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   Review of the FY2020/2021-FY2024/2025 Capital Improvement Program

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   Staff presented the FY2020/21–FY2024/25 Capital Improvement Program covering general fund, stormwater utility fund, and CIP Fund 301 projects. Major discussion focused on the Recreation tennis court and parking lot improvements (~$500,000), with Mayor Chopper questioning usage levels but council ultimately supporting the project; other discussed projects included Senior Center roof replacement, James E. Gray Preserve Phase 1, Grand Boulevard drainage, and the deferred Beach Street stormwater project.

   • direction:Council gave direction to proceed with the Recreation tennis court and parking lot improvement project, with staff to pursue value engineering to reduce cost below the $470,000 bid. (none)

   📍Beach Street📍Francis Avenue Park📍Grand Boulevard just north of Homecrest Avenue📍Lake Friendsville📍River Road👤Barrett👤Chopper👤Debbie Smith👤Robert Rivera#Capital Improvement Fund 301#FY2020/2021-FY2024/2025 Capital Improvement Program#Grand Boulevard Drainage Improvement Project#James E. Gray Preserve Improvement Project Phase 1#Miscellaneous Flood Control Water Quality projects#Penny for Pasco#Recreation Tennis Court Improvements#Recreation and Aquatic Center Restrooms and Locker Room project#Senior Center Roof Replacement#Stormwater Utility Fund

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   [00:00:19] All right, thank you. [00:00:21] So tonight we have before you a proposal of the capital improvement plan for next year [00:00:27] and covers the next five years, actually. [00:00:30] So Mr. Robert Rivera and I will go over each page of this plan in detail and we'll cover [00:00:40] everything that we're proposing tonight. [00:00:44] So in your agenda packet, in your binder, actually, there's a tab at the end. [00:00:50] It's the last tab that says capital improvement fund. [00:00:53] And so that is where the items for tonight's agenda is held. [00:00:58] And so if you turn to page eight of that packet, we'll begin with the summary of the projects [00:01:12] for the general fund. [00:01:13] And I'll let Robert lead. [00:01:14] Okay. [00:01:15] So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go through each project that we are proposing [00:01:19] to perform in the 2021 year and I'll describe each one of those projects. [00:01:28] So the first one that we have is the Recreation and Aquatic Center Restrooms and Locker Room [00:01:32] project. [00:01:34] This project elements include floor and wall upgrades as well as the installation of bathing [00:01:40] suit dryers, electrical and plumbing upgrades, and the replacement of restroom fixtures where [00:01:47] needed. [00:01:49] We have design for this coming year of $12,000 and then we're proposing the construction [00:01:55] to be in the following year. [00:01:57] The next project that we have is the Senior Center Roof Replacement. [00:02:04] It's the front portion. [00:02:05] We had replaced the rear two portions of previous years and we've made some very major, major [00:02:13] repairs to keep this roof from leaking and so now it's time to replace it. [00:02:21] And with that, that concludes the general fund project. [00:02:28] And I'll just add before you turn, the funding for those projects will be Penny for PASCO. [00:02:35] It's a transfer from the Capital Improvement Fund into the general fund to fund those projects. [00:02:43] Thank you. [00:02:45] And so the next division is the Stormwater Utility Fund. [00:02:49] We'll need to give them the page number. [00:02:51] And that would be on page 11. [00:02:54] And the first project that we have there is the Miscellaneous Flood Control Water Quality [00:03:00] projects and as we've discussed previously, that dollar amount is for rehab of any existing [00:03:08] facilities that may arise or if we have flooding elements that occur during the rainy season [00:03:15] that we can react to those types of projects. [00:03:19] And then the next project that we have for you, we had talked about that in our last [00:03:25] council meeting. [00:03:26] It is the Grand Boulevard Drainage Improvement Project where we're going to be replacing [00:03:31] the culvert that goes under Grand Boulevard just north of Homecrest Avenue. [00:03:38] And so the next page provides you with the summary of funding for those projects. [00:03:43] As you know, this fund is supported by the stormwater utility fee that we collect from [00:03:48] our residents each year. [00:03:50] And so $1,068,910 will come from that and we have some additional revenues to provide [00:04:00] a total funding of $1,093,860. [00:04:04] And so with that revenue collected, we'll cover personnel services, operating expenses, [00:04:11] and then capital purchases and a transfer to the general fund of $130,000. [00:04:17] And that leaves the $305,000 left to fund the projects that Robert just mentioned. [00:04:24] So... [00:04:25] Sure. [00:04:28] The... [00:04:29] Let me go back to that. [00:04:32] The... [00:04:33] We're not talking about beginning balances. [00:04:35] You're just trying to treat each year as a standalone, just balancing the income coming [00:04:39] in each year with the expense going out? [00:04:41] So if we had a roll forward from the previous years, it would be included. [00:04:45] For this fund in particular, each year we spend basically what we receive on maintenance [00:04:51] and then the remainder goes to the capital projects. [00:04:54] So the roll forward from last year is only the $9,450. [00:04:59] And that's an estimate, obviously. [00:05:02] But for this particular fund, we basically do spend everything that we collect. [00:05:07] There's no fund balance, okay. [00:05:09] It's very small. [00:05:10] Thank you. [00:05:12] So the next page is page 16. [00:05:16] This is the Capital Improvement Fund 301. [00:05:20] The first project that we have is the James E. Gray Preserve Improvement Project. [00:05:26] This would be Phase 1. [00:05:30] Phase 1 would include the Shell parking lot entranceway, landscaping improvements, [00:05:39] and a reclaimed water extension element to the project. [00:05:44] Future phases and latter years that are included in the CIP document [00:05:49] would include the construction of some multi-use trails, [00:05:53] the construction of a pedestrian bridge that connects existing trails of the preserve, [00:05:59] and then the construction of restrooms, bike amenities, landscaping, and hardscape elements. [00:06:05] And so for the 2020 year, we're proposing an amount of $110,000 for the design. [00:06:13] Construction would be proposed in next year's budget. [00:06:18] So the Shell parking lot and all that will go in next year? [00:06:22] Yes, sir. [00:06:26] May I back up again? [00:06:27] I'm sorry. [00:06:28] I saw something in the stormwater. [00:06:30] The Beach Street project, did we not have a success in getting funding for that project? [00:06:37] That was a year ago, or we lost it? [00:06:40] We did. [00:06:41] We ended up getting $349,000, I think it is. [00:06:46] Do you have that? [00:06:47] Spend it already? [00:06:49] We wouldn't get it until after the project's completed. [00:06:52] And we can wait for two years to get that money? [00:06:55] You received an extension on that. [00:06:57] We have one year from our original application. [00:07:01] They do allow you to request an extension, and we're getting ready to do the extension. [00:07:06] So we don't have any worry that we're not going to get the extension. [00:07:10] But we can't do it until 21-22 because we're focused on the River Road stormwater? [00:07:19] What would cause us not to put that in the current fiscal year coming up? [00:07:24] Our funding? [00:07:28] Grand Boulevard right now has taken priority over that. [00:07:40] We've used Penny for Pasco and other things to help match grants on that. [00:07:44] We've lost a number of grants for lack of acting on them. [00:07:47] I know you say that's not a problem to get a continuance, but all the budget stuff going on. [00:07:57] Is it a critical project? [00:08:01] I mean, you all have considered it to be important for five years now, right? [00:08:06] It's been a long time since you identified it. [00:08:08] Correct. [00:08:09] Correct. [00:08:10] It's in our master plan. [00:08:13] I don't know what it was ranked in the master plan, but our master plan is almost 10 years, [00:08:18] so it had to have been ranked in not a high number, [00:08:23] but it still was called out in the master plan where it was needed to be performed. [00:08:30] And I think part of it is because it's a much larger project, [00:08:33] and so because of that, even with the grant funding, [00:08:38] there's rarely enough capital funds left to fund that type of large project. [00:08:44] So we've deferred it a year so that we can fund it properly. [00:08:58] Thank you. [00:09:05] The next project that we have is the recreation tennis court improvements. [00:09:10] We have an amount for engineering of $5,000 and an amount of $500,000 for the improvements. [00:09:18] The improvements for this project include the overlay of the existing parking lot, [00:09:27] the replacement of all of the lighting that serves the parking lot, [00:09:32] as well as the tennis courts from the high-pressure sodium to LED lighting, [00:09:38] the electrical systems for both the parking lot and the tennis courts. [00:09:43] It also includes fence replacement where needed, [00:09:48] upgraded handicap ramp, railings, and drainage improvements to the east side of the court, [00:09:58] as well as taking in, doing some remediation to the sub-basin areas [00:10:04] where you have reflective cracking, and then finally the resurfacing of the courts themselves. [00:10:10] I got into this quite a bit because I just, [00:10:16] I use that road every time I go north in the city, whatever, Van Buren, Harrison, whatever it is, [00:10:22] and there's never anybody in the courts past 10 o'clock if there's lucky, [00:10:26] if there's anybody in there before 10 o'clock. [00:10:29] So I met with Debbie, Robert, and we had quite a bit of discussion, [00:10:36] went out to the project, went out and looked at it and stuff, [00:10:39] and there's no doubt the parking lot needs to be filled or resealed, [00:10:44] or it's not, it's paved over again, is that correct, is that the right term, Robert? [00:10:49] And then we discussed that, and that's about a little less than half a million, [00:10:56] or maybe a little less, that and the lights. [00:10:59] The rest of it is the tennis courts. [00:11:01] So I said, well, I never see anybody in the tennis courts. [00:11:04] So first of all, I thought it was all the tennis courts, but it's the parking lot too. [00:11:08] There's four courts there. [00:11:11] The two courts on the south side are the ones that are the major problem. [00:11:17] They're the ones that have the cracks. [00:11:19] They're the ones they did the boring on and found out that, basically, [00:11:23] water got underneath the courts and has moved the sub-base, [00:11:27] is that the right term, Robert? [00:11:29] It's moved the sub-base and left some holes in it. [00:11:33] But we're talking about a quarter million dollars, [00:11:35] and so then I got a hold of the rec center and said, [00:11:37] well, how many people are actually using the courts? [00:11:40] And for the amount of times that I go by there, [00:11:44] and it's just about every day, every other day, [00:11:46] the numbers that we're given aren't exactly the numbers that I think of the people that are there. [00:11:52] I may be wrong, but they gave me somewhere this past year of 700 or 800 a month, [00:12:00] and let's say it's a 900 for easy figure, and that's 30 people a day. [00:12:04] I don't see 30 people there a day. [00:12:06] Plus, they have classes when that wasn't included in it, [00:12:09] and the classes run about 100. [00:12:12] So I'm having a real hard problem putting a quarter million dollars into courts [00:12:18] that aren't ever being used. [00:12:20] Are we providing something for a few people in a town? [00:12:23] I mean, you want to divide up the amount of money, [00:12:27] a quarter million dollars plus the lighting. [00:12:29] Some of the lighting is for the courts as well as the parking lot. [00:12:33] So I just have a problem, and I want to discuss this, [00:12:36] because both Debbie and Robert said, well, whatever you guys decide is what we do. [00:12:42] The two courts, I mean, if we wanted to block off two courts [00:12:45] and allow two courts to reevaluate next year, put it on the capital improvement fund next year. [00:12:53] But I look at some of the COVID thing that's coming down the road [00:12:56] and monies that we might need in other areas next year [00:13:00] and put in a quarter million dollars on a tennis court. [00:13:05] I just have reservations about it. [00:13:08] The only thing, Mr. Mayor, if you'll allow me, that I'd like to say is, [00:13:12] and Ms. Smith is here this evening, and she can provide some additional detail, [00:13:19] but I believe that the numbers she presented are accurate. [00:13:24] And it may be, as the information provided to you demonstrates, [00:13:30] that the number of participants has waned because of the fact that courts aren't in good condition, [00:13:38] and that might be a variable that you need to consider. [00:13:43] Mr. Mayor? [00:13:44] Yes. [00:13:45] That was my point as well. [00:13:46] I know a lot of people use the tennis courts. [00:13:48] I don't drive by every day, and I don't try to tally up a number by any means, [00:13:53] but I get complaints based on the tennis courts not being in good shape. [00:13:57] We looked into possibly moving them to Francis Avenue Park. [00:14:02] I think we need to provide that amenity to our residents, [00:14:05] and like we said, if they're in bad shape, people don't use them because they're in bad shape. [00:14:10] I still am not a huge fan of where they're located. [00:14:13] It's very, very hot. [00:14:14] There's no shade. [00:14:15] We put the shade things around the fence, which blocks the wind, and it makes it even hotter. [00:14:22] So it's not a very inviting place to come play tennis, especially in the summer. [00:14:26] But, you know, we want to create this atmosphere where people's quality of life is improved [00:14:31] based on decisions that we make where people live, work, and play. [00:14:35] I think we can do a better job whether we decide to invest some money now here [00:14:39] or find a different location that may or may not be more shaded [00:14:41] or plant some trees around this location. [00:14:43] If there's any possibility of doing such a thing, that might provide some shade. [00:14:48] Obviously you don't want the trees coming over the net and the fence [00:14:50] because then that kind of gets in the way of the ball. [00:14:53] But it's not an inviting place, especially in the summertime. [00:14:56] I don't want to go play there on a cracked tennis court in the summertime. [00:15:00] Hot. [00:15:00] And like I said, the wrap may look nice around the fence line, [00:15:05] but that's the feedback I get from residents at play there, [00:15:08] is no wind gets in there now. [00:15:09] And it's extremely hot. [00:15:11] It's not a very inviting place to play tennis. [00:15:13] I would like to have not just four nice tennis courts [00:15:16] somewhere, but even a tennis wall where you can play handball [00:15:19] or people can come, a middle school kid that [00:15:22] wants to take up a sport can maybe ride their bike up there, [00:15:25] or a high school kid or whoever, and practice tennis [00:15:27] against a wall. [00:15:28] You know, I grew up playing soccer. [00:15:29] I kicked the ball against the side of my house. [00:15:31] Broke a few windows throughout the years. [00:15:32] But that's how you get better. [00:15:34] That's how you enjoy a love for a sport. [00:15:35] And whether we do it here or somewhere else, [00:15:39] not to argue with you by any means, just my opinion, [00:15:42] I think that we need to provide this amending. [00:15:45] I think we can do a better job and better than what we have. [00:15:48] It's disappointing that it's gotten to the point [00:15:50] where the cracks are so bad that water has gotten in there. [00:15:52] And now it's so expensive to replace or repair [00:15:56] because of that. [00:15:56] But I think tennis courts are important. [00:15:59] Would it be possible to put sales over them, [00:16:02] like what we've got on the pool deck? [00:16:03] Not with the ball, I wouldn't imagine. [00:16:04] No, I mean, the ball goes high sometimes. [00:16:06] You do lob shots and whatnot. [00:16:08] Can you get the number? [00:16:10] Chopper had been talking $250,000. [00:16:12] I'm looking at a half a million. [00:16:13] What are we talking about? [00:16:16] It's the parking lot, the lights in the parking lot, [00:16:19] and lights in the tennis courts, and the tennis courts. [00:16:23] So it's a total number of a half a million. [00:16:25] But it's basically the tennis courts is a quarter million. [00:16:28] And the parking lot and the lights is a quarter million. [00:16:31] I think the breakdown, if I'm not mistaken, [00:16:33] was $299,000 or something for the tennis court part, [00:16:36] just the tennis court. [00:16:41] The number is not coming up in my head, [00:16:45] but the city manager's report to build a new tennis [00:16:47] facility at Lake Friendsville, that was half a million, right? [00:16:50] Yeah, it was over a million. [00:16:51] It was 1.3. [00:16:52] 1.3. [00:16:54] And both elements were over $600,000. [00:16:58] Correct. [00:16:59] Do we need parking there? [00:17:00] There's a lot of parking on Francis Avenue [00:17:01] right now that's underutilized. [00:17:03] It just sits there. [00:17:04] Do we need to build a huge parking [00:17:05] lot for the tennis facility? [00:17:06] No, no, it's already there. [00:17:07] It's resurfacing the one that's there. [00:17:09] No, but Ms. Manz was saying, if we [00:17:11] were to build at Francis Avenue Park, [00:17:13] the over a million dollar price included putting new parking in. [00:17:17] I think there's another whole problem there, [00:17:19] is that it's not being supervised in Francis Park. [00:17:22] And then with the middle school down the street, [00:17:24] I think it would be something besides a tennis court. [00:17:28] And it would be decorated a different way [00:17:30] than we would want it decorated. [00:17:32] Probably. [00:17:34] I just wanted to bring it up. [00:17:35] It was a lot of money, and I just didn't see the people there, [00:17:38] and I wanted you to all be knowledgeable of the use of it [00:17:41] before we threw half a million dollars at the whole project, [00:17:45] or a quarter million, actually, in the tennis courts. [00:17:47] Thank you. [00:17:49] So what is the number that we want to be there? [00:17:58] Well, the number that came before you [00:18:02] in a previous council meeting that the bid was submitted, [00:18:05] and we've got it on the next council agenda, [00:18:07] was $470,000 and change, with a $50,000 owner's contingency. [00:18:14] Now, you'll see that there's a $500,000 figure, [00:18:18] because if you were to tell us that you guys want to proceed [00:18:20] tonight, with my discussions with the city manager, [00:18:25] as well as the contractor, and looking [00:18:27] at some valued engineering things, [00:18:29] we feel very confident that we can get it below the $470,000 [00:18:33] number, not use the owner's contingency, [00:18:35] and then try to take off some of those other elements [00:18:38] that we have there, and still get a project done. [00:18:42] My thoughts on the whole thing, and as Councilman Chopper [00:18:46] and I had our discussion, you have two facilities now, [00:18:49] basically, out there. [00:18:50] You have the tennis courts, and you have the parking lot. [00:18:53] If I strictly look at it from a facility that the city owns, [00:18:57] I would say the priority would have to be the tennis court, [00:19:00] not because somebody plays tennis, [00:19:02] but simply because the condition of your facility. [00:19:05] And when I think about, could we wait another year, [00:19:08] or another two years, yes, you could. [00:19:11] The reports that we had came out and said [00:19:13] that there isn't any kind of activity [00:19:17] underneath the courts that would make it [00:19:20] to where it would open up, and we'd [00:19:21] have this catastrophic loss. [00:19:23] So you technically could wait, but if you wait, [00:19:28] your number's just going to be inflated. [00:19:30] You've got some major erosion that's [00:19:33] on the east side that has to be rectified. [00:19:36] Your electrical system, if you do the parking lot, [00:19:40] or if you do the tennis courts, the electrical system [00:19:44] is all tied together. [00:19:46] That's an immediate hazard. [00:19:47] So I understand the large amount. [00:19:51] Do you have those pictures? [00:19:52] No, it's not. [00:19:53] And that was when we were talking [00:19:55] about the valued engineering. [00:19:57] That was one of the things that the contract said. [00:19:59] Did you happen to bring those pictures? [00:20:00] We did. [00:20:01] Oh, OK. [00:20:02] Can this, can I, you got the gun? [00:20:14] Yeah, no, just go back to the other picture. [00:20:22] This is the south side. [00:20:25] This is south side. [00:20:26] And one of the borings you can see is about right here. [00:20:29] And this one's got a line going like this and a line like that. [00:20:32] There's nothing over here. [00:20:33] This may show that there's spots. [00:20:35] But there's no, really no cracks on this side. [00:20:38] The cracks are on this side. [00:20:39] And there's two real bad spots here. [00:20:41] Can you use the microphone, please? [00:20:43] Oh, thank you. [00:20:47] But there's another, there's a, yay, there you go. [00:20:50] There's another side. [00:20:51] This is on the parking lot side. [00:20:53] And this is the north courts. [00:20:57] No, the south courts. [00:20:58] Do you have a picture of the next ones, the north courts on the inside? [00:21:03] No, that's a boring. [00:21:03] That's a boring. [00:21:04] You can see that's where the borings are and that's where the cracks are. [00:21:07] These are on the north, same thing. [00:21:09] Do we have another one? [00:21:12] No, that's not the one I'm looking for. [00:21:14] Just about where this picture's being taken, is that in the right direction? [00:21:22] No, right over here, is this where it's eroding? [00:21:26] The one erosion that we saw was on the outside over here, on this court, [00:21:32] the erosion on the inside is on this one. [00:21:36] And so you get somebody over there, they get up next to the fence, [00:21:40] they could actually twist their ankle. [00:21:42] But so even if we didn't do anything this year, [00:21:46] we're going to have to do something along this side and what the part you [00:21:50] just saw over on this side. [00:21:53] The problem that they also have, that Robert relayed to me, [00:21:57] is these aren't, Barrett, I think, actually brought it up, [00:22:01] that these aren't slanted enough that the water ends up [00:22:04] settling on the courts themselves. [00:22:07] So that's just going to cause more damage around these cracks, [00:22:10] more water is going to go underneath. [00:22:12] So if we don't do anything, we're going to have to shut the courts [00:22:17] on the south side off, down anyhow, there's too much damage. [00:22:22] But I just wanted everybody to know, because I didn't understand, [00:22:25] I saw the half million and I didn't, tennis court's a half million, [00:22:28] just like you see here, but, you know, it's only really a quarter [00:22:32] of a million that's going to fix these things. [00:22:36] Is that all the pictures? [00:22:38] Right. [00:22:40] See, this is all, go back one. [00:22:44] No, I don't know what, no, that's the outside, that's the outside part. [00:22:51] This is on the east side, on the southeast side, the north side, [00:22:56] the north side, northeast side, it's all eroded along in here. [00:23:02] I think you had a picture of that, the first picture you had. [00:23:06] No, see, that's the outside too. [00:23:09] That's the outside on the south courts. [00:23:12] Almost pinching underneath the fence though. [00:23:14] Let's see what's going to happen here, especially these south courts, [00:23:18] the water's going to go into the cracks, it's going to eat away [00:23:20] at the sub, you know, sub, whatever they call it, some basin, [00:23:26] and then it's going to wash out right here. [00:23:28] Well, that has to be an embarrassing picture to the staff. [00:23:32] I mean, come on. [00:23:33] Well, and it's how you get in the courts, you walk right up there. [00:23:35] Right, so we need to fix it. [00:23:36] Yeah, but I'm saying when I saw half a million, I had to go see that and I wanted. [00:23:40] Well, when I see half the figures, it blows my mind, you know, [00:23:43] the parking lot for Gloria Swanson, it all blows my mind, [00:23:45] what stuff costs, but it needs to be fixed. [00:23:47] Yeah, but as I said, I needed to go see. [00:23:49] You know, I didn't see anybody going there. [00:23:51] It's going to shut it down at some point, but I wanted to go see it. [00:23:55] I said I'd bring it up and show you guys what it was. [00:23:58] So, to answer the question, you're still having the budget, the entirety of the project, [00:24:03] and so we've talked about it being a big figure and what we need to do, [00:24:07] and we've had this chat. [00:24:08] Is there any outcome that we should be kind of giving you direction on? [00:24:12] Because I'm open to... [00:24:15] We would want to know if you all want to continue with the full project [00:24:19] and then we'll bring it to you next Tuesday if you don't. [00:24:23] Well, let me say one other thing, as we sat here, as Robert and Barrett and I discussed this, [00:24:30] too, when we're out there, if we tie in, maybe tie in paving, [00:24:36] when we're paving the streets to bring them over and pave that parking lot, [00:24:40] we don't have to re-mobilize, so that may save us a buck or two. [00:24:45] So, when we start playing with all these numbers, with this half a million dollars [00:24:49] in this contingency 50,000 and stuff, we might be around 420 when it's all said and done, too. [00:24:57] No, we either need to fix it or bulldoze it, basically, [00:25:01] because it's not going to be safe and fairly short-lived. [00:25:04] I think it's better to fix it than spend $1.2 million to build a new school. [00:25:07] Yeah, I mean, it's part of a product that we offer in the city, a recreational product. [00:25:11] We got one bid on this, is that correct? [00:25:14] Correct, after three. [00:25:15] So, you know, going out to bid again is another option, you know, [00:25:20] modifying it, trying to make it better. [00:25:22] I know it's work, but often times when you only get one bid, I know you... [00:25:26] We've modified it three times and put it out to an advertisement three times. [00:25:32] And nobody wants to do it? [00:25:35] What does that mean? [00:25:36] That means that the construction is really hot. [00:25:40] I caused a bit of a delay as well, because when I first saw the figure, [00:25:45] and when you first brought it to us at council, it was all tied in together, [00:25:49] and I was like, whoa, you know, it seems like you guys have broken it down now, [00:25:52] I understand, so I didn't mean to delay it, I just... [00:25:55] Yeah, well, that's what brought it to my mind, [00:25:57] and that's why I wanted to go look and met with them. [00:26:00] Well, just to segue back to our discussion at our last work session [00:26:03] about the timing of when the city purchased land or did things, [00:26:07] and then expenses are high, you know, oil prices are at the lowest they are, [00:26:12] so asphalt should be as cheap as it's been, [00:26:14] because it ties to the oil prices, I know that. [00:26:19] So, but having the availability of somebody to come out and build something [00:26:23] and get it done when they're all tied up with a building and construction boom right now, [00:26:31] but it looks like it's, you know, going fast, [00:26:34] so, Lord knows, I'd leave it to somebody in the construction business. [00:26:39] Well, we couldn't, even if we delayed it, we'd have to deal with this side here [00:26:44] and then the others, the whole east side we'd have to deal with anyhow. [00:26:47] So, we're going to lob this back into your court and you can... [00:26:50] Oh, here we go. [00:26:54] At your meeting next Tuesday is to approve the bid award [00:26:58] and let us go forward with the project. [00:27:02] One other thing that Robert brought up, [00:27:03] that might be the thickness of the parking lot. [00:27:06] There's a variance there and it might change the price a little bit, too. [00:27:10] Okay. [00:27:13] So, we're leaving in. [00:27:14] Yes, we're moving forward. [00:27:16] Because we do recommendations sometimes. [00:27:22] Oftentimes. [00:27:25] The next project that we have is the Cody River Improvements. [00:27:29] This project consists of replacing the ropes around the existing bollards [00:27:34] and replacing the bollards that are in need of replacing [00:27:38] that have been hit by vehicles or started to rot. [00:27:45] And that would consist of pouring concrete footers around those [00:27:49] and removing the rope and installing more. [00:27:52] I'm sorry, that's page 16? [00:27:54] Yeah, we're still on 16. [00:27:57] Are we looking at a different type of look? [00:28:01] You said get rid of the ropes. [00:28:02] At this point, we'll be replacing the existing rope. [00:28:08] Oh, okay. [00:28:09] It'll look the same, though, when it's replaced? [00:28:10] Yes. [00:28:11] Okay. [00:28:14] I think that's kind of a nautical look. [00:28:16] Yeah, it's nice. [00:28:17] It's just nasty at the moment. [00:28:21] And we have tried to take and do the pressure washing and clean it up, [00:28:27] but it's beyond that. [00:28:28] There's a certain point with rope where if you try pressure washing to clean it, [00:28:33] it's just going to disintegrate on you. [00:28:39] The next project we have is the Meadows Dog Park Upgrades. [00:28:43] This year will be engineering services, and the following year will be construction. [00:28:48] The upgrades includes the removal and replacement of the existing playground, [00:28:52] the replacement of the existing shelter, bathroom rehabilitation, [00:28:58] trail and path improvements, and the removal and replacement of the existing fence, [00:29:03] as well as some improvements to the parking lot, replacement of sod, [00:29:08] and signage improvements. [00:29:11] That one kind of woke me up. [00:29:13] We were doing all this for dogs, and then I realized it's the whole park, [00:29:16] and that's for kids and adults and everybody. [00:29:20] It's actually a fairly nice-sized park. [00:29:23] It's a nice wooded area behind it there. [00:29:25] So that dollar amount is $50,000. [00:29:32] The following project that we're proposing is the skate park project. [00:29:38] That is for engineering services as well for the design in the amount of $25,000, [00:29:45] and that work is the removal of the existing skateboard park [00:29:48] and the construction of a new one. [00:29:50] Good. [00:29:52] People do use that. [00:29:56] Keeps them out of downtown sometimes. [00:29:58] I was going to say, I wish they'd used it. [00:30:00] it more and use the stuff downtown-wise. [00:30:03] Page 17, the next project that we have is the construction of the new fire station. [00:30:12] This would be located on the northeast corner of Marine Parkway and Grand Boulevard. [00:30:17] The station will replace the existing fire station number 2, located off of High Street [00:30:23] in the Tanglewood Terrace subdivision. [00:30:25] The new station construction would include a 4-bay structure with expandability of up [00:30:31] to a 6-bay if needed in the future. [00:30:35] Additional features of the station would consist of separate hot zone areas, auxiliary power, [00:30:42] decon area, state-of-the-art safety features, and up-to-date living quarters. [00:30:48] In addition to the new construction of this station, we would also have upgrades to the [00:30:53] existing fire station number 1, located at City Hall. [00:30:58] I just want to provide a correction to that description. [00:31:02] The new station will actually include a construction of a 2-bay structure with the ability to expand [00:31:08] to a 3-bay. [00:31:09] There's only one fireman here to support that. [00:31:12] I thought the whole team would be here, the whole squad, even those that are off. [00:31:19] That one carries a lot of weight, yeah. [00:31:22] We're calling out for the engineering at $200,000 and the construction at $2.5 million. [00:31:31] Are we already into the engineering or into the design? [00:31:34] Yes, we are. [00:31:35] Yeah. [00:31:36] We've seen some preliminary design work. [00:31:39] Most of it relates to orienting the footprint of the building on the property and ingress [00:31:47] and egress from the property. [00:31:48] We'll get further into design in the coming weeks, and we'll be making presentations to [00:31:54] you in that respect. [00:31:58] The next project that we have is the HEAC control system server upgrades for the police [00:32:05] department. [00:32:07] This is in the amount of $50,000. [00:32:12] This is all part of our deficiency analysis that we did that identified the different [00:32:18] facilities that we have and the upgrades that were recommended to them. [00:32:23] The following project is the library facility improvements. [00:32:28] We have an amount of $200,000 for engineering and $1.3 million for construction. [00:32:37] The remaining part of the project will be completed. [00:32:42] It will continue into next year in the amount of $500,000, so our total would be $1.8 million. [00:32:48] Obviously, you all are familiar with this project. [00:32:51] It includes several different items. [00:32:54] The elements would include interior painting, repurposing, reconstruction of several rooms [00:33:00] and office spaces, carpet replacement, ceiling tile replacement, replacement of furniture, [00:33:07] the installation of solar roof panels, the removal of the existing windows and the installation [00:33:13] of impact storm hardened windows, mechanical elements such as electrical lighting, sprinkler [00:33:20] and fire alarm upgrades and rework are identified as well, and those mechanical elements were [00:33:25] identified in the need assessment that was performed. [00:33:34] Our next project is the seawall stabilization. [00:33:37] This is phase four, and the location here is the Jasmine Park seawall. [00:33:43] If you remember back in 2017, we performed an assessment of all of the existing conditions [00:33:49] of our seawalls. [00:33:51] Jasmine was the final area that was ranked, and this will conclude all of the rehab for [00:33:58] all of the seawalls. [00:34:00] The scope of work here includes the pressure washing, stabilization, venting, patching [00:34:07] and removal and replacement of seawall sections as well as the construction of sidewalk with [00:34:13] pavers. [00:34:14] We have engineering at $10,000 and construction. [00:34:19] There is a typo in that. [00:34:20] The construction, the $150,000 is an estimate of what we thought we were going to spend. [00:34:26] The project actually is $350,000, and that will be updated. [00:34:34] The next one that we have is the Sims Park boat ramp improvements. [00:34:40] This budget amount of $600,000 is for the potential expansion site acquisition, if we're [00:34:48] able to do that. [00:34:50] And then of course, later phases would include installation of a larger restroom, extension [00:34:57] of the boat ramp, and seawall connecting to the shelters and the construction of two additional [00:35:05] shelters as well. [00:35:06] Mr. Mayor, if I might? [00:35:08] Yes, please. [00:35:09] We discussed this earlier. [00:35:10] I think it might behoove all of us, if we know county commissioners, to reach out to [00:35:13] them personally to discuss this project and what we discussed during this area meeting [00:35:16] rather than this man just reaching out to Mr. Biles. [00:35:20] A lot could be accomplished that way. [00:35:23] Including the winter of the primary coming up here in a couple of days. [00:35:28] I mean, really, no time like right away when they want to make promises to get elected. [00:35:34] Yeah, we've got to do it before next Tuesday. [00:35:37] Well, after the primary. [00:35:39] Well, then through that, too, yeah. [00:35:41] So page 18. [00:35:43] This is the one I'm waiting for. [00:35:46] It includes the Marine Parkway pedestrian bridge. [00:35:49] And we have a dollar amount of $100,000. [00:35:54] And we're very familiar with this project. [00:35:56] This is the construction of a bicycle pedestrian bridge ramp system over U.S. Highway 19 at [00:36:05] Marine Parkway. [00:36:12] This is, oh, I'm sorry. [00:36:14] I'm waiting for you to come to the next one. [00:36:16] The Nebraska one. [00:36:21] Nebraska parking lot. [00:36:23] The next project that we have here is the Nebraska Avenue parking lot. [00:36:33] This includes the redesign and construction improvements to the existing city-owned parking [00:36:43] lot south of Nebraska Avenue behind the Ritchie Suncoast Theater. [00:36:49] And it will be combined with the newly acquired Pasco County parking lot located adjacent [00:36:55] to it to the west. [00:36:59] And the improvements include hardscaping, landscaping, irrigation system installations, [00:37:05] LED lighting upgrades, the paving improvements, sidewalk improvements, as well as bringing [00:37:14] the existing conditions up to today's standards such as ADA compliance. [00:37:19] And then finally, the re-striping of the parking lot. [00:37:23] And we have an amount of $1,025,000. [00:37:33] And that would include $25,000 for engineering and $1,000,000 for construction. [00:37:40] We're basing that dollar amount on the cost of the Gloria Swanson parking lot project [00:37:48] upgrades, which had come in at $992,000. [00:37:53] I think this is a discussion I really want to have because if I had the opportunity to [00:37:59] encourage us to move the bike trail overpass process, whether it's the overpass or the [00:38:06] bike trails forward, because I think this is kind of trying to tag off of Chopper's [00:38:13] logic when he was talking about waiting for Kaiser University to finish. [00:38:17] We had some urgency in this because we expected that Mr. Pridgen was going to do something [00:38:23] with his property and we were also concerned we wouldn't have enough parking for the [00:38:27] Hacienda. [00:38:28] We've got the surface parking now. [00:38:31] It's my understanding that there's uncertainty as to what he would plan to do with the [00:38:37] property across from the Hacienda. [00:38:41] And to me, spending $1,000,000 to put a parking lot in without the private dollars identifying [00:38:51] how they're going to line up around that, we could find ourselves in possession of that [00:38:58] if Mr. Pridgen wants to move out to the highway or do something else. [00:39:03] But if he doesn't have any current plans, and he apparently has indicated that he doesn't [00:39:09] at the moment, I would like to move forward with the things that are exciting. [00:39:17] And we've got the parking spaces there. [00:39:19] We can add more and we can talk about more, but we're just paying $3,000,000 for our [00:39:25] half of the parking garage. [00:39:28] And for the cost of a little shuttle and a back and forth from Main Street and creating [00:39:35] some sense of touristy activity, I think we could handle the cars that we're going to [00:39:43] need to park until we figure out what's going to go with it, whether it's housing or retail [00:39:49] or the county still hasn't given us the building. [00:39:53] They're leasing the land to us, but I don't see the return or investment. [00:39:59] I think of parking lots like in the CRA as being a CRA come along with some development [00:40:04] plans and get a parking lot. [00:40:06] The Hacienda got the parking lot because they're opening up and they're going to create [00:40:12] economic activity. [00:40:15] I don't know of any economic activity that's going to be created by this parking lot [00:40:19] at this point in time. [00:40:22] I tend to agree with that. [00:40:24] There's probably some minor things we could do to clean it up, but there might be [00:40:29] some point when that vacant property is developed that we wouldn't square up that parking lot. [00:40:35] And especially to the west side, it might be two or three times as large. [00:40:41] There might be an abandonment of Nebraska at that point. [00:40:45] We just don't know. [00:40:47] And I think spending a million dollars with a not know, I get questioned. [00:40:53] Point is definitely taken. [00:40:57] It's my opinion that the Hacienda is going to do well, especially once we start getting [00:41:03] past COVID life and back to normal. [00:41:07] I personally don't think there's nearly enough parking downtown to sustain the Hacienda, [00:41:11] even with the improvements to the Gloria Swanson parking lot. [00:41:14] I understand what you're saying. [00:41:15] It'd be great if we knew what was going to happen there with Mr. Pridgen's property. [00:41:19] He could sit on it for ten more years for all we know. [00:41:22] That parking lot is in very poor shape. [00:41:24] Why this is important to me is I honestly believe that we need this parking for the Hacienda hotel. [00:41:30] With staff parking, with people coming, it's going to be successful. [00:41:34] We're going to need parking. [00:41:36] People aren't going to want to come stay at a hotel and walk from the parking lot [00:41:40] over here by City Hall, across from Christina's, down to the hotel, especially with luggage. [00:41:46] I know you can drop luggage off. [00:41:48] I'm just very – a lot of concern about the parking with the Hacienda opening up. [00:41:53] I really do. [00:41:54] That's why I think this is important. [00:41:56] We discussed employee parking as possibly going down to the structure we're building. [00:42:01] They can walk three blocks down to the Hacienda for eight hours and then walk back. [00:42:07] We discussed that it wasn't – the parking downtown was not available to staff. [00:42:11] And then the other thing is we had – I don't remember the name of the group that came in. [00:42:17] When we discussed possibly doing the parking structure in that area, [00:42:23] and they told us we didn't even need parking, any more parking than we already had. [00:42:28] And the Hacienda wasn't open then when that conversation took place as well. [00:42:30] No, but they were aware that it was coming. [00:42:33] Right. [00:42:34] I'm just saying, make sure you bring all those things up. [00:42:38] Both your points are taken. [00:42:39] I'm just trying to look at it from both sides. [00:42:41] We don't know exactly how the parking structure is going to work. [00:42:44] You know, there's a lot – we talked about there's a lot to be determined yet with that [00:42:48] as far as the college parking, whether or not – when that hotel is going to go in, if it does go in. [00:42:54] I just think it would be really, really disappointing if the Hacienda opens up and does well, [00:42:59] and the restaurant downstairs does well, [00:43:01] and then there's no parking for the tenants of the hotel. [00:43:04] I think that's going to look like poor planning on our part. [00:43:07] That's my biggest concern. [00:43:08] You all know I'm on my way out. [00:43:10] I'm going to be here for a couple more months, [00:43:13] and then someone else will be sitting in this chair. [00:43:14] So I'm just giving you my thoughts before I leave. [00:43:16] Your points are well taken. [00:43:18] I wish we knew exactly what's happened with Mr. Pritchard's property. [00:43:21] He's on that for a long time now. [00:43:22] Yeah. [00:43:23] And it seemed, well, I might do this, I might do that, I might do – [00:43:25] I've seen a lot of mights, you know, along the years with him. [00:43:28] And, you know, I appreciate his interest and his investment in our downtown. [00:43:32] That's just my biggest concern is having – the Hacienda is the cornerstone of our downtown. [00:43:37] It's going to be – it's on the shirt, you know what I mean? [00:43:40] It's our logo. [00:43:41] It's that important. [00:43:42] I believe it's the biggest – the most important building by far in our downtown corridor. [00:43:47] And I really believe that people are going to come here to stay in that historic hotel, [00:43:51] just like they do over in Mount Dora. [00:43:53] And I just want to – once again, I'll just reiterate my point one more time. [00:43:57] If you guys want to table this, I'm okay – like, not tabling, [00:44:00] but if you want to put the million dollars off for a year or two, that's your decision for sure. [00:44:05] But that's just my biggest concern. [00:44:07] If the Hacienda opens up, does well, and we don't have sufficient parking around it, [00:44:10] it's going to make all of us look pretty bad. [00:44:12] I would be inclined, if we're going to do the parking lot in the upcoming fiscal year, [00:44:21] to design it in such a way that if the opportunity – the chopper suggested about squaring off – [00:44:30] Do we have that opportunity? [00:44:33] – would be to design it in such a way that if we can, then, [00:44:38] run Nebraska all the way over to whatever that is by Before Brady's [00:44:47] and square it off that we could then vacate that one portion of the – [00:44:51] Nebraska. [00:44:52] – Nebraska, the Curves Street, and then make the parking lot bigger. [00:44:57] Is any of the – [00:45:00] work that you've done on this yet, have any idea of how many parking spots we're going to have? [00:45:05] Go ahead. No, I was just going to tell you we're at 90 percent as far as the design goes and to [00:45:13] address your comment, we are calling for the retention area that's over there towards the west [00:45:19] to kind of shift over. So if you ever did have to take and square off what you all are talking about, [00:45:26] it's doable. I mean, you wouldn't be tearing up, you might be, you would end up demolishing the [00:45:33] sidewalk that's on the parking lot side if you wanted to take and expand it out and square it [00:45:39] off. That wouldn't be terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things. What are your thoughts? [00:45:46] The efficiency though of an improved layout in that lot yields us an additional 25 parking spots [00:45:53] in the downtown. And once again, if we can get those county vehicles out of there, which I think [00:45:58] we're going to need to do with the Hacienda, but what are your, give me your feedback, I'm not [00:46:01] trying to argue, and what are your thoughts about the Hacienda parking? If you honestly believe it's [00:46:06] going to be sufficient enough. How many units again? Well, we've offered what, we've offered [00:46:10] 48 from Gloria Swanson to the Hacienda, is that correct? I'm sorry, we have offered half? Yeah, [00:46:18] 48 spots or something, is that the number? I don't recall specifically half of the number, [00:46:23] but it's about 48. Okay, let's say there's 48, there's 40 rooms, so that's one per room, [00:46:29] you know, and then of course you've got the people eating and all that stuff, you know. [00:46:33] You know, I understand this, but that point that if you're already designing it to [00:46:38] allow for growth without having a major Gloria Swanson overhaul, you know, if we ended up being [00:46:44] able to square it out and it would work, then I don't have any problem growth, because I, [00:46:49] but of course I would like to, there's a bunch of parking spots up close to one building that [00:46:55] I'd love to have part of this parking lot too, you know. Yeah. But does that grass, [00:47:02] is that grass area separating the parking next to the theater and our parking lot, is that? [00:47:08] It's owned by Joe Toluca. So he owns all that, so we... He does, and he's indicated he's not [00:47:13] interested in participating in the project. Unless he sells us the building. [00:47:20] So my request, I know you say you're 95 percent design, but I'm just telling you that I'd like [00:47:27] to see the design that fits with the development of that part of town. And we have the Hacienda, [00:47:34] I think we've got with the time that it's taken to go through that parking lot, it's been under [00:47:38] construction now for four or five months, we'd probably be better off not to have construction [00:47:42] going on when the Hacienda does open. Use the parking lot we have, see how it goes, [00:47:49] make arrangements, and the guy came in and offered to sell advertisement if we would give him what, [00:47:56] five grand or ten grand, I don't know what the number was, to run free cabs up and down and [00:48:02] create some vibe, and we found that that was expensive. So 25 parking spaces for a million [00:48:09] dollars, although a beautiful lot, an improvement to the town, I'm not knocking the value of it, [00:48:17] but I have been pushing personally for this over the bridge, pedestrian bridge, and we are [00:48:26] having someone interested in potentially annexing into the city who sees that facility as a chance [00:48:31] to connect a project that could be an annexation. So I think that I would like to see the pedestrian [00:48:37] bridge design, and I know the DOT is ready, it looks like you've got some programmed already. [00:48:44] I'd like to push the parking lot out, and then we can backfill when we decide. If it turns out [00:48:52] that we need it, we can add it. It's just once these things get in paper, you guys get the green [00:48:57] light to go, you're 95% done with the design. We haven't. You just got done with the stormwater [00:49:05] thing, you've got new storm pipes, I don't, you know, we've got land to develop and economy to build. [00:49:13] I'd like to hear Mr. Murphy's thoughts. When would this be completed, this parking lot, if we [00:49:17] went forward with it? It would be completed probably by the summer. Next summer? And do we have any kind [00:49:25] of indications of when the... Likely about the same time, the hacienda. About the same time? Yes. So it'd be [00:49:31] right on schedule, and there's no talk... That's the way we planned it. Mr. Mayor, how do we proceed here? [00:49:38] I mean... Can I just ask another question? That grass area that they just talked about, [00:49:44] is eminent domain play a part in any of this? I would say that that would be a [00:49:56] very difficult argument to make. Okay. The only [00:50:05] argument I can see presented would be for economic development purposes. [00:50:11] Under the law, that's not allowed at all. So I think it would be very difficult. Okay, then one [00:50:17] other question. Has 90% done been shown to Joe DeLuca? Yes. And he still has no interest? No. [00:50:29] What did the 90% cost us thus far? I don't know. Planning and everything? [00:50:35] Off the top of my head. I mean, would you guesstimate 20 grand, 200 grand? [00:50:39] I don't know. Probably 40. Maybe 100. Maybe $100,000 already in it. 80, 100. [00:50:46] So Mr. Mayor, we don't have council here. I don't know how we proceed. If we do a vote to keep it in [00:50:52] or take it out, or what y'all... How's the work session? Well, this is a work session. I bring [00:50:57] these things up and want to talk about these things so we're all aware of what's going on. [00:51:01] It's not that I'm disagreeing with it. I just want all the facts on the table. I'm interested in this, [00:51:07] but I'm interested in this as long as it has the ability to be squared up at the other end. [00:51:12] And I'm sorry Mr. DeLuca doesn't get it. Because he's going to look at it afterwards when he tries [00:51:20] to sell his property and people are going to say, well, why did you hook in with a parking lot? [00:51:23] Would have been part of your gig. And then he's going to be like, how much more money could he [00:51:28] have made on his property if he had a valid parking lot right behind his place? Instead of a [00:51:33] sandlot. I like your idea of having Nebraska go all the way to the Befoe Brady. And I mean, [00:51:39] so to me, there's potential design issues and you don't lose anything with design. You can [00:51:46] keep it on the shelf and put it in when you're ready. You can leave it in there if you want. I [00:51:51] mean, it'll come up to us for a vote, but it's always harder to make this argument once it gets [00:51:57] on the paper. So I'm just... No, and it's a great discussion for sure, because I understand your [00:52:01] point. And I'm just trying to look at it from both sides. So is it going to come up to us just [00:52:07] when we vote on the finalization of the budget? How would that work between now and then? [00:52:13] It'll come up when we present the final budget to you for a vote. And that is September 1st [00:52:23] to hearing is September 10th and then the 27th. But then we also got to approve it down the road [00:52:28] when you choose somebody to do it, right? So it's going to come up again. [00:52:32] We would go to bed and then we would bring that. [00:52:34] Yeah, so we could still nix it then if we wanted to, or put it on hold then. [00:52:39] So it's not... This isn't final. [00:52:42] But I do agree. It's a very, very important part of our downtown with a lot of moving parts. [00:52:46] Between the health department building, between Grady Pridgins property, between what you're [00:52:49] talking about with extending Nebraska. We want to be sure we do it right however we end up for [00:52:54] sure. But I think great points brought up tonight. And once again, I see that side. I'm just... [00:52:58] My biggest fear is just a hot stand and not having what it needs. [00:53:01] Well, it's just not that. It's not... But with the social and the bomb, [00:53:05] they're packing them in at the end of the night too. And if we get a lot more retail downtown, [00:53:11] that's going to fill up that parking lot too. [00:53:13] That lot is routinely pretty busy now. [00:53:17] Right. And that's why I was interested in how many more spots too. [00:53:20] What are we going to do when somebody wants to come in and do, as Grady did, [00:53:24] put in a hundred residential units? When you're talking about a 40-unit hotel, [00:53:30] which has a visitor in a car, you're now talking a hundred units with two people, [00:53:34] two cars for each one. So somebody is likely, if they do come in and say they want to do that, [00:53:40] he talked about parking garages for two years before. And the Lord knows what he had in mind [00:53:46] for that property. But I believe he's determined it's not feasible. [00:53:50] I don't know if there's space for 200 units, but... [00:53:52] Well, a hundred or eight. [00:53:53] But if they are elevated, I mean, there's a lot of options. I hear what you're saying [00:53:58] there as well. But I mean, look at Main Street Landings. There's so much parking underneath. [00:54:02] So do you have parking underneath and design it where it just looks like a [00:54:06] decorative wall? Or do you want it underneath to have all retail? I mean, there's different options. [00:54:10] I think, honestly, after living there, Main Street Landing, the way they designed the [00:54:14] parking, because there were those concerns that came up even during that design. And I'll tell [00:54:19] you, there is a ton of parking underneath. And once it's filled up, I think there's going to [00:54:23] be plenty of parking for both the residents, guests, and the retail. I mean, it was... [00:54:26] And employees. [00:54:27] What's that? [00:54:27] And employees. [00:54:28] And employees, yeah. It's just a really, really good design. I mean, most people, [00:54:31] unless you go to Main Street Landings, which Pete and I do every day, we live there, [00:54:35] and drive through that, everyone's like, well, where's everyone parking? It doesn't look full [00:54:38] because they don't see cars in the parking lot. But the amount of parking, I mean, you may not... [00:54:43] 99 spaces. [00:54:44] Underneath alone. And you don't even see the cars. It's a really, really great design, [00:54:48] and it's very effective as well. [00:54:50] We've driven up in there just to look, and it is. It's amazing how huge the parking is [00:54:56] just by having that. [00:54:57] Well, I think when the Central came, I think the number came in my mind. You might correct me, [00:55:01] but I think the Central and Main Street Landings are something around 1.75 cars per unit. [00:55:09] I was going to say one and a half, but I think you may be right. [00:55:11] But I think on the Central, it's some of the parking on the street that's included in theirs [00:55:16] where that's not so at the Main Street Landings. [00:55:19] Let's move the money over to the CRA and include it in the parking for redevelopment, [00:55:25] and let's free up the Penny for Pasco money for more broad-based improvements. [00:55:30] This is already in the TIF. [00:55:34] No, this is the Penny for Pasco. [00:55:37] Parking lot improvements? [00:55:39] Well, the $6 million is in the TIF. [00:55:43] There's not money in the CRA, though. [00:55:44] $6 million. [00:55:46] There's not money in the CRA, is there? [00:55:47] Nebraska is being funded by Penny for Pasco. That's what's being proposed. [00:55:51] And this source of funding is wrong. [00:55:54] Oh, is it? [00:55:54] Oh. [00:55:54] Not everything says Penny for Pasco. [00:55:57] It says... [00:55:58] Mine doesn't. [00:56:00] Okay, JT, you're looking at the summary. Is the summary wrong? [00:56:03] 27. [00:56:04] No, you're on 27. [00:56:06] I'll fix that. [00:56:07] Okay, where are we? [00:56:08] 19. [00:56:09] Page 18. [00:56:10] Did I remember? [00:56:11] Yeah. [00:56:11] I didn't change them both places. [00:56:13] Yeah. [00:56:15] Here's the thing, if I may. [00:56:16] The Hacienda was an economic development project. [00:56:19] We had this discussion about we have to be careful with our money, [00:56:22] make sure that we spend it to get a return on our investment. [00:56:25] We have the opportunity to say to somebody, [00:56:27] we have a million dollars for parking, and we have all this land. [00:56:31] So what are we going to do with it? [00:56:33] So how do we design something that brings more investment [00:56:41] instead of chasing behind the Hacienda for another million dollars for the parking lot? [00:56:46] And perhaps making an improved thing. [00:56:48] And we've got this whole company that we just hired to do the citywide planning. [00:56:55] Master planning? [00:56:55] Master planning. [00:56:57] And this is like we already have the drainage plan that Robert gave us a while back. [00:57:02] We just don't know what's going to happen from Missouri Avenue to Main Street [00:57:06] and from the old bait shop to Bank Street or all the way. [00:57:16] And I will remind everyone as well. [00:57:17] I don't have the list in front of me or on the top of my head, [00:57:20] but this is a top priority. [00:57:22] It's way up on the priority list with the NPO, [00:57:24] with state funding, county funding to do this overpass. [00:57:27] So if we can be successful with that, it's behind the underpass. [00:57:31] It's ahead of the overpass that's been proposed. [00:57:35] And it's on the priority list as well over where Longleaf comes out [00:57:40] to where that Pinellas Trail extends there as well. [00:57:42] So it's high up on the priority list. [00:57:44] So I'm confident we can get a lot of funding from the state level for this project. [00:57:49] So if we can get that state funding and use this penny pesky money for our needs downtown, [00:57:54] then I just want to throw that out. [00:57:55] It's not like it's lost, like it's way down the priority list. [00:57:57] It's up there high still. [00:57:58] I appreciate it. [00:57:59] It could be two years. [00:58:00] It could be three years. [00:58:01] I don't know, but it's up there. [00:58:02] It's five. [00:58:03] Can you still go to the meetings once you keep us on track? [00:58:06] Yeah. [00:58:07] Honestly, it's been the meetings have just... [00:58:08] We have a meeting Thursday. [00:58:10] We didn't have a meeting last month. [00:58:11] The meetings have been interactive via Skype, the virtual meetings. [00:58:19] And the agendas really weren't all that packed the last couple. [00:58:21] And then we were off last month and then we have a meeting Thursday. [00:58:24] So I can report back to you after Thursday's meeting. [00:58:26] I can then get a priority list again. [00:58:28] But I just want to throw that out there. [00:58:30] It is high up. [00:58:31] I can't guarantee it's going to get funded next year or the year after. [00:58:33] But it's high up on the priority list. [00:58:35] No, no, but what I was referring to is that after you leave your position, [00:58:39] your seat where you're sitting now, we still would love you to be there for us. [00:58:42] No, I can't. [00:58:43] So y'all will have to figure that out, whoever takes my seat. [00:58:46] If you want that representative on the NPO, if you guys want to switch stuff around. [00:58:49] I know you've been very interested in the NPO, Councilman Altman. [00:58:52] So I'm not telling you all what to do. [00:58:54] But it might be something you're interested in taking. [00:58:57] We're going to get along the best with our county commissioners. [00:59:00] Well, that project there, too. [00:59:02] We have a lot of stuff we have to do ahead of that, too, [00:59:04] to even get that project going forward, too. [00:59:06] Like the land acquisition. [00:59:08] The state's not even going to look at it until we get that acquisition done. [00:59:11] But we are looking to get that. [00:59:13] Yeah, so I mean, it's a couple years out for sure. [00:59:15] But we've got stuff. [00:59:16] Hold on. [00:59:17] We have stuff we have to do before we can even get that ball rolling. [00:59:21] All right. [00:59:21] If we can keep moving. [00:59:24] This is just going to stay here right now. [00:59:25] Because it's got to come in front of us a couple more times before... [00:59:33] So we should leave it for now and continue to proceed to construction documents. [00:59:44] Well, you've got 90% done and then... [00:59:46] Right. [00:59:46] ...bring to us. [00:59:46] Yeah. [00:59:47] Okay. [00:59:47] But like you said, this is a work session. [00:59:49] Let's put it all on the table. [00:59:51] Don't panic yet. [00:59:52] We haven't taken anything away. [00:59:53] No. [00:59:54] If you say it's 90% done, but we're going to proceed to construction documents. [00:59:58] We've already created... [01:00:00] construction documents. Yes, you are. Yeah, we have to complete them. You might as well get them. Yeah, you'll have one more review, then we will have the construction documents, and then you can decide, I guess, because the next step would be your bid phase. So, you know, do you want to continue with that or not? That would be your next step. You can always go ahead and finish. If you've budgeted your money, you can go ahead and do your bid phase, and then you've got a complete set of documents, a complete set of bid documents to go with it. [01:00:30] To where all you're doing is inserting your different dates, or this or that, and just updating it. So, I mean, you can go all the way to the end. [01:00:38] Well, my goal is to bring Grady Bridge into a head. You know, as you said, it's been a long time. We had a lot of discussion about what we're going to do. [01:00:44] There's people in town like old Walt Casson want to see that old property sit there and have a few trees on it and be a nice place to walk around downtown. [01:00:53] And there's other people that, you know, might do something else with it. But if we can flush him out to what he wants to do, maybe then the city manager does another one of her CRA, RFP type of things. [01:01:06] This is what we've designed. Here's our parking spaces. Who's going to have an idea of what to do with this part of town? [01:01:14] Because it's a critical part of our city, it's the other link from the gateway. Then all of a sudden you're walking across to still get to the downtown. [01:01:22] Robert Altman might want to be there for the groundbreaking, too. [01:01:28] Robert? [01:01:29] The attorney, right? [01:01:31] Bob. [01:01:32] Bob Lindy? [01:01:33] My father was the owner of it, but yeah, Robert and Tom are both there. [01:01:37] Yeah, so they might want to be there for that. [01:01:39] I doubt it. [01:01:41] Mr. Rivera. [01:01:43] The Grand Boulevard multi-use path project. This would be what we would call phase one, and it would include the engineering services for design documents. [01:01:57] We propose to design a multi-use path from the downtown area south along Grand Boulevard to Marine Parkway. [01:02:05] The path would then be connected to the existing shared use path on the southwest corner of Grand Boulevard and Marine Parkway. [01:02:15] The construction part is expected to be completed in several phases over multiple years, but we would want to see a 100% set of documents to where as we built it, [01:02:27] we could just blend right in to the next phase and not have to do any kind of demo, but just work it out that way. [01:02:35] So we've got $250,000 budgeted for that. [01:02:40] This is going to be huge for our city. I can't wait to see the finished product and design and everything. It's going to be great. [01:02:46] So on the next page, page 19, summarizes the funding for the projects that Robert just went over. [01:02:52] We have penny for PASCO funding at $2,278,720, and that funding source did receive a significant reduction in the estimates from the state, [01:03:05] just an item I wanted to point out. [01:03:09] We also expect grant funding at $50,000, $15,000 in interest and other revenue, $3.7 million in USDA loan proceeds, [01:03:20] which would fund the library renovations and the fire station improvements, [01:03:26] and then a prior reserve, our use of prior funds of roughly $1.8 million. [01:03:35] So that would get us to a total funding of $7,918,290, [01:03:41] and that is reduced by a transfer to the general fund to cover capital projects and purchases of $593,290, [01:03:52] and then a transfer to the street improvement fund to fund the street paving program. [01:04:00] That's it. [01:04:04] So the next division that we have is the Water and Sewer Construction Fund, 405. [01:04:12] The first project that we're proposing is the Fleet and Purchasing Warehouse Facility construction project. [01:04:19] We would be proposing to do the design development, the design, [01:04:25] as well as the build all in the next coming year. [01:04:29] The amount that we have is $350,000 for engineering and a construction budget of $2 million. [01:04:35] Not only would it include the construction of a new building for those two divisions, [01:04:41] but it would also rehab the existing 1973 structure. [01:04:46] We would go ahead and repurpose that to house equipment and material storage that right now is left outside, [01:04:55] so that would consist of performing some build and hardening and doing some minor repairs to the structure. [01:05:04] The new building would include operational improvements such as electric and hybrid vehicle maintenance [01:05:11] and repair areas, electric vehicle charging stations, [01:05:15] hazardous storage areas, welding area, washdown areas for equipment, [01:05:21] as well as a secured area for our utility and fleet inventory. [01:05:27] It's on Pine Hill? [01:05:28] Yes, sir. [01:05:29] Where are they going to be for the six months of rebuild? [01:05:33] Build on the same property and then take that building down? [01:05:36] Exactly. [01:05:37] Okay. [01:05:38] Will this enable you to clear out the backside of the rec department there [01:05:43] where all of those barns and all the rec center you're talking about? [01:05:50] Yes, the rec center. [01:05:51] You've got that hole. [01:05:52] In Indiana there? [01:05:53] Yes, that's a mess of structures. [01:05:59] It might allow us to clean up that site, but we would still propose, [01:06:02] we have in the budget for the grounds division that we have a storage shed, [01:06:08] one of those industrial ones that we'd be able to house equipment that we use on a daily basis at Sims Park. [01:06:15] I remember you telling us that Pine Hill, the trip from Pine Hill back to the town, [01:06:20] creates additional travel, et cetera. [01:06:23] That's why you're keeping the maintenance stuff in town closer? [01:06:26] Correct. [01:06:30] That would be ready. [01:06:31] That will be the next one, I'm guessing, after you do this one. [01:06:36] A lot of land back there could be used better. [01:06:41] Our next project that we have is basically a reactive project [01:06:45] where we have money budgeted in the amount of $25,000 [01:06:48] for any type of right-of-way facility irrigation expansion of any of our systems. [01:06:59] The following project would be the Great Preserve reclaimed expansion, [01:07:03] and that ties in with the project that we talked about earlier as far as the gravel parking lot. [01:07:09] We would tie into our reclaimed line on Congress and go ahead and install that [01:07:14] and extend it to the other side of the parcel that we would be putting the parking lot on [01:07:21] to where we'd get that line on the other side. [01:07:23] Then as we move in phases of expanding the area, [01:07:27] we would be able to supply reclaimed water to the upland area of the Great Preserve. [01:07:40] Our next project, again, is a reactive. [01:07:45] It is the potable and reclaimed water system extensions. [01:07:48] These are miscellaneous projects that do come about. [01:07:52] An example would be where there are no public utilities. [01:07:56] Let's say somebody's well goes out or something and they need water [01:08:00] or somebody wants to come on board in our system and we need to get to them, [01:08:05] we would use these funds here to be able to do that. [01:08:11] The Grand Boulevard Bridge, is that part of what you're talking about on page 35 then? [01:08:17] Is that where we're at? [01:08:19] No, I'm still on 34. [01:08:25] Out in the middle, the next project that we have is the Pasco County Interconnect [01:08:30] backflow prevention upgrades. [01:08:33] This is phase four. [01:08:35] We've been coming to you over the years now where all of our interconnect [01:08:38] and our backflow prevention devices are located and upgrading those facilities. [01:08:44] This one is located at Trouble Creek Road in US-19, [01:08:48] and it's the interconnect that ties into Pasco County. [01:08:53] We have $65,000 budgeted for the construction for those upgrades. [01:09:02] The next one is the Orangewood Lakes water system improvements, [01:09:07] and this includes the construction and the engineering services for construction phase. [01:09:15] I'm still on 34. [01:09:17] Page 43, Pete. [01:09:22] Went backwards, are we? [01:09:23] No, no, no. [01:09:24] If you're looking at the description, description page 43. [01:09:27] Yeah, the description's on 43. [01:09:28] I've been working the descriptions instead of the spreadsheet. [01:09:36] If you want to look at the spreadsheet, that's on 34. [01:09:41] And so this is a project that you're familiar with. [01:09:44] It is directly related to the Orangewood Lake services that we purchased a couple years ago. [01:09:50] This upgrades the existing connection that we have [01:09:55] as well as does some upsizing to where we can start our expansion of fire protection in the neighborhood. [01:10:06] Fire protection is going to come after this? [01:10:09] This is the beginning. [01:10:11] I mean, everything will be done in phases once you get it back in the neighborhood [01:10:14] and stuff like that in the future. [01:10:16] I was just wondering, because there's nothing in the years following that, that's why I asked that. [01:10:21] Well, there will be. [01:10:23] Okay. [01:10:24] We just don't have a number yet. [01:10:26] Pasco County Fire Protection, right? [01:10:29] No. [01:10:30] Orangewood? [01:10:32] Well, it's Pasco County residents, correct, but it's our service area. [01:10:36] But we handle the fire as well? [01:10:39] Correct. [01:10:40] We charge for the water. [01:10:44] Charge for the water. [01:10:47] We don't meter the fire things, do we? [01:10:51] Joke. [01:10:53] Free water to put out county fires. [01:10:56] Oh, man. [01:10:58] I think Mr. Almond is looking at a revenue opportunity here. [01:11:01] Put a meter on those checks. [01:11:04] And so the next project that we have is the North River Neighborhood Reclaimed Water Improvement. [01:11:10] We have $5,000 for engineering. [01:11:14] This will be the first phase of the design development and the grant application process. [01:11:23] If the grant is approved, then we would take and divide this up into different phases [01:11:30] and just start proceeding over into that area to be able to supply that water. [01:11:39] This is North River Road? [01:11:41] Yes, sir. [01:11:42] North River Neighborhood. [01:11:43] That whole area. [01:11:44] Continuing on that track, okay. [01:12:02] So our next project that we have is also a reactive one. [01:12:07] It is the Potable and Reclaimed Water System Improvements. [01:12:10] This is basically funds that are used for in advance when we have an example would be our street improvement projects. [01:12:19] We typically try to take a proactive approach and our water guys will actually go out ahead of that project [01:12:27] and start replacing the water services that go underneath the road [01:12:32] to try to reduce the chances of us having a water leak after we have a newly paved road. [01:12:39] So we have $30,000 in engineering and $300,000 in construction. [01:12:53] Page 35. [01:12:55] Our next project is the Grand Boulevard Bridge Water and Sewer Upgrades. [01:13:00] We have engineering services of $20,000 and construction of $250,000. [01:13:07] This project is directly related to Pasco County notifying us that they will be replacing the Grand Boulevard Bridge within the next year. [01:13:18] They've been notified by DOT that the structural condition of that bridge is deficient. [01:13:26] Of course, we have a water line as well as a force main that is on either side of that bridge. [01:13:34] So anytime you have transportation projects and that's what it would be considered, [01:13:39] whatever utility is in that right-of-way is responsible for either relocating or temporarily stabilizing whatever facility they have [01:13:48] before they, in this case, reattach it to the bridge. [01:13:54] And so that's what this project is. [01:13:56] And I have had discussions with Ms. Manns, and I'm sure she'll be reaching out to the county, [01:14:02] because we are planning on, as you know, doing the multi-use path, that shared-use path. [01:14:08] And so any kind of improvement to the top side of that bridge really needs to consider that [01:14:15] so that we're not going in there and spending money redoing the top side [01:14:19] if that's not the way we want it for that multi-use path. [01:14:23] I don't know if it's too late or not, but here's what needs to happen on that bridge. [01:14:26] I was just going to... [01:14:27] Councilman Alvin just looked at me, and he saw me ready to speak, and he gave me this. [01:14:30] That was why I was looking over at you as well. [01:14:34] You'll have a community to get under. [01:14:36] If that bridge is going to be redone, it needs to be several feet higher. [01:14:41] And Madison was built higher in anticipation that when the Grand Boulevard bridge was done, [01:14:46] it would be a little higher. [01:14:47] Yeah, Madison's fine. [01:14:48] The problem is Grand Boulevard. [01:14:50] At high tide, you scrape your head going under there in a boat. [01:14:55] That's big news there. [01:14:57] It would change the... [01:15:00] property values of everybody upriver. [01:15:02] Absolutely, yeah. [01:15:03] Because of the most that you could get upriver. [01:15:04] If they can get it up as high as Madison is, [01:15:08] that would be tremendous. [01:15:11] But that includes- [01:15:13] That you'd have everybody upriver [01:15:16] coming here back in that. [01:15:20] Absolutely. [01:15:22] That's gonna affect so many things. [01:15:24] You almost can't have a fixed Bimini [01:15:27] unless you play the tides. [01:15:28] No, you can't at all. [01:15:29] I have a T-top on my boat, [01:15:31] and even at low tide, you can't get through. [01:15:32] And at low tide, if you have a center console, [01:15:36] it's, you're ducking, I mean, it's crazy how low it is. [01:15:41] So we have no notice from them as to their design on that? [01:15:44] You say they're just- [01:15:45] We just got, I don't even know if they have a design. [01:15:47] I just, we just got contacted [01:15:49] by their construction services division, [01:15:53] and so I relayed that conversation to the city manager. [01:15:57] Tell him to make it higher and give us money for a boat ramp. [01:15:59] Yeah. [01:16:00] Did the, did the, [01:16:06] oh, shit, I forgot my top thing. [01:16:09] Never mind. [01:16:11] That's tremendous, though. [01:16:12] Thank you. [01:16:17] The next project that we have [01:16:19] is the water utility system improvements. [01:16:23] And the amount of $70,000. [01:16:27] And this is for engineering services. [01:16:30] These projects here typically come straight [01:16:33] out of our master plan that we have, [01:16:35] our utility master plan. [01:16:37] And that master plan right now is, [01:16:40] calls out priorities for AC pipe materials to be replaced, [01:16:45] any kind of lead piping that you have, [01:16:48] those types of things. [01:16:49] And so we'll be getting with the engineer [01:16:51] to go ahead and call out the different locations. [01:16:56] I remembered what I was going to say, [01:16:58] but the old brain, but before I talk, [01:17:00] I better get it out. [01:17:02] The, damn it, there it goes again. [01:17:09] The bridge, I'm having a hard time crossing the bridge. [01:17:16] We've got an issue here. [01:17:17] I'll remember it in a minute. [01:17:20] So our next project is the sewer main [01:17:23] and manhole rehabilitation lining projects. [01:17:26] This is an annual project that we do. [01:17:28] We're required with our permit that we need [01:17:31] to identify areas that have the infiltration [01:17:35] and exfiltration in our sanitary sewer lines [01:17:38] or our manholes. [01:17:40] Our crews go out, they identify those areas, [01:17:44] they pinpoint them. [01:17:46] And then of course, we have historically piggybacked [01:17:50] on another municipality's contract [01:17:55] to be able to get an economy of scale pricing [01:17:58] to be able to perform the lining. [01:18:00] And so we're proposing to do the lining [01:18:04] in the Heights neighborhood, [01:18:05] which is down around Marine Parkway, [01:18:07] that neighborhood there, [01:18:09] and then North River neighborhoods. [01:18:11] Okay, I remembered, ownership of Grand Boulevard. [01:18:15] Wasn't there an issue where they turned over [01:18:17] Grand Boulevard to us at some point in some way? [01:18:19] Yes, they did. [01:18:21] But the bridges are still... [01:18:23] We did not take the bridges. [01:18:25] So the bridges are still theirs. [01:18:29] There's still something rattling around up there. [01:18:36] Next project that we have is the 2019 [01:18:39] sewer utility system improvements. [01:18:43] As you may recall, we have been doing upgrades [01:18:45] to the southern end of town to try to divert our flows. [01:18:49] This is all part of that. [01:18:51] We have already completed the design. [01:18:54] The 25 is for construction services, [01:18:58] and we have 1.2 million budgeted for the project itself. [01:19:02] And that's where again? [01:19:05] That is for the southern end of town. [01:19:07] We're trying to tie in everything that we've been doing. [01:19:10] At Marine Parkway? [01:19:11] Yes, sir, that is directly related to that. [01:19:15] How do you get sewer out to all the way to Trouble Creek? [01:19:19] Where would you take it? [01:19:20] Do we have collection out there? [01:19:23] We have collection down at Grand Boulevard. [01:19:26] At Trouble Creek? [01:19:28] Well, just before that, on the backside. [01:19:32] But not the 19? [01:19:35] It's on the backside of 19. [01:19:37] Okay. [01:19:47] So the next project that we have [01:19:49] is the sewer system extensions. [01:19:52] And this is similar to the potable water one [01:19:55] that we had talked about earlier. [01:19:57] This is a reactive one where we have money available to us [01:20:01] in case somebody's sanitary sewer, their septic system, [01:20:07] those types of things go down [01:20:08] and we have to extend our system out towards them. [01:20:16] And that's in the amount of $30,000 for engineering [01:20:19] and $200,000 for construction. [01:20:27] And our next one is the Orangewood Lakes [01:20:29] force main interconnect project. [01:20:31] This has already been brought to you this year [01:20:33] as a change order onto the existing sewer project [01:20:36] that we had. [01:20:37] And so the dollar amounts that we have in this project [01:20:41] are what we're estimating to complete the project. [01:20:45] And we've got engineering at 50 [01:20:47] and our construction is at 675. [01:20:50] And this basically upgrades our existing force main [01:20:54] along Massachusetts Avenue, out to Olsteen Road South [01:21:02] and installs a new lift station [01:21:04] and disconnects from the existing wastewater plant [01:21:09] that's there at Orangewood. [01:21:16] On the next page is the summary of funding [01:21:18] for these projects. [01:21:20] And Robert was really able to create a wishlist [01:21:23] of water and sewer projects [01:21:25] because it's all funded by bond proceeds [01:21:28] that we received last year and that we need to spend [01:21:30] within the next two fiscal years. [01:21:32] So it's all covered by bond proceeds. [01:21:40] And so I think we're going to skip page 52 [01:21:44] and go to page 64, unless you all have anything [01:21:48] on the redevelopment or community redevelopment agency [01:21:51] that you want to discuss. [01:21:52] I know you did that at the earlier work session [01:21:55] or the earlier CRA meeting. [01:21:58] I do want to interject something [01:22:00] before you go on out of the water and sewer, [01:22:02] which is that you've created a wishlist [01:22:06] and you're using the bond proceeds for that. [01:22:10] Orangewood, for example, is a county area. [01:22:15] Is that to help extend and to provide sewer services [01:22:19] to those folks? [01:22:20] If they take- [01:22:21] Correct, it's the county neighborhoods [01:22:25] that the city purchased that were in our service area. [01:22:28] And so all the projects that were out of here [01:22:32] are all projects that are included in our master plan, [01:22:37] except for the reactive projects that I told you [01:22:40] that we have funding for in case we need to. [01:22:44] And the only other items that are in here [01:22:46] are directly related to completing the servicing [01:22:51] of those neighborhoods, those three utilities that we bought. [01:22:54] So this is my question. [01:22:56] If we're going to plan to put sewer lines [01:22:59] into Orangewood Villas in the county, [01:23:02] and we've talked about this, in fact, on Baker Road, [01:23:05] coming out of Louisiana, going back that way, [01:23:07] where we were at one point looking to try to provide sewer. [01:23:11] And then the resident said, [01:23:12] I'm not going to pay to hook up to the sewer. [01:23:15] And then the county come back and says, [01:23:17] we'd really like to get a vote whether they want it or not. [01:23:20] And they've just completely ignored the state statute, [01:23:23] which says if you put a sewer line in [01:23:25] and it's in your service area, [01:23:27] that they're required to hook up [01:23:27] and they have to pay the piper to do it. [01:23:32] Have we gotten over, or will we have to pass [01:23:35] some political hurdles in order to accomplish our goal [01:23:39] to hook everyone up to sewer [01:23:41] when we put these lines into these existing neighborhoods? [01:23:45] First of all, what we're doing here, [01:23:48] the projects that are called out here, [01:23:50] even though they are directly related [01:23:52] to the new utilities that we have purchased, [01:23:56] we need to expand our system on that end of town as well. [01:24:00] And so we have to do these projects first [01:24:04] to put ourselves in a position. [01:24:07] And then what we would need to do [01:24:10] is perform a environmental assessment. [01:24:14] You can do it several different ways [01:24:18] that you would have to notify the county [01:24:20] and let them know, hey, this is what we're going to do [01:24:22] as far as assessing people or we're going to take [01:24:26] and supply sewer to these people that are county residents. [01:24:28] And you have to be able to demonstrate that, number one, [01:24:32] there is a large number of residents in that neighborhood [01:24:37] that are having septic system failures. [01:24:39] And so environmentally, you're having an impact on it. [01:24:43] The other way you can do it is to perform [01:24:45] an environmental study that maybe doesn't, [01:24:49] you don't have the information to say [01:24:51] that those septic systems are failing, [01:24:55] but you can demonstrate that the surrounding surface water [01:24:59] is in decline, or your readings from your testing [01:25:03] or sampling are showing that you have higher levels [01:25:07] of the septic systems that are leaching [01:25:10] into that body of water. [01:25:12] And then once you present that, you can follow the process [01:25:15] and it does allow you to go ahead [01:25:18] and supply the sewer facilities to them. [01:25:22] Which would be another capital improvement project [01:25:24] down the road to build, to get the lines through. [01:25:26] And it typically would be an assessment [01:25:30] to those people, almost like a road project. [01:25:32] I know it's getting long for some folks here, [01:25:36] and we've been here for a while, [01:25:37] but if you'll just bear with me for a minute on that. [01:25:41] I'm going to go back to the model that has caused the county [01:25:44] to be able to go from being much more expensive than us [01:25:47] to being very competitive with us, at least. [01:25:50] And that is that they've had other people [01:25:52] put in the infrastructure and then dedicated to them. [01:25:55] Everybody's hooked up, there's no studies, [01:25:58] there's no engineering. [01:25:59] So all of the money in Florida development [01:26:03] has been in new subdivisions on pieces of land [01:26:06] they can go in and do and sell. [01:26:08] And that's where our competition, I think, [01:26:10] is with a lot of these community development districts [01:26:13] that I have some experience with. [01:26:16] So if there's an individual who wants to annex in [01:26:21] and fund and pay for the price of the sewer lines [01:26:25] and the water lines and dedicate them to the city, [01:26:28] that's a lot better deal for us [01:26:30] than us having to go in and redevelop deteriorating county [01:26:36] surrounding areas because they're in our service area. [01:26:39] So I agree, and I think we should proceed with that, Robert. [01:26:43] But what I'm telling you is I think there's a lot of money [01:26:47] that can help us to do the same thing over on Trouble Creek [01:26:50] to that area, Trouble Creek and 19, [01:26:53] and all the way out to the Gulf [01:26:55] where we've got a lot of environmental reasons [01:26:58] to get rid of the septic systems that are already there [01:27:01] and perhaps an interested developer. [01:27:03] So I would say that this project is a preparation project [01:27:10] that you're proposing for an area [01:27:12] that's going to cost us more money [01:27:15] and the whole circumstance of looking at the business [01:27:18] of the water and sewer, [01:27:19] I would be an advocate for adding additional projects [01:27:23] and showing a grant funding opportunity [01:27:25] because sometimes if you go for a grant, [01:27:27] they have to say, did you plan to do it? [01:27:28] Is it in your budget? [01:27:29] So I would like to see some, [01:27:32] at least beginning of looking at, [01:27:34] moving our sewer lines to the west side of Highway 19 [01:27:39] so that we can begin to clean up the environment [01:27:41] that's really, it was Joe Borda's plant [01:27:46] that started polluting the Gulf of Mexico [01:27:49] that chased the scallops away to begin with, [01:27:51] but the multiple spills that you know happened [01:27:54] right next to our sewer plant over the years [01:27:57] that were our county administrator at the time said, [01:28:00] I'd rather pay a fine, an environmental fine, [01:28:02] than fix something. [01:28:03] And- [01:28:04] When I say backside, I'll clarify [01:28:06] when I say backside of 19. [01:28:09] On the east side, it's not the frontage, [01:28:12] it's on the backside where the tax collector's office is. [01:28:15] They get that one road that goes down there. [01:28:17] We're back in there for a little bit. [01:28:19] If you take and you look at the west side, [01:28:22] we go up to the old Ford Lincoln Mercury out there. [01:28:26] That works. [01:28:27] So we're- [01:28:28] You could go through that way. [01:28:29] Correct. [01:28:31] These areas out on the east side of Rowan, however, [01:28:34] are also ripe for the pickings I've got. [01:28:37] I agree. [01:28:38] I've got friends that live out on Medlar, [01:28:41] and probably once every six months, [01:28:44] I send them Robert's direction, [01:28:46] because they're on city water now, [01:28:51] and are thrilled to death, but they've still got septics, [01:28:53] and they would kill to be on our sewer system. [01:28:56] Well, I agree, and it's not one versus the other, [01:28:59] but my point is, I would like to see [01:29:00] a more robust utility expansion plan than you have, [01:29:04] and I'd like to see that we are contemplating, [01:29:08] in all directions, possibilities, [01:29:09] so we're ready when somebody comes in [01:29:11] and says, I want to do something. [01:29:13] And I agree with you, and I think that this coming year, [01:29:16] we're going to identify those deficiencies, [01:29:18] because when I had presented the budget to you all, [01:29:21] we had the modeling, the new utility master plan. [01:29:25] All that modeling is going to tell us [01:29:27] where we're deficient at in our utilities, [01:29:30] meaning water and sewer, [01:29:32] and then we can plan from there. [01:29:35] So the new master plan, when you get it, [01:29:37] and it's completed, in the end, [01:29:40] where it has our recommendations, [01:29:42] and it calls out the projects and identifies them, [01:29:46] that'll be one of the discussions that we'll talk about, [01:29:49] and so they will go ahead and prioritize it, [01:29:51] they will identify what areas we need to go in, [01:29:55] expand, upsize, that type of thing. [01:29:58] So you should be seeing that. [01:30:00] information sometime towards the end of next year. [01:30:03] Going back to the money we spent, a million dollars to buy 10 acres [01:30:07] might actually turn out to be helpful for us in the long run [01:30:12] because it'll help us maybe to expand out in that direction. [01:30:16] So thank you for your time and thanks for everybody for [01:30:19] not following. [01:30:24] So if you're comfortable with skipping the summary of the redevelopment funds [01:30:28] since we've already covered it, we will start on page 61. [01:30:40] So this is a street improvement fund. [01:30:42] Our first project that we're proposing is one that I think we're in our third or fourth [01:30:47] year with this one. [01:30:48] This is the traffic sign upgrades. [01:30:51] These are the decorative sign posts and signs that you see downtown [01:30:56] and we're continuing with that moving out from outside the downtown area to the [01:31:01] downtown overlay district. [01:31:03] And of course, any of our multi-use paths, any type of upgrades such as those [01:31:09] would also include those types of signs. [01:31:12] The next project are electric vehicle charging stations, $50,000 in that account. [01:31:19] The city has started that program with Enterprise, as you're aware of. [01:31:24] We will be taking possession of several EV vehicles and so this project here will [01:31:32] install those stations at the fleet maintenance garage, the public works complex, [01:31:40] the fire station, the police station, and city hall parking lot. [01:31:48] We can use gas tax dollars to reduce our gas tax collection. [01:32:00] So the next project we have is the neighborhood improvement project and this is a continuation. [01:32:07] And we typically do trees, sidewalks, those types of improvements to the public right-of-way. [01:32:17] We're proposing to continue with the North River neighborhood upgrades with the sidewalks. [01:32:24] We had some delay this year with the relocation of different facilities to be able to clear the right-of-way. [01:32:30] And so we feel like we should be able to start moving on with construction now. [01:32:35] So we've got $15,000 in engineering and $100,000 for construction. [01:32:42] And this is the same amount that we had last year. [01:32:46] Put a little note for yourself. I asked you about sidewalks on like four streets, [01:32:51] like between Grand and Madison, that don't have sidewalks. [01:32:57] And they're like right downtown, like Delaware, Missouri, Montana, whatever. [01:33:01] I don't remember the four. Let's get back with me on that. [01:33:09] Next project we have is the LED crosswalk signage and lighting. [01:33:14] These are the typical ones that you see that we've been putting out every year. [01:33:17] This next one is proposed to go in front of Gulf Middle School. [01:33:22] And the dollar amount that we have in there is $50,000. [01:33:29] Next project is the West Main Street sidewalk improvements. [01:33:33] We have $35,000 for engineering services and $300,000 for sidewalk construction. [01:33:40] This is the area that is west of 19 to Seaforest in front of our wastewater treatment plant. [01:33:49] Is that going to be an elevated boardwalk or is the street going to be reengineered [01:33:53] to keep it from flooding every time there's a thunderstorm? [01:33:56] There's nothing we can do over there when it comes to that flooding. [01:34:00] That's a sidewalk on county property, county land. [01:34:04] When we leave the city, we're putting a sidewalk through the county to connect to our city. [01:34:10] We're putting a sidewalk along our right-of-way. We own the street. [01:34:18] And we will be asking the county to participate in the payment. [01:34:29] The next proposed project is the roadway striping program. [01:34:36] And that's $25,000 in construction. [01:34:40] Typically, we would use this money for upgrades, obviously for striping. [01:34:46] It could be in any of our parking lots. It could be typically in stop bars that we have. [01:34:53] We're calling out the North River neighborhood that we had presented to you last year [01:34:59] with the different markings that we had. [01:35:06] Next project is the neighborhood alley improvements with the amount of $25,000. [01:35:13] This is funding that we would have in case we had to do any type of regrading, [01:35:20] tree trimming vegetation that we did this year, tree removals as we go through the year direction [01:35:27] as far as opening some of the alleys. [01:35:29] Some of those things we're going to have to use contractual services for. [01:35:34] So let me get this, $25,000 for alleys for our city residents [01:35:39] and $300,000 for sidewalks in front of the county houses along Main Street [01:35:45] between the few city residents and the sewer plant. [01:35:50] Southtown Loop is in the city and it directly puts up to the... [01:35:56] But there's probably a good long length of non-city that you're stretching through. [01:36:02] Right, but I have a collector or we have a collector road that the city owns [01:36:05] that people in wheelchairs and people are walking in the road continually. [01:36:13] And so something has to be done and that's why we've approached [01:36:17] or I've talked with Ms. Manns to talk with the county administrator [01:36:21] and see if there's something that we can do together to be able to get this done. [01:36:25] It would sure be helpful for some of our city projects to get some help on some of these areas. [01:36:30] That's why this whole service area thing is like, it's so silly. [01:36:33] We're providing urban, sidewalks are an urban improvement and yet... [01:36:42] These are the great points we'll bring up when we speak to our county commissioners [01:36:45] and Ms. Manns speaks to Mr. Biles about partnering with... [01:36:49] But we've got a lot of city residents out there that are in an island practically [01:36:53] on the other side of the highway, so I appreciate it. [01:36:55] It's going to connect all the way to Seaforth, which is all county. [01:37:07] So the next project that we have is the street improvement project. [01:37:11] We have engineering at $40,000 and construction at $1.7. [01:37:18] This includes several residential streets, the Jasmine Hills, Hazel Don, [01:37:25] East and West Grand Neighborhoods, Indiana Avenue, from Madison Street to the city limits. [01:37:31] This is a continuation of our pavement management plan. [01:37:40] And then of course we have the 21 Street Improvement which will start the design [01:37:45] and that continues on with the East Grand, West Grand Neighborhoods and North River Neighborhood. [01:37:51] And we have $170,000 for engineering. [01:37:59] On the next page is the summary of funding. [01:38:03] We have local option gas tax. [01:38:05] We received two buckets of money from that revenue source. [01:38:11] And it actually went up from last year. Our state revenue estimate increased. [01:38:16] So we're receiving $637,700 from the first local option gas tax and $456,740 from the second. [01:38:25] And the reason it went up is because it's based on past transportation projects that we've completed. [01:38:32] So the more that we do, the more funding we receive. [01:38:35] So Robert, we've been good at completing those projects to increase our funding. [01:38:42] The next revenue source is paving assessment. [01:38:44] And that's the annual assessment of our residents to fund our pavement management program. [01:38:51] We receive roughly about $20,000. [01:38:55] We expect $20,000 next year from the old street assessments that we're still collecting on. [01:39:02] We expect $37,500 in interest revenue. [01:39:06] And the street improvement fund will receive a transfer from the general fund of $325,000. [01:39:13] And that was an obligation that we made as part of approving the pavement management plan. [01:39:22] So it's $200,000 of general revenue money. [01:39:25] And then the rest is the garbage hauling franchise fee that we collect. [01:39:31] We expect $200,000 from a transfer from capital improvement fund. [01:39:36] And again, that was an obligation as part of the pavement management plan that this fund receives an annual transfer of $200,000 from the capital improvement fund. [01:39:47] And then we've included a rollover of fund balance of $515,810. [01:39:54] So that gives us a total funding of $3,011,320. [01:39:59] Of that funding amount, $15,000 goes to the cost of the tax collector to assess our bill, our residents, for the paving assessment. [01:40:11] And then $40,000 transferred to the CRA to co-fund the streetscape project. [01:40:19] And a transfer to the general fund for administrative services. [01:40:24] Peter, I believe this happened before you and Matt came on council. [01:40:27] But somebody at the county got the bright idea that if they rejiggered the allocation methodology for the... [01:40:34] I was the finance director. [01:40:37] ...with the... Matt, I guess, would be the only one that wasn't involved in it. [01:40:44] They realized that some of the smaller municipalities were not going to be able to do that. [01:40:51] They realized that some of the smaller municipalities would save up money over a multiple-year period in order to be able to do paving projects. [01:41:00] So they weighted the amount that you would get on your gas taxes, not by the number of miles of roadway you've got or the population or anything else, [01:41:11] but rather on how much you had spent the previous year. [01:41:15] Five years. [01:41:17] Or five years. [01:41:18] And so it basically screwed the smaller municipalities because they couldn't come up with the funding to do the paving [01:41:25] that then got them the funding for future paving projects because we're big enough [01:41:29] and because we have gone out and started doing paving as an ongoing annual basis. [01:41:36] That's why our gas tax receipts for the next year are going up when gas tax revenues probably in total are going down county-wide. [01:41:49] But it's specifically because of the way they played with this allocation, [01:41:55] thinking they were going to get all the money for the county and not have to give it to the cities. [01:42:02] In fact, it'll go up again because it was a five-year average. We only had a year or so of this activity. [01:42:10] So it's worked out real well for us and that was, I think, an unintended consequence of us deciding that we were going to make sure that all of the roads [01:42:22] in the city of Newport Ridge here kept on some sort of regular schedule to be repaired and upgraded. [01:42:29] I think also we all went out there to the county and hung out during this. [01:42:33] And I think the lawyers had this idea and the commissioners didn't know what was going on. [01:42:39] So all of a sudden there was some backpedaling too. [01:42:42] Yeah, county staff definitely thought they were pulling a fast one. [01:42:48] I just have another question. [01:42:51] Is Main Street Landings and the Central and this pavement assessment program, [01:42:57] are they just run as commercial property and not necessarily the amount of units? [01:43:02] I don't remember, that's why I'm asking. [01:43:05] They would be considered commercial property. [01:43:09] And so the assessment calculation is not based on units, but I believe it's square footage. [01:43:18] I just was curious because you were adding 190 more cars minimum downtown. [01:43:25] I just was curious. [01:43:27] Good question. [01:43:29] Good point. [01:43:32] That got us for this? [01:43:34] Yep, so that would conclude our review, our presentation of the capital assessment program. [01:43:39] I'm on the last page. [01:43:41] Great discussion guys. [01:43:44] I think we've made a lot of progress tonight. [01:43:48] Any communications for the good of the organization? [01:43:52] Sorry, I continue to get correspondence from Mr. Mark Schwartzel. [01:43:58] Still very, very, I brought this up before, I haven't heard anything since, [01:44:01] but very, very upset about the city neighborhood dump site at the River Drive Park. [01:44:08] Once again, it's hauled away and then it's just flowing over days later. [01:44:14] He sent me pictures, I forwarded them on to Ms. Mann. [01:44:16] So I think we need to, once again, I think we need to remove that dump site [01:44:21] and maybe figure something out with the work session, like I said, regarding the whole program. [01:44:27] That being said, a couple things in these tying together. [01:44:30] I'm still out of, Ms. Mann and I had a meeting with the business owner prior to our first meeting today. [01:44:38] Two things that kind of tie in together. [01:44:41] I brought up before, I received complaints that, [01:44:44] I know everyone's tired, it's hard to keep everyone here, [01:44:46] but about the lack of social distancing inside our restaurants. [01:44:50] It continues, I continue to get complaints. [01:44:53] As a city, is it our job to police that? [01:44:56] Are we going to go in? I mean, it's a touchy subject. [01:45:00] But I'm just saying, I continue to get complaints regarding it. [01:45:03] That's number one. [01:45:04] I'm looking for y'all's feedback after I get to number two. [01:45:07] I have a pretty strong feeling the mayor is not going to back this idea on number two. [01:45:13] But I propose that I think we should open up Railroad Square again, the COVID numbers [01:45:16] are starting to flatten out. [01:45:18] I had a pretty intense meeting with one of the business owners and realized on both sides [01:45:25] there were things that could have been done differently. [01:45:28] It's very difficult for these business owners that aren't able to make a penny once again. [01:45:33] I know we had a negative experience with the live band and everything when we did open [01:45:37] it up this past time, but to look across the street and see restaurants that are acting [01:45:41] like nightclubs with bands after dinner hours, and we're not doing anything about that. [01:45:45] I'm not sure if it's our job to do so. [01:45:51] In Chief Bogart's job description, I don't know, social distancing enforcement was part [01:45:55] of the application, the scope of his job when he applied. [01:46:02] We're in uncharted waters here again. [01:46:04] I'm personally confident that if we open up Railroad Square and worked out some issues, [01:46:10] to me, once again, as I said when we first had the discussion prior to the mayor's private [01:46:15] meeting with a couple of business owners and Chief Bogart and Ms. Manns, I think when you [01:46:19] have live music, it creates a party atmosphere. [01:46:22] One person with a guitar and some acoustic music is a lot different than having a live [01:46:26] band with bass guitars and drums on a trailer in Railroad Square. [01:46:31] I think even on Saturday afternoons, if we open it up, people might want to come up in [01:46:34] a golf cart and sit under a tent and have a beer and then hopefully not create the party [01:46:41] atmosphere again. [01:46:43] These businesses are really struggling, and we've done a lot to create an atmosphere that [01:46:47] is conducive for them having their businesses in our city, and I would like to give them [01:46:51] one more chance with Railroad Square, so I'd like your all's feedback on that. [01:46:55] And then once again, with the policing and the complaints with the lack of social distancing [01:47:00] indoors with the restaurants, what do we do about that? [01:47:03] I mean, I'm not trying to shut anyone down. [01:47:05] It's just a very difficult situation because I'm getting a lot of complaints from a lot [01:47:08] of them. [01:47:09] I feel like I'm getting pulled in 10 different directions regarding this issue. [01:47:12] You're correct. [01:47:13] I would not be particularly in favor of it, mostly because I was assured, and Ms. Manns [01:47:20] and the Chief and I were all assured that what happened was not going to happen, and [01:47:26] then he turned right around and put in a big band and turned it into a party scene. [01:47:34] That was exactly what he had promised us was not going to happen. [01:47:38] The only thing that I have to say, and I said it when it was brought up before, is that [01:47:43] you don't punish the masses because of one, and that's where we're at right now. [01:47:50] And I don't agree with that punishment, although I was probably the fault most of the time [01:47:55] with my brother and sister, which I know I wasn't. [01:48:00] But we all got punished, and it wasn't all our fault, and I don't believe in that kind [01:48:05] of punishment, number one. [01:48:07] Also, there's other places in town. [01:48:10] We've been focusing on these restaurants downtown and bars downtown. [01:48:16] There's other ones that are in this town that have been open since this thing happened, [01:48:23] since February. [01:48:24] They've never closed up. [01:48:27] Maybe they closed up in February or March for a little while, and then when they opened [01:48:31] up again, they've still been open. [01:48:32] They haven't been closed again, and they're carrying on. [01:48:37] I know we focus on this little group of bars right downtown, but it's being abused in other [01:48:43] places in town, number one. [01:48:47] Number two is that I keep hearing on the street that there's an exception for this one because [01:48:54] they have this. [01:48:55] Well, all I know is about a 4 COP license, a 2 COP SRX at a brewery, and I know what [01:49:01] those rules are those. [01:49:03] So where are the rules that we're applying to those people with these other people? [01:49:08] Why is this one doing this? [01:49:09] So I'm to the point where, and I asked, and we don't know. [01:49:15] It's not our job. [01:49:16] It's the alcoholic beverage, but they're not coming around and enforcing it, so some people [01:49:21] are getting, hands are getting slapped, and other people are going, hey, we're just cruising [01:49:27] here and having a good time, and the place is packed. [01:49:31] And the social distancing on outdoor bars is nonexistent, nonexistent, and I'm not picking [01:49:38] on one, it's all of them. [01:49:40] So yeah, I don't know the rules. [01:49:41] I don't know who's supposed to be enforcing it. [01:49:44] If the beverage department's supposed to be enforcing it, then we need them in town, and [01:49:48] if we're supposed to be enforcing it, then we need to get out and do it. [01:49:52] Mr. Mayor, I'm not trying to, you and I normally see eye to eye on most topics, so I'm just [01:49:56] trying to get feedback from the five of you, of the four of you, what do you all want to [01:50:00] do with Railroad Square? [01:50:01] Open or keep it shut down? [01:50:02] I'd like to open it, but I'd like, so we got one yes, I mean one no, one yes. [01:50:06] I wish we could, but I just, I don't, I have no confidence that we wouldn't be right back [01:50:16] into the same situation we were in a few weeks ago, when they flaunted the thing. [01:50:20] Well we met with the individual, we met with Pete, we met with Pete and we told him when [01:50:25] he walked out, knowing what he did, and then he went ahead and did it anyhow, figuring [01:50:28] he could, you know, get away with it. [01:50:30] Well we didn't shut it down because it grew before, we didn't want to, you know, cause [01:50:35] a scene, you know, but we can prepare for the scene this next time and not let it happen. [01:50:40] When they put the ban out there, shut it down before it even plays its first note, you know, [01:50:45] if he hasn't social distancing, I mean he got on the mic, I was there, I left because [01:50:49] I didn't like what was going on, I was there from like 7, 7.30 to 8.30, you know, I didn't [01:50:53] like what was going on, I left, but you know, they set the tables out, but he got on the [01:50:57] mic and he thanked everybody for coming to his party and the party kept growing. [01:51:01] You know, he never got on the mic and said, hey, social distancing, wear a mask, you know, [01:51:05] it was his, it's him, so that's why again I say it, you know, I'm for opening it, you [01:51:10] know, but I'm, you know, I'm going to, you know, I want a thumb, just the same as some [01:51:14] other instances have been happening in town recently, I want it thumbed right off the [01:51:18] bat. [01:51:19] All right, so. [01:51:20] I'm for trying, trying again, set some ground rules, if we don't, I'm afraid we're going [01:51:24] to be losing some people that have invested heavily in our city, so I'd be willing to [01:51:29] try it again and just set some guidelines for it. [01:51:33] So yesterday I went to the Regional Planning Council meeting and they have established [01:51:38] a COVID-19 strategy meeting and they were talking about it. [01:51:44] I mentioned this situation about trying to help the businesses and having some failures [01:51:50] with that, and Patrick Roth, who's a city councilman for the city of Bradenton, said [01:51:56] what they did, which was a suggestion that I was hoping to make and raise, which is their [01:52:04] CRA bought $4,000 worth of tables and chairs, set it up at a social distance setting to [01:52:11] allow the restaurants and bars to be able to use those tables. [01:52:16] If the tables hold 8 to 10 people, then people are able to go to those tables and stay at [01:52:22] their tables and be outside and drink. [01:52:24] So if the goal is to let customers buy product that they can't consume inside the store and [01:52:32] come out and imbibe, then if we rely on Pete to put his tables out, then he thinks it's [01:52:39] his party and he's going to get up and say, this is my party. [01:52:43] That was my point before, I'm for it, but I think if we're for it, this is our attempt [01:52:49] to assist our residents to come out and enjoy time properly. [01:52:54] I think the mayor should make the talk, the speech, if he can, at the beginning of it, [01:52:58] and I think that we should make it clear that we're trying this again, and we can have that [01:53:05] guitar player or that instrumental voice and just say, keep your distance. [01:53:10] But if 8 people know each other, they're allowed to be at that table together and drink, right? [01:53:18] The idea is that if you get sick, that you know who you were with and you can let them [01:53:21] know. [01:53:23] The problem is, let's say there's four tables here. [01:53:26] There's 8 at this table, 8 at that, 8 at that, and 8 at that. [01:53:29] Well, after I've got through talking to you, then the four of us go down and we talk to [01:53:33] Robert, and then if we talk to Robert, we go over and talk to Debbie. [01:53:37] So the social distance is more important than the group, because the group keeps changing, [01:53:44] because they all know each other. [01:53:47] My thing is, yes, I would be in favor of us having a look at having our redevelopment [01:53:54] area or somebody establish the setting. [01:53:58] It's our property. [01:53:59] It's our right of way. [01:54:00] Our liability. [01:54:01] Well, it's city property, I'm saying, so we have to regulate it unlike private property, [01:54:07] right? [01:54:08] I think we should regulate it. [01:54:09] I mean, I think we should say, okay, let's keep an eye and let's do our best. [01:54:13] I don't see anybody suing any of the counties or cities because there's a protest with 20 [01:54:21] people walking. [01:54:22] I don't know that they all had masks on or not, up and down. [01:54:28] We can only do the best we can, but, you know, let's shut everything down and pay the rent [01:54:34] for them for a month and tell them just to lay low. [01:54:37] I mean, that's the whole debate we've been having all along, isn't it? [01:54:40] We've jumped too quick to come out, wait too long. [01:54:43] We're stretching out the pain. [01:54:44] And unfortunately, the reduction in the COVID rates that we're seeing here in the state [01:54:50] of Florida are probably because the bars got shut down. [01:54:55] And my big fear right now is that in a couple of weeks, we're going to open the schools [01:55:03] and we're going to have super spreader sites all over the county and all over the state. [01:55:08] They're going to be spreading this stuff all over the place. [01:55:13] And we may well see another full shutdown of the entire economy coming up in about a [01:55:19] month as everything hits the fan again because people are not social distancing. [01:55:27] The bar crowd doesn't. [01:55:28] I mean, that's part of when I was younger and we'd go to bars, you were elbow to elbow. [01:55:35] I mean, that was part of the deal. [01:55:37] It's not necessarily bar, it's restaurant and the same problems in a restaurant. [01:55:42] And we have a problem with one even after staff went and talked to them, they still [01:55:47] aren't practicing putting their tables at a social distancing and bar stools at a social [01:55:54] distancing spot. [01:55:55] So we can continue to enforce, we continue to be on them, but we shouldn't penalize the [01:56:01] one that doesn't have the room to have this, the space to have this. [01:56:06] It's because of where he chose to be. [01:56:07] Once again, kudos to Buford Brady's. [01:56:09] If y'all have been in there, I've gone in there for takeout twice. [01:56:12] They're doing it right. [01:56:13] You know, there's no, there's no live, they could have live music and they got karaoke [01:56:16] in there if they wanted to. [01:56:17] They're not doing it. [01:56:18] But once again, it's, it's, we're, we're concerned by social distancing outside. [01:56:22] It's not happening inside these places, but is it our job to regulate it because it's [01:56:27] private property. [01:56:28] But it's better outside in the fresh air by just about everybody's topic. [01:56:32] So I mean, to allow people, I don't know that people are going to stop going out. [01:56:39] I don't know what impact we're going to have on them or what our responsibility is to babysit [01:56:44] them. [01:56:45] But it's also about the residents who crave some chance to get out of the house. [01:56:49] And so I'll, I'll throw my hat in the ring to try it again. [01:56:54] And if, if you want, I'm happy to take a turn doing whatever voluntary thing we can. [01:57:00] What are we looking at just Friday and Saturday? [01:57:04] What I discussed with, with, with Pete earlier was that it's not an option to have a party. [01:57:10] I'm the mayor's obviously upset because he was in the meeting and told them what not [01:57:15] to do. [01:57:16] And then things, you know, didn't go that way apparently. [01:57:18] But you're going to have to conform while this is going on to try to like make a little [01:57:23] money over time. [01:57:24] So let's say we open up or close down railroad square Saturday, 12 to nine or 12 to 10. [01:57:29] You know, people may come to the Cote River golf cart. [01:57:32] People might come and get eight or ten golf carts and socially distance. [01:57:35] Come have a couple of beers during the day and, but it gives them an opportunity to try [01:57:40] to make enough money to stay in business. [01:57:43] They're just having to do it over greater periods of time. [01:57:45] Normally bars, you know, if I own a bar on Friday night, I mean you own the bar, Friday, [01:57:49] Saturday night, that's where you make all your money, right? [01:57:51] It can't be like that anymore. [01:57:52] So you know, even if it's like Thursday, Friday, Saturday and extend the hours a little bit [01:57:58] where, yeah, come, not everyone come at once, you know, but it's, listen, I don't know [01:58:03] the answer. [01:58:04] I don't. [01:58:05] I'm just trying to brainstorm it and try to keep businesses open downtown is the point [01:58:08] of me bringing this up. [01:58:09] That's it. [01:58:10] I wish I knew the answers too, you know, because I thought that what we had come up with was [01:58:14] going to give them a lifeline. [01:58:16] The alternative, Mr. Mayor, that other cities are doing is to say we have an existing incentive [01:58:22] program in the CRA and that is that if a new business comes into town, we'll pay half of [01:58:26] their rent for a year. [01:58:28] So if we're helping new businesses come in by paying half of their rent, after three [01:58:32] months they submit their bill and they get that payment back from the city. [01:58:36] So if these bars are having to pay rent when they're not allowed to serve or function or [01:58:42] even anybody that's struggling. [01:58:46] Just to get them by until they can't. [01:58:47] Yeah. [01:58:48] Let's extend the incentive out. [01:58:49] I talked to Debbie about that, how the CRA could help. [01:58:53] And right now our CRA would have to be amended to be able to help those places that are closed [01:58:58] up and with their rent at this point. [01:59:00] We have a rent incentive. [01:59:01] I was looking at, you know, well, you mentioned only for new businesses. [01:59:05] Yeah, right. [01:59:06] Oh, it could be existing. [01:59:07] Well, that's what I'm saying. [01:59:08] We have to amend it. [01:59:09] Is that correct? [01:59:10] We'd have to amend it. [01:59:11] And then there's a whole discussion, you know, what, you know, I came up when I was talking [01:59:15] to her, I said, if they've got a thousand square feet, they get a thousand dollars. [01:59:19] They got two thousand square feet, get the two thousand. [01:59:21] Not judging what it is, it's because that's going to be, you can't say pay their rent [01:59:25] because, you know, one landlord has a different attitude than another landlord, you know, [01:59:31] but, but I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, do we need, do we need, what do we need to do Debbie [01:59:37] to get you to do it? [01:59:38] It looks like you got four yeses. [01:59:40] Just real quick. [01:59:41] The most difficult thing for me is that it's happening inside already. [01:59:44] You know, if we can just, I understand the mayor's frustration, believe me, I do, but [01:59:53] it is safer outside. [01:59:54] I mean, we might be able to look into, you know, there's a vacant office building. [02:00:00] On Railroad Square, we might be able to engage the property owner and see if the city can store tables there. [02:00:06] It's right on Railroad Square. We can just pull them out, you know, put them back in at the end of the night. [02:00:11] That might be an option. And then you have Fitzgerald's opening as well. [02:00:13] So we want people to social distance down by Fitzgerald's. [02:00:18] They're opening Thursday, so maybe there's tables in the street. [02:00:20] People can get food and eat out there rather than trying to cram into that patio out back there. [02:00:26] Because they have very limited space for the amount of people they serve. [02:00:29] See, this is where I don't understand, because they have a 4 COP license. [02:00:34] That means that they're supposed to, at this time, unless it's been modified recently, [02:00:38] they can only sell package, whether they can sell food. [02:00:41] So in my mind, unless there's some modification or leniency or something, [02:00:45] then they should have to sell their food to go, if the person, they can sell their food and eat it there. [02:00:50] But if they want alcohol, their alcohol license says it has to go. [02:00:54] But otherwise, I've heard on the street now, well, that's modified now. [02:00:58] That's, you know, that they can actually, you know, get a drink and sit there and eat with their food. [02:01:02] Because that, they're compared, since they have the restaurant, the 9, what's it, 509 or 905? [02:01:07] 509 license, which is a restaurant license, and they can sit there. [02:01:10] So, so it... [02:01:11] Like you said, there's so many different roles for different... [02:01:13] Yeah, right, and I think that, you know, do we know? [02:01:17] We know that it is the responsibility of alcohol and tobacco [02:01:25] to administer the alcohol provisions of a liquor license. [02:01:31] We know when there are violations, and we turn those violations in, [02:01:37] but they are the agency responsible to administer the rights provided to holders of licenses. [02:01:45] Well, what's, what the problem is, is that, you know, one neighbor says, [02:01:49] well, how come they can open and I can't open? [02:01:51] How come they're, they've been open, haven't been, haven't closed down since, [02:01:54] but they're not right downtown where we're looking at them, you know? [02:01:58] Yeah, well, we don't have the authority to close someone down [02:02:00] for a violation of their liquor license. [02:02:04] We do have some responsibility, though, when it comes to social distancing, [02:02:10] and that falls on us, and we have had several conversations [02:02:16] with downtown property owners that we know to not be in compliance with appropriate protocols. [02:02:23] We have not ticketed anyone yet. [02:02:25] We may need to do that. [02:02:29] You haven't, you have given me some direction as to what your wishes are, [02:02:38] and I understand full well the hardship being experienced by the business community. [02:02:47] One has presented themselves to us so far to complain about Railroad Square [02:02:53] not being open. [02:02:55] I just don't know professionally whether it's the city's responsibility [02:03:03] to provide the property or the resources necessary to accommodate their wishes, [02:03:09] but if you're collectively telling me that you want it open, [02:03:12] then I'll carry it out in an unprejudiced fashion, of course. [02:03:17] I would, I would like it to get going this weekend, this coming weekend. [02:03:21] Either that, or we stroke checks. [02:03:25] And we can do either. [02:03:27] So, you know, can we get it going by this weekend? [02:03:33] We certainly can. [02:03:36] What hours would you like? [02:03:38] I'd like to see Friday and Saturday. [02:03:39] What is, what is the noise abatement thing that we had with Cavalier Square? [02:03:46] Was that 10 or 11 on Friday and Saturday? [02:03:48] Was that 11? [02:03:49] 11 o'clock. [02:03:50] Okay, then I'd like, I'd like some, you know... [02:03:55] You okay with earlier, you know, the business owner we met with was asking [02:04:00] if we have to have less people, we need more time. [02:04:04] So they were asking, not that Railroad Square is going to be packed [02:04:07] with a bunch of drunks at noon, but they were asking for like 12, 1, 2 o'clock [02:04:11] on so people can come in, have a couple beers in the afternoon. [02:04:14] A lot of people are doing it on their back porch over the weekends anyway, [02:04:17] and make a couple bucks. [02:04:18] Even if it's a little bit here and there, it helps. [02:04:19] That's, that's how they presented it to me during the, during the... [02:04:22] I was, my first thought was thinking of Friday night. [02:04:25] You know, something like happy hour starts at 5. [02:04:28] So let's do 5 to 11 on Friday. [02:04:30] Let's do 12, 12 to 11 on Saturday. [02:04:33] Sunday, I think we have 10 o'clock on Sunday, don't we, for Cavalier Square? [02:04:38] Do we have 10 o'clock? [02:04:39] Well, I didn't know when we had... [02:04:41] Whatever it is, whatever it is, 12 to, 12 to whatever that, [02:04:44] because I think we, I think we had a, had an hour earlier on Sunday. [02:04:48] I didn't know when we had the middle of the day 4th of July party [02:04:51] that I wasn't allowed to drink a beer and walk around out there. [02:04:54] So apparently I was in violation. [02:04:56] But one of the, one of the... [02:04:58] Chief, did you have... [02:04:59] I was going to say... [02:05:00] Can you come up to the microphone, Chief? [02:05:01] Yeah, come up to the mic, please. [02:05:04] One of the violations that Pete did was that he had a package license, [02:05:08] and he stood on the edge of his property and sold a beer, [02:05:12] and instead of giving the beer and letting them go down the street [02:05:14] and drink it wherever they want down at Railroad Square, [02:05:16] he took the cap off, poured it in a cup, and gave it to them. [02:05:19] That was a violation right there. [02:05:21] He had a package license, and he poured it and gave it to them. [02:05:24] So it wasn't sealed when it walked, left the property. [02:05:26] That's what I said. [02:05:27] He was, he was ignoring the rules. [02:05:29] Yeah. Oh, yeah. [02:05:30] Yeah. [02:05:30] Chief? [02:05:31] Chief. [02:05:31] I'd ask you to, if you're going to do this, [02:05:35] I'm not against it. [02:05:36] I'm against the not social distancing and all the rest of that stuff, [02:05:40] just like all of us are. [02:05:42] But I would ask that you think about going to the time frames [02:05:45] that we had established before, [02:05:47] because my staff put a lot of thought into that, [02:05:50] trying to figure out the best times for the businesses. [02:05:53] And we had spoken with Debbie and I think the mayor, [02:05:56] and we all kind of came up with the right time frames. [02:06:01] My family's been in the bar business for decades. [02:06:05] You know, I grew up in that environment. [02:06:07] And it's not just this little period of time that they're looking at. [02:06:12] It's that spotty people coming in that kind of keeps feeding [02:06:16] that cash register, just like you were saying, Councilman. [02:06:21] So I would just say, at least consider that. [02:06:24] But do keep in mind that we do have our demonstrators. [02:06:27] They will be here, guaranteed. [02:06:29] And it's not going to stop in a short period of time. [02:06:33] But we do have officers that will be down there. [02:06:36] And know that when these demonstrators see these people out there, [02:06:42] they're going to have their built-in audience. [02:06:44] And that's what a lot of them are looking for. [02:06:46] And that's why they've given such a hard time to the social [02:06:51] and Bourbon-on-Maine and whatever that other one is, Gatsby's. [02:06:57] Yeah, it's no secret they're looking to get engaged. [02:07:01] So if our public, you know, like I said before, [02:07:04] and I had a whole speech regarding this. [02:07:06] Not a speech, but a lot of points. [02:07:08] I'm going to wait until next Tuesday, [02:07:09] because I feel that people from that organization [02:07:11] will most likely be here next Tuesday. [02:07:12] But up until the gentleman from the social engaged them, [02:07:19] they were over the bridge, back, screaming. [02:07:21] To me, it's not peaceful. [02:07:23] It's not peaceful if you're yelling through a megaphone. [02:07:27] I could read you a couple of slogans that they read [02:07:29] that are hateful and not peaceful, by any means. [02:07:32] But when they weren't engaged, they were in and out. [02:07:36] The second they got engaged and this happened, [02:07:40] that's when it starts to just get out of hand. [02:07:44] So just notes to the public, whether you're [02:07:48] pro or against either side, because now we [02:07:50] have two demonstrators, two different groups [02:07:52] of demonstrators, which couldn't be further apart in their views. [02:07:56] If you just don't engage them and let them speak their point [02:08:00] and move on, everything will be fine. [02:08:03] The second they get engaged on either side, [02:08:05] I'm not picking one side out right now, [02:08:07] that's when it gets ugly. [02:08:08] Because we saw Saturday. [02:08:10] Saturday, what I saw downtown Saturday, right here [02:08:12] on Main Street, I'm not kidding at all. [02:08:16] I mean, I was alarmed. [02:08:17] I was really, really alarmed what I saw. [02:08:19] My concern is that both sides are now publicly stating [02:08:23] on social media that they're planning on showing up armed. [02:08:27] And you add alcohol to the mix, we're [02:08:31] going to have somebody get killed, [02:08:33] just as sure as we're sitting here. [02:08:36] Right, but we have Bourbon on Main. [02:08:38] We have the social with people outside. [02:08:39] And I hear you're saying, but we can't just shut down our city [02:08:42] because of these protesters either. [02:08:44] That's giving them what they want. [02:08:46] I mean, maybe giving them what they want. [02:08:47] I don't know. [02:08:49] And this was going to be my second point to you, [02:08:51] is just know that when I put officers down there, [02:08:54] they're not regular on-duty officers. [02:08:57] They're on my overtime. [02:08:58] So just know that there's that backdoor expense to the city [02:09:03] with this as well. [02:09:04] I have one question. [02:09:07] When Rhonda Santos came here and was at Spartan, [02:09:12] there were people that were on the other political party. [02:09:15] And they took barricades, and they set them off. [02:09:19] And they said, OK, if you want to be [02:09:20] on the other political party, then [02:09:22] you have to be inside this barricade. [02:09:24] Now, if we close off Railroad Square, [02:09:25] is there a possibility that we can say, [02:09:28] the protesting has to be outside of Railroad Square? [02:09:31] There's a zone for it, a free speech zone. [02:09:34] Yeah. [02:09:35] Chief? [02:09:36] They like marching through all of downtown, [02:09:39] as you know, Chief Barber. [02:09:40] I've got to tell you, Debbie and I and Tim, our attorney, [02:09:44] we have had so many conversations [02:09:46] over what lines we have to be looking at in order [02:09:50] to protect people's rights and not [02:09:51] infringe on those rights as a city and as a police department. [02:09:57] I think I know where the lines are. [02:09:59] I think if I would come up with a quick solution, [02:10:03] would be to barricade Railroad Square and simply go, [02:10:07] this is an event. [02:10:08] Although it's open to the public, [02:10:12] there's a line that we could draw in the sand [02:10:15] and say, you can't cross that. [02:10:16] You're not going to go in there. [02:10:18] You can do all your chanting and the rest of the stuff [02:10:20] that you want to do, but do it outside of these. [02:10:22] But I'd recommend that Debbie and I have another conversation [02:10:25] with Tim about this, because we have [02:10:27] talked about that subject no less than probably five [02:10:30] to 10 times. [02:10:31] And you and I have had several conversations as well, [02:10:33] Chief Bogart. [02:10:33] If we do that, can we shut off Railroad Square, [02:10:35] maybe even just have the wet zone to Grand Boulevard, [02:10:39] but go ahead and shut it off down to Nebraska, which [02:10:42] is where they were engaged, one group was engaged last time, [02:10:45] where all the trouble started, all the way just extend [02:10:49] that road. [02:10:50] Can we shut that whole road down and make [02:10:53] sure it stays on Main Street? [02:10:54] This is just such a constitutional issue [02:10:56] that I would be uncomfortable trying to answer it myself [02:11:00] without Tim's input. [02:11:01] I think he's something to think about. [02:11:03] Well, I just know they did that up. [02:11:04] I did that barricading off the two political parties [02:11:09] at the Spartan. [02:11:11] So I mean, there must be, you know. [02:11:14] I mean, they did that for Chasco Fiesta [02:11:17] X amount of years ago when they were the Indians. [02:11:20] Same Mr. Callahan, who was here. [02:11:22] Yeah, the Indians were actually here, [02:11:25] and they had a spot where they would be in the parade, [02:11:28] and a spot where they, you know, and they did their thing. [02:11:32] But it was like, OK, if you want to do it, [02:11:34] this is where you do it, in the parade. [02:11:36] And same thing, if this is where you want to do it, [02:11:38] this is where you got to do it in Railroad Square. [02:11:41] The other thing, I just want, go ahead. [02:11:43] I got to correct something you said first. [02:11:46] Mr. Callahan is not an Indian. [02:11:48] No, no, I didn't bring this up. [02:11:50] And the people of the American Indian movement [02:11:52] were not the Indians that participate in our event. [02:11:54] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [02:11:57] They weren't even near the park. [02:11:59] They were actually on. [02:12:00] Protesters. [02:12:01] Yeah, the Indians that were actually Indians [02:12:03] were in protestors. [02:12:04] They were on Grand Boulevard. [02:12:06] They had a section. [02:12:07] You said Indians who were protestors? [02:12:09] Indians that were protesting. [02:12:11] Well, yes, there was. [02:12:12] There was. [02:12:13] They were on Grand Boulevard. [02:12:14] I went by them. [02:12:15] I mean, I know I was in the parade. [02:12:17] Regardless, the protestors from both sides. [02:12:19] They were not the Indians in the park that we had brought here, [02:12:22] or they were not, it was Callahan's group. [02:12:24] They don't live in our city. [02:12:26] That's another thing that's frustrating, [02:12:27] because with these protests going on, [02:12:29] they're disrupting the peace of our residents and businesses. [02:12:34] And these folks don't even live in our city. [02:12:36] I don't know what we did to make this the epicenter [02:12:39] for protesting. [02:12:40] It could go on on 19. [02:12:42] They can march up and down 19 and pick out corners there. [02:12:45] The fact that these people are doing this, [02:12:47] and they're not even city residents, [02:12:49] and they're demanding how we fund our police department [02:12:51] on social media, and bashing our police department, our city, [02:12:54] and they don't even live here. [02:12:56] It is frustrating. [02:12:57] But like you said, people have rights. [02:12:59] And we've just got to do whatever [02:13:00] we can to mitigate any potential issues. [02:13:04] Debbie, you were trying to say something. [02:13:07] I just wanted to make the point that the groups that [02:13:12] have been demonstrating in Newport, [02:13:17] which they're not registered participants. [02:13:20] They don't disclose to us where they're going to be, [02:13:22] when they're going to be. [02:13:24] It's really through investigative work [02:13:27] that we're able to determine when and where they are. [02:13:32] So it is a little bit more difficult to control them. [02:13:37] And when I say control them, I don't mean it in that sense. [02:13:41] I mean to be able to direct them to protest in certain areas [02:13:46] or not in certain areas. [02:13:50] Absolutely. [02:13:51] Technically, you're supposed to apply for a permit [02:13:54] to have a gathering of over, what, 50 people? [02:13:57] And so the organizers, what I'm told, well, we're expecting 30. [02:14:02] So it's kind of tough to enforce as far as that goes. [02:14:07] But once again, to our residents, to our business, [02:14:09] the people that are going to be on the streets this weekend [02:14:12] or any time, just don't engage. [02:14:13] And it will help out tremendously. [02:14:16] For my conversations, correct me if I'm wrong, Chief Bogart, [02:14:19] just don't engage like that gentleman did. [02:14:21] You're feeding the fire if you engage. [02:14:24] You're just throwing more fuel on it. [02:14:26] That's life. [02:14:27] That's even between you and I, Pete. [02:14:29] Well, you'll find out soon enough. [02:14:32] Yeah, I didn't mean to drag this on, [02:14:33] but I did want you to have those points to consider. [02:14:36] I appreciate that, Chief. [02:14:38] All right. [02:14:39] So it's a mystery. [02:14:42] So you want to try Saturday first? [02:14:46] That gives you the rest of the week, Debbie? [02:14:49] If we're going to do it, I think Chopper's idea [02:14:51] of having city-provided tables placed somewhere [02:14:57] makes a lot of sense. [02:15:00] Does B.J. still have his tables? [02:15:08] Gosh. [02:15:09] Yeah. [02:15:10] And he has about, he has all that we need, right, to start out with. [02:15:13] He looked like he had about eight or ten of them. [02:15:15] He's against my idea. [02:15:20] We have, he has eight or ten, you know, and then if Juan's want to put out a couple of [02:15:27] tables, let him put out a couple of tables, and if Fitzgerald wants to move a couple out, [02:15:32] they were always worried about, we have to move them out, and then we have to take them [02:15:35] back in. [02:15:36] So they, you know, chained a couple of them to the outside of the gate. [02:15:42] And if you could just check with Mr. Driscoll about whether or not we can close down all [02:15:46] of Nebraska. [02:15:48] I will do that. [02:15:49] Do we still have those barricades that were in the, by the library? [02:15:54] Yes. [02:15:55] There we go. [02:15:56] There we go. [02:15:57] Chief O'Grady. [02:15:58] We'll let you sit up. [02:16:01] We're not making your job easy, apparently. [02:16:03] No, because I think, we have a trailer full of barricades sitting right at our police [02:16:08] department, all loaded up, the ones like we use during the parades. [02:16:14] So we have barricades readily available, and Robert's crew is always Johnny on the spot. [02:16:20] So barricades are not an issue. [02:16:22] Right, but we have to make sure it's legal to do so. [02:16:26] Right. [02:16:27] Right. [02:16:28] We'll do that together. [02:16:29] Speaking of chopper's ideas, I remember another one of his ideas. [02:16:32] So you want to shoot for Saturday, then? [02:16:35] That gives you the rest of the week? [02:16:37] I think it's safer to start with, in my opinion, to start with Saturday, with projected protests [02:16:43] going on Friday, and we're not sure what to expect there as well, like the mayor said. [02:16:46] Maybe just, I'd like to start Saturday earlier than 5, though, I'd like to start. [02:16:50] Yeah, yeah, no, I'm saying Saturday's like 12 to 11, and then Sunday's like 12 to 10. [02:16:56] I think 10, I want to say 10 is a number on Sunday. [02:16:58] And once again to our residents, please just social distance so we can do this. [02:17:03] If you don't social distance. [02:17:04] And bring a mask. [02:17:06] And $5 to get in. [02:17:09] What? [02:17:10] We've got overtime. [02:17:11] Well, you're going to go collect. [02:17:14] Don't hate me, Mr. Mayor, okay? [02:17:16] I don't hate you. [02:17:18] I'm just not convinced this is going to work. [02:17:22] You know, we got in trouble, and we got sent to our rooms, you know, and if we went out [02:17:26] and did it again, then it was done. [02:17:28] But if we're good, then we got to continue to do it. [02:17:32] $5, check their temperature, come in and have, you know. [02:17:38] I move for adjournment. [02:17:39] That'll keep protesters out. [02:17:40] Thank you. [02:17:41] I'd like to thank Crystal Feast and Robert Rivera and Amanda Grisco for all of their [02:17:51] hard work on the budgets that we were able to present to you this evening. [02:17:56] They did a wonderful job. [02:17:57] I'm sorry, we get off on our contingents and forget to thank you all. [02:18:01] Thank you. [02:18:02] They're probably the teams that you work with, too. [02:18:05] We never actually got past Deputy Mayor Starkey. [02:18:08] Did anybody else have any communications? [02:18:10] I've spoken enough tonight already. [02:18:12] In that case, I will entertain a motion to go.

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3. 3Communications
4. 4Adjournment