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   Recreation & Aquatic Center Expansion Project Discussion

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   Council held a work session to review the Recreation and Aquatic Center Expansion Project, which has been contemplated since 2014. Staff and consultants (Kimley-Horn, Wannemacher Jensen Architects, Hennessy Construction) walked through the proposed expansion scope including a relocated/expanded fitness center, child care room, drop-off lane, parking improvements, and two multi-purpose rooms opening to the pool deck. Construction costs have escalated approximately 5% since the project was paused in November 2015, and staff sought council direction on how to proceed within the $1.7 million budget.

   • direction:Council discussed the expansion scope and sought to provide direction to staff on how to proceed; staff to follow up with exact square footage breakdowns. (none)

   📍Harrison📍Sims Park🏢Hennessy Construction🏢Highland Rec Center🏢Kimley-Horn and Associates🏢LA Fitness🏢Sports Facilities Advisory (SFA)🏢Wannemacher Jensen Architects🏢YMCA👤Aaron👤Elaine Manson👤Jason👤Keith Grimminger👤Mark Stalker#$1.7 million project budget#Birch Room#Game Room#Oak Room#Recreation and Aquatic Center Expansion Project#SFA pro forma study

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   [00:00:16] The discussion item for tonight is the Recreation and Aquatic Center [00:00:19] Expansion Projects. [00:00:22] Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, this [00:00:24] is a project that's been contemplated since 2014, [00:00:30] the specific scope of which has been undefined. [00:00:36] We hired Kimley and Horn and Associates in February 3rd of 2015. [00:00:43] And at that time, the project was proposed [00:00:48] to be a relocation of the existing fitness center [00:00:54] and an expansion of its space. [00:01:00] After some time and deliberation, the recommendation [00:01:08] was altered to approve an expanded scope of the project, which [00:01:13] included not only a new fitness area, but also a child care [00:01:17] room, a drop-off lane, and parking improvements [00:01:21] for the front of the building, two multi-purpose room additions, [00:01:27] and some pool deck improvements. [00:01:29] Some of those proposed improvements were aesthetic in nature. [00:01:36] All of them, though, were intended to increase the amount of revenue [00:01:43] that the building generates. [00:01:46] Although there has been talk around the table [00:01:50] about it being a quality of life improvement, [00:01:54] it being economic development, I have to tell you that it's both. [00:01:59] But it's not quantifiable easily. [00:02:03] In that respect, though, we hired the Sports Facilities Advisory Group [00:02:09] on January 19th of 2016 to conduct a pro forma [00:02:14] and to talk about the specific financials associated [00:02:18] with the expanded scope of the project. [00:02:22] In that respect, they made several recommendations to you. [00:02:26] And the purpose of our meeting this evening [00:02:29] is sort of to review where we've been with the project [00:02:32] so that I can garner some additional direction from you [00:02:37] as to how you collectively would like to go forward. [00:02:42] The disappointing news is that since November 15th of 2015, [00:02:49] when we stopped the project, construction prices have escalated. [00:02:56] And correct me if I'm wrong, Mark. [00:02:59] I think we're indicating a 5% increase in construction costs. [00:03:05] So if you determine that you want to go forward with the project, [00:03:09] there'll be some additional work on our part [00:03:11] to bring the project budget back down to the $1.7 million, [00:03:16] which is the last direction that I received from you as a group. [00:03:22] We have prepared a PowerPoint presentation for you this evening. [00:03:26] And I'm going to allow Elaine to introduce the guests at the table. [00:03:31] And then Mr. Grimminger will lead things off. [00:03:34] I was actually going to let Keith do that. [00:03:36] OK, well, I can do that. [00:03:40] Again, thank you very much. [00:03:41] Keith Grimminger with Kimley Horn. [00:03:43] Hold the mic up to yourself and pass it around. [00:03:46] Along with me are Aaron and Jason with Watermaker Jason Architects, [00:03:51] who are our consultant, and Mark Stalker with Hennessey Construction, who [00:03:56] is our construction manager. [00:04:00] As Ms. Manson said, we had taken the project through to fruition [00:04:06] to permitting, and actually had been priced by the construction [00:04:12] manager and budgeted. [00:04:15] And as I said, we had gone through, I think, even our first, [00:04:18] we were on our second round of review through the permitting [00:04:22] process with your permitting group. [00:04:25] At that point in time, the project was held, [00:04:28] and SFA conducted their review of the project and the financials. [00:04:35] If we can go ahead and go to the next page. [00:04:45] Here we go. [00:04:46] So what we're going to walk you through today [00:04:48] is really the review of the design and the documentation [00:04:53] that we had submitted in October of 2015, [00:04:57] almost a year to date of the submittal. [00:05:01] The next time we'll walk through some alternative concept plans. [00:05:05] We'll comment to the SFA study, and then we'll [00:05:11] also look at some programming and planning options [00:05:15] that were discussed through this process, [00:05:18] as well as the development schedule. [00:05:24] Thank you. [00:05:27] As Ms. Mann said, originally when the project was initiated, [00:05:31] it was going to be an expansion of the fitness center. [00:05:35] As your consultants, they were asked [00:05:37] to look at what other opportunities might there [00:05:40] be to help improve the overall center. [00:05:43] What you see here is, is there a pointer on this? [00:05:47] Yes. [00:05:54] I'll do it over here so everyone can see it. [00:05:58] So we looked at your existing pool deck, [00:06:00] and you can see the blue areas were your landscape islands now, [00:06:05] and really taken away quite a bit of the operational aspect [00:06:09] of the deck. [00:06:10] The red areas were the imagined areas [00:06:14] of relocating the fitness center from the east side [00:06:18] of the project to the west side of the project, [00:06:22] and making a clear view to the membership as they come in. [00:06:27] This is a model that has now been [00:06:30] used across recreation facilities [00:06:33] around the country. [00:06:34] And then looking at some other opportunities [00:06:36] for revenue generation is creating [00:06:38] a couple additional activity rooms that could also [00:06:42] spill off into the pool deck, and then [00:06:44] retrofitting of the old fitness center [00:06:47] to, again, take advantage of the pool deck operations. [00:06:50] Then as we also began to stay the site further, [00:06:54] we recognized that a lot of the transportation issues [00:06:58] weren't being fully met, and we proposed [00:07:01] to take advantage of the green space [00:07:03] that you have out in front, and creating a true drop-off [00:07:06] for elderly, handicap, et cetera, [00:07:09] creating some pull-off lanes, and actually expanding [00:07:12] about another additional 20 parking spaces to the site. [00:07:18] And again, these are examples here [00:07:20] of newer facilities within the area that [00:07:26] have brought this fitness center to the front and foremost. [00:07:30] They're the most actively in use spaces [00:07:33] within recreation facilities, and are quite an amazing space. [00:07:39] The one in the upper left-hand corner [00:07:43] is the YMCA that also has pulled this together. [00:07:49] Jason, you're welcome to add anything. [00:07:51] These are either some of your facilities [00:07:53] or others that you've seen. [00:07:54] What's the one on the right? [00:07:55] Is that the Trinity facility for the gills? [00:07:58] Yes. [00:07:58] OK, that's what I thought. [00:08:01] What's the one on the right? [00:08:05] I'm not sure right offhand, the one on the right. [00:08:07] I believe that's a national. [00:08:09] It's not local, that one. [00:08:10] One, but the. [00:08:11] LA Fitness, to be honest with you. [00:08:14] But I mean, the general trend nationwide [00:08:17] is that the building is a billboard for you. [00:08:21] And getting people in the door, this [00:08:23] is one of the things that you do to really exhibit [00:08:27] the activity inside. [00:08:29] And hey, I'd like to get in there. [00:08:31] I'd like to join, to know that you have that facility. [00:08:35] Not all recreation centers have that type of facility. [00:08:38] So it's not just a given that you have that offering. [00:08:43] So you are a municipality that has embraced that, [00:08:46] so you should advertise it. [00:08:48] Most facilities also consider that putting that [00:08:51] close to the front door. [00:08:52] As SFA has said, since you have the most in and out [00:08:57] to that feature, people desire that [00:09:00] to be as close to the front door as possible. [00:09:03] It also keeps, from a secure standpoint, [00:09:06] when people are coming just to the fitness center, [00:09:08] they basically go directly there. [00:09:10] You don't have as many people wandering through the building [00:09:13] to manage and supervise as well. [00:09:15] So that's a helpful feature from an operational standpoint. [00:09:19] One other question. [00:09:20] On the Trinity facility for the Y, [00:09:23] that front glass area in the front on the left [00:09:25] that has the YMCA over the top? [00:09:28] That is their fitness center. [00:09:29] Am I not mistaken that that's their child care area? [00:09:32] That's their child care. [00:09:33] I'm sorry. [00:09:34] Yeah, let me be clear. [00:09:35] Yeah, because that's been a point of conversation [00:09:38] on some of our other meetings. [00:09:40] And obviously, when you come in, they [00:09:42] have a way to get into there. [00:09:47] But that front glass that you see right there [00:09:50] does have some kind of a gym aspect to it. [00:09:53] But that's where the kids get to play. [00:09:56] They get some sunshine, I believe. [00:09:58] Right. [00:10:00] That's correct. [00:10:01] That is the other unique feature with the play structure [00:10:05] is how do you also advertise that but keep safe? [00:10:09] One of the reasons why we put the play feature on the glass [00:10:12] is because they're already within a structure [00:10:15] within the play area. [00:10:16] So you're actually not able to see the children. [00:10:19] But you are able to see the play structure, which [00:10:21] is what you're advertising. [00:10:23] Actually, I served on the finance committee [00:10:26] or the committee that went out and asked local businesses [00:10:29] back in the mid to late 90s to gather some of the funding [00:10:35] to put the first phase of that facility into place. [00:10:39] So that was a huge conversation piece [00:10:42] for Trinity, Gills, the PUD, the whole aspects of what [00:10:48] was happening out there. [00:10:49] And of course, that overhang that you see there, [00:10:53] it was an afterthought. [00:10:55] It wasn't in the original design. [00:10:58] Because we used to have to run through the raindrops [00:11:00] from the parking lot at 5.30 to get into the gym. [00:11:05] Back in the original front view of the rec center? [00:11:09] Original front view. [00:11:10] Yeah, one more slide. [00:11:12] Oh. [00:11:12] One more slide. [00:11:14] Back. [00:11:15] Other way? [00:11:16] I'm sorry, this, yes. [00:11:19] My idea is this one is, this picture here [00:11:22] isn't even on Harrison. [00:11:23] It's in the driveway. [00:11:25] I mean, it's in the grass area that you talk about. [00:11:27] So emphasizing the rec center or the fitness center [00:11:33] or the youth park. [00:11:40] Oh, absolutely. [00:11:42] And I personally think that's beautiful, as it is right now. [00:11:46] Absolutely beautiful. [00:11:47] I mean, there's nothing like that for a town of 15,000 [00:11:50] people in the state of Florida. [00:11:51] Absolutely. [00:11:52] Well, when I work out there, I got to tell you, [00:11:54] I don't really appreciate the sun first thing in the morning. [00:11:57] And obviously, the expansion back into that loading dock [00:12:00] area. [00:12:01] So if you're talking about Harrison, [00:12:04] this obviously is your gateway. [00:12:06] And if you're inviting people to come in [00:12:07] and it's your major activity point, [00:12:10] it would seem to me that if you're [00:12:13] going to make some investments, that you'd [00:12:15] make them to do some enhancements to your largest, [00:12:19] what should be your largest revenue stream. [00:12:22] So to get into the, I'm sorry, go ahead. [00:12:27] Correct. [00:12:37] It would be along that wall. [00:12:38] Had we also been talking about this? [00:12:43] Yes. [00:12:44] Yes. [00:12:44] Oh, I just wanted to clarify that. [00:12:46] And again, both of these are the red. [00:12:51] And one of the recommendations from the SFA [00:12:53] was expanding the fitness center, [00:12:56] your existing Oak Room in its current condition [00:12:58] is not large enough to house the fitness center. [00:13:01] So the choice is not really aesthetics. [00:13:04] The choice is expand your fitness room, [00:13:07] expand the child care to the size [00:13:09] that they need it to be to function from a program [00:13:11] standpoint. [00:13:12] And if you do do that, then you want [00:13:15] it to be aesthetically pleasing. [00:13:17] Right. [00:13:17] And so again, if that was the case for Oak Room. [00:13:23] Right. [00:13:24] Let them. [00:13:28] Here's the proposed expansion plan, [00:13:31] as we concluded October a year ago. [00:13:36] So again, the identification of the green areas [00:13:41] are the areas for remodel. [00:13:44] The blue areas were the areas of expansion. [00:13:48] Again, Jason, I'll let you walk in. [00:13:50] Wanamaker Jensen did a majority of the planning. [00:13:54] And understanding how the best operate. [00:14:01] From the standpoint of these two rooms, [00:14:03] what we were just speaking of, this [00:14:07] is obviously the existing room, which functions fine [00:14:11] as a multi-purpose or a classroom, [00:14:13] but does not function for the size of a child play [00:14:17] area that would be certainly a generator of funds. [00:14:25] This was the play area that's being proposed. [00:14:29] And then this is the fitness room, [00:14:31] which in the original plan, we were [00:14:33] trying to keep as much of the existing space as possible. [00:14:37] Really just take out the end wall [00:14:40] and expand directly for that. [00:14:44] Even keeping the systems in the ceiling, [00:14:47] but allowing a little bit of release. [00:14:49] So it's not all just one acoustical ceiling [00:14:52] and fitness room. [00:14:53] That's also not desirable. [00:14:55] But to expand the space in this direction [00:14:58] and allow the view. [00:15:00] use and allow both views out and the views in those spaces. [00:15:05] The lobby, just to go back through the consideration [00:15:11] of that, there's a, right now you have an expansive throat [00:15:18] which is hard to control and you have a very large [00:15:22] reception desk which isn't as conducive for how they [00:15:26] actually operate so creating more of a pitch point [00:15:29] to make sure that you are getting people to pay [00:15:32] and check in when they come into the facility [00:15:34] and organize that and then you have the direct access [00:15:38] to the fitness room which we, again speaking, [00:15:42] that people can come into the lobby, check in [00:15:44] and go directly into that facility there [00:15:49] and then coming out to the pool deck, [00:15:52] these rooms were made that they could operate [00:15:54] as one large room for a large party [00:15:58] or you could put up this temporary wall [00:16:01] and then it can function as two smaller party rooms. [00:16:06] The example we've looked at a couple times [00:16:09] is Highland Rec Center has both of these facilities [00:16:13] and also the indoor play area. [00:16:16] Both are some of the highest generating spaces [00:16:20] in the center. [00:16:21] They charge for the childcare individually [00:16:26] and they also charge, they're always filling [00:16:29] those party rooms because they have direct access [00:16:31] to the pool deck. [00:16:33] So both those are revenue generating sources. [00:16:36] Can I ask Elaine two questions based on what you just said? [00:16:39] Number one, do we currently understand the size [00:16:41] of the throat as you referenced entering the building? [00:16:44] Do you currently have an issue with people [00:16:46] trying to slip through the cracks and get in there [00:16:47] and use the facility without paying? [00:16:48] Every day, every day is a problem. [00:16:50] Okay, and then number two, if someone wants to rent, [00:16:54] to have a party and rent a room, the issue right now [00:16:57] is that the room is through the main lobby, [00:17:00] back here away from the pool, correct? [00:17:03] Well, the issue currently is if they rent the Oak Room, [00:17:05] where the Oak Room is right now, [00:17:07] and they're having a pool party, [00:17:08] they have to then walk through the main lobby [00:17:11] out to the pool deck and then they come from the pool deck, [00:17:14] wet swimsuits, so they're constantly back and forth [00:17:17] because kids are in to get pizza and cake [00:17:19] and then back out and forth to the pool. [00:17:21] So we don't have a current room [00:17:24] that we can rent out near the pool [00:17:25] that's really efficient for a kid's birthday party. [00:17:29] Right, and then. [00:17:30] It's a square footing. [00:17:31] Is the Birch Room the first room [00:17:33] and Oak Room the second room? [00:17:35] The first room. [00:17:36] Oak Room's the first room. [00:17:37] Right there, where you can close it off, can't you? [00:17:41] Maybe you got sliders to close that room? [00:17:43] Correct. [00:17:44] Yeah, whatever we decide on, [00:17:45] that's something I'd like to see. [00:17:46] I mean, with the splash pad in Sims Park, [00:17:49] correct me if I'm wrong, [00:17:50] those pavilion areas and picnic tables [00:17:53] are booked with parties pretty much every weekend, correct? [00:17:57] Yes. [00:17:58] About 8.30 in the morning, [00:17:59] they come staking out if they don't have a reservation. [00:18:02] Is the first room, back to my question, [00:18:04] the first room's the Oak Room, [00:18:05] is the second room the Birch Room? [00:18:07] Yes, sir. [00:18:08] What's the third room called? [00:18:09] The third room is the Birch Room, so it. [00:18:12] That's the Oak Room, then it's the Game Room, [00:18:14] and then the Birch Room. [00:18:16] The current dance studio right now. [00:18:19] Hardwood floor, yes. [00:18:20] And then what the, as Jason was talking about, [00:18:24] the design with the making those rooms, [00:18:26] we're looking at multipurpose for a lot of the space, [00:18:30] and if we have, it's called a wet classroom, [00:18:33] so if we have those two additional rooms, [00:18:35] they're then available for parties [00:18:36] open right to the pool deck. [00:18:38] We can run instructional classes that are in the pool [00:18:40] that then need classroom space. [00:18:43] And the. [00:18:44] CPR. [00:18:44] Right, CPR and so forth classes, so. [00:18:46] What is the square footage of the Oak Room [00:18:48] that you're adding on, and the Game Room? [00:18:58] Got a total figure of 2,200, but there [00:19:00] wasn't a breakdown in the information that I got. [00:19:03] Say, this space versus this space versus this space? [00:19:06] Right, the square footage of the turquoise, basically, right? [00:19:18] I don't have it, I don't have it. [00:19:29] Yeah, we have overall square footage for this room, [00:19:34] and the new square footage is 2,400. [00:19:36] That's the total for what I have. [00:19:38] Understood. [00:19:38] And we're adding about a third of that, so approximately. [00:19:41] I don't want the exact numbers. [00:19:43] We can follow up with the exact numbers for you. [00:19:46] I'm really curious on the, what about the one by the pool, [00:19:49] the new pool? [00:19:53] That's, OK, so the, what's, is, let's see if I can, [00:20:01] so approximately 750. [00:20:06] So, I'm sorry, 750 would be the turquoise you're adding on? [00:20:09] Yes, sir. [00:20:09] OK. [00:20:10] But you're incorporating the green conference [00:20:12] room into that room. [00:20:14] Correct. [00:20:15] So you're taking what is a conference room now [00:20:17] that is used periodically, but you [00:20:19] are adding it to the additional space [00:20:21] you're putting on the building. [00:20:23] So, in essence, if, I don't know, you know. [00:20:27] You're getting a multi-purpose room without doing it. [00:20:29] I'm just trying to get a conception. [00:20:30] I know what size my house is, I know what size the rooms are [00:20:33] in my house, you know, I'm a pretty good guess, [00:20:35] but this doesn't give me any clues at all. [00:20:37] And then, party room? [00:20:38] Oh, sorry. [00:20:39] How big is your house? [00:20:41] 1,100 square feet. [00:20:42] So your house is not even half of this room. [00:20:48] Your whole house. [00:20:48] You still have to figure. [00:20:50] Let's be honest, you don't have to figure on the expansion, [00:20:53] the total figure. [00:20:55] We'll give you a breakdown. [00:20:56] If we're going to have a fitness room, [00:20:58] we don't know what we're adding on to the existing. [00:21:01] On a child care, we don't know what we're adding on, [00:21:05] and we've got an L-shaped thing that we're adding on, [00:21:07] and we don't know half. [00:21:08] We think that's it. [00:21:10] What we're tasked with is providing, in the end, [00:21:14] each program needs an overall space to work with. [00:21:17] So the fitness room needs an overall square footage [00:21:20] of 2,400 square feet to be a functional fitness center. [00:21:24] Doesn't matter what's old or what's new, [00:21:27] for it to function in that program. [00:21:28] Do you know what size our existing fitness room is? [00:21:31] 1,700. [00:21:32] 1,700. [00:21:34] So all we really need is 700 square feet. [00:21:38] Well, go back to your report that you requested. [00:21:43] The SFA also said it should be larger, [00:21:46] and it should be up front. [00:21:48] So that is the two considerations. [00:21:51] We will also go over. [00:21:52] Well, you drew this before SFA, but I'm just saying, [00:21:55] so basically you're saying SFA and you guys [00:21:58] are saying we need an increase of 700 square feet. [00:22:03] As long as it's a continuous open space. [00:22:06] I don't have a problem with that. [00:22:08] Okay. [00:22:09] So does the platform have entire space in the front, [00:22:12] the aqua and the green? [00:22:16] Yes. [00:22:17] So in the corner where the aqua is. [00:22:25] Those, Jason, tell them how those two rooms would operate. [00:22:28] The green and the activity rooms, [00:22:31] the green and the aqua would serve as potentially [00:22:35] one space with a divider, and the other blue [00:22:38] would serve as another space. [00:22:39] But they could all open contiguously [00:22:42] and actually provide what's good about this location, [00:22:45] not only access to the pool deck, [00:22:47] but you have your kitchen there right there as well. [00:22:49] And that space will also operate as a ticket-taking area [00:22:54] for events out on the pool deck as well. [00:22:56] So as we went through the planning exercise [00:22:59] and heard all the operational issues that they were having, [00:23:02] we really tried to position it so it would take care [00:23:06] of as many operational issues as possible. [00:23:09] So see, like these, before, all you had, [00:23:12] all your program rooms up here. [00:23:14] So you have no room except for the fitness center [00:23:17] that opens up to the pool deck. [00:23:18] Obviously you can't, that doesn't really matter. [00:23:22] So in this plan, you have one, two, three rooms [00:23:26] that open up to the pool deck. [00:23:27] All can be rented for that purpose. [00:23:30] The other thing that it gives you [00:23:31] is that you have three different size options. [00:23:34] So you have large, medium, and then break this down, small. [00:23:39] When you rent these parties, [00:23:40] not everybody wants to rent a room this size [00:23:44] for a kid's birthday party. [00:23:45] You want the smaller rooms. [00:23:47] So you don't want to rent out [00:23:49] and hold some of your largest rooms out [00:23:53] for a birthday party. [00:23:54] So this allows you that flexibility [00:23:56] to rent the right size at the right times [00:23:58] and not overbuild. [00:23:59] We're building the right size for those purposes. [00:24:02] And I just have a couple questions [00:24:03] regarding the activity room leading up to the pool. [00:24:07] With the subdivider, you could actually have two parties [00:24:09] renting it out at the same time, correct? [00:24:11] Now, where the green is, [00:24:12] I understand that's opening up to the addition. [00:24:14] Where exactly is the kitchen in comparison to that green? [00:24:17] Is it just to the right or is it in the green? [00:24:19] As a direct access with the door to that room. [00:24:22] And so access to getting to this new activity room [00:24:26] that's expanded, we're gonna walk in the front door, [00:24:30] take a ride at the desk, [00:24:30] and then there's a door to get in there. [00:24:31] Before you get outside, [00:24:32] or do you have to go outside to the covered area [00:24:33] to get into the? [00:24:34] You'd have to go outside, [00:24:35] but they're expanding the covered area [00:24:37] to be able to access both of those rooms from out, [00:24:40] from doors that are undercover. [00:24:41] I'm trying to visualize access, [00:24:42] how people are gonna get in and out. [00:24:44] You would go in as you're going to the pool deck now, [00:24:46] and then you would just go around the concession [00:24:48] to the right, and both doors would open directly [00:24:51] to the pool deck and both would have covers. [00:24:53] And I'll let you proceed. [00:24:53] I'm just, I'm kind of fixated on this [00:24:55] because I just feel, you know, [00:24:56] I know it's the side from what we first started [00:24:59] to talk about with the expansion of childcare [00:25:00] in the fitness center, but that to me is just key. [00:25:03] I think it's gonna be booked out every weekend [00:25:06] unless it's 50 degrees outside. [00:25:07] I really do. [00:25:08] SFA made a big point about flexibility [00:25:12] and about the ability to maximize, [00:25:15] and I think one of our charges to them, [00:25:18] since we went through that exercise, [00:25:20] even though we probably had 75 or 80% [00:25:22] of the information ourselves, [00:25:25] because we've seen it operate [00:25:27] and from our existing staff and people that we have here, [00:25:31] was the ability to drive additional revenue. [00:25:35] I think those three activity rooms [00:25:37] with access to the pool are gonna be key to. [00:25:40] And what's, and just refresh my memory, [00:25:43] what's the age of our existing facility? [00:25:45] When was it opened again? [00:25:47] It opened May of 2007. [00:25:50] So nine years, basically, almost 10 years. [00:25:53] And we've done basically maintenance on it, [00:25:56] and we've tried to make the existing service platform work [00:26:00] that's been severely criticized over and over again [00:26:04] about the hindsight's always 40-40, not 20-20. [00:26:08] So I just wanted to make sure [00:26:10] I could clarify some of those things. [00:26:14] So on the left-hand side there, [00:26:18] at the final design that was concluded last August [00:26:21] before we went into permitting, [00:26:24] Hennessy was able to price it, [00:26:26] put a $2.3 million price tag on it. [00:26:32] The escalation cost, as he mentioned earlier, at 5%. [00:26:34] So the design currently for the building, [00:26:37] and then Jason, go ahead and click to the next slide, [00:26:39] for the building and the improvements [00:26:42] that we talked about on the pool deck [00:26:44] of opening up all those landscape areas, [00:26:46] adding additional seating and capacity [00:26:50] around the existing pool in a variety of areas. [00:26:55] And just to the north there of the swimming pool [00:27:00] that would sit between the swimming pool [00:27:04] and the kid pool, additional decking there. [00:27:07] So again, creating larger capacity [00:27:09] within the same square footage of the perimeter fence. [00:27:13] And then the next slide is showing the deep. [00:27:17] What's on some of those features, [00:27:19] we were also trying to provide some covered area [00:27:22] that again, for smaller parties or smaller rentals, [00:27:29] you can also rent those out too. [00:27:32] And then the addition of the drop-off, [00:27:35] as we had mentioned, drop-off, additional parking, [00:27:37] handicap parking, and to bring not only seniors, [00:27:41] but either buses or other people [00:27:44] directly close to the front door [00:27:47] and in this concept, we also had a covered canopy [00:27:51] that actually kept people protected from the elements. [00:27:55] So, but again, the drop-off facility here [00:27:58] was about a $300,000 with about $100,000 [00:28:02] of that of the canopy. [00:28:04] And then the next slide, go ahead. [00:28:11] Well this is, yeah. [00:28:13] This is the entry, these are those two activity rooms. [00:28:21] And when Keith had mentioned before [00:28:23] that this room also has a window in it [00:28:27] that it can be a dual purpose for accessing [00:28:31] and ticketing directly into the pool. [00:28:35] So that allows you a second option to, [00:28:37] on whether it's a meet or extreme days [00:28:42] that you could actually open it directly this way. [00:28:45] So that this fills in that green area, [00:28:48] this allows for a bus drop-off to come in here [00:28:52] and then come directly into the entry here. [00:28:55] So those lines are just basically some grading [00:28:58] that we have to do. [00:28:58] It looks fairly flat, but we have to raise it [00:29:00] just a little bit. [00:29:01] Are you familiar with the drop-off area [00:29:02] on the west side of the building? [00:29:04] Yeah. [00:29:05] Yes. [00:29:06] Or the east side of the building? [00:29:07] East side, yes. [00:29:08] So what, why are? [00:29:09] Well, that's a good operational question. [00:29:13] You know, to speak of, you know, [00:29:14] on a building that operationally we want to make sure [00:29:16] that we only have to have one staff member checking in. [00:29:20] If you start entering people from two sides, [00:29:22] it really says that you need to add two receptions, [00:29:24] have two people operating that. [00:29:26] And that operational budget always is something [00:29:28] that we try to not do. [00:29:29] The doors are unlocked all the time, isn't it? [00:29:32] No. [00:29:33] No? [00:29:33] No. [00:29:34] It's been unlocked when I've been there. [00:29:37] Okay. [00:29:38] We looked at that originally as well, [00:29:40] but it's also serving, you know, [00:29:42] all the deliveries and services and all those kinds of, [00:29:45] and again, with the emphasis on the fitness center [00:29:49] coming to the front there, really, again, [00:29:52] creating one sense of secure entrance and access [00:29:56] to control that, as well as making this access. [00:30:00] which we understand, I think, Elaine, you mentioned, [00:30:02] people have actually driven up on the grass [00:30:04] to get close to the front door [00:30:05] to actually drop people off, so. [00:30:07] They've driven right up the sidewalk [00:30:08] and then didn't know what to do. [00:30:11] Well, when it was originally designed, [00:30:14] there was a big oak tree right there, [00:30:15] and I'm sure that was part of the overall, [00:30:20] you faced that with Sims Park. [00:30:23] So, you know, there was a big oak tree [00:30:26] and then it died recently and it was taken down. [00:30:30] We finally took down the old pump shed [00:30:32] from the old pool that was set up. [00:30:34] And, you know, so that's opened up some space. [00:30:39] But obviously, I don't, by at least doing some consideration [00:30:43] for a drop-off, I believe we're inviting people [00:30:47] to actually come in, [00:30:49] especially since we have a larger silver sneaker program [00:30:54] and with the summer kids program and everything else. [00:31:00] So, eventually, somebody's gonna talk ADA. [00:31:06] So, we don't wanna talk ADA, but somebody will talk ADA. [00:31:11] And obviously, this all meets those requirements. [00:31:13] ADA is actually accessible on the north side [00:31:15] of the building from the parking lot. [00:31:19] No, no, I think there are accessible spots right now. [00:31:23] But as you can see, [00:31:24] we've added all the handicapped spots right there, [00:31:28] right at the front of the building, [00:31:29] and the drop-off, which should still be able to function. [00:31:33] As people are dropping off, [00:31:34] vehicles can still access around, [00:31:37] and we've added about additional 20 parking spaces. [00:31:41] So, this was, as we were, I say, proposed into permitting. [00:31:47] Go to the next slide, Jason. [00:31:48] Yeah, one of the main things for seniors, [00:31:52] especially when you get into field trips [00:31:53] and things like loading up vans, [00:31:56] that drop-off gets really important for that. [00:31:58] Yeah. [00:31:59] Can you go back? [00:32:00] I just wanted to ask a question on the former slide. [00:32:04] You talk about the handicap. [00:32:06] You talk about the accessibility in those points. [00:32:11] Over and above that, [00:32:15] how it grades down to the lower level. [00:32:18] And then just the presentation from when you come in, [00:32:22] because we still get blocked out by Claude Pepper. [00:32:24] We still get blocked out by the hill that's in the way. [00:32:29] So, those two points were something [00:32:35] that I know we've talked about. [00:32:38] And then, obviously, the ability to monitor [00:32:43] the childcare drop-off and the other areas that we have. [00:32:46] I know it's a key issue in a lot of the schools [00:32:50] when they're having daily in and out drop-offs [00:32:52] with their children and stuff. [00:32:54] And we have enough. [00:32:56] I think one of the nice things about doing this, [00:33:00] not only the extra for handicapped spaces, [00:33:03] but the number of extra spaces, period. [00:33:07] Because that area in front of the rec center now [00:33:11] is tight on parking. [00:33:14] And people don't know that you got parking [00:33:15] down the hill at some point. [00:33:17] I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. [00:33:20] You're talking about the concept. [00:33:21] You got 292,000 plus 93 for the canopy, so you're at? [00:33:28] No, 93 is, it was in. [00:33:31] So, I can back out the 93 from the, [00:33:34] if I didn't do the canopy, or is it combined? [00:33:41] Do you have a visual of the canopy? [00:33:43] It's, I think they had a, yeah. [00:33:47] Kind of a long walkway approach. [00:33:59] That's the pool deck side, right? [00:34:06] Yeah, to take those, the numbers you were looking at, [00:34:08] to take out the driveway and the canopy was 385,912. [00:34:16] Deduct, yeah. [00:34:18] So, that was the price of the parking drop-off [00:34:21] and the canopy, as two separate items. [00:34:24] All right. [00:34:26] So, one of the things we were asked for [00:34:28] is if we looked at expanding out to the east, [00:34:31] how much additional square footage we would have. [00:34:35] And if we did so, what would that run? [00:34:39] And my understanding, the issue here is, [00:34:43] we do have a large. [00:34:44] What side of the building is this? [00:34:46] On the east side. [00:34:47] East side, yes. [00:34:49] Is, we can add up to another 1,100 square feet, [00:34:52] almost 1,200 square feet, [00:34:55] but that was not taking out that wall. [00:34:58] It was walking through those, the existing windows. [00:35:02] So, the layout of the equipment would be compromised [00:35:07] and it would feel like two individual rooms. [00:35:12] And that's because that wall's structural. [00:35:14] That wall's structural in trying to cantilever [00:35:17] whatever roof system you have to kind of, [00:35:21] because you've got the high ceilings [00:35:22] and you get to kick out to the. [00:35:25] Expansion, you wouldn't have to put [00:35:27] 20 foot ceilings in it either. [00:35:29] You could put 10 foot ceilings in the expansion. [00:35:31] So, you're gonna go from a high ceiling to a drop-down? [00:35:34] Well, I mean. [00:35:35] I'm just trying to understand your mindset, [00:35:38] if you're gonna take it and then drop it down. [00:35:40] So, it's like a sun porch on the back of my house [00:35:45] or something, if I drop that to the side. [00:35:45] I don't mean to bring it down to six or seven or eight feet. [00:35:48] 10 feet would be, it would still have a large area. [00:35:53] And those are like double doors. [00:35:54] Every one of those windows is like a double door. [00:35:58] So, again, the idea is that you could get [00:36:01] expanded square footage there, [00:36:04] but the layout of the equipment [00:36:06] would have to be thought through. [00:36:08] Again, we just did this very quickly [00:36:09] since our meeting last week [00:36:10] to try to get an understanding of what we could add. [00:36:13] What potential cost would be? [00:36:17] And having studied it thoroughly. [00:36:20] I mean, the but isn't a factor. [00:36:23] I mean, there's a lot of area there. [00:36:27] You've got more than what you're proposing [00:36:29] on the other side of the building. [00:36:31] You're kind of doubling down on the bad positioning [00:36:34] of the fitness center. [00:36:35] Almost 3,000 square feet. [00:36:36] So. [00:36:37] Not 2,400. [00:36:39] Making a larger mistake, in my opinion. [00:36:43] If you put it here. [00:36:44] Because once you put this in, [00:36:46] you can never make this a viable multipurpose room. [00:36:50] Yeah, if you add that space, [00:36:51] you can't break these spaces down in the future [00:36:55] into other multipurpose rooms. [00:36:57] Because you cannot enter a space from another space. [00:37:00] So if you ever choose to move this in the future, [00:37:03] this space cannot be used for any other purpose. [00:37:09] You would need to have, expand this, [00:37:11] put a hallway in, which then makes this unusable. [00:37:14] So I just want to. [00:37:15] Oh, we've lived with this for seven years. [00:37:18] Yeah. [00:37:19] If we make this expansion, [00:37:20] you've got the negative going before we even build it. [00:37:23] So just hold off on the negative, please. [00:37:25] Well, I want to make sure, [00:37:27] my job is to make sure that you understand [00:37:29] where something can be repurposed in the future [00:37:33] and all of the pros and cons with the decision. [00:37:36] So the pro is that it's a little bit bigger [00:37:39] than the other side. [00:37:40] The con is that you are building something [00:37:43] that you cannot repurpose. [00:37:45] Well, take, you can repurpose it [00:37:49] running right along that sidewalk [00:37:50] and then access those rooms [00:37:52] right off the sidewalk from the outside. [00:37:55] You would exit the building and. [00:37:57] Or you could put a hallway there. [00:37:59] You don't have to put it down in the middle. [00:38:01] You could put a hallway down the outside of the building. [00:38:06] You could expand this and enter it [00:38:08] and use this as one room. [00:38:11] Oh, excuse me. [00:38:16] You want to come this way? [00:38:18] Just give me the point. [00:38:29] There you go. [00:38:29] There you go. [00:38:30] Right there. [00:38:31] And the pointer's on the top. [00:38:32] Yeah, I just, I hear something. [00:38:33] Okay, you could put a hallway right down here. [00:38:36] You could divide these buildings. [00:38:41] Well, actually, we've moved the building [00:38:42] as far out as it can go. [00:38:44] Yeah, well, that's a sidewalk there. [00:38:45] You're telling us we don't use that anyhow. [00:38:47] So, but there's a sidewalk there, right there. [00:38:49] It's actually a ramp. [00:38:51] Yeah, okay, sidewalk ramp. [00:38:53] So you do need that for ADA access. [00:38:56] So we actually, that's as far out as you. [00:38:59] You could access those rooms this way. [00:39:00] It's not blocked off forever. [00:39:02] Well, you. [00:39:03] And the same thing from this direction. [00:39:04] Okay, from a code point standpoint, [00:39:06] you can't access the room. [00:39:07] I mean, this is the hallway here. [00:39:10] I was very interested. [00:39:12] There's positives, too. [00:39:14] Yeah, I was very interested to look at the cost savings [00:39:16] by saying the fitness center, you know, [00:39:18] to the east, as well. [00:39:21] The downside to that, for me, personally, [00:39:24] is the fact that you can't, it's a load-bearing wall. [00:39:27] You can't have one big open room. [00:39:28] You walk in any gym, it's one huge open room. [00:39:32] This is, this would look like a kludge. [00:39:34] Well, the other downside. [00:39:36] So, no, I was gonna say thank you for bringing it up. [00:39:40] Looking into it, to me, [00:39:41] I just wanted to see the pros and cons. [00:39:43] I like the cost savings, [00:39:44] but you basically have a divided exercise room. [00:39:47] And, go ahead, Mayor, you wanted to add something? [00:39:49] No, I just said it will look like a kludge. [00:39:53] And then, so what we also did, if you go to the. [00:39:57] Judy wanted to say something. [00:39:57] I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Judy. [00:39:58] Again, I'm sorry. [00:39:59] I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Judy. [00:40:00] I'm sorry. [00:40:01] Again, I'm sorry. [00:40:02] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [00:40:02] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [00:40:03] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [00:40:04] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [00:40:05] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [00:40:06] Just to. [00:40:08] To just. [00:40:09] The idea of how to maximize this. [00:40:17] This would be. [00:40:18] This doesn't really. [00:40:20] There's nowhere to put that. [00:40:36] It just makes a logical sense to have that. [00:40:56] Whether the changes so quickly. [00:41:06] If you go to the next slide, Jason. [00:41:24] So what we did then is really is [00:41:26] looked at the physical improvements. [00:41:28] They had some operational improvements they talked about, [00:41:30] but the physical improvements that they identified [00:41:32] in their report. [00:41:35] So to look at that and following [00:41:37] what their recommendations were, [00:41:39] were to expand the square footage and update the equipment. [00:41:42] That could take place in either location. [00:41:44] But to relocate to the front of the building [00:41:47] and using the existing multipurpose. [00:41:49] With that then, we'd be able to create the flex space [00:41:52] of the existing fitness center [00:41:54] to serve as a new multipurpose. [00:41:58] The child watch, they recommend relocating [00:42:02] from view of the parking lot. [00:42:04] We can talk about that further. [00:42:06] And then also, the pool deck. [00:42:10] The FF and E additions, which is basically [00:42:12] the fixtures and furnishings and stuff. [00:42:14] And the deck resurfacing. [00:42:16] That could be done at a future phase, [00:42:18] which we would also agree with as well. [00:42:22] Just on the SFA, when they did the review, [00:42:27] we had already revised based on council's recommendation [00:42:30] last time of putting the fitness here and some childcare. [00:42:36] So their comments for childcare was revolving around [00:42:40] that there was access directly [00:42:42] from the front door on childcare. [00:42:44] So this is actually going back [00:42:46] to when we had the childcare here. [00:42:48] So you're following their recommendation [00:42:54] of not having it directly off of the lobby here. [00:42:58] So this is in line with what they are recommending. [00:43:06] Close, but not too close, right? [00:43:09] Yeah, the, I guess, advantage, or not advantage, [00:43:13] but the perspective that SFA, [00:43:16] as they were doing their report, [00:43:18] were talking about opportunities [00:43:22] if you're starting from a clean sheet. [00:43:25] Obviously, we have an existing facility. [00:43:27] So the maneuvering and trying to massaging [00:43:30] of the existing operations to improve upon [00:43:34] with the new programming operations [00:43:37] is a little bit more challenging. [00:43:38] But we believe in through this whole process [00:43:41] that we looked at and talking with Elaine and her staff [00:43:44] and working through all the issues [00:43:47] that we had heard over that nine months or so of design, [00:43:51] we were trying to resolve as many operational issues, [00:43:55] functional issues, image aesthetic issues, [00:43:59] to really improve the whole center overall. [00:44:03] So I want to get you back on that. [00:44:05] That addition down there that you, [00:44:08] would be a pool party room. [00:44:10] Activity rooms. [00:44:11] Yeah. [00:44:11] Why not just square that up [00:44:14] and so you don't have to mess with a load bearing wall there? [00:44:20] Well, and this one is just a standard lentil size here, [00:44:27] but we're able to gain the use of this room. [00:44:30] And essentially, this is a renovation. [00:44:32] Back to my original question. [00:44:33] That's a load bearing wall. [00:44:35] So why not just square that up on the outside [00:44:38] and not really can be concerned about that? [00:44:39] Be a lot easier building wise. [00:44:41] What about it, cheaper? [00:44:42] No, you would be adding new construction for that piece. [00:44:48] This is actually a low room. [00:44:49] So you have low ceiling height already. [00:44:51] Yeah, I understand all that part. [00:44:53] You did not answer my question. [00:44:54] That's still, you're still redoing a load bearing wall. [00:44:57] You're going to have to put some kind of structure [00:44:58] in there to support that. [00:45:00] This is cheaper, the answer is this is cheaper [00:45:03] than if we squared this off as new construction. [00:45:06] This is cheaper. [00:45:07] Right, you're getting that space already [00:45:11] by just removing the, just supporting the ceiling. [00:45:14] Well, you're right, that same wall, [00:45:16] you're putting it on the outside, [00:45:17] so you're building one wall. [00:45:19] If you just think of new construction [00:45:21] as X amount per square foot, [00:45:24] every time you add one of those square feet, [00:45:26] you're adding that 280, whatever that number is, [00:45:30] per square foot. [00:45:31] So if we add more new, it's just more than, [00:45:35] renovation is maybe $100 a square foot. [00:45:38] So that's where that delta is. [00:45:40] Yeah, the other thing that's great, [00:45:42] I mean, you have a great looking fitness. [00:45:45] Aesthetically, that room is nice. [00:45:48] It's much nicer than your Oak Room. [00:45:50] I mean, the other point to renting that is, [00:45:53] you know, when this new scenario, [00:45:56] this room is going to be just a much nicer room [00:45:58] to rent at the end of the day, [00:46:00] when you have a new flooring in there. [00:46:02] I would much rather, you know, [00:46:04] whether it's an event that deals with the pool or not, [00:46:07] it's a much nicer room. [00:46:09] So I think you're gonna see an increase [00:46:11] in just people wanting to come to a room, [00:46:13] because we've seen it in centers all over the state [00:46:17] where the room is designed nicer [00:46:20] than a room with just standard acoustical ceilings [00:46:23] that are rented out so much more [00:46:26] than your room with just acoustical. [00:46:28] So I think you'll see a bump just from that, too. [00:46:31] Did I hear, sorry, no, go ahead. [00:46:41] Yeah, yeah. [00:46:51] There's, you can come back [00:46:53] and put a low-E coating on that glass. [00:46:57] I don't believe the existing glass at the time [00:47:00] that this was constructed, [00:47:01] that that was included within that. [00:47:04] That really cuts down on your heat gain, [00:47:06] and it's just a film that can be added to the inside. [00:47:09] So just as a first step, I would do that [00:47:13] to help out your air conditioning system. [00:47:15] Yeah, beyond that, you can start to look [00:47:17] at other shading or roll-up shades [00:47:20] to do a portion of it that are still semi-transparent, [00:47:24] so you don't lose the view entirely, but not that. [00:47:28] Couple of that with the pickleball pieces [00:47:30] that they have over at the incubator. [00:47:33] Did I hear you say earlier that you would recommend [00:47:35] holding off on renovations to the pool area? [00:47:37] Well, if indeed you're looking for cost reductions, [00:47:42] that is a pretty good way to do it. [00:47:46] That is a pretty simple, easy cut that can be done in the future. [00:47:52] We believe, and again, as Hennessey advised, [00:47:57] prices are escalating. [00:48:00] Again, it's a matter of affordability, [00:48:02] what your budget would be, [00:48:04] but that's a very simple, straightforward deduct [00:48:08] that doesn't really impact the interior, [00:48:12] the building construction. [00:48:13] And then if I could ask my colleagues the question, [00:48:17] if we were to move, I believe we discussed this [00:48:20] the last time we sat down, [00:48:21] but I can't remember what the consensus was [00:48:24] regarding it gets hot on the east side in the morning, [00:48:27] it's going to get hot on the west side in the morning, [00:48:29] or in the afternoon, excuse me. [00:48:31] And if we were to approve putting the expansion [00:48:34] of the fitness center over on the west side, [00:48:37] I remember having the discussion, [00:48:38] some people a little more flamboyant [00:48:40] and like having people watch them work out, [00:48:43] and then other people aren't quite as flamboyant [00:48:45] and don't like having people watch them work out. [00:48:48] I know there was talk about putting some kind of like [00:48:50] screening up to a certain level on the glass [00:48:54] on the west side of the fitness center. [00:48:56] If we went that route, is that something we'd want to do [00:48:57] or leave it totally just where if it's, [00:49:00] the lights are on, you see everything? [00:49:03] I think our final plan had a recommendation [00:49:06] for I think a Friddy. [00:49:08] Where it kind of like starts off real dark and kind of. [00:49:10] You can see that they're working out, [00:49:12] but it's not, but you're not able to make out who it is. [00:49:17] Was that when you came to the meeting, [00:49:19] I believe it was you that had the cube glass [00:49:21] and you were showing us, that's what that was? [00:49:23] Right, so from, the farther away from it, [00:49:27] you get, you can obviously, you know, [00:49:30] see a little bit more through it, [00:49:31] but you cannot, you cannot make out who somebody is, [00:49:35] or you can just. [00:49:36] See activity. [00:49:37] See activity, yeah. [00:49:39] But it does, you know, [00:49:40] knock down the heat gain tremendously for that. [00:49:44] Knocking down the heat would be my biggest concern [00:49:47] as opposed to necessarily people seeing [00:49:50] that I was out there on a treadmill. [00:49:52] And it is the narrow part of the room, you know, [00:49:55] so there wouldn't be that many machines. [00:49:57] You're actually there, so, [00:49:59] and the same machines most likely would be, [00:50:02] you know, in another position, [00:50:03] so you can somewhat choose, you know, [00:50:05] which position if you want to look outside or you want to. [00:50:09] I guess I'm just visualizing treadmills facing west [00:50:10] at sunset, so I'm working out after work, [00:50:12] and getting blinded, you know. [00:50:14] I'm able to see the TV in front of me. [00:50:15] Yeah. [00:50:16] Actually, you know, a lot, you know, [00:50:18] a lot of times people are, you know, [00:50:20] switching up the equipment placement, you know, now, [00:50:23] so that it's not necessarily treadmills that are on the, [00:50:26] you know, because a lot of people on the treadmill [00:50:28] actually want to look and see [00:50:29] what everybody else in the room is doing. [00:50:30] So sometimes you put different types of equipment there [00:50:34] that aren't, so it's a good point to think about [00:50:38] on the equipment layout. [00:50:41] We don't have the equipment now. [00:50:42] We got the, well, we used to have the hand weights [00:50:46] and stuff on the window looking out to the pool side. [00:50:48] That didn't, you know, we got our cardio [00:50:53] up against half brick in the window settings there, [00:50:57] and then, of course, we waited long enough. [00:50:59] We ended up having to buy some new equipment [00:51:02] because we were losing people [00:51:03] because we were inactive for the last 15 months. [00:51:08] And the equipment was beginning to falter. [00:51:12] So we had, we made that first step, [00:51:14] and then depending on what our layout, [00:51:16] what we end up with, we'll drive the rest of that. [00:51:19] And also from the SFA study, from the clientele basis. [00:51:27] Again, these concepts, again, referencing the SFA study, [00:51:33] we believe are paralleling them fairly well [00:51:37] and giving you the best opportunity of operations [00:51:41] and physical space within this process. [00:51:44] Can you go to your ledger sheet [00:51:46] and then what your construction time, and then? [00:51:48] Next slide, again, just shows those images [00:51:50] that we're reinforcing that. [00:51:52] This was a fact sheet that Elaine was able to discuss [00:51:57] with the Highland people over in Largo very quickly [00:52:01] when they opened, square footage of the center, [00:52:04] the project cost, the indoor playground, [00:52:08] what they added, the annual attendance, [00:52:11] and the revenue, the annual revenue from that play tenants. [00:52:15] Jason mentioned earlier that they charge daily per child. [00:52:20] It is a, and again, Elaine, [00:52:22] you've had more of the conversation. [00:52:24] It's been a huge revenue generator for them. [00:52:29] So to the next slide. [00:52:31] I think if you're looking at payback here [00:52:33] in a three-year period. [00:52:35] Just amazing. [00:52:37] Yeah, anything I can do. [00:52:40] Largo, a lot different. [00:52:41] There's ages. [00:52:42] No doubt. [00:52:43] Probably 15, 20 years difference. [00:52:46] I wouldn't go that far, Mr. Davis. [00:52:48] I don't think I'd drive it that far [00:52:50] because I don't think you can take [00:52:52] your demographics to that point. [00:52:54] I don't think everyone down in Largo's 35 years old. [00:52:58] I don't think that's the case. [00:52:59] I think there's a lot of money. [00:53:01] At least 10. [00:53:02] The good thing that you all have going for you [00:53:04] is that you're actually drawing from, [00:53:07] you don't have as much competition [00:53:08] from neighboring municipalities. [00:53:11] So Largo's a fairly small municipality, [00:53:14] but they have other municipalities [00:53:16] that are directly next door with similar conditions. [00:53:19] They also have a lot larger private sector [00:53:21] competing with them. [00:53:24] Mark, you wanna walk through this? [00:53:26] Yep, definitely. [00:53:27] So the first number, like we've said, [00:53:29] I just kinda wanna go down into the detail on that number. [00:53:33] That was more than just a budget that we put together. [00:53:36] That was, we took the final design last year. [00:53:40] We sent it out to the subcontractors. [00:53:43] We held an onsite pre-bid meeting. [00:53:45] We had a schedule that had the phasing [00:53:48] that was necessary to keep everything operational [00:53:51] while we did the construction. [00:53:53] Took the bids and put them together [00:53:55] to make the 2,384,487 guaranteed maximum price proposal [00:54:01] that we were ready to go to contract [00:54:03] and go to construction with. [00:54:04] So that was, at the time, a competitively bid number [00:54:09] that included the complete design. [00:54:11] Now, what we've looked at is how could we reduce that number [00:54:16] and take components off that didn't affect [00:54:19] the internal operation of the fitness center. [00:54:22] So as we said on one of the other slides, [00:54:24] if you take the drop-off drive-in out [00:54:27] with the canopy at the front, [00:54:29] that saves you 385,912. [00:54:33] And then if you take out all the pool amenities, [00:54:36] that's another 279,069. [00:54:40] And then at one iteration of the design, [00:54:43] there was a small step that went between the two, [00:54:45] the fitness center and the childcare. [00:54:46] If you take that out and just make them separate rooms, [00:54:48] which I think was one of the final recommendations, [00:54:53] it's another $1,900 in savings. [00:54:54] So doing that at last year's dollars, [00:54:58] that would get us down to 1,717,543. [00:55:05] On the bottom, the escalation we project could happen [00:55:09] based on the 1,000,007 number is another 85,000. [00:55:13] So if you just took those items out and went out right now, [00:55:18] it would be 1,017,543 plus a potential cost [00:55:23] as escalation of the 85,877. [00:55:27] And then we looked at a couple other ideas [00:55:29] that maybe down here on the bottom [00:55:31] are some kind of decision-making points. [00:55:34] If you want to add just the canopy back in at the front, [00:55:37] you can take out the drive, [00:55:38] but if you want to just add the canopy back in, [00:55:40] that was, you would add back $93,000 to that number. [00:55:44] If you wanted to completely eliminate [00:55:46] the activity rooms on the back, [00:55:48] not the big multipurpose room, [00:55:50] but if you wanted to not do the activity rooms, [00:55:53] you could save another 169,085. [00:55:56] And then we've already discussed bumping out [00:55:59] the existing fitness room, that 1,184. [00:56:08] Yes, yes. [00:56:09] So what's that saying is, [00:56:11] let's say you didn't want to do the drive at the front, [00:56:13] but you still wanted that canopy [00:56:15] that went along the front of the building for some rain, [00:56:18] that you would add that back in. [00:56:19] But yes, that number is included in the 385 D-duct. [00:56:22] So we could use the D-duct covered, [00:56:28] and that would reduce the 3,592 by 93,000? [00:56:33] Right, yes. [00:56:35] Yes, that's true. [00:56:36] A lot of numbers here. [00:56:38] Yeah, and again, we pulled these off of the design. [00:56:42] They were for decision-making purposes. [00:56:44] Obviously, this would, whatever direction the design goes, [00:56:47] would be re-bid to the market, [00:56:49] and then we'd find out what the actual cost would be. [00:56:54] So the next slide, just to wrap up, [00:56:57] then actually just talks about [00:56:58] what a potential schedule would be. [00:57:01] And the bar chart at the top, it shows the overall, [00:57:07] the top bar is the overall construction [00:57:09] and pre-construction, [00:57:11] but pre-construction would be a couple of months. [00:57:15] That would include design and documentation, [00:57:17] so we have to go back, [00:57:18] and depending on the changes that you recommend, [00:57:22] is re-documented and re-submitted. [00:57:25] The permitting and the bidding and GMP award [00:57:29] could be running parallel, almost. [00:57:32] About the bidding and award would take a little longer, [00:57:35] but getting it through permitting [00:57:37] would be about another month, [00:57:40] getting us through the Thanksgiving holidays. [00:57:42] And if indeed the bids came in, [00:57:45] the GMP and we could award it, [00:57:47] the thought would be construction start [00:57:50] potentially by the end of the year. [00:57:55] So in essence, to capitalize, [00:57:58] 24 months later than when we initially planned, [00:58:02] starting back when we first started kicking this around. [00:58:05] Yeah, if we had gone and done something last year [00:58:08] when we had these numbers, we'd be in the building. [00:58:10] Yeah, we'd have some phase of it done at the moment, [00:58:15] because we're the ones who forced the 2.3 to 1.7, [00:58:21] because we sat up here as a group, got sticker shock, [00:58:25] because we just coming off of doing Sims Park, [00:58:28] and trying to figure out how we can reutilize this facility [00:58:37] since we own it, and it was developed, [00:58:40] and we really don't think we need to shutter it. [00:58:44] And you can't continue to scale back [00:58:46] and get incremental marginal return, [00:58:49] and that's what, and we went through the, [00:58:52] let's get a market plan and let's do all that, [00:58:54] and then it's taking us out. [00:58:55] So basically, if we were to start something, [00:58:59] and depending where your numbers are, [00:59:02] we're basically 24 months down the road [00:59:05] from where we were previously [00:59:07] to put them back into quasi full operations, [00:59:12] but also have them operating five or six months [00:59:16] before their main market would get here, [00:59:18] which is the summertime. [00:59:19] So that's kind of why I just want to make sure [00:59:22] I capsulize what you're talking about [00:59:24] on your construction line, as well as the way it stages out. [00:59:31] If you finish that first phase or that first element, [00:59:35] and you had those others on the side, [00:59:37] basically you're looking at a, [00:59:40] you'd be going into a new capital, [00:59:42] or you'd go, excuse me, [00:59:43] you'd be going to a new physical budget [00:59:45] at the end of that September timeframe. [00:59:47] You'd be entering the 17, yeah, 17, 18 timeframe. [00:59:56] Okay, all right, just wanted to make sure. [00:59:58] So. [01:00:00] Absolutely. [01:00:01] Sure. [01:00:02] Well, like I said, when we took this out to bid, we spent probably, we had a superintendent [01:00:15] and project manager spent several weeks up here, going through the building, and the [01:00:19] goal and the direction we were given is that we would never shut down the operation. [01:00:23] The way we would phase it, had to make sure the facility was always operational, and it [01:00:28] was always safe, that the construction was isolated from the public and the staff, so [01:00:34] there wouldn't be any. [01:00:35] In other words, this schedule anticipates that you build the new fitness center and [01:00:41] get it ready and relocate it before you take the old fitness center out of operation. [01:00:48] So that's how we had it planned. [01:00:50] I know all of us had a lot of sticker shock last year with the total thing, but now that [01:00:56] we've seen Sims Park, and let's admit it, we went out on one heck of a limb when we [01:01:02] approved building that, but it's proof that if you don't cheap out and you do it right [01:01:09] to start with, it will be a big draw. [01:01:15] I'm more inclined actually to go with the full project, more so than the scaled back [01:01:24] one. [01:01:25] I think if we start clipping and cutting and dropping this stuff here and there, I don't [01:01:33] know that we wind up with what we want. [01:01:36] I certainly am open to discussion with my colleagues about the parking and the awning, [01:01:44] but I think the main project as far as the building and the rooms and all that, and actually [01:01:52] quite frankly the pool deck and amenities, I think those go together. [01:01:56] We need to do that if we're going to do this right. [01:01:59] Mr. Mayor, I have two questions. [01:02:02] One, range out for me the cost savings that we had on Sims Park. [01:02:08] You mean the final return cost savings after the project was approved? [01:02:14] As a team, and we have contractual obligations, you allowed us as a city to take over a couple [01:02:27] of the purchasing elements which saved Florida sales tax, so there was some savings there. [01:02:36] I don't remember if we had in and outs, but at the end of the day, there was a savings [01:02:44] from this group working, and I don't remember what that is. [01:02:48] We had a contingency built into the guaranteed maximum price on Sims Park that we didn't [01:02:53] spend all of the money, and you're right, we had sales tax, I don't remember, was that [01:03:02] $25,000? [01:03:03] I can give you a recap, but you're right, and I know at the very end of the job, when [01:03:09] everything was said and done, there was $19,000 returned. [01:03:15] I know that we had savings incremental. [01:03:16] The other is, the question was asked, and you answered it, that you designed your construction [01:03:22] schedule to not shut down elements. [01:03:26] That's the reason you had 194 days. [01:03:30] So to ask the devil's advocate question, if I had to close something down because I get [01:03:36] the ability to finish it and put it back into service, one, is there a cost savings [01:03:46] because you're not spreading it out? [01:03:48] I know we haven't given you the final elements, but that one, and if we had to close something [01:03:56] down for two weeks, or three weeks, or whatever it was, do you from your expert opinion, from [01:04:07] what you've worked with, is there an element of savings there? [01:04:13] Because obviously, making it safe, making it operational, trying to do it within the [01:04:18] current confines, I don't want somebody to come up after the fact and say, well, did [01:04:22] you ask them if you could do it in 135 days, and you told them this was going to be closed [01:04:28] off, and you had to give a discount for this and all that? [01:04:32] What's the net benefit? [01:04:33] It's in and out, in and out of my way, done, turned, back open. [01:04:40] So I'm asking that from some of the questions. [01:04:42] There definitely would be a savings if the overall duration of the project was shorter, [01:04:47] just from the management. [01:04:48] But what you've got to be careful is, if you don't shut down operations that are basically [01:04:53] on the critical path of the schedule, then it doesn't really shorten your project time. [01:04:58] So you'd almost have to shut off the majority of the facility to capture any real savings. [01:05:06] I still think this is a better balance between the savings of shutting it down, you still [01:05:11] get to be operational, and it really is only a small portion of additional time. [01:05:18] Just to add, that savings is also weighed against, we've done a lot of projects with [01:05:24] private sector and YMCA type fitness centers that they basically allocated. [01:05:30] If they have their fitness center shut down for more than two weeks, they can see a 10% [01:05:38] loss, and if it's a month, they'll see a 15%. [01:05:42] That goes pretty exponential with the fitness in particular, just because there's other [01:05:47] competition. [01:05:48] Pretty significant revenue loss. [01:05:50] That's an offset for the savings on time, is the revenue loss. [01:05:55] And maybe membership loss. [01:05:57] So if we approve this, I'm prepared to get beat up over it. [01:06:00] I mean, I am. [01:06:01] We're going to get beat up. [01:06:02] You know, fiscal spending, fiscal responsibility. [01:06:06] I got beat up severely during the Sims Park renovation. [01:06:11] I got beat up because we shut down two roads. [01:06:14] Why not just shut down Grand Boulevard and leave Circle open? [01:06:18] And I'm prepared for it because I think we're making the right decisions. [01:06:21] To me, this is more than just throwing money into the rec center. [01:06:25] It's so much more than that. [01:06:26] Like Debbie said, it's about revenue generation and quality of life. [01:06:30] We're building upscale apartments around Sims Park. [01:06:33] Everyone that I talked to, even the people that beat us up over it, absolutely love Sims [01:06:37] Park. [01:06:38] I had sticker shock the day we started, the day we approved it. [01:06:42] I had sticker shock the day, still, the day it opened. [01:06:44] I no longer have sticker shock seeing the results. [01:06:49] We're building high-end apartments around Orange Lake. [01:06:51] We're continuing either apartments or condos at Main Street Landings. [01:06:57] We're trying to attract young families and millennials to live in our downtown where [01:07:00] they don't have to leave. [01:07:02] That's the whole point. [01:07:03] That's why Frank Starkey's here. [01:07:04] Trying to recruit families and people that want to be able to, other than driving outside [01:07:08] to work, in a lot of cases, they would still have to, everything they need is right here. [01:07:15] To me, it's one more, and I said this during the first time we met on this, it's one more [01:07:19] piece of the puzzle. [01:07:20] We're not just throwing money away just to throw it away. [01:07:25] To me, it's a strategic move that's going to pay off. [01:07:28] I think Sims Park was a strategic move that did pay off. [01:07:31] I think Kimley, Horne, and Hennessy did a fantastic job with that project. [01:07:36] They've earned my trust and my faith in both companies. [01:07:41] It's a heck of a lot of money, and like the mayor was just saying, I'm going back and [01:07:45] forth in my head. [01:07:46] Do we need that drop-off area? [01:07:47] Do we need the covered entry area? [01:07:49] Do we do the pool now? [01:07:52] We talked about maybe shutting down Circle Boulevard at a later date after we completed [01:07:55] Sims Park, too, in initial talks, and hindsight being 40-40, as Mr. Phillips put it. [01:08:01] I'm so glad we didn't. [01:08:02] You have to spend money to make money, and I know this is an exorbitant amount of money. [01:08:05] I don't take this decision lightly, but I think it continues with the positive steps [01:08:12] that we're making as a city. [01:08:15] I just think it's going to help recruit the families and the demographic that we want [01:08:18] living here, because if we don't improve it, it's going to continue to head south like [01:08:24] it had been up until, in my opinion, five or six years ago, our city as a whole. [01:08:29] We're seeing positive steps based on decisions that staff's making, that I think the current [01:08:34] Council's making, and, yeah, I'm going to roll with it, I believe. [01:08:39] I just want to discuss with my colleagues as to how much of it we want to roll with [01:08:45] if it is approved. [01:08:46] Any thoughts? [01:08:47] Well, I do, but it's at the same point. [01:09:09] It's not a specific amount of money, but at $385,000, that's a significant amount of money. [01:10:10] I was kind of hoping we would be able to snag just a little bit of money. [01:10:14] Anyway, I'm leaning towards going with you. [01:10:43] Councilman Davis? [01:10:44] I am definitely not for this project, in the sense that it is. [01:10:51] I like the idea of expanding the fitness room out to the existing sidewalk, doubling the [01:10:59] space there. [01:11:00] I'm also interested in building the built part on the north side of the building, so [01:11:08] they have rooms for the parties and stuff. [01:11:13] I did some research, and I'll pass these around, and then I'll explain what they are. [01:11:20] This is the usage of Rec Center now, and the rooms that are already in there. [01:11:30] The amount of time that we utilized, that were open, which is somewhere in the 350, [01:11:36] you know, depends on the amount of days of the month. [01:11:40] The birch rooms used 31% in January, oak room 9%, and the conference room, or the game rooms, [01:11:49] when I put them in there, I only put the hours, because if I did it in a percentage there, [01:11:55] it would be so small, it wouldn't make any difference. [01:11:58] So we're really not utilizing the space as it is right now for rental, for whatever. [01:12:06] I have a minus, the quilt show, because the quilt show and some of the activities overlapped. [01:12:12] They said the quilt show was in the oak room and the birch room, and yet there was activities [01:12:16] going on, like karate and things. [01:12:20] So I minused out that, the quilt show, that weekend of the quilt show. [01:12:25] I also minused out employee meetings, the election day, because it was again overlapping, [01:12:31] and WSI classes. [01:12:33] So any time there's a minus there, I didn't include those, and same election day, again [01:12:38] in April, and water safety classes. [01:12:41] I did on September include the day that leadership pascal was there, and I did include that convention [01:12:49] that was in there, and that's with the 10 hours in the oak room, and then the 8 hours [01:12:54] in the oak room and the birch room. [01:12:58] But and then, you know, I show you the conference room and the game room. [01:13:01] So we have three large rooms that we are not even at 50%, close to 40% utilizing in [01:13:11] the time that it's open. [01:13:12] So you know, we're not using them. [01:13:16] I'd like the idea of putting the expansion of the pool for the pool rooms and expanding [01:13:22] out, but that would probably be something in the area of, you know, under a half a million [01:13:26] dollars of expense, and that's something. [01:13:29] We had 200 people here a week ago, a couple weeks ago, saying, you know, we don't want [01:13:34] to spend $50 a year to redo the main arteries of our roads in here, and I just cannot put [01:13:45] 1.7 plus 5%, you know, 1.8, 1.9 million dollars into a project when I have 200 people show [01:13:53] up and say, we need streets, but we don't want to spend $50 a year for five years. [01:13:58] So I can't touch this at that price. [01:14:02] My two options are expansion where it exists now and add that pool room. [01:14:08] If I could open it up. [01:14:09] Do we have anybody in the audience that's been sitting listening to this that's interested [01:14:12] in any input? [01:14:16] Seeing nobody, I'll bring back, Deputy Mayor, you want to? [01:14:21] Well, I mean, you know, obviously we, this football's been kicked around a lot. [01:14:28] It's been like the Buccaneers, it's been 10 yards forward, 15 back, 10 yards forward. [01:14:33] What's this? [01:14:34] We mix apples and oranges about an overreach on a paving assessment plan, and everybody [01:14:42] likes the plan you have for your main streets, but they don't talk about arterials. [01:14:46] So we got two, we've got these numbers, and I appreciate this, but that's the reason we [01:14:52] delayed this nine, 10 months so that we could have another expert come in and tell us, because [01:14:59] we [01:15:00] on them. [01:15:01] I've sat through a number of meetings here over the last couple of years when we've talked [01:15:05] about things and we've all had an opinion, but then someone turned around and said, you're [01:15:10] the expert. [01:15:11] You tell us what we ought to do. [01:15:13] Stuff out on 19 and all that. [01:15:15] At the end of the day, we all have a vote. [01:15:18] We all have the ability to give our opinions. [01:15:22] If we've used the facility on a regular basis, we automatically know what some of the shortcomings [01:15:28] are and we have to identify what those are, which we've done, I think, over and over again. [01:15:35] We had C.T. [01:15:36] Bowen come in and try to tell us how to run our city and if parks and recs, but I think [01:15:44] Sims has proven it's an economic generator. [01:15:47] We also know that if we're trying to bring that demographic down, we're going to need [01:15:51] to have things like this. [01:15:53] The hospital is actually turning their front door from Madison, going to be looking up [01:16:03] the hill at eventually, one of these days, they're going to take down a lot of those [01:16:07] homes, so we're trying to add those points and yes, we aren't marketing these effectively [01:16:14] because we've given start-stop messages for the last 20 months. [01:16:20] Yes, we're going to do it. [01:16:23] No, we're not. [01:16:24] Yes, we're going to do it. [01:16:25] We made it through. [01:16:26] We almost didn't have a very good summer program because they didn't know if we were starting [01:16:30] or stopping and then we criticized the revenue stream. [01:16:35] Over and above that, wherever we get to tonight, we have to look at it as an integral part [01:16:42] of not only economic development, quality of life, and the ability to make decisions [01:16:50] and move forward. [01:16:52] I expect us to sharpen our pencils in a couple of areas, but over and above that, I just [01:16:57] think it's time that we find the components we like. [01:17:01] I think you can delay on the pool things until the following fiscal year because by the time [01:17:06] you get done with this, you're going to be right before 10-1. [01:17:12] As you finish up through the spring and the first part of budgeting, you're going to be [01:17:17] able to dovetail. [01:17:18] We're going to come back to you. [01:17:20] I don't know that we have to put it all on the hopper. [01:17:23] I like the driveway. [01:17:26] I like those other elements, but at the end of the day, it's kind of like lead, follow, [01:17:32] or get the heck out of the way. [01:17:35] Let's move it forward in some fashion or form and make a motion or get it set up and to [01:17:42] do a vote and go from there. [01:17:44] I have to do that at a regular meeting, obviously, since this is a work session, but I think [01:17:50] I've made myself clear. [01:17:51] My inclination is we ought to do the whole project if we can come up with a way of doing [01:17:56] it. [01:17:57] I'll leave that to you and Crystal to figure out how that goes. [01:18:02] Ironically, this printout kind of points me into that direction as well because it just [01:18:08] goes back to prove that we're not maximizing the potential of this facility based on its [01:18:13] current layout. [01:18:14] These two rooms that are referenced here are going to be hopefully packed with people using [01:18:18] the gym and their kids next door rather than be rented out 30% of the month, 26% of the [01:18:24] month. [01:18:25] I know we're not making a motion, but I think with the mayor on this one, but I would hold [01:18:31] off probably on the I do want to have the driveway and the covered driveway and all [01:18:39] that. [01:18:40] I just think it's extremely important both with elderly and with school drop-offs and [01:18:46] school buses and things like that. [01:18:48] I would propose once we get to the voting stage to hold off on it. [01:18:52] It just makes no sense to me to put all that money in the pool and then have it done right [01:18:57] when winter's starting. [01:18:58] So, I mean, put that off a little bit longer, but that's until, like you said, that's kind [01:19:02] of totally separate from the rest of the renovation. [01:19:05] The thing I'd like to point out about that, and this really put Mark on the spot, if indeed [01:19:12] the pool, and it's a pretty simple thing to pull out, but I'm not sure what mobilization [01:19:19] and coming back will add to that. [01:19:22] Was that in that? [01:19:23] There would be an added cost, but you'd have to see what the scope of the, and what you [01:19:27] would come back with at a later date. [01:19:28] If we were doing the pool as part of the project, would it be feasible for that to [01:19:35] be finished before we hit the pool season in the spring? [01:19:39] Yeah, it's independent of the other buildings. [01:19:42] Yeah, you could start that right away. [01:19:45] Because you're going into the dead season on the pool. [01:19:49] And the nice thing about that, those are almost, you're not on top of each other, so you could [01:19:55] be doing the pool work actually while you're doing the building work. [01:19:58] We'd have the pool open with the renovations before the rest of the center upgrades. [01:20:04] And I'm not the contractor, but if this is feasible, it would make sense to me to work [01:20:08] on that activity room on the southwest corner and the pool. [01:20:11] So both of those are open for next summer, if possible. [01:20:14] Councilman? [01:20:15] I like the floor details and where the money's coming from, where the cost is coming from. [01:20:23] Absolutely. [01:20:24] Councilman, you had a comment? [01:20:26] I was told several times that my phone blew up that I have a microphone tonight, so I [01:20:30] need to express myself a little bit louder. [01:20:32] So I just want to go ahead and reiterate what I had said, that I think that each of these [01:20:39] components makes sense to put the fitness center up front and have the child care or [01:20:45] child watch area adjacent to it. [01:20:48] What the addition of the swapping out the room, that back area, the activity room, creates [01:20:55] a synergy with the pool area. [01:20:58] I dare say that I'm thinking that with these additions, we may well find that there is [01:21:06] an uptick in the use of the pool to the point that we may not be able to close in the winter. [01:21:13] We've got snowbirds that come down that think nothing of, they question me, I want to go [01:21:19] to the pool. [01:21:20] They can't because it's closed. [01:21:22] So I'm thinking that what happened with Sims Park, we built it, they come, it has changed [01:21:30] the demographics of our downtown, the look of our downtown, the feel of our downtown, [01:21:34] and I think the same similar thing is going to happen with the pool. [01:21:36] Thank you. [01:21:37] The only other thing is that obviously you always need a plan before you can execute, [01:21:43] and the other question is, if we decide on the elements, we ought to at least check out [01:21:49] any other grant funding opportunities that we can run after in a short window. [01:21:55] I know it's a short window because we've walked ourselves into it, but it's only because we've [01:22:00] kept moving pieces around. [01:22:03] So it might be an exercise in futility, but I'd like to make sure that once we have the [01:22:08] components that you're able to run it up the flagpole, whether it's state, federal, state [01:22:16] recreational, whatever, and if you need to, get your economic development director on [01:22:21] board and let him tell you what the drive is for that, since he seems to find money [01:22:25] on the historical side. [01:22:28] Maybe he can take a couple hours out and rock and roll on this too, because it'd be really [01:22:32] nice if we did this and all of a sudden we found, or we were able to acquire dollars [01:22:38] because we've already put ours up, and we've got a physical plan in place, because they [01:22:45] always want to see that before they're willing to let you look at it. [01:22:48] Someone approached me at a lunch meeting I was at, asking if the city had ever looked [01:22:54] into new market tax credits, and I said we had during Hacienda when we first looked. [01:23:00] When Jim O'Lang was here with BMO, he was a huge guy, and we walked down those tax credit [01:23:10] elements, yes. [01:23:11] Something we could possibly pursue, or it'd just take too long to even apply, and there's [01:23:15] $8 billion out there, is what I was told today. [01:23:17] I'm not certain that this would be an eligible project, but I'll verify that. [01:23:21] Do you have enough direction to? [01:23:24] I do, Mr. Mayor. [01:23:27] Given that I think most of us are having a fairly short budget meeting tomorrow night, [01:23:35] we'll go ahead and do communications and reports tonight, if anybody's got some they'd like [01:23:41] to share. [01:23:42] Mr. Stark? [01:23:43] I have none tonight, thank you. [01:23:44] Mr. Davis? [01:23:45] No, I have nothing. [01:23:46] I'm sorry. [01:23:47] Okay. [01:23:48] I just had one item. [01:23:49] A local attorney by the name of Russell G. Marlowe donated a bike repair stand to the [01:24:06] county, and it was about $1,600. [01:24:10] It's out at the Suncoast Parkway and 54, if you happen to drive by it, check it out. [01:24:16] Apparently about $1,600, and it's got all the tools so if you break your bike, you can [01:24:21] fix it right there. [01:24:25] The suggestion was made that the county may well go looking for some more businesses to [01:24:32] sponsor installing these things, and I would think we ought to at least take a look at [01:24:39] it again if we can get local businesses to sponsor the things. [01:24:45] Might be nice. [01:24:46] And I know we've got bike routes and paths and other stuff going in, so I'll toss that [01:24:52] out. [01:24:53] I emailed Ms. Manns a picture of it. [01:24:57] I have the flyer as well, I'll pass over. [01:25:00] I thought you were going to say that that was a brother talent. [01:25:04] Not yet, but I fully expect it. [01:25:08] Deputy Mayor, anything? [01:25:09] No, nothing. [01:25:10] Thank you. [01:25:11] Ms. Manns? [01:25:12] Nothing this evening, Mr. Mayor. [01:25:13] In that case, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. [01:25:14] Moved to adjourn. [01:25:15] Thank you. [01:25:16] You beat Bill to it.

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3. 3Adjournment