Council passed first reading of Ordinance 2023-2280 allowing RV outdoor storage at 7940 Rutilio Court, and inked a Risk Protection Order interlocal with Pasco Sheriff.
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Pledge of Allegiance
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Approval of June 20, 2023 Regular Meeting Minutes
approvedCouncil approved the minutes from the June 20, 2023 regular meeting.
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[00:00:52] Regular meeting minutes from June 20th. Move for approval. Looking for a second. [00:00:58] Yeah, we got two seconds and a first. All those approved, saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed.
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Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval
approvedon consentThe consent agenda item for purchases/payments was moved and approved unanimously without discussion.
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[00:28:22] Ms. Mann, did you have anything you would like to say? Okay. [00:28:27] All right, then we'll move on to the consent agenda. Move for approval. [00:28:32] Second. All those in favor? [00:28:34] Aye. Those opposed? [00:28:36] Aye. All right, now we're going to the ordinance. The first reading of ordinance 2023-2280,
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2023-2280: Conditional Use for 7940 Rutillio Court
approvedCouncil held first reading of Ordinance No. 2023-2280, a conditional use to allow outdoor storage of registered recreational vehicles at 7940 Rutilio Court in the Light Industrial zoning district. Staff recommended approval with a revised parking/circulation plan; an adjacent property owner expressed conditional support pending preserved access. A motion to approve was made.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2023-2280
- motion:Motion to approve Ordinance No. 2023-2280 on first reading granting a conditional use for outdoor storage of registered recreational vehicles at 7940 Rutilio Court. (passed)
7936 Rutilio Court7940 Rutilio CourtJohn ScopusMikeMr. HallMs. MannConditional use for outdoor RV storageLight Industrial zoning districtOrdinance No. 2023-2280▶ Jump to 28:40 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:28:43] conditional use of 5940 Rutelo Court. It's actually 7940 Rutelo Court. [00:28:51] Oh, 79, I'm sorry. That's okay. And the property is currently [00:28:55] zoned Light Industrial and the purpose of the request is to allow for a conditional use [00:29:04] to permit the outdoor storage of registered recreational vehicles. And Mr. Hall has prepared [00:29:11] a PowerPoint presentation to support the request. Mr. Hall? [00:29:17] Thank you, Ms. Mann. As we see on the slide here, if I can get it to work. [00:29:25] Always technical difficulties. The request is for a conditional use to allow for the approval of the [00:29:33] outdoor storage of registered recreational vehicles. The property is located at 7440 [00:29:41] in the industrial park, as you see there in the outlined red area. The [00:29:47] property directly to the east is county property, but the surrounding property is [00:29:53] a residential property. The property is currently zoned Light Industrial and the purpose is to allow [00:30:00] for the approval of the outdoor storage of registered recreational vehicles. [00:30:05] The property is located at 7440 in the industrial park, as you see there in the outlined red area. [00:30:00] property is mixed-use commercial and industrial. Currently on the property there is a warehouse [00:30:08] where the business is currently in operation for the RV restoration business. The zoning [00:30:17] of this, it was rezoned in February of last year to the light industrial from commercial [00:30:26] and you can see that there's commercial in some of the areas around there in the industrial [00:30:29] park. However, the future land use map shows that that entire area is actually planned [00:30:36] for or the future use of that is for industrial. Staff has worked with the applicant to develop [00:30:44] a parking plan that meets the requirements of the code and should adequately address [00:30:51] and service the needs of the existing business. Minor revisions to the striping will need [00:30:56] to be done to ensure that there's proper vehicle circulation and allow for storage [00:31:01] of the RV units. No additional paving is required, it's basically just a re-striping and realignment [00:31:08] of the circulation area. In consideration of this, the ordinance allows for us to or [00:31:21] provides for us to look at seven criteria for the conditional use and those are things [00:31:27] like does it affect the adjacent properties, how does the circulation work, things of that. [00:31:35] Does the traffic that's generated actually have an impact in the area and the staff has [00:31:41] evaluated the request and as you see that we have recommended approval of the conditional [00:31:47] use to allow for outdoor storage of recreation of registered recreational vehicles. So that [00:31:55] was a very brief summary of this item. It's a pretty straightforward item in consideration [00:32:00] but I'd be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have. There is a staff report [00:32:05] that was prepared and is available for public record that goes in more detail of the items [00:32:11] that are consideration for code and I believe the applicants here if we if you need any questions [00:32:17] from them. We have any public comment? I did have one person sign up, John Capos? [00:32:27] Yes, my name is John Scopus. I own 7936 Rutilio Court which means you got to drive through 7936 [00:32:34] to get through the back and I don't really I don't have a problem with him parking vehicles [00:32:39] back there as long as there's access because there's an in and there's an out and people [00:32:44] got to be able to go around the circle to get in and get out. If there's a fire the fire trucks [00:32:48] need to get in and get out. Other than that I don't have a problem with it. I'm just I don't [00:32:52] really understand exactly what they're planning on doing or what they want to do but I was just [00:32:57] inquiring on if that's going to change the traffic flow back there. [00:33:03] Now can you answer that for us? Sure, staff had worked on the concept plan if I could go back to [00:33:11] the slide that allows for the continued one way in and one way out the storage area of the proposed [00:33:18] units would be and I'll show you once we get it rolling here is on the right side so you would [00:33:24] come in on the left side drive around the front and then there we go you come in the left side [00:33:31] and then drive around the front come in on this side here drive around [00:33:34] RVs would be parked on this side over here and that would be the exit side. [00:33:40] So that would maintain the circulation of that and it really coordinates where the RVs would [00:33:47] be parked again these are ones that are registered that are actually being worked on currently [00:33:52] instead of just parking like they have been in the past across the front of the building [00:33:56] they would be placed in an area and we'd still have the ADA accessibility and we'd still have [00:34:01] the circulation that's so why do we need to change the ordinance what is the ordinance that we're [00:34:07] changing? If I may add um there currently currently it's not the traffic pattern that [00:34:14] the ordinance relates to it's the actual use of that business to store the RVs on the outside [00:34:20] right now the ordinance for a industrial use to store vehicles such as this the code would allow [00:34:25] for or the code would need to be updated for conditional uses specifically now this conditional [00:34:30] use again is specific to storage of registered RVs so if by chance in the future this another [00:34:39] business comes in they would be allowed to do RV storage but not storage of any other materials [00:34:44] besides that. And continued registration so they have to be yearly updated? Well the registration [00:34:52] the registration is for the RVs that they're working on so they couldn't have junk vehicles [00:34:56] out in this parking area so that's the registration of anything if code enforcement goes by and [00:35:01] notices that there's a non-operable untagged or unlicensed RV then they're in violation of the [00:35:09] code because you're not allowed to have junk vehicles. Anybody else? [00:35:17] Um I'm I see I see one access road I don't see the other one. [00:35:22] Look on it look look over this way because he's pointing at this one. [00:35:31] Takes a moment. It takes a moment. In the application that was submitted to [00:35:38] uh to our office and is in the packet also shows another layout that was originally proposed by [00:35:46] the applicant and again we worked with the uh the applicant of this to revise that to make a [00:35:53] to make better circulation throughout the site. On the left hand side is where the one driveway is [00:35:58] in and then on the right hand side is where the driveway is is out. It's the same driveways in [00:36:03] and out we've just allowed an area for parking of those RVs. Yeah we separated the RVs to one [00:36:12] side of the lot and had the actual vehicles to the other side of the lot. So it's major it's [00:36:17] you understand what he's saying? It's mostly a restriping project. Basically nothing's changing [00:36:21] other than they're going to park vehicles out there that are tagged. Okay. So the in and the [00:36:25] out we're good and I'm fine with that as long as we don't have that problem they can do whatever [00:36:29] they want. Okay all right thank you. Anybody else you have? I had a question. We'll just [00:36:36] second. Do we have anybody else? I didn't have anybody else. All right um bring it back um and [00:36:40] go ahead um Mike. Mr. Mayor if I could read the title just so we get that done. This is ordinance [00:36:45] number 2023-2280 an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey Florida providing for approval [00:36:50] of a conditional use for outdoor storage of registered recreational vehicles in the light [00:36:56] industrial zoning district for the property located at 7940 Retilio Court as legally described [00:37:02] herein providing for any necessary conditions on said use and providing for an effective date. [00:37:07] Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um anybody else would like to speak? Mike? Yeah I had a question and this [00:37:15] might go to the attorney. Um when we pass an ordinance for conditional use on a property [00:37:19] like this that that that conditional use goes with that property as it changes hands um you know in [00:37:27] the future right? Yes. And so if if there was ever um a need or desire to change that ordinance again [00:37:35] it would require another action on by this council in order to do so. Correct. Or would have the ability [00:37:40] to. Correct. So yeah so my yeah that that was just my question. We don't have the do we have the [00:37:45] ability on an ordinance like that on a conditional use to put a time frame such as either a certain [00:37:50] period of time or a certain period of time until the property changes hands which it would be [00:37:54] reviewed again? Is that a possibility? You can't you can't impose a restriction that would impair [00:38:00] the ability to convey that use to another party. The possibility of having some type of a time [00:38:07] frame could be something we could explore and that might be something that we could write [00:38:11] into the ordinance but that is currently not provided for in our ordinances. Okay thank you. [00:38:19] Ready for a motion whenever you are Mr. Mayor. Um it's a move move to approve. Yes sir I'm so moved.
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Risk Protection Order (RPO) Interlocal Agreement with Pasco County Sheriff's Office
approvedCouncil approved an interlocal agreement with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office to handle Risk Protection Order (RPO) processing under Florida's red flag law (F.S. 790.401). The Sheriff's Office BHIT unit will process orders while NPR's lift team focuses on support services. The agreement is for one year with an early termination clause, at a cost of $46.97/hour with a three-hour minimum per case.
- motion:Motion to approve the Risk Protection Order interlocal agreement with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office as requested and recommended. (passed)
5335 Bovier Avenue, Newport Richey, Florida, 34652Pasco County Sheriff's OfficeBurtell ButlerChief CochinDebbie MannsMikePeterTim DriscollBHIT unitFlorida Statute 790.401Parkland shooting legislationRisk Protection Order (RPO)lift teampermanent list carry lawred flag laws▶ Jump to 38:25 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:38:25] Second. Um any other comments? [00:38:30] I don't know if not so let's go go ahead and vote move for approval vote yay for favor. [00:38:37] Those opposed equal. So four to one. Moving on to a business item. Four to zero. Four to zero [00:38:44] excuse me. I didn't hear her in the background. Thank you for the correction. Business I um [00:38:52] risk protection ordinance PRO um interlocal agreement with the Pasco County Sheriff's [00:38:57] Department. Yes this is a recommendation um from the staff um in which we're asking you to enter [00:39:09] into an interlocal agreement as you've indicated with Pasco County Sheriff's Office is something [00:39:15] that is being advanced by Chief Cochin. Both um Tim Driscoll and I have worked along [00:39:25] with the chief on this matter. He though has been the principal lead and has hosted the discussions [00:39:32] with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office and he'll be presenting the agenda item. Chief. Thank you [00:39:36] Ms. Manns. So under Florida Law 790-401 we have what we call red flag laws or risk protection [00:39:42] orders and this is a real serious issue because this basically prevents people that are endangering [00:39:48] themselves or others from possessing firearms. It is a legal process so we can take the guns [00:39:53] but then we have to go to court to basically enforce it and that's a complex process. [00:39:59] So the best practice really would be to partner with Pasco County who has a whole division [00:40:05] of attorneys under the BHIT unit that does this every day throughout the whole county. [00:40:11] We also have our lift team so when you look at pulling all these resources together to keep [00:40:17] these firearms out of the hands of people that are dangerous and also offering them help with [00:40:22] our lift team and the BHIT unit combining resources is a win-win for everybody. It's [00:40:28] a best practice. We did it in Pinellas County. It was very successful and I believe that success [00:40:33] can be created here. I've worked with the city manager and a city attorney on this. We all agree [00:40:39] that this is a best practice and this is the way to go. It is a serious issue and you know if we [00:40:46] don't do this the right way this could lead to potential problems. So I would hope that [00:40:53] you would see it our way and approve this in a local agreement with Pasco County. It will be in [00:40:57] effect for one year. It also has an early termination clause so we'll be in the first year of this in a [00:41:03] local agreement kind of assessing how things are going, making adjustments as we go along and make [00:41:08] sure that it's a good fit for our city to continue on. It might additionally be appropriate to note [00:41:14] that we typically don't process more than a dozen of these orders in a typical year and certainly [00:41:24] based on the volume processed by the Sheriff's Office they have much better experience with the [00:41:30] processing of the orders and by allowing them to process the orders we're able to focus our efforts [00:41:40] on the lift portion of the program where we interface directly with those who have the [00:41:49] order in place and make sure that they're going to support services they need so that they're [00:41:54] prepared when they regain the right to have a gun. Right, Ms. Manns, may I add to that? You do. And a lot of times [00:42:04] we'll get an RPO on someone, risk protection order, and they'll go into the county. So now [00:42:09] all of a sudden we got to coordinate with Pasco County to make sure that we're following through [00:42:13] because the lift team is looking to give them services and make sure they're getting the help [00:42:17] they need. Same with the BHIT team. So we're having folks coming back and forth coming from the city [00:42:21] or going into the county. So pulling our resources together is definitely the way to go to ensure [00:42:27] that the guns are staying out of their hands and that they're getting help at the same time. Thank you. [00:42:33] And Mr. Mayor, if I could just add to it that this statute was enacted by the legislature following [00:42:37] the Parkland shooting and the city has been implementing the statute internally [00:42:44] but as the Chief said that we think that there's some benefits to coordinating and having the [00:42:49] sheriff run the program instead of us having to do it and we think that that'll create some more [00:42:55] efficiencies and we can use their resources to better evaluate the cases from a behavioral [00:43:02] aspect as well. But we're here to answer any questions you have. And there is a fee associated [00:43:08] with their service which we didn't note and it's 46.97 per hour and there's a minimum charge of [00:43:15] three hours per case. We have any public comment? [00:43:26] How are you doing? [00:43:32] I would like to publicly state when you all addressed everybody [00:43:36] and their concerns not one of you addressed me. Anyways, let me continue. Thank you, Peter. [00:43:42] So for this particular thing, this is great. I think it's great that we're doing something [00:43:49] to make sure that the community is safe and guns are not in the hands of the people that don't need [00:43:55] them. These guns you will be confiscating. Will you be seizing them and selling them once you [00:44:04] get them, Chief? How does that work? We hold them for a year and then the court decides [00:44:08] what happens to the guns after that. Thank you, sir. And also, I guess this would be a question [00:44:13] for the city manager since she seems to be the head person in charge. How much is the cost that [00:44:21] this estimated will potentially cost the city? You said it was $43 an hour or something like that. Do [00:44:27] we know what the potential cost might be? $6,000 a year. $6,000? Thank you, sir. If you do 12 and [00:44:33] 150 bucks, do the math. Okay, thank you, sir. That's not right, sir. [00:44:38] That's not quite the right math. I did on that one. [00:44:44] Nikola Tesla over here with the mathematics. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. And the only [00:44:50] question I will have is, Chief, you said that the lift team, right? That's the team that we [00:44:55] gave the $31,000 to, right? Mayor's [00:45:00] It's okay. [00:45:01] Yeah, that's great. [00:45:02] Try to answer the question. [00:45:03] That's fine. [00:45:04] Okay. [00:45:05] Yeah. [00:45:06] I was just asking, that's the team, right? [00:45:07] Yes. [00:45:08] With the behavioral services. [00:45:09] Okay. [00:45:10] Will we ever get a report on like the successes of that program, like once, you know, it's [00:45:12] been implemented for some time, will the council or the public ever? [00:45:17] We probably will plan on doing that. [00:45:19] I have to work with the city manager on that, but we'll be transparent with the team, absolutely. [00:45:23] Thank you very much, Chief. [00:45:24] There's probably going to be some privacy things to deal with, too, with these individuals. [00:45:27] Well, that we can't reveal. [00:45:28] Yes, correct. [00:45:30] But, you know, some of the things we can't. [00:45:31] Yeah. [00:45:32] We're not trying to violate HIPAA laws. [00:45:33] We just want to make sure that the program that's been implemented is actually, you know, [00:45:36] a good program. [00:45:37] It sounds like it's a good program. [00:45:38] We just want to know. [00:45:40] Ballpark figure, if there was 12 per year, it'd be $4,800. [00:45:44] Well, you know, things might change with the new permanent list carry law that just went [00:45:47] into effect on the 1st, so, you know, we've got to make sure everybody's safe, but thank [00:45:51] you for answering the questions. [00:45:55] Would anyone else like to speak? [00:46:02] Burtell Butler, 5335 Bovier Avenue, New Port Richey, Florida, 34652. [00:46:07] This doesn't exactly directly relate to the item, but may I, if you can just entertain [00:46:14] me for five seconds. [00:46:15] No, sir. [00:46:16] No, sir. [00:46:17] No, sir. [00:46:18] It's related to the... [00:46:19] Please sit down, sir. [00:46:20] Okay. [00:46:21] Please sit down. [00:46:22] Please sit down. [00:46:23] Can I speak and then you can decide? [00:46:24] No, no, no. [00:46:26] It is on this item, but it's regarding the public conversation that's being had on the [00:46:29] item. [00:46:30] So I'm going to speak and if you decide it's not in line with that, I'll send an email. [00:46:35] Should we be addressing the department heads or do we relay our questions and comments [00:46:39] to you? [00:46:40] Relay your questions to us and then we'll relay it to staff. [00:46:43] Okay. [00:46:44] Just wanted to clarify that going forward. [00:46:46] Thank you. [00:46:47] Anybody else like to speak? [00:46:53] I'll bring it back for approval. [00:46:54] I'll make the motion to approve as requested and recommended. [00:46:59] Second. [00:47:00] Okay. [00:47:01] Anybody else like to speak? [00:47:02] Do you want to start, Pete? [00:47:03] Yeah. [00:47:04] I think it was well explained and anything that helps to support partnerships as long [00:47:10] as we maintain our independence and integrity is I'm all for. [00:47:14] Mike? [00:47:15] Yeah. [00:47:16] Sorry about my math. [00:47:17] It's $1,800, so I was a little quick on that. [00:47:21] The, you know, we've, now this might be the second little partnership we've done with [00:47:28] the Sheriff's Department besides the resource officers. [00:47:31] This is the second one. [00:47:34] I certainly think this makes sense because of the small number of instances that typically [00:47:40] occur and I just want to be on record that we're not looking to move policing services [00:47:49] away from our department. [00:47:51] I'm very proud of the way our department acts and serves our citizens and look for that [00:47:56] to go in the future. [00:47:57] Nothing from me. [00:47:58] I'm good. [00:47:59] The only thing that I see is that, you know, we're a staff of, well, with 42 officers,
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