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   Review of the FY2018/2019-FY2022/2023 Capital Improvement Program

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   Staff presented an overview of the proposed FY2018/2019–FY2022/2023 Capital Improvement Program, including a $13,326,000 capital budget for the upcoming year funded by stormwater utility, Penny for Pasco, water/sewer, CRA, street improvement, and grants. Robert Rivera walked Council through general fund, stormwater, parks, and public safety/infrastructure project schedules, and Council provided feedback and direction including adding fund balance roll-forwards, exploring boardwalk access at Francis Avenue Park, and considering alternate tennis court surfaces.

   • direction:Council directed staff (Crystal) to provide a five-year roll-forward of fund balances, including Penny for Pasco penny one and penny two, to support CIP decision-making. (none)
   • direction:Council expressed interest in exploring a boardwalk/dock along the riverfront at Francis Avenue Park to improve river access. (none)
   • direction:Council passed along a suggestion to consider an alternate (turf-like) surface for the Recreation Center tennis courts. (none)

   📍Beach Street (north of Gulf High School)📍Conger Street southern entrance📍Francis Avenue Park📍Grand Boulevard📍Hemlock Drive📍Main Street Bridge📍River Road north of Main Street📍Sims Park boat ramp🏢Gulf High School🏢Johnson Controls🏢SwiftMUD🏢USDA🏢VOLTAIR👤Brian👤Crystal👤Ms. Manns👤Robert Rivera#2018 Beach Street Stormwater Project#Aquatic Center and Recreation Center Restroom/Locker Room Project#Central Fire Station Relocation#Community Redevelopment Authority#FY2018/2019-FY2022/2023 Capital Improvement Program#Francis Avenue Park Improvements#Hemlock Drive Stormwater Improvement#James E. Gray Preserve Improvements Phase 1#Main Street Bridge Improvement#Miscellaneous Flood Control Water Quality Projects#Penny for Pasco#Recreation Center Tennis Courts Improvements#Recreation and Aquatic Chiller Replacement#Seawall Stabilization Phase 1 and 2#Sims Park Boat Ramp Improvement Phase 2#Stormwater Utility Fund#Street Improvement Program

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   [00:00:09] Ms. Manns. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The Capital Improvement Project proposed budget is a five-year plan of proposed expenditures for capital projects, [00:00:20] and it also includes the means of financing them. The plan is a working blueprint for sustaining and improving the community's infrastructure. [00:00:28] I put together a PowerPoint just to briefly introduce the program. Next slide, Brian. [00:00:38] And to talk to you a little bit about the benefits of the program and how a capital improvement project budget is established. [00:00:48] In terms of overview, the Capital Improvement Program is updated annually to reflect changing community needs, priorities, and funding opportunities [00:00:59] to ensure that the infrastructure will exist to advance the city's strategic and long-term goals and objectives. A CIP contains two components. [00:01:10] The first part is a capital budget, and the second is a capital program. The budget reflects the upcoming year's spending plan for capital items. [00:01:21] The capital program is a plan for capital expenditures that extend four years beyond the capital budget. [00:01:29] The upcoming year's capital improvement project budget is in the amount of $13,326,000 and involves a variety of funding sources. [00:01:42] The most notable are Stormwater Utility, Capital Projects, Honey for Pasco, the Water and Sewer Fund, the Community Redevelopment Authority, [00:01:54] Street Improvement Program, and federal and state grants. [00:02:00] Excuse me one minute, I'll be right back. Just carry on. [00:02:02] Oh, okay. There are great benefits afforded to cities and other municipal organizations that do capital improvement project budgeting. [00:02:16] The first is that it synchronizes capital and operating budgets. Secondly, it evaluates systemically between commuting demands and resources based on a prioritization matrix [00:02:31] reflecting the long-term goals and objectives of the City Council. Additionally, it identifies and prioritizes and optimizes the financing of capital projects. [00:02:44] It links strategic and comprehensive plans with fiscal capacity and it informs the public about the City's investment and its infrastructure. [00:02:56] I thought it would be interesting for our newer members of Council to know how a capital improvement program is developed. [00:03:07] The first thing that is done is we assign a lead department. In our case, we assign our public works department to that task and they work along with the finance department [00:03:25] to establish a CIP budget calendar which details all of our milestone dates for the CIP process. [00:03:34] The finance department then develops specific forms and distributes them to department heads for the purpose of detailing project proposals. [00:03:45] We conduct budget hearings and prioritization and decision-making occurs with the city manager to evaluate and select the specific capital projects that are being recommended to you. [00:04:00] The selected projects, plans, and financing summaries are then compiled and presented to you, the elected officials, for review and deliberation. [00:04:11] The City Council then conducts hearings, workshops, and other outreach efforts to ensure that all stakeholders and interested parties can provide feedback. [00:04:24] The adoption of the budget is the final thing that occurs in the process. The CIPs proposed in the first year after approval by you become the capital budget. [00:04:40] Our first public hearing on the budget is to occur on September 6, 2018. Our final public hearing budget occurs on September 25, which leaves us over two glorious weeks to have work sessions as frequently as you'd like to discuss details related to the proposed program. [00:05:05] The other point that I want to make is that purchases in excess of $1,500 or projects in excess of $10,000 are considered to be capital in nature. [00:05:18] If there aren't any questions, I'm going to turn it over to the lead, Mr. Rivera, who has worked with the Finance Department in putting together the budget. We can get started with specific proposals outlined in the project budget. [00:05:40] Thank you. The first summary for the funding is the general fund sheet. The first project that we're going to talk about is the recreation and aquatic chiller replacement. [00:05:56] This project was identified in the VOLTAIR HVAC deficiency analysis during the RAC Center project expansion with the fitness center. There was some HVAC work that had to be done to accommodate that expansion. [00:06:11] During that time, we had the electrical consultant come in, analyze the existing system, and recommend the different areas that needed to be upgraded or replaced. The two chillers that we have now have served their useful life and we're actually putting band-aids on them to keep them running. [00:06:31] It also includes the system control replacements. That was another recommendation. What we've done in the past with our facilities management is our HVAC systems have included what we would call Johnson Control system controls. [00:06:51] They're proprietary, which means that a lot of the electrical companies or HVAC companies cannot work on the systems unless they're licensed. That limits us. It increases our costs for any other type of work that needs to be done with the controllers. [00:07:09] What we've implemented now is that when we do these major upgrades or replacements to our systems, we're going to an open system to where anybody can work on the controllers. That's included in this project. [00:07:23] The next project is the Aquatic Center and Recreation Center's restroom locker rooms project. The proposed project is to replace the tile and have an application of an epoxy flooring system that will upgrade these restrooms. [00:07:51] They're in pretty bad shape. The remaining projects that you see on that sheet are all in the future years. I don't know if you have any questions on those. [00:08:05] Robert, if I may, just to explain the document that you're looking at. It's separated by each city fund that has capital projects. The first schedule that Robert just went over are all of the general fund capital projects. [00:08:30] The subsequent pages provide you with a narrative or explanation of the projects that are in the capital budget or what we're proposing for fiscal year 18-19. You won't have a narrative for anything after that for the next four years, but only of what's being proposed for next year's budget. [00:08:53] It's a schedule of everything, and then you have your narratives of those projects being proposed for next year. Each fund has its own schedule. [00:09:04] Let me ask Robert one question. You and I had a discussion, and it might be coming up later, I don't know if it's even in this packet or what the plan is, but we had a discussion on the sidewalk on River Road north of Main Street. It's extremely narrow, and it's literally like six inches off the line of the road. [00:09:18] I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about taking that entire sidewalk up, making a wider sidewalk further from the road, because it is used quite a bit from people walking downtown to the park, biking downtown to the park. Is that going to be in here at all? [00:09:31] It's in here. [00:09:32] It is? Okay, perfect. I just didn't want to slip my mind. [00:09:36] Yeah, I think my question is for Crystal, which is, as you pointed this out to the next page and show the $3 million worth of what you say is coming out of the capital improvement fund, the penny for PASCO is identified to a lot of those sources, but there's no beginning balance, or we don't know how much is in that account that you're working or drafting off of. [00:10:04] I know that was just such a big issue years back. How's that balanced? What do we have in it? When we get ready to make decisions, I think we'll probably have to look at that. [00:10:18] Yeah, I have a summary that will provide a roll forward of the funds for penny one and penny two and how we've exhausted penny one funds, so I will prepare that and make sure you guys have it. [00:10:30] I think the key is just what do we anticipate starting out the year with in terms of penny for PASCO funds, so we know what we've collected and what's coming in. [00:10:39] Okay. [00:10:40] That would be an excellent thing, Crystal. Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Rivera. [00:10:47] Thank you. Our next funding source is the stormwater utility. The first project we have is miscellaneous flood control water quality projects. You'll see the total sum of $300,000. [00:11:01] These projects are basically reactive projects where you identify flooding that occurs during the rainy season and you need to have funds to take care of that. [00:11:13] If you have DOT projects, as an example, and they're in the middle of doing their project and we have a storm pipe that's in the way, it's our responsibility to relocate that, and that can get pretty expensive. [00:11:26] A lot of times, sometimes our existing system will give way and we'll have to line a section of pipe. We allocate those funds to where we'll have them to be able to use it in that case. [00:11:38] The following project is the Hemlock Drive stormwater improvement, and that project's associated with the properties that we bought a few years ago that we were going to take and install stormwater retention areas with overflows and tie into existing systems. [00:12:00] This is the last lot that the city purchased in that group of three. Part of this will be funded by SwiftMUD, $30,000. [00:12:10] I would just like to make a note that the projects that you see on this sheet and the other projects that you'll see with the utilities are all based on a master plan. [00:12:20] We just don't come up with these. We get with a consultant. The consultant gets staff input, gets residents input. [00:12:29] They come up with a document that city council reviews and approves, and it calls out the areas where we need to have our infrastructure improved, and that's what these types of projects are based on. [00:12:44] The last project that we have in this coming year is the 2018 Beach Street stormwater project. That location is just north of Gulf High School in that area. [00:12:57] We have a lot of areas there that do not have an existing system, or if they do have a system there, it's inadequate. This project calls for the upsizing of an existing system and some additional structures that are going to be added. [00:13:14] So that concludes this sheet. Is there any questions? [00:13:20] I'm just going to repeat my comments before. For every fund that we had for the whole five years, we had a running perspectives of how much money we started, how much we were expecting to receive, what would be the balance so that we could look at the five-year capital plan. [00:13:37] So, again, this is just basic what you want to spend, and it doesn't really give any kind of tracking of the balances in our accounts. It was embedded in the old documents. I know that all got scrapped, but there was a reason to put that in there, and I think it's going to be difficult to make decisions if we don't know how much money we have to start in these funds, [00:14:01] particularly as the City Council talks about additional projects that we want to add into the mix and our ability to prioritize and put our mark on this. [00:14:15] So having been described that we're going to have this fast session of two weeks in order to go from one budget to the other and try to work those things out, it's going to be a bit stressful. [00:14:27] So to the degree we could know how much money is in these funds or expected to be in these funds as we're getting close to being able to project the end of the fiscal year, that would be very helpful. [00:14:40] Just to clarify, the rolling balance you would want for future years, so the whole five-year plan to flow into that balance, because for the year being proposed, obviously there's a revenue schedule that would show how these are being funded and the coverage. [00:15:00] But you all have a lot of work to do, so I'm not asking you to do something that's going [00:15:04] to get in the way of this very difficult time of year to make sure you meet all your deadlines [00:15:08] and get all your, you know, reports in and fill everything out. [00:15:13] But I think that I just want to point out that as we make decisions about a five-year [00:15:17] capital plan, you know, you have one year where you're calling for $385,000, another [00:15:22] for $1,000,001, $1,000,004, it's not that big a stretch to go back and insert those [00:15:30] estimates of revenue each year and just keep a balance going. [00:15:33] So it's just a mathematical equation that helps to look and see our timing on these [00:15:39] things. [00:15:40] Well, I know it makes sense as well because then we know if there's anything left over. [00:15:44] Obviously there's a budget error. [00:15:45] We wouldn't be, they wouldn't be in here, but I'd like to know if there's an additional [00:15:49] fund on top of this in case there are things we'd like to input, so I agree. [00:15:56] Absolutely. [00:15:57] Thank you. [00:15:58] We'll continue on to the next sheet. [00:16:03] We're looking at the James E. Gray Preserve Improvements Phase 1. [00:16:09] This project includes the shell, the construction of a shell parking lot at the, at the southern [00:16:19] entrance of Conger Street and that property that the city purchased a few years back. [00:16:26] The phase also includes the construction of a walking trail and a pedestrian bridge crossing [00:16:33] into the Gray Preserve. [00:16:39] The Recreation Center Tennis Courts Improvements, this is a project that, that was a rollover. [00:16:46] If you recall, we had to do some additional engineering. [00:16:51] We had some cracks that we wanted to look at and verify that we didn't have any sink [00:16:59] holes or any kind of activities similar to that underneath the, the existing court. [00:17:05] So this year we ended up completing the GPR, the ground penetrating radar, and boring underneath [00:17:13] the existing deck surface, which indicated that we had no major flaws underneath the [00:17:20] structure. [00:17:21] So we will go back to design, finish the design, and then the following year we will do the [00:17:27] construction. [00:17:28] Mr. Rivera, on this particular one, I had a gentleman who claimed to have some expertise [00:17:36] in tennis, had suggested that we might want to look at using an alternate surface for [00:17:45] the tennis courts, for lack of a better term, at the turf. [00:17:50] That's my term, not his, but basically with the idea that it would be easier on people [00:17:57] and would likely hold up better than just the bare asphalt or concrete. [00:18:06] Pass that along as a suggestion, so. [00:18:15] In addition to the work on the tennis courts, we do have some electrical upgrades in that [00:18:22] project that would include some of the parking lot lighting, the lighting for the tennis [00:18:27] courts themselves, and then there is some storm water issues that need to be taken care [00:18:34] of. [00:18:35] Funding sources for this project are Penny for Pasco, sales tax proceeds of $135,000, [00:18:43] and then $50,000 of storm water utility fees. [00:18:56] Our next project is the Francis Avenue Park improvements. [00:19:01] As you recall, this year we are currently replacing the restroom and completing those [00:19:07] types of improvements for phase one. [00:19:11] Next year we will take and replace the existing picnic shelters, the tables, trash cans, and [00:19:19] benches, as well as add a few additional sidewalks to be able to tie in some of those missing [00:19:25] links to the different areas. [00:19:28] Mr. Rivera, if I may, I brought this up before our colleagues were on council, but it's just [00:19:34] something I want to bring up again. [00:19:36] Francis Avenue Park is a beautiful park on the river, but there's no access to the river [00:19:40] aside from one small dock and the kayak launch. [00:19:43] I would love to see if we could look in, I mean, all of our other waterfront parks have [00:19:46] river access. [00:19:47] You walk along the seawall in Sims Park, the boulevard, you know, the park north of Sims [00:19:51] Park, the park over by Schwetman, I'd love to see back behind that picnic shelter if [00:19:57] we could put some kind of boardwalk dock that would allow kids and families and whoever [00:20:02] wants to utilize it, just get closer to the river, go out, be able to fish off the boardwalk [00:20:07] dock. [00:20:08] It's just, to me, it's just frustrating. [00:20:09] We have a riverfront park, but there's really very limited access to the river, and you [00:20:15] have to look just over a bunch of foliage out to see where the river meets the land. [00:20:20] So if we could start looking, if everyone agrees, at least looking at the cost of putting [00:20:27] some kind of boardwalk-type dock area the full length of where the river meets the land [00:20:32] there at the park, I think it would just make that park a much, much nicer place to visit. [00:20:39] I would certainly be interested in exploring that as well. [00:20:45] Are those mangrove bushes that are all along a good bit of the river, I guess, we have [00:20:51] environmental issues that we can't clear? [00:20:54] We'd have to look at that, but I think we'd be able to do it. [00:20:58] There's a lot of Brazilian peppers, but there is mangroves. [00:21:00] Yeah, the Brazilian peppers is a worthwhile project to try to get it covered. [00:21:06] But if it's elevating, if there's mangroves underneath, just to get people out overlooking [00:21:09] the river. [00:21:10] Right, and you're allowed to trim them now, too, so I think if we could work with it and [00:21:15] get something... [00:21:16] Thanks for addressing that, because I hear that over and over and over again, whether [00:21:19] or not you're allowed to trim the mangroves back to your house where your seawall meets [00:21:23] mangroves, and people are, you know, we even had someone in here complain to their neighbor [00:21:27] about their neighbor, remember? [00:21:29] Just a few months ago, because they trimmed the mangroves. [00:21:30] Yeah, now you still have to get a permit. [00:21:31] As long as you're not yanking them out, but roots are in the water, it's a plant that [00:21:34] needed oxygen. [00:21:35] But thanks for clarifying. [00:21:36] If everyone's watching on TV, you are now allowed to trim your mangroves, because it's [00:21:41] been a question that's come up over and over and over again. [00:21:44] I noticed a sign, Mr. Mayor, out at the far end of the city's stretch on Grand Boulevard [00:21:50] there that said, don't trim mangroves or something. [00:21:53] I think that was where the incident had occurred that you're talking about. [00:21:58] So if that sign is not correct, or if it says you must get a permit or something in small [00:22:04] writing, but I looked at it, it almost seemed to me it said don't trim them. [00:22:09] So we should have a consistent message, I guess. [00:22:14] I think the reason for that is because it's our property, and people were just showing [00:22:20] up to get a clear view, and cutting them all the way down. [00:22:25] And then we were having to answer to the state of why our mangroves were being trimmed. [00:22:32] I hear you. [00:22:33] Thank you. [00:22:34] Thanks for the clarification. [00:22:35] Are there any other questions on this sheet? [00:22:44] That would be the fire station. [00:23:04] Page 18, our first project that we have on there is the central fire station relocation. [00:23:11] We have funds in there this year, or this coming year, in the amount of $300,000 for [00:23:16] site acquisition, $300,000 for engineering, and then $1.2 million for construction. [00:23:24] The funding source on this would be a USDA loan. [00:23:32] The following project is the seawall stabilization phase one and two. [00:23:42] This is a rollover project. [00:23:43] If you recall, you had approved the phase one project that was supposed to occur this [00:23:50] year. [00:23:52] We took a little bit longer than what we thought we were going to in design, because we wanted [00:23:56] to make sure that what we're going to propose for phase one, two, and I think there's either [00:24:03] four or five phases that we're really certain that we've got the best product that we can [00:24:08] get. [00:24:09] So with that being said, we've proposed to go ahead and push the phase one into next [00:24:16] year with the rollover funds, and just combine the phase one and two, and then that way we're [00:24:22] not paying double for mobilization. [00:24:24] We're not paying the consultant double for bidding fees and those types of things. [00:24:32] Next project that we have is the main street bridge improvement. [00:24:40] That includes the removal of the existing benches. [00:24:44] I think we talked about trying to relocate them in a different area, but we would replace [00:24:52] those with a more traditional style type of bench. [00:24:56] It would include hardscape improvements, the installation of large planters. [00:25:02] Some of the decorative pavers that you see out there now would be replaced with a different [00:25:07] type of pattern to try to incorporate that area more of a pedestrian friendly seating [00:25:15] area. [00:25:17] It would include upgrades to the existing LED lighting that you see on the bridge, and [00:25:23] then the possible lighting of either side of the bridge or underneath it. [00:25:28] The fund source that we have is penny for pasco tax dollars, and that project is expected [00:25:37] to be completed next year as a whole, which would include design and construction. [00:25:47] The next one that we have is the Sims Park boat ramp improvement. [00:25:55] This is actually what we would consider phase two. [00:25:58] Phase one was the installation of the PD boat lift and some of those improvements that you [00:26:04] saw. [00:26:05] This phase would include the removal and the replacement of the existing restroom. [00:26:12] It would also include the boat ramp extension. [00:26:16] I don't know if many of you know it, but a lot of times depending on what the tide is, [00:26:22] there's a pretty big drop off when you're backing your boat in there. [00:26:25] There's also a few rocks that are in the center that this project would include us being able [00:26:30] to remove. [00:26:31] It would also include some of the improvements to the sidewalks and the replacement of the [00:26:39] shelters in the kiosk. [00:26:41] The funding source would be penny for pasco tax dollars, and we'd be looking at a total [00:26:47] sum of $235,000 with future years of $200,000. [00:26:53] So the project basically would be split in half. [00:26:56] Some of the projects that we're trying to do so where we can start a lot of them and [00:27:00] keep moving with our limited funds that we have is to split them up in a year to where [00:27:08] they roll over into the following year. [00:27:11] When we did the reconstruction even prior, I can't recall. [00:27:14] Is there one of those tubes to put the used fishing line in at the boat ramp currently? [00:27:21] I saw it was on Facebook or somewhere. [00:27:23] Some of our city employees actually saved the blue herring that was up in a tree at [00:27:27] Sims Park overlooking the head. [00:27:29] We did. [00:27:30] We've got them in the parks, and then we've also got them along the Cody River. [00:27:33] We got a call. [00:27:34] The blue herring had some fishing line and stuff. [00:27:37] Kudos to our city employees. [00:27:39] I didn't know if we had them or not, so thank you. [00:27:45] It'd be a red herring or a blue herring. [00:27:47] Just correct. [00:27:52] The next project that we have is the city hall facility renovations. [00:27:59] This will be the closeout or the second half of the existing glass block wall that we're [00:28:05] getting ready to get started. [00:28:07] It looks like it's a standstill, but because of having to take that whole area off the [00:28:13] front of the building, we've instructed the contractor that we don't want him to start [00:28:18] any kind of work until he has all of the material on site so that as soon as he removes an existing [00:28:25] panel or area, he can install the other panel. [00:28:28] So this is part of that. [00:28:30] It blows my mind how much that costs. [00:28:32] I mean, I saw the cost out front on the side. [00:28:34] It's just mind-boggling. [00:28:36] It is what it is, but it's just crazy. [00:28:39] It's a lot of structural improvements that have to be done before you can insert just [00:28:44] the glass. [00:28:51] Of course, in future years, it would also include new sliding entryway doors and restroom [00:28:58] upgrades and the refurbishing of the existing stairway. [00:29:12] The last project that we have on this sheet for this year would be the library facility [00:29:17] improvements. [00:29:18] We have budgeted $30,000 for engineering and construction. [00:29:22] It's at $200,000. [00:29:24] This would also be a penny for PASCO tax dollars. [00:29:29] This project includes some interior painting, lobby upgrades, and the repurposing of several [00:29:35] rooms and offices. [00:29:37] And all of this would be done in conjunction with the needs assessment or the space assessment [00:29:45] that the consultant had performed this year. [00:29:48] Of course, future projects would come down according to those recommendations as far [00:29:54] as which items or elements that council would choose to incorporate and when they would [00:29:59] choose to incorporate. [00:30:00] them. Any other questions on this sheet? Not yet. Next sheet we also have the Orange Lake [00:30:20] Restoration Project. I think we talked about that at the previous meeting before last. [00:30:27] It includes the restoration of banks, the planning of littoral shelves, a lot of stormwater [00:30:32] pollution structures that are going to be installed, floodgates to be able to control [00:30:38] the potential for flooding downtown, reduce that possibility. It also includes the installation [00:30:45] of a diffuser system. We talked about that as far as to get a good mixture of that body [00:30:52] of water right now. Right now we've got a dead spot in a section of it. It's about 17 [00:30:59] feet deep. I think the dead spot is between 12 feet, somewhere around there. This system [00:31:06] will actually help mix that water, make the body healthier, and then hopefully maybe the [00:31:15] clarity will come back. It also includes the construction of two boardwalks and overlooks. [00:31:22] How confident are we that the clarity is going to come back? I think a lot of people [00:31:27] have the impression that once we dredged the bottom of the lake it was going to be a little [00:31:30] more clear. Are we pretty confident with this new system that the water is going to be more [00:31:34] clear now? I think you're going to see an improvement, but I don't think you're going [00:31:38] to see an improvement overnight. I think it's going to take some time. I think that there [00:31:45] is going to be other elements that we're going to have to incorporate, but I think we will [00:31:50] get there. We will see a definite improvement. An example would be if we can get that air [00:32:00] circulating and we can get the water healthy, then the algae booms that we get every year, [00:32:07] the fish kills that we get every year, you should see less and less of those. Just because [00:32:14] you take the fish out and just because you get it sprayed, you still have that after [00:32:18] effect that the water has got to rebound from. That could be several months. Depending on [00:32:26] what type of summer you have, that lake might not get a chance to rebound. Right now we [00:32:32] only have one pollution structure. If you take into consideration the rain amounts that [00:32:38] we've had this year, the amount of stormwater runoff that's going in the lake is keeping [00:32:44] it from rebounding as well. I think once we start installing all of these items, I think [00:32:51] you will see it. That was one of the things that we had to talk about with Swift Mud. [00:32:57] They were willing to give us some money for the project, but we had to also demonstrate [00:33:04] in concrete numbers how we would improve it and the results that we would expect to get. [00:33:11] The next project is the parking lot improvements and expansion, but it does go hand in hand [00:33:41] with the downtown parking structure needs assessment and implementation, which you'll [00:33:47] see that's out in year 22-23. We are going to be coming to you within, I think, a month [00:33:57] to have the consultant present the implementation plan that we just completed, which is going [00:34:04] to give you several different recommendations on the parking situation the way it is downtown [00:34:14] now. It's a good thing to have. It's like a master plan that you can build off of and [00:34:21] you can pick those improvements and you can react to them now instead of having to react [00:34:25] to them when it becomes a problem. You're going to have to do these reports every so [00:34:33] often. Typically, if you were ahead of the ballgame, you might not have to do one of [00:34:38] these for 10 years, but because we don't know if we have a perceived problem or if we have [00:34:46] a legitimate problem or just how extensive it is, we've put this in here so that we can [00:34:54] do them more frequently to be able to stay on top of it and to be able to get a grip [00:35:00] of everything so that we can move as the city moves and the businesses grow. [00:35:07] We've also put $50,000 in because one of the low-hanging fruits of the report that was [00:35:13] presented to you was some of the parking lots have the potential to be able to be reconfigured [00:35:19] or restriped to where you could get additional parking without having to invest extensive [00:35:26] capital funds for now. So the project that we're talking about will actually be in more [00:35:34] detailed when the consultant presents that to you, I think in September. [00:35:40] Mr. Rivera, the parking lot that is behind Ritchie Suncoast Theater and over towards [00:35:48] Bank Street, we recently had an approval to do a dumpster with covers for the restaurant [00:36:04] there, and I don't know if that area has already been expanded to reflect that, but I did notice [00:36:12] cutting through the lot from a meeting I had this morning to get back to Railroad Square [00:36:18] that there is an enormous blind spot as you're coming out of that eastern-most aisle onto [00:36:26] Nebraska, and we probably do either need to reconfigure the way the traffic is flowing [00:36:34] there, or if nothing else, put a mirror up so that people can see what potentially is [00:36:42] coming at them eastbound on Nebraska as they slide out beyond that big dumpster enclosure. [00:36:54] The one parking issue, we've had so many discussions about parking, and it's ongoing, and I know [00:36:59] Talk of the Town has had their meetings on Monday. I don't know if Robert wants to address [00:37:04] it, Ms. Manns, or Mario. The one parking issue that I see being a serious issue in the near [00:37:10] future is they're wanting to open the Hacienda by the end of next year. I know the Lakeside [00:37:16] Inn in Montoro is a much larger hotel, but they have employee parking on site, they have [00:37:22] parking for their guests. I'm excited about the Hacienda, but I'm nervous about where [00:37:27] their employees are going to park, where their guests are going to park. I understand if [00:37:31] you just go there for dinner, you can kind of park anywhere, even one of the other city [00:37:35] parking lots and walk there, but most hotels, you don't drop off luggage at the front door, [00:37:40] which in this case is, I know we're going to have an entrance off of Main as well, but [00:37:44] historically the main entrance is off of Bank Street. I'm nervous about where people are [00:37:51] going to park across the board once the Hacienda opens. I know you've been in discussions, [00:37:56] but could you all just address that and see what the plans are at this point? [00:38:03] At this point, the plans are that half of the Gloria Swanson parking lot would be dedicated [00:38:12] to support the uses at the Hacienda Hotel. The other part of this that's currently in [00:38:19] process is the city has entered into discussions with the county about acquiring their parking [00:38:28] lot at 5640 Main Street. That is the health department. The county has indicated an interest [00:38:39] in allowing the city to take over control of that lot. If the city is willing to guarantee [00:38:49] that it will be maintained for public service parking, and just with a reorientation of [00:38:55] that lot and re-striping, we would pick up 25 parking spots, which we would hope would [00:39:03] be used by Hacienda staff. [00:39:05] And staff, so how many staff are we looking at once the Hacienda opens on a daily basis? [00:39:11] And how many rooms in the Hacienda as well? [00:39:15] It could be, okay, actually you've got the room count today, it's going to be 40 rooms. [00:39:19] 40 rooms. [00:39:19] Yes. [00:39:19] So max capacity, that's a minimum of 40 cars. [00:39:22] And then, I mean, I've heard you mention as many as 60 staff, but that would be different [00:39:28] times of the day. [00:39:30] Even with half the Gloria Swanson parking lot and the parking lot behind the health [00:39:32] building, I'm just not getting warm and fuzzy feelings and confident feelings that that's [00:39:37] going to cut it. Maybe we could even look into having some further off-site parking [00:39:43] and some kind of shuttle program for employees, whether it be a golf cart or a little van [00:39:48] or something. It's just, I mean, it's a good start and I hope it works. I'm just, half [00:39:55] the Gloria Swanson parking lot and that parking lot behind the health department, I'm just [00:39:58] not sure that's going to cut it. I hope it does, I hope it will, but I just think we [00:40:02] need to have some backup plans. [00:40:03] Sure. [00:40:04] I think that's a good segue to maybe a higher elevation viewpoint on all of this. [00:40:13] And so my request would be that parking lot improvements, infrastructure improvements [00:40:20] that relate to redevelopment activity ought to be settled into the CRA plan, because that's [00:40:30] what we've gotten all of the objections about, is whether we use CRA money right and what's [00:40:35] being done where. And, you know, it's important, and I'm going to follow on what Councilman [00:40:42] Davis said about the CRA and the general fund being brothers. You know, the brother [00:40:47] that's doing the redevelopment is the CRA, and the brother that's on a fixed income, [00:40:52] so to speak, on Social Security is the general fund. So with a $367 million tax base, we [00:41:02] just don't have, we're on a fixed income for however many years the CRA goes out when it [00:41:08] comes to the tax roll. So, you know, mixing parking lot improvements, I understand from [00:41:15] a staff level it doesn't separate, it's all part of the same thing, but I would really [00:41:20] like for the CRA to sit down and make its capital improvement plan so that we can develop [00:41:25] the plan that's going to grow the city from that end, and try to maintain that separation [00:41:31] between the CRA and our developer hat, and the general fund, and our sustainability, [00:41:39] how we're going to survive on a fixed income for the rest of our life. That's 30, my life [00:41:44] anyway, 30 years, however long it goes. I think it's just critical that we, to be successful [00:41:52] that, and to keep the general fund functioning, that we're going to have to be, we know we [00:41:58] have eyes watching us as to how we're using our funds. Anything that sounds like a redevelopment [00:42:02] project, I would like to see in a CRA redevelopment capital improvement plan as part of the CRA's [00:42:10] capital improvement budget as well. So it's an extra budget, or an extra document, but [00:42:16] I think it's time we start separating what's going to help us grow our tax base with what [00:42:21] is going to help us to maintain or grow our services. [00:42:25] Right, and they go hand in hand, I would agree. Back to the parking lots real quick, like [00:42:30] the ones that are designated strictly for the Hacienda, are we going to have pass key [00:42:33] gates, like at the Glory Swanson? I mean, how are you going to keep people from parking [00:42:36] there just because... [00:42:37] No, the public has, it's a non-exclusive agreement, the public has just as much right to park [00:42:41] there. [00:42:41] So I'm feeling even more pessimistic now. Honestly. We're opening an 80 room hotel with [00:42:48] 60 employees, and we're talking about just the parking lot behind the health building, [00:42:53] and half the Glory Swanson parking lot, but we can't keep the public from parking there. [00:42:57] So I'm sure that Mr. Gunderson has ideas, but we're wanting to get this thing open by [00:43:03] the end of next year. I think we need to have a better plan than that between now and the [00:43:07] opening date. [00:43:09] The Swanson lot on any given day is significantly full now, and so you can't add half to what's [00:43:17] already full, and get them all in the same place. [00:43:25] In that respect, Mr. Mayor, we have made assurances to Mr. Gunderson. We do not have a plan completely [00:43:30] baked for how spots will be reserved for their use, but unquestionably that needs to be the [00:43:35] case. We will consider further other parking options to support what we expect to be the [00:43:47] big use of the Hacienda Hotel. [00:43:51] And just as a point of clarification, I wanted to mention the fact that the parking lot improvements [00:43:56] that we're proposing as part of the Capital Improvement Fund are being financed with Penny [00:44:01] for Pascal funds, and we do have a percentage of funds within Penny for Pascal that are [00:44:09] supposed to be, that are dedicated to support economic development activities. [00:44:13] So let's talk about the Health Department parking lot. If we were to acquire that from [00:44:17] the county, can we not sell that to the Hacienda at a very favorable price where they can at [00:44:21] least use that with a gated parking lot, or no? [00:44:24] No. Based on the discussions that I've had with the county so far, they have a willingness [00:44:29] to allow us to take control of the property, but they want assurances from us that it will [00:44:37] be maintained for all public parking. [00:44:40] We've got a problem, I think, and we need to figure this out. [00:44:44] In response to that, I took a picture the other day of the county vehicles parked behind [00:44:49] the vacant Grady Pigeon land, which is the land in question, I believe, and it was just [00:44:54] loaded with public service, well... [00:45:00] community services trucks and vehicles that park overnight and stay there. So [00:45:05] the real solution I think is for us to make a bigger move than that and I think [00:45:11] that that move might be to look across the bridge where the chamber is to River [00:45:17] Road to the other side of the of the road find additional parking for both [00:45:22] trailers and you know we really have a CRA parking problem we've hired a [00:45:29] two consultants both giving us parking solutions I would like to see that [00:45:35] become an item on a CRA agenda so that we can look at the you know keep it as a [00:45:40] global solution I know you're saying we need to solve this quickly in the next [00:45:44] year that's not going to happen within a year but there was a time when the [00:45:49] county had considered and indicated to us that they were interested in [00:45:53] consolidating their services and moving out of that building so that's accurate [00:45:57] so so I think that you know that may be our answer to you know relocate some of [00:46:03] our facilities even perhaps the Chamber of Commerce or whatever even if they're [00:46:07] not completely out of that building to the extent that they take their storage [00:46:14] parking and move it over to the old county building on sunset it would go a [00:46:19] long way towards making much-needed space available in that lot for regular [00:46:24] use well I would like to weigh in on whether or not we're pursuing a lease or [00:46:29] whether we're pursuing something else and we're talking about financing for [00:46:33] for the purposes of again the general funds administrative infrastructure we [00:46:40] have to seriously look at the infrastructure changes we have to make [00:46:43] so that our city is going to function and there were and there are other [00:46:47] other initiatives that are in that report to the the draft that include [00:46:53] municipal drainage and parking is you know off-site parking so I think we [00:47:01] really have to dig into that and I would like to see it happen over in the CRE [00:47:05] side and you're looking at which is fine a larger picture but as I have to [00:47:10] somewhat disagree with the fact that we're not going to be able to solve this [00:47:12] in a year as far as a Hacienda parking goes I agree with you on that we have to [00:47:16] solve this I'm just picture this you've heard about this awesome historic hotel [00:47:22] opening in this new vibrant downtown you drive from out of town you check in [00:47:27] on a Friday night it's a gorgeous night the parks full maybe there's a movie in [00:47:31] the park you drop your family and luggage off and you go to try to find a [00:47:35] parking spot and you don't know our downtown you don't know where to go if [00:47:40] you're staying at a hotel at least when I stayed a hotel you know unless it's [00:47:44] like a New York City where you don't have a car I'm looking for a secured [00:47:48] parking lot to leave my car where I know it's safe and this is I mean it's [00:47:53] been on my mind but I haven't really brought up publicly we've had small [00:47:56] discussions about this but we need to sit down with mr. Gunderson with Robert [00:47:59] we need to get a plan in order work because it's you know he's gonna want [00:48:05] those rooms filled from day one and I think he's gonna do well with the hotel [00:48:10] but it's just one of those things you show up you need a secure parking lot as [00:48:15] a as you know a guest of that hotel it's it would be a huge turnoff for me [00:48:22] you know I'm I love staying in hotels my kids do we love going to different [00:48:26] places but when you know you drive maybe four or five hours and you get here and [00:48:30] you just want to get in the hotel and relax and then you're scrambling to [00:48:34] find a city parking lot in an unsecured parking lot you know it's it's it's a [00:48:37] problem and we need I think we really I'm just can't stress this enough we [00:48:41] need to sit down and come up with a solution before this thing gets opened [00:48:45] and just as a follow-up that's not the only thing opening in town either we've [00:48:50] got the Main Street landing additional retail we've got mr. Starkey's place [00:48:57] deal so I think it's important that we have a public discussion on on the [00:49:04] overall master plan and the city's in a role that it can work with some of the [00:49:09] developers I've talked to two landowners on the other side of Gateway [00:49:12] who are willing to put business capital and in do and in implementing some of [00:49:19] the programs and those things can be financed through tax increment financing [00:49:24] and those sorts of things coming out of our pockets are being obligations of the [00:49:29] city but but we have to kind of imagine it and see if we've got you know where [00:49:34] we can get a foothold in for this and I'll just leave it at this it's my [00:49:39] opinion that we have to find a secured parking lot for guests of the Haasian [00:49:43] only it's not accessible to public I think it's detrimental for the success [00:49:47] of that hotel from from day one so we need to figure it out no I agree we're [00:49:55] gonna have to have a couple solutions ready to implement that happens and very [00:49:59] possible it will happen and I hope it happens I hope we have that problem [00:50:03] downtown but we have to have a solution or we're gonna look really silly you [00:50:09] have a public session scheduled for you in September at which time we'll be [00:50:14] talking about specific parking recommendations that might be a good [00:50:18] time to go and into a larger discussion I think mr. Allman makes a good point [00:50:24] that potentially some of this is economic development might well be a [00:50:30] valid use for CRA dollars next okay sure and just one more thing too I [00:50:42] think to add on to what Debbie is saying also is during that work session the [00:50:47] consultant will be supplying you with short-term midterm and long-term options [00:50:53] that they've identified so I think it's going to be a good discussion to where [00:50:57] maybe we can get a direction on which way we want to head so you know we've [00:51:04] been finalizing the CRA projections and we're very optimistic about those [00:51:08] projections so I think that within that update on the 20th was be able to [00:51:13] provide some better realizations how we can make that happen but your point is [00:51:18] well taken the next project that we have is the way finding signage upgrades [00:51:27] this is a continuation of the existing project that we started this year and [00:51:33] basically these signs are similar to the ones that you saw or you you've seen at [00:51:38] the rec center that was constructed there will be several of those types of [00:51:42] signs in addition to the directional signs that will go out at different [00:51:47] areas and different roadways to identify city facilities and the city limits the [00:51:55] polls have been ordered for the signs we are told that there is an eight week [00:52:03] lead time eight to ten week lead time on the polls in the meantime the [00:52:07] fabrication for the signs will be initiated so we should actually start to [00:52:13] see some action before years end [00:52:17] pardon me are those designs out that I've missed something probably but they [00:52:26] they were actually released in excruciating detail and I can get you [00:52:34] some detail yeah before the two you came on board but yeah you you would really [00:52:38] well you're gonna love them yeah I can't wait we have one of the rec center we [00:52:44] have one monument sign in front of the Recreation and Aquatic Center that [00:52:51] contains an optic for messages because it's a branding campaign as well [00:53:01] absolutely sure the next project that we have here is the parking lot solar [00:53:08] canopies feasibility study this is basically part of our green initiative [00:53:14] what we want to try to do here is to have a consultant identify and include a [00:53:21] parking lot criteria for the installation of canopies styles style [00:53:26] types they've come a long way now back in the day when when you talk about [00:53:31] solar canopies over parking lots for vehicles you're talking about the old [00:53:35] square aluminum post and just a flat aluminum top now they have several [00:53:41] different types of designs and and there are grants that are starting to [00:53:46] come out now and so what we need to do is we need to kind of have a analysis to [00:53:53] find out what areas we feel like that we could put some of these things and then [00:54:00] we would also want to be able to figure out what kind of style we would want [00:54:05] that would fit with our existing architect that we architecture that we [00:54:09] have so this project would get us headed in that right direction we've [00:54:15] had preliminary talks with Duke Energy inquiring with what the grant [00:54:19] possibilities are with them and and trying to get some of the different [00:54:26] styles already that some of the other places have installed I know USF has [00:54:30] just completed some canopies and those types of things so basically that's [00:54:36] that's where we're headed with this yeah Duke and I don't have the exact [00:54:41] number in front of me but they went in with st. Petersburg on a similar project [00:54:47] to the tune I think of a million dollars it was a it was a significant chunk of [00:54:52] change that Duke was willing to to invest to make it happen so [00:55:06] the next project that we have is the Central Avenue center median and [00:55:11] right-of-way improvements this project is directly related to the central it [00:55:16] calls for improvements between Adams Street and Circle Boulevard on Central [00:55:22] Avenue with the installation of a center median that has landscaping [00:55:27] hardscaping some stormwater elements irrigation improved sidewalk ramps as [00:55:35] well as lighting and some and then on the on the north side of central it [00:55:42] calls for the expansion of the sidewalk to eventually be able to connect into [00:55:49] the the Madison Street expansion project that we have the streetscape and [00:55:53] multi-use path we're looking at the different opportunities of where we can [00:55:57] keep trying to tie these different gap spaces together to where we could [00:56:04] connect that trail and so we're using this to take that opportunity to at [00:56:09] least get that section between Adams and central is wide as we can get it to be [00:56:14] able to use for multi-purpose path [00:56:27] the next one we've talked about quite often it's the pedestrian bridge [00:56:32] overpass proposed over at US 19 and Marine Parkway we are putting in two [00:56:41] hundred and fifty thousand dollars and proposing of the possible site [00:56:46] acquisition this coming year you'll notice that there's nothing in the out [00:56:53] years as far as 21 through 23 what you'll see in the next draft that comes [00:57:01] out is those numbers will be inserted at 250 200 250 thousand dollars I think it [00:57:09] was Councilman Altman and Councilman Starkey that was talking about the [00:57:14] senators something that was if you got some skin in the game it didn't matter [00:57:19] how much so we kind of were looking at it like it could be a long-term type of [00:57:26] project and while we're working on the different elements of it we could [00:57:31] allocate funds to where if we got into some kind of serious discussion with the [00:57:39] senator or the grant people that we would be able to have some funds and [00:57:44] that parcel on the northeast corner of that intersection appears to be empty at [00:57:50] the moment so it might be a good opportunity to attempt to get that was [00:57:54] correct and that's that's where the the preliminary concept or drawings it was [00:58:00] proposed and in those preliminary drawings we also had called out for just [00:58:06] a simple span prefabricated steel truss over overpass with the switchback ramps [00:58:13] as far as those are the types of ramps that you can actually take your bicycles [00:58:19] or your whatever else that you have their handicap compliance with the [00:58:25] grades and so it wouldn't be a stair-stepping crossover you would be [00:58:30] able to just take you're riding on the multi-use trail if you get off your bike [00:58:35] you just go up the ramp other than that being for sale why on the north side of [00:58:39] it I mean I've always visualized it on the south side on the west side [00:58:43] southwest side you have that open land it's just I think DOT right away right [00:58:47] there we could access it from there and there's that one little stand-alone [00:58:51] restaurant on the southeast side but if you cross over 19 on the north side you [00:58:58] have Chase Bank right there in their parking lot I've been more land on the [00:59:03] south side I recall some of the discussion about it I think one a there [00:59:06] was sufficient land available at a point there was an idea of a park and ride or [00:59:11] a bike and ride type of space and a chance for the buses to turn around I [00:59:16] don't know what's ever happened with that project I know it wasn't you know a [00:59:19] favorite thing but there was to be security and some other elements so I [00:59:23] think when the county got involved in helping and assisting they had done some [00:59:27] drafting and that was part of their initiative was to have it be a good [00:59:32] place for bicycles to come and catch the bus so that was actually north of South [00:59:37] K to Gulf Drives where they're wanting to put the bus hub in well they were they [00:59:41] were on the other side but there was some design done of that facility I [00:59:45] think you'll probably whichever works I'm just one other answer was that the [00:59:51] low-income and the bicycle riders who were also to be served by the ability to [00:59:58] cross the highway to get to [01:00:00] shopping center where there was groceries and stores and that sort of [01:00:03] thing so I think that so you got the stores on that side you got the Pinellas [01:00:08] Trail on the other somehow you got to get them both of them you know whichever [01:00:12] worked best either way I think it's great we're a lot of money inside so if [01:00:15] we do get that money again from the state we're not just standing there like [01:00:19] oh sorry we didn't know it's coming but on top of this I'm sure we're in [01:00:22] discussions with the county and the MPOs on board that this is a much-needed [01:00:26] project so can we get with them as well that with Mr. Biles and make sure they [01:00:32] have secured money as well so when this happens we're good to go this time [01:00:35] certain that multiple funding sources will be needed to finance what we [01:00:39] expect would be almost a three million dollar project and we've got our hands [01:00:46] out every way we possibly everywhere we possibly can letting them know that this [01:00:52] project is important to us and begging cooperation the next project that we [01:01:02] have is the Grand Boulevard multi-use path project and obviously this is going [01:01:07] to be done in multiple phases currently this year we are in the conceptual phase [01:01:14] we're actually planning on presenting to you probably within the next month two [01:01:21] months at the most the different types of conceptual options that the [01:01:26] consultants will be supplying us to where we can be able to select a a [01:01:34] preliminary design to where next year if you approve this we will be able to we're [01:01:42] projecting to do it in four phases because there's four different [01:01:45] characteristics from Circle Boulevard out to Marine Parkway but we want to [01:01:54] design a hundred percent of it so that as we build it we're not ending up [01:02:00] having to tear up a portion of what we just built so that we can move things [01:02:05] around and this and that we want to be able to go with one design to where each [01:02:10] phase ties into one another and we know what we're doing what it would also [01:02:15] include if you choose to want to go that route the there could be I think [01:02:23] it's four four options that we might have to select from and some of those [01:02:29] might include temporary measures to where you could try out in other words [01:02:37] you you might like the multi-use path one option might be to have the center [01:02:42] lanes done or the outside lanes we've also included some funds in here to be [01:02:48] able to take and put up delineators all the way down the center where Grand [01:02:54] Boulevard is four lanes to be able to take a look and use actually utilize it [01:03:00] see how we like it if it works out then you could have you could have [01:03:06] pedestrians utilizing that facility or that section immediately while it's [01:03:13] being designed I would ask that we try to coordinate with the the folks at the [01:03:19] MPO and the county the document that was included with the city managers report [01:03:25] last week showed a couple of conceptuals on where the thing would route and they [01:03:30] had a path through New Port Richey that routed out Madison down to Trouble Creek [01:03:36] and I don't think we have ever discussed doing anything like that I [01:03:40] would much rather see it come through the downtown we met we met with the [01:03:44] county staff about I want to say two years ago or a year and a half ago [01:03:50] something like that we were way ahead of where they were as far as the direction [01:03:56] we were headed in well they appear to have forgotten it because the their plan [01:03:59] doesn't run anything down Grand Boulevard or Marine Park way or out any [01:04:04] of that area that we're talking about it's not anywhere close on the MPOs top [01:04:08] priority list and that thing is a mile long and 13 years out it's not even on [01:04:12] the radar so if we're wanting to do this earlier we just need to do it figure it [01:04:15] out yeah the mayor on that topic I don't want to forget the our good friends in [01:04:23] New Port Richey and this idea of under the bridge there is there any capital and [01:04:28] investment on our part that's being requested or do we have to put something [01:04:32] in for for us to figure out how we're going to get down River Road or if we're [01:04:36] going to what route we take if you'll allow me I'll respond to councilman [01:04:41] Altman there is discussion going on between the county the city and New Port Richey about a feasibility study that needs to be conducted in order to [01:04:55] determine the extent of plans and specifications originally the the fee [01:05:04] was $40,000 and the request from the county was that we split it three ways [01:05:11] New Port Richey indicated that they didn't have any funding available although they [01:05:17] very much wanted to see the project come to fruition I had discussions with their [01:05:22] city manager yesterday and I I was able to convince him to give a small amount [01:05:28] towards the project the remainder of which will be shared between the county [01:05:35] having the larger part the city of New Port Richey and we have funding [01:05:39] available this fiscal year to pay for that expenditure I thought the issue is [01:05:43] New Port Richey was saying they already had a feasibility study done and then that [01:05:48] was part of the reason that they declined the funding request but as I [01:05:55] pointed out to their city manager their report was rather dated and the [01:06:01] information wouldn't have been valid anymore so it that he understood then [01:06:06] the importance of having a current feasibility study we'll tell you all [01:06:10] expanded scope of services I'm sorry no thank you since I've been an MPO board I [01:06:14] have never seen a project just moved to the top of the list like this the County [01:06:18] Commission and the rest of the MPO board are completely on board everyone's [01:06:23] frustrated that's going to take this long to get the study done this long at [01:06:26] the DOT everybody up on that board an entire Commission wants I've just never [01:06:31] seen it I mean we're always fighting over projects you know since day one [01:06:34] since I've been on that board but this is one you know I think meeting with the [01:06:38] County Commissioners as well like we have been I just never just fast-tracked [01:06:43] everyone's on board we need this done now and that's where we're at so it's [01:06:46] very very reassuring to see that and I'm glad people are finally recognizing that [01:06:53] so many people are dying crossing 19 you know which ties into the overpass as [01:06:57] well but it's just it was remarkable see everyone come together and say we want [01:07:01] this done now I think if we can get the that project under the the u.s. 19 bridge [01:07:09] moving forward that from our perspective figuring out how to safely [01:07:15] get bicyclists and pedestrians from Sims Park to the New Port Richey County or [01:07:22] New Port Richey City limits on Grand Boulevard is actually fairly [01:07:27] straightforward we've had some proposals and I'm sure [01:07:31] mrs. man's has them that can be dusted off that showed conceptuals for instance [01:07:36] of converting some portion of Grand Boulevard into one way and using the [01:07:42] other lane for a multi-use path and a lot of that I think we can we can deal [01:07:50] with the city yeah if we get if we can get New Port Richey on board you know we [01:07:55] can we can get the rest of it to to make that because that to me is is probably [01:08:03] one of the most important pedestrian or for that matter golf cart projects that [01:08:11] that we can do here in West Pasco because it ties the New Port Richey [01:08:15] waterfront with downtown New Port Richey right together and that was a huge [01:08:19] selling point we I brought up and I was back at the NPO board but this is more [01:08:24] than just safety it's gonna have a tremendous economic impact on both our [01:08:28] municipalities so as far as that goes we're making sure the under the board [01:08:33] walk underneath is going to be wide enough for golf carts number one as far [01:08:37] as what you're talking about Grand Boulevard golf carts can go right down [01:08:39] the middle of roads we're okay there but like you said I mean just the little [01:08:44] bike club that gets together right now in New Port Richey you know they yeah [01:08:47] they advertise we're riding to the waterfront so there's like you said if [01:08:51] you're biking or walking north of Massachusetts it's there's no sidewalk [01:08:56] there's nothing so you know you got to be careful there but it's great for the [01:09:00] golf carts but anyway that was biggest sell one of the selling points to get a [01:09:03] run on board with it's more just safety it's economic impact as well again that [01:09:09] we would have to see something in the five-year plan to just because whenever [01:09:12] you apply for a grant or something you're gonna want to have it so even if [01:09:16] you put something out a year or two I think it would be useful for it to be on [01:09:20] the plane you know especially right and especially back to the waterfront one [01:09:25] another thing we brought up was the the park and we're talking about parking [01:09:29] problems of the Hacienda that's a complete debacle I mean when you know [01:09:33] Eric's talking about that that old trailer park next to Speedway if you [01:09:36] drive by there on any Saturday or Friday night half that vacant piece of land is [01:09:40] just filled with cars so doing this underpass will you know deter people [01:09:44] from driving there and having to drive there where they can bike walk or use [01:09:48] their golf cart to get there and it alleviates some that waterfront parking [01:09:51] as well which will be great [01:09:55] on that note mr. Rivera are there any other questions on this sheet the next [01:10:05] funding source that we will look at for summary would be the water and sewer [01:10:08] construction fund the first project that we have is the fleet warehouse and and [01:10:15] purchasing where I'm sorry the fleet garage and purchasing warehouse this [01:10:21] project is a structural analysis and it includes engineering basically we will [01:10:30] take a look at the building's function as it operates now we will take into [01:10:34] account what we expect its its function to be in future years and then once that [01:10:42] is determined we will start the engineering for the improvements of the [01:10:46] structure as well as some additional storage areas for materials and an [01:10:53] upgrade of the stormwater system as well as as the parking area that we have some [01:10:59] of the cars now that the PD impounds [01:11:03] the next next project that we have is a miscellaneous right-of-way and facility [01:11:15] irrigation expansion systems this funding source is just a reactive [01:11:22] funding allocation to where if we have an area or any kind of improvements to [01:11:29] buildings or the green portions of the right-of-way that we have those funding [01:11:34] sources to be able to install irrigation systems next project that we we have is [01:11:45] the Orangewood Lakes utility acquisition we will be coming to you with a request [01:11:52] to purchase this utility and if you approve it we've allocated funds for [01:11:59] that purpose our next project is the portable potable I'm sorry and reclaimed [01:12:11] water system extension miscellaneous this is also a basically a reactive [01:12:19] allocation of funds there are different areas in our in our service area that [01:12:27] people are either on wells and a lot of times their their wells go down and if [01:12:33] they go down or if we have entered into a utility service agreement to take in [01:12:40] expand our system and we get closer to those areas they have to connect to our [01:12:46] system and so this allows us to be able to expand and get into that area and be [01:12:53] able to get those people water the next project that we have is the bulk meter [01:13:07] backflow prevention upgrades phase two this is the interconnect that we have [01:13:13] with New Port Richey at limit Drive basically we'll be upgrading the meter [01:13:20] assembly and the backflow preventer assembly [01:13:34] there any other any questions on this sheet [01:13:40] the Orangewood Lake Villas are we not to that sheet yet did I jump ahead of you [01:13:46] purchase the the lease is that just a portion of the lease that we're going to [01:13:52] receive that's under the construction fund what what does wastewater treatment [01:14:00] plant annual lease mean oh I'm sorry it's part of the acquisition they they [01:14:06] currently have a small plant that they treat their their effluent with we don't [01:14:14] want it because we have a wastewater treatment plant that's actually designed [01:14:19] for a service area and and has built to take into account that utility system [01:14:25] but we have to construct a lift station and a force main to get us from their [01:14:34] plant to our existing force main out on Massachusetts Avenue this utility is [01:14:39] located between Olsteen Road it goes goes almost it goes right behind the [01:14:47] Hacienda Village off of off of Rowan Road and then it's it's bordered by [01:14:53] Massachusetts Avenue and just a little bit south of Main Street [01:15:00] So we have to, that's to lease their, it's to lease their existing plant until we can [01:15:08] design and construct the lift station and the force main to tie into our system and [01:15:14] convert it over. [01:15:15] So that piece of real estate is not part of the sale then? [01:15:19] No, because we don't want to acquire it and then after we tie everything in, now we've [01:15:25] got to apply for closure permits and who knows what you've got to do and what that would [01:15:31] cost. [01:15:32] So we're not interested in purchasing it. [01:15:34] Is it going to turn into a swimming pool or what? [01:15:39] No, no, what's going to happen is after we disconnect, the owner will have to apply for [01:15:45] permits and he's going to have to close it. [01:15:48] And so whatever they find out, whatever's happened over the 50, 60 years, I'm not saying [01:15:55] anything has, but once you get in there and you start doing testing, you could find all [01:16:01] kinds of things and this just wouldn't be advisable for us to take on that unknown. [01:16:07] So that cost is ingrained in the $950,000 purchase price then? [01:16:12] No, sir. [01:16:13] Well, it would have to, I mean, now Matt, well, one way or another, the owner is getting [01:16:21] money and he's going to use some of that money to close the plant. [01:16:24] So if you told him you'd take the plant, I'll bet you he would drop the price. [01:16:28] I know you don't want it, but. [01:16:30] Right. [01:16:31] Well, we didn't include that, but we do have a valuation report that we will be presenting [01:16:39] with you or to you to where you can see all of those elements and where the, how the figure [01:16:49] was derived as far as the worth. [01:16:53] That is across Massachusetts from the big meter to the county's reclaimed water? [01:16:59] Yes, sir. [01:17:00] And how far away is that? [01:17:01] A mile or not a mile, but. [01:17:04] I've got, I've actually got the figures, but yeah. [01:17:06] You say it's kind of right near Massachusetts and the other one is, is in, into the North [01:17:12] a little bit off of Olstein, right? [01:17:15] Where we have to tie in is all the way at the end, the South end of Olstein. [01:17:19] You've got to go all the way up Olstein and then hit Massachusetts and tie into the force [01:17:25] main near Magnolia Valley. [01:17:28] And I, I want to say it's 1200 feet or something, I'm not sure. [01:17:35] And this, and this utility has the potential for growth. [01:17:40] There are areas where, where it's going to happen with development. [01:17:46] And for us tying into our facility, that's going to be taken care of within that fiscal year? [01:17:52] We plan on taking and designing the sewer and constructing it. [01:17:57] And if everything works out the way it's supposed to, we would have that completed before the [01:18:03] following October. [01:18:06] Thank you. [01:18:12] The next project that we have is the potable and reclaimed water system improvements miscellaneous. [01:18:31] This includes the replacement of older water mains, as well as ones that are caused by [01:18:38] road improvement projects. [01:18:42] Before we design or construct a road improvement project that we do, we actually get our utility [01:18:49] department out there to take a look at all the crossovers and any of the pipes and valves [01:18:53] that are in that area of construction to go ahead and upgrade those to put sleeves underneath [01:19:00] the road to where if we ever did get a leak, we'd be able to slide that service line out [01:19:05] and not have to excavate the road that we just put in. [01:19:10] So the funding source comes from this project. [01:19:20] Our next one is the sewer main and manhole rehabilitation lining project. [01:19:26] That's basically an unfunded mandate by FDEP. [01:19:30] We have an old system, a lot of clay lines, and a lot of old brick manholes. [01:19:38] Right now they have a process, instead of having to excavate and replace these facilities, [01:19:43] a contractor can get in and they can go ahead and line the inside of the pipe or the inside [01:19:49] of the manhole. [01:19:52] Even though you do have a smaller diameter pipe, the C-factor inside it, and I think [01:19:59] we talked about this, Mayor, actually is more efficient, so you don't lose any volume. [01:20:06] When it comes to a town that's developed like ours, it is far more cheaper to be able [01:20:12] to line your existing facilities than it is to do the standard construction as far as [01:20:18] excavating and then restoring whatever facilities you have above ground. [01:20:36] The next project that we have is the 2015-16 sewer utility improvement project. [01:20:48] This was approved in this current year. [01:20:52] We are expecting to receive the bids in a couple weeks and start construction on it. [01:20:58] This actually, again, I want to say that these projects are based on our master plan that [01:21:02] we have with the utility. [01:21:05] Right now, our system servicing the south end of town from Nebraska South is getting [01:21:13] near capacity, so the next few utility system improvement projects that you see are all [01:21:19] going to be concentrated on the south end of town. [01:21:22] The master lift station at Nebraska Avenue, where the dumpster lease that we've been talking [01:21:28] about, we need to alleviate some of the flows there and move it south and get it down Marine [01:21:35] Parkway over to the plant on the west side. [01:21:40] This project includes those improvements and then the next project that we have, the 18-19, [01:21:46] is a continuation of that. [01:21:50] It's upgrading the lift stations that we have moving south towards Marine Parkway from [01:21:56] Nebraska Avenue, upsizing them as well as installing additional, larger force mains [01:22:03] to be able to carry that extra volume. [01:22:17] The next one is the sewer system extension and it's also a miscellaneous. [01:22:21] This is a reactive allocation of funds type of project. [01:22:27] This is where in our service area where somebody has a septic tank and they have a failure, [01:22:36] we will be able to supply them with sewer service. [01:22:50] The last project on this page is what we had just talked about as far as the Orangewood [01:22:56] force main interconnect. [01:23:03] Any questions in the utility? [01:23:17] Our next summary is for the redevelopment fund. [01:23:20] This is the Hacienda hotel restoration project. [01:23:24] This is multiple phases that seem to tie into one another. [01:23:31] I believe this phase includes the replication and installation of the Hacienda's historic [01:23:38] windows and doors and it also includes the patio and remaining entries over at the Bank [01:23:47] Street. [01:23:48] Is that correct, Mario? [01:23:49] Let me provide clarification, $375,000 of the $475,000 that's projected is the second [01:23:59] half of the special category grant which is the installation of the windows and the doors. [01:24:05] The remaining $100,000 of that is in reference to a new grant that started this year. [01:24:12] We call that the Stucco and Metal Restoration Project that has been signed and approved [01:24:18] by Division of Historic Resources. [01:24:21] We expect to combine the installation of the windows with the Stucco project and we're [01:24:28] currently working on those and hopefully we'll have them closed out by mid to late [01:24:34] spring. [01:24:35] So can we strike the reference to the patio and remaining entries? [01:24:42] Yeah, yes you can. [01:24:46] Just another question on that project. [01:24:48] I noticed in the budget we have an, I thought we had an electricity budget. [01:24:55] Is that all for the incubator or how did the terms of the sale affect the ongoing utilities [01:25:02] and expenses being paid for at the Hacienda? [01:25:05] Have they taken over that role at this point? [01:25:08] Once they take title to that, they will incur the expenses on the Hacienda. [01:25:12] And so our goal is to try to close out the grants as soon as possible. [01:25:17] As soon as we close out our grants, we have five days in which to notify Lakeside Inn [01:25:23] and they have the option to, within 15 days, to exercise their acquisition of the property. [01:25:29] So to have folks on the ground now doing work, that's the preliminary stage of the agreement? [01:25:36] Yeah, they just have one full-time person in there, yes. [01:25:41] We just received plans on a demolition component today. [01:25:52] Our next fund is 701, it's a street improvement fund. [01:25:56] The first project that we have is the 1718 Street Improvement Project. [01:26:03] That would actually be the second one. [01:26:05] The first one should be completed within the next couple months. [01:26:10] This one has been in design and I've talked with the consultant. [01:26:14] We should be able to go out to bid October 1 on this and so we'll start putting asphalt [01:26:20] down before the new year begins. [01:26:24] This phase includes collector roads such as Golf Drive, Madison Street, the Highway 19, [01:26:32] Massachusetts Avenue, residential streets such as Wyoming Avenue, Montana Avenue, Tennessee [01:26:40] Avenue, Azalea Drive, Ritchie Drive, Char Lane, and a portion of Indiana Avenue. [01:26:48] The $1.7 million is what you all had directed staff to, the expenditure on these types of [01:26:57] projects. [01:27:02] And so in an effort, we were on a 20-year program, but we also wanted to be as efficient [01:27:08] as we could, so we've also tried to include where we can begin designing the following [01:27:16] project in the same year that you're having construction for the previous project, if [01:27:22] that makes sense, so that we're doing construction every year. [01:27:34] The next project we have is the Traffic Sign Upgrades. [01:27:38] This is a continuation of the decorative fixtures, traffic devices that you see in the downtown [01:27:46] area now. [01:27:47] I don't know if you've noticed, but we put the first two up at Delaware and Grand Boulevard. [01:27:52] They have the fluted black poles, almost similar to the antique-looking streetlight poles that [01:27:58] we have, and then they have the decorative borders and the brackets for the street name [01:28:06] signs that are that antique-looking type of signs, and we plan on probably doing two more [01:28:14] phases of this as we start expanding out into the downtown area. [01:28:21] And then of course, once we're completed with that, we will look and see if there are other [01:28:26] areas that we can install them. [01:28:28] The initial idea is that we move forward as well when we're doing our multi-use pass or [01:28:36] when we're doing our downtown street escape expansion projects, that we include this type [01:28:42] of signing as part of one of the element improvements in those projects. [01:28:55] The streetscape improvements, Madison Street and the multi-use path project, this is on [01:29:01] Madison from Main Street to Massachusetts. [01:29:04] It's a continuation of an existing project that was approved. [01:29:09] As far as the progress that we're at now, we've actually have pretty much most of the [01:29:15] underground done as far as all the borings and the pushes underneath the road. [01:29:20] We've already started some of the sidewalk improvements. [01:29:24] We've got the black railing fence around the retention pond that is located at Central [01:29:30] Avenue and Madison Street, so we're getting to the point now where you're going to start [01:29:36] seeing all the work elements that the contractor is going to do is going to be above ground [01:29:42] and you should start seeing immediate results. [01:29:53] The following project is the 1819 Neighborhood Improvement Project and that's what [01:30:00] Deputy Mayor, we were talking about, we are proposing to bring you a traffic analysis [01:30:09] of the North River neighborhood that will call out different improvements, such as sidewalk [01:30:19] enlargement. [01:30:20] Right now, we're doing a couple survey areas to find out how much right-of-way we actually [01:30:27] have in that area along River Road, because we have two different types of information. [01:30:33] I've got some old city right-of-way maps that are showing a 40-foot right-of-way, and then [01:30:39] there's other information that shows that it's less than that. [01:30:44] The idea would be, once we can get all of our data collected to where we can bring you [01:30:51] different elements that we would recommend, we would have a funding source to be able [01:30:57] to get those things implemented. [01:31:00] That's where this project would come into play. [01:31:04] We would be adding additional sidewalk in some areas. [01:31:08] We would have additional striping that would narrow some of the lanes, like we've done [01:31:13] in some of the other areas. [01:31:16] It would include planting some trees to where we can get that narrow vision effect to where [01:31:24] it also can slow down some traffic. [01:31:28] Some of the existing sidewalk that you have out there, there's areas that have gaps or [01:31:35] there's areas that there's damaged sidewalk. [01:31:40] That would also include teaming and removing and replacing those areas as well. [01:31:51] Our next project is the LED crosswalk signage and lighting. [01:31:55] You're very familiar with those. [01:31:57] Those are the solar-powered lights that we have at the crosswalks that flash. [01:32:04] We also have them in the road along the outside edges of the crosswalks. [01:32:09] This one we're proposing to do at the crosswalk over there at Golf High School, at Madison [01:32:15] Street and School Road. [01:32:18] There's an existing crosswalk there, a ton of traffic, and we feel that it would be appropriate [01:32:25] to have a device there. [01:32:28] I agree, and that's another very dangerous sidewalk with a ton of students, both from [01:32:32] Golf Middle and Golf High, walking on that sidewalk. [01:32:35] There's just no barrier between Madison and the sidewalk. [01:32:40] I can't believe we haven't had a kid get hit there. [01:32:42] I would concur. [01:32:43] It's really, really dangerous. [01:32:44] From the bridge all the way down to School Road is just dangerous. [01:32:48] Rather than just bring it up, we need to work that sidewalk project into our capital improvement [01:32:56] as well because it's dangerous. [01:33:00] Do you all agree? [01:33:03] I would. [01:33:05] It's really dangerous. [01:33:06] It's going to take a long time. [01:33:07] Like you said, we're lucky nothing has happened. [01:33:17] This next project you're familiar with actually was approved in this year's CIP, is the Alley [01:33:24] Needs Assessment and Criteria Guideline Program. [01:33:28] Basically, this is an extension of our pavement management plan that we had approved and implemented [01:33:35] This will take alleys and will basically give you, staff, as well as the residents, a format [01:33:46] that they can follow and it's the same for everyone as far as how they can improve their [01:33:54] alleys that they have and the funding sources, how they're derived, the responsibilities, [01:34:01] as well as call out the maintenance responsibilities that city staff would have if the alley remained [01:34:11] unimproved. [01:34:12] It would also take into account the alleys that structures have been built on and alleys [01:34:20] that have been taken over that we're not going to tell somebody to cut half their house off [01:34:25] or half a garage off and give us back our alley. [01:34:30] It's going to identify those types of areas and then it will also recommend that we vacate [01:34:38] those and it would give us a SOP or guidelines that we could follow. [01:34:46] And of course, that would come to you. [01:34:48] You would be able to review it all, have your input, the residents would have theirs, and [01:34:52] we'd have a final document that we could approve. [01:35:01] The next one is the 1819 Street Improvement Project. [01:35:05] I had touched base with you about this before. [01:35:08] This will actually be the design for the following year. [01:35:15] And the roads selected are all part of that evaluation that we did with the roads assessments. [01:35:22] Mr. Mayor? [01:35:24] Yes. [01:35:25] On that topic, that assessment was done three years ago, two and a half years ago, two years [01:35:33] ago, and it evaluated the condition of roads and taking the worst roads first to save so [01:35:39] you don't have to reconstruct the best practices approach, which is great. [01:35:46] I had mentioned the Gulf Drive, the condition of Gulf Drive, the poor condition, the amount [01:35:56] of traffic that's driving across it and the need for us to address it. [01:36:00] So I would like to suggest that we have again, and maybe Mr. Mayor, we could do something [01:36:05] at the end of another meeting and helping at the time when we look at some of these [01:36:10] things, but have another look at that now in advance of next year as you're getting [01:36:16] ready to engineer to be able to allow us to consider the level of improvements that we [01:36:21] want to make to that road. [01:36:22] Correct. [01:36:23] And I have done a little bit of investigating. [01:36:25] I took your comment. [01:36:28] And I mean, what I would like to do is be able to present you with the information that [01:36:34] you need to make a decision. [01:36:38] I mean, I think we all agree that that is a main road and it is the third entryway into [01:36:44] the city and it would really be nice if we could improve it. [01:36:51] What I'm suggesting is that we go ahead and we continue with the Gulf Drive improvements [01:36:59] as part of the pavement management plan because the improvements that we would have to do [01:37:06] that Council has indicated that they would like to see is going to take multiple years [01:37:13] once we start. [01:37:15] I've talked with Duke Energy. [01:37:16] They actually have a program where you can pay them, in this case they estimated that [01:37:24] it would be around $5,000 to be able to do a preliminary estimate that you could base [01:37:32] a budget number off of as far as lowering utilities. [01:37:36] I did get some input from my contact that had said that there was another city that [01:37:42] had done a similar type of work as far as putting their utilities underground. [01:37:49] They ended up giving me the dollar amount per foot and so we came up with about a $1.2 [01:37:59] million just to put the utilities underground, which is still doable. [01:38:05] But then now we still have Frontier, we still have Clearwater Gas, those types of utilities [01:38:12] that we have to get done. [01:38:14] We still have to take care of the stormwater. [01:38:17] The right of way is already at its limit so that would require us to acquire additional [01:38:25] right of way, which is everything is doable, I guess is what I'm trying to say, but even [01:38:31] if you were going to do all of those elements and you were going to try to do them at the [01:38:36] same time as best you could and coordinate it, you're still looking at multiple years [01:38:43] to be able to get to the point where you want to construct that road the way you're looking [01:38:48] at and then you've got to start doing your design once you have all the right of way [01:38:54] to start that process. [01:38:56] So what I'm saying is my thoughts are for you to be, the road is in such bad shape now, [01:39:04] for you to be able to take care of it to where it doesn't deteriorate anymore, which is going [01:39:10] to be even more expensive because now you're into the sub-base and you're doing a total [01:39:14] road reconstruction, it probably would benefit you to go ahead and do a leveling course, [01:39:22] put an overlay on it, put it back up to standard at its existing condition and then once you [01:39:29] get ready to do those improvements that you're talking about, you really haven't totally [01:39:37] wasted your money because you're not going to be digging up all of what you just put [01:39:43] down. [01:39:44] You're going to dig up some but not all. [01:39:47] Again, my comment was that we would have a time when we could go through all that. [01:39:50] I know we don't have time to go into all the details or to get down into it, but the reason [01:39:57] I raised it was I was on that paving committee, the assessment committee, and we spent time [01:40:03] looking at the conditions and I recall that Gulf Drive wasn't really identified as being [01:40:09] in that bad of condition. [01:40:10] So I think it has either deteriorated more rapidly from when they looked at it and so [01:40:15] I'm not sure what year or sequence or when you're planning to, would otherwise be putting [01:40:20] this layer of pavement on. [01:40:22] We actually had it. [01:40:24] It was actually in cycle two. [01:40:26] It was called out. [01:40:28] We did, the consultant called out, I think it was four cycles or three cycles. [01:40:33] Gulf Drive was actually in that called out cycle. [01:40:37] When we ended up doing cycle one here, the cost to put the asphalt down was cheaper than [01:40:47] what we thought so we were able to move up a few of the roads that were in two and so [01:40:54] then that moves the other ones up. [01:40:57] So once this project is designed, that includes or it's completed, it's designed once, phase [01:41:04] two, what we would call two, which includes three, once that is done, the way the evaluation [01:41:14] or analysis was done as far as those roads is they were given an assessment of one through [01:41:19] ten, a conditional assessment, and then after you got out of cycle four, then you started [01:41:26] all over again as far as your evaluations. [01:41:29] You ended up getting with the consultant. [01:41:32] You went through that book that you had and you looked at those conditions and it had [01:41:36] a rating system to where anyone could follow and then you came up with your new numbers [01:41:41] and that's when you told the consultant this is what we want to do next. [01:41:45] I think I've heard your explanation and Councilman Starkey, I had been on the MPO also way back [01:41:51] in the day and I remembered watching them pave State Road 54 when they were still designing [01:41:58] the expansion of it. [01:41:59] So I've heard that argument, it's a valid argument, protect what you have. [01:42:03] So I'm in agreement with your comments. [01:42:08] I think it would be helpful to initiate and continue that conversation about what we might [01:42:14] do or what it might look like and get public input. [01:42:17] If it is a long-term project, it would be nice for people to see that it's a possible [01:42:21] project. [01:42:22] It's surprising to hear too that right away is a max capacity on such a narrow road. [01:42:26] And acquisition is not cheap by any means, but that's just surprising. [01:42:31] That's another reason to bury the utility lines, to get every inch of it that you can [01:42:34] and maybe find yourself with curb and as much of an urban street as you can get out of it. [01:42:42] Sure, in that case too, they have utility poles on both sides of the right-of-way, right [01:42:48] on the edge. [01:42:49] You've got the sidewalk and you've got poles right behind the... [01:42:51] Whose idea was that? [01:42:54] And I remember Nelson Vogel had to walk house to house to get the approvals for just an [01:42:59] extra 10 feet so we could put the sidewalks in even. [01:43:02] So I understand the conditions. [01:43:04] I think the right-of-way is a big, massive, multi-year process. [01:43:09] I'd love to see somebody design a nice, tight, keep the traffic slow, but higher quality. [01:43:15] I think it would look nice. [01:43:17] I get more complaints about Gulf Drive than probably any other street in the city. [01:43:23] So many people use it, just come from downtown to get to Southgate, and then it's just... [01:43:28] Okay. [01:43:29] Thank you. [01:43:30] And our last project that we have is the 2018-19 roadway striping program. [01:43:38] This again ties into that North Park neighborhood that once we present to you our recommendations [01:43:46] and there are a few street marking elements to that, this would be the allocated funding [01:43:53] source that we would use. [01:43:55] Any other questions? [01:43:58] Anyone? [01:43:59] Any questions in general while we're here? [01:44:05] Just again, what balance are we projecting coming into and how much money do we have [01:44:09] in those funds and that kind of thing? [01:44:12] Mr. Allman makes a very, very good point. [01:44:17] If we could see on each of the revenue funds where we are, how much you're planning on [01:44:24] sucking out of them, and where you think we're going to be at the end of the year. [01:44:29] That I think would address his concerns and it would definitely address mine. [01:44:33] Thank you. [01:44:34] Thank you. [01:44:35] If there's nothing else, I'd entertain a motion to adjourn. [01:44:36] Thank you.

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3. 3Adjournment