly significant [00:10:18] expansion that will come along with an area associated, it's called the Four Corners, [00:10:24] for example. [00:10:25] We're going to extend some service to some new development out that way. [00:10:30] We're going to be the provider. [00:10:32] So with that property not being in the city, would these impact fees apply to that, or [00:10:38] is that strictly already been negotiated, or a fee for hookup and service for that type [00:10:48] of service that we anticipate? [00:10:51] It's been negotiated according to what our existing rates are now. [00:10:57] But what the city does not collect, because it's outside city limits, is we wouldn't collect [00:11:02] any of the street impact fees, because those roads aren't ours. [00:11:08] We wouldn't collect any school impact fees. [00:11:12] We don't have or operate any schools. [00:11:16] What it would include is strictly water and sewer impact fees, because we're the service [00:11:21] provider. [00:11:22] Is that, is the Magnuson an example of that, because changing from what they are and where [00:11:28] they're going? [00:11:29] The Magnuson would be, correct. [00:11:34] This would really kind of establish the need and what the appropriate recommendation would [00:11:42] be for street impact, and then just kind of double-check what we're currently charging [00:11:48] for water and sewer to see if that's still appropriate for what our cost would be incurred [00:11:55] is kind of, and what the market is bearing. [00:12:00] Just for clarification, it's not a rate study. [00:12:04] It's not what our customers currently pay. [00:12:08] It's strictly a fee that the developers or the builders pay for the impact of that new [00:12:17] facility that they're constructing. [00:12:20] The rate analysis would be a total separate thing, and I believe we have that proposed [00:12:27] for this year to do a revenue sufficiency analysis on the utility to where it can compare [00:12:34] the utilities that we did purchase recently. [00:12:38] It would also include the loss of revenue from FGUA and the increased revenue that would [00:12:48] be generated from Pasco County because they acquired FGUA, and so it basically would look [00:12:55] at our total operations when it comes to operating and maintenance, capital, and where we're [00:13:00] headed over a five-year span and analyze all that data and make sure that the rate increases [00:13:11] that we have or the rates that we're currently charging is sufficient to maintain the utility. [00:13:18] Okay. [00:13:20] I think I understand that. [00:13:21] This is going to tell us, so what we hope to glean from this analysis will then, if [00:13:28] we have a developer come in with a project, I want to do this project, and then based [00:13:34] upon that, then we're going to ask that developer, based upon our analysis of here that's kind [00:13:40] of set some, I'm assuming setting some standards or guidelines in motion, we say, well, Mr. [00:13:46] Developer, based upon that, we're going to request you to do this study for load improvement, [00:13:53] or no, you don't have to do one. [00:13:55] We don't, is that kind of what this is doing? [00:13:57] Correct. [00:13:58] They won't have to. [00:13:59] What we'll end up doing, I'll give an example for water and sewer, they'll go ahead and [00:14:04] they'll pay their impact fees. [00:14:06] Their impact fees go into a separate account. [00:14:09] When we get to the point where our existing system is overflowing, or it's at its max, [00:14:18] I should say, and we need to upsize a lift station, or we need to go from a 24-inch force [00:14:25] main to a 36-inch force main, that's because of development, and so then you would be able [00:14:32] to utilize those impact fees that you have over in another account to go ahead and pay [00:14:38] for those improvements. [00:14:41] They're not maintenance improvements. [00:14:44] They're not replacing pipe size for pipe size, pump size for pump size. [00:14:50] They are increasing sizes so that you can accommodate that development, and that's what [00:14:56] the impact fees are doing. [00:15:00] Utilized for. [00:15:04] This is not going to, [00:15:07] what we hope to get out of this is not [00:15:10] a rate of impact fees. [00:15:14] Is it going to tell us what we should be charging for impact fees? Correct. [00:15:18] It's going to verify the methodology and make sure that the rates that we're [00:15:22] charging [00:15:23] with that methodology is correct in today's standards. [00:15:26] I'm finally dialing in on that, okay, all right. It's going to tell us. [00:15:29] Yeah, I just, [00:15:32] I want to make sure we're getting in. [00:15:38] Well there are three very different things, so thank you for asking the questions. [00:15:43] So the [00:15:50] next division we have is 102, [00:15:56] that is street and right-of-way maintenance. [00:16:07] 43.129 engineering services miscellaneous. [00:16:12] We have an increase from [00:16:15] 4,000 to 5,000. That account basically [00:16:20] takes care of the majority of our traffic analysis, [00:16:23] the request for four-way stop signs, [00:16:26] those types of things, and whether they warrant [00:16:30] the installation of them. [00:16:33] 43.199, which is professional services, [00:16:37] that would include, we've got 5,000 in there, that would include [00:16:43] the annual golf cart [00:16:47] studies for renewal of our permits that we would have to do. [00:16:51] We had a decrease in [00:16:56] 44.011, that's travel and training, of about $500. [00:17:01] 44.331, that's trash removal. [00:17:10] We went from 20,000 to [00:17:13] 30,000. That includes our neighborhood cleanup, [00:17:18] our illegal dumping that we have to [00:17:22] take into consideration, which is increased, [00:17:27] and then the increased cost for disposal. [00:17:31] 44.351, water and sewer, [00:17:35] that increased from 40,000 to 50,000. Those [00:17:39] are a 4% expected increase [00:17:44] of our rates. That's the new meters that we [00:17:48] are installing now. [00:17:54] 45.262, that's trees, [00:17:57] that has gone from 1,300 to 2,000. That includes our adopt-a-tree program, [00:18:03] as well as a replacement of trees that are [00:18:08] hit by vehicles on the right-of-way. [00:18:11] We do have a decrease [00:18:14] in automotive parts, that's [00:18:17] down to 15,000 from 20,000, [00:18:21] and obviously that's with our leasing program that we have. [00:18:25] Newer vehicles out on the road, we're expected to reduce those costs. [00:18:29] This division, without including the [00:18:32] personnel services, had an increase of [00:18:36] 4.9%, and [00:18:41] just a real quick [00:18:44] reversal, [00:18:48] the 101 division, public work supervision, without the [00:18:52] personnel services, we had a reduction of 1.16%. [00:18:57] This division, as well as 101, did not have any capital, [00:19:06] purchases. [00:19:11] Take any questions? [00:19:13] So, we go back to line item 44331, trash removal, [00:19:19] so that's a 50% increase [00:19:22] over, well, it's actually over [00:19:26] the amended budget for 2023. [00:19:30] Now, you mentioned that included our neighborhood cleanup program, [00:19:35] we do that twice a year, right? [00:19:38] That's a very successful program, and I think [00:19:42] our residents take well advantage of that. [00:19:46] You also talked about cleanup, about illegal dumping, and I think I [00:19:49] clearly understand that, but the expense for [00:19:53] the routine yard waste removal, that's not in this line item, is that correct? [00:20:01] No, sir, that's under 43485, that's trash grinding. [00:20:12] That's at 20,000, that remained the same. [00:20:15] So, 44, give me that number again, I'm trying to find it. [00:20:23] That's under 43485. [00:20:27] Okay, so that, [00:20:32] the trash grinding is not only the grinding, but is also the expense of [00:20:36] picking up and delivering it to the grinding station? [00:20:39] Not all of it, this [00:20:43] portion is for the contractual services that we do. [00:20:46] So, the other expense is, [00:20:51] where is that expense budgeted for? [00:20:56] Personnel services, where you hand out those people that are assigned to that. [00:21:01] What about equipment that's used for that service? [00:21:03] And that's in the street maintenance division. [00:21:05] So that's hard to identify exactly what that cost is, or no? [00:21:09] It's not, because it's three employees, and so you can quantify that. [00:21:15] We can quantify the vehicles that we have. [00:21:18] We can look up the fuel that they expend, [00:21:22] the repairs that are done, performed on them through the year. [00:21:26] So it's not, we've, we've gathered that information for [00:21:28] city council before a few times. [00:21:31] I'm just trying to look at it from the budget standpoint, but okay, thank you. [00:21:34] Is November and what's the other month where we have trash pick up? [00:21:40] I have a spring clean up, so it's around, yeah. [00:21:43] I did, I, somebody was asking me the months the other day, and [00:21:47] I thought one was in November, but I couldn't remember when the other one was. [00:21:54] Might be important to note that when Robert developed the specifications for [00:22:00] bid for a trash hauler, he did include that the successful bidder [00:22:07] would assume the cost of all of the city's trash removal at our facilities. [00:22:15] And so you'll notice a decrease, even though we didn't program it into our [00:22:21] budget documents for trash removal from all of our facilities. [00:22:27] And so we won't have that expense in future years if we award the bid. [00:22:33] The next division is 106, that's our facilities maintenance. [00:22:38] It's on page 12. [00:22:40] Line item 43474, security services, that's our monitoring. [00:22:50] We have a price increase from 1,700 to 2,600. [00:22:55] We have line item 43499, that's contractual services. [00:23:04] That's from 60,000 to 70,000. [00:23:08] That takes care of a lot of the contractual work that we have on our HVAC systems, [00:23:14] electrical work, plumbing work, those types of, of trades. [00:23:22] And we have line item 45251, that's janitorial supplies. [00:23:28] We have gone up from 30,000 to 35,000. [00:23:33] The price increases with the inflation is warranted those types of increases. [00:23:39] This division did not have any capital that was included in it. [00:23:44] And again, if we excluded the personnel services, we were up to a 3.93% increase. [00:24:00] Do you have any questions? [00:24:03] Next we'll go to division 110. [00:24:19] This is grounds maintenance or parks maintenance, those, those groups of guys. [00:24:27] So if we look at 43499, contractual services. [00:24:35] We actually have a decrease from 25,000 to 20,000. [00:24:42] We have line item 44121, that's telephone local. [00:24:48] An increase of $400, that's a new service for an iPad. [00:24:52] 44351, water and sewer. [00:24:59] That's an increase from 38,000 to 55. [00:25:04] Included in that is the 4% increase, more events, [00:25:09] as well as new meters, tracking better. [00:25:12] So that's the increase on that. [00:25:15] We have, let's see, 45211, that is fuel. [00:25:27] That's gone from 17,000 to 21,000. [00:25:31] That's with the price increase of the fuel, especially diesel. [00:25:36] We move down to 45251, that's janitorial supplies. [00:25:42] We've had an increase from 20 to 25 price increase. [00:25:48] With, on all of the materials that we purchase. [00:25:52] We did have a decrease in the automotive parts from 5,000 to 4,000. [00:25:58] And again, that's because of the newer fleet that we, that we have. [00:26:03] And this division did not have any capital as well. [00:26:08] And if we included, excluded personnel services, we were at a 4.41% increase. [00:26:24] So this next division is division 114, do you have a question? [00:26:30] The, the water and sewer, you know, another fairly significant increase there. [00:26:38] And we talk about new meters, right? [00:26:40] And I know that we're in a process of, of [00:26:44] converting our existing meters into our new meters. [00:26:50] Is that going to be complete this year, or [00:26:52] how long will that conversion, is it scheduled to take? [00:26:56] We're expecting it to be completed by December of this year. [00:27:01] So, so the new meter cost is really in this year as opposed to, [00:27:11] well, I guess it'll be part of this year, right, 23. [00:27:13] So we wouldn't, that, that new, that new meter cost would not be in the next budget, for example. [00:27:21] The balance of what was left on the project, [00:27:24] because obviously the contractor gets paid after he performs the work. [00:27:28] Right, so, so, so once, once meters are paid for, [00:27:35] then, you know, we, we would maybe be looking for that to dwindle back down a little bit. [00:27:41] I know we could have the cost increase of 4% times the 38, [00:27:45] picking us up in the low 40s, but, but, but that's, [00:27:50] those meters have a pretty lengthy lifespan, if I understand correctly. [00:27:54] Yes, sir, we would be looking at 20 years, and with these new meters, [00:27:59] they have a, they calibrate different than the old mechanical ones. [00:28:03] So, by the time, by the time a mechanical one loses its lifespan, [00:28:07] you've lost probably 50%, more than 50% at a low flow rate, as far as what it's reading. [00:28:15] These new meters are, are different. [00:28:17] They will maintain a 99%. [00:28:19] Well, they're not paying for themselves. [00:28:22] Correct. [00:28:23] Right. [00:28:23] Your, your revenue should stay more consistent. [00:28:25] I'm personally aware of the need for new meters. [00:28:27] Right. [00:28:27] From time to time. [00:28:28] So, okay, I just, I, you know, that, to me, that is, [00:28:36] I know it's not, but it's like a capital expenditure, right? [00:28:40] You know, I would, in my view, would be that, the new meters would be, [00:28:44] would be that, because you're really investing in your. [00:28:47] Sure. [00:28:47] Facilities that's going to pay for years to come. [00:28:49] So, I just, I don't want to skid that into a budget, [00:28:53] then, that we carry forward from year to year to year, so, thanks. [00:28:57] So, the next division we have is 114. [00:29:01] This is the new division. [00:29:04] It's the parking structure, and this division is shared in three parts, [00:29:11] by the city, by the college, Kaiser University, and [00:29:16] then by the hotel that was just constructed, the Comfort Inn. [00:29:21] And so, when we look at personnel services, what you will see is we [00:29:26] transferred one of our maintenance workers from the street division over there. [00:29:32] So, it's not technically a new employee, but [00:29:38] what happens with this division is the, we, [00:29:42] the city will send it over to Kaiser, as well as the hotel. [00:29:47] And then they will pay their share, and then at the end of the year, [00:29:51] if we have to do a true up, then the true up is performed. [00:29:55] Whether we came under budget and had to give money back. [00:30:00] or whether there was an increase [00:30:03] and they needed to pay a little bit more. [00:30:05] And it does include the two shuttle drivers that we have. [00:30:11] You will see overtime in there. [00:30:13] That is line item 41, 411. [00:30:17] That is strictly due to the times [00:30:21] when we don't have a driver, [00:30:25] or we only have one and we're running two [00:30:28] and now we've got to go ahead [00:30:30] and have one of our maintenance workers [00:30:34] from a street division or from the parks division [00:30:37] go ahead and fill in to keep that shuttle on the road. [00:30:42] And so that's where the need for that overtime is arrived. [00:30:47] Might get a council member to drive it every now and then. [00:30:55] So we had a decrease in 43, 430. [00:30:58] That's parking lot maintenance. [00:31:00] And again, this division is so new, [00:31:02] we're kind of adjusting as we go. [00:31:06] And I would also imagine that some line items like this, [00:31:10] as we move a little further down, [00:31:12] may increase, they'll go down, [00:31:14] then they may come up one year, [00:31:16] but eventually I believe we'll get it to where [00:31:19] it'll level out to where the maintenance will stay even. [00:31:24] Right now we're blessed with a new parking structure. [00:31:28] And so a lot of those maintenance items [00:31:29] that you would perform are not needed. [00:31:35] So that was decreased from 5,000 to 2,000. [00:31:42] 44, 311 electric. [00:31:45] That did go up from 8,000 to 15,000. [00:31:50] And again, we're having full operations of the facilities [00:31:55] with security systems, with the chargers, [00:31:59] and all of that that it takes to run the parking garage. [00:32:02] And our hours have been expected to increase. [00:32:04] We're going to 24, seven now with the opening of the hotel. [00:32:10] So we tried to take in all of those items. [00:32:17] 44, 463, that's leasing of the automobile. [00:32:21] That's a transfer of an existing vehicle over. [00:32:25] Well, I take that back, I'm sorry. [00:32:28] It is a transfer of a regular vehicle, [00:32:31] but the vehicle is expected to be replaced [00:32:34] in the leasing program. [00:32:35] And so that's the increase of the 8,430 [00:32:40] is that scheduled replacement. [00:32:45] And then 45, 211, that is fuel. [00:32:49] We have an increase there at $2,000. [00:32:56] There was nothing in there. [00:32:57] We didn't have the vehicle last year in there. [00:33:00] And then we have 45, 225, that's software license support. [00:33:06] That includes the chargers that we have now [00:33:11] with their annual renewal. [00:33:13] And Ms. Vance and I have talked about, [00:33:17] we've got several EV stations up now. [00:33:21] They've been there a while. [00:33:23] And I think it's time that maybe we present to you [00:33:28] the option that you may have [00:33:29] as far as wanting to charge for those stations now, [00:33:33] because there is a cost associated with them. [00:33:36] Our operation of them. [00:33:38] Correct. [00:33:39] And not, I look at the electricity charge, right? [00:33:41] And we're paying that. [00:33:42] And so I just, I just curious, [00:33:46] it'd be interesting to, [00:33:48] I'm sure that you've got a meter on those [00:33:49] that we know how much they're being used and so forth. [00:33:53] And just, and obviously the parking garage facility, [00:34:04] and it's being open 24 seven, right? [00:34:06] It is currently. [00:34:07] So anybody could pop in there [00:34:09] and charge a car anytime, right? [00:34:11] True. [00:34:12] You have security at the structure. [00:34:14] 80 grand a year, right? [00:34:16] Currently, yes. [00:34:18] But we don't open up all four levels [00:34:21] of the structure at all times. [00:34:23] So we... [00:34:24] Charging levels are what? [00:34:26] Levels one and two? [00:34:28] We have charging levels on all four floors. [00:34:31] Yes, sir. [00:34:37] Not on a regular basis. [00:34:39] Where do we charge our... [00:34:41] We have a couple chargers out here for the electric. [00:34:46] And the trams? [00:34:47] All the trams are, [00:34:48] they go back to the old maintenance building [00:34:52] just south of the rec center by those basketball courts. [00:34:57] We constructed a pre-manufactured building. [00:35:03] They drive inside there and they've got their chargers [00:35:06] and stuff like that. [00:35:08] So they're inside. [00:35:10] I mean, you could be inside it. [00:35:12] Put the charger in the right place, [00:35:14] you'd be inside at the parking garage too. [00:35:17] It's okay. [00:35:18] Just curious. [00:35:24] And so this division had no capital as well. [00:35:27] And we looked at a 6.84% increase. [00:35:36] The next division that we're looking at [00:35:38] is division one of three, [00:35:39] that is the stormwater utility. [00:35:45] We looked down at line item 43-199, [00:35:51] professional service miscellaneous. [00:35:53] We had a decrease from 195,000 to 150,000. [00:36:01] That was, last year we had the vulnerability study budgeted. [00:36:07] And so that was a large portion of that 195. [00:36:11] Right now, we should finish the vulnerability study [00:36:14] in December, I think, November or December. [00:36:17] So there is a portion of the 150 [00:36:19] that's included to the vulnerability study. [00:36:24] We are also proposing a stormwater master plan update. [00:36:29] A 10-year update is typically what the city performs. [00:36:34] So that dollar amount would also be included in that 150. [00:36:38] And then we have to do a water quality report [00:36:41] that's mandated by our NPDES permit. [00:36:46] And so those are those types of unfunded permits. [00:36:49] I will say this though, out of the 195, [00:36:54] I believe it was 185 for the vulnerability analysis [00:37:00] that did come from a grant that was awarded to the city. [00:37:03] So while you are looking at a large number, [00:37:06] it really didn't cost us anything. [00:37:08] We just had to put the money up front. [00:37:12] How often does the water quality study have to be performed? [00:37:16] The water quality study, I can't answer that. [00:37:20] And the reason why I can't is we have our NPDES permit, [00:37:23] which is every five years. [00:37:25] And then they have cycles one, two, three, four, five. [00:37:29] So your permit comes out and that's when they'll tell you [00:37:33] what kind of water quality samples they want, [00:37:35] what kind of reports they want from it, [00:37:37] all of that type of thing. [00:37:39] And so now I think we're in cycle three, I believe. [00:37:43] I'd have to verify that. [00:37:45] But that's where we're doing our, [00:37:48] now we're having to do our reports [00:37:50] on the sampling that we've collected. [00:37:54] Just curiosity, does their request change [00:37:58] from year to year based on the year before? [00:37:59] Well, it may change, but what they do [00:38:02] is when you have that five year report, [00:38:04] you'll know when it's gonna change. [00:38:07] And so the only thing, the one thing that I can tell you [00:38:10] is while we have done sampling in the past [00:38:13] at our major outfalls, the river wasn't classified as impaired. [00:38:20] And so that was great news. [00:38:22] So while there is work to be done, [00:38:26] and while we can impact it by doing a better job [00:38:31] in cleaning the water quality up, [00:38:34] it didn't get classified as impaired. [00:38:38] So that's huge. [00:38:52] So we had a reduction in line item 44999 [00:38:58] that is listed as other charges miscellaneous. [00:39:02] Basically it's vehicle registration. [00:39:04] We had a decrease from 1,000 to 200. [00:39:09] We had no new vehicles that we're getting. [00:39:12] We did have an increase in 45211. [00:39:17] That's fuel, went from 27,000 to 30,000. [00:39:23] And then we had a decline in 45289, [00:39:28] that's automotive parts. [00:39:30] We went from 15,000 down to 10,000. [00:39:35] That was the, you know, again, [00:39:37] due to the leasing program, newer vehicles. [00:39:42] We do have an increase in 45321. [00:39:46] That's signs and sign materials [00:39:49] where we planning doing a little more purchasing [00:39:52] of some barricades and cones and signage and stuff [00:39:56] for, you know, when we have more frequent storm events [00:40:00] and we need to replace a lot of the existing items [00:40:04] that we have now. [00:40:09] And so when we look at this, [00:40:11] this division had a decrease of negative 10.26%, [00:40:17] but in all honesty, that was mainly [00:40:20] the professional services with the grant, yes. [00:40:26] And so this division did have capital. [00:40:33] And the one capital that we're concerned, [00:40:36] not gonna talk too much about line item 46399, [00:40:40] and it calls out all of your projects here. [00:40:43] We're gonna talk about that in our CIP. [00:40:47] Every project that you see that's listed there at the top. [00:40:51] What we would be looking at for tonight [00:40:54] strictly would be 46415. [00:40:58] That's under trucks and trailers. [00:41:00] That would be the purchase of a vacuum line truck. [00:41:06] Those are those huge trucks that you see out on the road [00:41:09] with the big hose and things. [00:41:11] The one that people reach about at four o'clock [00:41:13] in the morning. [00:41:14] Yeah, yeah, exactly. [00:41:15] The existing one that we have is a 2003. [00:41:18] So it's seen its better days. [00:41:20] We're proposing a five-year lease to purchase, [00:41:23] almost like we did with our sewer collections vehicle. [00:41:26] The vehicle, the trucks are rather expensive. [00:41:29] So the way we've had less impact with our utilities now [00:41:32] is typically we've been able to take and lease, [00:41:35] but utilize the vehicle immediately [00:41:39] and spread that capital over a certain amount of time. [00:41:47] Are there any questions? [00:41:52] How many of those vehicles do we have? [00:41:55] Two. [00:41:59] And they get used. [00:42:00] How old is the other one? [00:42:02] We just purchased the other one. [00:42:05] I wanna say it's probably five years. [00:42:09] Do you remember making a payment this year? [00:42:11] I don't think it's more than five years old. [00:42:13] Somewhere around there. [00:42:15] It's fairly new. [00:42:21] The next division is division 105. [00:42:25] That is water production, [00:42:29] or basically the water treatment plant. [00:42:32] And so if we look at line item 43199, [00:42:42] that's professional services, [00:42:45] we have a decrease, [00:42:49] or I'm sorry, we have an increase [00:42:51] from 75,000 to 105,000. [00:42:55] And that's basically the implementation [00:42:59] of the lead and copper rule [00:43:01] and the lead service line replacement program [00:43:05] implementation. [00:43:07] It's all intertwined together. [00:43:13] And that, if you remember that, [00:43:15] that's directly related to the Detroit water system. [00:43:20] And so the EPA came down a few years after that [00:43:25] and implemented all of these guidelines [00:43:27] that we have to now start to, [00:43:29] we have to identify now we have to take [00:43:31] and implement a program. [00:43:36] If you look at 45221, that's under chemicals. [00:43:42] And that has increased from approximately 130,000 [00:43:48] to 180,000. [00:43:51] And all I can tell you is that when you look, [00:43:54] we've got a couple more divisions in here. [00:43:56] We were able to maintain nine out of the, [00:44:01] wait a minute, let me go back. [00:44:02] 12, let's see, 10 out of the 13 divisions [00:44:07] we were able to keep it right around [00:44:09] the requested percentage that was directed by the CM. [00:44:14] But when we got into water production, [00:44:16] when we got into the other division [00:44:18] with the wastewater treatment plant, [00:44:20] and you started looking at your chemicals, [00:44:22] you started looking at sludge disposal, [00:44:24] those types of activities went through the roof. [00:44:27] Now, we have been trying to do other things. [00:44:31] We've been looking at different treatment processes. [00:44:34] We've been looking at trying to see [00:44:36] if there is other treatment processes, [00:44:38] can maybe we alter some of our chemicals [00:44:41] to try to reduce those costs. [00:44:43] We've sat there and looked at Pasco County [00:44:47] to see if maybe we can piggyback on the contracts and stuff. [00:44:50] But right now, it seems like everybody [00:44:53] is holding the line at these increased costs. [00:45:00] The only thing that I can say is I believe we've done our due diligence, we do have contracts [00:45:06] in place, but what we definitely are going to be doing is we're going to be looking at [00:45:11] what the market does, and just because we have a contract that maybe might have a three [00:45:17] year initial term, it definitely does not mean that we're going to stay with that three [00:45:21] year term. [00:45:23] We'll go ahead and go out to bid, if we see the market start to go down, we'll go out [00:45:27] to bid immediately. [00:45:28] I don't care if the contract is six months old or three months old. [00:45:32] So with that being said, again the chemicals went from $130,000 to $150,000, laboratory [00:45:40] supplies at $45,000, $22,000 went from $8,000 to $15,000, and then $45,000, $24,000 computer [00:45:53] supplies that went from $1,500 to $5,000, we have four computers that are scheduled [00:46:00] to replace, they're probably the oldest ones in the utility. [00:46:12] And so we were able to keep this at a $2.49, but again that was with some reductions. [00:46:21] I think we approved some extra expenditures or was it a budget amendment for chemical [00:46:29] cost this past year, it seems to me that we had some discussion about chemical cost and [00:46:36] we had to either... [00:46:37] Yeah, we're expecting to blow the budget. [00:46:40] When you have a contract and you say you're a three-year contract and you want to re-bid [00:46:44] at six months, they're not holding you to the three-year contract? [00:46:46] We always put a clause in there that states that we give them 30 days and there's no reason, [00:46:53] you don't have to give any reason. [00:46:56] And so we also have the clause that if we want to renew it, then it has both parties [00:47:03] have to renew. [00:47:06] But to be able to get out of the contract, we've got it to where we don't have to give [00:47:10] an excuse, just a notice of a time frame, which is 30 days, and it's going to take us [00:47:14] longer than 30 days to get everything out to bid and review the bid documents and get [00:47:20] it in front of you all for approval. [00:47:29] So then if we look over in capital, this division did have capital. [00:47:34] This is on page 25. [00:47:39] We're proposing to clean, inspect, and paint the ground storage tank. [00:47:44] That's at $175,000. [00:47:45] I'm sorry, that's line item 46,345. [00:47:53] Line item 43,699, improvements to other than buildings. [00:47:58] This is just the $10,000 that we put in for basically I guess R&R for anything that can [00:48:06] be depreciated. [00:48:07] In other words, we do have well houses as an example. [00:48:11] If we needed to replace the roof, that's where this dollar amount would come out of. [00:48:19] We are requesting $50,000 line item 46,417. [00:48:26] That's communication equipment, the SCADA PLCs and components. [00:48:31] This is the finishing up of the conversion. [00:48:36] We just have this, this, and we have the wastewater treatment plant to finish up, and all of our [00:48:42] lift stations have been converted. [00:48:46] And then line item 46,431, that's special purpose equipment. [00:48:51] Those are, there are three items there. [00:48:53] I believe we've got the chloride bulk storage tank replacement, a field meter, and two field [00:49:01] meters for approximately $15,000 that we're proposing. [00:49:06] Do you have any questions? [00:49:17] The elevated storage tanks, remove and replace, I'm assuming that R&R, right? [00:49:27] On the capital equipment, right? [00:49:32] But it's not, we're not planning on replacing it. [00:49:35] In other words, this would be money that's put aside for us to have to take and do repairs [00:49:45] that would cost more than the $5,000? [00:49:50] Well, that's, that, okay, that, as I was saying, we have to do that every year because you've [00:49:55] got to mark the same amount for future years. [00:49:57] Correct. [00:49:58] You're just, so are we actually spending that money in that year, or are we budgeting it [00:50:06] into a sinking fund to use? [00:50:09] We're putting it into a fund on an annual basis because, for financial reasons, and [00:50:16] if I get it wrong, Crystal, please let me know. [00:50:19] But anything that depreciates, it has to come out of capital funds. [00:50:25] Yeah, okay. [00:50:26] R&R. [00:50:27] You represented it, probably, at length. [00:50:35] So, page 26, this division is 107, this is water and reclaimed water distribution. [00:50:49] On item 44.134, we had a decrease of $500 from $2,000 to $1,500. [00:50:59] This was due to us converting from laptops to an iPad. [00:51:04] There's, I guess, the Wi-Fi is cheaper, however that process is, and so that's what we're [00:51:12] in the process of looking at with our other divisions. [00:51:17] And then when we look down at 45.299, that's operating supplies miscellaneous, we had an [00:51:23] increase from $25,000 to $30,000, and that's due to inflation and the price increases [00:51:31] of materials. [00:51:42] I didn't notice here, on this line item, we do have a line item for meters. [00:52:02] Yes, sir. [00:52:03] It looks like a $200,000 there, and a 2023, I'm assuming that. [00:52:04] You have, this division is water distribution, and so you have meters that go bad. [00:52:07] You have areas, maybe, that you are, this dollar amount. [00:52:14] These are meters other than residential meters, is what I'm trying to get to, all right? [00:52:20] Correct. [00:52:21] Okay, all right. [00:52:22] And so that line item purchases those meters. [00:52:33] We had a reduction of 2.04%. [00:52:38] We did have some capital that's on page 29, and basically the division isn't purchasing [00:52:49] anything, but it is a utility, and so what we try to do is put that R&R in there so that [00:52:56] if you'll look at 464116 under heavy equipment, you'll look at the John Deere payloader. [00:53:03] It's expected to be replaced in 2425, so instead of coming up with $600,000, what we've tried [00:53:14] to do when it comes to the utility is just put a certain amount every year to where it [00:53:19] goes into a bank account, and then it doesn't have such an impact on the utility once we [00:53:24] go to purchase it. [00:53:33] So the next division is division 109. [00:53:38] This is our construction services division. [00:53:45] The line item 44121, telephone local, that had an increase of $500. [00:53:55] It went from $2,200 to $2,700, and that was the price increase on the cell phone that [00:54:06] we have. [00:54:08] We did have a decrease in line item 45225, that's software licenses and support. [00:54:18] That went from $6,000 down to $4,000. [00:54:23] That was due to the GIS charges and us converting over into the new system that IT has presented [00:54:32] to us. [00:54:34] This division had a negative 3.62 decrease, and there was no capital. [00:54:42] I just got to smile for a second. [00:54:45] On 44211 postage, you bought $5 worth of stamps in 2021, and they lasted you until this year. [00:54:56] That's like 10 stamps, forever stamps. [00:55:03] The next division that we have is division 111. [00:55:08] This is the reclaimed water production over at the plant. [00:55:13] This is the other division that had a considerable cost increase. [00:55:19] I would like to just remind you, though, that Pasco County pays, they're averaging around [00:55:26] 70% to 80% of this division. [00:55:29] That's actually the reclaim that they take. [00:55:32] Last year, they ended up paying 70.12% of this division's budget, so obviously that's [00:55:42] helped out considerably. [00:55:45] If you look at line item 41527, that's in personnel services, it is an increase from [00:55:54] $11,090 to almost $20,000. [00:55:59] That's to incorporate the personnel for the SCADA standby. [00:56:04] I know that we've talked about the different things that we're implementing in our SCADA, [00:56:09] and that's basically a lot of the increases that we're going to be looking at now are [00:56:14] that security that we have to have. [00:56:19] We will be coming to you in the next division asking for an additional person, what we would [00:56:24] call a SCADA network administrator or coordinator. [00:56:32] What federal guidelines dictate to us is that we're supposed to be separated from the city's [00:56:38] system when it comes to security. [00:56:45] It's going to cause us, instead of paying ... We looked at it, and the cost for consulting [00:56:51] services versus being able to have someone on staff that would be able to utilize them [00:56:58] was more. [00:57:00] It was more cost effective for us to request a position from you to where that person can [00:57:06] go ahead and do everything that's needed to the implementation of the system, the monitoring [00:57:13] of it, the collection of data, everything that's required of the security system. [00:57:23] This is for the standby that we'll have. [00:57:27] Our thought process is we'll have the administrator, a one and a two person, and hopefully we can [00:57:34] get a couple other guys through training to where they can get more knowledgeable about [00:57:41] the system to where we can rotate that call and keep our costs down to be able to be available [00:57:50] 24-7 in case we have any kind of security breaches, any kind of system failures, that [00:57:55] type of thing. [00:57:56] That additional person that we're talking about to help with that security, what division [00:58:04] is that going to be in? [00:58:05] Is that going to be under the water and sewer? [00:58:08] In this plant, when you look at the wastewater treatment plant, you want to look at it like [00:58:14] it's two plants. [00:58:16] It has that inflow. [00:58:17] One's water and one's reclaimed water, right? [00:58:21] Yes. [00:58:22] So this person is going to be under the water production? [00:58:26] No, this person will come under the next division, which would be pollution control. [00:58:32] Pasco County pays about 49% of that division. [00:58:37] So part to that question, you were already ahead of me, was that the county on this division [00:58:43] pays 70-80%. [00:58:47] What determines what the percentage actually is? [00:58:49] Because this person will also be responsible for our water plant. [00:58:54] They'll also be responsible for all of our lift stations that we have out in the field [00:58:58] and not just the plant itself. [00:59:03] And then on the reclaimed water production area, you mentioned that the county pays 70-80% [00:59:11] of that particular cost, right? [00:59:15] Is the usage, what exact percentage, you said they paid 71 or 72, the exact percentage is [00:59:21] based upon their use of the amount of the water, or how does that... [00:59:25] They paid 70.12% last year, and it's based on, we have an interlocal agreement, and it's [00:59:31] based on a methodology that is probably two pages long, but it gives you the percentages [00:59:38] in a nutshell. [00:59:41] Whatever influence comes into that plant and we treat and Pasco County takes back is part [00:59:48] of this. [00:59:49] So as the lead owner, they're paying us to treat their wastewater and to give it back [00:59:56] to them in reclaimed, correct? [01:00:00] And so it's based on the amount that comes in. [01:00:04] The volume, right. [01:00:04] Yes, the volume. [01:00:05] Volume, so. [01:00:06] Yes, sir. [01:00:07] And so, just curious, and I know they're doing some expansion work to their, some of their facilities. [01:00:16] And I don't know if that's, if you're anticipating for future growth or what, but could that, could that change dramatically in any given year? [01:00:25] Could we all of a sudden say, hey, they don't need it, or don't want it, or whatever the case may be. [01:00:28] And now we're down, we're, we're, we're assuming the majority of this cost, or. [01:00:33] I'm not saying. [01:00:34] I'm looking at. [01:00:36] I'm not saying that it could never happen. [01:00:38] I would just tell you that the chances of it are highly unlikely. [01:00:42] It's, they own part of our plant, and it would be a long term practice. [01:00:50] They would have to do the same thing we basically would have to if we decided to relocate our facility. [01:00:56] There'd be a lot of, there'd be several years of modeling. [01:00:59] There'd be another year, a few years of taking and having to readjust your system to where you could re-divert those flows. [01:01:09] So, you would, you would know it years, years in advance. [01:01:15] But I don't, right now there's no. [01:01:17] Right. [01:01:18] Yeah, right now there's no talk about that. [01:01:21] And everything is being developed so fast. [01:01:23] I don't, I don't see where that would happen. [01:01:27] Their, their expansions to their plants right now are trying to catch up to the new development that's around them. [01:01:34] Well, I just, you know, you know, probably maybe concerns are needless. [01:01:41] But it's, you know, I look at our water sewer operation. [01:01:46] Maybe not a good analogy, but to, you know, a major football program in a major university, right? [01:01:53] Is that it's, it's a big, big operation, expensive. [01:01:59] But it's also important to the bottom line. [01:02:02] It allows the city to provide a lot of different services for residents. [01:02:07] And I just want to make, and I don't have any fear. [01:02:14] But I just, other than that, are we looking far enough down the line? [01:02:19] Are we making sure we have guard rails to keep things from veering too far one way or the other? [01:02:29] And I, and I think your experience that you've had in, in this operation shows that we have that in place. [01:02:34] But it's still such a big, important part of the city's operation. [01:02:39] Can't help it. [01:02:40] Still want to make sure that we're there, so. [01:02:42] Well, Councilman, your, your cautious approach is very much appreciated by us. [01:02:48] And it's rightful, without question. [01:02:52] And we're, we're guarded, too, because we want to protect our enterprise fund. [01:02:57] We don't have much opportunity for that in our budget as a whole. [01:03:03] And so it's, it's very important to us. [01:03:06] And one of the reasons we're driven to make decisions like, let's not contract out anymore for these services to protect our SCADA. [01:03:15] And let's bring on an employee that can do it and save some money. [01:03:20] Not only that, you don't, you, you contract it out to get, they have to get educated time every time they send somebody here. [01:03:27] Yeah, we were, we were spending a good amount and due to spend more next year. [01:03:32] So this just makes sense for us. [01:03:35] And before you go on, Robert, I want to go back a little bit. [01:03:39] Because I took note in construction services of an error that I didn't notice sooner. [01:03:47] And that relates to a position that we transferred into the department that isn't noted. [01:03:55] And that was from building, the building division, into construction services. [01:04:03] And together we can talk a little bit about that. [01:04:06] And we do not currently have a position in the building department that is responsible for [01:04:16] site inspections for commercial development in the city. [01:04:23] And we are required in the building department to spend [01:04:30] our permit fees that are generated in the city on building department functions exclusively. [01:04:39] And we even budget and account for them independent of other sources of revenue in the city. [01:04:46] It's a very important function. [01:04:48] We're in a position where we're generating healthy revenues from our permit fees so [01:04:56] that we can afford to take on someone now to assume those responsibilities. [01:05:03] And it makes some sense organizationally to house that person in construction services. [01:05:11] So they not only have the benefit of working with the team that does construction services. [01:05:18] But also so that they have a supervisor in construction services. [01:05:25] And so we want to house them in Robert's department, [01:05:29] even though they'll be paid for out of Dale's department. [01:05:34] That's what we have in mind. [01:05:35] Do you have something else, Dale or Robert, to add? [01:05:39] I think that, put them where they're needed. [01:05:44] How's Dale feel for paying for something that he didn't have any control of? [01:05:48] Well, Dale actually generated the idea for the position. [01:05:53] And he's not at all territorial? [01:05:55] Yeah, not at all. [01:05:56] I think it's a great position that we needed within the city. [01:05:59] Whether it's housing, whether it's planning a building department, [01:06:02] or whether it's how a department works. [01:06:03] We really got to the point where departments and [01:06:09] individuals will be doing a lot of time in our department. [01:06:12] And as well as in the field, as I can imagine. [01:06:14] So having a building in the city, I think it's a great addition. [01:06:24] And we'll make the correction in [01:06:29] the construction services budget before your next reading. [01:06:35] Item 44611, maintenance to building and grounds. [01:06:41] You'll see a price increase $41,000 to $61,000. [01:06:48] That is. [01:06:49] Price increase, PM. [01:06:54] Do we have PM services on that? [01:07:06] The project management services for [01:07:10] the motor that we have to change out, as well as painting. [01:07:18] Yeah, and we've got maintenance on the valves and [01:07:23] stuff that we need to perform that the guys have [01:07:28] identified, which has caused that increase. [01:07:36] And then on 45221, chemicals. [01:07:42] That went from 145 to 174,000. [01:07:48] And those are those chemicals that we talked about and [01:07:51] we brought in front of you. [01:07:53] And so we have reached out to Pasco County to see if [01:07:57] what the possibilities may be that because we are part owners of [01:08:02] the facilities is that maybe we could join together. [01:08:06] Economy of scale type of purchasing to see if it would lower the cost. [01:08:12] And so we are looking at every avenue that we can. [01:08:18] Laboratory supplies. [01:08:24] We have budgeted that went up 8,000 from 200 to 8,200. [01:08:32] That is actually for testing in case we have any discharges [01:08:39] that come from the plant, and not discharge of sewage, but [01:08:42] discharge of treated reclaimed water. [01:08:46] Whenever we have to do that, then of course DEP and [01:08:51] our operating permit dictates to us what types of parameters we have to test for. [01:08:57] And those tests can be quite expensive, so [01:09:00] we've budgeted some money in there just in case that may happen. [01:09:08] And then we have an increase in 45243, that's computers. [01:09:14] We've got two new computers that are expected to be replaced. [01:09:21] In this division had a 10.58% increase. [01:09:30] But again, the good news of all of it is Pasco County does pay a considerable amount. [01:09:38] Questions? [01:09:40] The improvement other than building and miscellaneous. [01:09:48] We're running that. [01:09:49] Yeah. [01:09:55] So that, that's under, if you look on the next page, that's 34. [01:10:02] You'll see all of those dollar amounts that total up. [01:10:10] That's a subtotal then, right? [01:10:11] Yes, sir. [01:10:13] So, you know, some of it is the R&R that we talk about, [01:10:17] that we've got to replace pumps, and they're more than $5,000. [01:10:24] And then they've requested to do some of the work that you see here. [01:10:28] We've got some pumps that need to be replaced, some check valves. [01:10:33] We've got sand filter expansion, chemical pumps. [01:10:40] Yeah, I thought it was a separate panel, but that's pretty broad. [01:10:44] I didn't realize it was a summary there, so. [01:10:51] So the next division is division 112. [01:10:55] This division, Pasco County, supplements at a 49.3% rate. [01:11:04] And then, of course, if you look at line item 41.210, [01:11:10] that is that position that we talked about with the SCADA person. [01:11:19] And then, if you go down to the 41.527, that's a standby time. [01:11:25] That's included in there as well. [01:11:28] And that goes from the 12.7 to 24.5. [01:11:34] Line item 43.129, engineering services. [01:11:41] That went down from 106,000 to 80,000. [01:11:45] That is because our renewal for our operating permit has been completed, [01:11:51] and we should be finishing up, I think, in October. [01:11:55] And, of course, that permit did not change as far as the city requesting anything. [01:12:01] We are going to operate our plant the way we normally have in previous permits. [01:12:08] The only thing that changed is DEP has suggested additional testing and [01:12:12] things like that with any kind of discharges or anything that may come about. [01:12:20] Line item 43.199, professional services. [01:12:26] That went from 5,000 to 70,000. [01:12:30] That includes the gravity main assessment, [01:12:34] as well as the SCADA program implementation. [01:12:38] That dollar amount will decrease the following year. [01:12:43] That's a one-time. [01:12:50] And then we have 43.499, that's contractual services. [01:12:58] That was a, almost a $2,500 increase. [01:13:06] That is for odor control system that we need. [01:13:17] We have 44. [01:13:18] Senator, contractual services? [01:13:20] Contractual services, there's a, the, we purchased the materials and [01:13:27] the contractor takes care of the, of the machines, the equipment. [01:13:34] Really? [01:13:34] And so you pay for that. [01:13:41] Is that difficult? [01:13:45] Mm-hm. [01:13:46] What? [01:13:46] The aerators on the fencing system, on the perimeter of the plant? [01:13:54] Yeah, so that's, when that doesn't work, [01:13:56] that's when we get phone calls, right? [01:13:58] Right. [01:13:59] Correct. [01:14:06] And when we did have, and, and I take that back. [01:14:09] We did have a misprint on that. [01:14:10] That was supposed to be 18,000, not the 12-4. [01:14:20] And then line item 44361, sludge removal. [01:14:25] That was a item that we brought before you as well, that is just increased. [01:14:33] And we have worked with consultants to see if there are other treatment ways to [01:14:39] where we can get these costs down, but that, that went up from 525 to 625. [01:14:46] Line item 44419, equipment rental. [01:15:00] That increased from 2,000 to 4,000. [01:15:03] We've got a couple maintenance items that we have to rent a crane [01:15:09] when it comes to working on some of the tanks and the replacement of a check valve. [01:15:18] And we were able to come down on line item 44611, [01:15:22] that's maintenance to building and grounds. [01:15:24] That was down from 103,000 to 100,000. [01:15:31] And we go to the next page, 37, line item 45221, chemicals. [01:15:43] That was an increase from 135 to 180, and again, that went out to bid as well. [01:15:52] So this division had a 13.3% increase. [01:16:01] Look over on page 38, under capital, again, improvements to building and grounds. [01:16:08] We had our R&R at 15,000. [01:16:11] We are proposing to replace a transfer pump at 50,000. [01:16:18] Replace inside seals and coat the inside of the aeration tank, that's at 240,000. [01:16:25] We've got a plow structure that we need to rehabilitate, that's at 106,000. [01:16:32] We've got chemical pump in a slide gate that would total out to 40,000 on the capital end. [01:16:44] And again, this is at 50,000, or 50,000, I'm sorry. [01:16:48] This is almost at 50% Pasco County funded. [01:16:52] Again, like the replacement of the inside seals and coat, [01:16:57] you're budgeting 240 and 250, 260, 270 in the future years. [01:17:01] Is that one-time expenses that is amortized over those years, [01:17:07] or is that a separate item we do each year? [01:17:13] Capital improvements, replace inside seals and coat inside aeration tank, so it's 240,000. [01:17:23] There's more than one tank, and so those are for each, as you're going out up until you get to- [01:17:31] So to speak. [01:17:32] Yes. [01:17:32] And you're planning for- [01:17:34] And so when you look at 27, 28, we would have the option on whether or not to do some type- [01:17:40] Routine again. [01:17:41] Correct. [01:17:41] Start there. [01:17:42] Correct. [01:17:43] So our next division is division 113. [01:17:57] This is sewer collections. [01:18:03] If we look at line item 43199, that's professional services, [01:18:09] we're able to decrease from 140,000 to 60,000. [01:18:14] That was due to the SCADA system migration. [01:18:19] We're, like I had talked about, we're, all sense of purpose is done with the lift station system. [01:18:26] That's been converted, so that's caused that decrease in that. [01:18:32] 43499, contractual services, there was an increase from 30,000 to 40,000. [01:18:39] That's due to a lot of our large repairs that we have and the increase in asphalt prices and the reconstruction of it. [01:18:51] Those are repairs that we can't do in-house, that we will get asphalt contractor to come perform. [01:18:59] The next line item that we have is 44134, that's the data lines. [01:19:06] That went from 4,000 to 5,000. [01:19:08] We included, or we increased it due to an added SCADA line. [01:19:16] 44331, trash removal. [01:19:20] That is obviously price increase from 12,000 to 15,000. [01:19:29] That's a lot of disposal from our water break or sewer breaks that we have. [01:19:36] A lot of the unsuitables. [01:19:37] We have line item 44463, this is a leasing of automobiles. [01:19:43] It was an increase from 52,670 to 60,000. [01:19:49] This is the addition of a scheduled truck, the replacement of it. [01:19:56] We go down to 45243, computer supplies. [01:20:02] That goes from 500 to a request of 2,500. [01:20:07] This is due to the replacement of two computers and one, the addition of one iPad. [01:20:17] And we have 45299, that's operating supplies. [01:20:21] That went from 15,000 to 24,000, and those are price increases. [01:20:28] Believe it or not, one of the things that we've seen a really large increase in is [01:20:32] the gloves, so, I mean, it's just anything and everything. [01:20:38] You do these types of divisions, [01:20:40] everything that they do to do any kind of work costs them money. [01:20:46] And then when we look over, and so the division is itself, [01:20:51] exclude the personnel services in your capital, [01:20:54] we were able to get it down to a negative 8.99. [01:20:59] Capital, let's see here. [01:21:08] We had under this 46399, we had the capital maintenance repairs. [01:21:13] Those are those that are in our account that we have. [01:21:18] And then the only other item that we had in there is a misprint. [01:21:24] We have the 46431, special purpose equipment. [01:21:28] That's a drone. [01:21:30] We had in 15, and it should have been 18,000. [01:21:36] The governor, I don't know if you're aware, has taken in, [01:21:40] told municipalities that they are no longer allowed to [01:21:47] operate or possess any drones that are not 100% American made. [01:21:53] And there's only one company out there, and this is what we're looking at. [01:21:58] And we've become pretty dependent on those things. [01:22:04] The more, once you first get them, the more and [01:22:07] more you start finding out that you can utilize them for a whole lot of things. [01:22:13] We have a lot of antennas out there. [01:22:16] We don't have to take a bucket truck and do inspections. [01:22:19] Facility maintenance can go up and look at the roofs, and [01:22:23] we don't have to get people up on the TPO tops. [01:22:27] We have these storm events. [01:22:28] Public Works is gonna have to do assessments when it comes to yard waste. [01:22:33] We're gonna have to do monitoring of the yard waste as it comes in or [01:22:37] any other type of waste. [01:22:39] Back in the day, you'd have to build structures to get your guys up over top [01:22:44] of the trucks to be able to do your inspections. [01:22:48] Now all the person has to do is just have it up in the air and verify it. [01:22:53] Documentation is just phenomenal. [01:22:58] So that's where we're at with this capital request. [01:23:04] And then the other thing that I would also would say is that if the city has [01:23:09] to activate the EOC, then any types of equipment that we have that fire and [01:23:14] PD can utilize all becomes one. [01:23:18] It's not just Public Works. [01:23:20] And so it would be fully expected that once we activated the EOC, [01:23:26] that now that just becomes another tool for all of the first responders, [01:23:31] whoever needs it, to be able to utilize it when they need it. [01:23:35] So we have one now, are we buying a new one, or are we? [01:23:38] No, we don't, we have one that's grounded. [01:23:40] Public Works has one that's grounded. [01:23:43] It has tiny elements to it that we're no longer allowed to use. [01:23:48] We haven't figured it out. [01:23:55] We're not doing anything with it right now. [01:23:56] It's in a, it's in its case and it's just sitting there. [01:24:00] How many pilots do we have? [01:24:02] One, I believe. [01:24:09] Purchase a new one and get several pilots. [01:24:12] Right. Yeah, well this includes that. [01:24:14] It includes the, you know, the set up with the software, the training, [01:24:17] the whole nine yards. [01:24:19] So we fully would expect. [01:24:20] Robert has one final division. [01:24:32] Yes, division 501, this is the central garage. [01:24:40] We were able to reduce line item 43434, that's record services, [01:24:46] that went from 3500 to 2500. [01:24:51] We feel like the leasing program, you know, [01:24:54] is just another benefit that comes with it. [01:24:57] We've got a newer fleet, less towing that we've had to perform. [01:25:03] So we reduced that line item. [01:25:07] We were able to reduce 43437, that's auto repair and testing. [01:25:14] We went from 30,000 to 20. [01:25:19] We did do an increase in line item 43447, that's fuel resale. [01:25:25] Went from 300,000 to 400,000 and [01:25:29] the main bulk of that is the diesel prices are just out of control. [01:25:33] And, you know, we might be trying to go to hybrids and electrics and [01:25:37] stuff like that, but public works has a lot of vehicles that are heavy equipment. [01:25:43] And diesel's still the only way to go. [01:25:48] Line item 44134, data lines. [01:25:53] That includes the fiber lines that are connecting the buildings now over at [01:25:58] the garage, the upgrade, that's at a $4500 figure. [01:26:05] We have 44351, water and sewer. [01:26:10] That went from 4,000 to 6,000. [01:26:13] And that, that is it for operating costs. [01:26:27] The division did have one capital request and [01:26:33] that was under line item 46431, special purpose [01:26:38] equipment, it's not printed in this section, but [01:26:43] the division is requesting a new battery tester for the fleet. [01:26:48] And that's at a cost of $4,000. [01:26:54] And so this division, we had an increase of 13.68%. [01:26:59] And obviously most of that was due to the resale of fuel. [01:27:03] I'm sorry. [01:27:15] Available positions in your department? [01:27:19] I think we were down 22, was that last or no? [01:27:25] I think we're at about 16 now. [01:27:27] Oh, great. [01:27:27] Well, yeah. [01:27:34] Somewhere around there. [01:27:35] So we still have, we still have positions to fill. [01:27:39] Most of the maintenance, I will say that we're, we're, we're very fortunate. [01:27:44] We have some key positions with, with personnel that we've been able to, [01:27:49] to stabilize and hold on to. [01:27:51] Gosh. [01:27:53] That goes a long way. [01:27:55] There are more entry level positions. [01:27:58] Yes, sir. [01:27:58] There are. [01:28:00] And but we're, I don't want to say entry level. [01:28:03] A lot of them are, are utility mechanics. [01:28:05] And utility mechanics are the backbone of utility. [01:28:09] And that's that, those types of positions are getting scarce. [01:28:15] So there is a shortage. [01:28:19] I made a couple of notes. [01:28:19] I failed to ask a couple items. [01:28:22] One might go all the way back to, I think it was under, [01:28:28] for some reason, I didn't want to think it was supervision. [01:28:32] Well, it, it was a comment he made that we didn't, I didn't really see. [01:28:38] But, somewhere online, if I remember correctly, you said something about, [01:28:43] helps pay for golf cart recertification or something about. [01:28:51] The, yes. [01:28:52] We have we have to renew our permits for US 19 are not indefinite. [01:29:00] They're only, they're only for a year. [01:29:02] And then you have to submit all the data that's conditional approval. [01:29:07] So you have to submit data that basically gives them the information, [01:29:14] allow, lets them know that number one, you have an edge. [01:29:17] You know, what, if you've had any crashes, what types of crashes have you had? [01:29:23] Did any of them involve golf carts? [01:29:26] What were the injuries? [01:29:28] If you had enforcement out, or you're supposed to have enforcement out there, [01:29:32] and they want the data on that, you know, what were the speeds? [01:29:36] What were the traffic counts that went, went by there? [01:29:40] All of those items that were conditionally presented to you to get a permit. [01:29:46] Now you have to supply all of that data over the whole year period, [01:29:51] to be able to renew your permit. [01:29:53] Has to be renewed annually? [01:29:54] Yes, sir. [01:29:54] So the point, the point was, I don't know that I saw a specific line item for [01:30:00] It was under professional services. [01:30:02] It was under professional services, under, was it under, is that under the supervision? [01:30:07] I think it was supervision. [01:30:09] Division, I think. [01:30:10] Yes, sir, wait, let me see. [01:30:14] Oh, no, I'm sorry. [01:30:16] No, that was Treats and Right-of-Way, you're right. [01:30:18] Treats and Right-of-Way, okay. [01:30:19] Correct. [01:30:20] 43199. [01:30:21] So, approximately, so, so what does that cost us, approximately? [01:30:32] Yeah, I haven't started, we had $20,000 off, no, no, that was something else, okay. [01:30:41] Treats and Right-of-Way maintenance, is that where it's coming out of, right? [01:30:45] You had, right, you had $5,000 budgeted, so a couple grand per, per intersection, you [01:30:51] have golf, you have golf drive, and you have Marine Parkway that's anticipated. [01:30:57] I, I, the only reason I ask that, made me think, is that, you know, obviously it's important [01:31:04] to our residents, and we've had a lot of people talk about that, and so forth, and it's like, [01:31:09] hey, there's a cost associated with this, this, people to be able to do this, it actually, [01:31:15] you know, it's just not one of those things like, hey, now you get permission to let it [01:31:18] go, right? [01:31:19] There's a cost, and I think it's well worthwhile, but I think it also serves, serves well to [01:31:27] remind our minor residents today that's, you know, we have to work out. [01:31:33] Part two of a question was on page 14, grounds maintenance, and I, and I might have either [01:31:44] misunderstood you, but you said grounds and parks maintenance, I don't know if that means [01:31:47] grounds and parking maintenance, or was that actually, is our, is our, are the ground maintenance [01:31:55] of our parks in this, in this area? [01:31:58] Correct, correct. [01:31:59] I was just trying to correlate, we call it grounds maintenance, but, but this division [01:32:03] basically is the parks maintenance guys. [01:32:07] Okay, so, that being said, I don't know that we had a significant increase here. [01:32:20] My point being is, I know that specifically Sims Park, it's been my observation, is that, [01:32:30] you know, it's a gem the city has, and it's to the point of almost over, some people might [01:32:38] say overutilized, and which in turns requires a lot of maintenance to keep it up to the [01:32:47] level I think our residents expect. [01:32:50] So, and I know that we've talked about other sources of trying to fund for those things [01:32:57] that need to be taken care of, specifically, I think what I'm thinking with this area is [01:33:06] just the sod, the grass areas, the grass areas, the shape and condition they're in and maintained [01:33:13] throughout the year, you know, irrigation system, it's hard to keep those, all the irrigations [01:33:18] in good repair, the dust helps the lawn, as well as peripheral stuff I'm not even thinking [01:33:25] about talking about whether it's cleaning the sidewalks of debris and keeping them, [01:33:31] you know, in a condition that we're, that we would hope to be able to maintain. [01:33:39] So, I don't know if that area budget, if it has included considerations for that or that's [01:33:46] something that we as a city council, if we do expect a level of our grounds to be a little [01:33:55] bit lower than maybe they have been the last couple of years, if we need more money there, [01:33:59] is the question I have. [01:34:01] I think that's a good point that you do bring up, and I think that Tuesday when we present [01:34:08] to you the CIP document, it's going to, when it comes to what you've said, there's some [01:34:16] improvements to Sims Park that I think is going to open up a discussion on where you [01:34:22] all would like to proceed as, like you say, as you're going down and you're looking at [01:34:26] the condition of sod and having to replace it, not because of it not being taken care [01:34:34] of or not because it hasn't been, you know, fertilized or anything like that, but because [01:34:39] of the amount of traffic that's utilized by that park. [01:34:44] I'll think about removing and replacing sod. [01:34:46] Correct, and that gets expensive, so an example would be when we have a CIP, when we have [01:34:52] our CIP presentation, we're going to come to you and we're going to say, hey, there's [01:34:57] parks now out there and they're nearby. Coachman Park is a fine example where they [01:35:03] have converted certain areas to the artificial turf now, and I know that Ms. Manns went to [01:35:10] a park in Ohio, I think, and saw it as well, so that's one of those things that, you know, [01:35:17] is up for discussion. It's like, you know, as we're moving forward, you know, maybe if [01:35:21] we're having chronic problems with the circle, maybe that's one of the areas that we look [01:35:28] at something like that, and that would take care of that problem, and then maybe we can [01:35:33] shift some of the money around to where we can take care of the other things. [01:35:38] The other thing I'll say to you, too, is I believe that, you know, we have a new parks [01:35:43] supervisor that has come on board. We are at almost full staff now, and so he's implementing [01:35:51] some type of programs to where they're a little bit more efficient, and so I think we might [01:36:00] see a lot of improvement at Sims Park, and as well as some of the other parks, by those [01:36:06] types of strategic moves, so I think it's a great discussion, and you're absolutely [01:36:12] right. That park gets utilized a lot, and there's a standard that's got to be called [01:36:18] out, and then we need to find out what it's going to take to maintain that standard. [01:36:23] Right, and I think the other factor, if you'll allow me, that we will be presenting to you [01:36:31] is if you decide that you don't want to consider using any alternate to SAD, then when we bring [01:36:41] you your fee structure to consider for the next fiscal year, you'll note that we have [01:36:48] instituted a good number of new fees for the use of Sims Park, and that is due to the fact [01:36:57] that we have event organizers that aren't paying enough money to use Sims Park, and [01:37:07] they're destroying our park, and we don't charge them appropriately. We charge them [01:37:13] to use the stage, we charge them to use Peace Hall, and that's about it, and we let them [01:37:24] use the park for re-reign. We might charge them for our city services, but in terms of [01:37:33] the park, we don't appropriately charge them for what they bring into the park, for the [01:37:40] wear and tear on the park, and that model has to change, because we really do sustain [01:37:48] damage, and that park was not designed to be a fairground. It is an urban park, and [01:37:57] we are allowing events to occur there that should be housed somewhere else other than [01:38:05] an urban park, and if you want to host those events there, that's fine, but the event organizer [01:38:13] has to be prepared to pay the cost associated with having an event there that's going to [01:38:21] cause damage to the park. You know, we have to clean up the sidewalks. When those food [01:38:28] trailers pull out, and that generator, we have to replace that side. It's gone. You've [01:38:34] got to think about those things, so we've changed the fee structure. [01:38:40] Yeah, there's a cost to that, and I think the public, our citizens, and our area citizens [01:38:51] utilize that and enjoy those events and so forth, but there's a cost to those. It has [01:38:55] to be paid by somebody, whether that's the event organizers or if it's going to be our [01:39:02] taxpayers to pay for that, and I know that, you know, you think about it. We've made, [01:39:10] in the past 10 years, some really significant improvements to our parks across the city, [01:39:16] not just Simms Park, but Riverwalk Park, and Francis Park, and all of these, so obviously, [01:39:23] the newer the facilities are, the easier they are to maintain, right? But as they get older, [01:39:29] there's a little bit more maintenance required to keep them up, whether it's losing some [01:39:33] of the decorative bricks, whether it's the staining the concrete, and, you know, repainting [01:39:39] the benches, re-roofing the shelters, whatever it all might be. It takes some expense, and [01:39:47] I think the parks, the facility we have is really nice for our residents, and I think [01:39:56] I've said it before, our city is park-rich, but only if we maintain it to a level that [01:40:02] we're used to and that we expect to see going forward, and I know that's going to be more [01:40:07] and more difficult as those parks age, so I just want to make sure that we plan appropriately, [01:40:13] and one of the things about different revenue sources, such as some of the utilization of [01:40:21] parks to be paid, I think in my eyes makes sense, but even beyond that, there's probably [01:40:29] some more plan maintenance just due to age that we'll have to work into our budgets from [01:40:34] year to year. That's all I have. [01:40:44] Maybe ready, I think she appears to be, if you'll allow her to jump in. [01:40:49] I'd like to thank Mr. Rivera and his department. It's a very good job, and it's difficult, [01:40:56] you know, I'm going through this, and I'm glad I didn't have to put this budget together. [01:41:00] He did a very nice job putting it together, and was spot on with all of the divisions, [01:41:08] and it actually is a pleasure to go through his budget, because it requires very little [01:41:15] amendment on my part, and Colin jumped in this year and was very helpful, and I think [01:41:22] got acclimated to the divisions very quickly through his participation in the budget, so [01:41:26] thank you very much, Robert, for your effort. [01:41:29] I appreciate that, but I will tell you, we take the input from a lot of our managers [01:41:35] and our section leaders and the field guys and stuff, and I think that's what helps [01:41:39] us, because we get that input, because you can't think of it all. [01:41:44] You have over half the employees, right? [01:41:47] You have over half the employees in the city, too. [01:41:52] Thank you. [01:41:54] Thank you, Colin. [01:41:59] That's money bags? [01:42:12] The accounting and budgeting finance department will start with the accounting and budgeting [01:42:16] division. [01:42:20] Staffing changes this past year, the absence of those employees didn't reflect too heavily [01:42:26] in our plans. [01:42:28] We will replace those divisions with new employees or promotions. [01:42:35] So, going back to the special services, we increased that line to accompany the cost [01:42:46] for the annual actuarial valuations, and the general fund study, we currently, we had that [01:42:58] budgeted for the current year, but decided to postpone so that we can perform the water [01:43:05] and sewer revenue study at the same time as the general fund study. [01:43:13] Which number was that? [01:43:14] I'm sorry. [01:43:15] Special services, 431.99. [01:43:18] Okay. [01:43:20] And also included some costs associated with consulting services. [01:43:28] Just with various projects that we have within the department. [01:43:36] Updates to policies and procedures in large part. [01:43:45] Going down to software licenses and support. [01:43:51] You'll notice a significant... [01:43:52] Give us numbers, please. [01:43:53] Help us out. [01:43:54] It's 452.25. [01:43:58] A significant increase within this line item. [01:44:01] This is accompanying the cost of an annual subscription for a budgeting software that [01:44:11] will allow us to more efficiently prepare the annual budget. [01:44:16] It will also bring us into ADA compliance with our website to facilitate those types [01:44:25] of things. [01:44:27] Also help prepare the budget book at year end. [01:44:30] Also a very manual process. [01:44:33] Will this be a consistent fee, or is this a one-time starter fee and it will lower down [01:44:38] the... [01:44:39] It's a one-time starter fee that's reflected down below. [01:44:51] But also within that line item is a lease software. [01:44:55] The leasing software helps us prepare... [01:45:00] The 87 and GASB 96 with which 87 was just implemented for fiscal year 22 audit [01:45:07] requirement for the way we present capital leases in the audit and in the [01:45:13] ACFR and also GASB 96 goes into effect we have to have fully implemented for [01:45:19] fiscal year 23 and that is how we present leases associated with software. [01:45:29] Thank you Crystal. You went through, you mentioned that this would bring us up in [01:45:35] enhance our website and bring, did you say ADA? ADA compliance, yes. You're talking about [01:45:44] American Disability Act? Correct. Our website gets up to ADA? The [01:45:51] presentation of various, so the budget would be ADA compliant so that those [01:45:59] individuals that need assistance with reading the document they'd have that [01:46:03] availability to them. So what kind of document they would create, you know, in [01:46:12] order to be able to print it out by Braille? Very common for local municipalities and [01:46:23] counties to start presenting this. There ought to be an app for that. Okay, no, I just, [01:46:33] you know, it's a pretty pricey deal there. I just was, and I just, I didn't mean to [01:46:39] anything, but I'm just, I'm surprised. It shows maybe my uneducated, being on-site [01:46:49] impaired people. It's how that'd be needed, so I understand. Thank you. [01:46:57] Presentation, you'll really like the presentation once it's, the budget's actually on. It's very interactive. It also offers [01:47:08] variables and the residents will, yeah, it's transparency for the residents. [01:47:24] That's your financial mind, I'll be at the rec center. [01:47:29] The other increase, $452.43 in computer supplies, that reflects two new computers within the department, and costs associated with a conference room [01:47:49] PC replacement. It's outdated. [01:48:00] Questions for this division? [01:48:11] There was a decrease within this division. We'll talk more about that as we move lower down the, down through operating. For personnel services, we did [01:48:23] remove a part-time position. That position assisted with phone calls and processing, processing mail-in payments and that sort of, [01:48:38] have a whole lot of interaction with the public. They sat off to the side processing mostly mail payments and dealing with customs. [01:48:54] See, credit card charges for 4931. There, we have no credit card charges moving into the new fiscal year, fiscal year 24. We budgeted $27,000 for this year and that [01:49:12] covered the cost of the credit card fees that were charged from our credit card provider for accepting credit card payments. So the $28,500 for October through December. [01:49:27] In December, we implemented InvoiceCloud, the service, the online service that provides more payment options to our residents. Online, you can pay over-the-counter. [01:49:40] Paying online does incur a credit card processing fee, but the customer pays that fee now rather than the city. They have other options. They can avoid the fee. [01:49:58] Just a curiosity, if I came in here with my credit card and paid my credit card at the counter, would it still be a credit card fee? [01:50:04] It sure is. Every permit I get. [01:50:08] But you can't, there's other options. [01:50:13] Yeah, I know, I just, I was thinking the other day when I logged in, I said, it's still going to be a credit card. [01:50:19] I'll pass back to the customer rather than the city. [01:50:24] That's happened across the years. [01:50:27] Yeah, but still, I mean, there's a cost for us to process a check, our manual cost to figure out the deposit, put it through, so forth. We've got to count the money, we've got to take care of the money, we've got to get the money to the bank. So, I don't know. Too bad you can't get fees done a little bit less than that. [01:50:45] The fees are a result of the rewards that you get with your card. [01:50:52] Not the results, it's an add to it, right? [01:50:54] Yeah, no, the commercial business has been paying the credit card fees for your benefits for years. [01:51:01] So, you know, another thing we ought to look at, if you want to carry on that, is that if someone has an automatic draft out of their bank account, they ought to get a discount of a percent or two. [01:51:20] I like the idea of discounts, but in there we have no cost associated with that. [01:51:24] I'm not sure we can do that on water. [01:51:28] I know. [01:51:29] Okay. [01:51:30] Sorry, discussion for a different time. [01:51:34] Okay. [01:51:35] Apologize. [01:51:37] We'll move back up. [01:51:38] I just wanted to highlight the credit card charges. [01:51:43] So, reducing staff was necessary. [01:51:46] We no longer need that part-time position. [01:51:52] All a result of InvoiceCloud. [01:51:57] Contractual services. [01:51:59] That line item from $500 to $1,500. [01:52:03] We utilize different services for Tyler, for our, have a new software pushing through Tyler next fiscal year, Tyler Payments. [01:52:23] That, the software's requiring us to take, it's a different type of payment portal for over-the-counter transactions. [01:52:32] So, we did increase that line. [01:52:34] We also accompany those charges. [01:52:36] Any set-up charges. [01:52:43] 444.81, the lease copier. [01:52:45] We have a new copier within the department, which also results in a decrease. [01:52:55] 446.21, the maintenance of the equipment. [01:53:09] 5211 from $7,000 to $6,000. [01:53:40] Yes, you did a nice job. [01:53:43] Neat job. [01:53:49] All right. [01:53:50] Sorry, I'm looking hard, but I don't have any questions. [01:53:52] Okay. [01:53:53] Well, Bernie has also done a nice job. [01:53:58] So, with your permission, I'll ask her to join us at the table to present the human resources budget. [01:54:06] Thank you, Crystal. [01:54:07] Thank you. [01:54:08] Thank you. [01:54:09] Crystal. [01:54:20] I'm sorry, I wasn't ready. [01:54:21] I thought we were taking a break. [01:54:23] Don't you talk. [01:54:25] I'm ready. [01:54:26] I'm ready, sister. [01:54:28] Good evening. [01:54:36] So, tonight I'll be presenting the human resources budget. [01:54:41] There are no personnel changes made for the division. [01:54:45] The first line item that I would like to start with is 42311, which is health insurance. [01:54:56] The city experienced a medical loss ratio of 163% this past year. [01:55:03] It's actually been our highest in a decade. [01:55:07] The city manager and I did conclude our conversations today with our insurance broker, [01:55:13] and we're hopeful that we're going to be able to deliver a renewal at 10.8% of the premium. [01:55:25] Next. [01:55:27] 10% increase. [01:55:28] 10.8. [01:55:31] Good job. [01:55:35] Good job you get that negotiated. [01:55:37] From 28.6. [01:55:39] Yeah, it started out at, yeah, 28.6, so Debbie beat them up pretty good this year. [01:55:46] Called Bernie back to me. [01:55:50] The next line item I'd like to discuss is 43199, professional services. [01:55:59] We're asking for a slight increase from 58,000 to 60,000, [01:56:04] and the reason for this request is to accommodate the next phase of the pay and compensation study, [01:56:11] which will be for the fire department staff, the union employees. [01:56:20] This account also houses money for pre-employment background screenings and drug tests. [01:56:27] The city manager and I are in the final phase of the current pay [01:56:31] and classification study for the general employees, [01:56:34] and we'll be presenting those results to you in an upcoming council meeting. [01:56:41] Next line item is 43413, which is employee support programs, [01:56:49] and this line item, there's no changes to it, [01:56:52] but this line item just reflects the employee holiday party, years of service program materials, [01:56:59] and customer service gift card awards. [01:57:08] Travel and training, 44011 for travel and training has been just a slight increase from $1,500 to $3,000, [01:57:20] and this just reflects the addition of the human resource director. [01:57:27] Next is 44966. [01:57:31] Again, there's not an increase to this, but it is a big ticket item. [01:57:37] This is for employee incentives, [01:57:41] and this line item reflects the employee holiday gift cards that are given out in mid-December. [01:57:53] Next, I'd like to discuss account 44511, which is liability insurance, [01:58:02] 44521, building and contents, 44522, pollution insurance, [01:58:13] and 44523, which is automotive and truck insurances. [01:58:22] All of the members in the public risk management pool are seeing significant rate increases all across Florida. [01:58:31] We have received some estimates from world risk management that these line items, [01:58:36] the coverage won't exceed 32%. [01:58:40] I did talk to them this afternoon, and they're hoping to get us some actual numbers within the next couple of weeks, [01:58:46] and they're hoping that the overall increase will be closer to 28%. [01:58:52] I'm sorry. [01:58:54] No, continue. You're doing great, Barbara. [01:58:58] We just wanted to budget a little bit higher just in case that number didn't come back at the 28%. [01:59:05] Which seems to be, and Councilman Peters can probably speak to it better than I can, [01:59:11] an industry standard in general in the state of Florida this year, [01:59:17] but a very, very difficult figure for us to swallow in general. [01:59:24] I can tell you it's certainly too late in the year for us to shop that figure based on the number of assets that we hold, [01:59:38] but we certainly will be shopping next year to some alternate carriers for our various insurance coverages that we hold under PRM [01:59:52] to see if we can get a more favorable deal. [02:00:00] amount of premiums for those coverages. [02:00:06] You're absolutely correct. I think you're probably experiencing the same thing [02:00:09] that each officer is experiencing in their own household budgets as far as [02:00:13] insurance increases. The automobile increases is not unique to Florida. That [02:00:17] is a nationwide phenomenon for several different factors. And of course, [02:00:25] you know, property insurance is difficult as well. We all know that here [02:00:30] in Florida with the hurricanes. But it's, you know, you might know this past [02:00:35] year has been, in the industry, has been the year with the most catastrophe [02:00:41] losses of any year in its history, which you scratch your head about it [02:00:46] because can you name one big catastrophe this past year? And we didn't have a [02:00:51] hurricane, Andrew. We never, you know, you know, California wildfires. But they [02:00:55] had just tons and tons of different, particularly, tornadoes that hit [02:01:00] different parts of the country. And so you might be wrong, but it might prove [02:01:08] beneficial to shop them in the coming years. There's some changes within [02:01:13] industry that might allow some better pricing. We'll see. Certainly worth our [02:01:18] effort, I think, at these numbers. Next would be 45243 computer supplies. This [02:01:29] has been increased from $1,500 to $5,340 as the computers and human [02:01:37] resources are due for upgrades and replacements. And also to support the IT [02:01:42] needs that will include some new functionality, efficiency, and workflow [02:01:48] capabilities and capacities. [02:01:57] So just for a minute, I would like to just some professional growth. I'm happy [02:02:05] to announce that I took and passed my SHRM certified professional exam through [02:02:11] the Society of Human Resources. I was a bear. This credential demonstrates, [02:02:19] thanks, this credential demonstrates HR competencies and knowledge necessary to [02:02:25] be an effective and strategic human resources professional. I'm currently [02:02:29] working on 60 hours of continuing education, so I can actually set for the [02:02:35] next exam, which is the senior certified professional exam. And I'm also enrolled [02:02:41] in classes in January to begin work on my degree. [02:02:47] Congratulations. [02:02:49] Got that going for me. [02:02:51] When's the block party to celebrate? [02:02:53] I still can't believe that I passed the CP, so yeah, I still need to celebrate that one. That was a biggie. [02:03:00] But that concludes my presentation, and I'd be happy to answer any questions. [02:03:08] I have a question, Bernie. Maybe you can help me, or maybe Ms. Manns, you want to, you know, this is [02:03:15] reminded me of something I'd been inquiring about, or wanted to inquire [02:03:20] about previously, but I noticed we have here, we've got a couple of employee [02:03:25] support programs, which is great, travel and training. I'm thinking is that is for [02:03:30] department employees, right, department staff and within the human resources [02:03:35] department, as well as some training supplies. You know, I'm just curious if [02:03:42] we have in a budget, and maybe it's hidden somewhere else, I don't know about [02:03:48] it, but if we have some general training and our budget that we would be able to [02:03:58] utilize to assist in professional development and training of our, [02:04:03] particularly, I think of our department head staff. You know, we, you know, our [02:04:08] department staffs, I know, you know, they work in training their employees to come [02:04:14] up and, you know, more competencies and skills within the job ranks, but you [02:04:20] know, I also sometimes question, want to make sure that those folks have, you know, [02:04:26] professional development, and that is encouraged and sponsored by that. And [02:04:30] there might be, that may be where it is, you know, you have travel and training [02:04:34] budget here in your area, there's $3,000, and that might be for the [02:04:40] management team and human resources, and there's probably that in each of the [02:04:43] budgets, but I'm also thinking there might be some room overall for, Ms. Manns, I [02:04:51] think maybe we've had a brief conversation about that before, about [02:04:55] development of competencies of our department heads. Overall, big picture. [02:05:03] Right. That's city-sponsored. Yes, sir. Do you want to go ahead and respond, Bernie? [02:05:06] Sure, sure. If you would look up in 41531 education, education [02:05:15] reimbursement for $7,000, and that's used for anyone that that would like to use [02:05:25] it, general employee or general employees, and that's so they can, you [02:05:31] know, take any sort of college courses that they may have, or they want to sort [02:05:36] of further along in their career. I've also, we have a company called HR Edge, [02:05:43] which does some training and things as well. We had the Prohibition of [02:05:53] Harassment training, we did that one just a couple of months ago, and then [02:05:57] there's also a list of different classes and things like that, that we can also [02:06:02] provide for our employees as well. We regularly do train employees and have [02:06:09] active training programs, not only in the departments, but for the department heads, [02:06:15] and we do program money in the departments as well as in HR, specifically, [02:06:23] and I programmed extra money this year in employee support programs for the [02:06:34] purpose of encouraging some additional training, in part due to the [02:06:42] fact that we have fallen behind in some training that needs to happen citywide, [02:06:50] also because I have a good number of new department heads and I still need to [02:06:55] build synergy as a team of department heads, so that we can be as effective as [02:07:03] possible as a group, and to make sure that I know what all of their individual [02:07:12] strengths and weaknesses are, so that I make sure to engage them as fully as [02:07:17] possible as performers. You mentioned department heads. We send department heads to conferences, too, don't we, and they get some... [02:07:25] I do send them to conferences. Yeah, I'm just wanting to bring that up, because I know they go, I just wanted to say it out loud. [02:07:30] I think you've got, I think you've got Andy in one right now, right? I have Andy in Hawaii right now, for her personal vacation, that she earned very much. [02:07:41] She's doing her conference in Hawaii. And thank you, I appreciate that response, and I just want to make sure that, you know, looking at budget-wise, that, you know, providing a budget allowed to accomplish those things, so thank you. [02:07:59] I know that Judy planned for some food, and I don't know if it's in the, oh, it's upstairs? Okay, and so, at your pleasure, you could either take a break, run upstairs, grab a plate, come back, or take a break, or [02:08:28] wait till the end, or what would you like to do, Mr. Mayor and members of the Council? Well, we got three more departments to do tonight. You have one more, and he's pretty, he's a pretty quick talker. What's your pleasure? Take a two-minute break. I mean, I think that's a good motion, and I'm hearing a little bit of support over here. [02:08:58] Two minutes, sounds good. Okay, everybody take a run. [02:09:02] I'm presenting a budget before you guys, and I hope you'll be easy on me, because the City Manager knows I'm fragile. I'm very fragile. So, I'd like to start off by just giving the Council kind of an overview, kind of go high, and then we'll get into the weeds. So, the Police Department has a very large budget in the general fund, as you know. We comprise six divisions. [02:09:31] We are responsible for a lot, so really a budget is just really a financial plan to support your mission, and our mission is pretty vast. So, as a quick overview, if you compare our budget, the total budget from 23 to 24, we went from 8.9 in 2003 to 9.5 in 2004, and it is about a $600,000 increase, but a lot of that's strategic. [02:09:57] Some of it we couldn't avoid. So, we will definitely get into this budget, but some of this increase is some really important capital items that are a big investment into the Police Department, and the Fire Department's also in it. [02:10:11] So, one of them is in 61, and it's our CAD RMS project. We are looking at a CAD RMS integration project with the County for police and fire. New Port Richey's already on it. Dade City's already on it. Zephyr Hills is in the process of going on it. We have the Sheriff. [02:10:28] This is a major investment in technology. It's a big benefit for our officers and everybody, and it's going to give us the technology that we really need to do our jobs. A part of that also is the Fire Department, because they were kind of married to us, so they're also in this project, and it's all coming out of the police budget because we love our firefighters so much. [02:10:49] Also, we have $25,000 for upgrades in all of our security cameras for the building. We have $20,000 for a drone, and a drone is really important technology, not only for EOC and recovery, but for police work. [02:11:04] And I know Robert Rivera's division also put in for one for EOC, but drones give us the ability to locate missing and endangered adults, missing children, go on canine tracks. I mean, they're essential for what we do, so we really need to invest in this technology. [02:11:18] So, again, some of the really exciting things that we're really excited about, and I worked with the city manager on, I mean, we are pursuing accreditation. There are costs for that in here. That is a big investment in our department. I just talked about the CAD RMS system. [02:11:33] Yeah, well, I was going to hit in 61, but so, well, CAD stands for Computer Aided Dispatch. A lot of times, you'll see the MBT units. That's when officers can be dispatched. You have all the calls that go through there, data tracking incidents. [02:11:52] We have 30,000 CAD incidents a year, and RMS is Record Management System, and that's all of our report writing. And everybody will be in this together, so we're not blind to what other agencies are doing, and they're not blind to what we're doing. It's actually an officer safety issue, but it's also great data tracking analysis that will help us better kind of allocate our services. [02:12:11] So, I'll get into more of that when we talk on 61. We're also doing a lot of facility upgrades for accreditation. A simple thing like our evidence counters are Formica, unacceptable because they need to be stainless steel because they'll be, you know, packaging drugs, and Formica can be porous. You can't see if you were to spill drugs on there like you could on a stainless steel counter. Plus, stainless steel counters clean up a lot easier, so these standards are in place for a reason. [02:12:37] We also instituted a lift team that you know about. It's been very successful. Again, we put in for a drone, and we have new car designs, and we put in for some patrol equipment upgrades. These are all strategic investments into the police department. [02:12:51] So, if you follow me, I'll start off in 61, and 61 is police supervision, and that's really myself, the deputy chief, and our admin assistant. A lot of the capital upgrades that we did are put into this division, so I'll just start off with the personnel services portion of the budget. [02:13:13] So, some of the things like I highlight here, you'll see like health insurance, there's actually no funding for that because myself, the deputy chief, and the admin assistant all have other plans, so there's no city funding for that. There's really not much exciting in total personnel services. Basically, we're looking at about an $11,670 decrease, about 3.45%, so that kind of stayed flat as we went from fiscal 23 to 24. [02:13:41] Talking about our operational budget, some of the things I have highlighted here, you'll see increases in professional services from $25,500 to $78,000, and a lot of that is an accreditation consultant. We have our RPO funding in that. We have command staff leadership training budgeted for that. [02:14:02] Also, all of our promotional exams need to go to a professional PhD professor that does these things in the Tampa Bay area, and he's excellent at proctoring these types of exams, so a lot of those increases are for those things. [02:14:15] If we look at contractual services, we went from $6,000 to $20,000, and basically we're looking at something called basically a scanning project, scanning software for accreditation. We really need to have centralized databases in the police department where we're scanning our data in and not keeping files spread out all over the PD. [02:14:45] Contractual service $43,499? Because I got $10 written here, not $20. [02:14:51] Yes, I'm sorry. I'll give you the object code. Yes, $43,499. [02:14:55] No, but you said $20. It went from $6,000 to $20,000, and I think I got $10. [02:15:00] 6,000 to 20,000, so we're comparing 23 to 24. [02:15:03] Oh, it's not 10. [02:15:06] Yeah, it's 10. [02:15:06] That's why I'm asking. [02:15:07] OK, you're right. [02:15:08] My bad. [02:15:08] Oh, OK. [02:15:09] You're my bad. [02:15:09] OK. [02:15:11] Travel and training, we had a slight increase for that. [02:15:14] And a lot of that is for the Florida Police Chiefs Conferences [02:15:17] that we need to be going to. [02:15:19] Also, our admin assistant needs core training. [02:15:22] She's already been through half that. [02:15:23] That's essential training that she needs. [02:15:27] Some of the areas, other areas, 44611, [02:15:29] which is maintenance, building, and ground, [02:15:32] went from 6,000 to 28,250. [02:15:35] And these are a lot of the accreditation facility upgrades [02:15:39] that we have to do. [02:15:40] Our booking glass needs to be replaced. [02:15:42] We need panic buttons in our booking areas. [02:15:45] Our officers need first aid kits. [02:15:47] I talked about replacing our evidence count [02:15:49] as going to stainless steel. [02:15:51] We need what's called personal protective equipment [02:15:53] for all of our officers. [02:15:54] They're all standards that help them from biohazards [02:15:57] or anything that they may be dealing with in the field. [02:16:00] We need to add fencing to our sally port area [02:16:02] and outside bike storage area. [02:16:04] So there's a lot of upgrades that [02:16:05] go along with accreditation. [02:16:07] And those standards exist for a reason. [02:16:10] Software licenses and supports, another one, it's 45225. [02:16:15] Went from 54,000 to 63,000. [02:16:19] And a lot of that is we have some programs [02:16:23] that we need to bring on board, again, to be more centralized [02:16:25] in how we do internal investigations, [02:16:27] how we do traffic crashes, how we look at our use of forces. [02:16:32] And these programs basically centralize all this data [02:16:35] so that we can accurately track what our officers are doing. [02:16:38] These programs also give you reports, [02:16:40] whatever you want to know, with all of our use of force [02:16:42] or anything like that. [02:16:43] It's an accreditation standard. [02:16:45] And it's an excellent standard to basically have in place. [02:16:48] We also have some software in there for our CAD RMS system. [02:16:52] And that's the old system because we're still [02:16:54] going to need some licenses when we do the initial conversion [02:16:57] so we can still access that system. [02:17:01] And then we have LexisNexis 15,000. [02:17:04] That's basically a crime mapping system. [02:17:06] It's an information system that our dispatch and detectives use. [02:17:10] It's essential to what they do. [02:17:13] Computer supplies went up a little bit. [02:17:15] And basically, we will need a new laptop [02:17:17] for our administrative assistant and accreditation [02:17:20] consultant. [02:17:22] Operating supplies went up a little bit. [02:17:25] Most of that we need for accreditation standards. [02:17:28] Our police IDs are not in compliance [02:17:30] because they can easily be fabricated. [02:17:32] So we need to go to another vendor that basically [02:17:36] kind of embosses them, almost like you [02:17:37] see on your driver's license. [02:17:38] So they're very hard to fabricate or basically create [02:17:42] one or alter one. [02:17:43] So basically, if you look at our operational budget, [02:17:49] we went from $280,000 to $369,000, [02:17:52] which is about an $88,000, $610,000 increase, about 31%. [02:17:57] And a lot of those are for the investments [02:17:59] that we talked about. [02:18:00] A lot of it has to do with accreditation and some [02:18:02] of these other improvements that we're doing. [02:18:06] If you look at our capital budget, some of that stuff [02:18:08] is laid out there. [02:18:11] Are you guys on that page? [02:18:14] And then after I get done with this, [02:18:15] I'll just open up to any questions [02:18:17] you have on this division. [02:18:19] So in our capital budget, you'll see our RMS and CAD project. [02:18:23] So our RMS portion of it is $59,360. [02:18:28] And our CAD integration project is $318,060. [02:18:32] And again, there's a fire department component [02:18:34] in that with us. [02:18:36] So the total is $377,420. [02:18:39] We also have, in special purpose equipment, $24,450 [02:18:45] for building security camera replacement. [02:18:48] And we have the drone in there for $14,000. [02:18:50] And this drone is absolutely Florida and federal compliant. [02:18:55] And then there's computer and software for the drone [02:18:58] that is also required. [02:19:00] So if you basically look at 61, we [02:19:04] had a total increase of about $475,000. [02:19:07] A lot of those were just explained. [02:19:09] The big bulk of that is our CAD RMS project. [02:19:12] And with that, I'll open up to any questions [02:19:14] that you have on this division. [02:19:16] First of all, I just want to know, [02:19:18] you're putting that money out this year. [02:19:21] Is the program easy to bring in and get it up and running? [02:19:26] Well, there's a whole implementation process [02:19:28] with that. [02:19:28] That's where I'm asking you. [02:19:30] If you guys approve this, then we [02:19:31] have to get into that implementation process [02:19:33] with the fire department, with the county, [02:19:35] and with all our basically stakeholders. [02:19:37] So yes, there will be a process. [02:19:39] And it will be months and months out [02:19:41] before it's fully implemented. [02:19:43] It will probably be implemented in phases. [02:19:45] But we'll know a lot more about that once we get into it. [02:19:49] But we have our IT department, county. [02:19:52] We have a lot of professionals that [02:19:53] will be working on this to make it go right. [02:19:56] But that's a great question. [02:19:57] Thank you. [02:19:59] I just figured you'd go up there and throw it on the desk [02:20:02] and turn it on, and there you go. [02:20:04] Right, right. [02:20:06] Is this to come up in line with what the county already has? [02:20:10] Well, the county, they're going to the Sheriff's Department, [02:20:13] and everybody else, to include all the cities I mentioned, [02:20:15] are going to a new RMS system. [02:20:17] The CAD system's the same. [02:20:19] So the RMS system's going to be upgraded. [02:20:21] And the Sheriff's Department will be making that leap [02:20:23] probably in January or February of 24. [02:20:26] So we'll probably be making that leap thereafter. [02:20:29] Again, depending on how the CAD goes, [02:20:31] this stuff has to be implemented in phases. [02:20:33] And all the experts have to come together. [02:20:35] And basically, make it work step by step. [02:20:38] Well, it might be a move us to roll out with them [02:20:44] or follow them? [02:20:46] You sound like you said we're going to follow them. [02:20:49] Because they have to implement first, [02:20:50] because we're all sharing data. [02:20:52] And once they do, all the other cities and us go. [02:20:54] The CAD system, we probably are going to do first, [02:20:57] because it's already online. [02:20:58] Because Dade City's on it, New Port Richey's on it, [02:21:01] and Zephyr Hill's already in the process of implementing to it. [02:21:04] So I expect that the CAD portion of it will go first. [02:21:07] And then the RMS portion of it will follow. [02:21:10] I just asked because I just wanted you to sort of follow. [02:21:13] And I just thought, wouldn't it work better [02:21:14] if we kind of went together? [02:21:16] But maybe not. [02:21:16] I don't think it can go together based [02:21:18] on RMS kind of being put out with the bend [02:21:21] until January, February, because they're [02:21:23] going to a new platform. [02:21:26] Chief, can you give us an example of a significant [02:21:31] investment here? [02:21:32] Can you give us a couple examples [02:21:34] of how this actually will benefit the department [02:21:38] and perhaps cost savings going forward? [02:21:43] And we're on CAD RMS, correct? [02:21:45] Yeah, so there's never a finish line to becoming better. [02:21:48] Right now, we're an island onto our own. [02:21:52] We don't see what Pasco's doing. [02:21:53] We don't see what New Port Richey's doing. [02:21:54] We're not even on the same radio channels. [02:21:56] We can't share data. [02:21:57] So in other words, we could have a New Port Richey police officer [02:22:00] on a burglary call right outside of our city border, [02:22:03] and we wouldn't even know about it. [02:22:05] Or they could go out with someone on a midnight shift [02:22:07] and do what's called a field interrogation report [02:22:10] and say someone's snooping around a building, [02:22:12] but they don't arrest them. [02:22:13] We wouldn't even know about it. [02:22:15] Once we get on the same system, we'll know all that stuff. [02:22:17] We'll know what they're doing. [02:22:18] We'll see what they're doing. [02:22:19] They'll see what we're doing. [02:22:20] So we're sharing data. [02:22:22] The other thing is it's a significant upgrade [02:22:24] from the technology that we currently have. [02:22:26] So we'll be able to do data crime mapping, [02:22:29] data-driven policing, running all kinds of reports. [02:22:32] Pasco County has analysts. [02:22:33] Their whole analyst division [02:22:35] that will basically be extrapolating data for us. [02:22:37] So we'll be sharing so many resources. [02:22:39] So it'll be so many efficiencies for the officers. [02:22:42] They'll have so much more technology at their fingertips, [02:22:44] just on the CAD side with their MDTs and their cars. [02:22:46] So this is a significant investment in technology upgrades [02:22:50] to make their job more efficient and safer [02:22:53] and to work with everyone all around us. [02:22:55] It's very important. [02:22:57] This model in Pinellas County right now, [02:22:59] they're going to a whole county global CAD system [02:23:02] for fire and police. [02:23:03] And eventually in the future, [02:23:05] I see everybody going regional. [02:23:07] But right now, we're just kind of staying for this. [02:23:08] So this upgrade, as your chief, [02:23:11] I'm telling you, is absolutely necessary for us. [02:23:13] We are behind. [02:23:19] Second question, and I know we've made this commitment, [02:23:23] but maybe now would be a perfect time, [02:23:26] because I see there's various account lines [02:23:30] that have been increased to achieve accreditation [02:23:35] that we're seeking. [02:23:37] So what is the timetable for that? [02:23:43] Are we going to get CAD done in a year? [02:23:45] I mean, what is your goal? [02:23:48] And so, for example, the consultant here, [02:23:52] I don't know how much that is, 70,000, is an FB. [02:23:55] Is that contracted for what period of time? [02:23:57] Are we going to see some additional cost in that next year? [02:24:01] Are we going to be, when are we going to be done? [02:24:03] When are we going to get, when is that finish line? [02:24:06] That's a great question. [02:24:06] So I ran a successfully accredited police agency [02:24:10] for a decade in Tarpon. [02:24:12] Took us about a year and a half to get there. [02:24:15] From what I'm seeing in our agency, [02:24:17] about the same timeline, maybe a little less, [02:24:19] because we've already been doing stuff. [02:24:21] So the consultant is for one year. [02:24:23] There may be some additional costs with that, [02:24:25] just depends on how, once he gets in here [02:24:27] and works with all of us. [02:24:29] I don't want to say fast, because it's got to be done right. [02:24:31] It's all quality here, you've got to follow standards. [02:24:33] So I would say, confidently, a year and a half, maybe less. [02:24:39] But we won't really know that until we hit the ground [02:24:41] running, until the consultant comes on board [02:24:43] and we really move forward. [02:24:44] We have been doing some of this stuff already, [02:24:48] some of the essential things that we need to be doing. [02:24:50] But you don't do accreditation because it's easy, [02:24:52] you do it because it's hard. [02:24:53] And there's 260 standards, and they hold you, [02:24:55] they hold your feet to the fire. [02:24:57] And all those standards are best practices in the industry. [02:25:01] So it's going to be a great benefit for us. [02:25:06] I just kind of want to understand that. [02:25:08] And what's, besides the consultant, [02:25:13] I'm guessing some of these other expenses would, [02:25:16] once we've got some of the upgrades we need, [02:25:18] the facilities and so forth, [02:25:20] then those budget items might be able to step down [02:25:25] a little bit because now we've upgraded. [02:25:27] Stainless steel counters, I know, [02:25:29] eventually have to be replaced, [02:25:30] but it should last a long time. [02:25:32] For example. [02:25:34] So, I hope I'm going to answer your question right. [02:25:37] So, most of the bulk of the expenses will be done [02:25:40] in the first year, because those are the serious things [02:25:42] that you need to do. [02:25:43] Like booking, you've got to have panic bookings. [02:25:45] We don't have them, that's a standard. [02:25:47] Obviously there's a reason for them. [02:25:51] All these different things that we have to do, [02:25:52] the significant investments will be done in year one. [02:25:55] So we can get those big standards out of the way [02:25:58] and get those best practices into place. [02:25:59] And then you're going to see those costs start to diminish, [02:26:03] basically, as we get into year two, if you will. [02:26:06] Did that answer your question? [02:26:09] I have another thing about this RMS and CAD. [02:26:12] It's almost like you guys got, [02:26:14] you got your team out there in the field by themselves, [02:26:16] but you've got a whole team behind them, right? [02:26:19] With these programs that they didn't have, [02:26:21] or don't have now. [02:26:23] Great point. [02:26:24] It's like, you know, I mean, it's a higher tech [02:26:26] than even the officers or you or I could think of. [02:26:30] That's going to be right there at their fingertips. [02:26:32] And I can only tell you, based on my experience, [02:26:34] when Sheriff Quilteria and I did the first integration [02:26:38] in Pinellas County with a police department, [02:26:40] we kept our dispatchers, a secondary PSAP, [02:26:42] and a PSAP is a public safety answering point. [02:26:44] It's one of the best things I did. [02:26:46] It was amazing how we worked together [02:26:48] and the technology that got brought [02:26:50] to my police department. [02:26:51] And it was just such a win for not only the police officers, [02:26:54] but the community. [02:26:56] Mayor Davis, this is something we have talked about [02:26:58] for a number of years. [02:27:00] It's just that the model hadn't been perfected yet. [02:27:04] So we weren't ready to jump on. [02:27:07] It's to a point now that we're better prepared to do that [02:27:11] because we knew that there was sort of a service [02:27:14] and efficiency in our current system, [02:27:16] in large part because our residents were going [02:27:20] through a double dispatch when they called in for service. [02:27:25] They had to tell, if they were on a cell phone, [02:27:28] their story more than once. [02:27:30] So there was a delay in them receiving service. [02:27:33] So that's a big part of this, too. [02:27:36] We want to eliminate that delay. [02:27:39] And get them the help they need sooner. [02:27:45] And then there's benefit for us, too, [02:27:49] because we won't have to staff as fully [02:27:53] as we do now our center. [02:27:56] We won't lose a criminal because he crossed over lines, [02:28:01] either. [02:28:02] Right. [02:28:03] We'll follow him as he crosses lines. [02:28:04] And to the city manager's point, [02:28:06] the good thing about that is they're just integrating [02:28:09] into a new RMS system, which wouldn't have been in play [02:28:12] when you guys were looking at it. [02:28:14] So this is the right time, exactly right, [02:28:17] to jump into this. [02:28:18] So, and the 911 thing is big. [02:28:21] You know, having a four or five minute delay [02:28:22] before it gets to us is unacceptable to me. [02:28:24] Right. [02:28:25] And that's all gonna go away. [02:28:26] And it's good to know that we have the support [02:28:30] of other agencies when we're on a call [02:28:33] and it's an unthinkable type of call. [02:28:36] They can see what we're doing and they just respond, right? [02:28:39] They're a block away and they didn't even know it. [02:28:40] Right, absolutely. [02:28:41] And the same thing, and Chief Fitch is here, [02:28:42] same thing with the fire department. [02:28:43] They're getting all kinds of upgraded technology [02:28:45] with this integration project. [02:28:47] So it's just a win-win for everybody. [02:28:53] Carry on. [02:28:55] Can we move forward to 62? [02:28:57] Okay. [02:28:59] So division 62, so that is basically [02:29:02] our police support services division. [02:29:06] And if we kind of take a look at this budget, [02:29:09] some highlights of this budget as I go through [02:29:11] our personnel services section of it, [02:29:13] a couple things I have highlighted is [02:29:16] there was a slight increase into the Florida [02:29:18] retirement system and that's 42-11. [02:29:21] And health insurance, there was an increase [02:29:23] and that's 42-311 and we really have no control over that. [02:29:28] So basically, if you look at our personnel services [02:29:31] section of the budget, we went from 995,980 in 23 [02:29:35] to 105,7750 in 24, it's about a 6% increase. [02:29:39] But again, a lot of that right there [02:29:41] is the health insurance increase that we really [02:29:44] have no control over. [02:29:45] And 10.8, but it doesn't reflect any position changes, [02:29:51] just the fact that the retirement contribution is higher. [02:30:00] And so it's health insurance, largely. [02:30:04] And moving on to operating, [02:30:05] really the only thing that I have highlighted there [02:30:08] that may be of interest to you is 45241, [02:30:11] that's licensing and ID materials. [02:30:14] And we basically went from 1750 to 18,000. [02:30:21] And that basically is a $16,250 increase. [02:30:24] And a lot of that is we have to replace [02:30:26] our nice 911 recorder system. [02:30:30] That records everything on 911 and is absolutely essential. [02:30:33] And the current system that we have is failing [02:30:36] and it's at its life's end and it must be replaced. [02:30:38] We have to have that. [02:30:40] So that's the increase right there. [02:30:42] It's a technology thing. [02:30:44] So we can't get around that. [02:30:46] That's not part of this RMS CAD deal, right? [02:30:50] No, no, it's not. [02:30:51] No, good question, because that was the first question. [02:30:53] It ought to be. [02:30:54] That was the first question I had, [02:30:55] but you still have to have something on site [02:30:57] to record all the 911 calls that come in. [02:30:59] The state attorney uses that. [02:31:01] It's public record, so you have to have that system. [02:31:04] And ours, it's life's end. [02:31:06] So it's got to be replaced. [02:31:08] So if you said it's public record, [02:31:10] do you mean anybody can request that? [02:31:13] So if you make a request for a 911 call, [02:31:16] we would have to go to that system [02:31:17] and pull the information, redact what's not public record, [02:31:20] and give out the public records request. [02:31:22] That's where it's housed. [02:31:22] That's where the 911 recordings are all housed. [02:31:25] The state attorney makes a lot of requests, [02:31:27] so we have to pull recordings off that system [02:31:29] for criminal cases. [02:31:32] So that's a, is that a, [02:31:35] we see that it's licensing and materials, [02:31:38] so is that equipment, or is that the licensing? [02:31:42] How much of that is license? [02:31:43] Because the license, I think it was [02:31:44] an annual subscription type deal. [02:31:46] It probably is. [02:31:47] Most of that's going to be hardware this time around, [02:31:49] because we have to replace the whole system. [02:31:51] So the hardware costs are going to be [02:31:52] the significant part of that. [02:31:54] And then software and licensing, [02:31:56] you know, the years thereafter kick in. [02:31:58] Obviously not near as much as replacing [02:32:00] all the hardware in the actual system itself. [02:32:12] So we basically, in this whole division, [02:32:14] had a $46,020 increase, [02:32:19] and the bulk of that is in personnel, [02:32:22] for costs that we just can't control. [02:32:25] Any other questions on 62? [02:32:31] All right, moving forward to division 63, [02:32:33] our CID division. [02:32:37] So really, I mean, they're a great division. [02:32:39] They do a lot of work. [02:32:42] But really not a lot of changes. [02:32:43] Actually a decrease in this division. [02:32:46] So I'll start off with personnel services. [02:32:48] So some of the increases here, [02:32:51] in 41415 would be the overtime for downtown beat. [02:32:59] So basically we look at actuals every year, [02:33:02] and some of the overtime that we incur [02:33:04] to work downtown, very important. [02:33:08] So based on actuals, [02:33:10] our budget is right around $35,000 for that. [02:33:12] So that's why you see that increase. [02:33:15] Off-duty pay. [02:33:16] Now this is one of those interesting offsets, [02:33:18] because even though there's been a decrease in that, [02:33:22] so if we work at the hospital, [02:33:24] our officers work off-duty, [02:33:25] whatever money that we pay them, [02:33:27] we invoice the vendor for, and they pay it back. [02:33:29] So this is almost like a pass-through on my budget, [02:33:32] because the general fund does get reimbursed [02:33:34] for these costs. [02:33:35] So just kind of want to point that out. [02:33:38] So we went here from $768,160 to 571,890, [02:33:45] which is about $196,000 decrease. [02:33:48] And a lot of that is in personnel, [02:33:51] or regular salaries and wages up front, [02:33:53] because we moved the SROs out of this division. [02:33:58] So we had the SROs there, [02:33:59] and we no longer do the SROs, [02:34:01] because we do the phenomenal lift team. [02:34:03] So that's why you see that basically decrease. [02:34:06] It's the phenomenal lift team now, [02:34:08] not just the lift team. [02:34:09] They're phenomenal. [02:34:09] I got to brag about them. [02:34:11] I'm really proud of them. [02:34:12] They're doing a great job. [02:34:14] Retired look phenomenal. [02:34:15] Yeah, they're phenomenal. [02:34:16] So not much in operating law. [02:34:19] We had a decrease again there. [02:34:21] We went from 44,250 to 33,350. [02:34:25] So basically, overall in this division, [02:34:27] we've had a $207,170 decrease, about 25%. [02:34:32] And really, again, SRO positions [02:34:35] and really being pulled out of there. [02:34:38] So this division, they do a great job, [02:34:40] but there's really not much change in it. [02:34:42] Actually, a pretty good decrease [02:34:44] for my budget in the general fund. [02:34:47] I don't have any questions. [02:34:48] Are we looking at it right, personnel-wise, [02:34:50] the page right prior to that? [02:34:54] I'm looking at a full-time equivalent [02:34:55] from 21, 22 from eight people to five and 23, 24. [02:35:05] I think it was seven to five. [02:35:07] That was the two SROs. [02:35:09] Yeah, but going from eight up and all the way from 21, 22, [02:35:13] if we go back two years, we're down three people, right? [02:35:16] From eight to five. [02:35:19] Okay. [02:35:21] Last year, it was two people, it shows that. [02:35:23] Okay, fair enough. [02:35:28] Do we have to pay a certain percentage [02:35:31] to the county for the SRO? [02:35:33] Well, the school district used to pay half [02:35:36] and we paid the other half. [02:35:39] And now the school district pays half [02:35:41] and the county pays the other half. [02:35:43] So we don't want to hook for anything. [02:35:46] That's correct. [02:35:48] Except we're not off the hook, really, [02:35:51] because we're paying for the officer's full salary [02:35:55] in a certain sense. [02:36:01] Okay. [02:36:03] Any other questions on 63? [02:36:08] Now we get to the big division here, patrol, [02:36:12] which really is the backbone of the department, [02:36:14] as it always is. [02:36:17] So we've had some increases in this division, [02:36:19] but I'll go through them one by one. [02:36:23] We'll start off again in the personnel services [02:36:25] portion of the budget. [02:36:27] So again, regular salaries and wages went up [02:36:30] and we did collective bargaining last year. [02:36:32] Some of those numbers are factored into here. [02:36:36] Salaries, you mean? [02:36:37] Correct, yeah. [02:36:38] We implemented the wage increases, [02:36:40] so that's probably the bulk of that. [02:36:42] Union negotiation salaries. [02:36:44] It wasn't part of, really, but we did implement [02:36:48] a large adjustment to salaries based on market conditions. [02:36:55] Right, and that's why you just pointed it out, [02:36:57] so you'll see what the increase was for, most of it. [02:37:01] Again, off-duty pay. [02:37:03] That's been downgraded a little bit, [02:37:05] but again, we get reimbursed for all those off-duties [02:37:07] that they work. [02:37:08] A lot of them are at the hospital [02:37:09] and other different areas in the city. [02:37:11] So again, that's kind of passed through [02:37:14] that we get reimbursed on. [02:37:17] Police pension fund, we can't control that, [02:37:19] but it went from 295,810 to 310,060. [02:37:23] And so those costs are determined ultimately [02:37:26] by the actuary, what the city's contributions are. [02:37:29] And this is interesting. [02:37:31] Police pension state funds 42,216. [02:37:35] So it's 217,600 and it's 217 even in 24. [02:37:41] And that, so that money is basically [02:37:44] what the state reimburses us for the insurance [02:37:46] and our pension plan, but we pay it out of my budget [02:37:49] and then the general fund gets reimbursed [02:37:51] from the state of Florida. [02:37:53] So basically that's really, it's an offset. [02:37:56] So I just wanted to point that out. [02:37:58] And again, our health insurance in this division [02:38:00] went up from 311,780 to 393,390, about an $81,000 increase. [02:38:08] So if we're looking, we're looking at personnel services. [02:38:11] So in this budget, in 23, it was 412,490. [02:38:15] It went up to 436,460. [02:38:18] It's about a 5.81% increase or 239,000. [02:38:22] And basically I think I kind of hit on the reasons [02:38:25] as to why for personnel services. [02:38:28] So in the operating services portion of this budget, [02:38:32] really, really not much of an increase at all. [02:38:35] I really don't have anything highlighted. [02:38:36] Of course, if you have any questions, [02:38:37] we'll be able to answer them. [02:38:39] But we went from 487,780 to 489,50. [02:38:43] We kind of held the line on that one here. [02:38:46] So that's really not the case though [02:38:49] when we get to our capital items for patrol. [02:38:52] And these are necessary items. [02:38:54] So if you could please flip to the capital portion, the page. [02:38:59] So there's several things here. [02:39:02] Tasers, in-car cameras, in-car cameras, and body cameras [02:39:05] that were on five-year, that we were on contracts for. [02:39:08] And you can see those. [02:39:10] You can see them kind of amortized out [02:39:12] over the fiscal years. [02:39:14] So basically every year, that's a fixed cost for us [02:39:16] based on the contract. [02:39:17] And you can see that one goes to 25, 26, [02:39:22] in-car cameras, 11 of them. [02:39:23] And when we get new cars, [02:39:24] obviously it's a whole different set of cameras. [02:39:27] But some of them go out to 27. [02:39:30] Body cameras next year will be the last year. [02:39:32] So those are all fixed costs for us [02:39:35] based on essential items that we need. [02:39:37] These are absolutely essential cameras [02:39:39] that we need in police work. [02:39:41] They really help us out a lot. [02:39:43] What is the expected life of a body camera? [02:39:46] About five years. [02:39:46] Was it? [02:39:47] Yeah, about five years. [02:39:48] Same with the in-car. [02:39:49] I just heard, you see these things on TV and they're- [02:39:52] That's a great question. [02:39:53] It's about standards. [02:39:54] They're God sent. [02:39:55] To have those things protect the officer. [02:39:57] Yeah, right about five years. [02:39:59] Some of the new things that we put in for, [02:40:01] and again, looking at accreditation standards, [02:40:04] and you know we've been doing a lot of training [02:40:07] with active assailant, not only for our officers, [02:40:08] but in city hall and out in the public. [02:40:11] So we need to get rifle plates for our officers [02:40:13] because they really have no means, [02:40:14] God forbid something happens [02:40:16] and whoever the assailant is, is using a rifle. [02:40:19] We have no protection. [02:40:20] Same thing with ballistic helmets. [02:40:22] And we do need a new intoxilizer machine for DUIs. [02:40:25] It's at its life's end. [02:40:26] So those three things right there are new. [02:40:29] So if you look at our capital for this year, [02:40:33] it went up from 120, 230 to 172. [02:40:38] And those for those items there, [02:40:40] mostly just because the rifle plates, [02:40:42] the ballistic helmets and the intoxilizer, [02:40:44] and then we still have the in-body, [02:40:47] I'm sorry, the body-worn cameras, [02:40:48] the in-car cameras and the tasers [02:40:50] still being amortized out in our capital on contracts. [02:40:55] So this fund has an increase of 284,690. [02:41:01] It's about 6%. [02:41:04] Again, some of that is capital, the rifle plates, [02:41:05] ballistic helmets, intoxilizer machine, [02:41:07] all essential equipment. [02:41:10] We decreased our operating budget [02:41:12] and the other basically increases were all in personnel [02:41:15] for health insurance, salary and wages [02:41:16] and some overtime increases that were necessary. [02:41:20] So I'll be able to answer any questions you have on 64. [02:41:24] Body cameras are assigned individually, right? [02:41:26] So they don't get passed from shift to shift [02:41:28] or anything like that? [02:41:29] They get checked out. [02:41:30] They get checked out? [02:41:31] They get checked them out, yes. [02:41:32] Because I noticed it matches almost the number [02:41:35] of people we have in the patrol department. [02:41:37] Right, right. [02:41:44] Do we need 40? [02:41:47] Yeah. [02:41:48] Yeah, because we also have other folks. [02:41:50] One for everybody, right? [02:41:51] Well, we also have code enforcement that use them. [02:41:53] Detectives can take them out when they need to take them out [02:41:55] so we need extras. [02:41:57] Some basically, when you switch them out, [02:41:59] some have to go back on a charge, [02:42:00] so there's turnover. [02:42:02] So a shift comes in, you gotta put a whole bunch on charge. [02:42:05] Just had to ask. [02:42:06] No, it's a great question. [02:42:07] Absolutely. [02:42:08] Trying to make the math work. [02:42:10] Plug them in over at his house, pay the electrical. [02:42:20] How are we doing on staff? [02:42:23] I mean, we just swore in a couple. [02:42:25] Unanswered? [02:42:26] I missed the question, I'm sorry. [02:42:28] How are we doing on staff? [02:42:29] We just swore in a couple. [02:42:30] Are we close to? [02:42:31] So. [02:42:32] Field training program, go ahead. [02:42:34] Yeah, so right now we're down about seven people. [02:42:37] Seven. [02:42:38] Not all officers. [02:42:39] Well, I'm talking about badge carrying, yeah. [02:42:41] We're doing good, we're doing good. [02:42:44] We were down one full-time, I believe, and two part-time, [02:42:48] but we already have people kind of in the pipeline. [02:42:51] So I think we're doing really well there. [02:42:54] But we're, you know, we're doing pretty well. [02:42:56] It's not easy in this profession if you really look around. [02:42:59] I know some departments that are really bleeding, [02:43:01] and we're not in that position. [02:43:03] So that's a good thing. [02:43:05] Must be competitive wage-wise then, I guess. [02:43:10] Cool. [02:43:15] Now the next thing is, actually I hear a lot of compliments [02:43:19] about the officers, but the next department is [02:43:21] I don't hear very many compliments about them. [02:43:25] So I take it you want to move the code enforcement? [02:43:28] Yeah, I'm fine. [02:43:29] Are we good on 64? [02:43:33] Okay, so we'll move to Division 65. [02:43:36] I must say, I mean, coming from Tarpon Springs, [02:43:40] our code enforcement division here is amazing. [02:43:43] The way it's staffed, the amount of work that they do, [02:43:46] bar none, they really, yes, it can be a thankless job, [02:43:49] it's really hard, you know, you go tell someone [02:43:51] that their grass is three feet high, they don't like that. [02:43:54] But they do a really good job, so. [02:43:56] It's regulatory by nature. [02:43:59] Right, right. [02:44:00] And a lot of times, the message isn't well received [02:44:04] no matter how you present it. [02:44:07] And based on the number of complaints [02:44:12] versus the number of times they have to have conversations [02:44:16] or present people with a potential notice of violation, [02:44:20] it's minimal. [02:44:21] Yeah. [02:44:22] Minimal, the number of complaints, I have to feel. [02:44:26] We have people that do a lot of talking. [02:44:27] Sure. [02:44:28] We got 17,000 people, we got five that talk. [02:44:31] And the vast majority. [02:44:31] I'm proud of them. [02:44:32] I am too, the vast majority of our cases [02:44:34] are solved in compliance voluntarily. [02:44:38] So those are the ones that aren't coming to counsel. [02:44:41] So seriously, we solve most of our cases [02:44:43] by working with these folks [02:44:44] and getting them to come into compliance voluntarily. [02:44:47] And you don't hear about that a lot, [02:44:50] but those are the numbers. [02:44:51] And I think sometimes it's lack of knowledge. [02:44:54] The person that you go knock on their door [02:44:56] and say, hey, they said, oh, well, I didn't know that. [02:44:57] And I'll take care of it. [02:45:00] So this division, really not much to highlight, I mean they're funded well, they do a good job. [02:45:08] I'll start off with personnel services. Really again, the only increase there was on health insurance. [02:45:13] So really if you look from 23 to 24, we went from 308, 760 to 334, 540. That an 8% increase. [02:45:21] Again, most of that is all health insurance. And then total operating. [02:45:26] Really the only thing I want to point out to everyone here, [02:45:29] that was a great thing when we basically saved money on the animal services contract. [02:45:34] We negotiated with the county. So that went from 165, 220 to 145. [02:45:38] So that was a really good move on our part to save some money. [02:45:44] So basically operating went from 203, 220 to 183, 200. [02:45:49] That's actually a $20,000 decrease, about 9% decrease. [02:45:55] So overall, we have a 1.13% increase in this total budget. [02:46:00] Again, animal control helped offset some of the increase that could have happened in operating. [02:46:06] And in personnel, health insurance went up a little bit. [02:46:10] And the chief does mention health insurance a lot in the presentation. [02:46:14] So I'm prompted to tell you that when we have vacancies in the department, [02:46:18] we do include health insurance, assuming that that position will be filled. [02:46:25] And sometimes when we hire someone, they don't take health insurance. [02:46:30] Actually, the number comes in lower. [02:46:32] Like in the case of code enforcement, we have a vacancy in the department. [02:46:36] But we program the expense just in case we don't. [02:46:40] Absolutely. Yeah. Understandable. [02:46:43] So any questions on this budget? [02:46:45] You mentioned animal services, which is now county. [02:46:50] We've contracted the county to do that. [02:46:52] Yeah, for some time. [02:46:53] So what's our experience been with that? [02:46:55] It seems like cats, locales. [02:47:06] Any complaints about that? [02:47:07] Is that being handled? [02:47:11] I mean, I know we work very well with animal control services. [02:47:14] They fulfill their contract. [02:47:15] I don't have a count on the cats, but I know that's always been a problem. [02:47:18] It seems to be a problem in every city. [02:47:20] When we get complaints on them, we work with animal control. [02:47:23] We work with the residents and everything like that to try and rein it in when possible. [02:47:28] So I guess that's the best way I could really answer that. [02:47:30] Do we have traps? [02:47:33] No, we don't do that. [02:47:35] We don't do that. [02:47:36] Animal control, we don't. [02:47:37] You used to, years back, have a couple traps. [02:47:40] Animal control would do that. [02:47:42] Or we transferred the responsibility to the county, which was, I think, 2013. [02:47:48] Do they use traps? [02:47:50] Sorry? [02:47:51] Does animal control use traps? [02:47:54] I believe they do. [02:47:55] Depends what kind of animal it is. [02:47:57] But I think that was one of the best moves the city made. [02:48:00] Don't go into the county because they have the resources to do it. [02:48:02] We really don't. [02:48:04] But even with alligators, we have people on call. [02:48:09] If it's a safety issue, of course, but we're really not messing with them, [02:48:12] and we call the right people to come out and take care of them. [02:48:15] It's the same kind of thing. [02:48:18] A little bigger. [02:48:19] A hundred years ago, when you had the traps, I borrowed them [02:48:22] and I delivered a couple of feral cats out to Plath Road. [02:48:29] Any further questions on 65? [02:48:33] Okay, we'll move to the last division, [02:48:36] which is our Special Police Traffic Enforcement Division. [02:48:40] There's really only two people in this, [02:48:42] but they're responsible for a lot of our safety programs, [02:48:45] like our traffic safety program, red light camera program. [02:48:49] This budget had a very slight increase of $3,800. [02:48:54] I really don't have any highlights here, [02:48:57] other than if you look in our operating budget, [02:49:00] red light camera fee and state share, [02:49:03] we basically have supporting revenue that comes in for that. [02:49:06] So those safety programs are very valuable to us. [02:49:10] I totally believe on 19 that's saving lives every step of the way. [02:49:15] So really, this budget, they do a great job. [02:49:18] Our red light camera officer, [02:49:20] and he also has a public records request for body-worn cameras, [02:49:23] and then we have our clerk for the magistrate [02:49:26] and code enforcement that's in this budget. [02:49:28] So for what they have, they do a really good job. [02:49:31] So I really don't have any... [02:49:32] Are they available to go to the schools? [02:49:35] I'm sorry? [02:49:36] Are they available to go to the schools? [02:49:39] Speaking of this department... [02:49:41] Well, we have three actual, I think, staffers in our magistrate [02:49:45] paid out of this department as well. [02:49:47] Okay, right, correct. [02:49:48] I didn't know if this was a place, but I was thinking if... [02:49:51] This isn't a public education department. [02:49:54] Okay, that's what I was looking for more. [02:49:56] No, but the chief would handle that through some of his other divisions. [02:50:00] And depend on what they wanted and where they were. [02:50:02] Of course. [02:50:03] Right. [02:50:04] And I forgot to thank you for mentioning the magistrate [02:50:06] who's also in this budget. [02:50:09] No, he was... [02:50:10] Yeah, you're right. [02:50:14] Any questions on this budget, this division? [02:50:18] Move to adjourn? [02:50:20] Just kidding. [02:50:22] We'll stay as long as you need us to, Mr. Mayor. [02:50:25] This is the end of that page. [02:50:27] Until you're comfortable with everything that's been presented. [02:50:29] Let's do it this way. [02:50:31] Matt or Mike, do you have any questions? [02:50:33] Go back to the other departments that are here. [02:50:36] If you want to go back or something came up because somebody else brought it up. [02:50:41] No, I think I've had most of my questions answered. [02:50:45] Certainly had an opportunity to ask them. [02:50:48] No, I'm good. [02:50:53] Thank you. [02:50:55] Bye, everyone. [02:50:56] Thank you so much. [02:50:57] Thank you.

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