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   Budget Discussion - Capital Improvement Program

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   Staff introduced the FY 2017-18 Capital Improvement Program totaling approximately $13,461,000, walking through general fund and stormwater utility projects including a police department generator/shade structure replacement ($80,000), senior center roof replacement, recreation center storage fencing, a potential second pool slide, the Hemlock Drive stormwater pond, Madison Street stormwater improvements tied to Restore Act funding, and Meadow Street stormwater improvements. Council provided feedback on document formatting, questioned the ROI on a second water slide, and directed staff to clarify staging of Madison Street paving relative to future stormwater work.

   • direction:Council directed staff to itemize and reformat the CIP narrative summary with bullets and clearer breakdown of funding sources. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to break out the $80,000 police generator project cost between the generator (~$69,000) and shade structure in the description. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to report back on the senior center lease terms and equitability for the city. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to provide ROI analysis before programming funds for a second water slide at the recreation center. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to clearly communicate to the community why a section of Madison Street paving will be deferred pending Restore Act stormwater funding. (none)

   📍Adams Street📍Cecilia to Gulf Drive📍Hemlock Drive📍Indiana Avenue📍Madison Street📍Maple Street📍Meadow Street🏢PetSmart🏢SWFWMD👤Councilman Phillips👤Mr. Rivera👤Mrs. Feast👤Ms. Manz👤Ms. Smith#2003 Stormwater Master Plan#2013 Stormwater Master Plan#Community Development Block Grant#Cotee River Bollards#FY 2017-18 Capital Improvement Program#Hemlock Drive Stormwater Pond#Madison Street Stormwater Improvements#Meadow Street Stormwater Improvements#Penny for Pasco#Police Department Generator and Shade Structure Replacement#Recreation Center Storage Exterior Fencing Replacement#Recreation and Aquatic Center second water slide#Restore Act#SWFWMD Cooperative Funding#Senior Center Roof Replacement#Stormwater Utility Assessment#Tax Increment Finance Authority

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   [00:00:13] Ms. Manz, the item on the agenda. [00:00:20] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. [00:00:22] The purpose of the discussion tonight is to introduce the city's fiscal year [00:00:28] 17-18 capital improvement project budget. [00:00:34] And the typical funds that we rely on to support our capital expenditures [00:00:42] are Penny for Pasco funds, the stormwater utility assessments, water [00:00:46] and sewer revenue funds, tax increment finance authority funds, paving [00:00:51] assessments, grant funding, and the general fund. [00:00:55] The total amount of projects being proposed to you this evening for [00:01:00] your consideration represent an investment of $13,461,000. [00:01:08] The hard copy has been updated since it was delivered to you. [00:01:18] And Mrs. Feast has passed along an outline to you of the four funds in [00:01:27] which there were a change and what the specific changes were. [00:01:31] We will discuss them in more detail, though, as Mr. Rivera represents the [00:01:38] projects to you this evening. [00:01:41] In that respect, Mr. Rivera has a PowerPoint presentation, and we'd like [00:01:45] to allow him to get started on it. [00:01:48] Thank you. [00:01:50] This is the 2017 to 2022 capital improvement program. [00:01:56] What we will do is present to you the summary sheets of each project for the [00:02:03] up and coming year, 17 and 18. [00:02:07] Before each section, there will be a spreadsheet that will call out the [00:02:11] five-year term plan that we have. [00:02:14] And what we figured that we would do is go over each individual project for [00:02:18] each section, and then once we completed those projects, then we would open it [00:02:23] up for any discussions or questions that you might have on the sheet or the [00:02:28] projects that were called out before we moved on to the next section. [00:02:35] On page one, can you go ahead and change the top line to read 2017 to 222? [00:02:41] It says 218 on your narrative page, number one. [00:02:47] It says 218 to 222, so I just want it just so it's consistent. [00:02:56] That would be the fiscal year. [00:02:58] Yeah, but it says 218 capital improvement plan, so I mean, whether it's... [00:03:06] Then on your summary of construction activities, it seems not only is it [00:03:13] generic, obviously, but I know it's just hitting highlight points, but if [00:03:19] somebody, if all they did was turn to page one or two of the report, if you [00:03:24] could at least identify under resurfacing and restructuring, like [00:03:30] arterial corridors and city streets, if you want to itemize where some of the [00:03:35] multi-use trails, the environmental impact elements, it just seems a little [00:03:44] light. [00:03:46] Somebody looked at there and really wanted to see, if you tie in with this [00:03:50] in the front and then it goes to the individual sections, I think it's much [00:03:55] more dynamic. [00:03:56] I think it speaks better of what we're actually trying to do for the [00:04:01] coming year and then over the next four years. [00:04:05] Thank you for the suggestion. [00:04:09] And on page two, can you just... [00:04:12] I'm a visual guy. [00:04:14] It looks like one run-on sentence to me, and to really highlight each one of [00:04:20] those revenue pools or those funding sources, I think says a lot more about [00:04:25] where the dollars are coming from, so like I said, I'm a visual guy. [00:04:30] I like bullets. [00:04:31] I like numbers. [00:04:32] I like to be able to look down the page, because you do make those [00:04:37] references throughout the entire report, so those obviously are two things that, [00:04:44] from an outsider looking in, would just love for them to know that there's [00:04:49] multiple pools of money that are being used to look at almost a $13.5 million [00:04:57] program between now and the end of 2022. [00:05:01] Thank you. [00:05:17] First section we have is the general fund projects, the police department [00:05:23] generator and shade structure replacement. [00:05:26] This is an addition to the original draft that was submitted to you. [00:05:34] We're planning on taking care of that with a budget of $80,000. [00:05:38] The senior... [00:05:39] Is that going to take the $225,000 plus $80,000 then? [00:05:52] Sorry, what? [00:05:53] I'm sorry, what? [00:05:54] $225,000? [00:05:55] Oh, $18,000, $19,000, $17,000, $18,000, $19,000 is $225,000 for, so I guess [00:06:03] that's... [00:06:04] Excuse me, I'm a year off then. [00:06:05] $17,000, $18,000. [00:06:06] Okay, there's no figure there. [00:06:07] I'm sorry. [00:06:08] Can you just explain what the shade structure is? [00:06:14] The shade structure is that white canopy that you see over the top. [00:06:18] There, it's attached to the edge of the building and comes out. [00:06:24] Now the generators were made for exterior purposes as well, but some do have shade structures [00:06:30] over top of them. [00:06:31] The replacement generator is a little bit higher than this one, so it would make us [00:06:39] have to do a little bit of adjusting with it, and then of course once you start getting [00:06:44] into the shade structure and making modifications, you have to bring it up to building codes. [00:06:49] Where is this located at the police department? [00:06:53] It's at the police department. [00:06:54] If you were to take and go into their entrance off of Adams Street, the first one to the [00:07:00] south and go to that gate opening there that's on the south side, it's directly to the north [00:07:08] as you go right by the building. [00:07:11] There's hedges and stuff that kind of blend in and hide it. [00:07:14] I'm just curious to know, so is it a shade structure like a tarp, or not a tarp, a canvas? [00:07:24] No, it's an insulated aluminum roof. [00:07:28] We have to replace it because this one is taller. [00:07:31] We're not really sure what we're going to have to do. [00:07:34] We're going to have to do some kind of alterations to it because we have identified the generator [00:07:40] that we're going to purchase to replace it. [00:07:42] We know the dimensions, but now we'll have to get into the design and find out what kind [00:07:46] of modifications to that structure. [00:07:50] It might be minuscule when it comes to the alterations that we might have to do, or it [00:07:57] might turn into something to where we've got to really do some extensive work. [00:08:02] Is the bulk of that $80,000 the generator and the shade structure, or the shade structure [00:08:08] for the generator? [00:08:09] The bulk of it is the generator. [00:08:11] The generator is around $69,000, I believe it is. [00:08:17] In your description, would you just break it out? [00:08:20] Sure. [00:08:21] Because we've got an answer tonight, but in six months somebody may ask, so just break [00:08:26] it out between the two. [00:08:28] My question is, is it aesthetics, or is it to lower the heat level on the generator so [00:08:36] it doesn't shorten the useful life of the generator because of that heat gain that it [00:08:44] would receive during, obviously, the daylight, sun hours? [00:08:50] So basically, you're putting the shade structure, or the roof over it, to extend useful life [00:08:59] because when it runs hot, or it gets hot inside, it may foul some of the components prematurely. [00:09:04] Correct. [00:09:05] Is that a fair assessment of what's going on? [00:09:08] Exactly. [00:09:10] The next project that we have for you is the senior center roof replacement. [00:09:19] We've had several leaks and several patches up there in the front portion of it, and so [00:09:27] we will budget and have this one taken care of. [00:09:30] A chance for a grant there, since it's a senior center? [00:09:35] Yes, it would be eligible for a grant. [00:09:39] It isn't one that we planned for for the 17-18 year, and I don't know if the condition would [00:09:46] allow us to wait an additional year. [00:09:49] I wouldn't recommend that we wait an additional year. [00:09:52] We were up there with a couple complaints, and we had a couple leaks, and it just seems [00:09:58] like we're chasing our tails with this thing. [00:10:00] I'm just saying, it's too late for a grant for this year then? [00:10:04] For the first source that comes to my mind is community development block grant funds, [00:10:10] and yes, it is too late for us to utilize that funding source, and any other grant that [00:10:20] might be available, we're not certain if we would be able to secure it for the current [00:10:27] fiscal year. [00:10:28] The oncoming fiscal year, I should say. [00:10:31] Excuse me. [00:10:32] When is that lease up for that property? [00:10:35] I'm not prepared to respond to that question. [00:10:39] I don't know whether Ms. Smith can help me out. [00:10:44] I'll have to report back to you. [00:10:47] I know we've discussed about trying to make that a little more equitable for the city, [00:10:54] because they drive quite a bit of income through there for the care side, and we've spent a [00:11:02] lot of money in the last three, four years, one for the hurricane hardening of the building, [00:11:09] and then just the in and out on the project. [00:11:13] I know we've asked that question a couple times about what's the fair and equitable [00:11:19] thing from the city, and for us providing that particular building for their use. [00:11:27] My mom was there for a little over a year on the day, I guess you'd call it the respite [00:11:33] daycare elements, and unless they got grants, they drive a pretty good cash flow through [00:11:40] that building. [00:11:43] I'll report back to you then on that matter. [00:11:45] I wouldn't wait on the roof either, due to the fact that if we do get something adverse, [00:11:50] I'd hate for the building to get flooded out, and then we've got a bigger claim issue and [00:11:57] more issues along that time, because just looking at the roof on that picture right [00:12:01] there, it's well beyond useful life, and flashings are gone, everything else. [00:12:12] Our next project that we have for you is the recreation center storage exterior fencing [00:12:21] replacement. [00:12:23] This is the barn, for lack of a better term, that the old parks division worked out of [00:12:30] off of Indiana Avenue, and so we need to do some fencing improvements to that. [00:12:37] Will it include a more user-friendly gate? [00:12:43] Yes, ma'am. [00:12:48] Can you name it after somebody? [00:12:51] Name it right. [00:12:52] For the right price. [00:12:54] That's your name on it. [00:12:56] That's all right, there's a few other things already named after me, I'm good for right now. [00:13:01] I didn't know if any of you all have any questions before we go to the next one. [00:13:06] Next year, you've got almost $900,000. [00:13:14] I understand the Cody River Bollards, we've been pushing that out for a couple of years. [00:13:23] In the interim, I'd really like to understand, I know we designed the pools with the water [00:13:30] slide, and now we're coming up on it's time to have it replaced. [00:13:36] Half a million dollars for a water slide leads me to ask the question, is it really an amenity [00:13:49] that really is going to lessen the use of the pool as opposed to... [00:13:58] It asks a larger question, but half a million dollars, or excuse me, $430,000, I don't want [00:14:05] to mischaracterize it, but understanding that you'd like to do that, I really am at a point [00:14:13] where I'd have to know, I guess I'd have to know the ROI on it. [00:14:19] What's my return on investment? [00:14:20] If I don't have it, how many less people are going to come to the pool on an annual basis? [00:14:27] Because we have other parks that we've identified. [00:14:31] It's an outreach question, it's a year or so down the road, so there ought to be some [00:14:36] insight given on it. [00:14:38] Like I said, if I had $430,000 on five other projects within the city at the time, I might [00:14:47] find that it's good, bad, or indifferent. [00:14:52] It's a very big number. [00:14:54] I've looked at that from a different angle on life. [00:15:00] That is the second slide. [00:15:08] But the point that Councilman Phillips is making is valid and we can do a better job [00:15:14] trying to determine what the increased use would be of the facility if it had the additional [00:15:22] amenity before we program that kind of money. [00:15:26] Like I said, it's not that I wouldn't like the amenity if I could afford it, but in the [00:15:35] same token, what does it do at the end of the day if we've already got one? [00:15:43] Second slide is one of those, from my perspective, nice to have, but what's the opportunity cost? [00:15:48] What do we have to give up to have a second slide there that's redundant? [00:15:52] We have $800,000 worth of C-walls that need to be repaired. [00:15:55] Elaine, I'm not there during the summer on a hot day. [00:15:58] I'm working in the air conditioner. [00:16:00] How backed up is the line? [00:16:02] We have summer camps coming to the rec center. [00:16:04] Obviously, the slide itself is kind of like the staple of the rec center. [00:16:07] If you ask me, when I think of the Recreation and Aquatic Center, that slide sticks out to me. [00:16:12] Are you wanting a second slide because these kids are waiting half an hour to go down the slide? [00:16:16] Where does it add on a daily basis? [00:16:18] It varies. [00:16:19] Sometimes we receive complaints because the pools are too crowded when the summer camps [00:16:22] are in there, and sometimes the kids do line up. [00:16:26] The line goes all the way down to the pool deck, but we try to keep it moving to prevent [00:16:30] that from happening. [00:16:32] I agree 100% that we should look at our ROI and see if that's going to be worth putting [00:16:39] in a second slide. [00:16:40] The pool, when it was designed, was designed to put in a second slide at some point, so [00:16:45] it's engineered for that. [00:16:46] So we were just looking. [00:16:48] This is something we've been discussing for a few years. [00:16:50] At some point, do we want to try to pursue that or not? [00:16:53] Maybe next year or 2018 is maybe not the year to do it. [00:16:58] As of right now, I mean, when kids come to the rec center, is it not like, well, I want [00:17:03] to wait in line, it takes too long? [00:17:05] We're not there at this point? [00:17:06] Some days. [00:17:07] Some days there is a long line, and they opt to swim in the other pools instead of using [00:17:12] the slide, but it's not always that way. [00:17:15] I would think that self-corrects depending on how long the line gets. [00:17:19] Correct. [00:17:20] I have a question about the refurbishing that we're doing with the recreation center now, [00:17:28] bringing the weight room up to the front, and then that room there that is now the weight [00:17:37] room will be a facility for, are we, just remind me, are we opening an entryway there [00:17:44] then out to those pools at that point from that room? [00:17:48] From the activity room, there will be a door, yes. [00:17:51] I'm wondering if, had we thought about what things might need to be put in place there [00:17:57] for the continuity of that area? [00:18:00] I mean, we're looking at shade improvements and engineering for 2018-19, but I'm just [00:18:05] wondering with us opening that area there, might there be a need for any? [00:18:10] We'll be looking at that in conjunction with the FF&E budget for the project. [00:18:24] Thanks. [00:18:26] The next section is the stormwater utility. [00:18:32] This is the line item miscellaneous flood and water quality project. [00:18:36] Typically, these projects are reactive projects. [00:18:40] When we go through rainy seasons, they are reactive in several ways. [00:18:45] Number one, could be flooding in an area that needs to be addressed immediately, all the [00:18:50] way from being associated to a street or utility project that identifies a defect in the system [00:18:59] to where we have to line an existing area or dredge a canal, those types of things. [00:19:12] Hemlock Drive is, I don't know if you remember, but it is the final piece of property that [00:19:19] we purchased that one year out of the three. [00:19:21] This is in the Heights neighborhood as well. [00:19:24] This is an area that floods typically. [00:19:27] The idea in this project is to go ahead and construct a stormwater pond on that site and [00:19:33] then have an overflow structure that ties into the existing FDOT system. [00:19:41] Of course, a portion of that project will be funded by SWFMUD cooperative funding. [00:19:48] Kevin, I'm sorry. [00:19:48] Can you just go back to that picture? [00:19:50] Where is that located? [00:19:52] That's on Hemlock Drive. [00:19:54] If you were on Marine Parkway, it's on the north side. [00:20:00] It does a 90-degree turn and is behind the old PetSmart, right in that area. [00:20:06] When I first looked at that, I was thinking it looked like the old Richey Elementary building. [00:20:12] That is. [00:20:13] That's just a picture of a retention pond because the only thing that we have there [00:20:17] now is just a vacant lot. [00:20:19] I wanted to kind of give you an idea of what it was going to be like. [00:20:23] So that is not the picture of Elmont? [00:20:25] No, ma'am. [00:20:25] I was thinking... [00:20:26] Okay, thank you. [00:20:29] Just a question. [00:20:32] In years 18, 19, and 20, you've got Maple Street. [00:20:39] You've got some things out in 19, 2000 for Madison Street and High. [00:20:46] We're not going to put down a brand new road on Madison and then two years later, [00:20:50] come back and tear up a big intersection to accommodate this after we've done the [00:20:57] Madison Street improvements? [00:20:59] No, sir. [00:21:00] We've already discussed that in staff meetings. [00:21:04] We will take in on the south side of the bridge there on Madison Street. [00:21:09] We will leave that section alone to Golf Drive, maybe do a few patches where there could be a [00:21:15] bad area, but then we would follow up. [00:21:18] Once we start this project, that's when we would do that area. [00:21:21] So basically, we're going to do Cecilia down to Gulf, or just shy of Gulf on Arthur or [00:21:26] whatever. [00:21:27] Then you're going to skip over the bridge and pick up at the bridge and go all the way [00:21:32] to Mass? [00:21:32] All the way. [00:21:33] Can you be crystal clear to the community the reasons why it's going to be a year or [00:21:38] so later before? [00:21:40] Because they'll look at it as the city didn't know what they were doing. [00:21:46] They left their windshield wiper, didn't get all the water off the glass or whatever. [00:21:53] I err on the caution of looking like we don't know what we're doing. [00:21:58] In essence, to let them know that there's a storm water element, there's a whole series [00:22:04] of things that are happening and we weren't going to put down new asphalt to tear it up, [00:22:08] and that it's staged. [00:22:09] Even if you have to put up a sign that says, this section is being staged to be done in [00:22:13] another year and a half from now. [00:22:15] However we best can communicate that. [00:22:17] Well, it's basically tied into the additional funds of the Restore Act that are becoming [00:22:24] available. [00:22:26] Storm water projects are typically very expensive. [00:22:29] The Madison Street project that we're talking about that is in the 2003 master plan as well [00:22:35] as the 2013 calls for that whole system to be upgraded. [00:22:41] We have the opportunity to potentially fund three quarters of this project that is around [00:22:48] a million dollars. [00:22:49] We're looking at possibly getting around $800,000 from grant money. [00:22:55] For that and that alone and their time availability, we feel like it's in the best interest of [00:23:02] the taxpayers to be able to just hold off on that section. [00:23:08] Let's not go ahead and reconstruct it, spend good money, use that money in another area, [00:23:14] and then we'll come back when those Restore Act funds are there to where we can utilize [00:23:19] those and get the storm system in. [00:23:21] Is that Restore Act money? [00:23:22] Is that in Pot 1, Pot 3, or Pot 5? [00:23:25] Which one? [00:23:26] Because we all know we've sat through a couple of meetings out on the county side, [00:23:33] and until we have a one-on-one or a group-on-group interchange with them, [00:23:41] they've been very, very protective of one of those pots of money. [00:23:49] They've tried to drive it with large scope projects. [00:23:54] They've put the game rules in after the game has started. [00:24:02] If we're banking on that and it doesn't happen, what's the fallback? [00:24:08] Otherwise, I guess I'd like to have a better idea of which pot it's in. [00:24:15] I would be concerned. [00:24:17] I will get what pot it is. [00:24:19] I don't want to tell you if it's 2 or 3, but I will tell you this. [00:24:24] It's not like it's far-fetched. [00:24:28] We applied and submitted our application. [00:24:31] We ended up being selected in that initial pull. [00:24:35] We were one of the few projects other than county projects that were allowed in. [00:24:40] Now we're in that second stage. [00:24:42] We've already applied for restore money for design, [00:24:46] and then hopefully the next will be construction. [00:24:50] We've made it through the preliminary phase. [00:24:52] Right now, we're submitting paperwork. [00:24:55] Is there a chance that we might not get it? [00:24:57] Yes, but it is worth that delay. [00:25:01] If we commit to the pavement management plan, we're going to be paving every year. [00:25:07] It's not like we would pay for an additional mobilization to come back and do that road. [00:25:12] We would know in a year or two if we're going to get the money from the Restore Act. [00:25:16] If we weren't, then we would just incorporate that section into that year's [00:25:22] roadway project, and the mobilization charge is going to be the same, [00:25:26] whether or not they did that portion and completed Madison, [00:25:30] or whether they were on the other side of town. [00:25:40] Our next project that we have is Meadow Street stormwater improvements, [00:25:44] and that is an upsize of the existing storm system. [00:25:48] This is also in the stormwater master plan, both of them. [00:25:52] This area is just west of Madison Street and north of School Road, almost east of Applicant [00:26:06] Insight, if that gets you a little bit closer. [00:26:09] It's right there around the school. [00:26:11] You can see this was, I believe, a few years back when we had those tropical storms that [00:26:20] just hung out there in the Gulf and stayed right over top of us. [00:26:25] We've done some improvements to that area, but if we were to get another storm like that, [00:26:31] that dropped 22 inches, the same thing will probably happen. [00:26:35] We're going to apply for SWFMUD cooperative funding to help fund this project. [00:26:43] It leads me to the other thing, too. [00:26:45] That's another thing that we do with the stormwater utility, because the projects are so [00:26:49] expensive. [00:26:50] When you do see that carryover, most of the time you're seeing the carryover of funds [00:26:55] so that we can double our money and be able to do those large stormwater projects. [00:27:05] I don't know if there's any questions on the spreadsheet in the beginning of that stormwater [00:27:11] section. [00:27:12] It typically should be the same as what we've been going over for the stormwater utility [00:27:19] assessment with all the projects that we had to give the consultant and that we presented [00:27:23] to you. [00:27:39] Okay, our next section is the Penny for Pascoe II Capital Improvement Fund. [00:27:46] The first project we have here is the Meadows Dog Park upgrades. [00:27:53] It is the engineering and design to come up with replacing the existing shade structures [00:28:02] and additional amenities that we can do to improve this park. [00:28:10] I have problems putting half a million dollars in a dog park. [00:28:16] I know it was in the master plan. [00:28:20] I know we talked about those, but I think it leads to a larger conversation that we [00:28:26] can have when we get to it. [00:28:29] But you got $450,000 here. [00:28:35] You got a half a million for your skate park. [00:28:38] I think it leads to the bigger discussion of Little League Baseball and Pine Hill. [00:28:48] The reason it leads to that is there needs to be a better cooperative conversation about [00:28:55] how that sport or element is being dealt with on the west side of 19 from whatever the lines [00:29:05] that they cut off now with Little League. [00:29:07] Obviously, there would be the advent if you decided what was a new life for plumber fields. [00:29:16] It could actually be a dual-purposed facility. [00:29:20] Could have the dog park, could have your skate park together. [00:29:23] But that's a larger question. [00:29:25] I'm just saying that in this budget for the next five years, when you talk about plumber, [00:29:31] you got $60,000 in there, and that's it. [00:29:36] I don't know if Mr. Davis, Mr. Davis is out there much more than any of us. [00:29:41] When we get that, when the city gets that back, it's going to be one of those elements [00:29:48] that when you get it back, there's going to be a number of items that have not been addressed. [00:29:56] And I believe they're going to, it's going to come back. [00:30:00] to in your capital budget to address those. And I addressed this when we were doing the [00:30:06] master plan was a conversation about what's the Little League need to do, what's West [00:30:12] Pasco need to do, what's the county need to do in conjunction because that particular [00:30:19] site over there continues to be tough to manage with parking. They had to wait almost over [00:30:30] a year to replace netting that went on the neighbor's side so that the balls wouldn't [00:30:38] go through the netting on the Little League fields and fly into their backyards. And I [00:30:42] understand they just got those done, but those had been in their queue for about a year and [00:30:47] a half. So it's a larger discussion, especially if you've got a half a million and you've [00:30:54] got a half a million on skate park and you have almost $450,000 for a dog park. I'm just [00:31:03] trying to understand. I know we did the master plan, we had some conversations, but we kind [00:31:07] of kicked it down the road into that as to what it is. And where the dog park is now, [00:31:15] the only net benefit is that you could connect that property into the Great Preserve, but [00:31:22] otherwise half a million dollars in a really remote dog park? You've been here, Jeff. [00:31:29] I have. I personally think the dog park is extremely important. I don't know if y'all [00:31:34] have been there and hung out. My mom goes there on a regular basis. When we talk about [00:31:38] building our city and installing a sense of community, there's senior citizens and retirees [00:31:44] that go there every morning and that's all they have, honestly. I mean, if you go out [00:31:48] there and spend a little time one morning, right now it's a dirt field. If you want to [00:31:53] move it and acquire land or use land, we already have, that's fine, but I just think it's very, [00:31:59] very important to our citizens. Judy, you complain about having dogs in Sims Park because [00:32:03] not everyone picks up after them, but it really does. It just provides a sense of community, [00:32:08] I think, for a lot of our senior citizens. That's all they have, pretty much going to [00:32:13] Publix and doing that in the morning or later in the day when it's not so hot to get out [00:32:18] of the house. I just think that we have to look at aspects like that. I think it's very, [00:32:21] very important. I'm not sure the location is there. I like the idea of having all of [00:32:26] those pots sitting there roughly allocated out for future years, but if we do what Councilman [00:32:37] Phillips is suggesting and think of all three of those as a whole, I could, and I know we [00:32:44] had discussions about closing the dog park in the existing location and doing something [00:32:52] with an aerial bridge or something over the river to incorporate that as part of the Gray [00:32:59] Preserve and then put the dog park somewhere else that's more accessible. [00:33:04] Yeah, because I have to tell you that when we mentioned the phase two of Sims Park and [00:33:09] talked about dogs, I got four emails that told me that, why do you want to have dogs? [00:33:16] I was literally taken aback because I was like, gosh, it was like, all right, maybe [00:33:21] I'm not seeing the forest for the tree probably, but the element there. I'm just saying that [00:33:28] if we're in that evolution, that the conversation needs to be there. Of course, I grew up in [00:33:34] New Portagee and I played Little League Baseball at Plummer Field, so there's an affinity there [00:33:39] and my kids played there, but I'm also looking at how underappreciated some of the youth [00:33:48] sports are in West Pasco. If we need to be a different player, fine, but we're finding, [00:33:57] and Judy was the one who brought it to us and said, she's been in California, she's [00:34:02] been up in New York City, she's been all these places, because I'm really not a skate [00:34:07] park guy, never have been. We finally took the fence down because it was such an issue [00:34:15] having them have access and not have access and doing all that, so we took out all the [00:34:19] barriers, but in trying to offer all of those amenities, and if you don't talk about it, [00:34:26] it'll catch up with you. Like I said, the only time we get to talk about it in a group [00:34:30] is when we sit here. Sometimes it's like you're ambushing or you're bringing up an [00:34:36] idea or a conversation, but really, this one and one more time, this is set. I just think [00:34:43] that when we did the master plan, we were trying to be entities and we were trying to [00:34:49] connect with every possible aspect of enhancing our city, and I just am not overwhelmed by [00:34:56] where the dog park is. There's challenges at Plummer Field, and then the advent of the [00:35:02] skate park's location on our physical plant for the rec center. All those things come [00:35:08] together. They don't flow out in one place, but they are things that, and when you start [00:35:14] putting these kind of numbers to them, I just think, and collectively with that plan that [00:35:21] Mr. Barth did, is that it's there, because I think the Little League's important. I just [00:35:26] don't know how to work with it. [00:35:29] Let me suggest, if we leave these numbers, because they're all in future years. They're [00:35:32] not in the appendix. [00:35:33] Yeah, I'm not saying moving them now. I'm just putting it out there. It's a conversation [00:35:38] piece. [00:35:39] It's something we need to discuss. If we could perhaps get staff to look at some alternative [00:35:47] locations, and let's schedule a workshop where we can sit down and kick them around, talking [00:35:55] about all three of these. A new place for the Little League, new place for the dog park [00:36:04] and skate park, and agenda that for sometime October, November, once we're out of budget [00:36:12] season. [00:36:14] Educate me a little bit on Little League. New place. We're not looking to build a brand [00:36:18] new complex. You're looking for upgrades and more parking. [00:36:21] The thing is, it's got a very tight, it's always had a tight. [00:36:25] I can't believe you don't want us to run over. [00:36:27] The other aspect is that the price point that's being charged there, because of the economic [00:36:33] base, it becomes a magnet for a lot of different places that doesn't have it, but it's much [00:36:39] like the soccer and the softball fields over there where the Mitchell Park is on Little [00:36:45] Road, but the West Pasco site has created parking issues, so we're expanding it. [00:36:52] When Public Works expanded, they took about a quarter of a parking area behind and put [00:36:57] the retention pond in. [00:36:58] It's a good advent, but on the flip side, when we get the real estate back, some of [00:37:06] this money that we've got targeted here, I think, is going to have to go in and fix some [00:37:10] of the physical plan issues. [00:37:12] Don't you agree, Mr. Davis? [00:37:14] What happened is, was it a year and a half, two years ago? [00:37:20] Two years ago, when one of the rotaries came in and they did a lot of work. [00:37:26] They spent a weekend there and did a lot of work, and not much was done after that by [00:37:32] the county, so there was a little bit of a storm from myself and Debbie, and we got [00:37:38] them at least to change some of the first level of fence around it because it was in [00:37:43] real bad shape. [00:37:44] Did a little work with the dugouts and trimmed it up a lot, but the building itself that's [00:37:50] there, it needs some work. [00:37:53] The concession stand and the upstairs, I haven't even been upstairs. [00:37:57] I don't know if you're even allowed upstairs. [00:37:59] They built the concession stand in 1974. [00:38:01] Yeah, so there's a building there, and they have equipment there, and I'm sure they're [00:38:06] going to take all their equipment when they leave. [00:38:08] I mean, I would like us to negotiate to at least leave the equipment that they have there, [00:38:12] but we still need some kind of contract with the county as far as getting infield dirt, [00:38:21] getting the grass, whatever kind of stuff they use to make the grass grow and stuff, [00:38:31] because they're going to the other fields, so we're going to need them to maintain some [00:38:35] kind of spraying of the fields and stuff. [00:38:37] What other fields? [00:38:38] The rest of the county. [00:38:40] Where in West Pasco are they going? [00:38:41] Oh, we have Holiday and Hudson, right? [00:38:43] Yeah, Holiday, Hudson. [00:38:44] It really does, but that park in Rexburg. [00:38:46] Land O'Lakes, Wesley Chapel. [00:38:49] But instead of us starting a whole insecticide group that goes out and sprays those four fields, [00:38:54] that we should just maintain a contract with them, because they come around every month. [00:38:58] Why is the county just washing their hands of ... ? [00:39:00] They want it out. [00:39:01] Why? [00:39:02] They have a new director, so give it back to them. [00:39:06] And that particular ... and he brought ... alluded to it a little bit. [00:39:13] They don't have umpires. [00:39:15] They don't pay umpires. [00:39:17] They use parents, volunteers, coaches to do all their umpires, [00:39:22] so that the kids can play there for a lesser fee. [00:39:25] There's less money for a child or a family to play a plumber field, literally, [00:39:29] than it would be at Holiday Field. [00:39:30] Correct. Or Land O'Lakes, or Hudson. [00:39:33] Or Hudson. Those are the three. [00:39:35] Right. [00:39:36] So they're packed out every year, and they fill it up. [00:39:45] So it takes its wear and tear. [00:39:47] Should we be kind of paying attention to, probably, with Elaine, [00:39:52] she should be keeping an eye on that field and reporting back to Debbie [00:39:55] so they don't walk away with it trashed. [00:39:58] But there was ... an example is there was limited ... [00:40:05] they limited the rotary from getting on ladders, [00:40:08] so some stuff wasn't painted that was above arm's reach. [00:40:12] Well, the county never went ahead and finished it. [00:40:14] There are metal connectors that go on a post, a metal post that comes up to the ground, [00:40:23] and there's a metal connector that hooks to the roof. [00:40:25] Well, you can go in there and flip the metal off with your finger, [00:40:29] and they should be replaced. [00:40:31] Well, they're going to walk away leaving those, I can guarantee you, [00:40:33] unless we happen to pay attention to it and get it done. [00:40:36] So there's going to be a lot of those things. [00:40:38] Are the fields in relatively good shape? Yes. [00:40:41] But, you know, we're going to have to buy dirt, [00:40:43] and when we buy infield dirt it's better to park with a county [00:40:47] because they're going to get a truckload and we need ... [00:40:49] they're going to get 10 truckloads and we need one so we can get it at a better price. [00:40:52] But some of those things we should negotiate out of as we get done. [00:40:56] But it's always been, you know, for as long as I can remember, [00:41:00] been a low ... since I've been umpire 15 years, [00:41:03] it's been, you know, a cheaper price for the kids that go there. [00:41:09] When's the exit? Isn't it 19? [00:41:11] Two years, as I recall. [00:41:13] 16, 17, 18? [00:41:15] Oh. [00:41:16] Yeah, because I remember I thought it was last year. [00:41:19] So in 18 ... [00:41:21] Right. [00:41:22] And we own the property, [00:41:24] and we've had a relationship with the county ever since to maintain it. [00:41:29] That's right. [00:41:30] That's the relationship that I ... [00:41:32] And there was another problem with the bleachers. [00:41:38] I mean, there was ... [00:41:40] Little League was supposedly maintaining the bleachers, [00:41:42] but they weren't maintaining them, [00:41:44] and then the county said they weren't maintaining them, [00:41:46] so they just sat there. [00:41:47] Well, now there's been some work done with changing out some of the bleachers [00:41:50] where you could tear your body up trying to get in and out of a bleacher. [00:41:54] But they've done some work on them. [00:41:56] But ... [00:41:58] It's just ... [00:42:00] It is something that's going to show up. [00:42:03] It's like your Fram oil filter. [00:42:06] If you don't service your car and all of a sudden it goes out [00:42:10] because you don't change the oil filter, it's going to show up. [00:42:13] And the other situation is their senior league field, [00:42:17] their large field over there, [00:42:19] is inadequately undersized for competitive play, [00:42:25] and it has been forever. [00:42:28] So because of the footprint mainly, [00:42:32] and they needed to create a tee ball field 20-something years ago, [00:42:36] so they basically moved the fences in and put it in the back. [00:42:40] And the problem was on Saturday morning, [00:42:42] kids would be hitting home runs out of the senior league field [00:42:45] into the tee ball field. [00:42:48] Because, like I said, my kids grew up there too. [00:42:50] I'm just thinking that it's the part of a larger conversation, [00:42:57] and when it shows up we're going to have to bring our property back up, [00:43:02] which is fine, [00:43:04] but then there's the advent of what would be collectively best [00:43:09] from south of Hudson and north of Holiday for baseball in this area. [00:43:16] It has a reputation of, [00:43:18] oh, we've got to go to West Pasco this weekend. [00:43:22] And it's another county field. [00:43:24] It's been maintained, quote, by the county, [00:43:26] but the county hasn't taken care of it. [00:43:28] If I could insert, [00:43:30] I have a couple of concerns about the whole baseball field. [00:43:33] To hear that it's in the kind of condition that it is, [00:43:37] and it's our property and they're not maintaining it, [00:43:40] and God forbid somebody gets hurt or injured. [00:43:43] It's the county's problem. [00:43:45] The county is the one that's not maintaining it, [00:43:47] and it's their contract to maintain it. [00:43:49] But it's our property? [00:43:51] I mean, we own it, [00:43:52] and I would think that there would be some responsibility on our part [00:43:57] if that's our property. [00:43:58] If somebody gets hurt, [00:43:59] you can guarantee that everybody and their brother will get involved in a suit. [00:44:02] So that's one of my concerns. [00:44:04] The other thought is about, [00:44:06] I am positive that when we were talking about the dog park, [00:44:10] that we were talking about bringing back into play the traveling that I've done [00:44:17] and where I see dog parks in other cities, [00:44:22] that they're really more of an integral part of the social scene. [00:44:25] So I appreciate the fact that they're for the elderly, [00:44:28] but we have to look to the future of what is the life of that. [00:44:33] Dogs play a prominent part in people's lives today, [00:44:38] and so I think that it's important that we have one. [00:44:42] I'm not sure that it's to the tune of half a million dollars, [00:44:46] but I also think that we need to investigate what is trending with dog parks, [00:44:53] because I think, as I said, they're really more almost in a more [00:45:00] located more in the midst of activity. [00:45:04] You know, we're talking about, [00:45:05] we just did the renovations on Marine Parkway, [00:45:09] and we were talking about doing something [00:45:11] on Grand Boulevard. [00:45:12] I mean, it almost seems like there needs to be [00:45:14] an inclusion of dog parks in a more visual area than there. [00:45:20] And I think that's- [00:45:21] You could take the west side of the entrance [00:45:24] to Francis Park, where that volleyball court is, [00:45:26] it's never used. [00:45:28] And not to belabor the issue, [00:45:29] I think we were all in agreement that those three issues, [00:45:32] probably we need to sit and chat about separately. [00:45:34] Let's do that. [00:45:36] Ms. Mann, you have a small dog park [00:45:38] inside of your development, don't you? [00:45:40] I do. [00:45:41] And it's located right next to where I live, [00:45:44] and it is very heavily relied upon [00:45:50] by the residents and the community. [00:45:54] And it is considered to be very important to them [00:46:02] in terms of the amenities that are offered. [00:46:04] Probably part of the reason [00:46:05] so many people bought in the community. [00:46:08] And I'm sure that with Judy's travels, [00:46:11] especially how, I think Mr. Barth touched upon it, [00:46:16] or one of his designers, maybe the guy from Atlanta, [00:46:19] and I really don't want to butcher his name, [00:46:21] I did it to Mr. Barth already. [00:46:23] But how they've taken smaller footprints [00:46:28] inside of a neighborhood and made it, [00:46:31] you don't have one big dog park, [00:46:33] you've got kind of a smaller, [00:46:37] and I know in New York City, they- [00:46:38] Neighborhood park. [00:46:39] It's like a neighborhood park. [00:46:40] Yeah, because in New York City, [00:46:43] they don't have a lot of, [00:46:44] they got postage stamps to work out of. [00:46:47] But I think we're in agreement that we need [00:46:50] to kind of meld it into the overall quality [00:46:54] of New Port Richey, so. [00:46:56] And the final thing I have, Robert, [00:46:57] is every year we put this Olympic swimming pool [00:47:00] and we kick it out. [00:47:02] And we put the Olympic swimming pool and we kick, [00:47:04] because this is year five, next year will be year six. [00:47:09] And every year, it's gotten kicked out. [00:47:13] And it's always price, it's always footprint availability, [00:47:18] and taking out of service what we have now, [00:47:23] because it wasn't built in the first place. [00:47:27] So, as I said, if it's a placeholder, [00:47:31] just every year, just put a big X on it [00:47:32] and say this is our placeholder, [00:47:34] because it keeps, and I think a couple years ago, [00:47:38] I think it was $2.6 million, and now it's like 3.1, so. [00:47:43] And we all agree that we need it for competitiveness [00:47:46] and for the rec center's footprint, [00:47:48] because it was in that study and whatever, [00:47:51] the consultant report there, but it's, once again, [00:47:54] it's one of those sticker shock items [00:47:56] that if we took the rec center down for eight months to, [00:48:01] you know, we're doing it now to do improvements, [00:48:03] we do it for the swimming pool, you know, [00:48:05] we'll have the swimmers all back in. [00:48:08] So I'm just, again, I see it here, I'm just, [00:48:11] I just have to point it out. [00:48:12] Yeah, and we try to leave it in there [00:48:14] because it has been a topic of discussion [00:48:17] with this city council as well as previous city councils, [00:48:21] and so you're right, it basically is a placeholder [00:48:24] to where we can keep it alive so that it's up for discussion [00:48:29] to where, you know, if next year the situation changes [00:48:33] and it's real important to council [00:48:36] or funds become available, then it's an item [00:48:39] that everybody has discussed [00:48:40] and they haven't forgotten about. [00:48:43] I win the Powerball tomorrow night, [00:48:45] I'll build a pool. [00:48:46] By the way, on the tennis courts, [00:48:47] are you going to take half of the tennis courts out [00:48:49] to do the one phase, or are you going to do, [00:48:52] or is this bridge money that's going to be at 300,000? [00:48:56] Because I'm just, I'm for timing elements, [00:48:59] because, you know, obviously in the summertime [00:49:01] is when you'd love to take it out of service [00:49:03] because it's so hot, but once again, I'm probably, [00:49:05] there's probably, I saw some of the numbers [00:49:08] that were quoted in the last 60 days [00:49:09] of just people playing tennis. [00:49:12] I'm like, you know, where's the oxygen [00:49:15] and where's the shade? [00:49:16] But I'm just trying to understand, [00:49:18] is it a two phase tennis court reconfiguration? [00:49:24] Tennis courts, we're really not sure [00:49:26] where we're headed right now. [00:49:29] We are in the boring phase. [00:49:33] We've identified with the ground, soil borings, [00:49:35] I'm sorry, we've identified. [00:49:38] Is that B-O-R-E, B-O-R-I-N-G? [00:49:41] Boring, okay, I got you. [00:49:43] We've performed ground penetrating radar [00:49:46] and we've identified several soil abnormalities, [00:49:51] and so right now we're trying to figure out [00:49:53] exactly what we have is going to dictate [00:49:55] whether or not we're resurfacing a tennis court [00:49:58] or reconstructing one. [00:49:59] I'm sorry, I'm laughing, but we talked about [00:50:02] draining Orange Lake and looking for archeological finds, [00:50:07] and I'm just worried we're going to find it [00:50:09] in the old burial ground somewhere around here, [00:50:11] so gotcha, thanks. [00:50:13] Can I ask a question about the gateway entry sign? [00:50:15] 25,000 for next year's budget. [00:50:18] Had we had a conversation about, [00:50:20] is this like something, a magnificent entryway [00:50:24] to Orange City, or is it just a sign that we're discussing? [00:50:27] Because I know that we've talked about having... [00:50:31] It's just a sign that we're discussing. [00:50:33] There hasn't been any design work done at this point. [00:50:37] Had brought to the table the fire and water thing again. [00:50:41] Not yet. [00:50:43] I was just out of town, and I'm going to send you all [00:50:46] a video that I'd like you to take a look at, [00:50:49] and just remember, clear water, gas, and water. [00:50:52] So just keep those two elements in mind, [00:50:54] and then when you see this video, [00:50:56] be thinking of that at the entryway to Waterford. [00:50:58] Thank you. [00:51:01] Our next project that we have, [00:51:03] we're currently in progress with, [00:51:05] it's the Recreation and Aquatic Center Facility Expansion [00:51:08] that you all are familiar with. [00:51:13] This project... [00:51:14] Is that the rollover billion that wasn't spent this year? [00:51:17] Or out of? [00:51:18] So out of the two million, or the million eight, [00:51:21] you had rollover from last year in this fiscal year, [00:51:25] and then once they finished in this million, [00:51:27] comes out a new fiscal year that equals [00:51:30] the million eight investment into that facility. [00:51:33] Is that right? [00:51:34] Correct. [00:51:34] Okay, all right. [00:51:36] All right. [00:51:39] Until, to add on to that comment, [00:51:42] all of the projects that you see in here [00:51:43] that are currently active, [00:51:45] the dollar amount that you see in the white box there [00:51:49] is just the rollover. [00:51:52] Okay. [00:51:54] This project consists of the construction [00:51:57] of the Shell Parking Area, [00:51:59] new trails and boardwalks leading into the Gray Preserve, [00:52:02] and I believe this is one of the ones [00:52:04] that we increased the engineering from 35 to 70. [00:52:10] We had taken and combined, [00:52:12] I think in the spreadsheet that you have [00:52:15] that you originally got, [00:52:17] it had these two divided into two projects, [00:52:20] and we combined them into one, [00:52:22] so the money stayed the same, [00:52:23] and I believe, did we get more grant money out of it? [00:52:28] We have received additional grant money, [00:52:30] but it's not for this phase of the project, [00:52:32] it's a subsequent phase. [00:52:35] And it's an additional. [00:52:36] Why did the engineering double? [00:52:41] Elaine? [00:52:44] Yeah. [00:52:45] Do you recall what the number is for engineering? [00:52:51] It says 70,000. [00:52:53] It's not. [00:52:54] What? [00:53:00] It was somewhere around 35, [00:53:02] which was 10% of the monies. [00:53:07] Grant allows us to pay 15% for planning services, [00:53:14] and as I recall, I thought the bid for professional services [00:53:19] was for the 15th out, 15%, excuse me, [00:53:24] of the total grant amount. [00:53:31] So the engineering number, you're right, [00:53:34] would then be elevated. [00:53:41] So the construction of the shade structures, [00:53:45] I think you said, no, I'm sorry, boardwalk. [00:53:48] Is there any shade element over that boardwalk at all? [00:53:54] At this point, the design work has not been completed. [00:54:00] Because I think that that is a critically important, [00:54:04] especially that we live in Florida. [00:54:06] I know Ms. Manz and I, you and I have had a conversation [00:54:09] about the shade, the sunscreen element [00:54:12] that I'd like to see us incorporate potentially, [00:54:15] but it just brings the idea that, you know, [00:54:17] we are in a subtropical climate, [00:54:20] and that shade is critical [00:54:22] to the skin health of our community. [00:54:25] And so I think wherever we can include elements [00:54:28] that provide some shade, especially over a boardwalk [00:54:32] where there's water and reflection and all of that. [00:54:35] So I think that would be. [00:54:38] All right, we'll be mindful of that as we go forward. [00:54:41] Elaine, were you able to identify the figure [00:54:43] or Diney to report later to the council on it? [00:54:47] Okay. [00:54:51] Okay. [00:54:53] I know. [00:54:55] Thank you for pointing that out. [00:54:56] Can I ask a question? [00:54:57] Are we everybody's keeper? [00:55:00] And the reason I ask that is, is when it's hot, [00:55:04] and they're not smart enough to get out of the sun, [00:55:06] I'm sorry. [00:55:08] I mean, you know, that was like yesterday [00:55:11] with the solar eclipse. [00:55:14] Don't look at the sun, [00:55:16] because everybody's gonna look at the sun. [00:55:17] I'm just, I grant you, I like shade in certain places, [00:55:22] but when it's 95 and 95% humidity and all that, [00:55:29] I can't design or provide facility and services [00:55:34] to that level of comfort. [00:55:36] I just, for whatever it is, I'm just, [00:55:39] and I understand, I just am at a point [00:55:42] that I can't over-design something for the one-off use [00:55:47] that somebody may come out on that one day at that time. [00:55:51] Like I said, it just gets to a point [00:55:53] where safety, service, enjoyment, pick a better time. [00:55:59] I just, like I said, I just, [00:56:01] and I appreciate trying to help them, [00:56:03] but I just, I'm trying to understand [00:56:07] where we're designed to. [00:56:09] Well, I think considering the point that at one time, [00:56:12] the St. Pete Times used to give away papers [00:56:14] when it wasn't sunny. [00:56:16] We live in a subtropical climate, [00:56:18] and yes, absolutely, people need to be responsible [00:56:21] to take care of themselves in terms of being out in the sun, [00:56:26] but if we have a boardwalk that, [00:56:31] and it's not just one or two days, [00:56:32] I mean, the element is there, the sun is there, [00:56:35] and I think if we can provide some shade, [00:56:36] perhaps not the entire boardwalk being shaded, [00:56:39] but I think that if we want people to use it, [00:56:43] that that would be something, [00:56:44] that would be a consideration, certainly. [00:56:47] I'm concerned we're getting down in the weeds. [00:56:49] We've gone through half a dozen pages [00:56:51] of a fairly long presentation, [00:56:53] and we've already been an hour. [00:56:55] If we can stick to talking about the numbers [00:56:57] and not SPF levels, I would appreciate it. [00:57:05] The next project is the Francis Avenue restroom upgrades [00:57:08] that you all are familiar with. [00:57:10] This includes the replacement of the existing restroom [00:57:13] and storage area and constructs a new one [00:57:16] with a compliant sidewalk, [00:57:20] and just other minor amenities as some landscaping. [00:57:25] Much needed, but it just blows my mind [00:57:26] that a bathroom at a park like that, [00:57:28] I mean, it's not like the size of Sims Park [00:57:30] is gonna cost 260. [00:57:31] I'm glad we're getting funding for it from CDBG, [00:57:34] but just sticker shock when you look at those numbers. [00:57:37] It's crazy. [00:57:40] Can you put an asterisk at the bottom of, [00:57:42] I don't care where you put it at, but. [00:57:44] Since we're talking just about the numbers, [00:57:46] I'd like to know what of these CIP numbers [00:57:50] is rollover from last year, [00:57:52] because if I look at just on the first page of the numbers, [00:57:56] it shows me a million nine to 25, [00:57:58] and there's not a page number on these new ones. [00:58:02] On the old ones, page 16, [00:58:05] but if you look down just that one line of items there, [00:58:09] that's a million nine to 25. [00:58:12] Our annual income we get from the penny for PASCO [00:58:15] is like 2.2 million. [00:58:21] And I know that Robert said some of it is carryover, [00:58:24] so I wanna make sure that we can at least speak to that. [00:58:33] We talked about this project a little bit earlier. [00:58:37] It does call out for electrical upgrades, [00:58:39] drainage improvements, fence removal, [00:58:42] and replacement where needed. [00:58:45] The majority of the fence is in good shape, [00:58:46] but most of the gates are all rusted, [00:58:49] and there are some areas that need to be replaced. [00:58:52] And it calls for the resurfacing of the courts [00:58:56] and striping of the existing parking lot. [00:59:01] We should know probably within the next month or two [00:59:05] exactly what's gonna happen [00:59:07] as far as what those soil boring tests tell us. [00:59:13] So the striping of the parking lot for the tennis courts [00:59:16] wasn't in the million eight we're doing [00:59:19] for the remainder of the rec center? [00:59:21] No, sir. [00:59:22] All right. [00:59:28] These are some improvements to the Jasmine Drive Park. [00:59:34] It's a little neighborhood pocket park. [00:59:38] Includes the sidewalk with bench swings, [00:59:41] trash receptacles, tables, and chairs. [00:59:44] This first phase here would include the design [00:59:48] and landscape improvements around the area. [00:59:58] This is the central fire station. [01:00:00] location, basically we're... [01:00:05] Are we going to carry over on these funds too next year? Some part of it? [01:00:09] Well, since we didn't actually receive the loan yet, it's basically, it's... [01:00:15] No, not that. I mean, during fiscal year 17-18, we'll design, acquisition, and whatever part [01:00:27] of this $1.2 million, I'm assuming that it's going to be utilized sometime in that 12-month [01:00:33] time period. Or is there going to be carryover of some of those into 18-19? I see you got [01:00:42] 800 going over there, but we haven't finished the consultant report that I'm aware of. We [01:00:50] don't have viable drawings, we don't... I mean, you know, and just the staging of it, [01:00:56] I'm just... And then, of course, you know, the USDA loan's been out there for two years, [01:01:04] I believe it's been in place, so... [01:01:05] Mange, do you have a time frame for this? Makes some sense. [01:01:11] I don't have a specific time frame, but I'm understanding from discussions that I've had [01:01:18] with all of you that it's a priority that we bring the project to closure one way or another, [01:01:23] so my expectation is that we will be having some discussions on it in the very near future. [01:01:28] Before we get on any more discussion, real quick, I know we're skipping over some things that are [01:01:33] like two years out, but if you could, Ms. Mance, I drive by the Grand Boulevard Park every morning [01:01:37] now to take my kids to school, and every morning there's vagrants out there under the shade [01:01:42] structure by the river with their backpacks and everything, and it leads me to believe [01:01:47] they're in there in the morning to use the restroom to take care of their sanitation duties. [01:01:51] I don't know why else they would be there every morning, it's not hot out, [01:01:53] so if we could just ask our police department to patrol that area, [01:01:58] and we're looking at putting, you know, two years out, another $200,000 into the restrooms, [01:02:03] it's just such a deterrent for a public that works hard and pays taxes to have vagrants [01:02:09] sitting in our park using our restrooms to brush their teeth in the morning. [01:02:11] Thank you. [01:02:16] To follow up with your question, Councilman Phillips, [01:02:24] the construction phase of this project would probably be where the carryover would occur. [01:02:32] And that's all loan funds, all loan funds, and the loan funds do cover planning, site acquisition... [01:02:48] Yes, those are all eligible expenditures. [01:02:50] So there wouldn't be a siphoning of funds from another area to... [01:02:56] You might have to pay them up front out of somewhere else and be reimbursed, [01:03:00] but basically all the money is out of this 2% loan or 2.5% loan. [01:03:07] That's what I remember the rate to be, okay, all right. [01:03:10] This is the Sims Park boat ramp improvements. [01:03:19] This project actually is probably going to be done in one or two phases. [01:03:25] This first phase that will occur in fiscal year 17-18 will be the installation of the boat lift for the PD boat, [01:03:34] would be the design and installation. [01:03:38] I just have a question there. [01:03:40] There's a lot of money there, and I remember in the past that we couldn't limit it to use to just the city residents. [01:03:49] So is there county monies available to this, or state monies available to this? [01:03:55] I'm not aware of any funding that would be available for this project. [01:04:01] I'm just saying that they say we can't restrict it to city residents, so we can't give stickers to use them so anybody can use it. [01:04:09] So there must be some way that we can get some county money or state money to help. [01:04:15] We will investigate and determine if there is access to some county or some state funding. [01:04:21] It's a great point. [01:04:22] The only county boat ramps are on the county line at Pinellas and Pasco, at the Anquo boat ramp, and in Hudson, right? [01:04:28] Am I missing any? [01:04:29] What's the rule at New Port Richey? [01:04:31] It's the same thing. [01:04:32] Anyone can use it, but there's nowhere to park in New Port Richey. [01:04:34] Now they only allow you to park with your boat trailer, so there's like, I think, 20 spots. [01:04:38] Yeah, but then they have opened the lot across the street. [01:04:43] They do students on there. [01:04:44] Anyhow, that's my point. [01:04:46] That's a good point. [01:04:48] Whatever portion you want to do, I'd just carve it out. [01:04:51] Personally, I'd send it over to the tourist tax dollar people and say, hey, we're viable for the tourist industry here, and we don't get any play anywhere else from them. [01:05:00] Every time we ask them, it's like... [01:05:02] And of course, they raised the fee. [01:05:05] They doubled the bed-to-bed tax fee. [01:05:08] So they can pay for their improved property. [01:05:14] But if we don't ask them over and over again for $15,000, $20,000, because we are providing that tourist service because of our boat ramp in downtown New Port Richey. [01:05:32] We'll follow up on that. [01:05:34] This next project is the seawall stabilization phase one portion, which will be located at the Sims Park seawall. [01:05:46] And that implements the seawall condition assessment report that was presented to you earlier this year. [01:05:54] Is that the portion of the seawall that we're talking about, or just showing us a picture of a seawall? [01:06:01] Portion of the seawall. [01:06:03] There you go. [01:06:03] They pretty much look... [01:06:04] They're in the same shape. [01:06:06] And that seawall stabilization didn't have anything to do with the dock rebuilding that we did in the park a year and a half ago? [01:06:14] Well, it does and it doesn't. [01:06:16] We have rehabilitated those areas. [01:06:20] So we've identified the areas that we need to do. [01:06:24] And so we'll be repairing everything around those areas that were already repaired. [01:06:31] Does this include the area that we were looking at just a few weeks ago? [01:06:35] I think by the Jasmine Lake Park. [01:06:39] Not in phase one, is it? [01:06:41] Not in phase one, no ma'am. [01:06:43] The Jasmine Park one I thought was somewhere in two or early three. [01:06:47] Is that what you remember, Jeff? [01:06:49] Is that what you remember from that report? [01:06:50] It was in the latter. [01:06:51] It was in the latter portion, right. [01:06:56] So this is not talking about those seawalls? [01:07:00] This is talking about the seawall that goes the whole length of Sims Park. [01:07:12] This next project is the Main Street Bridge Improvements. [01:07:17] It's the installation of an eight foot sidewalk at the northwest corner of the bridge connecting Sims Park boat ramp, restrooms and shelters and seawalls. [01:07:26] That's that area that we have historically get the complaints from the heavy pedestrian traffic that will walk down that side ramp. [01:07:35] It's on the northwest corner side. [01:07:43] Correct. [01:07:44] What are we doing, just putting like nice paver stairs up or? [01:07:47] We're going to have to do it handicap compliant. [01:07:49] So it probably would be kind of like a diagonal and then back down to get down that hump because you couldn't go straight down because the slope, the grade would be too steep. [01:08:00] I understand that, but that's so much more money. [01:08:02] I mean, my dad's in a wheelchair, so I'm very, very in tune with the handicap compliance. [01:08:06] But they can just go another 40 feet around the Chamber of Commerce. [01:08:11] I mean. [01:08:12] Well, and we could do that too. [01:08:15] We could do that as well, but it would be in the design phase of it. [01:08:19] We would have the consultant give us input on what they thought would be the most valued engineering process. [01:08:27] I understand if it's a quarter mile down the road and they have to go, I mean, it's 50 feet. [01:08:32] Right. [01:08:32] It's very similar to the rec center, but you have to traverse up that out of the parking lot. [01:08:41] You have to go way down to come back around. [01:08:43] I just don't see why we need that going down the hill right by the river when they can go 50 feet if you're in a wheelchair. [01:08:48] We widen the sidewalk in front of the chamber and come right around. [01:08:53] I can see the opportunity for youngsters to have some fun in that area, and it's an invitation. [01:09:04] I don't know, just check with engineering. [01:09:05] It just seems like an awful lot of money to build a crisscross ramp there on the side of the hill when they can go another 40 or 50 feet in a wheelchair. [01:09:17] Additional amenities to this project includes the removal of the existing benches and the installation of teardrop LED lighting. [01:09:29] It also includes LED underbelly of the bridge installation, large planters to go on the decorative benches that would replace the concrete benches. [01:09:43] The funding. [01:09:44] Can you show in the funding, because Jeff mentioned it last week, about whatever that GoFundMe page was? [01:09:51] The GoFundMe page we're raising a day and a half for the lighting. [01:09:54] Right, and so our concept would be that we make contact, like you had requested, with those people and ask if those funds could be utilized for the portion of the LEDs. [01:10:06] And we could include that in this project. [01:10:08] And it would be similar to what we did with the flagpoles. [01:10:12] That was part of the Sims Park Phase 2 project. [01:10:15] We went ahead, put it in, and then the American Legion sat down and they gave us a check. [01:10:20] I'm sure they're going to hand it right over once we're ready to go on it. [01:10:23] So that's what we would look at. [01:10:25] Because we've tried to work cooperatively with them, but the permitting process, the bridge is owned by the county, so the permitting process is pretty strenuous to where it would probably be easier on everyone if the city took the lead, incorporated it into a project, the county reviews it, gives its approval, and then we just do the process where we get those funds through a donation. [01:10:50] After the fact. [01:10:52] Correct. [01:11:01] This is the facilities renovation and upgrades. [01:11:05] This includes the replacement of the existing wall glass that we talked about recently at the last council meeting, I believe it is. [01:11:13] It also includes upgrades, which would be repurposing of several rooms and interior painting of the library and a needs assessment so that we could determine whether or not the existing space meets the criteria for the residents that utilize the library or not, or whether or not we do indeed need to expand the library itself. [01:11:39] Can you clean up your descriptions in that particular narrative? [01:11:46] Colon and then put the city hall and then library, because there's some, when it says repurposing of several rooms and office space, I think of city hall as opposed to library space. [01:12:03] And if you can be site-specific about what the facility improvements are, it's just easier for people to understand, like me. [01:12:21] We have been talking about this project for many years as well, so we plan on completing it this year. [01:12:29] This will be the dredging of the lake and then the installation of a CDS unit that will trap the sentiments to where we'll be able to clean the structure out and not have to dredge the lake. [01:12:42] That was one of the requirements of the grant. [01:12:45] Swift Mud wanted to see some type of filtration before they would give money for dredging. [01:12:51] It would also include planning of littoral shelves, modification of the existing outfall that we have on the west side of the lake to install some flood gates to where, [01:13:04] an example would be if we knew a tropical storm or hurricane was coming, that we could go ahead and lower the lake a couple inches and be prepared. [01:13:14] Or if we saw the lake rising at a fast rate, we would be able to open those gates and get a little more water out. [01:13:22] And then it would also include a diffuser system that basically would, the lake in the center is about 17 feet and there's a few areas that what we call, we have dead spots where there's no oxygen. [01:13:35] And so a diffusion system is similar to an aquarium where you have that air blowing in there and it kind of blends all that water in. [01:13:44] And so the idea is to improve the water quality. [01:13:50] Robert, one of the things that one of my constituents has suggested, and I'll toss it out, she had suggested that it would be nice as we're doing all this stuff, [01:14:01] if we could incorporate a color wheel into the lighting that lights up the fountain in the middle. [01:14:09] So if that's not horribly expensive, it might be, it would be nice to give it some color changes over time. [01:14:16] Yeah, we can look into that. [01:14:17] I know that it also calls out for the two boardwalks that are going to be completed, that's part of that SimSpark phase two portion. [01:14:27] And we've also looked at having some LED lighting go underneath the bottom of the decking to where you'd be able to change the color of the lake as well. [01:14:36] So we could look into the wheel. [01:14:38] So it is two boardwalks because the way that the description reads, educational boardwalks, [01:14:44] I'm assuming, I remember seeing the original plan, it had two in it, one on each, one on the east and west side. [01:14:52] Okay, if you can just clarify. [01:14:53] Correct, we can change some of that language. [01:14:56] Would it continue to include that large round? [01:15:00] We're going to try to cover that up. [01:15:07] I have it on good authority. The kids like that as a way to run and jump into the light. [01:15:14] This project is the downtown parking structure. [01:15:20] And currently we are in the middle of a parking study [01:15:25] to kind of give us some input on the condition of parking downtown. [01:15:30] And this portion here is for the site acquisition. [01:15:35] 50 grand? [01:15:40] Do you have an ETA on the study? [01:15:43] Yes, our expectation is that it will be complete about the middle of September. [01:15:48] Correct. I believe the first week in September we will be doing a weekend count and a night count during that week. [01:15:57] And then the consultant will have a few weeks after that to be able to give us the final report. [01:16:02] Right now we're currently in. We started today. [01:16:06] And let's see, tomorrow, Wednesday and Thursday, we'll be doing the counts in the morning and then in the afternoon for the weekday counts. [01:16:15] Are you going to do it on the night that we have a movie night? [01:16:18] We're going to do a weekend where the theater has one of their plays. [01:16:23] And so we know that we're going to have more than usual traffic downtown taken into consideration. [01:16:30] And it includes private parking lots as well. [01:16:33] Are they going to extrapolate snowbird season into this with any kind of historical? [01:16:37] Or any kind of a model? [01:16:41] Because obviously if you do it now, it obviously is lower than when we get from October through April. [01:16:51] So I just want to see what kind of methodology they might use. [01:17:11] And this is the wayfinding sign upgrades. [01:17:16] This project is currently out to bid. [01:17:21] And we're expecting that we can get it started before the new year. [01:17:27] Yes. And the bids were received today, I believe. [01:17:31] Correct. They'll be opened up tomorrow. [01:17:37] This is the Grand Boulevard multi-use path phase one. [01:17:41] This is between Delaware Avenue south to the Grand Boulevard bridge. [01:17:47] Basically this is the same process that we've been looking at as far as trying to connect multi-use paths from the southern portion of town to the northern portion of town. [01:17:59] This phase takes the four lanes of Grand Boulevard and has the consultant take a look at it and what opportunities would be available to the city to be able to construct a multi-use path that would have several green areas to where people would be able to go. [01:18:15] joggers, pedestrians, bicyclists could stop and rest, maybe, you know, some shade trees and those types of things. [01:18:24] But it really gives us an opportunity to have an extra wide multi-use path there. [01:18:33] And then in addition to the design, they would also give us input as to how to be able to tie in south of the Grand Boulevard bridge and then down into the downtown area because the idea is you wouldn't want to construct a multi-use path in the downtown area. [01:18:48] And so what we'll end up doing is we'll have the design for that whole area. [01:18:55] south of the Grand Boulevard bridge and then down into the downtown area because the idea is you wouldn't want to construct a multi-use path in the downtown area because the idea is you wouldn't want to construct a multi-use path in the downtown area. [01:19:25] So that's basically how we're going to do it. [01:19:35] Are there any questions on the spreadsheet in this section? [01:19:43] The residents on Central were absolutely adamant when they came and spoke out against that project that we did not streetscape, especially the center of the road, all the way to Madison because several of them do not have driveways and they depend on that wide part of Central Avenue to park in front of their homes. [01:19:52] The residents on Central were absolutely adamant when they came and spoke out against that project that we did not streetscape, especially the center of the road, all the way to Madison because several of them do not have driveways and they depend on that wide part of Central Avenue to park in front of their homes. [01:20:02] The residents on Central were absolutely adamant when they came and spoke out against that project that we did not streetscape, especially the center of the road, all the way to Madison because several of them do not have driveways and they depend on that wide part of Central Avenue to park in front of their homes. [01:20:13] And I see here it says multi-use path extension Central Avenue circle Boulevard to Madison. [01:20:20] Are you looking to do streetscaping in the middle of the road all the way to Madison because they were adamant they wouldn't be able to park if that was the case? [01:20:28] We are looking at getting a consultant in that will sit down with council, the public, get that type of input, get with staff, and then before any of the amenities are called out or put into concrete in the design phase to where everybody would have their input and the residents that live on that street would weigh in heavily in the final decision and of course you all would be part of that decision. [01:20:43] They already did. I totally am in favor of the streetscaping between north and south sides of the project, but I mean there was more than one. They were just absolutely 100% adamant they didn't want streetscaping all the way to Madison because they said they wouldn't be able to park. [01:20:52] We can look into it and have another public hearing, but they're going to go ballistic from what I saw. [01:20:59] You might incorporate angle parking to stage it because it's so over-white. [01:21:06] I'm just bringing the point up. I'm just letting you know that was their biggest argument. [01:21:13] I don't know if you noticed, but last night I was out and I see that we have our four-way street. [01:21:19] There'll be many options. There'll be many times for them to come back, but also there is the ability, if they did angle parking up the way, they actually would pick up more parking than if they parked in the middle of the street. [01:21:50] Their sidewalks right now are under-designed. They're substandard. [01:21:59] We would be looking at widening sidewalks, putting pavers in, redoing the handicap ramps, those types of things. [01:22:06] Maybe some decorative LED lighting to where we can light that area up because we've heard a lot of input that they want more lighting. [01:22:12] Those are the types of things that we'd look at. [01:22:19] There are hardscaping elements that you can do as well to where if people don't like landscaped medians and raised medians, there's decorative bricks that go down the center that can help with traffic common. [01:22:30] A lot of different types of devices that are available today. [01:22:37] You're right. We heard them loud and clear. They're not in favor of a raised median. [01:22:44] The four-ways are fantastic. [01:22:51] The best move you made on East Grand from Congress to Rowan is by not finishing off where those brick pavers are at. [01:22:58] If you'd have put landscaping and stuff in that, I'm telling you. [01:23:06] Particularly the Jefferson Street intersection. [01:23:13] That's really nice. [01:23:18] If you're ever coming south on Jefferson, you get to Central. It's take your life into your own hands. [01:23:24] It's much better. [01:23:30] If we can swipe enough of the road to expand one of the sidewalks up to multi-use size, I think there's still plenty of room for on-street parking and everything else. [01:23:37] That's a huge street. [01:23:44] I was telling the mayor earlier that the striping that you see there is just temporary striping. [01:23:50] It's not on thermoplastic, so you'll really recognize a different look at it. [01:23:57] I think those folks are going to be really happy. [01:24:04] Our next section that we have is the water and sewer construction fund. [01:24:11] These projects typically stay the same. They're reoccurring. [01:24:17] I'm going to go through them here and then put them on this slide. [01:24:24] Let you take a look at them. If you have any questions about them or anything like that, then I can elaborate more on them. [01:24:31] Most of them, your miscellaneous right-of-way and facility irrigation expansion. [01:24:38] That's to have those funds available if we have to do any irrigation work. [01:24:44] That's your smoke testing and the continuation of the projects that we do and our lining ones that we have. [01:24:51] You're reclaiming potable water extensions. [01:24:58] Those are similar to the projects that we're doing in the Heights where we're extending the reclaim that we had installed. [01:25:05] Somebody's well goes out. Most of the time it's in the county, but if they're in our service area, we will extend water to them. [01:25:11] That's where we get those types of funds. [01:25:18] The rest of them we've talked about. [01:25:25] This one we've talked about several years and we're finally going to get this one underway. [01:25:32] This is one of the oldest buildings that we still operate out of. It is the fleet purchasing warehouse. [01:25:38] We're going to do a needs assessment and let us know exactly what we need to do to do upgrades to that building and storm harden it. [01:25:47] Once we get that needs assessment completed, then we'll do the design for the improvements. [01:25:54] The smart meter upgrades, we are hoping to complete this. [01:26:00] We have all the hard facilities in the ground now. [01:26:07] We're basically looking at doing the Tyler integration, the Sun Guard Tyler integrations with the software. [01:26:14] That should complete that this year. [01:26:21] How long do those units stay powered up? [01:26:27] It depends on your life. [01:26:34] This is our sewer utility improvement project that we have. [01:26:41] We've completed the design. [01:26:48] One of the main components here is to take that old lift station that's on Marine Parkway that's just right there on the edge of the road and relocate that over to a lot that we own. [01:26:54] The force main and sanitary gravity main replacements. [01:27:01] This is all going to be performed down in the south end of the city. [01:27:08] It's a continuation and the project is included in the utility master plan. [01:27:15] That concludes the utility portion. [01:27:21] If we could, why don't we take a five minute break. [01:27:39] On to the next section. [01:27:45] The next section is the community redevelopment agency. [01:27:52] This first project is the Hacienda hotel restoration. [01:27:59] This includes the work on the windows and doors and the historic patio and remaining entries. [01:28:06] The one that a bank street wall is to be replaced to replicate the original design of the Hacienda which was opened in 1927. [01:28:13] Can you just go ahead and itemize what those elements are when we go to public hearing two? [01:28:26] I know that we got state funds of 500 and we had a 250 match or whatever the breakout is because obviously there's another 100,000 in here. [01:28:33] If you could break that and then if you could make some asterisk reference to the friends of the Hacienda and the funds that they're raising. [01:28:52] I know that they've got their thermometer and big fundraiser this weekend but that dovetails into almost like we're doing on the bridge with that go fundraiser. [01:29:03] If somebody looks at this budget it looks like it's all us or all the citizens and all CRA. [01:29:10] That collaborativeness I think plays over but moreover I know that the friends of the Hacienda wanted to do some elements on the bank street side. [01:29:24] If this is the only document they picked up I'd like for them to understand that there is a collaborative nature in trying to move this. [01:29:33] And I see nothing else going out the next four years. [01:29:40] I don't know if you make a reference to remarketing the property or looking for a new developer or whatever because obviously we finished this. [01:29:53] I'm sure we're going to go apply for some additional funds but I would sure like the budget to be done. [01:30:00] The capital improvement budget to reflect that we're actively looking for [01:30:05] a development partner after we've had to collect almost 2.1 million dollars [01:30:12] reinvested in it. [01:30:17] And the railing thing that you're looking to do, it's not going to be [01:30:23] enclosure-like, it's just going to be like a faux fence. [01:30:28] I mean, it's going to be on two sides. [01:30:30] Bill, that's one my wife started twisting my arm about. [01:30:34] At the last couple of events, the boat show, Seafood Fest, was the [01:30:44] first one she noticed it at, but it was also during Main Street Blast. [01:30:50] What was happening, for lack of any sort of fencing on the perimeter of [01:30:55] Sims Park on the north side or the west side of the Hacienda, people [01:31:00] were driving up en masse into the park and parking on the grass. [01:31:05] On the grass area? [01:31:07] And the idea was to put a decorative fence somewhat like what we've got [01:31:11] around the playground to basically make it so that people can't drive [01:31:17] into the park to try to park there. [01:31:21] Yeah. [01:31:21] May I ask you a question on the Hacienda area if you want to answer [01:31:24] from there, unless Debbie might be able to. [01:31:26] I know it's not our fundraising event that they're doing on Saturday. [01:31:31] I know you're involved quite a bit, obviously, with it. [01:31:34] With some of the restaurants and possible developers that you've been [01:31:37] in contact with and just kind of been in their ear and getting as many [01:31:42] contacts in the industry as you can, did anyone at Friends of Hacienda [01:31:46] invite any of those types of people to the event? [01:31:50] Do you know? [01:31:53] It just makes sense to me to do so if there's someone that may be [01:31:55] somewhat interested. [01:31:56] I'm not asking for names. [01:32:00] I'm just... [01:32:02] No, they haven't. [01:32:04] Internally, we've been pursuing developers pretty consistently and [01:32:09] pretty aggressively. [01:32:11] And... [01:32:13] Our expectation is that we'll have a work session with you during the [01:32:19] month of September to brainstorm a little further on some concepts we [01:32:26] have, which would allow us to gain our hands on some additional funding [01:32:33] to implement the necessary improvements at the Hacienda. [01:32:39] Yeah. [01:32:40] But, no, there hasn't been... [01:32:44] There's been some general contractors that we've been reaching out to on [01:32:47] some of the smaller projects, such as the wall. [01:32:51] We've really been trying to engage them. [01:32:53] We've been reaching out through the Friends of the Hacienda to put us in [01:32:55] contact with them because with what we're seeing with D.O. [01:33:00] Porter, you know, going forward, I mean, we have... [01:33:03] Right now, where we're at on the grants is we have signed agreements with [01:33:08] Division of Historic Resources on both grants. [01:33:11] We've negotiated the architectural fees on the grant. [01:33:16] It will be taken at the council shortly. [01:33:19] And the architect will then go out to competitive bid on the two grant [01:33:23] proposals, and we've been working on the pricing of that. [01:33:27] And, for example, today, we've got... [01:33:29] You know, we've been basically trying to pull bids specifically on that wall. [01:33:33] And the Friends of the Hacienda are allocating $20,000 for that, and that [01:33:38] construction bid is $20,000, but we're focused more on the stucco work there, [01:33:43] and that bid's about $11,000 on that. [01:33:45] You're talking about the wall at the Bank Street entrance? [01:33:47] Yeah, the Bank Street wall, the historic wall. [01:33:49] That's a project we're working in combination with the Friends of the [01:33:51] Hacienda on. [01:33:54] I'm encouraged because I've... [01:33:56] With what I kind of see out there, I've been in discussion with some [01:34:00] potential individuals that have quite a bit of depth, but that's about as far as [01:34:07] I can go on that. [01:34:08] Good enough. [01:34:09] Thank you. [01:34:23] The next section that we have is the street improvement fund. [01:34:30] The first project is the 2014-15 street improvement. [01:34:35] This would be the first project if approved... [01:34:38] If councils approved the pavement management plan, this would be the first project that [01:34:42] staff would proceed with. [01:34:44] Some of the major collector streets that would be included would be Conger [01:34:48] Street and Madison Street. [01:34:51] The Rideau Park area, which is the industrial area that is north side of the city limits [01:35:01] just east of Conger Street, and then several other residential streets would be included. [01:35:08] How did that jump up in the priority, the industrial roadways? [01:35:19] Most of the roads over there are terrible. [01:35:22] Orchid Lake is falling apart, and then their construction is of a sub-caliber. [01:35:29] We have a real thin asphalt layer. [01:35:33] But it's not all city roads, right? [01:35:35] Some of those roads dovetail into county. [01:35:39] Orchid Lake connects to a county road, correct. [01:35:42] It's heavily traveled. [01:35:44] Our part of it is in really bad shape. [01:35:47] Maybe one of the worst ones in the city. [01:35:51] They tried to straighten out into Pine Hill years ago. [01:35:56] The sticker shock took it off the table. [01:36:04] And then this is the second project that we would begin. [01:36:08] We would start with the design, and once the design was complete, we estimate that we would [01:36:15] be able to get some of the construction started before we would overlap into the following year. [01:36:26] We've included the traffic sign upgrades to accent some of the multi-use trails and [01:36:36] some of the downtown improvements that we've done around Orange Lake, and we figured that [01:36:43] we'd incorporate these signs. [01:36:52] This is the streetscape improvements or streetscape expansion and multi-use trail. [01:36:59] This project is out to bid as we speak, and this is the improvements that we're anticipating [01:37:06] to do between Massachusetts south to Central Avenue. [01:37:11] It'll tie into the existing multi-use path that we just finished that goes to the rec [01:37:15] center down in front of the hospital and then over to Central Avenue. [01:37:27] This is a continuation of the neighborhood improvement projects that began several years [01:37:34] back and due to budget constraints, we've kind of missed the last few years. [01:37:40] We're going to try and incorporate some improvements into some of the identified areas or neighborhoods [01:37:46] that we see. [01:37:47] It would include where sidewalk gaps are identified, where there are areas that need additional [01:37:56] tree and landscaping, those type of amenities. [01:37:59] Are we doing our own reconnaissance on that, or are we asking for input from the residents? [01:38:07] We could do it both ways. [01:38:09] We have already had staff out there. [01:38:12] When we did our roadway needs assessment, our staff went out and identified a lot of [01:38:16] the areas that we have the gaps in and stuff, but we could have missed some. [01:38:28] This is our annual roadway striping program that we have in here, and we will be identifying [01:38:37] the areas in the future that are going to be striped so that we don't have a redundancy [01:38:42] where we're going to tear a road up the following year and we put new striping down the year [01:38:47] before that. [01:38:48] That roadway striping material has really deteriorated in its effectiveness because [01:38:55] of the products that they don't put in it any longer? [01:39:00] Your useful life on those is what, three or four years now when it used to be six or seven? [01:39:07] It used to be right around seven years that we'd get out of them, correct? [01:39:11] Now it's like the same thing when they do seal coating now, it lasts a year instead [01:39:17] of two or three years. [01:39:19] That's the only other thing that years out. [01:39:23] If we're doing striping and we're doing paving, I don't know that it would be advantageous [01:39:31] to us to look at to see what the new seal coat technologies are out there, because it [01:39:38] might allow you to do some things aesthetically, but it also might get you to push out a roadway [01:39:44] another couple of years for that. [01:39:49] It's a case study project, I understand Robert, but overall if you're able to extend that [01:39:54] useful life another two years, then you can do those more crucial roads in time. [01:40:01] In some ways it is aesthetic, just to bring it back up. [01:40:10] This is the LED crosswalk signage and lighting. [01:40:13] This would be installed where you see the existing bus stops in front of North Bay Hospital. [01:40:20] We've had several complaints, high traffic volumes there and vehicle traffic volumes, [01:40:27] but also pedestrians. [01:40:30] I've also had folks that have been fending my ear about wanting to see one of those at [01:40:35] the south end of the downtown on Grand, Bill Sett or perhaps blocks further south than that. [01:40:50] Very effective. [01:40:52] I used it this morning when I was going over to have coffee with the city manager. [01:40:56] You press the button and cars do stop most of the time. [01:41:00] Are we still on track with the one I talked to you about? [01:41:02] Yes, sir. [01:41:03] We're just waiting for it to come in. [01:41:04] I don't know the name of the parking lot. [01:41:13] It's just too many kids. [01:41:14] Actually, it was brought to my attention by the hot dog guy. [01:41:17] He says the kids are dragging behind and the parents are walking and people aren't stopping there. [01:41:24] You'd be sitting in the back of the room tonight. [01:41:30] Different hot dog guy? [01:41:31] Oh, no. [01:41:32] I think one of the items that was talked about was the person has seen a lot of kids that [01:41:39] are walking with their parents and they get three-quarters of the way across the street. [01:41:45] They drop something and before the parent can grab them, they turn around and go back [01:41:50] into the road to pick it up and that's when things can happen. [01:41:54] I do believe this one is going to serve its purpose. [01:41:57] That will actually be a really good place to have one, too. [01:42:01] Scary from what the hot dog guy said. [01:42:07] This project is the Alley Needs Assessment and Criteria Guideline Program. [01:42:13] This was discussed with council several times this year, especially with our pavement management [01:42:18] plan. [01:42:19] It was one of the things that the Citizens Advisory Committee had recommended and talked [01:42:25] about. [01:42:26] I know that some of the council members also said that they would like to see a needs assessment [01:42:30] done because of the topic. [01:42:32] We're hoping to get this thing started immediately and be able to do a workshop on it before [01:42:38] the year ends. [01:42:39] We're going to get some input from the people that have alleys behind their houses because [01:42:43] I know some of them are very interested in having them fixed up and others would prefer [01:42:48] not. [01:42:49] Correct. [01:42:50] Absolutely. [01:42:52] Our final slide and project is the Charging Station Program. [01:43:01] We are proposing to purchase three charging stations, install one at the rec center, one [01:43:07] over by Peace Hall, the northern end of Sims Park parking lot, and then over by the nearby [01:43:14] the library here at the City Hall parking complex and see how those things work out. [01:43:22] Depending on how they do depends on how we expand the program. [01:43:26] I know that the cost of them and the technology is affordable more and more each year. [01:43:35] All the studies that we've done, the information that's been supplied to us indicates that [01:43:42] these types of vehicles are going to grow more and more each year. [01:43:47] It is advantageous for the city to have that type of amenity for the public. [01:43:52] With these types of stations that we're talking about, you can recoup your cost as far as [01:43:59] what electricity is used. [01:44:01] Smart cars, golf carts, what's it for? [01:44:04] Smart cars. [01:44:05] I'd rather see it for golf carts first. [01:44:09] You can still tie in with the plug in there. [01:44:13] Typically these will have a 110, those are 240, but typically they'll have a 110 plug [01:44:18] on the bottom, so somebody with a cart. [01:44:23] One of our citizens actually came up to me the other day and he happens to work for a [01:44:29] company that does electrical stuff and was suggesting, because we've got power in all [01:44:35] the tree grates, that we ought to consider popping boxes up out of there and designating [01:44:42] a few of the downtown parking places specifically for golf carts and mark them as golf cart [01:44:49] charging areas. [01:44:52] I think, and Ms. Manns is going to talk to him, but we may manage to get them to do that [01:44:59] as a donation. [01:45:00] and so it doesn't even cost us anything [01:45:01] other than saying we'd like to have them. [01:45:03] No, that sounds like a good idea. [01:45:04] I just want to be sure it's not just people [01:45:07] who use them for cell phones and things like that. [01:45:09] Honestly, I can only imagine what that visual would be like. [01:45:15] Folks using the charging stations back behind. [01:45:23] I'd like to make a suggestion. [01:45:26] I think we should contact the Tesla company. [01:45:30] I mean, they put their units in. [01:45:33] We did. [01:45:35] And there are several. [01:45:37] They will give them to you for free, but nothing's free. [01:45:40] And when we did the formula, we would end up [01:45:43] having to give up a minimum 12 spaces [01:45:46] and reserve them for Teslas. [01:45:48] The reason I say that, I've had people in the community [01:45:52] contact me to say that they're just waiting for them [01:45:54] to come in because they are purchasing Teslas. [01:45:57] Yeah, these will run. [01:46:01] The Teslas can hook up to these as well, so yeah. [01:46:05] Yeah, Tesla uses a different hookup [01:46:08] than most of the rest ones. [01:46:10] There's a couple other cars that will use the same ones, [01:46:14] but typically you have to have a universal plug [01:46:17] if you're using the Tesla one. [01:46:18] One of my friends has a Tesla and he's got an adapter [01:46:22] that'll plug on the end of his connector cord [01:46:24] to plug into one of those. [01:46:26] What's the Tesla sell for? [01:46:28] New ones that are coming out, they're around 35 [01:46:31] that they're pushing those. [01:46:33] So they're affordable. [01:46:36] Well, these are the lower ends [01:46:37] that they're coming out with now. [01:46:39] But what's happening, I mean, I don't know [01:46:40] what Florida is doing, but California [01:46:44] is giving incredible rebates back to people just to... [01:46:49] Florida's not doing any. [01:46:51] I've been looking. [01:46:54] The Tesla Model 3, if you could get it, [01:46:58] starts at 35, but there's a year and a half [01:47:01] plus a waiting list. [01:47:02] Chevy Bolt, and they are as close [01:47:05] as Tarpon Chevy and Castriota at this point. [01:47:09] Those start at 35 to 40,000. [01:47:15] There is a new Nissan Leaf that's due out in two weeks. [01:47:20] It should be in the same similar range as far as mileage, [01:47:26] and they're probably gonna be down in the low 30s. [01:47:30] One of my friends just bought a Prius Prime, [01:47:36] and I have seen more plug-in cars [01:47:40] in the last two months than I can shake a stick at. [01:47:43] And please don't think I'm against the concept of it, [01:47:45] the charging stations. [01:47:46] By any means, I just wanna be sure [01:47:47] we're not putting charging stations in [01:47:49] before there's actually demand for them. [01:47:51] The demand's gonna be there [01:47:53] by the time we get them installed. [01:47:55] It's there, and one of the other good things [01:47:58] about this program is they also offer, [01:48:02] most of them do, and ChargePoint does, [01:48:05] where you get entered into their app on the phone. [01:48:09] And so if you have somebody that's traveling or something, [01:48:12] and they go in and they start looking [01:48:13] at where there's a charging station, [01:48:16] New Port Richey, well, let me go in here [01:48:18] and have lunch while the car's charging. [01:48:21] No, that's a good idea. [01:48:22] So, I mean, it has those types of benefits as well. [01:48:25] Transportation is just changing very quickly. [01:48:27] It is changing very quickly. [01:48:29] Ms. Manns and Ms. Feast, [01:48:33] you've got some corrections to make on the second page [01:48:36] due to the fact of the resolution or ordinance [01:48:40] that was passed two weeks ago [01:48:43] and reaffirmed at last council meeting. [01:48:47] You need to take off that any of the engineering [01:48:51] in 18-19, 19-20, 20-21, and 21-22, [01:48:58] unless council changes its mind, [01:49:02] you can't use any of that assessment money [01:49:06] for the engineering. [01:49:08] It was very clear that every dollar from the assessment [01:49:12] was gonna be used on the street. [01:49:15] That's the way that I understood that the motion was made [01:49:18] and that the second was made. [01:49:20] So, in all of those four years out, [01:49:24] you don't show it in the older one or in this calendar year, [01:49:28] but it was clear in that ordinance [01:49:32] or the motions and the seconds and the votes [01:49:35] that none of that assessment money [01:49:36] could be used for engineering. [01:49:38] It had to be all on the street and in construction. [01:49:43] That's the way that I understood it. [01:49:46] You may get Mr. Driscoll to reinterpret [01:49:48] that particular vote, [01:49:50] but you went off for about seven minutes [01:49:54] on the August 1st meeting to make sure that it was clear [01:49:58] that that assessment money was going all for construction. [01:50:03] I think Councilman Phillips is correct. [01:50:05] We probably need to make sure that the engineering stuff [01:50:11] is local option gas tax as opposed to that assessment [01:50:16] because Councilman Davis and I, [01:50:19] I think we're the ones that were pushing that. [01:50:22] And I think we all agreed very clearly [01:50:25] that the money that was gonna come out of the assessment [01:50:30] was gonna go to basically concrete and asphalt. [01:50:34] Was that, Councilman? [01:50:36] Okay. [01:50:37] So, yeah, if you're engineering, I would... [01:50:41] You could make an argument the other way, [01:50:43] but I would just use local option gas tax [01:50:45] for the engineering part. [01:50:51] Well, you know, and I know we have some people [01:50:54] from the public here, so I hope we're gonna [01:50:57] give them their turn in the barrel. [01:50:59] We've had two and a half hours. [01:51:05] Thank you for allowing us to present our first draft [01:51:08] of the capital improvement program to you. [01:51:13] We will do some additional work on it, [01:51:16] and you'll receive an updated copy. [01:51:19] Mr. Rivera, one other thing that, [01:51:21] when you're going back and looking at the sidewalk gaps, [01:51:25] I would also suggest including taking a look [01:51:30] at the really undersized sidewalks. [01:51:34] And an example I could give you of that [01:51:36] is the one that runs all up and down River Road [01:51:38] where you can't walk two people side by side [01:51:41] because it, I guess people were smaller back in the 20s, [01:51:44] but... [01:51:46] It's so gone close to the road. [01:51:47] And it is, and if there is some way we can put [01:51:50] River Road on a diet, narrow those traffic lanes [01:51:53] a little bit, and use the extra space [01:51:55] to get a real sidewalk put in, [01:51:59] that would solve multiple problems. [01:52:00] First of all, it would be safer to walk on the sidewalk, [01:52:03] and it would slow traffic down. [01:52:04] Sure, we'll take a look at it. [01:52:09] Anything else on your side? [01:52:11] We don't, Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. [01:52:13] We're prepared to respond to any additional questions [01:52:15] you may have on this. [01:52:16] Any questions before I open it up for public comments? [01:52:18] No, sir. [01:52:19] If anybody would like to talk, [01:52:21] you guys have been really patient sitting here [01:52:23] for the last couple hours. [01:52:27] I know this is a deadly, dull topic [01:52:30] to go through numbers like this, [01:52:32] but if anybody wants to say anything, please come on down. [01:52:35] Don't see anybody rushing, I don't see anybody rushing down, [01:52:41] so in that case, entertain a motion to adjourn. [01:52:44] Motion to adjourn. [01:52:45] Thank you.

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3. 3Adjournment