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   Review of FY2022 Anticipated Revenues & the Proposed Capital Improvement Program

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   Finance staff presented anticipated FY2021-2022 revenues, proposing a millage rate decrease from 8.75 to 8.5 mills while still increasing ad valorem revenue due to an 8.33% rise in property values. Staff also began presenting the proposed Capital Improvement Program across six funds, with Council discussing whether Penny for Pasco funds should be used for smaller maintenance projects versus high-profile capital projects, and exploring potential use of American Rescue Act funds and septic-to-sewer expansion opportunities.

   • direction:Council directed staff to explore using American Rescue Act funds rather than Penny for Pasco for smaller maintenance/rec center projects, and to revisit at the next capital budget review. (none)
   • direction:Council directed Public Utilities (Robert) to aggressively pursue state and federal funding opportunities for septic-to-sewer conversion and utility expansion in areas like Trouble Creek and east of Rowan. (none)

   📍Baker Avenue off behind Louisiana📍Trouble Creek area📍east side of Rowan🏢Orangewood Groves🏢Pasco County👤Brad👤Crystal Feast👤Debbie👤Mims👤Robert#American Rescue Act funds#CRA TIF#Capital Improvement Program FY2021-2025#FRS employer contribution rate increases#FY2021-2022 Budget#Fire pension fund#Local Option Gas Tax#Paving Assessment#Penny for Pasco#Police pension plan#Proposed millage rate 8.5 mills#Recreation and Aquatic Center restroom and locker room rehabilitation ($210,000)#Septic to sewer conversion state funding ($500 million)#Stormwater Utility Fund ($80/ERU)#Street Lighting Fund ($38.71/ERU)#Water and Sewer Construction Fund

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   [00:00:17] Next time on the agenda is the review of the 2022 anticipated revenues and proposed capital [00:00:22] improvement programs. [00:00:23] Take it away. [00:00:24] We will, Mr. Mayor. [00:00:26] And Mrs. Feast has a PowerPoint, which she'll be presenting to you now that we have some [00:00:33] anticipated revenues to share with you, and we'd like to begin to discuss with you a proposed [00:00:39] millage rate. [00:00:40] Thank you. [00:00:41] Good evening. [00:00:42] I know that a lot of what I'm going to go over will also be included in the capital [00:00:51] improvement program, but I wanted to kind of segregate it and focus just on the anticipated [00:00:57] revenues for fiscal year 2021-2022. [00:01:01] And I will cover the most significant funding sources for each fund that the city has. [00:01:12] Before I do that, I wanted to go over kind of a budget picture for the upcoming year, [00:01:17] go over some positives and challenges that we'll face as we prepare the budget for next [00:01:23] year. [00:01:24] The first item is we can expect an increase in property values. [00:01:29] Well, we have received an increase in property values at 8.33%, which will drive an increase [00:01:38] in property tax ad valorem for the city. [00:01:43] Also, our state revenues are projected to rebound from COVID-19. [00:01:49] If you remember last fiscal year, those numbers were down. [00:01:55] But as I review what was given to us by the state, it looks like those revenue sources [00:02:01] have bounced back. [00:02:02] And so it looks promising for next year and in future years, unless we have another pandemic. [00:02:07] That's what you said last fiscal year, you're talking about this fiscal year, right? [00:02:11] That is correct. [00:02:12] Yes, thank you. [00:02:14] Also, overall reduced pension costs. [00:02:18] Our police pension plan, the city contributes to this plan every year. [00:02:25] There's an annual required contribution that has gone down by 0.5%. [00:02:31] So last fiscal year, 21, it was 13%. [00:02:35] And so next year, our contribution rate will be 12.5. [00:02:39] And then fire, there was a excess of contributions over several years in the fire pension fund. [00:02:49] And so the city had opted to exhaust those reserves and use that as their required annual [00:02:58] contribution. [00:02:59] So that will roll into next year as well. [00:03:02] So a portion of what's required by the city will be covered by that prior year excess. [00:03:11] Some challenges that we will have, not necessarily challenges, but just some areas that we may [00:03:19] experience some increased costs include the FRS employer contribution rates. [00:03:24] Those increase from, they increased July 1st, 2021, actually. [00:03:31] And so in regular employees, the rate has increased by 1.53%. [00:03:36] For senior management, it's increased 3.41%. [00:03:39] And for those employees that are in drop, the increase is 2.38%. [00:03:45] We can also... [00:03:46] What percent of our 215 or whatever number is senior? [00:03:52] Those would be department heads and city manager. [00:03:59] We can expect a 14 to 16% increase in our general liability property and flood insurance, [00:04:06] although our city manager is still working and negotiating those rates for next year. [00:04:12] And we hope to get them lower. [00:04:14] And also, we can expect a 5% increase in our health insurance for next year. [00:04:23] Moving on to the general fund, we're going to cover some major revenue sources, starting [00:04:27] with property taxes. [00:04:31] This chart represents our millage rate over the years. [00:04:36] You can see that in 2013, the city had a millage rate of 9.5799, and that's the highest that [00:04:44] it's been in the city's history. [00:04:47] This for next fiscal year, 2021-2022, we're proposing a millage of 8.5 mills. [00:04:57] That's a decrease from last year's 8.75. [00:05:00] And with the increase in property values, lowering the mills will still provide us with [00:05:05] an increase in revenue from the previous year, and I'll show that to you on the next slide. [00:05:12] But you can see that the trend since 2013 is that we've gradually lowered the millage [00:05:20] rate over the years, and I know that City Council's wish is to continue to do that. [00:05:29] So as far as ad valorem taxes go, with the proposed millage of 8.5 mills, we can see [00:05:39] that the revenue from that will be around 5.8 million, which is still an increase from [00:05:45] last year. [00:05:47] So lowering the mill to that amount will not, you know, cause too much burden on the [00:05:55] general fund. [00:05:57] And also, over the years, you can see that there's been a gradual increase in this revenue [00:06:02] source, and that's because of the gradual increase in our property values throughout [00:06:07] the city. [00:06:11] The next revenue source for the general fund is state revenues. [00:06:14] Oh, gosh, that's a little hard to see. [00:06:22] In total, our state revenues include communication service tax, state revenue sharing, mobile [00:06:28] home licenses, alcoholic beverage licenses, half-cent sales tax, and rebate on municipal [00:06:34] vehicles. [00:06:35] So in total for next year, we estimate right over $2 million from these revenue sources. [00:06:44] Last year, it was at 1.7, which was a lot lower than, you know, what has been in history, [00:06:52] and that's because of COVID. [00:06:53] So this is a good example of, or a good reflection of how the economy is bouncing back and how [00:06:59] our state revenues are rebounding from the pandemic. [00:07:03] We can expect a good increase next year. [00:07:11] Our next fund that I want to go over is the stormwater utility fund, and the major revenue [00:07:16] source for that fund is our stormwater assessment. [00:07:20] This is our stormwater utility fee, which currently has a rate of $80 per ERU, and that [00:07:29] is a revenue source that is administered by Pasco County, so it's put on our residence [00:07:36] tax bill collected by the county and then distributed to the city. [00:07:41] So for next year, we're expecting $1,103,980 from this assessment, which is a slight increase [00:07:50] from the previous year. [00:07:56] Next is the street lighting fund, which also has an assessment as its major source of funding, [00:08:02] and so the annual rate, or the assessment rate for this street lighting is $38.71 per ERU. [00:08:13] And so with that, we expect total revenue of $417,000 compared to $414,000 last year, [00:08:22] so not much of an increase, but still a steady incline. [00:08:31] Next is our capital improvement fund, which houses the penny for Pasco revenue, and so [00:08:36] you can see that in this current fiscal year, fiscal year 21, the revenues were pretty significantly [00:08:46] reduced because of COVID. [00:08:49] It came in at $2.2 million, but for next fiscal year, it's on the incline, so we can expect [00:08:57] $2,478,720 to fund our capital improvement projects. [00:09:08] Next is our local option gas tax, which is housed in our street improvement fund. [00:09:15] So along with this tax, so this tax along with our paving assessment, which I'll go [00:09:21] over on the next slide, we use this to fund our transportation projects and street improvement [00:09:26] projects. [00:09:27] So next year, we expect an increase from last year, coming in at $1,189,014, and you can [00:09:36] see that this revenue source is on a steady incline as well. [00:09:41] And last year, although we were in a, this year, I got to get that straight. [00:09:47] So this fiscal year, the revenues increased, even though we were in a pandemic. [00:09:55] This one revenue source was not affected by COVID. [00:09:59] And that's because it's really the calculation or distribution of this revenue is based on [00:10:08] how much money the city spends on transportation projects. [00:10:12] So it's really driven by that versus the effects of the economy. [00:10:20] The next slide is our paving assessment. [00:10:24] And this is also one of those assessments that is included on our residence tax bill. [00:10:30] And on average, each home pays $85 per year to keep our streets paved. [00:10:38] So next year, we can expect $768,149, which is an increase from the previous years. [00:10:51] Next is the CRA, and the first revenue source we'll go over is the ad valorem that it receives [00:10:57] from Pasco County. [00:11:00] So this estimate is based on the county's operating millage, not the city's. [00:11:05] And so the county's millage, operating millage is 7.6076 mils, and which hasn't changed in [00:11:12] many years. [00:11:14] So we use that to calculate what the TIF will be. [00:11:17] So next year, we can expect $2,160,372. [00:11:23] And you can see that that is a nice increase from the previous year. [00:11:27] I'll be there. [00:11:29] Sure. [00:11:30] Have you factored in the reduction of the portions of the CRA that were taken out of the district? [00:11:39] So I get the value that I use is from the county. [00:11:46] So whatever they certify is what I use to do the calculation. [00:11:51] So I would assume that that is already factored into the certify value that we get from them. [00:11:58] I'm not certain. [00:11:59] The reason I ask is because on the general fund side, of course, we had sent 98% of all [00:12:06] of that gain that you mentioned earlier back to the CRA. [00:12:12] This year for the first time, some of those areas that we took out of the CRA district [00:12:18] are now all of that uncaptured revenue or that had been going is going to go back to [00:12:23] the general fund. [00:12:24] So is that an exercise that's still before us then? [00:12:27] Or is that, have you, do you understand? [00:12:30] I don't think that we've completed the process yet. [00:12:33] That will reduce the CRA and raise the GR? [00:12:38] Well, yeah, what we get, but if this is what the county gives, that's good, because they've [00:12:44] already taken it down and still given us an increment, that's got an increase, so. [00:12:50] Good point. [00:12:51] Thanks. [00:12:53] And so the next portion is the transfer from the CRA. [00:12:56] And so it uses the same property tax value, but at a different millage rate. [00:13:01] So the city's millage rate of 8.5, which is what we're proposing. [00:13:06] So we'll do the same exercise to make sure that both of these revenue sources are calculated [00:13:11] correctly. [00:13:17] Early is the water and sewer services that the city provides. [00:13:22] This revenue is expected to increase compared to last year, and the increase includes a [00:13:31] 4% increase in rates for residential and commercial water and sewer. [00:13:37] And it comes in at $16,981,753 compared to $16.4 of last year. [00:13:46] And that is all I have related to revenues today. [00:13:53] Yeah, just to follow up, if it's between this year and next year? [00:13:59] Yes. [00:14:00] I can provide that. [00:14:01] Do you want to see an increase? [00:14:02] Oh, for this one? [00:14:04] For the last one? [00:14:05] Well, all the funding sources he's asking. [00:14:11] I can get that. [00:14:12] I can provide that to the city manager to provide. [00:14:13] Just in total. [00:14:14] I haven't done that, but I can. [00:14:15] A question on the [00:14:16] That's all based on the county's tax level and our tax level at 8.05, right? [00:14:17] For the CRA? [00:14:18] Right. [00:14:19] So on this water and sewer slide right here, it's OK, a 4% increase in rates, but it's [00:14:48] a 4% increase in rates for residential and commercial. [00:14:52] Is that what's generating that 22 proposed revenue, or is it all? [00:15:00] those items, you also, you've taken into consideration [00:15:02] the reduction of bulk irrigation and future growth, right? [00:15:06] Correct, well, right, so the increase does include [00:15:10] the 4% increase in rates, but our bulk water [00:15:14] that we provide in sewer, that has declined over the years, [00:15:18] and so we can expect that to either stay the same [00:15:21] or decline some, so that would, you know, [00:15:24] the net effect of that would, you won't see a full 4% [00:15:28] increase from last year because of that. [00:15:30] And the third bullet is just a comment that, you know, [00:15:34] the city has pretty, is pretty at capacity [00:15:38] with the service that it provides, [00:15:40] so any future growth would have to happen [00:15:43] by expanding our services, purchasing, [00:15:45] or acquiring other smaller utility services [00:15:48] to build on that and to grow. [00:15:51] That future growth there is, you're just listening [00:15:53] as potential growth sources, not necessarily planned. [00:15:56] Exactly, it leaves it up for discussion. [00:15:59] Is that 4% fiscal year or January type thing? [00:16:04] Fiscal year. [00:16:09] In a proportion. [00:16:10] Oh, all I meant was, so if 4%, [00:16:14] the increase from last year, the 16.4 compared to the 16.9, [00:16:20] isn't exactly 4% because you have to factor in, [00:16:23] you know, not every, not all of the revenue items [00:16:28] in the water and sewer gets that 4% increase, [00:16:30] only the water and sewer rates [00:16:31] for commercial and residential. [00:16:35] There's a whole lot to talk about in the utilities [00:16:37] that's the same size business as the rest of the city [00:16:39] just about, but I, you know, you said, [00:16:44] the purchase of small utilities, which we've done [00:16:47] over the years, or expanding into our service area [00:16:53] that we already have, which is something [00:16:54] I've been advocating for that Trouble Creek area, [00:16:57] particularly in the sewer, to which I'm hopeful [00:16:59] that during the discussion of the budget [00:17:01] we'll get some idea of whether we can. [00:17:05] And it really opens us up to this $500 million [00:17:09] that the state is putting out this year [00:17:10] in additional money for septic to sewer conversion. [00:17:14] So if we have to buy a, or the ones we bought, [00:17:20] the water, Robert, like the ones we bought, [00:17:23] like Orangewood, Groves, and those, [00:17:25] where we've just bought the water, [00:17:27] so we have the right to build the sewer in there. [00:17:31] But generally, we've had to pay for the sewer building [00:17:35] while the county always gets these CDDs to go in there [00:17:38] and they bond out the stuff and they build it all [00:17:40] and hand it over to them with no charge. [00:17:42] So it really puts a difficulty on our profitability [00:17:48] if we have to pay for stuff that other utilities don't. [00:17:54] So I think it's critical that we go after [00:17:56] as much of the state money as we can, [00:17:59] and particularly that one area that wants to annex in, [00:18:02] in Trouble Creek. [00:18:03] I'm really interested to see how we can get sewer [00:18:07] out to that. [00:18:08] Yeah, and that, there's a system out [00:18:12] on the east side of Rowan that falls in the same category. [00:18:15] And the folks I know that live out there [00:18:17] would all but kill to get onto our sewer system [00:18:21] and get rid of their septics. [00:18:23] So this may be an opportunity if we can come up [00:18:25] with the recovery funding to do it. [00:18:28] I remember we also did a study of the water [00:18:31] going into the river and the Baker Avenue there [00:18:34] off behind Louisiana, and we couldn't prove [00:18:38] that it was an environmental problem, [00:18:41] but it's not a necessity to get money [00:18:44] to convert from sewer, from septic to sewer. [00:18:48] And so that's one of the reasons I've advocated [00:18:52] to really make sure that our public utilities [00:18:55] are as aggressive, because the money is flowing now [00:18:58] like it's never flowed, and it may not be flowing again, [00:19:01] you know, because that American Rescue money [00:19:04] is also can be used for some of that. [00:19:06] And the state's money is out there waiting for us [00:19:09] to ask for, to use it, and it can help us to grow. [00:19:13] Mr. Mims, I would definitely charge Robert and his crew [00:19:15] to look at any of those that may be opportunities for us. [00:19:24] I have a few questions. [00:19:29] I'm looking on the revenue side. [00:19:32] And it goes back to the American Rescue Act as well, [00:19:34] which is the revenues that we didn't get [00:19:40] because of the COVID, we're getting a check [00:19:45] sending this to us that we can use part of that check [00:19:49] to bring, to get that money that we didn't spend. [00:19:53] And so that's going to be a discussion in the future, [00:19:57] which is not in this, correct? [00:19:59] That's correct. [00:20:00] So from the opportunity to look at areas [00:20:07] where we can make smart investments, [00:20:09] I think that's a whole nother discussion, but it. [00:20:22] Honey, you mentioned for planning for Pasco. [00:20:25] I learned a week or two ago that, [00:20:28] and I think I mentioned it to you all during communication, [00:20:30] that there's going to be a whole nother project [00:20:33] coming forward to convince the people that, [00:20:37] the residents of the county to vote for that, [00:20:40] to continue it past 2024 or whenever it ends. [00:20:44] And so. [00:20:51] Hard to believe it's coming up again so fast. [00:20:54] Seems like yesterday we did the last one. [00:20:56] Okay. [00:21:06] All right, with your permission then, [00:21:08] we will present the proposed capital improvement program [00:21:13] for the 2020, 2021 through 2024, 2025 fiscal years [00:21:18] over six funding category, I'm sorry, [00:21:30] budget categories, the general fund, [00:21:34] the stormwater utility fund, [00:21:36] capital improvement projects, [00:21:39] the water and sewer construction fund, [00:21:41] the CRA and the street improvement fund. [00:21:46] Crystal has already talked to you [00:21:49] about some of our revenues that we use [00:21:52] to support those areas. [00:21:55] We also rely on grant funds when we can [00:22:00] to implement projects, but Robert will introduce [00:22:04] the projects and if you have questions [00:22:06] about the funding sources, then we'll respond to those [00:22:10] as well as the project questions that you may have. [00:22:12] All right, so I think what I'll do is, [00:22:15] what I've done typically is go ahead [00:22:17] and call out the projects that we are proposing [00:22:21] to start next year and then once I finish that division, [00:22:26] then open it up for questions before we move on [00:22:29] to the next one and we'll do it that way [00:22:32] if you all think that's the way to do it. [00:22:34] So the first fund starts on page eight of the workbook. [00:22:38] Right, and so this is the general fund, 001. [00:22:43] And so the projects that we have listed here, [00:22:45] first one is the recreation and aquatic center [00:22:48] restroom and locker room. [00:22:49] It's basically a rehabilitation project [00:22:52] that will go in and gut the two rooms [00:22:57] and go ahead and replace any of the areas [00:23:00] that need to be. [00:23:02] We've got a total of 210,000 budgeted for that. [00:23:07] That's penny money, all of these projects are penny money. [00:23:10] I can stop you now and tell you I'm opposed [00:23:12] to using penny money for any of these maintenance projects. [00:23:17] We're about to go to the public and tell them [00:23:18] that we're gonna do new things and so I think [00:23:22] that this is an opportunity for us [00:23:24] to use American Rescue money to find out [00:23:26] where we got shorted with revenue last year [00:23:28] to do maintenance, but if we don't get penny for PASCO, [00:23:32] what are we gonna do with our normal maintenance [00:23:34] and our operations? [00:23:36] So I'd like to see penny for PASCO go [00:23:40] for our high profile projects that people can get behind, [00:23:43] but that's... [00:23:48] Yeah. [00:23:49] I don't need to say that again, [00:23:50] but because they're all identified from that, but. [00:23:56] I just would like to respond at least in small part [00:24:00] by suggesting that the projects that we've identified [00:24:04] at least fall into our definition of eligible projects [00:24:12] as we've approved them in the past. [00:24:18] I understand the point that you're trying to make [00:24:20] that you want something that's more closely related [00:24:23] to larger capital projects, [00:24:28] but I would like to suggest, though, [00:24:33] that use of the American Rescue funds [00:24:37] might not be the solution for these type of expenditures [00:24:40] because they might not be eligible expenditures [00:24:44] under that source specifically. [00:24:46] So if you're suggesting that we don't use penny, [00:24:50] then we'll have to find another source. [00:24:53] All of these are pretty much rec center projects [00:24:56] and from what I looked at in the comprehensive [00:24:59] financial report showed that the rec center was cut [00:25:03] from its ability to expend its money [00:25:06] by a couple hundred thousand dollars. [00:25:07] So to the overall definition of the American Rescue Act, [00:25:13] that it's very constricted as what it can use, [00:25:15] but to the part that says where you were shorted money [00:25:20] and you didn't get the revenue, [00:25:23] you have all the flexibility in the world, I think, [00:25:25] to spend it within those budgets. [00:25:28] So I appreciate your caution, [00:25:31] but I would like to get clarification [00:25:33] because I believe we could use them. [00:25:36] And my real point is, what are we going to do [00:25:39] if the Penny for PASCO fails [00:25:41] and we have gotten so used to using them [00:25:46] to do what we always had to use out of the general fund, [00:25:49] to put a little money out of our regular revenue streams [00:25:52] for capital improvements? [00:25:54] Painting something again or replacing tile is needed [00:26:01] and I'm not opposed to it. [00:26:03] I'm just thinking that we are going to be up for scrutiny [00:26:07] and everyone is going to be watching how we use money [00:26:10] and all we need is a $20,000 repainting a job [00:26:13] to say they're doing what the lottery did. [00:26:15] They're just taking things they used to pay somewhere else. [00:26:21] It's sort of like, to me, we're in this yellow light [00:26:23] and we have to go to another set. [00:26:25] I'm not saying we did anything wrong, Debbie. [00:26:28] I'm just trying to say, if we can, [00:26:30] I would love to take these smaller projects [00:26:32] and not get them mixed in. [00:26:34] Because it just takes one little example [00:26:36] for somebody to run with it. [00:26:42] We're going to pick and choose from different funds. [00:26:45] Can you just remind us, you said it's Penny for PASCO, [00:26:49] how much money you get from your film? [00:26:51] I don't remember how much was in Penny for PASCO. [00:26:55] Sure. [00:26:56] If we're saying $210,000, is that? [00:27:00] $2 million was the number you said. [00:27:01] It was over $2 million. [00:27:02] So it's 10% compared to the figure. [00:27:06] Yes. [00:27:07] I would definitely take a look at the ARA stuff if that's... [00:27:14] Well, this is the first time that we're going to look [00:27:16] at our capital budget. [00:27:17] We're going to look at it again. [00:27:18] So, I'm not pushing back. [00:27:22] This is a workshop. [00:27:24] Right. [00:27:25] It's worth exploring anyway. [00:27:26] I would agree. [00:27:33] Some of these are more than just routine maintenance. [00:27:37] There is an argument to be made [00:27:38] for using Penny for PASCO if it's possible. [00:27:48] So the... [00:27:49] We've got it. [00:27:50] Go ahead, Brad. [00:27:51] So the next project that we have [00:27:53] is the Senior Center AC unit replacement. [00:27:57] The existing unit is a 2003 seven-ton unit. [00:28:01] We've had high maintenance on it. [00:28:04] And so that's budgeted at $20,000. [00:28:11] And the following project is painting [00:28:13] of the interior gym walls. [00:28:14] This is repairing areas that need to be repaired [00:28:18] and then going ahead and priming [00:28:20] and repainting the interior gym area. [00:28:24] And so that's $20,000 that we have budgeted for that. [00:28:28] And I just would say that the dollar amounts [00:28:30] that we have in here, [00:28:31] we have gone out and made contact with vendors [00:28:34] and have gotten budget numbers, proposals. [00:28:39] And so the following project that we have [00:28:41] is a gym divider wall replacement. [00:28:44] The current divider is the original one [00:28:47] that came with the building. [00:28:49] It is heavy, it's a beast. [00:28:51] It takes several recreation people to close and open it. [00:28:56] Maintenance costs on it are high [00:28:58] just about every time they touch it. [00:29:00] We're calling the vendor out. [00:29:01] It's one of those specialty items [00:29:02] that in-house maintenance guys working on it, [00:29:06] just it doesn't work very well. [00:29:09] So we're proposing to replace that [00:29:11] with a remote control system, [00:29:14] a curtain that comes down and up [00:29:16] and only takes one recreation employee [00:29:19] to go ahead and do that operation. [00:29:23] And we've got 30,000 budgeted for that. [00:29:26] And of course that's the removal of the other one [00:29:28] and to take and do any of the repairs that need to [00:29:31] before we install the other one. [00:29:35] We have 50,000 that's budgeted for the pool resurfacing. [00:29:41] Recreation staff has recommended [00:29:43] that we start with the activity pool. [00:29:46] They have a recommendation of resurfacing those pools [00:29:50] eight to 12 years. [00:29:53] We're at 14 years now and a couple of the different pools, [00:29:58] it's very noticeable. [00:30:00] We've got 50,000 for the first year and then you can see the next three years [00:30:04] outgoing years we have money budgeted and so hopefully by 24-25 we'll have all [00:30:09] the pool areas completed and that's pretty much it for this this general fund [00:30:19] division that we're proposing to do this coming year just as a refresher maybe [00:30:27] even just for those that are new so the first there's a summary page of each of [00:30:33] the projects and then there's detail of those projects that are proposed for the [00:30:40] next fiscal year so you have a summary page and then you'll have a description [00:30:45] of the upcoming projects being proposed [00:31:01] so the description pages after page eight are just what Robert just went [00:31:09] those are the lined items right correct so the next fund is is on page 14 1.1 [00:31:27] million is what we can expect [00:31:30] and so as Crystal had mentioned the stormwater utility is an assessment to [00:31:40] the residents and the majority of the funds collected go to operating and [00:31:47] maintenance and our capital projects are typically done with cooperative funding [00:31:53] or any type of funding that we can get through state or federal government and [00:31:59] so our first line that we have is our miscellaneous flood control water [00:32:05] quality projects those are basically reactive projects that we have during [00:32:10] the summer when we have these storms come in if we have to do some grading of [00:32:14] we have a couple canals in the city one behind the industrial park some of the [00:32:21] retention ponds maybe if we have a collapse in the bank and those types of [00:32:26] things that or one of the outfall pipes or something that has a failure we'll go [00:32:32] ahead and have this money budgeted and then of course anything we do out of [00:32:37] here we have to bring in front of you to ask for approval to utilize it and [00:32:42] that's typically a hundred thousand a year and so then the main project that [00:32:48] we have in in this utility is the Beach Street stormwater and we've talked about [00:32:54] that before that is the area of Beach Street and High Street where we have [00:33:00] historical flooding they've their homes apartments those types of things and so [00:33:07] this was included in our 2013 stormwater master plan is one of the projects that [00:33:14] needed to be done it includes a water quality as well as flood control element [00:33:20] we have 500,000 we're planning on starting the project this coming year [00:33:27] and then overlap it into the following year so we're we're at for the total [00:33:32] cost of the project we're we're estimating at a million dollars 500 next [00:33:37] year and then 500 the following year we do have 342,000 I believe it is that [00:33:44] will come out of swift mud cooperative funding that will go towards this [00:33:48] project now that's total that project yes it's been on the books for a long [00:34:00] time yes sir there is so much [00:34:06] ranging in that neck of the woods over there I know the school board wants to [00:34:11] tell us about the big money they want to invest in the schools and this is [00:34:18] basically helps Madison Street does it not to help any of Madison it doesn't [00:34:23] help any of Madison this is what comes off of Madison and drains down into the [00:34:28] fishbowl in all of the development that's been done in that area where I've [00:34:32] been talking about the historical flooding they've built that out now so [00:34:36] if I know that it's been on the books a long time but the design included that [00:34:42] build out the school build out oh I'm sorry not the school build out the [00:34:47] residential area there at my point is the school is preparing to go full bore [00:34:52] on that and of course we've also got the hospital property that hope something [00:34:57] might happen to but and forgive me but my inundation with all the resiliency [00:35:04] stuff and and again the funding of the five hundred million dollars that's out [00:35:09] there that's for innovative stormwater would cause me to ask before you go up [00:35:16] to bid and I don't know is that fully designed already or is yeah so and the [00:35:21] pipe comes down Beach Street and goes down Beach Street and heads out and goes [00:35:26] down to a cross golf drive over at the outfall pipe over there this is north [00:35:31] south from school road up to right because I think there's some innovative [00:35:39] stuff that we might want to do so I would love to take a shot at taking a [00:35:44] look at modifications and trying to determine what the school is going to [00:35:49] have to do we talked about it a long time ago but the Schwetman school you [00:35:54] know is there and it it could become a city asset you know and it's only a half [00:36:01] a block away from that outfall anyway I had some thoughts I would like to share [00:36:08] I don't know before you actually go out to bid that would be to coordinate with [00:36:13] the stormwater planning of the schools they said they're going to put 40 [00:36:18] million dollars into a new golf high school and then build another magnet [00:36:22] school that is affecting it but they'd be required to keep their retention on [00:36:30] site correct but I'm all for some of these big retention slash recreational [00:36:37] use techniques that are being supported by the state with big money so about the [00:36:46] bid on that but we're gonna go we were gonna go out to bid as soon as we could [00:36:50] once we get past October there is a deadline on the grant I can find out [00:36:55] that information and have Debbie supply it to you and then we can look at it [00:37:08] can you help me to understand the 606 is remaining to fund capital projects from [00:37:17] the million five that we get that we have to work with sure so on page 15 the [00:37:24] next page provides you a summary of the funding for the stormwater utility fund [00:37:30] so you'll see in fiscal year 21 22 there's the 1.1 million that we will [00:37:35] receive from the stormwater utility front fund along with some interest [00:37:40] revenue and prior year reserves of 400,000 that gives us 1.5 million [00:37:46] dollars in funding for next year before we start any of the capital projects we [00:37:53] have to first back out our personnel services so that's payroll for our [00:38:00] employees in this fund operating expenses of 290,000 and then capital [00:38:06] purchase of a hundred and eighty thousand and there's also a transfer out [00:38:10] of the stormwater utility fund of a hundred and thirty thousand so we've [00:38:15] already spent nine hundred and sixteen thousand of the 1.5 that leaves us the [00:38:20] six hundred and six thousand to fund the Beach Street project and the miscellaneous [00:38:26] flood control that is the transfer to the general fund for like general [00:38:35] administrative services that I'm sorry that is I don't have that in front of me [00:38:45] that is equipment things that we're proposing we'll go over it during our [00:38:53] future work sessions but when Robert goes over the his his departments but [00:38:58] it's for capital equipment and things like that and maybe R&R right like a [00:39:04] Street Sweeper or something like that we were planning ahead knowing that we [00:39:19] were gonna overlap I just wonder if we have these multiple years we have some [00:39:28] leftover that carries over but not not really not for this fun no so the six [00:39:34] hundred thousand for that division is for mowing the grass and keeping all of [00:39:40] your retention ponds in good shape stormwater maintenance no no yes well [00:39:47] which six thousand the number that's left out and personnel and operating [00:39:51] expenses okay yeah those two yes so we're spending six hundred thousand [00:39:55] dollars a year to main or privately paying or however we're doing it to mow [00:40:03] all of our right-of-ways and taking do clean our system Street Sweep all of [00:40:11] those types of things clean out retention ponds didn't identify the [00:40:18] grant to receive it this year until you've completed I guess and you put [00:40:22] 230,000 in for next year but you think you're going to get 300,000 for that I [00:40:27] think it's 342 or something that that it's gonna end up being but I'll get you [00:40:32] the number and then on the third year in the fourth year in the fifth year out [00:40:37] over on your five-year summary you're showing that you have you know amount of [00:40:47] money that you're intending to spend it's minimal but it looks like our [00:40:51] stormwater fee really just covers the personnel and operating and maintaining [00:40:56] it so that's correct but maybe a hundred grand in there you just don't have money [00:41:02] for projects right which again stormwater is over is an allowable use [00:41:07] of the rescue that's a yes for sure so and I think you mentioned it here in the [00:41:12] document somewhere that some of our resiliency and some of our stormwater [00:41:16] projects we could be looking at [00:41:25] so the next 20 year lookout on stormwater I don't know if Barrett kind [00:41:33] of alluded to it when he said that we have some new partner DEP regulations or [00:41:39] rules but I believe there's a new regulation that requires cities to look [00:41:44] out at their stormwater on a long-term basis correct and calculate the amount [00:41:49] of funds that you're gonna need expenditures it's gonna take you to to [00:41:53] perform the projects so how do we tackle that well we have to get with the [00:42:02] consultants and go ahead and do a study and see where we're at where we're at [00:42:08] with it I mean it's one of those unfunded mandates and and I think it's [00:42:13] actually is filtering over into the wastewater treatment plan as well [00:42:17] because before they were they would be able to operate under their own permit [00:42:22] but now they're gonna have to submit an NPDES plan as well so yeah I think that [00:42:29] puts us back to the comment that I think the mayor made that what he said [00:42:38] they're not trying to pay attention [00:42:42] so we have 400,000 budgeted for the [00:43:10] James E. Gray Preserve improvements. This would be phase one and this would [00:43:17] include the design and construction of the entrance and shell parking lot at [00:43:23] the southern end of Congress as well as the landscaping elements that are needed. [00:43:32] The next project that we have we have budgeted five hundred and thirty [00:43:38] thousand for this year and then we're going to follow up with two hundred and [00:43:44] sixty five thousand and twenty two twenty three. This will complete the [00:43:49] Meadows Park, our dog park improvements that we talked about last week. [00:44:08] So the next project that we have is the Francis Avenue Park improvements. This [00:44:17] is phase one. This would include the replacement of the three existing [00:44:22] shelters and then a sidewalk to connect all of them and we've got four hundred [00:44:28] and ten thousand dollars budgeted for that project. The following one is the [00:44:36] the three shelters that are there, the existing shelters are going to be [00:44:39] replaced as well as some of the sidewalks to where we can make sure that [00:44:43] we have connectivity to all three of them. [00:44:49] These are the ideal sorts of things that you can [00:45:00] Yeah, this is Penny for PASCO improving New Port Richey. When you're doing [00:45:07] Great Preserve, Congress Street improvements, upgrade to the park [00:45:13] formerly known as the Meadows Dog Park and Princess Avenue Park, major improvements to that. I mean [00:45:21] this isn't just just routine maintenance. This is building something new that [00:45:27] improves all three of those parks for the benefit of our community. [00:45:34] If I had my way, I'd increase the speed on the Great Preserve and take a measured step-by-step thing in the [00:45:46] Meadows Park. I think it's a great master plan. I'm a little worried about the [00:45:51] size of the parking and how much activity we're going to generate on it [00:45:55] and what's that going to do for the neighborhood. So just my first blush, if [00:45:59] you've got pickleball, kids playing in the playground, dogs, and folks coming in [00:46:04] and out of the river, I don't know how many parking spaces there are. But I'd [00:46:09] like to see if maybe that could be phased in with the dog park, which is [00:46:14] what everybody anticipated in some of the parking. I don't know, maybe you've [00:46:19] done that. I see you've got 250 in the second out year. I don't know if that's [00:46:23] just a continuation, but if it took three years to do it, it probably would [00:46:28] be a good chance to see how it works as you start using it, because you might [00:46:33] find that you've got to modify it by the time it gets to the final, I'm not sure. [00:46:40] Just an idea. So the next project that we have is Russ Park upgrades. I don't [00:46:55] know if you recall, this is the neighborhood park that is off of Avery [00:46:59] Road, west side of the US-19. We did have a large ditch that went down the [00:47:07] middle of that park and really couldn't utilize it to its full potential. We went [00:47:12] ahead and did a project last year that we were able to go ahead and put [00:47:19] some stormwater pipe in and backfill to where we have made one continuous piece [00:47:24] of property. And so this right here would include the construction of a small [00:47:30] shelter and a playground feature for the people in that neighborhood. And so [00:47:38] you know what, I don't think there is. I think it's just the street lights. So we [00:47:45] can incorporate. We talked about lighting up other parks, and so I think we should [00:47:53] light up this one too. Any of our other parks, I think we should grow, you know, [00:47:58] just security-wise. If we're improving the parks, we should improve the lighting. [00:48:08] And so we have 40,000 for the skate park project, and this would be for the [00:48:17] engineering. It would consist of the removal of the existing skate park and [00:48:23] the construction of an upgraded, possibly a relocated, skate park in 23-24. And so [00:48:32] some of the elements that have been identified for the updated skate park [00:48:39] would be a permanent concrete bowl structure or pump track with newer [00:48:45] amenities for bicycles, skateboards, rollerblades, and scooters. And I believe [00:48:51] this was in the master plan that was called out in the record. [00:48:55] I would defer. Location-wise, I know. It would be located back near where the [00:49:09] basketball courts are and the shed storage is on the same footprint. [00:49:19] I don't know where the grape reserve is. [00:49:26] Is the methane still high on the property back behind there? [00:49:32] In Indiana. [00:49:34] It's the what? I'm sorry. [00:49:36] The methane or whatever the gas is that we're measuring off the dump. [00:49:40] Oh, right, right. That's off of Indiana Avenue. [00:49:43] Yeah, I mean, that's back in there. [00:49:45] We've still got methane problems there. [00:49:47] Correct. [00:49:48] It's still a permanent site. [00:49:51] When did we first install the skate park? [00:49:54] I'm sorry, I didn't hear the question. [00:49:56] When did we first install the existing skate park? [00:49:59] I don't know that. [00:50:07] It's been in rough shape for a while. [00:50:10] It has. So our following project that we have is the Grand Boulevard Park improvements. [00:50:16] We've got $15,000 budgeted. [00:50:18] This is for design phase work and the purchase of installation of shade structures [00:50:26] for the playground on the park itself. [00:50:35] The Recreation Advisory Board. [00:50:37] I may have talked to you about this before, but I think the issue with the parking lot, [00:50:43] it being gravel or dirt or whatever it is, and it can be asphalt, was a swift mud issue. [00:50:49] At Grand Boulevard Park? [00:50:51] Correct, yeah. [00:50:53] Is that accurate, Robert? [00:50:55] It is. [00:50:56] That's why it has to stay that way? [00:50:58] It would have to stay that way, or we could approach them and find out how much larger [00:51:05] the retention pond would have to be if we were to asphalt it. [00:51:12] So big now? [00:51:13] Mm-hmm. [00:51:16] Would shell be a problem? [00:51:18] But it doesn't mean that we couldn't replenish. [00:51:20] If it needs more shell, we could bring some in and level it out. [00:51:24] Yeah, well, I mean, especially if it rains heavier, you can start seeing ruts and stuff [00:51:27] when it goes down the drain. [00:51:28] It seems like it's just washing dirt down into it, which I don't understand. [00:51:33] Just a little sidebar here. [00:51:35] Remember working on Gray Preserves Shell Parking? [00:51:38] It would be good for us to take a look at that at the same time, dollar-wise. [00:51:43] Is that? [00:51:44] Sure. [00:51:54] Is the lighting sufficient now, do you think, Matt? [00:51:57] No, the lighting's pretty good. [00:51:58] I'd say it's sufficient now. [00:51:59] Yeah. [00:52:00] I think we had people camping out there before. [00:52:03] Yeah, now the light's on, it keeps them out. [00:52:08] So do we have any more questions on page 19? [00:52:17] So the next project that we have called out is the construction of the Fire Station 2, [00:52:24] and you all are familiar with that. [00:52:27] That includes a construction of a two-bay drive-through and all the modern amenities [00:52:34] that are required for firefighters, and we've got $2,425,000 budgeted for that. [00:52:45] Did we just not learn that the bids were higher than we were able to? [00:52:49] Yes, we did just open bids, and the low bid and all the rest of the bids [00:52:55] were considerably higher than the bid amount, or the, I'm sorry, [00:53:02] the approved project budget, and we're determining what to do to go forward with it. [00:53:10] I think, in large part, the fact that the building is composed of so much steel [00:53:20] may have been a factor in why the bids were so high. [00:53:25] There are some other variables that may have caused the bid to be so high. [00:53:29] We're going to meet with the low bidders and talk to them about the project, [00:53:34] and our expectation at this point, though, is that we'll be rejecting all of the bids [00:53:40] and doing some value engineering and bringing and reletting the project [00:53:47] probably after steel prices stabilize somewhat. [00:53:54] Is 2.4, is this an increase on what we had previously bid that expected it to cost? [00:54:01] No, it is not. [00:54:02] Have you factored in any additional cost on it in this bid, or is this the same issue? [00:54:07] This has been our project budget all along. [00:54:14] We are expecting that there will be some COVID-related cost adjustments [00:54:21] that we'll need to make if you determine that we can go forward [00:54:27] with the project construction at some point, you know, within the next six months. [00:54:36] And we'll be asking you to consider that as part of our discussion [00:54:42] as it relates to the use of the American Rescue Funds. [00:54:46] Are you going to just change the 2.4 to what you think is going to be a good number [00:54:50] versus keeping it at the bad number and telling us it's going to cost more later? [00:54:55] Do you think you can get it down to 2.4? [00:54:58] No, we don't think we can get it down to 2.4. [00:55:00] Why don't we put it in what we think it's going to be? [00:55:05] But we don't think we're not going to ask you to raise it, certainly, to what the bids were at. [00:55:13] Right, yeah, but I mean if you think you can give us a practical expected number. [00:55:18] That's what we want to work on. [00:55:22] I'm trying to. [00:55:24] No, but I'm talking about on the paper. [00:55:26] Yeah, this was released before the bids were done. [00:55:28] Right, so you might update this is what I'm saying. [00:55:30] Yes, thank you. [00:55:31] You talk about taking a little money out of some of those small projects, [00:55:34] and you're not using Penny for PASCO for this, but certainly you could. [00:55:39] Yeah, I'm just not comfortable updating it yet. [00:55:42] Okay. [00:55:43] But in coming weeks, Robert and I and Chief Fitch will be much better prepared to do that. [00:55:50] You're going to have to push all the trucks into the new building. [00:55:56] The next project that we have, it's $15,000. [00:55:59] It's for a city hall HVAC deficiency analysis. [00:56:04] We've done quite a lot of upgrades to all of our systems through the city. [00:56:10] Right now we want to do a report where they go in and they examine the system here [00:56:16] and give us recommendations as far as maintenance, replacement, [00:56:20] and those types of schedules that we need to do in the near future. [00:56:25] And we want to be able to have a consultant that specializes in this [00:56:31] instead of utilizing our maintenance contract that we have with the contractor now, [00:56:36] because obviously you might say we need something that we don't really need. [00:56:41] And so this kind of gives us that independent party to kind of let us know [00:56:45] how we should proceed in the future with our system here at city hall. [00:56:54] The next project we have $550,000 budgeted for, [00:56:59] and this is the continuation of the library renovation project. [00:57:03] We're projecting that we'll have about $500,000 left of work to do [00:57:09] to complete that project in this up-and-coming budget year. [00:57:23] And so we're also looking at the fire station number one renovations project. [00:57:29] There is some grant funding that's available for this project. [00:57:34] We've got $300,000 budgeted, [00:57:37] and it's basically a building hardening type of grant that's available to us, [00:57:44] and it's upgrades to the bay doors, the existing ventilation system, [00:57:50] keyless entry system, generator replacement, window replacements, [00:57:55] those types of elements that are included. [00:57:58] Storm hardening. [00:57:59] Yes, sir. [00:58:00] I would like to suggest that we have, when we have grants as part of it, [00:58:04] that we have a section of the capital improvement fund that we treat as like a contingency area, [00:58:10] so we know if the grant is going to come in before we build it, [00:58:16] and it might apply more to the CRAs when we have all of these projects [00:58:20] and we don't know contingent on whether the private partner wants to come in [00:58:25] and build something, whether we do something. [00:58:27] But grant funding called out here in the revenue stream on this? [00:58:41] We have the grant funding called out. [00:58:46] Possible grants. [00:58:47] Yeah, same description. [00:58:49] $200,000. [00:58:55] We can provide more detail. [00:58:58] It's just kind of nice if each project that had a grant had a kind of analysis [00:59:03] of whether that's a 50-50 grant or a 10% grant. [00:59:08] We could probably do that on the description page. [00:59:15] And the grant funding is always subject to being approved, right? [00:59:18] This one has been approved. [00:59:19] It has been approved? [00:59:20] This one's been approved. [00:59:21] Okay, so if it's not, so you only put grant money if it's been approved on here? [00:59:28] If it hasn't been, we'll just say possible grants, [00:59:31] which means that we may be in the application stage [00:59:35] or we're expecting to get it, but it's not. [00:59:38] Mike, what's important is when you file for a grant and you've got to match it, [00:59:43] you get points if you put money in the budget to match it. [00:59:46] So that's my point. [00:59:47] If we build out the formula where if we get the grant, we're going to do it. [00:59:53] If we don't, maybe we don't. [00:59:55] And we go for six grants and we get two, those are the two projects. [01:00:00] we're ready to do it because we've won them. So there has to be some [01:00:05] anticipation in order to get the grant to begin with. I'm remembering that did [01:00:11] you budget for it or do you have funds for it is often an extra point in [01:00:17] getting the grant. So it's good to put them in there, but that's why I say [01:00:24] contingent. If you don't get it, then you've got to revisit it. You get the [01:00:29] points. You're correct. You get some points if you can sit there and [01:00:33] say it's in our master plan or it's in our capital improvement program. That way [01:00:38] they know that you're allocating some money towards that project and you're [01:00:43] serious about constructing it. Next project we have is the Sims Park boat [01:00:52] ramp area improvements and this budget amount is $650,000 and [01:01:01] this includes the site expansion and parking lot expansion and [01:01:08] site improvements. This phase that we would be talking about this coming year [01:01:15] would be the site acquisition and design services. [01:01:23] And the next project we have is the City Hall facility renovations. This [01:01:36] would include the upstairs restrooms. [01:01:41] So that's $200,000 a year for the next four years? [01:01:46] Well, we anticipate not only restrooms, but we're doing [01:01:52] little projects each year instead of a large one. The following year would be [01:01:57] the first floor restrooms. We'd look at window. If you look like we [01:02:06] have, we're proposing restrooms, then door replacements, those types of [01:02:13] things. So each year, so the fiscal year 22-23 would be the exterior door [01:02:19] replacement. The next year would be the walkway and then the last year would be [01:02:23] the council chamber. So we tried to put it in the description so you can follow [01:02:27] it by year. Engineering year one, construction year two. [01:02:34] It's four million dollars for that whole category and trying to see which [01:02:48] one of those is really going to stimulate economic growth. Four million or eight [01:02:54] eight hundred and eighty thousand. I'm talking the total of those two sites. [01:03:18] The next project that we have is the Grand Boulevard bridge project and this [01:03:23] has several different funds that are included because we're doing several [01:03:26] different types of functions. Not only are we replacing the bridge, but we're [01:03:31] also doing topside design with the multi-use path as well as the relocation [01:03:37] of the water and the sewer lines that are attached to the bridge. There is an [01:03:43] error in the dollar amount. You have a hundred thousand, that's a hundred and [01:03:50] supposed to be a hundred and sixty-five thousand. A hundred thousand is for the [01:03:55] replacement or I'm sorry the elevation of the bridge that we entered into an [01:04:00] interlocal agreement with Pasco County. The sixty-five or the sixty thousand is [01:04:06] for the design work to do the water and sewer lines, those replacements. And then [01:04:13] I think there's five thousand that is included for the design on the topside [01:04:20] of the bridge that would include the multi-use path. So we did have a [01:04:26] hundred thousand but it should be a hundred and sixty-five so you'll see [01:04:29] that on our next go-around when we review it again. Are you moving the [01:04:35] money from the prior years into this? No sir, that it was a it was a clerical [01:04:40] error because I didn't. You said sixty and five all added up [01:04:45] there across the top, right? Right. In engineering, right? Correct, correct. So [01:04:50] you're but you're sixty thousand exactly you're right it gets moved over. It's all [01:04:55] moved up in here? Yes sir. Right, okay. [01:05:09] It's heavier on them. They're expected to pay I think around three million [01:05:14] they're going to replace it. We're just we're just we're paying to elevate the [01:05:21] bridge, the additional cost to elevate it. It's an estimate at this point? Yes sir. [01:05:27] Extra four foot of cement in the piling, right? No, it's more to it. [01:05:33] When is that expected to happen? Engineering is this year you've got [01:05:44] 250,000 in for the cost already this year coming up. Do you think they're [01:05:48] going to do it in the fiscal year? They're calling for the construction to [01:05:53] be in I want to say 23-24 but what we were trying to do because we've got to [01:06:00] get that million dollars instead of getting it in one year we were trying to [01:06:06] just do the R&R to where when they start the construction then we'll have the [01:06:12] dollar amount. Well the way construction costs are going why don't we move the [01:06:16] some of the second and third year costs up front and then we don't have them. [01:06:23] In other words, why let the money sit if we have it when you've got a chart [01:06:32] that's going to say in the third year spend another 400,000 on the Great [01:06:36] Preserve or wait an extra year before you start doing anything else in some [01:06:41] other areas. Why don't you put the money where the money's needed? [01:06:47] This R&R, I'm not following. I kind of like the R&R. I'm sure you do. We did that with the fire trucks and things like that so we're prepared when it comes along. [01:07:01] But if you take money that you're going to spend in the third year [01:07:07] and move it to the first year then you have that money in the third year so you [01:07:12] don't have to do an R&R. True, but if the if the chart on the page before says [01:07:24] to spend half a million dollars on the third year on something else we want to [01:07:28] do why wouldn't we do that now and put the money in and make sure that we have [01:07:33] the money for it. I mean it's not like we're not going to have the money. [01:07:39] I don't know if you need to nail your suggestion down a little more for me to understand. [01:07:41] Okay, yeah. [01:07:43] Thank you. [01:07:47] That's something in the third year. [01:07:51] Or amend it during the time frame and say let's move it up and but I mean [01:08:05] doesn't have to do with the agreement with the county as far as the payment [01:08:08] for it. We're not required to pay them. Or put in the scrub money. They allowed us to [01:08:18] spread it out. Because construction hasn't started yet so once it does then [01:08:23] we're going to have to pay according to the pay requests and so as long as we're [01:08:32] not risking it by saying we're going to get penny-for-peso money again when we [01:08:36] aren't so I mean if you're using money you know you're getting is my point not [01:08:40] to risk and think we're going to get something and not be sure of it. [01:08:48] So the next one is the Grand Boulevard multi-use path. This is on the south end. [01:08:53] This is phase one through three. This would be for the design documents to be [01:09:01] able to go to construction for the multi-use path from Grand Boulevard [01:09:07] Bridge from Marine Parkway up to where it connects at the existing [01:09:17] multi-use path on Madison Street. And we've got two hundred and fifty thousand [01:09:24] for engineering. [01:09:32] From Marine Parkway to the bridge. We'd start the phases then, correct? So the [01:09:44] next one we have a feasibility study that is eighty thousand dollars we have [01:09:49] budgeted for and the scope of work for this project would be to include [01:09:56] concepts for the construction of the multi-use path on Grand Boulevard from [01:10:00] Circle Boulevard to the city limits. It would include a review of the [01:10:07] corridor, analyzation of the existing conditions, concept plans and [01:10:12] construction costs. [01:10:22] The meeting coming up? [01:10:27] It's sort of going to be important. The 19th to the 23rd, yeah. The 19th is out, it's the 23rd. [01:10:37] It's on your golf cart underpass? Yeah, the end of the bridge thing. And they're [01:10:45] looking at New Port Richey and New Port Richey specifically what we're planning [01:10:49] on bringing to the table for this. I think, well there it is. [01:10:59] And the last project that we have in this fund is the Marine Parkway [01:11:04] Pedestrian Bridge and we have a hundred thousand dollars budgeted for a project [01:11:10] needs assessment. Where are we on that? [01:11:20] I was going to say I think we just received the RFQs in from two firms and [01:11:29] we're going to be interviewing them in the next couple weeks to determine who [01:11:33] we would bring to you all requesting the selection for them. We're going to [01:11:40] spend a hundred thousand dollars to decide if this is something that's [01:11:44] feasible that we might need. Well no, there's really much more to their work [01:11:50] than determining if it's feasible. Well they will be determining what's [01:11:56] required in order to implement the project and make specific [01:12:05] recommendations on bridge design and bridge costs so that we know what it [01:12:13] would cost to implement a project. And if you're speaking... And I don't know that [01:12:21] it'll be 80,000 either. That's a plug figure that we think is more than enough. [01:12:29] And Mike, if you're speaking about you still have doubts as to whether you [01:12:34] support building the overpass or not? I don't have any doubts. But yeah, well you're [01:12:39] you're not for it? If it's anything near six million dollars I'm not sure I can [01:12:45] get on board with that at this time. I remember you saying how the city was [01:12:50] going in a great direction and you weren't here to change its direction and [01:12:54] this has been something we've been doing. To connect to the Pinellas Trail is a [01:12:58] huge thing to the economy of our downtown and our city and I think you're [01:13:02] going to find a lot of support for it. So well maybe so you know it's I don't know [01:13:05] you know it's a lot of things I like just what you know how much support's there. [01:13:11] Far be it for me to suggest kidnapping anybody from FDOT Tampa but I suspect if [01:13:18] we could bring some of their senior people and have them walk back and forth [01:13:23] across US 19 at Marine Parkway a few times and maybe take a golf cart across [01:13:28] a couple times we might get a lot more support from them than getting this [01:13:33] taken care of. I'm not necessarily over over I'm not necessarily against the [01:13:39] idea of the bridge I'm just I'm I'm just not sure that's that entire project needs [01:13:45] to fall on the shoulders of the city as far as the expenditure of that and that's [01:13:49] my point if FDOT realizes that this is just something that's got to be [01:13:54] addressed and we could get into their work plan. Thank you for the sidebar if [01:14:01] you don't mind I'd like to just add one more thing for background information [01:14:06] which is there was a time and it still is actually in advance of our project [01:14:12] priority list which is the transit area and despite the bad vibes that watching [01:14:21] the folks get off the bus creates for folks the future of transportation and [01:14:27] the modernization of cities and the microtransit the bike and ride the park [01:14:33] and ride all those things are like the rage for the younger folks and [01:14:38] particularly if Matt is right and you can get those scooters and those other [01:14:41] things crossing over safely across the highway then you're going to have a [01:14:44] whole nother bit of a bit of that low-impact stuff but yeah a couple years [01:14:54] ago I was at League of Cities conference in the summertime and there was a [01:15:00] about an hour presentation by Uber and they asked what they asked us what was [01:15:06] Uber's competition and it wasn't public transportation it wasn't you know our [01:15:15] cabs or any things of that sort it's competition was privately owned vehicles [01:15:20] so you're saying about the young maybe moving away from and you know kid [01:15:26] doesn't get 16 can't wait to get his license anymore some don't care so we're [01:15:31] going to see that that transition you know that in the younger people that [01:15:35] there's like no way I'd get my car up but these people are going to be [01:15:38] interested so between uber and Lyft and public transportation we're going to see a major change in how things are going to happen so I almost forgot to say what happened was the transit [01:15:50] group who had big federal money was looking and I think I've mentioned this [01:15:54] before to have a transit station in New Port Richey and they had agreed to [01:15:59] partner with us on the overpass and create a bike and ride park and ride [01:16:05] secure transit facility that they were excited about unfortunately it never got [01:16:12] to the city manager in the county administrator before it got leaked out [01:16:15] to an elected official who got angry about it and the whole thing got killed [01:16:20] and I understand what we see in terms of the drug activity and the homeless [01:16:28] and some of the folks that come off of the buses but that I think is the [01:16:32] biggest challenge for transit right is trying to figure out when workers are [01:16:39] going to take an express bus from New Port Richey to go to and they're [01:16:43] talking about express bus too so I accept your challenge to make others do [01:16:47] it I but I invite you to get on get on board with the overpass man because I [01:16:54] really believe that the Pinellas Trail is a great and successful opportunity [01:17:00] for us to bring in some of those other folks which goes back to the needs [01:17:04] because we don't need it because our residents aren't using it yet so this is [01:17:10] one of those things where it's kind of like a try to get ahead and see if [01:17:15] builder they will come yeah I mean to some degree yeah I mean but you've got [01:17:20] the example of what's happening already I mean it may not necessarily be such a [01:17:24] bad thing it's moved down a little bit we have to do our due diligence and you [01:17:29] know some of the estimates they were given from FDOT and the MPO or the more [01:17:33] like eight or nine million dollars so in future years the costs may come down and [01:17:38] then also FDOT maybe make some changes to their policies and we can get more [01:17:42] funding for golf cart or whatever so it's not necessarily you know yeah the [01:17:47] world but well let's move this discussion to the CRA and get it out of [01:17:51] the general fund and all of the transportation arguments because that's [01:17:55] really about economic development anyway and that's the fund that's going to be [01:17:59] around for 20 some years so Mike I may be at my in the old age home but if we [01:18:04] put 200,000 a year for the electric electric wheelchair electric anyway [01:18:13] thank you for that I apologize good time so the next on page 40 our next funding [01:18:22] source is the water and sewer construction fund the first project that [01:18:27] we have in here is is 2.2 6 2 million 260 thousand dollars we have budgeted to [01:18:37] replace the existing fleet building utility warehouse it was constructed in [01:18:44] 1973 we have 25,000 for miscellaneous right-of-way and facility irrigation [01:18:56] expansion and again this is one of those proactive I call them accounts to [01:19:02] where if we ended up having to say we installed an irrigation system that we [01:19:10] wanted to expand on something like that that was around our facilities on the [01:19:14] right-of-way we'd have an account where we had money budgeted to where we could [01:19:18] come to you and again ask for approval [01:19:26] well the next one that we have is the potable reclaimed water system extension [01:19:32] miscellaneous projects this line item this is 330,000 this is for projects [01:19:39] that if somebody's well system goes out and they need us to service them this [01:19:48] taken we utilize this money to extend the water system to wherever that area [01:19:54] is at that's in need the following project is the New Port Richey and Pasco County interconnect it's our interconnect and obviously this [01:20:07] is redundancy this whole system is in case our system goes down we have pump [01:20:12] failures at our plant we need to still supply our water keep the system [01:20:17] positive we would open the valves at our interconnect with Pasco County at Little [01:20:22] Road and the cubilis the valves were installed in the 1970s they've served [01:20:29] their useful life it's a critical critical part of our infrastructure that [01:20:35] we need to take care of so we've got 300,000 budgeted for that and the [01:20:46] following project is the Orangewood Lakes water system improvements this is [01:20:50] that utility off of Mass Avenue that we had purchased this includes the final [01:20:57] upgrade interconnecting to their system upgrading of the pipe sizes to where we [01:21:03] can increase fire protection and water pressure for that area and that's a 612 [01:21:10] thousand that we have budgeted for that [01:21:23] and so the next one that we have again we have 330,000 budgeted these are for [01:21:29] we've been mainly using this when we are identifying line services that go [01:21:35] underneath the roads that we are reconstructing and doing improvements on [01:21:39] we'll go ahead and get those service lines those crossovers that we call them [01:21:44] replaced to try to eliminate or to reduce the chances of having to dig up [01:21:52] an existing new road that we recently reconstructed on those is that the line [01:22:00] item where you would put for example what we what we don't see is any the [01:22:13] anticipation or any expression of interest I guess in expanding into those [01:22:23] service areas I talked about before so the Trouble Creek connection going into [01:22:28] the areas that are not sewered that are affecting the Gulf of Mexico we we [01:22:34] didn't have anything in here it doesn't mean that we we can't address those what [01:22:38] we've been doing is we've been following our water and sewer master [01:22:44] plan and when it comes to sewer that we we've we're in I think our third year or [01:22:51] fourth year where we've tried to divert some of our flows to the south end of [01:22:56] town because our lift station the one on Nebraska Avenue that's right behind the [01:23:01] social that's what you would call a master station so we're trying to go [01:23:05] ahead and alleviate some of the pressure and upgrade that system down [01:23:08] there that's been a multi-year phase and so those were in place it doesn't mean [01:23:17] that we can't look at the funding that you're talking about and wanting to go [01:23:22] down into the Trouble Creek area and start identifying those those areas that [01:23:28] are in need we are starting a new and we typically do a master plan about every [01:23:34] between every 10 and 15 years regardless of what type of master plan [01:23:39] it is so you all had approved our master plan for water and sewer last year and [01:23:46] so they're in the middle of doing that and so those would be the topics that we [01:23:51] would discuss okay here are the neighborhoods that we have here's where [01:23:54] we want to expand they're doing the modeling so that they can tell us what [01:24:00] we would have to improve before we bring systems online or if we expand it [01:24:06] into the area you're talking about how we approach that and so it's not in here [01:24:13] right now but if you look and you see you'll see like water utility system [01:24:18] improvements on this page if you go to the next page you'll see sewer utility [01:24:23] systems similar to our street improvement projects that we have and [01:24:29] and so what we're telling you is that we are budgeting that money and we're [01:24:34] planning on doing those types of projects and as we go along in [01:24:41] prioritize would would be the details of it in the description page and so if we [01:24:46] got our master plan back and we've been talking to the consultants and it's in [01:24:51] line with what you've been talking about then we would be able to better [01:24:56] tell you after the plan is done okay this is what years we think we're going [01:25:01] to be able to get Trouble Creek we're going to be able to go that's that's all [01:25:04] good it's hard pardon me for interrupting you but I'm going to be out [01:25:08] of here in May and this request to annex into the city has been on for two three [01:25:13] years so telling me that we're following some standard procedural occasional [01:25:19] look at something and I didn't hear a single thing that said we are looking at [01:25:25] what we can do to get sewer to an area that will a build the sewer system for [01:25:31] their residents at no cost to us so it's fine to build it and put it into an [01:25:38] existing place and pay for it but it's great if somebody wants to annex into [01:25:42] the city get us through the Gulf of Mexico and I'm excited about the [01:25:46] potential annexation of that land and a lot hedges on our ability and waiting [01:25:53] for government to decide whether or not it's feasible and in what future year it [01:26:00] might do it that's not acceptable to me the only the only thing I was trying to [01:26:07] say is is that I need the modeling to come in because it doesn't matter who [01:26:12] builds that what you're talking about it doesn't matter who builds it it's [01:26:17] going to come online into an existing system and we have to deal with [01:26:21] hydraulics so the only thing I'm saying is is I got to take that into account [01:26:27] the consultants have to come back with the master plan and say okay if this is [01:26:32] if we're projecting to build I don't know how many units or this or that then [01:26:38] we will know what size everything has to be we'll know that if our existing [01:26:42] infrastructure that's down in that area that we don't have because we're not [01:26:48] soaring in there right but you're talking about building a expanding a [01:26:54] system that's going to tie into our existing system and the only thing I'm [01:26:58] saying is is before we can do that we have to be able to make sure that the [01:27:04] system that we have in place can handle that can take that flow and so the [01:27:10] master plan that we're doing now will help identify our weak areas and where [01:27:16] we're at to help accomplish what you're talking about [01:27:23] we'll see [01:27:29] disappointing I mean why haven't we looked at it why are we waiting you know [01:27:33] to find out these answers I don't understand if somebody wants to annex [01:27:37] into the city you get ahold of somebody you say can we do this it's not at the [01:27:42] patience of some vendor that we're planning to do a master plan and it's [01:27:47] not at waiting for them to tell us whether we can do it or we should take [01:27:50] it out of our service area and we should fight to go ahead and retail the sewer [01:27:55] we're already got hooked up to Gulf Harbors that were we've stepped away [01:27:58] from because we don't want that system so I'm I'm completely flummoxed yeah if [01:28:08] there's been any reluctance has been on my part that I haven't made it a [01:28:13] priority and I certainly haven't tasked Robert with the responsibility of [01:28:17] looking at that specific problem so I understand now the priority of it well I [01:28:24] mean to my colleagues I mean if somebody wants to annex in and we're not going to [01:28:28] be in the CRA and we're going to have a lot of new growth that can help the [01:28:33] general fund I don't understand why I have to be pushing it it seems to be [01:28:39] something that we would be looking to do and particularly the manatee are dying [01:28:45] we finally got scholars back we've known for 15 years that the sewer out there in [01:28:51] that area behind Trouble Creek and 19 stinks like hell and it's all on septic [01:28:57] and it's in our service area and it's probably the closest thing to get out [01:29:01] into the Gulf of Mexico so I think environmentally the city has a [01:29:06] responsibility and I hope and pray that I've gotten through to say can we please [01:29:13] get an answer because the answer is we can't serve you then that will put it [01:29:19] into the whole conversation the question is will get was it take to be able to [01:29:26] serve 500 million in this year's budget for this very purpose and that's why [01:29:35] that's why I'm ringing the bells and you know riding on the horse so I'm just [01:29:42] saying I think we have a great opportunity to actually do this and I [01:29:45] think now's the time and if the engineers that we have our consultants [01:29:50] are not looking that way I think it's a mistake [01:30:00] So the next project we have is our annual lining project, and we've [01:30:06] got $300,000 budgeted for that, and I think you all are familiar with that. [01:30:10] That's where our guys go through and they hit the different areas where we [01:30:14] have our sewer mains and manholes. They do the proactive inspections and [01:30:20] identify what lines need to be rehabbed. [01:30:25] And so that leads us to our... we're currently in the 18-19 sewer [01:30:39] utility system improvements. We've got $615,000 budgeted for that, and that's [01:30:47] improvements to the south side that I had just talked about, the West Grand [01:30:52] Area continuation to divert the flows. In the following one, we have $330,000. [01:31:03] This is for the proactive times when we have somebody that has a failure in [01:31:11] their septic system and we need to expand our system to get to their [01:31:16] location. And that completes the water and sewer fund. [01:31:25] So the next funding source we have is redevelopment, 630. That's on page 54. [01:31:45] And we have the neighborhood revitalization program. This is a low [01:32:00] interest loan basis for households or homeowners, low-income homeowners, to do [01:32:07] home improvements. And that's a reoccurring program. We have $280,000 [01:32:20] budgeted for the Main Street Gateway entrance sign located out [01:32:25] there on Main Street by US Highway 19. [01:32:30] Charles, do you recall? [01:32:32] 50 yards? [01:32:34] Yeah. [01:32:36] 80 feet, just a corner. [01:32:38] Wow, this is the arch. [01:32:40] The Kaiser? [01:32:42] The overpass arch. [01:32:44] Oh, just outside the DOT by... [01:32:46] Yeah, that's what I'm asking about. [01:32:48] Correct. [01:32:50] Where is that? [01:32:52] Main Street's 19. [01:32:54] It's like 100 feet in the picture. [01:32:56] It's not on there yet. [01:32:58] Why I ask, because I've always... [01:33:00] People going up and down 19, if they're looking down Main Street, [01:33:02] or they're paying attention to their driving, [01:33:04] if it's that far down Main Street. [01:33:06] It's not that far down Main Street. [01:33:08] It's very close to the right of way. [01:33:10] It is. [01:33:12] It's not 80. [01:33:14] I don't recall specifically, [01:33:16] but we will get the number to you. [01:33:18] So along with it, [01:33:20] you know, the entranceway, [01:33:22] or signage for that, [01:33:24] is there any [01:33:26] additional [01:33:28] information [01:33:30] that you have? [01:33:32] No, I don't. [01:33:34] I don't recall. [01:33:36] I don't recall. [01:33:38] I don't recall. [01:33:40] Is there any additional... [01:33:44] Would it be here for as far as [01:33:46] some of the landscape [01:33:48] significance differences on the [01:33:50] US 19 [01:33:52] Main Street [01:33:54] intersection? [01:33:58] Not physically a sign, [01:34:00] but, you know. [01:34:02] Mind doing a light up at night? [01:34:04] I like that picture that we saw [01:34:06] from Muldrow there. [01:34:08] Yes, it will be lit. [01:34:10] We're proposing to have it [01:34:12] lit. Oh, correct. [01:34:14] And it spans all the way across [01:34:16] Main Street, right? [01:34:18] Lit and landscaping. [01:34:20] Are we still thinking about that? [01:34:22] That it spans all the way across? [01:34:24] That's what this is. [01:34:26] We're talking about it. [01:34:28] Between the curb paths [01:34:30] 711 on Main Street [01:34:32] and US 19. [01:34:34] Back farther than, like, [01:34:36] the Kaiser building, because then [01:34:38] it would be blocked. [01:34:40] It won't be very far back, because you've got a curb cut [01:34:42] for 711. It's going to be on [01:34:44] the US 19 side of the curb. [01:34:46] I thought they would. [01:34:48] We're going to get that built for [01:34:50] $250,000? [01:34:52] The archway? [01:34:58] We're actually going to help construct it. [01:35:00] Which guys are going to build it out of bamboo [01:35:02] and other things that haven't [01:35:04] gone through the roof? [01:35:14] The Neighborhood Revitalization [01:35:16] Program, you know, we've had [01:35:18] that stagnant there for $50,000 [01:35:20] for a number of years. [01:35:26] We utilize that money each year. [01:35:28] Any money left over? [01:35:30] Did we run out of it [01:35:32] halfway through the year? [01:35:36] The money that we've [01:35:38] appropriated for [01:35:40] the program is [01:35:42] to be used [01:35:44] for a variety of things. [01:35:46] We actually don't fully describe [01:35:48] all the details [01:35:50] of the program [01:35:52] to you here. [01:35:54] But it [01:35:56] actually isn't [01:35:58] intended necessarily [01:36:00] only for low-income people. [01:36:02] We usually service the low-income [01:36:04] people through [01:36:06] use of [01:36:08] our community development [01:36:10] block grant funds. [01:36:12] But there are people that own [01:36:14] rental properties that aren't [01:36:16] necessarily low-income [01:36:18] that do need to [01:36:20] make necessarily [01:36:22] household [01:36:24] improvements that would like to [01:36:26] and maybe [01:36:28] are encouraged to do [01:36:30] so through a program like this. [01:36:32] So we do make that [01:36:34] available to them. [01:36:36] We are in a position now where [01:36:38] we're picking up some foreclosed homes. [01:36:40] We want to be able to fix [01:36:42] them up, sell them, [01:36:44] make them available [01:36:46] for sale once [01:36:48] improvements have been implemented. [01:36:50] That's what this funding source [01:36:52] is to be relied on. [01:36:54] I just don't see that $50,000 [01:36:56] is a whole lot of money [01:36:58] to either [01:37:00] do that, pick up foreclosures, [01:37:02] or to have [01:37:04] a landlord or someone [01:37:06] with a rental property [01:37:08] that we really need for him to step up [01:37:10] and do it and we can provide him [01:37:12] an easy method [01:37:14] to do that. [01:37:16] I think it [01:37:18] can go a long way in improving our neighborhoods [01:37:20] if we can [01:37:22] give that some attention. [01:37:26] I was out this past weekend [01:37:28] in a neighborhood and talked to a resident [01:37:30] and she was out [01:37:32] cleaning up her yard [01:37:34] and beautiful houses [01:37:36] except for this one house, right? [01:37:38] We've got to do... [01:37:40] This brings the whole street down. [01:37:42] I just think [01:37:44] we've got to find some ways to [01:37:46] help alleviate [01:37:48] those issues. [01:37:50] I would like to fund this program more heavily. [01:37:52] No question about it. [01:37:56] How soon into the fiscal year [01:37:58] are we burning through that money? [01:38:00] Do we know? [01:38:02] It varies depending on... [01:38:06] It's not well known. [01:38:08] We kind of have to push it. [01:38:10] I know it will eventually run out. [01:38:12] What point is that? [01:38:14] I want to catch up with our $700,000 [01:38:16] residential thing. [01:38:18] We've got a big chunk of money [01:38:20] to do residential. [01:38:22] Is that related in any way [01:38:24] to this neighborhood? [01:38:28] Not really. [01:38:30] This is a revolving loan fund. [01:38:32] We really consider it to be [01:38:34] program income [01:38:36] because it is something that gets repaid. [01:38:38] So, [01:38:40] when a house [01:38:42] sells, for instance, [01:38:44] if it's been fixed back, [01:38:46] you get your money back so you can help somebody else. [01:38:48] Can we take it out of the Capital Improvement [01:38:50] Plan and just put it into [01:38:52] a program of the CRA? [01:38:54] It doesn't sound like something we buy, [01:38:56] own, or keep for ourselves anyway. [01:38:58] Yes, you could. [01:39:00] Can we just pull it out of here [01:39:02] and deal with it under the CRA? [01:39:04] And there might be still... [01:39:06] Maybe that's why you have a little money here [01:39:08] for that, but I just think that [01:39:10] type of project we need to emphasize [01:39:12] a little bit more, find a way to promote it. [01:39:14] That's a good point. [01:39:16] This really isn't capital [01:39:18] improvement. [01:39:20] It's incentive. [01:39:24] Okay, we can look. [01:39:32] Our next project is the Railroad Square [01:39:34] Improvements Phase 1. [01:39:36] This is from Adams Street to Grand Boulevard [01:39:38] that we've been talking about [01:39:40] improving that area. [01:39:42] We've got $1.2 million [01:39:44] that's budgeted [01:39:46] for those improvements. [01:39:56] We don't have that scheduled [01:39:58] at this time. [01:40:01] It will be several weeks [01:40:03] because I still have to communicate [01:40:05] some of the [01:40:07] design [01:40:09] suggestions [01:40:11] provided to me by Frank Starkey [01:40:13] to the project architect. [01:40:17] August. [01:40:21] Does that mean that we would want to maybe [01:40:23] consider the [01:40:25] engineering [01:40:27] Phase 1 and Phase 2 [01:40:30] together in this [01:40:32] coming fiscal year rather than [01:40:34] split it up? [01:40:38] I think that we could probably handle [01:40:40] both [01:40:43] this fiscal year. [01:40:45] I'm sorry, the coming fiscal year. [01:40:49] Particularly [01:40:51] if when we get around [01:40:53] to talking about [01:40:55] the use of the American Rescue [01:40:57] funds, if you go along [01:40:59] with a recommendation [01:41:01] that we'll have to fund [01:41:03] at least the first [01:41:05] phase of [01:41:07] the implementing [01:41:09] the Railroad Square Improvements [01:41:11] and perhaps with the design [01:41:13] services for Phase 1 and Phase 2 [01:41:15] with those funds, [01:41:17] that'll help us. That would also give us [01:41:19] more money to spend [01:41:21] on CRA projects like the Neighborhood [01:41:23] Revitalization Program. [01:41:27] Can we absorb [01:41:29] the Cavalier Square [01:41:31] and this portion of it between [01:41:33] Adams and Grant? [01:41:37] I don't understand the question [01:41:39] about Cavalier Square. [01:41:41] I would like to make some improvements [01:41:43] at Cavalier Square, but I do not plan [01:41:45] to move Cavalier Square. [01:41:47] No, I don't plan to move it. [01:41:49] We'll absorb it in part of this project. [01:41:51] Yeah, that's the question. [01:41:53] Because when we were presented [01:41:55] with some kind of portable stage [01:41:57] that we were going to put on the edge of that parking lot [01:41:59] next to Nebraska, [01:42:01] and I was like, [01:42:03] why are we doing that [01:42:05] when it's 50 feet down the road [01:42:07] and it's Cavalier Square? [01:42:09] There will be some changes. [01:42:11] We're no longer [01:42:13] leasing out to [01:42:15] those sectors. [01:42:17] Right. [01:42:19] And that parking lot behind Verizon too. [01:42:21] We still have [01:42:23] to [01:42:25] in our changes, we still have to [01:42:27] allow access to [01:42:29] the few parking spots [01:42:31] that Roses and [01:42:33] whatever have. [01:42:37] Could you identify [01:42:39] the project more broadly [01:42:41] to incorporate [01:42:43] the [01:42:45] recommendations from the [01:42:47] Muldrow plant? Because [01:42:49] I'd love to see us go as fast [01:42:51] as we can. If the argument [01:42:53] is we're using money to build something [01:42:55] that's intended to help the [01:42:57] downtown businesses, [01:42:59] is that how we can? Absolutely. [01:43:01] That's how I'm justifying it. [01:43:03] That's how we're wanting to justify it. [01:43:05] So Muldrow did their study. [01:43:07] They incorporated in it doing these kind of [01:43:09] improvements. I think if [01:43:11] we just said [01:43:13] phase one of [01:43:15] implementation of our master plan [01:43:17] that we got, then we [01:43:19] might be able to put some cafe lights out [01:43:21] on Main or do some shade structure [01:43:23] or anything else. That is part of what we'll be [01:43:25] proposing. You're right. That might help [01:43:27] on a broader basis to the [01:43:29] larger business community [01:43:31] that would be more defendable [01:43:33] than a construction project [01:43:35] alone. [01:43:37] And I see you're using some [01:43:39] of the [01:43:41] AR American Funding plan funding [01:43:43] here for the first time [01:43:45] on any of these projects, right? [01:43:47] No, we noted that. [01:43:49] I think that was an error, but [01:43:53] we plan on [01:43:55] including that in what we discuss [01:43:57] in the work session. [01:43:59] Yes. [01:44:01] That's right. [01:44:03] Preview. [01:44:05] The theory is helping our businesses to recover [01:44:07] from the COVID with outdoor [01:44:09] dining, outdoor stuff. [01:44:11] And we have a lot of [01:44:13] good stuff that we just got in [01:44:15] the plan. [01:44:17] If you will go to [01:44:19] page 60, [01:44:21] it is the street [01:44:23] improvement fund, 701. [01:44:25] The [01:44:27] first project [01:44:29] we have is traffic sign upgrades. [01:44:31] $30,000 is [01:44:33] budgeted, and this [01:44:35] is a reflection [01:44:37] of the decorative [01:44:39] street poles [01:44:41] with the [01:44:43] cane blades, those types [01:44:45] of signs that you see in the downtown [01:44:47] area now. We expand [01:44:49] those to any of the [01:44:51] multi-use projects that we have [01:44:53] or any of those types of [01:44:55] street skate improvements. [01:44:57] This is the funding source [01:44:59] that we get those. [01:45:00] decorative poles and signs. The following one is the 21-22 Neighborhood [01:45:06] Improvement Project. This is a annual project that we typically do and we hit [01:45:12] different types of neighborhoods. This one neighborhood is the North River [01:45:19] neighborhood and so we've projected that we have 600,000 budgeted for this year [01:45:27] and the project would go into the following year to where we'd complete [01:45:32] the elements that we all talked about last week. [01:45:37] That was the neighborhood that was supposed to get the upgrades right before the bottom dropped out. [01:45:58] At which point, the CRA was just a debt service company and we were never going to be able to do anything again. [01:46:06] I just talked with the contractor today and they ended up getting that footer [01:46:15] poured so you should see it accelerating. We're looking at maybe six weeks and [01:46:20] hopefully they'll be out of there. On this thing, because it was brought up [01:46:26] under communications with North River and all the discussion I heard from the [01:46:31] folks that go up and down, other than to the liquor store, but I want to say [01:46:42] something from what I heard, which was that the Riverside sidewalk, and I've [01:46:48] walked that sidewalk, it's so narrow and a little difficult, and then you [01:46:53] were talking about striping it and doing a road diet. I know you had the west side [01:46:58] as going, and I don't know if you did give me an update, but could we start on the [01:47:03] east side and then work towards that other area that's really not properly [01:47:10] developed yet anyway? That's just a thought. Fix your sidewalk that you have [01:47:15] that's in trouble, that's on the walk along the Riverside to the park. [01:47:21] We're going to look at some options for sure and elicit some more input from the property owners. [01:47:28] We get a lot of input from the property owners. [01:47:34] And then we'll discuss with you how we think we should go forward and get some [01:47:43] clear direction, and then we'll carry out our marching orders. [01:47:49] There appears to be some discrepancies to where people think the property is. [01:47:55] Well, of course, we'll do that. [01:47:59] Well, the whole boat ramp thing, if we acquire that other piece of property that [01:48:05] Chopper brought up earlier on the boat ramp, although you don't have much money [01:48:09] in the budget if we get that private partnership of some kind and do [01:48:13] something there, we still have all of that design work on Davis Plaza that's [01:48:19] kind of underperforming, and the old school, the Genesis School there, so I'm [01:48:27] doubting that there's some new dynamics if we pulled it off, what they're [01:48:31] suggesting us to do with that Highway 19 backdoor stuff. There could be a lot of [01:48:35] design elements that are more than just fixing the sidewalk for people who don't want them. [01:48:43] All right. [01:48:46] Next, we'll get it figured out. [01:48:49] Next project we have is the LED crosswalk signage and lighting. [01:48:54] This project we have budgeted $50,000. [01:48:57] This is for the LED crosswalk over by Golf Middle School. [01:49:06] You know, those crosswalks, Robert, there's a red blinking crosswalk at Adams [01:49:11] because you've got a four-way stop there, I take it? [01:49:13] Yes, sir. [01:49:14] But there's a yellow blinking crosswalk there at Lincoln going into the park, [01:49:20] and I guess they are yellow. Is that why people are not stopping? [01:49:26] Because they're yellow, or they have to be yellow? [01:49:29] It depends on the application. If it's a standard crosswalk, it has to correlate with the [01:49:36] color crosswalk sign, so that's yellow. And so I don't know why the people aren't [01:49:42] stopping, but we did have to switch the other one at Adams Street that was [01:49:46] yellow before we put the stop signs up, then had to switch that over. [01:49:55] Next project we have, we've got $300,000 budgeted for the West Main Street sidewalk [01:50:02] improvement, and this includes the construction of a five-foot-wide sidewalk [01:50:07] that would go from Highway 19 to Olsen Road. The city has a new development [01:50:16] that's right there on Olsen Road for the residents that could walk into town. [01:50:23] Is that going to be elevated so that it isn't underwater? [01:50:27] That whole area is bad. I think it's going to be what we would consider a betterment improvement. [01:50:32] So to answer your question, no, it will flood at some point in time, but they'll have a sidewalk. [01:50:42] Well, I would think they might not use it while it's raining. [01:50:50] Correct. [01:50:51] Is that on the north side then? [01:50:53] We don't know. [01:50:54] Where the city is? [01:50:56] We don't know. Right, it's where the city is, but we don't know if it's going to be on the north side or the south side. [01:51:03] The consultant is looking at that and looking at the topography, so we'll be able to tell. [01:51:10] But yeah, there's an area that... [01:51:12] High side? [01:51:13] Right, exactly, exactly. [01:51:15] You've got to get the burger, you know? [01:51:21] They get the money when they get the cash out. [01:51:26] So the following one is the roadway striping program, and this is where we end up replacing stop bars. [01:51:36] Any types of dermal striping that we need, we use this account. [01:51:46] We have $25,000 budgeted for the neighborhood alley improvements. [01:51:51] These funds are used to regrade, to take and do some tree trimming, trim back the vegetation. [01:52:00] I think last year we had a contractor come in and trim back the bushes and things like that. [01:52:07] I know it probably doesn't seem like a lot, but you're limited to a 20-foot wide right-of-way and a 14-height where you're trimming. [01:52:17] So we were able to get that done, and it already needs it again. [01:52:22] So this would be where, I guess, if we go over the alley management plan or however you would like to proceed, [01:52:31] funds could be increased or however. [01:52:34] There could be additional functions for this program. [01:52:38] I think that's something we're going to have to look at a little bit closer. [01:52:42] Yeah. [01:52:43] The next one is safe route to schools. [01:52:46] This is the West Grand neighborhood sidewalk that we've identified. [01:52:49] I think this was Councilman Davis that brought this to our attention as far as there was a lot of sidewalk areas over on that side [01:52:56] that for whatever reason were not connected. [01:52:59] There's existing sidewalks in areas where there just isn't any. [01:53:04] And so this is the grant that we haven't found out if we've gotten it yet, but we're hoping that we will. [01:53:13] It's like four or five streets that are like from Missouri to Illinois and then on the west side, [01:53:21] they're starting to think they've got it at Illinois or Wyoming on their sidewalks. [01:53:27] And while they did it further south, they didn't do it closer to downtown. [01:53:31] They ran out of money? [01:53:33] Western? [01:53:34] Well, I'm not saying where some council member lived, you know. [01:53:38] In the neighborhoods. [01:53:40] Not on grant. [01:53:41] No, no. [01:53:42] Where from? [01:53:43] The state streets. [01:53:45] Yeah. [01:53:46] And that's where I found the million bucks. [01:53:50] We got an extra million bucks here because over on your revenue side, your $4 million and $19 doesn't include that grant. [01:53:59] So is that a matching grant or a full grant or what is it? [01:54:03] It's a full grant. [01:54:04] Yeah. [01:54:05] So it doesn't mean we wouldn't do it, but that's another one of those contingency or maybe we have to do it slower or whatever if we make room for it. [01:54:23] Did not identify the revenue there. [01:54:29] Following grant is the amount of money. [01:54:30] More money, more money. [01:54:31] No, that's the grant. [01:54:32] I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. [01:54:34] The following project is the Madison Street sidewalk relocation. [01:54:38] It's that section of sidewalk that's between the bridge as you head south towards the school. [01:54:45] The existing sidewalk butts up against the curb right now. [01:54:51] We're really not sure if we or we are sure. [01:54:56] We don't have enough right of way. [01:54:59] And so what we will have to do with this project is approach all the homeowners that would be affected and see if they would grant us a sidewalk easement to be able to relocate that sidewalk back. [01:55:13] This one also I brought up about eight years ago, I guess it was. [01:55:17] And just when the kids were walking through it, whether it was kids that lived south down by Golf Hive were walking up to middle school or the people that lived up by the middle school were walking to the high school. [01:55:28] It wasn't a problem in the morning because they all left at different times to get out. [01:55:33] It was the grab ass on the way home with their buddies and their girlfriends or whatever. [01:55:37] And just this close to the street. [01:55:44] Oh yeah, what kind of experience have we had with that before as far as homeowners, you know, approaching homeowners. [01:55:53] They're normally successful in them granting sidewalk easements. [01:55:59] It's a hit and miss. [01:56:01] I mean, some of them, we just have not had any problem at all. [01:56:05] And they've been very accommodating. [01:56:07] We the recent one that we did was on Congress Street. [01:56:12] It went really smooth. [01:56:13] And then there's been others that it's they don't have anything to do with it. [01:56:19] Oh, I can see if you do anything on Madison. [01:56:22] Don't do it when you've closed the bridge on grand. [01:56:26] Because it's already going to be held. [01:56:31] Yeah, he is to me. [01:56:32] To be sure it's completed before the bridge worked. [01:56:34] Right. [01:56:35] Yeah. [01:56:36] Maybe that's a good argument to do it. [01:56:39] And so the next projects that you'll see are all the street improvement projects that you're very familiar with. [01:56:44] That's our annual striping. [01:56:46] And the only thing I'll call about that is you'll notice that we still have the one point seven million that's taken out for construction. [01:56:54] I know that in the beginning that was your desires as far as wanting the one seven being spent solely on putting asphalt down. [01:57:02] We've continued to do that. [01:57:04] And so you'll see that some of these will have one seven. [01:57:07] That's when we're doing the construction. [01:57:09] The way you see the one ninety. [01:57:11] That's where we're doing the design for the next one. [01:57:14] So we've been able to to put asphalt down every year. [01:57:19] Don't include me on that, though, because I'm for using the engineering as well. [01:57:30] Yes, sir. [01:57:35] And Chopper, I'm going to appeal to you because I know this was important to you when it first started, as if you've made a promise to somebody that that's how we would do it. [01:57:43] But with all these other little one offs and sidewalks and things that don't get covered by that paving at some point, if we start to feel like we got our act together with that assessment, could we free up and start engineering out of it? [01:57:58] Because it's not legally. [01:58:14] My point is, when we review it the next time, if we can manage to not have to take the engineering and shuttle it off to the non assessment areas. [01:58:28] Well, that's you. [01:58:29] So I'm on the other side. [01:58:30] So we'll see if we can start a fight out of these other three. [01:58:34] Are we on that? [01:58:35] When on that deal is where, you know, we've been approaching it on as a we've got to set a priority wise as far as what was needed and so forth. [01:58:44] And we're just about getting close to getting into those fulfilling those prior that list of priorities on the streets. [01:58:54] And as we do that, and then we'll start going, not necessarily street here, street here, street here, but we go on in neighborhoods. [01:59:03] And it becomes maybe a little bit more efficient. [01:59:06] And maybe we can get a little bit of bank, a little bit better bang for our money. [01:59:10] And maybe some of that money can go along with sidewalks as we do those same streets and those areas, that kind of stuff. [01:59:16] Correct. [01:59:17] I think we're at that point. [01:59:18] We've got probably one more year where we should be able to go where we can take a neighborhood and then just stay there in that neighborhood. [01:59:27] Sounds like a workaround to me, chopper. [01:59:29] And the other thing is, if we get to the point where we're not playing catch up, which we have been for the last several years, doing this, [01:59:40] we may want to have that discussion over the course of the next couple of years. [01:59:46] Does some of that money that we're not going to absolutely need to have going into asphalt on the roads, [01:59:53] then get routed into doing some of the improvements that we've talked about on and off the street? [02:00:00] alleys and of course sidewalks and other stuff as well I think I think that has [02:00:07] some some merit that we ought to discuss as we get further along this this [02:00:14] particular assessment and this particular set of projects we've done I [02:00:21] think have been the most well-received of any of the things that we have done [02:00:26] and as chopper is pointed out when you can say yeah you got an $85 assessment [02:00:32] every penny of this money is going right into the asphalt on the roads it's [02:00:39] making a point that people are getting something of value for their money and [02:00:43] they they don't mind paying it when they know they're getting value for their [02:00:48] money and I think the improvements we've seen in streets throughout the city as a [02:00:54] result of this program have just been phenomenal and people have noticed [02:01:10] corner lot big lot still only had one house lived alone next-door neighbors [02:01:18] had 12 people live in there riding 17 cars and that wasn't fair [02:01:23] didn't sound fair a big lot yeah that's right worked out well [02:01:36] wait till you put a pothole in it [02:01:40] yeah that's part of what's random feel yeah good job [02:01:56] they drive down that now out of curiosity when is Palmetto between River [02:02:04] and 19 coming up I'll let you know yeah there are there is a pothole and it's [02:02:15] been dug out it's it's easily this big square and it's got maybe a hundred [02:02:26] yards off 19 and it's it's got gravel in it but with the rains we've had the [02:02:33] gravel doesn't tend to stay in it and then it's a don't don't don't suggest [02:02:44] them doing that plus the the road itself is one of those reverse crown things and [02:02:51] it's picking up potholes all the way down the center line so I was just [02:02:56] curious that's got to be on on a list sometime in the next few years [02:03:05] mm-hmm we sure do especially if we're you know we're accelerating we have some [02:03:11] of the money [02:03:18] correct I think I think this one had somebody dig into it I'm not sure if it [02:03:23] was Robert's people or somebody else but how about intersection improvements [02:03:28] like if the school's going to build this 40 million dollar new school and another [02:03:35] school and the remodeling Marlowe school [02:03:42] Addison and Cecilia because Madison has become such a major thoroughfare as far [02:03:49] as night at 54 Madison takes them all the way to Massachusetts you know and if [02:03:56] you're coming in with Main Street which is really getting tight I mean it's [02:04:02] working but Gulf Drive to Madison is going to be a potential draw for folks [02:04:09] who don't want to go through town and it's tough yeah yeah a lot of people do [02:04:18] but if you come out golf I know you have a nice stop sign with lights on that's [02:04:23] that's really nice it helps and I don't know what you can do there but Madison [02:04:28] and Cecilia where you've got a left turn and you've got everybody waiting [02:04:35] Cecilia empties out and the first one in line wants to turn left and everyone's [02:04:40] coming back from commuting from work you can't make a left onto Cecilia and you [02:04:45] stop every car trying to go that way so maybe when we talk to the school about [02:04:50] the site plan because there's room there I don't know about the houses on the [02:04:55] other side or what you could do but we'd have to include right we'd have to [02:05:01] include Pasco County and that discussion as well because Cecilia's [02:05:04] there's to me that's the one hang up if you're coming back and I don't know who [02:05:09] comes in that way but it we don't have a left arm laying there oh no in the [02:05:15] schools come there's a good time to approach them about that maybe something [02:05:20] to help everybody the other intersection improvement this one probably has to go [02:05:27] to F dot but I'd love to see that main and 19 turned into a right-hand yield I [02:05:39] mean we've got you you're still having to be careful and checking for [02:05:44] northbound traffic as you as you pull out there but there's no curb cut on the [02:05:50] 7-eleven which means that you've got relative safety until you get to Bridge [02:05:56] Street and I tried it the other day chief don't scream too much at me but I [02:06:01] I stopped at the red light to a full and complete stop eased up to make sure that [02:06:08] I was clear and then I goosed it around the corner I was doing 45 as I slid out [02:06:13] of the turn lane into the the right-hand through traffic line got that electric [02:06:19] speed demon but it's it is possible to get up to a safe speed and merge out [02:06:26] there and if we had it as a yield we'd avoid the people that are complaining [02:06:32] that that's just simply trying to ticket them for taking a right turn on so you [02:06:41] know that if we're looking at its intersection improvements that's one I [02:06:46] would put on the list because I I think it would be it would be easy to do and [02:06:53] it would probably cut down on some of that through traffic excuses going [02:06:58] through river at least a green right turn when the southbound 19 is turning [02:07:04] left on domain because you got you got four lanes of clear traffic there just a [02:07:09] green right turn there would help you get for the u-turns but even so they're [02:07:13] their way I mean they got to get past three lanes of traffic and into your [02:07:17] mess there yeah but the green green turn arrow would would work too but it [02:07:24] is something somebody got a look at yeah I agree and that probably does mean [02:07:27] getting F dot involved unfortunately [02:07:32] Robert excellent job presentation and thank you Crystal and again [02:07:38] congratulations on a great audit review so sorry you weren't here the only thing [02:07:50] they came up with and David and I talked about this we were going out the door [02:07:55] that was something we could have had had we spotted it in advance we could have [02:08:01] done a budget amendment that would have eliminated that comment completely [02:08:08] after year-end when I'm doing audit prep and prepping for the audit I reclass [02:08:13] things and so at that point we're after the 90-day deadline to actually do a [02:08:18] budget amendment so it was really a result of just preparing for the audit [02:08:23] that I reclass items that were needed but yeah and that that was that was that [02:08:28] was a nothing comment really it was because our total expenditures were all [02:08:34] within the budget level it was just the two subcategories so I thought it was an [02:08:38] excellent and and I am thrilled to death we actually got it out on time [02:08:43] this year I'm sure my colleagues agree with me on any communications chopper [02:09:00] Pete only to say on the budget amendment issue and when I look at the [02:09:08] comprehensive plan and I see that you know in the year of the COVID that we [02:09:15] now see and I see that our maintenance our grounds maintenance totem is down [02:09:23] $200,000 in actual which was 977 and with 8 7 8 787 and of course culture was [02:09:37] down library 137 recreation down 70,000 but when our police budget is up 250,000 [02:09:48] and our some of these other budgets go up so much we should know about this [02:09:55] during the course of the year this shouldn't be a yeah administrative [02:09:59] audit administrative budget amendment so I mentioned it to Debbie and I think [02:10:06] we'd like to have some kind of quarterly update as how how we're doing just so as [02:10:10] counsel we know and then you go in the budget this year the final budget is [02:10:16] used in your budget preparation and so that shifts the dynamics of the [02:10:24] distribution of funds in the revenue in all fairness [02:10:29] Councilman Altman did mention it to me this morning in a meeting and I just [02:10:32] haven't had time to talk to you about his questions and concerns but I will [02:10:38] get with you on it so that we can provide him and the rest of the council [02:10:41] with an appropriate response we used to have regular budget amendments when you [02:10:46] knew you were running out of money somewhere you have to shift it over [02:10:49] shift it over and tell us about that's and and that's I guess what I'm saying [02:10:55] to it because we wouldn't have had the the the audit comment if we'd made that [02:11:00] change Mike anything for the good of the group no I think I've said everything I [02:11:06] needed to already so I'll pass good in case I'd entertain a motion to adjourn

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3. 3Communications
4. 4Adjournment