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   2017 Legislative Delegation Priorities

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   Council reviewed the City Manager's proposed 2017 legislative delegation priorities, ranking nine items including CRA home rule protection, transportation funding, communication services tax protection, impact fees, public records reform, firefighter cancer presumption (SB 158), public notice reform, public library funding, and project funding requests (US 19 pedestrian walkway at Marine Parkway, downtown parking garage, Grand Boulevard multi-use path). Council provided direction including adding Main Street/historic preservation funding, electric vehicle charging considerations, and tandem language on CRA neighborhood improvement districts/enterprise zones. Deputy Mayor Bill agreed to give the presentation at the Jan 18 delegation meeting at Sunlake High School.

   • direction:Council directed Deputy Mayor Bill to present the legislative priorities to the delegation on January 18 at Sunlake High School. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to add Main Street program / Department of Historic Preservation funding to the priorities list. (none)
   • direction:Council directed staff to add language tandeming CRA priorities with neighborhood improvement districts and enterprise zones. (none)

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   [00:00:17] is tonight's agenda, is the legislative delegation priorities. [00:00:23] My personal preference would be to keep it to one line, don't do anything stupid. [00:00:27] This stuff all looked pretty decent to me. [00:00:43] We need somebody that can do the presentation. [00:00:47] Bill, would you be willing to do that? [00:00:51] Yeah, I've done it for the last couple. [00:00:54] And you do a good job at it. [00:00:56] I'm not sure. [00:00:57] I'm not sure what the audience is going to be like this year, though. [00:01:00] It's going to be a little interesting. [00:01:02] There's a lot of new players on that. [00:01:04] And they've shifted around a little bit, so. [00:01:08] Particularly with my schedule is continuously [00:01:11] going to be up in the air for the next few weeks. [00:01:13] So if you could, that would really, I would appreciate it. [00:01:16] It's the 18th, right? [00:01:17] It is the 18th. [00:01:18] And it's like one to three, or one to four, or something like that? [00:01:22] One to five. [00:01:24] Judy would get a commitment for us on a specific time. [00:01:29] That's next Wednesday. [00:01:32] I'm definitely out anyway, because that's my mom's. [00:01:35] I'm good. [00:01:35] I can do that. [00:01:37] She goes to see the orthopedic surgeon again. [00:01:40] All right. [00:01:40] Thank you, Bill. [00:01:42] And we'll let you know what time. [00:01:44] And if you'll allow me to tag along with you, I'll do that as well. [00:01:47] Yeah, they've done it. [00:01:48] They've arranged it in the past. [00:01:50] But it all depended on which representative or senator's [00:02:00] main contact really understood trying to get you down [00:02:04] to like an hour, hour and a half. [00:02:06] So you didn't sit there for three hours. [00:02:10] I'm assuming it's at Sunlake Elements, or Sunlake? [00:02:17] Yes, Sunlake High School. [00:02:19] High school again? [00:02:20] OK. [00:02:20] All right. [00:02:21] The acoustics are funny in there, because you're on the basketball floor. [00:02:26] So yeah, the only, did we want to talk about any of these, Mayor? [00:02:34] I thought I'd introduce them, if that meets with your approval. [00:02:37] Yeah, I'd like to kind of go through, because I [00:02:40] have some of the historical things we've asked for in the past. [00:02:44] And then obviously, there's a couple other things that are coming up. [00:02:50] Go for it then. [00:02:52] All right, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, [00:02:55] I have in my communication to you on January 12th [00:03:01] laid out the 2017 legislative delegation priorities for your consideration. [00:03:09] Typically, they allow us, and correct me if I'm wrong, [00:03:14] Deputy Mayor, an opportunity to present perhaps top five priorities. [00:03:20] I have rank ordered what I believe are the city's most important issues [00:03:30] in the memorandum, and I'll go through them for you [00:03:33] and be prepared to respond to any specific questions that you might have. [00:03:38] And then the Mayor, the Deputy Mayor can ask more questions [00:03:44] if it's determined to be necessary. [00:03:46] I think the first thing we need to do in terms of legislative priorities [00:03:52] is to support legislation that improves city's use of community redevelopment [00:03:57] agencies to encourage new investment and effectively carry out [00:04:02] redevelopment and community revitalization. [00:04:07] CRAs are financing tools for economic development and job growth. [00:04:13] I think it's important that the tool be retained as one of home rule. [00:04:18] There have been a good number of efforts in recent years [00:04:21] by county governments to both interpret the provisions of the law [00:04:26] and to establish uncooperative postures in the creation [00:04:30] and expansion of districts. [00:04:34] I think that by employing home rule, we keep the focus on revitalizing [00:04:40] blight areas rather than minimizing a fight where the factors [00:04:45] are money and control. [00:04:49] I do not think it's in the state legislature's best interest [00:04:54] to support any effort to restrict the use of the tool, which requires us [00:04:59] to be flexible in terms of the advantages that we can yield [00:05:06] from a community redevelopment agency. [00:05:10] The second item that I've identified for your consideration [00:05:14] is transportation funding. [00:05:17] And specifically, I am asking that the state consider increased funding [00:05:21] sources with which to support local transportation projects. [00:05:27] Municipalities have limited revenue options [00:05:29] with which to fund transportation projects. [00:05:33] Transportation projects are frequently a catalyst for economic development. [00:05:39] Local governments all struggle to finance road improvements. [00:05:43] Our most reliable source of funding with which [00:05:46] to implement local road improvement projects [00:05:50] is the local option gas tax, which is a pass-through tax revenue. [00:05:56] And it's forecasted to decline in large part [00:06:01] because people are driving more fuel-efficient vehicles [00:06:05] and they're taking advantage of carpooling options. [00:06:09] So it is believed that additional state support [00:06:12] is needed to fund local improvement road projects. [00:06:18] The third item I've identified for your consideration [00:06:23] is the communication services tax and local business tax protection [00:06:29] revenue source. [00:06:31] It is generated from community services tax and local business tax. [00:06:37] And these funds are essential to providing local municipal service. [00:06:44] The 2000 Florida legislature restructured the taxes and fees [00:06:50] on telecommunications through what they referred to [00:06:53] as a communication services simplification act. [00:06:57] Kind of funny when you think about the title of it [00:07:00] and what they brought to the table along with it. [00:07:03] But in short, it's a municipal revenue sharing programs. [00:07:07] And it is a source where the funds can be used for any municipal purpose. [00:07:13] In the case of fifth school year 16, the city [00:07:16] received $651,000 in fees. [00:07:22] It is important that the city maintain a diversified revenue [00:07:25] base for its financial stability. [00:07:28] We very much support the continued ability to collect these fees. [00:07:37] The fourth item identified is impact fees and transportation concurrency. [00:07:43] The city is asking that the legislature oppose legislation [00:07:48] that restricts the local government's ability [00:07:50] to ensure that new developments fund the infrastructure [00:07:54] needs they create by ways of impact fees and transportation concurrency. [00:08:00] They are both methods used to ensure that new developments pay [00:08:04] for the infrastructure needs that they generate. [00:08:07] In recent years, bills have been filed to limit a local government's ability [00:08:11] to impose these type of fees. [00:08:15] And similar bills are expected in 2017. [00:08:20] I'm guessing it's going to affect the county more than us [00:08:23] from an impact fee standpoint. [00:08:27] It would, yes. [00:08:31] The next item that I have identified for your consideration [00:08:35] relates to public records. [00:08:37] And we are asking that the legislature advocate for public records [00:08:41] reform to disincentivize tactics designed [00:08:44] to generate violations of public records laws, [00:08:48] disrupt normal operations, and serve as a stage by which [00:08:52] to petition for attorney fees. [00:08:55] Although the city has not directly been involved [00:09:00] since chapter 119 of the Florida statutes [00:09:03] was adopted as it relates to public records laws, many of our neighbors [00:09:07] have. [00:09:09] We feel that it's time to establish sufficient standards [00:09:12] to minimize requests designed that are harassing in nature, [00:09:17] create a technical violation of the law, [00:09:20] or serve as a baiting gesture to achieve financial gain [00:09:24] rather than to assert a legitimate request for information. [00:09:30] The sixth item that I needed to identify so that we could have [00:09:35] a conversation about it is the firefighter cancer disability [00:09:39] presumption. [00:09:41] It is being advanced in the form of Senate Bill 158 by Latvala. [00:09:48] And we are interested in supporting legislation [00:09:51] that provides for a cancer disability presumption in respect [00:09:55] to limited types of cancer, which can be determined to have been [00:10:00] suffered in the line of duty. [00:10:02] I think those are important restrictions by which [00:10:07] to consider this legislation. [00:10:11] There is a study being conducted, which will not [00:10:14] be released until 2018, related to the incident of cancer [00:10:20] among firefighters. [00:10:23] The current legislation grandfathers in 41,500 firefighters [00:10:28] from having to pass a physical evaluation. [00:10:32] And therefore, based on the impact that this could have [00:10:38] on workers' compensation premiums and disability pension benefits, [00:10:43] I think it's best that they refine the scope of this [00:10:45] particular item before we go any further in advocating [00:10:51] for a much-needed benefit. [00:10:55] The seventh item is for effective public notice. [00:11:00] Currently, the law requires that the city establish public [00:11:07] notice in the form of newspaper advertising, and newspaper [00:11:12] advertising is presumed to be less effective than alternate [00:11:17] methods as identified in my writing to you, which include [00:11:22] direct mailings, physical postings of property, internet [00:11:27] postings and publications and government access television [00:11:30] channels. [00:11:32] During the 2016 fiscal year, the city spent in excess of $30,000 [00:11:38] on public notices. [00:11:42] And the rates have just been increased by the local newspaper [00:11:47] and that they know that we must rely on them for a source. [00:11:52] So we're asking for some reform in that respect. [00:11:57] Right. [00:12:02] Why they've had to increase their fees because there's a drop [00:12:05] in subscriptions. [00:12:06] Drop in subscriptions and advertising revenue. [00:12:09] And they're putting them in the B section. [00:12:12] Our latest ones showed up on the inside cover of the B section. [00:12:18] I don't even remember if it was a Sunday or one other day [00:12:21] of the week. [00:12:22] I mean, sometimes you don't even see them. [00:12:27] You just have to point back and say they were published. [00:12:32] Internet postings, probably the de facto standard. [00:12:38] They need to update the law to match the rules. [00:12:40] We need to ask them to consider that matter. [00:12:44] The eighth item that I have included for your consideration [00:12:52] is to advocate in support of additional state [00:12:55] aid to public libraries. [00:12:57] The amount of funding for public libraries [00:13:01] has dwindled since 2001. [00:13:04] The current source of library revenue [00:13:07] through state aid to public libraries [00:13:10] is less than $25,000 per year. [00:13:13] The appropriation package allows for $0.25 on every dollar spent. [00:13:19] So if the funding were increased at the state level, [00:13:23] the city would receive additional revenues. [00:13:26] Lastly, I thought that it was important to ask [00:13:30] for some funding to support projects. [00:13:35] And I identified three projects, a pedestrian walkway [00:13:39] over US Highway 19 at Marine Parkway. [00:13:42] We currently have $725,000. [00:13:47] $725,000 appropriated for that purpose. [00:13:51] We have $725,000. [00:13:54] We have a second grant application [00:13:56] that's pending for some additional funding [00:14:00] consideration. [00:14:01] But at this point, to establish a bridge [00:14:08] would probably be closer to $2.5 million. [00:14:11] So we have much work to do to fill that gap. [00:14:16] Also, a downtown parking garage and a multi-use path [00:14:20] on Grand Boulevard from Marine Parkway [00:14:22] to Delaware Avenue, which was a project that we proposed [00:14:26] last year but haven't been able to garner [00:14:28] any support for in terms of a fiscal commitment. [00:14:34] Personally, I think that parking garage is probably. [00:14:47] I appreciate the pedestrian walkway, particularly [00:14:49] in light of the number of people that have been killed on bikes. [00:14:56] At this point, on parking. [00:15:00] And I'm prepared to respond to any questions that you might have in relationship to the [00:15:10] slate of proposals that I've asked for you to consider. [00:15:14] One thing I would ask, in kind of a companion to the state aid to public libraries, for [00:15:22] us to help them address or understand the importance of them continuing to fund the [00:15:32] Department of Historic Preservation, specifically for the Main Street programs. [00:15:40] Across the state, it's important that that program is funded. [00:15:47] By the resources for the cities, historic cities, have the Main Street program in their cities. [00:15:57] And also, because they provide the resources and the expertise that the local... [00:16:04] Okay. [00:16:05] I would encourage them to revisit that. [00:16:07] I know historically they have continued to cut back on that when it has shown that Main Street programs, [00:16:17] specifically their activities, events, and cities that host events that are particular to... [00:16:25] It's the way the figures come down from the state. [00:16:37] And in light of the debacle with Visit Florida, I'd like to encourage them to potentially reallocate [00:16:44] some of the funding for Visit Florida to directly reallocate that money to cities that, again, host [00:16:53] and host well events and activities that attract tourists. [00:17:00] Cities who excel in hosting events know best what creates the kind of activities. [00:17:11] And... [00:17:15] Thanks for that. [00:17:17] And in terms of... [00:17:22] I guess it kind of goes with the transportation and also with the idea of the downtown parking garage and the multi-use. [00:17:30] But environmentally friendly, especially for electric cars, is something that I saw recently in my travels, [00:17:36] is a dedicated parking area, a public-private partnership with a corporate relationship [00:17:44] where they provide free electric for electric cars. [00:18:03] They're not going to get our TV anyway, but Polsmar has four of them. [00:18:07] And they charge a flat dollar for a charge. [00:18:11] The biggest problem with it, if you go to Polsmar, [00:18:17] there's just nothing to do in their downtown while you're waiting for your car to charge. [00:18:25] It's a ghost town. [00:18:27] They've got four of them, and we don't have any, and we've got some fairly exciting stuff going on. [00:18:32] Well, even in front of publics or that type of places where they will allocate spots for people that are shopping there, [00:18:45] or specifically in your downtown. [00:18:49] Anyway, I'm curious if there's no... in terms of environmentally friendly, that type of... [00:18:58] It would be worth looking at. [00:19:01] The charge point systems, the most common one, [00:19:08] actually collect money for people that are charging. [00:19:16] And they'll collect the money for you. [00:19:23] We probably ought to at least take a look at it. [00:19:26] Some other alternate charging stations that are out there. [00:19:32] Don't have the revenue collection site, but it's my perception at least that the units are less expensive. [00:19:41] Clipper Creek. [00:19:48] Fancy, but level two charging stations. [00:19:52] Not only when we get the parking garage, perhaps even before that. [00:20:03] Show that we're... [00:20:11] Charge point ones I think are several thousand dollars. [00:20:19] The units, the mid-range units that would be suitable for use in a public setting, six, seven hundred dollars. [00:20:31] Plus whatever the installation cost is for the... [00:20:38] That we are a golf cart friendly city now, and some of the golf carts are... [00:20:57] I don't necessarily need to beg the state for money to do that, but it just sort of... [00:21:05] If we get some money, particularly for the garage, it ought to have a couple of charging spots. [00:21:19] What do you think of this stuff? [00:21:23] I was just looking back at what we've approached them with over the last three or four years. [00:21:30] With regards to the CRA agency, we also in the past encouraged them to... [00:21:41] Continue to look at the creation of the neighborhood improvement districts in conjunction with enterprise zones, [00:21:48] but we haven't really taken any steps beyond what our CRA already does right now. [00:21:54] As opposed to concentrating in one area when obviously the neighborhood improvement areas along with the enterprise zones [00:22:09] might be a driving element as it deals with Marine Parkway, with the Marine District. [00:22:18] Obviously, the caveat with that comes back with a little bit of the brownfield conversations that we've had in the past. [00:22:30] People don't understand what a brownfield is. [00:22:34] They think it's all environmental in itself, but there's some other favorable tax positions it allows you to do. [00:22:44] If we're asking them to status quo on the CRA and leave most of the oversight for us up until 2030, [00:22:55] we ought to add a couple of caveats into that because obviously our CRA is much different than most cities [00:23:06] because ours is 99% of the overall city itself as opposed to most places where the CRA is. [00:23:15] It's much more confined to a business district or just a business district. [00:23:20] Mario, I asked you to come up. Do you have any thoughts on this? [00:23:24] There's a good point about the enterprise zones. [00:23:27] The city manager kind of brings that up. [00:23:31] I think the state's not that active in it anymore, but there's still a federal level on which we should consider on that. [00:23:37] That's important. [00:23:41] In regards to the CRA, it is an extremely valuable tool, particularly as the economic development director. [00:23:47] It allows me a lot more breadth in terms of trying to negotiate an arrangement for the bigger dollar investment capitals that come to the city. [00:23:56] I'm often in conversation with the city manager in terms of trying to work with some of that investment capital. [00:24:02] That's something that we have to look at quite a bit. [00:24:05] The city manager talks about the CRA having a degree of flexibility, [00:24:09] and there's provisions within that language that provide us that flexibility. [00:24:16] Again, the design of that is for a public-private partnership and government to be able to do that. [00:24:21] There have been many, many cases where we refer to that in terms of it's an extremely valuable tool going forward in time. [00:24:30] What we have is, as per the definition of CRA, is that we're dealing with census tracts that are significantly challenged. [00:24:38] And so the investment capital, when it comes to the city, is saying we need a specific rate of return on our investment. [00:24:47] But typically, though the demands are, and we see that in a recent report when we did the gift report, [00:24:52] that we do have a retail market demand here, but we need, as the city manager talked about, public investment to stimulate private investment. [00:25:00] And so that's something we're going to be looking at extremely close with this year in terms of the redrafting of the CRA, [00:25:06] and there's going to be active involvement, obviously, on council's part to have the language drafted that's of more benefit. [00:25:13] But there is a significant gap between a lot of the communities that we have within our city, [00:25:19] and that's what I look at is how can we close that gap. [00:25:26] And we talk quite about in terms of we have to do that. [00:25:35] Investment capital, then, is a way of basically when we're able to do that in terms of here's how we can manage this. [00:25:44] And obviously the Main Street Landing is a classic example how we're able to do that, particularly the large projects. [00:25:51] I would think the county would be interested in seconding that as well with their delegation because of the whole harbors. [00:26:02] Yeah, well, and the other is that a year ago we piggybacked on the CRA and the creations of the neighborhood improvement concept [00:26:11] because it had passed the Senate Community Affairs Committee at the time. [00:26:17] Obviously, everybody's looking to get reelected last year, so they did the minimal, and they did it so early in the year [00:26:27] and not the traditional time when they usually would go up. [00:26:31] Obviously, we had to see them in December last year because they were already up there towards this time of the year, [00:26:38] so they could get done and come back to their districts. [00:26:44] But because of and overall with our CRA is that we turned it into a debt service vehicle three years ago, three and a half years ago. [00:26:55] So the elements have to be looked at in conjunction with our existing CRA to bring it back to what is more of a traditional CRA setting [00:27:07] because the CRA allows the funds to be spent on a wider variety of needs and improvements, [00:27:20] including community policing and a whole series of other things that ad valorem dollars don't allow [00:27:27] because they're already dedicated to other sources. [00:27:30] About 45% of those are already pre-dedicated before we get a chance to say hello, [00:27:35] and I wish our other colleagues were here so we could drive that point home a little bit further [00:27:41] that you just can't go pull from pot A, pot B, and pot C [00:27:46] because you've got allocated ad valorem dollars that are already dedicated before they even hit the table, [00:27:52] before you even collect them, about 45% of those main dollars. [00:27:57] So I just want to make sure that if we can tandem the CRA [00:28:05] because I think from the delegation, I'm trying to remember the key players, [00:28:17] at least 80% of the people that are going to be on that group next week [00:28:25] either have been in state government oversight for a number of years [00:28:31] and or they came from the city side, Danny Burgess in particular. [00:28:39] So they understand the plight of the city. [00:28:43] So anything we can tandem with the CRA that allows that flexibility to create those zones [00:28:50] that allows you to target that money to raise property value, aesthetics, sense of pride, community feeling, [00:29:02] whatever it allows you to do to move your city forward [00:29:08] because the county's not going to give us a lot of time because they have other things. [00:29:15] But over and above that is the less we have to go to them [00:29:20] and the more we do on our own because we have the flexibility or the ability to do it, [00:29:26] the quicker we can respond and make things happen. [00:29:32] Because if we have to have permission from them and or from the state, we find ourselves bogged down. [00:29:40] I think an important thing to focus on and when considering CRA is I've had an extensive discussion with banking community [00:29:50] and things like that in terms of how we can do land assembly to deal with a lot of the old building stocks, [00:29:55] a lot of Marine Park where some of the real challenging parts of the neighborhood. [00:30:00] I think it's important to focus in on how the CRA from a legislative standpoint can [00:30:05] to broaden the language to further facilitate that from the banking side. [00:30:09] We've talked often about how we can take, you know, whole streets or whole blocks and [00:30:16] you know, but the challenge is how do you get there? [00:30:21] Can you look at the CRA legislation and see how it, because I haven't looked at it in [00:30:27] a long, long time, but see how it addresses acquisition or eminent domain powers? [00:30:36] Eminent domain specifically prohibited within the language of the CRA. [00:30:40] It was in there earlier, but there was probably, I'm familiar with a case in Connecticut where [00:30:45] they specifically lost that case, and so it's specifically written there from what I understand [00:30:50] is that as much as. [00:30:51] That was a pretty ugly case too as I recall. [00:30:54] Right. [00:30:55] Well it was, yeah. [00:30:56] And so they amended the CRA statute. [00:31:00] So but yeah, so because I know previously we had talked about either community improvement [00:31:07] districts, because obviously we have grant programs that we're doing on our own, but [00:31:13] if we had tools that would allow us to dedicate that and encourage them to continue to improve, [00:31:23] because we've asked about it four years in a row, their community development block grant [00:31:30] elements. [00:31:31] We want to make sure that we can, that allows you the flexibility there, and because once [00:31:41] you designate those areas, if there's three sourcing tools, including the state government, [00:31:48] then we get to the finish line quicker than incrementally coming out. [00:31:57] Regarding the transportation funding, I would slash and put stormwater drainage, only you [00:32:04] stick around because I'm sure there's a couple other things, but because we know the county [00:32:09] is going to be pushing hard, so we might as well get on somebody's coattail, because if [00:32:14] we do, and when we say transportation projects, I think we ought to just call it what it is. [00:32:25] Roadway improvements, safety elements, because I think when you use that broader term, transportation [00:32:32] projects, it gets kind of covered up, but if it's a duck and it quacks, then let's call [00:32:39] it that. [00:32:41] But anytime you do a roadway project, or resurfacing project, or a quality neighborhood [00:32:50] project like that, you have to bring in stormwater as an advent, because you have to displace [00:33:00] it now. [00:33:01] You can't just go out and put new asphalt in and say, wherever it flows, it flows, because [00:33:06] we create dynamics for the neighborhoods. [00:33:09] Part of the problem on Massachusetts Avenue, just west of Congress, is, yeah, it's a roadway [00:33:20] problem, but it's a drainage problem, so it's all wrapped up together. [00:33:26] You're absolutely right. [00:33:27] Again, it's just like 19, where you go one section of the city, then you cut out a little [00:33:33] enclave or a little cutout, and that's county, and then you come down a little bit further, [00:33:38] so you never know what is who you're ... Even if you go on the appraiser's website, it's [00:33:49] pretty good, but it's still not, and that's one of the things Jeff has always talked about, [00:33:54] that that'd be better defined. [00:33:57] If we're talking about transportation funding, we want to make sure that we get our fair [00:34:01] share of some of that stormwater improvement funds. [00:34:06] We fund it from a special category, but we also want to make sure that we do that. [00:34:13] Communications tax and the business protection, those continue to evolve only because of cell [00:34:21] phones and service elements from there. [00:34:26] It used to be fairly straightforward, but it's by and large, you're going ... [00:34:33] Yeah, they've gone kind of away, and then the city, in the past, had used those particular [00:34:40] revenue streams when we borrowed money in the past, and right now, those aren't encumbered. [00:34:50] They could be re-encumbered for some capital, along with some capital funding projects. [00:35:02] Impact fees are back. [00:35:03] Obviously, the county has mobility fees now. [00:35:06] I served on the impact fee committee for the county for about 13 years, and then they came [00:35:15] with the mobility fees, so better defining how we can relate those impact fees. [00:35:23] You talk about public records, the only problem that I see with having them police themselves [00:35:29] is about 80%, 85% of the state legislature are all attorneys, so it's like asking them [00:35:37] to take away a revenue stream, not them personally, but colleagues of theirs, but we do need to [00:35:44] make them aware of what the public record requirements are. [00:35:49] We have had a couple of cases where we have gotten harassment requests for public records. [00:35:58] Yeah, back in the animal control days, that was a trip down a memory lane we don't want [00:36:06] to have. [00:36:07] With regards to the firefighter disability, I think I agree that we need to have them [00:36:12] better define it, work it through the process, and I look at it because we've mentioned it. [00:36:18] It's usually been number two or number three in our presentation, at least over the last [00:36:26] four years, is we don't mind if you bring in initiatives and stuff, but don't do it [00:36:34] from an unfunded mandate perspective. [00:36:38] Don't tell me I have to abide by something, but don't give me a revenue stream to at least [00:36:44] absorb some of those costs. [00:36:47] Number two, at least the last two times around, is please recognize that we understand you [00:36:52] have a certain role to play, but creating different tasks and responsibilities and not [00:37:03] funding them, the unfunded mandate category is kind of where we come back to. [00:37:13] Effective public notice, we just need to make sure that they bring in these new platforms [00:37:18] so that we can at least drive that cost down, because obviously we're being, in some ways, [00:37:24] if we have to use the newspaper, we're kind of being held hostage to whatever rates they [00:37:28] come up with. [00:37:29] It is quite frankly a waste of money. [00:37:32] Then we have to prove a negative, because they say, well, I didn't see it, and so then [00:37:36] we have to task the clerk and the paper and bring it back and say that it was published [00:37:41] on this date and at this time, so we just need those terms. [00:37:48] State aid to the libraries, anything we can do, that's been an ongoing effort. [00:37:55] The historic preservation, obviously we've garnered heavily from being able to go to [00:38:00] those sources. [00:38:04] I just don't know that the legislature really understands what Main Streets are all about [00:38:09] anymore, because obviously with their initiatives, if they run out and they have an ongoing back [00:38:19] and forth about what the legislator thinks is appropriate and what the governor thinks [00:38:23] is appropriate, so those are some elements. [00:38:27] We haven't been privy to funding from those sources, because either we haven't attacked [00:38:33] it appropriately to understand how to get those dollars, and or if we can't even get [00:38:40] our own tourist development tax dollars to be reinvested locally, then I don't know if [00:38:50] we need to better identify how that is. [00:38:53] Councilman, in reviewing the whole situation, I've looked at the state language in regard [00:39:01] to that, and the challenge that we have with the TDD is that that language is such, quite [00:39:06] frankly, it's old language. [00:39:07] It talks about museums and convention centers, and our society has evolved quite a bit differently, [00:39:13] and I've looked at trying to capture those dollar values specifically for projects looking [00:39:17] at the city, and I think if we're dealing with the legislative agenda, I think it would [00:39:22] be good to try to compel the state to look at that language and open it up a little bit [00:39:26] more so cities such as ours can do those dollar grabs, but they're specific to sports [00:39:31] venues, and like the Hacienda is a classic example where we have to classify that as [00:39:37] a museum to grab dollars for that, and we think it's an extremely relevant project for [00:39:43] tourist development dollars, but when you go to the board, they interpret the state [00:39:48] statutes strictly, and so it's really easy to deny the grant fund request as a result [00:39:53] of that. [00:39:55] Your suggestion would be to say, look at the elements that you're identifying because if [00:40:03] all it said was a shopping mall, traditionally, they're not building malls anymore. [00:40:13] They're building community settings. [00:40:17] Now they have the housing above, the retail below, little park enclaves within them, so [00:40:27] they need to look at the language on how they identify things in that category so that it [00:40:35] opens it up to a broader ... They're not funding arenas and sports anymore because they can't [00:40:46] survive politically if they give that money. [00:40:50] It's an absolute money sink. [00:40:54] If you look at what St. Petersburg did with the trough, and what Tampa has done with the [00:41:04] stadium and some of this stuff, they're giving away the farm in seven and eight figure clumps. [00:41:11] They're not having a lot to show for it. [00:41:16] For example, it's measurement via bed days or something like that, and you'll have a [00:41:20] business owner try to pull those dollars like we have a hockey arena in town, and they try [00:41:26] to taste those dollars, but because they're forced to do their event in Innsbruck to some [00:41:31] degree, but it's just that the language, I think, probably needs to be looked at from [00:41:35] a progressive standpoint because they interpret it strictly, and the classic example is bed [00:41:42] days. [00:41:43] You explained to me a number of bed days, and I just think that in many, many cases, [00:41:49] if the language were a lot more freer or more brought up to date with current times in terms [00:41:54] of what municipalities are dealing with, we'll be able to have a stronger argument to pull [00:41:59] those dollars from that group. [00:42:00] I think one of the things, and perhaps I didn't ... well enough, but I think that it's important [00:42:10] as a city that we help the state legislatures understand the importance of the Department [00:42:15] of Historic Preservation in terms of not only the Main Street Program, but we have lots [00:42:21] of small cities that have historic downtowns that need to be preserved because to recreate [00:42:30] them would be more costly than to lose them. [00:42:36] The resources that they have through that department that they can share with the cities, [00:42:43] not necessarily that we're gaining dollars from them, but what is more valuable is the [00:42:48] resources that we can ... in terms of, as well, the historic dollars that can come through [00:42:58] for our, specifically, cities that have historic theaters or historic buildings. [00:43:05] Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's basically a shoestring budget operation up in Tallahassee [00:43:12] now, isn't it? [00:43:13] Well, it is, but I think that traditionally what I've seen is that they continue to shrink [00:43:20] that very minimal budget, and so the operation right now is one director and her assistant [00:43:30] ... process, and the thing is, it's not a lot of money that they need to expend, but [00:43:40] they need to preserve that program. [00:43:42] Because I think that it's ... and across states, not only Florida, but across the nation, it's [00:43:48] a national program, that it is, in basis, does a better job of preserving than having [00:43:55] to refund. [00:43:56] So I think that I would just like us to insert a comment to some degree to continue to allocate [00:44:04] monies for that program. [00:44:07] Thank you. [00:44:09] And then, obviously, the pedestrian walkover, that's going to be a multi-year process going [00:44:17] out there, and I know from ... in a conversation with the state senator, that his purview was [00:44:29] that it should have been requested at Main Street and not at Marine Parkway, but it is [00:44:36] what it is, I guess, at the moment, until they determine placement. [00:44:42] But the downtown parking garage, obviously, over the last six or seven months, is obviously [00:44:48] the prime thing, one of the top two priorities that we need to get out of the way of and [00:44:56] just go make happen in some ways. [00:45:00] and then the multi-use path, and then once again, we ought to continue to mention the [00:45:08] Great Preserve from an ecotourism element. [00:45:14] They were helpful in getting some of the properties and some of the dollars with Wilton Simpson [00:45:21] and others, but in tune that we are looking out for the environment because we do have [00:45:27] a few legislators that are very in tune to that. [00:45:31] It might be worth specifically thanking them for the support that they provide us in helping [00:45:36] make that possible. [00:45:38] Yeah, and then in looking at elements that we had talked about previously back in 14, [00:45:48] early 14 into 14 for 15, we had talked about reclaimed water expansion, and this is just, [00:46:03] we talked about marine district improvements, boat ramp parking, and these are just things [00:46:11] that we had come up with as a council in the past. [00:46:15] Global pension reform, I don't know if there's, I don't know what you're hearing about that. [00:46:20] Not much recently, but I do expect that it will be an agenda item this legislative session. [00:46:27] The other thing that we talked about was the city's ability to recoup actual costs for [00:46:31] blight removal, and I don't know if we tandem that with the CRA conversation. [00:46:39] I know that the county had money in Roman Gola's group, and then it phased away, or [00:46:45] if you need to do it under a CDBG grants, whatever, but as small cities, county's not [00:46:56] going to address it. [00:46:57] We need to address our own home rule issues, so I don't know if that adds another element, [00:47:05] and then over and above that was obviously the continued dollar allocation for the beautification [00:47:12] of US Highway 19. [00:47:17] These are things that we've touched upon year after year. [00:47:23] Like I said, you're going to have Wilton Simpson, who only has part of, doesn't have any of [00:47:30] Newport Ridge anymore, but has part of Pasco. [00:47:34] Jack Lapvala's coming back, and he knows the city very well. [00:47:40] You're going to have Danny Burgess. [00:47:42] You've got another rep over on the east side, then you've got Amber Mariano, who's got all [00:47:52] the city, and then you have Richard Corcoran. [00:47:59] I don't know. [00:48:02] I think he's working on a 10,000 foot elevation view, as opposed to a, as a speaker. [00:48:13] Although if we had his ear on this, he's actually the one that's in a position to probably make [00:48:24] things. [00:48:25] Yeah. [00:48:26] He's a long way from those. [00:48:29] Those are the things that we have previously brought to them. [00:48:36] We also had talked about the red light camera program. [00:48:39] That's going to take another big, there's going to be some big runs at that again this [00:48:42] year. [00:48:43] Good, bad, or indifferent, and then something to do from the accounting perspective on the [00:48:48] uniform chart of accounts. [00:48:50] Those were the major things that we had looked at previously. [00:48:56] I don't know that there's an enormous amount of excitement about the red light cameras [00:49:04] extending beyond whatever the contract termination. [00:49:09] Even if they sunset that, do we care? [00:49:13] No, I'm just saying that I'm hearing that there are bills coming out again that are [00:49:20] going to want to address that. [00:49:23] They've either had minimal traction, or no traction, and then of course previously we [00:49:29] had talked about some fire safety improvements within the city. [00:49:35] We have that addressed in our CIP at the moment, but again, but those are the things that we've [00:49:43] we have discussed and brought to them. [00:49:48] Your purview, city manager, was the top five, it was usually how many things you could hit [00:49:56] within three to three and a half minutes before you got gaveled away. [00:50:00] I think you might be able to hit more. [00:50:02] I don't know. [00:50:03] You get pretty nervous as soon as they give you the microphone, and depending on what's [00:50:09] going on. [00:50:10] I'm intending to learn from the master, so I will be attending along with him. [00:50:14] You get nervous, or they get nervous? [00:50:18] I don't think they really care. [00:50:19] I think they're there by design. [00:50:25] This year I'm anxious to see the interaction between them, because it's totally different. [00:50:31] We used to have Fasano, and Laig, and Wilton Simpson, and all those, and of course Amanda [00:50:40] Murphy who really had her thumb on the pulse of everything that was happening in the community [00:50:45] in the area. [00:50:47] There's that deer in the headlights, just like when you come on council, it's kind of [00:50:51] like it's all there, and you're trying to take as much in as you can, but we'll effectively [00:50:57] try to get them to focus on a few. [00:50:59] We'll have a handout that we'll give to them, and then after that, once they leave, it's [00:51:07] really about us lobbying effectively individually with them, but they are headed up there relatively [00:51:16] soon, well I guess in March of this year, March-April. [00:51:21] Will you be able to share what you're sending so that we are aware? [00:51:27] We can email it around on Tuesday, late Tuesday, Wednesday morning, so you'll know what we're [00:51:32] going to be, kind of the order and the layout. [00:51:35] And we appreciate, I'm saying that collectively, for representing us, because I too am unable [00:51:41] to do that. [00:51:42] Well, it's always an honor to go and talk about the city. [00:51:47] It's always nice to talk proudly about our city, and the majority in the last couple [00:51:54] of years have been able to say thank you a lot to them, because they really have brought [00:51:58] some things back. [00:52:00] Mario, anything else from the... [00:52:04] I have a chance to catch Senator Simpson informally. [00:52:10] Tell him how thrilled all of us are to see how successful his new picture is. [00:52:17] That was going to be one of the side things of, you know, thank you for the Hacienda, [00:52:24] which allowed the ability to someone to come in and actually do new construction in downtown [00:52:33] New Port Richey and put a new sports bar, Bifo Brady's. [00:52:40] You asked me a question. [00:52:41] I think in terms of those two grants that we have sitting up there, I think they were [00:52:44] sitting pretty good on those grants, but I think it would be important to make sure [00:52:48] that we keep an eye on them, because they've scored very high. [00:52:51] The special category grant has scored eighth out of 51 projects. [00:52:56] And to your comment there, what happens is that we've qualified those grants, and they [00:53:01] submit for all the qualified grants for funding, and then they pay them down from top to bottom. [00:53:06] The small matching grant is $100,000, but there's three categories there. [00:53:11] One's education, there's another bulk, and then we're down in the third category, which [00:53:15] is development again, but that ask is only $2.6 million. [00:53:21] And so we're ranked, I think, seventh out of that group, but they have to go through [00:53:25] the first two groups to get to the third group in the small matching. [00:53:28] And I think it's just important that our legislators understand that we have two grant [00:53:33] applications there. [00:53:35] When the applications were processed, there were no errors whatsoever. [00:53:40] You just never know, and it's always good to kind of make that point. [00:53:43] Yeah, we always let them know of all of our grants that are pending. [00:53:48] I'm a little concerned, because sometimes they back away, because they say, [00:53:55] well, you've got BP money that's coming in, or you've got some other sources of revenue. [00:54:02] I've seen that BP money. [00:54:04] It's supposed to be released this month. [00:54:08] $100,000 we've been waiting a year for. [00:54:14] Oh, more than that. [00:54:18] And they just – was it last month? [00:54:22] They just categorized all of the other projects? [00:54:25] Yes. [00:54:27] Mary, to refresh my memory, the business owner grant program, what all does that cover? [00:54:36] Several different grant programs, Mary. [00:54:39] Go ahead. [00:54:43] Basically, we have business façade, and there's two components to that façade, [00:54:51] where the existing property owner can apply for a 50% matching grant. [00:54:57] And then for the vacant properties, the potential tenant, should they sign a two-year lease, [00:55:02] can apply for a 75% match for the façade. [00:55:05] And the same thing for leasehold improvement. [00:55:08] And the reason why I emphasize leasehold improvement, [00:55:10] because a lot of our small business owners are relatively new to the challenges [00:55:14] that they would have in any form of government to try to get up and running. [00:55:18] So that is to help bring a lot of those properties up to grade. [00:55:23] That's been a very beneficial program. [00:55:25] We've put – SIPS is a classic example. [00:55:28] We've put a second bathroom in and things like that. [00:55:30] So that's the leasehold improvement grant. [00:55:33] And then we have a third one for the actual property owners, [00:55:37] as you see that Nettus building got painted. [00:55:39] Mr. DeLuca has enjoyed that grant application to make the improvements he's had there. [00:55:44] So that's currently what we have on the books right now. [00:55:47] And there's the second-story residential. [00:55:49] Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:55:51] And I think we have one business looking at that rather closely [00:55:55] that's trying to achieve that goal also. [00:55:58] Leasehold improvements would include a charging station? [00:56:01] Pardon me? [00:56:02] Leasehold improvements include a charging station? [00:56:04] Yeah. [00:56:05] What we're finding out in the grant application is that a lot of the properties [00:56:10] are in dire need of repair. [00:56:12] So a lot of times we'll get a prospective business, an existing business owner, [00:56:16] and say, my water line's the problem. [00:56:18] That's what I need. [00:56:20] And a charging station we would consider on the FASA program. [00:56:26] But sometimes we look at the leasehold improvement program. [00:56:29] Some businesses have customer space outside, and so we look at that. [00:56:35] But that would certainly come in. [00:56:37] I might answer your question about the charging station. [00:56:40] It would be nice if Christina's would put a new sign over their front area. [00:56:45] We did have an application with them. [00:56:47] Well, I'm just saying that when I go by, I see their menu, their sandwich board outside, [00:56:54] but I look up, and if you didn't know that was Christina's, [00:56:58] I don't know how you would identify it. [00:57:00] And just because Mr. Bell-Thomas and I haven't been at the same meetings [00:57:07] off and on for the last month, I did run into our development director [00:57:13] in the hallway on Tuesday, and the project that you mentioned [00:57:20] that was near and dear to your heart by April of 18, [00:57:25] I understand that we have submitted our – [00:57:27] the city has submitted their comments back on their permit applications earlier this week. [00:57:34] So they'll come back, and I'm told that it's within a 30-day time period [00:57:41] that hopefully the permit would be issued for Main Street landings. [00:57:46] Because obviously – [00:57:48] It's not an arm ball. [00:57:49] Well, it was, and we just put it back into theirs because they – [00:57:54] obviously the size of the project and the multiple parts to it, [00:58:01] especially building the new building in the back and all those other things. [00:58:05] So obviously that's the process. [00:58:08] But I wanted you to – from what I heard, we've put the ball back in their court, [00:58:13] and now we're waiting so we can get to the point of agreeing on everything for the permit. [00:58:19] There will be ribbon-cutting of sorts prior to April 16th, I think. [00:58:25] Whatever it is. [00:58:26] There will be. We promise you. [00:58:29] We're getting close. [00:58:30] Not that I'm counting the days, just aware of it. [00:58:35] Okay. [00:58:36] I think you've got your marching orders. [00:58:38] Yeah, I think – yeah, we've done this a couple times, [00:58:40] and I'm sure the manager and I will spend a half hour, 45 minutes, [00:58:45] to line stuff out and then put it on a – [00:58:49] Once again, I personally appreciate you stepping up to do this. [00:58:53] Like I said, it's always nice to go brag on New Port Richey to people that sometimes – [00:59:00] and, of course, now that the paper doesn't cover us as extensively. [00:59:04] Carl Orr's done a nice job in the Suncoast News, [00:59:07] but the Pasco Times has just become a Friday catch-all. [00:59:15] It's disappointing, and obviously there's a lot of other elements that are going on. [00:59:21] Even the Suncoast News is sometimes getting stuff really scrambled. [00:59:30] Personally, it was only about so big this last week [00:59:34] that it was talking about the massive protests at the discussion of the rec center. [00:59:46] I'm wondering, did the reporter watch the same meeting that I did? [00:59:52] We lived it. [00:59:56] But that's the main thing. [01:00:00] Let Mr. Davis know that we missed him. [01:00:02] We anticipated that he was supposed to be here, because I know we moved things around, [01:00:06] but you know, it would have been unfortunate for you, Mr. Mayor, on Tuesday and stuff, [01:00:14] because with your mom and everything, but you know, making special arrangements to do [01:00:19] certain things and then making them for people that are supposed to be here and don't come, [01:00:26] I'm just, like I said, we all have busy lives, and I just want to make sure that when we [01:00:35] do make our calendars match up, that everybody does all they can, because we'll come back [01:00:43] at a meeting a month from now, and stuff that we've talked about tonight, well, you know, [01:00:49] and I didn't know we were talking about that, or we didn't know you covered it, and you [01:00:53] know, we've spent a lot of time, and just like we did all through the budget process, [01:00:59] and I'm not anxious about going back through that endeavor either, because we spent a lot [01:01:04] of time, and if you missed the meetings, you either need to watch it, take your notes, [01:01:09] be ready to participate, but you know, budgets and capital projects, to me, are not something [01:01:19] that we spend year-round going over and over again, and then come up on them and try to [01:01:26] figure out, you know, you do, as we all, at least in my perspective, you map a plan, you [01:01:33] let the horse run for a while, or the car, you drive the car, you decide if that's the [01:01:39] roadway and the lane of traffic you want to be in, so. [01:01:43] I've got no desire to revisit budget season again in January. [01:01:48] Also, though, I'm remembering it, we do have a work session scheduled for January 24th? [01:01:55] We do currently have one scheduled for January 24th, it will be canceled though, and I will [01:02:04] let you know. [01:02:05] I'm out of town. [01:02:08] In your... [01:02:09] January 31st. [01:02:10] Yeah, Judy and I wrote to you in your city manager's report for tomorrow that that will [01:02:14] be canceled. [01:02:15] Thank you. [01:02:16] And we'll reschedule it. [01:02:17] No, I don't think so. [01:02:18] Thank you. [01:02:19] I'm good. [01:02:20] Thank you. [01:02:21] It is nice that we're talking about economic development and rebuilding our city, since [01:02:28] in two months, I suspect, based on what Chuck Gray is saying, we will all be singing along, [01:02:34] we built this city on rock and roll. [01:02:36] Yeah, it looks like we got quite a... [01:02:39] Jefferson Starship coming from Chasco. [01:02:41] Wow. [01:02:42] Yeah. [01:02:43] And the Marine Corps Band. [01:02:44] Well, if that's anything, when I saw Leon Russell last year, and he has since passed, [01:02:53] but it was nice to take a trip down memory lane in Atlanta and see... [01:02:58] He had trouble getting to the stage and off, but once he got rocking and rolling, you closed [01:03:04] your eyes and you could believe you still had long hair and sideburns and not as much [01:03:10] gray. [01:03:12] I did get a letter off, I presume went out in yesterday or today's mail to Our Sister [01:03:19] City inviting them, they've got an invitation to perform at Chasco, and we'll see if we [01:03:27] can do that and fall back for the seafood festival boat thingy. [01:03:36] Where we are, if not on the budget side and stuff, if we get an opportunity to fine tune [01:03:43] our strategic plan, I just think that says a lot about where we are, because I know things [01:03:48] that we were talking about in June and July of last year, a number of those things are [01:03:53] no longer, in my mind, up the priority list on that, and I think it does us well to have [01:04:02] that map or that vision so that when people come up, because I think people think we do [01:04:09] stuff on the fly. [01:04:11] Especially with misinformation going around. [01:04:16] That truly is, because if you have elements to point to, and that we do think about more [01:04:23] than one thing at a time, because I don't know about you, I can't eat at a table with [01:04:33] only one leg, I'm sorry, it just won't stand up, won't stand up. [01:04:38] That's an excellent analogy, and it probably is appropriate for us to at least spend a [01:04:43] little bit of time talking about our strategic vision of where we want the city, because [01:04:50] in another four months or so, we'll be back into the early stages of budget season again. [01:04:58] That would be the precursor to, okay, are we still headed in the direction we think [01:05:03] we are, and that will guide those budget decisions. [01:05:07] Well that, and we've all stated it, if not once, a couple of times in the last 60 days, [01:05:14] that solving the parking ratio issue in downtown New Port Richey has now become to me a number [01:05:24] one or number two priority, which in June or July of last year was just a thought. [01:05:32] That changes or that repositions some of the things we had in our CIP plan, and whether [01:05:40] it's financed or wherever you get it, because I had a conversation with a former city attorney [01:05:47] of ours the other day talking about new market tax credit programs and how they're beginning [01:05:53] to, there are developers and people out there that are looking to utilize that funding tool [01:06:02] on parking garages if it has certain elements to it. [01:06:07] Any way to track that forward, and then we all know after the inauguration what may happen [01:06:16] in the Marine District, and I don't know if you've seen the hospital, what was the former [01:06:23] hospital and the stacks that it's in, as well as how Marine Parkway looks. [01:06:31] I think if we can identify those main elements, and that dovetails into our penny for Pasco [01:06:40] II money, which is about $2 million a year, and I think we're good stewards if we identify [01:06:49] how percentage wise or how we're going to take that money over the next five years and [01:06:56] allocate it, because it can be addressed in many ways. It can be used for economic [01:07:03] development. They added that. You don't see the same push that was in penny one for the [01:07:12] environmentally sensitive lands, so you don't have to do as much of that, but you've got [01:07:19] police fire equipment. You've got roadway improvements. You've got quality of life improvements [01:07:29] that you can do, which include park and wrecks and all that, and we're doing that master [01:07:34] plan. If all we said is we're getting $2 million a year, and yes, we think 20% needs to be [01:07:42] focused in these categories, because in the original penny, it told you where you were [01:07:49] going to spend the money. [01:07:50] It was very specific. [01:07:51] We were very specific, because we knew we had to be on point with the public, and then [01:07:57] put the right monitoring tools after it was passed, so that those dollars got spent on [01:08:04] 99% of everything that they said they were going to be spent on. [01:08:08] I do not claim to have a crystal ball, especially when it comes to any of the yahoos in Washington, [01:08:20] but we've got a new president that's come in that has at least made comments about massive [01:08:29] upgrades of infrastructure, and if he actually talks Congress into that, we want to be really [01:08:38] ready to jump in with our projects. [01:08:41] That's the reason we've already got local option gas tax. We already had penny one money [01:08:47] that's already in this year's cap, but it's a 10-year revenue stream, so if you say that [01:08:57] you're going to take 20% or 25% of that $2 million a year, which is basically half a [01:09:04] million dollars, and you have the ability to go out and short-term borrow and fast-track [01:09:13] and dedicate that, because you know the revenue's stable, then because the sooner those get [01:09:21] off the table, because we all know that if something big on 19 comes in our purview, [01:09:29] or the Marine District shows up, it's going to be the shiny object, and it's going to [01:09:36] take up a lot of time, and if we haven't built the brick wall in all these other areas of [01:09:47] the city, then it's going to be the massive push there, and I think it's important that [01:09:55] you just can't throw money at that at that point. You've got to be able to dedicate it, [01:09:59] but you've already taken care of them. We've taken care of a lot of other, and a number [01:10:03] of them have been below-grade element things that we've done over the last five or six [01:10:07] years that people don't see, but it still gives that quality, especially the flooding [01:10:14] downtown issue we had for a long time, so those are the things.

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