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   2nd Review of the FY2022 Proposed Capital Improvement Program

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   Council conducted a second review of the FY2022 Proposed Capital Improvement Program. Staff presented changes made based on prior feedback, including combining Recreation/Aquatic Center projects, adjusting amounts for Meadows Park upgrades, Russ Park, James E. Grey Preserve Phase 2, Fire Station #2 construction, Fire Station #1 hardening (CDBG funded), Grand Boulevard Bridge replacement, and moving the Marine Parkway Pedestrian Bridge to the CRA fund. American Rescue Plan Act fund allocations will be brought back August 17 for formal approval before incorporation into the budget.

   • direction:Council directed staff to bring American Rescue Plan Act fund appropriation program for consideration at the August 17 meeting and incorporate approved items into budget documents. (none)
   • direction:Staff to correct typo on Grand Boulevard multi-use path showing $750,000 in FY24-25; should be $250,000 keeping total city contribution at $1 million. (none)

   📍Avery Road on the west side of 19📍Green Key Beach👤Councilman Altman👤Councilman Davis👤Debbie Manz👤Jack Mariano👤John Perdavis👤Mr. Rivera👤Mrs. Altman👤Ms. Feist#2020 Russ Park upgrades#2022 Fire Station #1 renovations (hardening)#2022 Grand Boulevard Bridge replacement / UT regrade#2022 Grand Boulevard multi-use path south#2022 James E. Grey Preserve Phase 2#American Rescue Plan Act funds#CDBG funding#CRA Fund#Capital Improvement Fund 301#Cody River (Cotee River)#FY2022 Capital Improvement Program#Fire Station #2 construction#HVAC control system upgrades#Marine Parkway Pedestrian Bridge#Meadows Park upgrades#Neighborhood Revitalization Program#Penny for Pasco#Pinellas Trail connection#Railroad Square Improvements Phase 1#Recreation and Aquatic Center Improvements 2021#Restore Act / BP oil spill Part 2 funds#Storm Water Utility Fund#Water and Sewer Construction Fund

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   [00:00:10] Here. [00:00:11] Good. We're all here. And Ms. Manz, the only thing on the agenda to speak of is the second review of our Capital Improvement Program. [00:00:22] That's correct, Mr. Mayor. We first presented to you a draft of the CIP program budget on July 13, 2021. [00:00:34] At that time, you provided input and we have made changes to reflect the suggestions that were provided to us at that time. [00:00:46] The purpose of the presentation this evening is to conduct a second review of the draft document. [00:00:54] And we are interested in additional input, if you have some at this time. [00:00:59] I do want to make a note that on August 29, we did conduct a work session at which time we did consider some potential ways to spend [00:01:17] or to appropriate, I should say, our American Rescue Funds. [00:01:23] And because we have not adopted a program for American Rescue Funds, none of the proposed projects, of course, [00:01:34] are included in the Capital Improvement Project budget at this time and will not be included until such time as you approve a formal program. [00:01:46] I thought that was July 29, not August 29. [00:01:49] That would be correct, Mr. Mayor. [00:01:52] Thank you for that. [00:01:54] I was in a bit of a time warp today. [00:01:57] Apparently, I am as well. [00:01:59] Fast forward. [00:02:04] And with that, Mr. Rivera and Ms. Feist and I are prepared to respond to questions. [00:02:12] Mr. Rivera will be presenting to you again the budget with the changes as you have proposed to us. [00:02:24] It appears to be notable by its absence on the table at the moment, which I suspect Ms. Feist just went to. [00:02:31] The documents? [00:02:33] We gave them to you in a packet. [00:02:37] In this packet? [00:02:39] If it has strikethroughs in red? [00:02:42] Yeah, this is the first one, I think. [00:02:45] If it doesn't have strikethroughs, then it's not the correct version. [00:02:49] And we can get them for you. [00:02:51] I think we got an electronic copy. [00:02:54] Okay, so we'll give you some hard copies. [00:02:57] And we have time to do that, so if you don't mind. [00:03:00] There wasn't that many. [00:03:03] I don't think there was many strikethroughs. [00:03:09] Okay. [00:03:16] I just thought there would be some... [00:03:18] There's some text changes. [00:03:20] I just thought there'd be like a new version or a new... [00:03:25] Okay. [00:03:27] Let me make sure. [00:03:29] Just the edits is fine. [00:03:31] Okay. [00:03:33] I'd like to go through them one by one, if that's alright with you. [00:03:39] I'm going to lunch. [00:03:41] I'll have supper, yes, and I will be joining him. [00:03:44] Whether or not you're done. [00:03:46] It's like the Rodney Dangerfield of the... [00:03:49] Are we on hold now? [00:03:51] For the moment, do we have... [00:03:53] Council? [00:03:55] Yeah, we're on live. [00:03:57] If Mrs. Altman is watching... [00:04:02] Call and tell Mr. Altman it's time for an emergency of some sort. [00:04:08] When the time comes, that'll be perfect. [00:04:11] Thank you. [00:04:16] The mic's on hold. [00:04:18] Even though we're sitting here. [00:04:25] So we have the League of Cities coming up, right? [00:04:32] Yeah. [00:04:34] That's good. [00:05:01] Thank you. [00:05:31] Thank you. [00:06:01] Thank you. [00:06:31] Thank you. [00:07:02] Update from the county commissioner's office. [00:07:06] And the... [00:07:08] Some of these projects have not been coming through or being done. [00:07:15] And the group has not met. [00:07:18] The county group that allocates and spends that money has not met for a while. [00:07:22] And they just lost their administrative manager. [00:07:27] So they have no employee. [00:07:30] But there has been a lot of interest in Green Key Beach and improving Green Key Beach. [00:07:35] And Commissioner Mariano, in fact, said that we were owed sand from the beach nourishment project [00:07:44] and has talked for some time about improving the Green Key Beach, [00:07:49] which, of course, beaches are... [00:07:53] Which, of course, beaches are a big element people look for. [00:07:58] But we had put in back in 2016 to do a living shoreline. [00:08:05] And the living shoreline project and inshore reefs, [00:08:11] which is like oyster shell, oyster breakwaters, whatever, [00:08:17] were, I was informed, planned for somewhere near the entrance of the Cody River, [00:08:24] but they had trouble locating a place for them. [00:08:27] So I'm trying to find the old application, [00:08:31] because we had a good score on it, [00:08:34] to do like a snorkel trail, living shoreline, [00:08:38] on sort of our side of the beach, Green Key, [00:08:41] because we own that northern half. [00:08:45] So I'm trying to get updated on where all of that planning is. [00:08:50] If somebody can find that information, that would be intriguing. [00:08:55] And on top of that, the Part 2 funds, [00:08:58] which are multi-jurisdictional or something that Jack Mariano suggested we might look into. [00:09:03] So I'm hoping to maybe get with Debbie and Recreation and see if we can't... [00:09:10] What funds are those? [00:09:13] It's called the Restore Act. [00:09:15] It's the BP oil spill money. [00:09:17] And it's laid out over many years. [00:09:19] They haven't been able to do some of the projects. [00:09:22] Thank you, Robert. [00:09:23] We had one in the mill that was graded pretty well. [00:09:26] Did you learn from Doreen how to do this? [00:09:28] It's going to take some digging, [00:09:29] but I think there's some chances for some cooperative funding [00:09:33] and some work out on Green Key. [00:09:35] Well that, yeah, keep us up to speed on that. [00:09:40] We now have the red line version. [00:09:42] Thank you. [00:10:07] We'll be starting with the general fund projects? [00:10:10] Right, we're going to start with the general fund. [00:10:11] It should be page 8. [00:10:19] And you'll notice there where we took and combined [00:10:23] the Recreation and Aquatic Center Restroom Locker Room project [00:10:28] and renamed it the Recreation and Aquatic Center Improvements, the 2021. [00:10:35] And then that just combined all of the other projects [00:10:39] that we were talking about. [00:10:41] The painting of the interior gym walls, [00:10:46] the gym divider, [00:10:51] the bleachers replacement. [00:10:53] That was moved over in the Recreation Department budget. [00:10:57] And then we ended up doing the pool. [00:11:00] You'll see that it's crossed out, [00:11:01] but we have put that back. [00:11:03] So what you'll notice is the pool resurfacing. [00:11:07] We'll just take and continue that [00:11:09] in the out years exactly like it is. [00:11:11] But what we'll end up doing is [00:11:13] once we finish the activity pool [00:11:15] then the next title will be [00:11:17] the Recreation and Aquatic Lap Pool Resurfacing [00:11:22] and so forth until we finish out those subsequent years. [00:11:27] And if you'll allow me, [00:11:28] the other element of the project [00:11:29] and probably the largest element of the project [00:11:33] is the locker room project [00:11:36] which includes the retiling [00:11:39] of both the male and the women's locker room. [00:11:46] And originally when we proposed this project [00:11:50] we broke it into components [00:11:53] and Councilman Altman in particular [00:11:57] objected to the use of Penny for Pasco funds [00:12:02] for the purpose and felt [00:12:05] that maybe it was more maintenance in nature. [00:12:09] From my perspective, [00:12:12] if you put all of the components together [00:12:16] it is a project [00:12:18] and I thought [00:12:22] might be more worthy of some additional consideration. [00:12:27] It really represents [00:12:30] all of the elements of the project [00:12:33] that didn't get tended to [00:12:37] during the renovation of the [00:12:40] Recreation and Aquatic Center Improvement Project [00:12:45] which was implemented just a few years ago. [00:12:52] I don't recall [00:12:54] the age of the building. [00:12:57] I'm sorry, I don't. [00:13:05] So the bathrooms are much older [00:13:07] than the most recent renovation? [00:13:09] Yes. [00:13:10] So this is a remodeling [00:13:13] of what it is. [00:13:16] 20 years or 30 years? [00:13:18] Since 2014. [00:13:21] Originally? [00:13:22] No. [00:13:23] No, because it was open before I got on board. [00:13:27] Yes, same here. [00:13:28] The Rec Center right now. [00:13:30] The construction. [00:13:32] The debt was of 2005 [00:13:34] so if that gives us an idea of when the construction was. [00:13:36] I was going to say, my name is not on the plaque [00:13:38] so I'm pretty sure it was before I came on. [00:13:44] 15 years and the bathroom tile falls apart. [00:13:50] We're just asking for some additional consideration [00:13:53] for that project. [00:14:12] So page 14 would be the storm water utility. [00:14:15] There were no changes to that? [00:14:18] No. [00:14:22] Robert, how's our storm water been? [00:14:26] How's the rain we've had this summer? [00:14:28] Okay? [00:14:29] We're doing okay, so far. [00:14:36] So the next fund is 301 Capital Improvement Fund [00:14:39] that's on page 19. [00:14:45] As you can see, the changes are in red [00:14:47] so we'll start with the first category [00:14:49] which is Parks and Recreation Facilities. [00:14:52] The Meadows Dog Park upgrades [00:14:54] we did remove the reference to dog [00:14:56] in that title [00:14:58] and then the amount. [00:15:00] for fiscal year 21-22, which changed to 400,000, whereas before... [00:15:07] I don't know, I've got some page problems here. [00:15:15] There are two different sets of numbers, look for the ones in the corner. [00:15:21] You might be on the right page there, or you were. [00:15:24] I had the same issue, Jocelyn. [00:15:25] Here's 13th, 19th is where you want to be. [00:15:28] 14th. [00:15:32] So it had been 500, right? [00:15:35] Yes, it was 500 on 301. [00:15:43] So we did lower that amount to 400,000, which was just a better estimate of what [00:15:49] we project the cost of that project to be. [00:15:52] Down below in red for the 2020 Russ Park upgrades, that amount went from 50... [00:15:59] I'm sorry. [00:16:01] From 25 to 30. [00:16:02] 25 to 30, go ahead. [00:16:04] And that was directly related to Councilman Davis's comment about wanting us to review [00:16:09] any of those types of projects and make sure that our lighting was sufficient enough. [00:16:13] That's the one on Avery Road on the west side of the 19th. [00:16:17] Yes, sir. [00:16:17] The next project with changes is the 2022 James E. [00:16:24] Grave Preserve, phase two. [00:16:26] Originally, this project was proposed to be completed in fiscal year 22-23. [00:16:34] We just moved it forward to the upcoming year, but the amounts stayed the same. [00:16:40] Just a curiosity, we're going to put $400,000 in the dog park, in the Meadows Park, [00:16:47] but we still need a half a million in the next two years? [00:16:55] Yes, we do need additional funding to support the establishment of some of the [00:17:04] additional elements that we have proposed. [00:17:10] We talked about implementing the improvements in phases, and we also talked [00:17:15] about the addition of a parking area to open up the entrance to the park, and the [00:17:25] additional funding is... [00:17:27] How long is it going to be closed for the first $400,000? [00:17:31] Closed? [00:17:32] It's going to close to... [00:17:35] Close to the public? [00:17:36] Yes. [00:17:37] To do this half a million dollar, $400,000... [00:17:40] I'm not expecting that at any point the park will be closed. [00:17:45] I'm thinking that the implementation may provide cause for certain portions of the [00:17:53] park to be closed, but not closed in its entirety. [00:18:00] We're talking about a million dollars. [00:18:01] It seems like things are shutting down and opening and shutting down or shutting [00:18:05] down for a while and then reopening. [00:18:09] I understand. [00:18:10] The phase two gray, that's off of... [00:18:13] Congress? [00:18:15] Yes. [00:18:15] All right, on the next page, we'll have some additional changes. [00:18:24] Fire station number two construction. [00:18:27] Originally, $2.4 million was proposed for this project in fiscal year 21-22. [00:18:35] Based on further assessment, we've increased that by up to... [00:18:40] We've increased it up to $2,750,000. [00:18:46] That amount is contingent on your approving the use of American Rescue Plan Act funds [00:18:55] to cover the additional cost of construction materials. [00:19:04] And I forgot that we left that in there. [00:19:09] The $350,000 difference? [00:19:10] That's the additional $350,000. [00:19:12] The project right below the HVAC control system upgrades, originally, there was [00:19:19] $15,000 proposed for this project. [00:19:23] We added an additional $70,000 in the next following year, in fiscal year 22-23. [00:19:30] That's the difference from the original proposed program. [00:19:37] Next is the 2022 fire station number one renovations. [00:19:41] You'll see that the amounts have increased from the first proposal, and that's [00:19:47] because we've incorporated some CDBG funding that we are expected to receive. [00:19:52] So the amount for engineering went from $50,000 to $85,000, and the construction [00:19:59] went from $250,000 to $884,500. [00:20:04] I'd like to note that this hardening project is funded through community [00:20:13] development block grant funds at about 80% to about 20%. [00:20:19] And I will provide you with some detail in your next note from me of the specifics [00:20:28] that are involved in the hardening project. [00:20:34] On the next page, page 21, for the 2022 Grand Boulevard Bridge [00:20:40] replacement, UT regrade project. [00:20:45] Originally, we had this project crossing over three fiscal years with $100,000 [00:20:50] proposed in 21-22, $60,000 in 22-23, and then $5,000 in 23-24. [00:20:58] But based on your feedback, we've moved that forward to all [00:21:02] happen in fiscal year 21-22. [00:21:06] Well, I just wanted to note too, the additional $65,000 is utility funding. [00:21:14] That's for the utility design portion of it. [00:21:17] So your numbers really didn't change at all. [00:21:19] They just moved up into one category. [00:21:22] The next project, 2022 Grand Boulevard multi-use path, south, there was, [00:21:31] let's see, actually, I don't see any changes in that one, I apologize. [00:21:36] What happened, let me go back to the Grand Boulevard Bridge replacement. [00:21:40] In 24-25, basically, we've accumulated some of that utility [00:21:48] Basically, we've accumulated some of that, what we were going to use as [00:21:53] reserves to fund the project in 24-25 at $750,000, whereas before we had it [00:22:00] spread out over four fiscal years. [00:22:03] And so the way that it's presented now covers the cost over a smaller [00:22:09] period of time or fewer fiscal years. [00:22:12] Well, we've increased the total amount by $500,000, though, right? [00:22:22] Original budget had that for $1 million, $250,000 for four years, and now we [00:22:28] have it in the three-year period starting in 2022-23, but the total [00:22:32] amount is $500,000 more. [00:22:36] I'm sorry, it's $1.5 million, the numbers don't add up, is what you're saying? [00:22:46] Well, it does now, I mean, it's very much like that. [00:22:51] Yeah, I see. [00:22:52] So the secondary pages didn't get updated, is that what happened? [00:22:57] The back page that explains it? [00:22:59] That may be an error, it may be an error in the presentation. [00:23:04] It should, from what I remember, it should remain at $1 million. [00:23:08] Yes. [00:23:09] Not $1.5 million? [00:23:10] Not $1.5 million, so I will correct you. [00:23:12] So it should be, in that fiscal year, 24-25 should be $250,000 then? [00:23:17] Correct. [00:23:18] I will make that correction. [00:23:20] Okay, so what am I missing here? [00:23:24] Originally it was $1 million, and now they've got $1.5 million. [00:23:27] I'm just comparing the date. [00:23:29] It says $750,000 should be $250,000. [00:23:32] Correct. [00:23:33] Typo. [00:23:34] When they add the cells together, it's added to $1.5 million. [00:23:38] So our contribution still remains at $1 million. [00:23:42] Correct. [00:23:43] That's the multi-use path. [00:23:45] That is correct. [00:23:46] The bridge path. [00:23:47] That is correct. [00:23:49] That's the multi-use path. [00:23:51] That is correct. [00:23:52] The bridge upgrade. [00:23:54] You know, it's the cost to raise the bridge. [00:23:56] Okay, but the multi-use path is in a similar state. [00:24:00] You said it's $1 million. [00:24:02] That's $250,000. [00:24:03] Oh, I got you. [00:24:04] I'm following you. [00:24:05] Thank you. [00:24:06] That's an error on my part, and I will correct that. [00:24:11] Moving forward, you'll see that the next change was related to the Marine Parkway Pedestrian Bridge. [00:24:17] We've removed it out of the capital improvement fund and put that into the CRA fund. [00:24:33] All right, so that will conclude the capital improvement fund. [00:24:36] We'll move on to the water. [00:24:40] A brief chat after each fund. [00:24:42] Sure. [00:24:43] Go for it. [00:24:45] So, yeah, I mean, I appreciate the fact that you all have made some adjustments based on our last meeting and discussion, [00:24:54] and I think the ultimate mix of the American Rescue Funds and the way in which those get into the budget, [00:25:11] and I'm curious, particularly if we start going after some grants and we go back to that, [00:25:17] is the capital improvement budgeted? [00:25:20] So is it our intention to have those American Rescue Fund dollars identified [00:25:27] and put into the budget in some fashion when we approve the budget, [00:25:32] or are you thinking that we will not? [00:25:35] Because, to me, we can always, and I remember hearing this from John Perdavis years ago, [00:25:41] we can always amend it later, but, again, some of the projects you identified also may qualify us for some other bond [00:25:50] and funding or other stuff, so it would be nice to see them in print at some point. [00:25:55] Yes, our plan is to bring to you for consideration a platform of programs and activities [00:26:07] and projects to appropriate the American Rescue Funds to at your August 17th meeting, [00:26:19] and then whatever you approve, we will incorporate into all budget documents. [00:26:25] If we're able for any reason to get grants, and we're hopeful that we're able to achieve that, [00:26:33] that would leave us with a balance of funds to program into next year's appropriation of funds, [00:26:44] of, I should say, the American Rescue Funds. [00:26:48] Or to enhance the projects. [00:26:49] Or, yes, correct. [00:26:54] Can I interject a question here? [00:26:58] Of course, we're making some changes here, and we concentrate a lot on the 21-22 budget years, right? [00:27:05] But on several of these projects, we project out for several years, [00:27:14] and the question I have is by putting those funds out there in those future years, 23, 24, 25, [00:27:26] those get reviewed year by year, right? [00:27:29] So we're not setting a target out there. [00:27:34] We're not necessarily approving these funds to be locked in in future years, right? [00:27:37] That's correct. [00:27:39] So just you're taking each maybe capital improvement project here, [00:27:47] and you're anticipating some type of future expense and when it might occur. [00:27:53] Not necessarily guaranteeing it does occur, right? [00:27:56] We do budget capital in accordance with a five-year plan, [00:28:02] and so we are estimating future expenditures, [00:28:07] but by charter, we can't obligate funds beyond a one-year period of time. [00:28:14] So in actuality, we are only adopting a one-year plan, [00:28:19] and so you are not at any point obligating for the additional fiscal years. [00:28:30] The Grand Boulevard Bridge is going to leave it at one year. [00:28:34] I'm just kidding. [00:28:36] Some of these projects are large projects that take multi-years to finish, and I appreciate that. [00:28:41] The situation, I'm not sure, we have $4 million allocated for, for example, [00:28:49] $4 million allocated for the pedestrian bridge construction in years 25-26, [00:28:57] and I'm saying, well, I'm not sure that's necessarily something we want to lock in at this point, right? [00:29:04] That's basically aspirational at this point. [00:29:10] Well, we're sticking sticks into the cage here. [00:29:14] One more on the charter, which requires that the capital improvement plan come with it [00:29:20] with a discussion of estimated maintenance costs. [00:29:24] When we go back and look at our city charter, I don't recall ever seeing that, [00:29:30] but it is nice to kind of know when we look at some of these new projects, [00:29:36] Dog Park, for example, or whatever, our charter does have a requirement [00:29:41] that there's some kind of a follow-up that's related to the operational costs of what we're taking on. [00:29:46] So if we build something, because it was brought up like the pedestrian bridge, for example, [00:29:52] what if we find out it costs $200,000 a year to maintain it and engineering and all of the other stuff? [00:30:00] way on that discussion. I know it got moved, but there's been some alternative [00:30:07] concepts. The real concept to focus on, I think, and my concept to focus on, [00:30:13] is getting that Pinellas Trail connection, getting the ability ultimately [00:30:19] for this bicycle trail to get across the highway. So I think that's a [00:30:23] goal hopefully we can all agree on, and actually are some of the plans [00:30:29] I got boxes of plans. I've always identified that to be the important [00:30:33] thing. So someone reminded me to not get my teeth so sunk into the [00:30:39] overpass, but make sure that we have that commitment to connect that Pinellas [00:30:44] Trail to Tarpon Springs. Somehow make a trail connection, whether that be an [00:30:47] overpass or not. Well, just to disclose what it is, there's a lot of [00:30:51] discussion from the county that we had recently that said, you go mid-block [00:30:58] and you create a crossway on the highway that matches with the signalization [00:31:04] issues to create a safe passage for golf carts and bicycles and everything [00:31:09] else. So they're starting to change their theory from a state standpoint [00:31:13] about these expensive overpasses, and that may be a solution. So just so [00:31:20] you all know, it's not the big giant structure. It's, to me, we've got [00:31:26] that beautiful bike path we've taken all the way to 19. It's figuring out [00:31:30] how to connect the folks on the other side. [00:31:34] I think that's the key. Yeah. And I love the connection. I just don't [00:31:38] like the $6 million price tag. Yeah. Well, that is breathtakingly expensive. [00:31:45] Okay. Okay. Fair enough. [00:31:50] Thank you. So if you move forward to the next fund, which is on [00:31:54] page 41 of your packet, you'll notice that it's the Water and Sewer [00:32:01] Construction Fund, and there were no changes to what was originally [00:32:05] proposed. So then we'll move on to the CRA fund, which is on [00:32:14] page 55. So the first change we'll note is the Neighborhood Revitalization [00:32:33] Program. We took this out of... A comment was made or feedback was given [00:32:37] to us that this was more of an operating expense, and so we removed [00:32:41] it from our capital program and moved it into operating for the CRA. [00:32:47] Next is Railroad Square Improvements, Phase 1. This project, [00:32:57] you'll see that it has been split over two fiscal years, [00:33:02] whereas originally... It was proposed all to be completed next fiscal year. [00:33:14] And the change is related to the source of funding, which would be [00:33:17] the American Rescue Plan and the fact that we found out that [00:33:22] it would be distributed to us over two years instead of all up [00:33:25] front as we originally planned. So we've phased this project out over two [00:33:30] years. And just to add to that, when we look at it, [00:33:34] even though it is spread across two years, we would do a project [00:33:38] like this, we would make sure that we started it midway through the [00:33:41] first year so that it would be one contractor, one continuous project, [00:33:47] but it just would be funded over two years. [00:33:53] Next is... Oh, I'm sorry. And I just wanna make a point [00:33:56] at this time [00:34:01] that it may be better [00:34:05] to identify a project in the American [00:34:12] Rescue Funds Project Plan to identify [00:34:17] downtown area improvements and include the Railroad Square Project as one [00:34:26] of the improvements, along with some of those that were identified in [00:34:31] the master plan and combine both the Railroad Square funding and the funding [00:34:39] that we plan to potentially appropriate for grants and loans to businesses [00:34:47] and using for shade structures on Main Street or additional plantings into [00:34:53] one source rather than bifurcating it into different sources. [00:35:00] It might be helpful to us if we did it that way instead. [00:35:10] It's a better message to the residents and it doesn't open up the [00:35:14] cause of criticisms, which we hear whenever a big project gets identified [00:35:19] specific to a particular block. So I think that will work just as [00:35:22] well and you could still use the money for the purpose you have. [00:35:30] The changes in the remaining projects affect what's being proposed in future [00:35:35] years, so not necessarily next fiscal year and what you would approve or [00:35:40] adopt. But the first project is phase two of the Railroad Square improvements [00:35:45] and you'll see that originally this project was all proposed to be [00:35:53] funded and completed in fiscal year 22-23. So we've just spread that [00:35:58] out over two fiscal years with the same concept that Robert just mentioned [00:36:04] that we would start at mid year and finish it early the following year, [00:36:08] so it's one consecutive, our fluid project and there's no gaps in between. [00:36:13] So... Instruction on that end with the parking lot that we're building now? [00:36:22] I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. [00:36:25] Are we addressing the bank street in that phase two of Railroad Square? [00:36:32] Are we incorporating what we're doing in that parking lot? [00:36:35] The Nebraska parking lot? The one across the street was social. [00:36:44] The parking lot project will be complete. Phase two of Railroad Square [00:36:51] will not be a continuation of the street improvements from Grand Boulevard [00:36:58] to Bank Street, that will be a future phase. Right, but I'm just [00:37:02] wondering if we're... So there's no like remodeling of that parking lot, [00:37:06] isn't there? No, there's not any remodeling of the Nebraska Avenue parking [00:37:11] lot. We'll start to do this project, that's what I'm asking. Right. [00:37:17] Are there... I don't wanna tear up something we just got done building. [00:37:20] That's my point. Right, yes. Thank you for clarifying that. [00:37:25] There was some discussion I thought we had regarding that project [00:37:29] to... Once we got it... Once you started to continue it all the way, [00:37:36] kind of make it a one project deal all the way to Bank Street... [00:37:42] And so [00:37:45] we were... Before, we were looking at this in fiscal year 21, 22 and [00:37:51] then the phase two, 22, 23. So I kinda get that, but I thought [00:37:57] it would all be included, but now we're all stretched out all the way [00:37:59] to 23, 24. And so when we talk... I like the idea about the [00:38:03] fluid project, but now we're talking a two year fluid project, six months, [00:38:08] second half, full year, second half, the next year. [00:38:14] And that just [00:38:18] seemed like a long time for that area, particularly if we're gonna [00:38:24] use one contractor, if it's gonna be some type of continuous, [00:38:29] we're using the same materials, design elements and so forth like that. [00:38:32] It seems like carry that project on for a period of... That's gonna [00:38:37] be 18 months or two years. Three years, you're gonna have a year work [00:38:41] and then you're gonna have a year gap and then a year work. [00:38:43] Well, you're gonna have half of one year, the full year and the half [00:38:48] of next year, but you're still... In the budget years, they gotta separate. [00:38:52] Now, I don't mean that means it starts... Maybe it's only a year [00:38:54] long project. You start in December, or excuse me, not December, but start [00:38:59] in September and end in November, I don't know. [00:39:05] It'd be 14 months as opposed to two years, I suppose, [00:39:08] if you wanna work into three budget years. [00:39:13] At this point, we don't have a construction estimate. I can tell you that [00:39:18] we will be just as efficient in the implementation for the improvements [00:39:24] in Railroad Square as we have been with the Nebraska Avenue parking lot [00:39:31] project, because we've got the same sensitivities to the business community [00:39:36] as we have with the Nebraska parking lot projects, and we don't want them [00:39:42] interrupted. We will work with the financing source so that we [00:39:50] can keep up with the demands of the contractor and have it facilitated [00:39:58] over the minimum time period and keep up with their pay apps. [00:40:06] So... I was just concerned... It's not gonna span over a year for [00:40:10] sure. Over two years, we'll work something out and start it at the [00:40:14] right time so that our funding source is in place. [00:40:19] Yeah, just by looking at the budget, it looks like, well, hey, [00:40:21] this is a two year project and that's... And it may be that [00:40:25] something else doesn't start and we can front... [00:40:29] Okay. Speaking of the Nebraska Avenue lot, I see we've got asphalt on [00:40:33] it. How close are we to having that construction? [00:40:36] They were supposed to... Go ahead, I'm sorry, Robert. They were supposed [00:40:39] to stripe the other day, but the rain called it off. [00:40:43] So as soon as it gets dry enough, they'll be out there striping and [00:40:46] we'll be opening it up. Looks like they've got some places. The last [00:40:49] time I went by, they still need lights put in or... [00:40:54] Would do. So have lights and... Sorry. [00:41:00] We have lights and landscaping left, but we should be able to open [00:41:05] without those elements in place. It looked like it was getting pretty close. [00:41:10] We should be closer to 90 days than the 120 that we had [00:41:14] contracted. Originally estimated. I think the theater will be receptive of [00:41:18] trying to do something to that side of the building when we're dealing [00:41:21] with that side of Rode Square. I'm certain that they will be. [00:41:30] Yeah. First, I just have to say, Charles, good luck. I saw on LinkedIn [00:41:35] that you've got a management position and [00:41:40] I wanna wish you well, because we're talking about the CRA and we're [00:41:45] talking about capital improvements. How, and this goes to you, I think, [00:41:49] Christopher, or Debbie, how do we [00:41:54] identify the anticipated receipt of the bank building, the area bank? Because [00:42:00] we're [00:42:02] under the impression that the county's gonna switch the ball field [00:42:08] and give us the parking lot that we've just fixed, as well as that [00:42:12] building. And that would be an interesting financial transaction, I think, [00:42:17] because the city owns the ball field. The CRA would probably like to have [00:42:24] the ability to manage that building, and it may take some analysis to [00:42:29] figure out, but [00:42:31] we may put that for sale, I mean, we may [00:42:36] turn it into something private. And I raise it because as we're talking [00:42:40] about the Railroad Square and the plan, we had the land that [00:42:46] was my father's law office across from the Hacienda with all those beautiful [00:42:49] trees. I can't tell you how many people have really expressed to me from [00:42:54] Walter Casson to folks, the nice element of those trees, the developer. [00:43:01] So obviously, we've got a bunch of... CRA is much more complicated, [00:43:06] because it's a private public sort of [00:43:10] partnership of sorts to rebuild the city. But the assets that we have [00:43:15] are our trading chips, I guess, right? The church we have on River Road, [00:43:19] the land that we might do, the infrastructure we might build. [00:43:25] Are you thinking maybe have the CRA buy the bank building from the [00:43:30] city? Yeah. That would actually make a fair amount of sense. I mean, [00:43:36] they could defer payment on it, but it would provide us another opportunity [00:43:39] to have some money go due back to the general fund at some point [00:43:44] as the CRA becomes... The wealthy brothers, I spoke with Chopper one time [00:43:51] ago, the one that's borrowing our Social Security money to make investments [00:43:55] and may end up having some money down the road. Realistically, the CRA is [00:43:58] probably the right place for that. We already have valuations on it. There [00:44:02] was some valuations done upon working out the deal with the county, [00:44:06] so we have an idea of what the values are. So it's something we might [00:44:09] can look at at a future time. Yeah, I think it's something to operationally [00:44:13] try to think through. It gives us another asset on the balance sheet over [00:44:20] there, and of course, if we owe the city, then we can get favorable [00:44:25] financing. Maybe. Maybe. I have had some discussion with the city attorney [00:44:31] and I too believe that it needs to be a CRA asset. [00:44:35] Okay. Does any indication of our anticipation of getting it, should it be [00:44:39] in the capital improvement plan or not at this point? I don't believe so. [00:44:44] We're waiting on survey information and... The deal hasn't been struck really [00:44:50] yet. Well, the... Agreement hasn't... I believe the terms of the deal have [00:44:54] been struck. It's just a matter of getting the survey information and then [00:44:59] going... [00:45:00] closing. I expect that to occur within the next 60 to 90 days. And I don't expect that [00:45:10] there will be any problems on either side. And the city will have a tenant in the building [00:45:17] for some time, likely 18 months, or it could be up to two years. [00:45:25] All right. So the rest of the changes relate to, it was just a reduction in what was originally [00:45:38] proposed simply to balance the costs and funding sources for that fiscal year. So street [00:45:48] enhancements were reduced by a small portion. Neighborhood improvement in fill housing was [00:45:56] reduced by 50,000. Property assemblage by 100,000. And then bicycle trail improvements [00:46:04] was reduced by 50,000. And that was simply just to balance the fund for that fiscal year. [00:46:12] On the balance question, one more. The loan that was taken out for the parking garage [00:46:18] was a larger loan, right? Because we had other projects and a portion was allocated to the [00:46:23] CRA and a portion was allocated to, was that the fire station? [00:46:28] Fire station and the library. [00:46:31] Yes, so I guess it would be silly to think that there was any extra money left over from the fire station or the library. [00:46:41] All right. Thank you for reminding me. Okay. [00:46:45] All right. So that concludes the CRA fund and the changes. The last fund we'll go over is the [00:46:54] street improvement fund, which is on page 62. And... [00:46:58] Can I add 57? [00:47:00] Sure. [00:47:01] There's a nice picture of the garage that includes the missing gingerbread. And I had forgotten there's some that's [00:47:08] missing on the stairwells as well that isn't there yet. [00:47:14] Mm-hmm. [00:47:16] Okay. [00:47:18] All right. Page 62. I am not seeing that any changes were made from what was originally proposed. [00:47:28] So that actually concludes our review. [00:47:34] We'll obviously take any questions, any remaining questions that you may have related to the capital improvement program. [00:47:48] You guys put a lot of work into this. [00:47:50] Thank you. [00:47:52] Thank you. [00:47:57] On that there notwithstanding, good job. [00:48:00] Good job. [00:48:13] Mike, the multi-year thing you'll get used to after a cycle or two with us, it takes a little bit to just get used to [00:48:26] the fact that we do have to plan on a multi-year basis, but... [00:48:32] I just hope we don't use multi-year construction schedules. [00:48:36] Yeah, we have to allocate our budget annually. And yeah, I'm with you on the multi-year stuff. [00:48:45] The swan salon that seemed to go on forever was part of the reason we had the incentives set up for the [00:48:54] Nebraska Avenue one. [00:48:56] And that seemed to work pretty well. Did you say they're going to finish early? [00:48:58] Yes, sir. [00:49:00] Wonderful. [00:49:02] Okay. [00:49:04] If you'd like, we can open communications to the regular meeting.

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