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   Approval of July 7, 2020 CRA Meeting Minutes

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   The CRA Board approved the minutes from the July 7, 2020 CRA meeting.

   • motion:Approve the July 7, 2020 CRA meeting minutes. (passed)

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   [00:00:17] First item on the agenda is the approval of the July 7th, [00:00:18] 2020 CRA meeting minutes. [00:00:20] Move for approval. [00:00:21] Second. [00:00:22] Any discussion? [00:00:23] Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. [00:00:25] Aye. [00:00:26] Opposed? [00:00:28] Motion passes.

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   Approval of Ranking of Firms for Design and Construction Services Related to the Establishment of a Parking Structure

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   The CRA Board approved the staff ranking of nine firms responding to an RFQ for design-build services for a 350-space parking structure on the east side of US 19 just south of Acorn Street, to support Keiser University students by April 30, 2021. Coca-Lokas Contracting (with Fisher Architects, Dura Stress, and Wickstrom Engineering) was ranked first at a not-to-exceed cost of $6.5 million for a proposed 375-space structure. Public commenters raised concerns about COVID-19 community needs and over-reliance on Keiser, and Councilman Altman asked about flexibility to expand scope based on a Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council proposal.

   • motion:Motion to approve the ranking of firms for design and construction services for the parking structure, with Coca-Lokas Contracting and team ranked first, subject to closing on the property. (passed)

   📍6041 Florida Avenue📍East side of US Highway 19, just south of Acorn Street📍North Beach Parking Plaza, Clearwater Beach📍Pine Hill Road🏢Ajax Building Company🏢Coastal Design Consultants🏢Coca-Lokas Contracting🏢Core Construction🏢Coreslab Structures🏢Dura Stress Incorporated🏢Engineering Matrix🏢Finfrock🏢Fisher Architects🏢Harvard Jolly Architecture🏢Keiser University🏢Kenan Development Group🏢Kimley-Horn and Associates🏢Pannonia Associates🏢Pasco County🏢Pre-Con Construction of Florida🏢R.R. Simmons Construction Corporation🏢Structured Parking Solutions🏢Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council🏢Tim Haahs🏢Wickstrom Engineering Services Company👤Councilman Altman👤Councilman Davis👤Debbie Manns👤John Kane👤John Lewis👤Marlo Jones👤Mr. Baradot👤Mr. Murphy👤Mr. Rivera👤Mr. Rudd#$6.5 million not-to-exceed budget#375 parking space structure ($17,334 per space)#April 30, 2021 completion deadline#CARES Act funding#Main Street Landing#Pasco Cares program#RFQ for parking structure design-build services#Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council resiliency study

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   [00:00:29] Next is approval of the ranking of firms [00:00:31] for design and construction services [00:00:33] related to the establishment of a parking structure. [00:00:36] Mrs. Manz. [00:00:38] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [00:00:40] As indicated, the agenda item relates to the establishment [00:00:46] of a parking structure on the east side of US Highway 19, [00:00:50] just south of Acorn Street. [00:00:52] The proposal at this point is to build [00:00:56] a 350 parking space structure on the property [00:01:01] at a price not to exceed $6.5 million. [00:01:06] In that respect, an RFQ, which was prepared by Mr. Rudd, [00:01:10] was let in May of 2020, [00:01:17] to which we received nine responses [00:01:22] from nine very qualified local and national firms. [00:01:27] Before I go further with this agenda item, [00:01:29] I do want to make the point that if you determine [00:01:33] it's appropriate to accept a ranking of the firms, [00:01:37] we are doing so subject to the closing on the property. [00:01:41] The city attorney and I are still negotiating [00:01:44] some final points on a parking agreement. [00:01:49] The parking agreement must be fully executed [00:01:52] before we close on the property, [00:01:55] and so we've had to back up that closing date [00:01:57] a couple of times. [00:01:58] We're hopeful currently that we'll be able to close [00:02:02] on Tuesday of next week, though. [00:02:05] Thursday. [00:02:06] Thursday. [00:02:07] And the city attorney tells me it's Thursday instead, so. [00:02:10] She's backing it up. [00:02:11] Thank you, Mr. City Attorney. [00:02:15] Didn't think you worked on Thursday. [00:02:17] Yes, so in respect to the nine submittals, [00:02:23] a short list of five candidates [00:02:26] was identified by a staff team led [00:02:32] by myself, Mr. Rivera, Mr. Rudd, and Mr. Baradot. [00:02:36] We determined based on experience, [00:02:40] financial capacity, and qualification of team members [00:02:44] who the top five firms would be, [00:02:48] those respondents participated with us [00:02:52] in a session whereby they presented themselves. [00:02:59] That was important to us for a lot of different reasons. [00:03:02] This project, as I'm sure you'll recall, [00:03:05] is being presented to you on a design-build basis. [00:03:09] That means that the architect and the contractor [00:03:15] are working together on a project. [00:03:18] The reason we determined that it would be appropriate [00:03:22] to do so is based on the fact that this structure [00:03:26] needs to be completed by April 30th of 2021 [00:03:31] in order to accommodate some students [00:03:37] that will be attending Kaiser University. [00:03:41] And those are the folks that have donated the land [00:03:43] upon which this structure is to be established. [00:03:49] The responding firms were ranked [00:03:54] at the conclusion of their session with city staff. [00:04:00] The rankings were that Coca-Locas Contracting, [00:04:04] Fisher Architects, Dura Stress Incorporated, [00:04:07] and Vickstrom Engineering Services Company [00:04:10] ranked number one. [00:04:11] Coca-Locas is a local contractor, [00:04:17] having worked in Pasco County [00:04:18] and based in Turpin Springs. [00:04:22] Ajax Building Company, Harvard Jolly Architecture, [00:04:25] Engineering Matrix, Pannonia Associates [00:04:29] and Coastal Design Consultants and Course Lab Structures, [00:04:34] rated second. [00:04:36] Kenan Development Group, who is the company [00:04:39] that will be constructing Kaiser University [00:04:42] coupled with Finfrock, and they rated third. [00:04:47] R.R. Simmons Construction Corporation rated fourth. [00:04:52] And the fifth ranking belongs to Core Construction, [00:04:56] Pre-Con Construction of Florida, [00:04:59] Tim Haas, Structured Parking Solution, [00:05:01] and Kimley Horne and Associates. [00:05:05] Coca-Locas specifically proposed [00:05:10] to build a 375 parking space structure, [00:05:15] which is 25 spaces more than our minimum requirement [00:05:19] for the project. [00:05:21] That brings the cost per parking space to $17,334, [00:05:28] which is a very favorable amount. [00:05:32] Typically for a functional [00:05:35] and I'd like to say artistic design, [00:05:39] one that has innovative features, [00:05:42] the cost is typically much closer to $25,000 per space [00:05:47] in a elevated structure. [00:05:51] And Coca-Locas has done a lot of work [00:05:59] with parking structures as have the partners [00:06:02] that they have established for this project. [00:06:08] They have a proven track record of not only design, [00:06:13] but of successful construction. [00:06:16] I've included in your agenda packet their proposal, [00:06:20] which outlines the North Beach Parking Plaza, [00:06:23] which is something that they completed in Clearwater Beach. [00:06:27] As a result of the fact that they offer [00:06:32] the city a proven track record, [00:06:35] and they're committed to not only [00:06:38] delivering the project on time, [00:06:40] but doing so on budget. [00:06:43] And with the appropriate amount of amenities, [00:06:47] for instance, some office space in the building as well, [00:06:52] the staff feels confident recommending to you [00:06:54] that you consider approving our ranking of candidates. [00:06:59] Thank you. [00:07:00] Open it up for public comment. [00:07:04] If you would come down and give your name [00:07:06] and address for the record, please. [00:07:15] Hello, my name is Marlo Jones, [00:07:17] address is Pine Hill Road for the record. [00:07:22] I'd just like to say, can we have a moment of silence [00:07:25] for John Lewis, just a moment of silence for John Lewis. [00:07:32] I'd also like to thank you, Mr. Mayor, [00:07:34] for acknowledging us in the back. [00:07:37] I'd also just like to say for a moment, [00:07:39] I'm listening, and we're listening, [00:07:41] and we're listening to you guys talk about these things [00:07:44] that the city is gonna vote on [00:07:45] and possibly spend money on. [00:07:47] It is my sincere hopes that I've heard a couple of you [00:07:51] talk about the seriousness of COVID-19 [00:07:55] and the damage and the havoc that it's wreaking [00:07:57] on Floridians and people across the United States. [00:08:02] Particularly here in Florida, we're seeing it very bad. [00:08:06] As we know, our governor is not doing so great of a job [00:08:10] in handling the situation. [00:08:12] So we ask and we hope that maybe something might be done [00:08:18] in this budget that we're hearing and different things [00:08:21] to maybe put a little bit more money and resources [00:08:24] into helping some people in the community. [00:08:26] I know the county is doing some things [00:08:30] with the Pasco Cares, helping citizens, [00:08:32] financial assistance, housing, [00:08:35] rental assistance, and stuff like that. [00:08:37] So I'm hoping maybe somewhere along the lines [00:08:40] and some meetings that you guys can get [00:08:42] maybe something like that on the agenda [00:08:44] to maybe discuss or talk about, [00:08:46] to figure out what ways we can better help [00:08:49] the citizens of New Port Richey [00:08:52] and the business owners who are going to be suffering [00:08:54] as well from this pandemic [00:08:56] because it seems to be getting worse by the day. [00:09:00] But that's all I want to say. [00:09:01] Thank you very much. [00:09:02] Thank you. [00:09:03] I'll go ahead and make a comment on what you asked for. [00:09:06] I've already talked to Ms. Manns [00:09:09] about possibly looking at some of the funding [00:09:11] and the way our CRA is structured [00:09:14] to see if there's ways that we could actually help [00:09:16] the people you just talked about. [00:09:18] So she hasn't got back with me, [00:09:19] but it's been what, about a week now [00:09:21] that you've been looking into it? [00:09:22] I'd like to think it's less than a week, Councilman. [00:09:25] Yeah, well, okay. [00:09:26] I'll go with you. [00:09:27] I don't know what day it is anymore. [00:09:28] But anyhow, we've talked about it and we're looking at it. [00:09:31] Okay, good. [00:09:31] And one last thing I'd like to say before I leave, [00:09:33] and I'd also like to hope that with some of the money [00:09:38] that you guys are getting ready to spend, [00:09:40] that we do all we can for getting the police chief [00:09:44] all the tools and necessary equipment he needs [00:09:46] for his police force, you know, like body cameras. [00:09:49] I know you guys are in the operations [00:09:53] of getting all that handled [00:09:54] and finalizing some things on that. [00:09:56] But, you know, we'd like to see it happen [00:09:58] a little bit more quickly, just for the public, [00:10:01] you know, and for everybody. [00:10:02] I think we should have been done, did that a long time ago. [00:10:05] And also, you know, for our fire departments, [00:10:07] making sure they have all the tools and resources they need, [00:10:11] because as you guys said earlier, [00:10:12] they are on the front lines of this COVID-19. [00:10:16] And like you said, I had my test the other day. [00:10:19] It's no joke, okay? [00:10:20] It's the real deal. [00:10:21] So thank y'all very much, okay? [00:10:23] Thank you. [00:10:24] The only other thing is that I'm real good friends [00:10:25] with the police chief, and you just opened a can of worms. [00:10:27] I wish you wouldn't have had to open. [00:10:29] I think I know a little bit, he's okay. [00:10:31] Yeah. [00:10:32] Mr. Mayor, if you'd allow me just to remark for the record [00:10:36] that Pasco County is the facilitator of funds [00:10:39] from the state government, [00:10:41] and they are offering services to our residents [00:10:45] as part of their commitment to distribute the funds. [00:10:48] I know they had a CARES fund thing [00:10:50] that opened up one day last week at nine, [00:10:53] and in less than five minutes, they'd completely spent it. [00:10:57] So, but getting back to the discussion [00:11:02] of the parking structure, if we could. [00:11:06] I just have one question. [00:11:07] You said offices. [00:11:12] No, not you. [00:11:13] No, go ahead. [00:11:14] CRA. [00:11:16] John Kane, 6041 Florida Avenue. [00:11:22] I have a little background with Kaiser, [00:11:24] because I remember when they moved into the building, [00:11:28] and I had delivered mail to, [00:11:30] so I have a little bit of an understanding. [00:11:33] Most of their student body, [00:11:37] basically, Kaiser gets their funding [00:11:40] directly from the government. [00:11:42] Most of their students are in a government program [00:11:45] to be retrained. [00:11:47] It is not like a state college or something of that nature. [00:11:53] Having said that, having realized that, [00:11:57] I kind of question that entire corridor, [00:12:02] donating it the way we have, [00:12:06] concentrating it all on one organization. [00:12:10] I know at one point, we talked about some retail, [00:12:13] we talked about some box stores, [00:12:15] but a lot of things being hashed out. [00:12:18] And then the next thing I knew, [00:12:20] Kaiser was coming into it, [00:12:21] and now there's a parking garage to accommodate it. [00:12:25] The only apprehension that I seem to have [00:12:27] is if economies go bad, [00:12:31] funding goes bad for student programs, [00:12:34] which this organization is dependent on, [00:12:38] could we be put in a position [00:12:41] where we put all our eggs in one basket, [00:12:44] and we're back to having that area [00:12:46] back to where we had it, [00:12:49] as opposed to diversifying it in a different manner. [00:12:54] That's the only thing I wanted to say. [00:12:56] Thank you. [00:12:57] Thank you, Mr. Cain. [00:12:59] Mr. Davis. [00:13:00] I just want to say that Kaiser has, I think, [00:13:03] 16 campuses across the state of Florida. [00:13:07] They're very familiar with the economics [00:13:09] of what they're doing, without a doubt. [00:13:12] Also, just about the parking garage, [00:13:15] there's been discussion in the years [00:13:17] that I've been on council, [00:13:19] possibly be in a parking structure downtown, [00:13:22] and I think that this might end up [00:13:24] being our parking structure downtown. [00:13:26] They'll just have to walk over the bridge to be downtown. [00:13:30] And that being, those two things being said, [00:13:34] you said possibly offices, is that? [00:13:37] Offices and retail? [00:13:39] Yeah, office or retail. [00:13:40] Okay, that's all I wanted to say. [00:13:41] Okay, thank you. [00:13:42] I made the, as I mentioned during communications last week, [00:13:47] my wife and I drove down [00:13:49] to look at that North Beach parking structure. [00:13:53] I was not a real big fan of the idea [00:13:57] of having retail in a parking structure [00:14:00] until I saw that structure, [00:14:01] and it is, I think it would actually work [00:14:05] for what we've been talking about. [00:14:09] I just hope the facade's a little nicer, excuse me, [00:14:12] than the retail structure at Main Street Landing, I think. [00:14:17] You know, it doesn't lend to, [00:14:21] it doesn't lend to, excuse me, [00:14:24] but it doesn't lend a draw from one business [00:14:26] for the next business. [00:14:28] It all kind of looks the same. [00:14:30] I think I'll let Mr. Murphy talk next. [00:14:33] You know, give Mr. Altman a chance. [00:14:36] He said he designed it, it's a fair comment. [00:14:39] I'll show you the picture I had for that spot, [00:14:41] and you'll really love it. [00:14:43] Mr. Murphy, any thoughts? [00:14:45] No, I like some of the designs and places that they built, [00:14:49] especially the Clearwater one and some other ones, [00:14:52] and the whole, you know, obviously the whole purpose [00:14:54] is to make it not look like a parking garage [00:14:57] and serve multiple purposes, so. [00:15:00] We'll see what they come up with. [00:15:03] Okay. [00:15:04] Mr. Kane, I think you had good points that you brought up, and it's not something that [00:15:10] I haven't overlooked in discussing this possible parking garage with Ms. Manns. [00:15:15] I do want to add that there is the open window for possibly building a nice chain hotel on [00:15:23] the premise as well, which would need to use some of that parking space. [00:15:27] But to me, the proof is going to be in the pudding. [00:15:30] I can't wait to see what it looks like. [00:15:32] It shouldn't, like you said, it shouldn't look like a parking garage. [00:15:35] I've seen parking garages in Orlando, New Jersey, New York City that are beautiful. [00:15:42] You wouldn't even realize they're a parking garage. [00:15:45] Like I mentioned earlier, we had rented a car to drive upstate New York when we went [00:15:51] over the bridge from New York City to New Jersey a couple summers ago, and there was [00:15:56] an enterprise rent-a-car business inside the bottom of the parking garage. [00:16:00] It was a really, really cool thing, and I think there's a lot you can do with it. [00:16:05] I'm really, really looking at the proposal and the presentation that is in our agenda [00:16:09] packet. [00:16:10] I really, really like some of the other projects that they've taken on, other than just parking [00:16:17] garages. [00:16:18] I mean, if I could ever convince them to build this nice little neighborhood public somewhere [00:16:23] close to downtown with some of these designs I've seen in this proposal, that would be [00:16:26] pretty amazing. [00:16:27] They really have kind of covered a pretty broad spectrum as to what their capabilities [00:16:35] are from what I've seen, and I'm very, very eager to see what they come up with. [00:16:40] Although they have done a good number of public shopping centers, I think the thing about [00:16:45] it that impressed the committee the most is that they're so unique from each other, and [00:16:50] they truly represent what's best in a neighborhood, and make sure that the public center fits, [00:16:56] which is something that Councilman Davis has asked. [00:16:58] Yeah, there's a Publix, I believe it's Publix 1495, I think it's in Isla Morada. [00:17:05] I was taking pictures of it a couple years ago, and one of the employees walked out and [00:17:11] he said that he had been hired by the Publix in Key Largo, and he drove right by it when [00:17:17] he came down for his first day of work, because he thought it was an apartment complex. [00:17:21] So there's a lot of variety, and you get a chance to take a look at that Publix. [00:17:26] The Publix on Clearwater Beach falls in that same category. [00:17:29] You almost wouldn't recognize it as a Publix. [00:17:33] Mr. Altman. [00:17:34] Yeah, I'd kind of like to toss this back to our Executive Director to ask if you would [00:17:41] comment on what has been an appeal and what we've all looked to try to do, how you might [00:17:50] perceive the overall proposal that you got from the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council [00:17:57] to engage in a little bit more of our visioning and the overall site, because when we look [00:18:10] at the property next to the parking garage on Main, two empty retail establishments, [00:18:20] stores up and down, all for sale, all needing redevelopment, and the Regional Planning Council [00:18:27] just got awarded over half a million dollars in the CARES Act for assisting local governments [00:18:33] in this kind of thing, and I know they sent you a proposal. [00:18:37] I know it's important to get this sale to occur and to get the commitment to be made, [00:18:43] but I would like to determine your sense of the possibility of this parking garage being [00:18:53] modified to incorporate some of these things when we're being asked to do a not-to-exceed [00:19:00] proposal. [00:19:01] Would there be the ability to amend that after time if there are additional projects [00:19:07] that would basically have an economy of scale? [00:19:12] I'm hesitant to just do this many parking spaces. [00:19:17] So many are for the university. [00:19:19] So many are for us. [00:19:21] If there are other development interests around, I know they haven't committed to the hotel, [00:19:28] so some of these spaces would be for the future hotel, I would imagine, and then there [00:19:33] are additional spaces that remain that the city would have for our public use. [00:19:41] So how we use those publicly, I think we've talked about a lot of trying to create something [00:19:48] on Main Street, but I know you had received a proposal, and I don't know if you've got [00:19:57] it on the... [00:19:58] Well, as is the case from time to time, Councilman Altman, you're like a couple of steps ahead [00:20:02] of me. [00:20:03] Okay. [00:20:04] And my plan was to present that to the CRA at a meeting next week on Tuesday, if that's [00:20:09] acceptable to you. [00:20:10] So my question to you, it's acceptable, sure. [00:20:13] My question to you is for my vote tonight to establish this agreement, whether or not [00:20:21] the flexibility will be... [00:20:24] You talk about the capabilities of them, the Mayor mentioned some of the great stuff [00:20:27] they've done, the Deputy Mayor as well. [00:20:31] Simple question, if we approve this at a not-to-exceed, and other interests come along and say, hey, [00:20:39] we'd like to be part of this project, and maybe the parking garage gets bigger, maybe [00:20:45] more investment comes into town, how would you see that would affect this agreement today? [00:20:53] Well, I'm going to suggest that this is a defined project at this point. [00:20:59] If you're asking me, can the parking structure be established in such a fashion as to allow [00:21:04] for additional levels, yes, we can do that without question. [00:21:12] But we are on a timetable that just doesn't allow us to sit back and wait for another [00:21:19] partner to present themselves. [00:21:22] I hear you. [00:21:24] And so for this vote tonight, I'm suggesting that the project's defined. [00:21:33] We do need to move forward with all due haste. [00:21:38] There are some options, I think, in that whole area that we need to be looking at, but that's [00:21:43] not really directly tied to the issue at hand. [00:21:50] We do need a motion and a second to do something with this. [00:21:53] I'll move. [00:21:54] Second. [00:21:55] To the maker? [00:21:56] Nothing more. [00:21:57] Second. [00:21:58] Ms. Mance, you said this needs to be done by April 2021, correct? [00:21:59] Correct. [00:22:00] So I agree with you 100%. [00:22:01] I understand what Councilman Alban's saying, but I hear a lot about this resiliency study [00:22:06] and Tampa Bay regional planning and whatnot, we're on a time crunch here. [00:22:10] So if they want to commit half a million dollars or all this money that you talk about into [00:22:15] a design for East Main or West Main, let them do it. [00:22:19] With this, we've got to get it done. [00:22:21] It's an agreement with Kaiser University and a possible hotel. [00:22:24] So I'm not opposed to all this resiliency information that you bring back from Tampa [00:22:29] Bay regional planning, but if they want to pay for a design for West Main and figure [00:22:34] something out around the parking structure, I'd love to look at it. [00:22:38] But I don't think we can go into a project based on, well, things might change two or [00:22:42] three years from now, then what are we going to do? [00:22:44] Obviously, if you have the top of the structure open and put some nice landscaping that's [00:22:47] removable up there, and then the resiliency study and our downtown economy calls for one [00:22:55] or two more levels and our fire department can handle that, then I'm all about it. [00:23:02] I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm with Ms. Manns on this, we're on a time crunch [00:23:07] and things can always change in the future. [00:23:10] With all this resiliency talk, if they want to invest money in our city, I would love [00:23:14] it. [00:23:15] Let's look at an overall, I think when we talk, and you know more about it than I do [00:23:19] because you attend the meetings and I don't, I just keep hearing it over and over again, [00:23:24] I would love to have them come up with some kind of outline of an overall plan for West [00:23:29] Main from the bridge to 19, Acorn Street, if they want to engage with our city or something [00:23:34] like that, I think it's a fabulous idea, fantastic idea, but I'm just, I guess maybe because [00:23:40] I don't go to the meetings, I know the mayor goes, have you been to regional planning council [00:23:43] meetings? [00:23:44] Not in ages, so I've never been, so I'm sorry if I sound a bit uneducated on what is said [00:23:52] there, but if they're interested in our city, I'd love to engage with them and have them [00:23:57] come up with a plan because we've got, like you said, we all know we've got a bunch of [00:24:00] old buildings, a bunch of businesses that could do better, a bunch of landlords that [00:24:06] could do better or sell, so I'm all about it, but I guess I'm just a little confused [00:24:13] as to what they're trying to offer the city. [00:24:16] We'll do that next week, so to the motion that's on the floor. [00:24:19] I just thought we got the price of the property to build a parking structure was right up [00:24:25] our alley, so I don't want to mess with that at all. [00:24:28] Exactly. [00:24:29] Mr. Allman, anything? [00:24:30] Oh, sure. [00:24:31] I would like to just follow up and say that, you know, this is our opportunity to converse [00:24:37] with each other, and that's all I'm asking to do, I don't need it to get to feel like [00:24:42] there's disagreement. [00:24:45] I'm impressed that the company that has been selected has got some beautiful things they've [00:24:50] done, and just to clarify, the overall concept of us doing something is something we've all [00:25:02] talked about out there, and so what has been proposed, and Ms. Mansfield will present it [00:25:08] to you next week, I'll let her do it, is right down the alley of what you're talking [00:25:13] about, and one I hope we all can get excited about. [00:25:17] The goal is not to slow down Kaiser University or to miss the deadline, but only to say that, [00:25:24] as has been suggested before, they're more than just one player, and that corner is important, [00:25:31] so I appreciate the recognition of that. [00:25:34] I'll vote for the motion. [00:25:36] I just wanted to make sure we had a flexible firm so that if good ideas come along along [00:25:40] the way, that we're not going to be incapable of being flexible, that's all. [00:25:48] And if I could add just one more thing, I'm excited to see the presentation next week. [00:25:54] Whatever development goes on the northeast corner of Main and 19, I think it's important [00:26:02] that we try to work with that developer, whatever project ends up going there, and so it ties [00:26:06] into both corners, as we're talking about doing, because Kaiser University worked with [00:26:10] us on doing that entryway with the sign, and you only see that if you're heading south [00:26:15] on 19, you'll see that, but if you're heading north on 19, I think it's very, very important [00:26:19] that we have something on that northeast corner to tie into that, because we keep talking [00:26:25] about this entryway to the city, and you're right, I wasn't trying to be short with you, [00:26:28] I'm just trying to grasp everything. [00:26:32] I think it's so crucial and so important that we use that area right there to define, so [00:26:37] people know, just like we drive by downtown Safety Harbor, that there's something down [00:26:40] there, and so whatever project goes on the other corner as well, whenever that may be, [00:26:46] I just hope that we are working with whatever developer might end up with a project there [00:26:53] to let them know, hey, we would like that little chunk of land to do what we did on [00:26:57] the opposite corner, and I just think it's really, really important, that whole entryway, [00:27:01] not just the one-sided street that we're talking about. [00:27:03] Thank you. [00:27:04] Mr. Murphy? [00:27:05] No, I don't have anything more. [00:27:08] I am also looking forward to next week. [00:27:13] The overall dream for that whole stretch of Main Street is far larger than just a parking [00:27:19] garage, just a hotel, just Kaiser. [00:27:22] I do not want to see us get any of the pieces that are time critical screwed up while we're [00:27:31] dreaming about how we can make the rest of it what it needs to be, but I don't want us [00:27:37] to lose track of what those other pieces are, because I can envision that section of both [00:27:47] Main Street and Acorn Street becoming very vibrant, particularly with a university at [00:27:54] one end and a Main Street landing complex at the other end. [00:28:00] It's a pretty exciting prospect. [00:28:02] So I look forward to that discussion at next week's meeting. [00:28:08] We have a motion and a second. [00:28:09] Any further discussion?

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