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   Proposed Tram Route and Parking Structure Hours

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   Staff presented a proposed tram route with five stops (Main Street Landings, Nebraska/Grand, Sims Park, back to Main Street Landings, parking structure) and proposed parking structure hours (7:30 a.m. to 12 a.m. daily until the hotel opens, then 24/7). Council discussed adding stops on the northwest side of River Road to serve businesses there and possibly near the boat ramp/chamber area, and providing flexibility in closing time so the garage doesn't lock before the last tram run. Council gave direction to staff to refine the route and return; no formal vote taken.

   • direction:Council directed staff to revise the proposed tram route to include a stop on the northwest side of River Road and to consider a stop near the boat ramp/chamber, and to provide flexibility on parking garage closing hours so the garage doesn't close before the last tram run. (none)

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   [00:00:20] We've got an item on the agenda, actually two related ones, a proposed tram route and [00:00:27] parking structure hours. [00:00:29] I'll ask Ms. Manz to tell us what staff's thoughts are on this. [00:00:35] I have had one request from the public to comment, so we'll open it up for them when [00:00:39] you're done and then we'll bring it back and kick it around some. [00:00:43] Okay. [00:00:44] Great. [00:00:45] Go for it. [00:00:46] The reason that I wanted to bring this forward to you relates to the fact that we are in [00:00:56] receipt of one of our tram vehicles and we are planning for the receipt of a second and [00:01:04] to put the first in operation. [00:01:09] And we're also planning to somewhat standardize the hours of the parking structure. [00:01:20] Pardon, can we get Mike to mute himself? [00:01:24] I told him I could see him already. [00:01:27] The benefit of the parking structure largely is to serve as a benefit to our downtown area [00:01:42] and so this transportation link is very much of value to us. [00:01:49] We expect it to grow in popularity and we expect over time for us to make several adjustments [00:02:03] to a schedule. [00:02:05] We would like to start off, though, by offering the service Thursday through Sundays with [00:02:15] the exception of the fact that we would like to offer extended hours during the time that [00:02:23] special events are being hosted at Sims Park. [00:02:30] When events aren't being offered at Sims Park, we would like to operate the tram vehicle [00:02:39] on Thursdays and Fridays from 5 o'clock p.m. to 12 o'clock a.m., on Saturdays from 12 o'clock p.m. [00:02:51] to 12 o'clock a.m., and on Sundays from 12 o'clock p.m. to 6 o'clock p.m. [00:03:02] Our thinking in that respect is that the majority of the businesses in the downtown do shut [00:03:10] down a little bit earlier on Sundays than they do on the other nights of the week. [00:03:19] In respect to the parking structure, the recommendation is to open the structure at 7.30 in the morning [00:03:29] and with the exception of Sundays when we would like to open it at 7.30 a.m. [00:03:36] No, there is no exception. We're going to keep it open at 7.30 a.m. every day [00:03:41] and keep it open till 12 o'clock a.m. every day. [00:03:46] And until such time as we need to deviate from that based on the fact that the hotel is put in [00:03:58] place, which should be a year from now, at which time the structure will be open 24 hours per day, [00:04:08] seven days per week. And we have also attached to your communication a proposed tram route [00:04:22] which was designed by, through the collective efforts of largely the Police Department and the [00:04:33] Department of Public Works, and they're showing stops as indicated to you on the attachment. [00:04:47] They're showing five stops. One at Main Street Landings. [00:04:56] The second stop is being shown at Nebraska Avenue and Grand Boulevard. [00:05:07] The third stop is being shown at Sims Park. [00:05:11] The fourth stop back at Main Street Landings, and then the final stop back at the parking structure. [00:05:21] The stops will be marked with signage. [00:05:32] As I understood it from a little tour that I took with the police chief, [00:05:38] the full route takes about 20 minutes. Was that right, 20 minutes, chief? [00:05:44] Just, you know, 20-25 minutes. Depends on how long the delay is for passengers. [00:05:49] Get on and off to make the route with all of the stops. Certainly, if we're accommodating [00:06:00] handicapped patrons, it's going to take a little bit longer than that. [00:06:04] To pull the ramp out, put the ramp back in place. So, that's just an estimation of how long it will take. [00:06:15] Robert has designed a map which will be put in place at each of the tram stops along with the brochure [00:06:26] which will advertise a schedule as well as the tram stops. [00:06:33] And we are prepared to respond to any questions that you might have. [00:06:39] Is there something, Mr. Robert, that I forgot to mention? [00:06:42] There is. I think Judy passed out this additional photo of what we're proposing. [00:06:48] Each one of the location signs to look like. And I believe Tom and his and some other staff are working on the brochure and the brochure will go underneath the map and that's what the people will be able to pull out and it'll have all the information. [00:06:56] And, of course, we have taken into account that we might be changing those hours and that's what we're going to be doing. [00:07:02] And, of course, we have taken into account that we might be changing those hours as we move along so that we'll be able to order different plates to go down at the bottom of that sign that you see that would reflect the additional hours when they're in progress or if, for some reason, we're not able to do that. [00:07:32] When we're out of service, then someone wouldn't be standing there. We'd already have that sign up that said out of service. [00:07:42] In that case, George, you wanted to make a comment if you want to come on up? [00:07:52] Thank you. George Romagnoli, 6235 Florida Avenue. And I apologize to the city manager. [00:07:57] I probably should have called you with these questions. And this is a question of ignorance first. If someone is in the parking garage at 1 a.m., can they get out of the garage? [00:08:07] Yeah. We will have a sign posted on the garage that they can call the police department if their car is locked in and they didn't notice the sign said closed at 12. [00:08:17] So the police will have to come every time? Or can they remotely open the gate to let the people out? [00:08:23] They will have to return to the garage to open it up. [00:08:28] I just wonder because our downtown bops to 1 or 2 in the morning usually. Is there a reason why 12 o'clock was chosen as the time for the garage to close? [00:08:37] Well, there were several reasons that 12 o'clock was selected. But it largely related to operational expenses because we plan to staff the garage during its hours of operation. [00:08:53] Okay. But the parking is free though, right? [00:08:56] Parking is free. [00:08:57] So it's more of an administrative review and making sure nothing wacky happens at the garage. [00:09:04] And the other question is the route that goes. It seems like there's a jog into the parking lot of Main Street landings. I didn't quite understand that little jog inside the actual development when we could just maybe stop at Acorn and River Road. [00:09:19] It just seems like an unnecessary loop into the Main Street. [00:09:24] Yes. And we considered that to park just as you're saying at Acorn. But we're also potentially dealing with the handicapped and we didn't want to have more than one location and then have people have to cross over River Road when we were going to drop those first passengers if they wanted to be off there right in that parking area. [00:09:47] It would be safe. We can drop the ramp down. We're not blocking traffic. We explored every possible spot where we could park that thing. When that ramp is down, it takes up some room. [00:09:58] You have the other potential because you do have restaurants on the other side of Main Street. You do have some dining facilities also on the north side like an ice cream shop and some other stuff. So they're going to have to cross the road too. Do we think we're going to have more traffic from Main Street landings that require that? [00:10:18] It's not just about Main Street landings. It's to be in a safe spot. We don't want to block Acorn too because other traffic is going to be using Acorn. There's not a spot there for us to park without making one. [00:10:32] I think what George is suggesting is that there is a need additionally to have a stop on the west side of River Road. Is that what you're suggesting? [00:10:46] I am, yes. Just to consider that. Of course, as this goes on, it's evolving. I understand that. Again, my apologies for not calling you ahead of time with these questions. I knew we were meeting tonight about this so I wanted to ask. Thank you. [00:11:02] Thank you, George. Anybody else? [00:11:04] We'll open it up for general discussion among the council then. I had actually had the same question about the north side of River for two reasons. [00:11:16] One, because of the businesses that are, much to my amazement, filling that place up, which historically they haven't been there. On the westbound leg, it would be easy enough to pop into that parking lot and load or unload as necessary. [00:11:33] Coming into Kaiser, I use SunTrust. When I leave my office, I go up Main Street and I turn into the Main Street entrance for Kaiser University to get to SunTrust. [00:11:53] I literally never have a problem getting across there. There's very little traffic coming at you unless the turn arrow is in activity. Other than that, it's reasonably quiet. [00:12:08] To me, it would seem to be safe if they came out of that parking lot where Pasco Camera and all that is at, went up to that, took a left into the Kaiser parking lot, and then hook a left onto Acorn Street. [00:12:29] They'd be right where Robert's got the sign for the parking structure. It would make it easier for people on the north side. It wouldn't appreciably change the route. [00:12:44] My concern would be the potential for traffic coming in off 19. It's just not been an issue any of the times that I've gone through there. [00:12:59] I really like the idea of the loop on the east end, and I think there should be a loop on the west end, which is backing up his idea. It adds all those businesses. [00:13:12] From past experience in my life, if you don't present the package in the beginning that includes everybody, then people will not use it. [00:13:24] Even if you change it down the road, notice if you change it, add that loop, that the people have already stopped even thinking about using that as part of the garage. [00:13:36] If I'm following what you're suggesting correctly, Mayor, is to be westbound on Main and make that left to go in the Kaiser entrance there. [00:13:50] Here's the issue with that, and I appreciate what you're saying. There are times of the day when that is not a big deal. [00:13:57] It's not that much traffic, but we've got two lanes merging right there, and a lot of the people that come into our city are not familiar with it. [00:14:05] They get around that corner coming off of 19, and now they're having to come together. [00:14:10] We have the advantage of the control of the traffic light at River, and that gives us the safety measure of being in traffic, controlled light, [00:14:20] and we're going to make our left turn, I'm saying coming back to the parking structure. [00:14:28] By going that way, we get off Main, and then it's pretty easy for us to come in off of River then up Acorn. [00:14:41] You're going to have to do a backup three-point turn with the trolley once you get it to Kaiser. [00:14:48] If you come in the way, it's drawn on the map. [00:14:51] Oh, we're going to have to do k-turns with that thing anyway. [00:14:57] It's going to be a... [00:15:00] It's going to be a challenge right there and you're going to have people backing up. [00:15:04] If we're allowing golf carts on that end of Main Street, I think we could put our own [00:15:10] vehicle at that end of Main Street. [00:15:12] We're assuming a lot of responsibility when we start driving passengers on that thing. [00:15:17] I'm saying what you're saying, but the speed limit's 25 on this whole route. [00:15:21] It's 25 down there. [00:15:26] You're ruling out the growth in this town, which is that way, and you've just ruled them out. [00:15:33] The other alternative would be to go up to the end of the shopping plaza where Pasco [00:15:43] Camera is, go into it, and then double back to River Road and go across there if you need [00:15:50] to have that light coverage. [00:15:52] I don't think you need it, but that would be an alternative and it would still cover those businesses. [00:15:58] Mr. Allman, what do you think? [00:16:00] I think you make some valid points. [00:16:02] I think that your last comment is probably the most sensible from a traffic standpoint. [00:16:06] Instead of turning left back to go back to the parking garage at that point, if you make [00:16:11] those passengers, you've been collecting them to take them to the parking garage. [00:16:15] The thing to put into this conversation is are they coming or going? [00:16:20] If somebody comes to the parking lot and they want to shop or go somewhere, you could follow [00:16:26] that route and lift them a place to be dropped off. [00:16:30] If they are across the street from the parking garage, they can determine to walk across, [00:16:39] but keeping the – so – and as well with making the circle, the only thing I would [00:16:46] suggest you could relook at is the public parking that is across from the dog park, [00:16:54] not all the way down to the corner where the businesses are. [00:16:57] But those parallel parking spaces I've mentioned before, I think the public works are very wide. [00:17:03] There were almost – it was a point when I said you could pull in with a golf cart [00:17:07] and mark them for golf carts or something because they're much wider than the standard [00:17:12] parallel parking spot. [00:17:14] That's between Acorn Street and the entrance to Main Street Landing. [00:17:19] So, in theory, you could unload, I think, there onto that sidewalk, which is going to give [00:17:25] handicap access to everything, if you wanted to avoid that circle, which was the first comment [00:17:31] that was made. [00:17:32] But if you're getting off out of the parking structure and you want to take the tour and you go up, [00:17:40] you have a stop there, right there at the corner for the Main Street Landing, wherever it is, [00:17:45] whether it's through there or on River Road. [00:17:48] If you turn right, go around, you've got another stop when you get to Grand Boulevard [00:17:53] for that south side of Main, a stop on the north side of Main at Bank. [00:17:58] If you went out, you could go straight up to those retail and turn. [00:18:06] I think Dr. Montemayor may be the owner of a small right-of-way through there, [00:18:10] kind of between Waller's office. [00:18:13] But there are a few cut-throughs, as you mentioned, where you could get back to Bridge Street [00:18:18] and circle around and then come back to the parking garage that way. [00:18:24] But in each of those cases, there's only one stop for those locations. [00:18:29] So from the parking garage to your stop might be short if you're going to Main Street Landing, [00:18:35] but from Main Street Landing back to the parking lot, you're going to take a little ride through town, [00:18:39] which I don't think anybody's going to mind. [00:18:42] But I think you have to be cognizant of the amount of time it takes. [00:18:49] And, you know, I would certainly entertain what is being suggested to get up to the Weisskopf Building. [00:19:00] There are some restaurants and some places, and if they're dropped off on the south side of Main, [00:19:09] they're going to have to cross at the crosswalk. [00:19:12] So if our idea is to place people where they don't have to cross the intersections, [00:19:17] I would agree with you that that northwest gateway area could use a stop. [00:19:26] If nothing else, by the chamber, you know. [00:19:29] You could even run around and loop through the city. [00:19:33] Ultimately, that might be the spot where you really want it, is right there where the boat ramp is. [00:19:39] Somebody can park and get off at the boat ramp. [00:19:43] Now if somebody wants to park at the garage to meet someone at the boat ramp, [00:19:48] they would have to come back to Main Street Landing and cross at the light. [00:19:53] That would be the first stop. [00:19:55] If they were at the parking garage, the first stop would be at Main Street Landing, [00:19:59] and they'd have to cross Main Street. [00:20:01] So they would have to go from the boat ramp to the parking garage back. [00:20:07] Yeah, I see what you're saying. [00:20:08] That's the end of the run, isn't it, really? [00:20:10] Yeah. [00:20:11] But it would get them there. [00:20:12] It could be in the, you know, maybe not John Stewart's, but next door, you know, in that plaza. [00:20:19] Matt, what do you think? [00:20:21] Yeah, similar to what everyone else is saying, I think we need to include that northwest on River Road, that plaza. [00:20:29] At least a stop somewhere where they're getting off, even if it's off River Road or wherever, [00:20:35] by John Stewart's place or somewhere around there. [00:20:40] I think that needs to be a stop. [00:20:43] And then also, I don't think we're going far enough up Main. [00:20:47] I think we're stopping at Grand. [00:20:48] I think we might even be looping around, you know, Railroad Square [00:20:52] and then coming back down Main, making a stop there somewhere. [00:20:59] You've got a four-way stop there. [00:21:00] Yeah. [00:21:01] The only thing we were looking at, and I understand that, [00:21:04] and our thought process was that we would expand as we figure this out, [00:21:09] but we only have five and a half hours of run time for each one. [00:21:14] So the further out that you're going. [00:21:16] So one of the things that we did consider, in addition to what the chief was saying, [00:21:20] was we kind of looked at it like we could get the people from the parking garage [00:21:25] and get them to an area, maybe not necessarily in front of each business, [00:21:30] but get them to each block, you know. [00:21:34] Then we will have more of an opportunity to expand once we have the second vehicle. [00:21:39] Maybe the answer is when we get the second one, that's going to cut that time down in between [00:21:45] and we can expand it then. [00:21:47] This is something maybe to start with and then expand it when we get the second one? [00:21:52] Exactly. [00:21:54] Mike, you got any thoughts? [00:21:59] A couple things, Mayor. [00:22:00] So I think, you know, it's a learning process, right? [00:22:07] And it seems like, you know, that we could, on the way back, stop there, you know, [00:22:15] we could hang a right into the parking lot there at the Latin restaurant [00:22:22] and make a stop and circle, come back over the road and go through the light across Main [00:22:31] and return to the parking garage that way. [00:22:36] We could avoid the loop around inside Main Street landings. [00:22:42] It would certainly save some time. [00:22:44] And I think we've got to keep in mind that we're focusing on the parking structure. [00:22:48] I think there will be a number of folks just wanting to ride back and forth across the bridge, maybe, [00:22:54] and they might have parked, you know, on a parking lot on the east side of the city [00:23:01] and wanting to go down to the west side and not be going to the parking garage. [00:23:05] So we've got to keep that in mind. [00:23:07] I think we set some stops up and just understanding, [00:23:11] and I think everybody understands, hey, we're learning on this. [00:23:14] You know, it's easy enough to keep tallies of how many people get off at which stops [00:23:18] and look at the data after 69 days and make some adjustments. [00:23:24] One thing that, Robert, I think you or Debbie might have said that we're going to post a schedule. [00:23:29] Now, I'm assuming you're not going to put a timed schedule at each stop when they're expecting it to be there, [00:23:34] but rather than, hey, approximate stop will be every 20 minutes or whatever that time frame is. [00:23:40] Are you going to try to adhere to a specific schedule? [00:23:43] That was the question I had. [00:23:44] No, we are not going to try to adhere to a specific schedule. [00:23:48] We're going to put approximately 20, 25 minutes once we can solidify our run time. [00:23:58] The other thing with the parking garage closing hours, and I mentioned this to Debbie, [00:24:03] but we probably need to be a little flexible in the closing so that it is some discrete period of time after the last trolley run [00:24:15] so that we don't have somebody show up on the trolley [00:24:18] and discover that their car is already locked away for the night. [00:24:22] That would not be cool. [00:24:24] One other thing about that, going along with that, [00:24:26] is this sign that you're proposing have notification if you're locked in to call the police department? [00:24:32] We've ordered a sign. [00:24:35] Okay. All right. [00:24:38] So let me jump back to the boat ramp again, [00:24:42] because I think we've got some sense of having these drop-offs at locations that give people a chance to walk to their destination [00:24:50] versus right to the door. [00:24:52] So I would, again, encourage you to look at that parking that's like four spaces long. [00:24:58] You could call it tram spaces and not even have parking. [00:25:02] There's hardly anybody ever parks there, and it could be a pretty visible stop for someone to catch. [00:25:11] But as you come back, if most of your time that you're predicting is going to be in the evening, [00:25:17] the boat ramp is not going to be busy during that time. [00:25:22] So you could probably find a way to turn around in the chamber, parking lot, boat ramp area, and stop. [00:25:31] We own the land. [00:25:33] We could create a nice visual stop that would allow folks to much more easily go down that side, [00:25:45] and you could make that quick turn. [00:25:47] I'm with getting this thing to be effective where people want to ride it, [00:25:53] and I think the longer it takes to get around, the better to just move you from one section of town. [00:25:59] I think it's a good point to say people are just going to want to get on it to move from one place to another, [00:26:05] not just the parking garage. [00:26:07] And without the time delays, if there's nobody waiting or someone, [00:26:12] you could move a little faster if somebody had to go through the parking garage to get dropped off, [00:26:18] and there's no one waiting. [00:26:20] I don't know if there's a way we can tell people at the parking garage when the next one's coming. [00:26:26] That's the only one anyone would want to know how long their wait is. [00:26:31] Everywhere else you could just wait for the thing, [00:26:34] but I've been to conventions where they have the trolley, like in Orlando, [00:26:40] and you don't know when the next one's going to come. [00:26:43] But if it's coming within 10 minutes or 15 minutes, I guess you could just say there'll be one every 10 minutes, [00:26:50] and then they can wait. [00:26:52] If they miss it by a minute or two, then off they go for 10 minutes. [00:26:58] I don't know. [00:27:00] I think we're going to be experimenting to start with, and we'll get a feel for it. [00:27:05] When we have the second trolley or tram, that's when I think we'll really know what we're capable of. [00:27:12] It does have us very concerned the length of time the batteries will work, [00:27:18] and we have to keep in mind, too, of which side the ramp is on the trolley because that projects out. [00:27:27] So what direction we're going in, depending on which parking. [00:27:30] Passenger side. [00:27:31] Yeah. [00:27:32] And we looked at those spots, Councilman, that you were talking about, [00:27:36] and frankly I thought the businesses wouldn't be willing to give up those spots for that parking. [00:27:45] I mean I just made that assumption, so I was dodging those thinking that we just weren't going to. [00:27:50] Parking is so valuable right there that we just didn't go in that direction, [00:27:55] but we're certainly open to all of that. [00:27:58] You're going to hear from the people on the west side if you're basically missing them except Main Street landings. [00:28:05] We hear what you're saying. [00:28:07] We really do. [00:28:08] I would definitely get it all the way down to Pasco Camera because that would cover the whole thing. [00:28:15] And with the exception of handicap, it's literally almost a get on, get off. [00:28:22] It would be pretty quick. [00:28:24] Let me follow up on that, though, because, I mean, getting the tram to Pasco Camera, [00:28:29] look at all the businesses, there's only four locations, [00:28:33] and so just about everywhere you're going to have to walk to get to where you're going. [00:28:39] So just getting them on the other side of Main Street would be a big benefit, [00:28:43] and the other side of the bridge, even if it was at the park, at the chamber. [00:28:48] I like the chamber, but my concern with the chamber are the idjits that drive on River Road. [00:28:59] Where do you live? [00:29:01] Yeah, right off. [00:29:02] I drive that road every day, multiple times, [00:29:06] and I can tell you either people that are turning right on to North River after they think about slowing down. [00:29:17] I hear you. [00:29:18] Or they're coming south on River, and if that light is green, let me tell you, it is pedal to the metal. [00:29:25] And if you're disembarking people at the chamber building, [00:29:31] they're going to have to come down to the crosswalk. [00:29:34] Otherwise, they're going to have their lives in their own hands, [00:29:37] and I don't know that they're going to walk to the crosswalk. [00:29:39] That's why I would rather get them into that other parking lot. [00:29:42] Makes sense. [00:29:43] Just from a safety standpoint, that scares me more than the people coming off US-19, [00:29:50] because we've got some serious issues with people that just absolutely fly in front of Master Tiger. [00:30:00] and the trophy shop. [00:30:04] I think, I mean I know we're kind of concentrating on getting people from the parking garage [00:30:09] downtown and we can monitor it, but I think you're also going to see it the opposite way [00:30:13] in some places. [00:30:14] I can see people down at the Orange Lake Apartments wanting to catch the tram and go to Denny [00:30:18] Kegg or something on that side of the bridge too, you know, and live in the city. [00:30:23] Absolutely. [00:30:25] If they're in the Meehan Lot or the Swanson Lot or even the one right over here, if they [00:30:31] can hop the tram and go down to any of that stuff either at Main Street Landing or on [00:30:38] the north side of Main Street there and only have to walk 100 yards or so to get to wherever [00:30:44] it is they're going, I think they're going to be thrilled to death and it will give them [00:30:48] the incentive to go explore. [00:30:52] We had the lady who's, I guess the bakery shop, Raina, has been after us multiple times [00:31:03] at these meetings to do something to get people over the bridge and I think this is a great [00:31:09] opportunity and, you know, if I've parked somewhere over here and I can jump, go to [00:31:21] dinner at one of the restaurants down here and then hop the tram and wind up over at [00:31:29] the Penguin for shaved ice, I mean, that's not a bad thing. [00:31:39] So, you know, I know this will require some type of advice, but it seems to me that one [00:31:57] of the things we might consider doing is, let's say we're on a return route and we come [00:32:02] to whatever stop we're going to stop at there at River and Main and let's suppose there's [00:32:10] no one needing to go to the parking garage and if we knew that there was no one in the [00:32:15] parking garage waiting, why didn't we start the loop again rather than go all the way [00:32:20] down to the parking garage, no one going there, no one there being picked up. [00:32:26] You have some kind of device, if you're in the parking garage, press a button, I'm waiting, [00:32:31] it maybe avoids that route that might help with the battery and help with the time. [00:32:37] Well, the only thing there, Mike, is you're educating the public and once you say, well, [00:32:41] we're going to turn here, then they're saying, well, I'm not parking at the garage because [00:32:44] they'll turn around and go back. [00:32:46] So you've got to set up a set pattern, whether, yeah, consistency, whether there's somebody [00:32:52] on the ride or not. [00:32:55] And our initial thought, too, was if we ended up being like that to where we got back to [00:32:59] the parking garage and we were ahead of time, then that would give us the opportunity to [00:33:04] plug it in. [00:33:05] Yep. [00:33:06] Yeah, because you got plugs there. [00:33:07] Yep. [00:33:08] Okay. [00:33:09] You all right with that, Mike? [00:33:10] Mike? [00:33:11] Yeah, I mean, okay, but I just hate for us to make that trip that long. [00:33:22] You know, until we get busy and the parking garage gets utilized more, because I think [00:33:27] people will first choose other lots and then the garage will be secondary. [00:33:32] I may be wrong, but I think that's initially going to be it. [00:33:35] I can just see us doing a lot of back and forth with an empty cart right there is all [00:33:41] I'm saying. [00:33:42] I don't think you're going to have an empty cart. [00:33:43] Well, in the beginning, yeah, it's going to be really, who knows? [00:33:47] And actually, I'd like to, just for our own reference, just kind of get an idea on how [00:33:53] many handicaps we're actually hauling. [00:33:56] Because we really know we've got to provide it, but we're also taking up quite a few spots [00:34:02] in the cart to put a handicapped vehicle in there, or handicapped set of wheels. [00:34:08] You never know. [00:34:09] I mean, you can't ever judge that, because you never know what's stopped. [00:34:13] No, but I'd like to get just an idea, just one and all. [00:34:18] One hundred? [00:34:19] One and five hundred? [00:34:20] Yeah. [00:34:21] So that kind of segues into the second cart and the discussion that was raised before [00:34:26] about whether we would need two handicapped things, and the fact that the attorney told [00:34:30] us if it was a fixed route, if I'm not mistaken, it had to have handicapped. [00:34:34] If it was not fixed, if I've got this right, if it's not a fixed route, we could run another [00:34:43] separate sort of deal where if we had a handicapped need, we could address it. [00:34:50] And I think that, you know, the whole concept of microtransit is just in its infancy with [00:34:57] this. [00:34:58] We have the first one. [00:34:59] The city of Stewart has seven of these things. [00:35:01] They do tours, they lease them out for parties, they help bring people around, they do historic [00:35:09] sort of trips and all kind of things. [00:35:13] So if we, you know, as we look at our personality with having microtransit and we grow it, I [00:35:19] would love to see us, you know, focus in on who needs, who is a senior that would benefit [00:35:26] by going to the rec center, and are we able to have a runner that can adapt to picking [00:35:35] up people that are not on a fixed route and bringing them places, maybe bringing them [00:35:40] to one of these stops, like creating something. [00:35:42] So this is way over my head, but I think that there are people that can help us as [00:35:48] we go, and I really want to make sure we focus on the whole microtransit concept and how [00:35:54] we can help to get less cars on the road and more, you know, more interest in that. [00:36:00] So for a beginning, I think it's a great start, lets people enjoy it, and I think there's [00:36:07] some good advice tonight, so I'm happy. [00:36:10] Ms. Manz, do you and Robert have enough feedback to... [00:36:14] I think we do.

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