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   Proposed 2016-2017 Capital Improvement Program

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   Staff presented the proposed FY 2016-2017 five-year Capital Improvement Program, walking through projects by funding source including General Fund (Penny for Pasco), Stormwater Utility Fund, and others. Discussion covered city hall renovations, recreation center improvements, bollard replacement at Cote River Park, shade shelters at Jasmine and Graham Boulevard parks, future pool projects, and stormwater flood control projects. Council raised questions about table calculation errors, P1/P2 Penny for Pasco accounting, and use of carryover funds for stormwater leveraging with SWFWMD grants.

   • direction:Council directed staff to prepare a full overview of how Penny for Pasco (P1) funds were used over the ten-year period to demonstrate accountability to the electorate. (none)
   • direction:Staff to correct calculation/footing errors in the General Fund summary table (five-year totals not adding correctly). (none)
   • consensus:Council open to scheduling an additional work session to complete CIP review rather than rushing through. (none)

   📍Briar Patch📍Cote River Park📍Graham Boulevard Park📍Jasmine Park📍Mass Ave📍Sims Park📍SunWest Mines📍Warren Avenue🏢SWFWMD👤Bill👤Councilman Bulff👤Crystal👤Ms. Fischer👤Ms. Manz👤Robert👤Wendy Brenner#2015-16 Stormwater Improvement Projects#2016-2017 Capital Improvement Program#50-meter pool project#City Hall Renovations#Miscellaneous flood control and water quality projects#Pavement assessment#Penny for Pasco (P1 and P2)#Pool resurfacing#Recreation Center Improvements#Shelter and Shade Improvement Project#Stormwater Master Plan#Stormwater Utility Fund#Stormwater utility fee ($77.36 assessment)#Water slide project

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   [00:00:17] Here. [00:00:18] The item on the agenda is the proposed 2016-2017 Capital Improvement Program, Ms. Manz. [00:00:26] With that, Mr. Mayor, the City's Capital Improvement Program is a five-year plan for [00:00:31] physical public improvements. [00:00:34] The CIP provides a forecast of funds available for capital projects and identifies all planned [00:00:40] capital improvement projects and their estimated costs over a five-year period. [00:00:46] The first year's program in the CIP will ultimately be adopted by you as the capital budget as [00:00:54] the counterpart to the annual operating budget. [00:00:58] Although fiscal resources are appropriated only in the first year of the CIP, the succeeding [00:01:04] four years of the CIP are important in providing a longer-term plan for setting spending priorities, [00:01:10] scheduling projects in a logical sequence, and coordinating and targeting capital improvement [00:01:16] projects for all city departments. [00:01:19] With that being said, I'd like to initiate a presentation for you this evening related [00:01:26] to the proposed fiscal year 2016-17 five-year capital project, and we're going to do that [00:01:35] by funding source. [00:01:37] Crystal, you want to get started on the first? [00:01:42] So Robert and I will be presenting the capital improvement projects to you. [00:01:48] We thought that it would be best just to go through it page by page. [00:01:54] You'll see that there's a schedule or a table that will summarize the projects by fund, [00:02:02] and then the following pages include more of a detailed description of each project [00:02:07] and the source of funding and schedule to complete the project. [00:02:14] So with that, as we reach each fund, I also have a revenue schedule or table to go over [00:02:25] just to provide you an updated summary of the revenue estimates for that fund to show [00:02:32] you that we do have the funding in place to cover the projects that we're proposing this [00:02:37] evening. [00:02:38] Oh, sorry. [00:02:39] All right. [00:02:40] All right. [00:02:41] So I will, if we can start, actually, the first schedule is a summary of projects by [00:02:49] fund for the general fund, and that one is the schedule in purple. [00:02:56] You'll see that we have a number of capital improvement projects that are going to be [00:03:02] funded by Penny for PASCO within the general fund. [00:03:08] The first department, our related capital improvement project is a development-related [00:03:15] project, and it's the city hall renovations. [00:03:18] This includes replacing or updating the wall blocks throughout the building and the carpeting [00:03:26] throughout the building. [00:03:28] This was a project that was originally budgeted for fiscal year 16, but it was moved to fiscal [00:03:36] year 17 because of just timing. [00:03:40] It was better suited to be completed in fiscal year 17. [00:03:44] Can you confirm if it was P1 or P2 money? [00:03:49] I presume it's P1 since it carried over, because P2 didn't go into effect until January of [00:03:59] this year. [00:04:00] So, at the end of it, we probably, at a later date, need to do a full overview of the ten [00:04:13] years of what P1 was used for, for two reasons. [00:04:18] One, because we promised the electorate that we would do that. [00:04:23] And number two, I want to follow through with what we promised, and so that if anybody ever [00:04:29] asks us, we can point to all the things that we used P1 for, and that we exhausted those [00:04:36] funds and we didn't carry them over for another 24 or 36 months, because it gives the impression [00:04:44] that we weren't prepared, and number two, that we had discretion with those dollars [00:04:52] and we should be done within the first ten years, ten and a half years of those dollars. [00:04:59] And the only reason is, that particular fund is very close to my heart, because I spent [00:05:04] a year and a half of my life trying to help get that in place, and we want to be good [00:05:12] stewards front and back of those dollars, so thanks. [00:05:22] The next set of projects are under Recreation and Aquatics. [00:05:28] There is recreation center improvements, which includes updating the wall panels in [00:05:35] the actual rec center, refurbishing gym floor, roof resealing, and resurfacing of the outdoor [00:05:42] basketball courts. [00:05:44] Funds for those are allocated, are budgeted for future fiscal years, fiscal year 18, 20, [00:05:52] and 21. [00:05:54] Next is addition of bollards in Cody River Park. [00:05:59] Bollards. [00:06:00] They're parking posts. [00:06:03] Those things you run into if you don't stop. [00:06:07] Those are the things that they have, the posts that are in the ground. [00:06:14] Ms. Manns, isn't that for the electrical, the bollards? [00:06:18] No. [00:06:19] It's not. [00:06:20] No? [00:06:21] No. [00:06:22] They're not internally illuminated, so they can have electricity attached to them. [00:06:25] Yeah, I thought I read somewhere where it was scattered at the park, but it had something [00:06:32] to do with electrical, as needed. [00:06:40] That is the proposal, yes. [00:06:45] The recreation director can respond to the question. [00:06:50] I think what she'll tell you is that they're updated. [00:06:53] Yes, thank you. [00:06:56] The wooden bollards, they're wooden. [00:06:59] They've been there for, I've been here over 10 years. [00:07:03] They've been here longer than that. [00:07:04] They've been hit numerous times by cars. [00:07:05] Those are the aesthetic ones along. [00:07:08] You need to be clear that you talk about bollards, and we're thinking of the ones that close [00:07:14] off the extension of the circle. [00:07:18] That's exactly what you're asking for. [00:07:20] These are the ones that are decorative along Graham Boulevard that were installed when [00:07:27] Wendy Brenner was mayor, and they did the sidewalk that runs all the way from the park [00:07:35] all the way to Mass Ave. [00:07:37] Replace them with the same thing? [00:07:38] What are we doing? [00:07:39] Correct. [00:07:40] They're the ones on Cote River Park, and we had looked at replacing them with a metal [00:07:45] type of a bollard that is more of a nautical look, so they would be more attractive, but [00:07:51] they're also a safety feature because the picnic shelters are so close to the roadway. [00:07:56] We've had numerous cars go through those bollards, and that was the last thing to stop people [00:08:00] before they hit the river. [00:08:01] When was that park put in, Cote River Park, down by Swetman? [00:08:06] Possibly around 2004, something like that. [00:08:09] I've been here since 6, and it was here. [00:08:12] It was after we moved into our house because it used to be great entertainment to hear [00:08:16] the screeching tires and the splashes as the cars would miss a curve and wind up in the [00:08:22] drink, and that stopped rather abruptly when the bollards were put in. [00:08:26] Now you just hear the screeching tires and the thud as they hit the bollards. [00:08:33] That's a safety issue for people coming out to Graham Boulevard. [00:08:35] Yes, it really is. [00:08:36] It's kept cars out of the drink. [00:08:39] Correct. [00:08:41] Okay. [00:08:50] The next project is the Shelter and Shade Improvement Project, which includes engineering [00:08:57] and construction. [00:08:58] Where's this? [00:09:03] It's at the two parks, at Jasmine Park and at Graham Boulevard Park. [00:09:07] The shade shelters would be similar to what we have in Sims Park to try to get some kind [00:09:12] of consistency. [00:09:13] So you're going to have one at Jasmine Park? [00:09:17] I believe that's what the proposal is, yes, sir. [00:09:20] And what's the other park? [00:09:21] I'm sorry? [00:09:22] Graham Boulevard. [00:09:23] Yeah, there's no shelter at all at Jasmine, and no shade. [00:09:28] Graham Boulevard Park is one way of the river. [00:09:31] The river ran across the river? [00:09:37] Correct. [00:09:38] It's right there before the Graham Boulevard Bridge. [00:09:40] One is a picnic shelter. [00:09:42] That's Jasmine, which is new. [00:09:44] And the shade structures of the playground at Graham Boulevard, because we don't have [00:09:47] one in that playground, is not necessarily utilized because it's so hot in the sun. [00:09:53] And they would be similar to what we have at Sims Park. [00:09:55] So the shade structure for the ground would be the... [00:09:59] The sails. [00:10:00] The sails. [00:10:01] Yes, sir. [00:10:02] So it would all match. [00:10:03] Yes, sir. [00:10:04] Could we just go back to the bollards for a minute? [00:10:06] In the paper, Crystal, it's showing 250,000. [00:10:12] In our summary of projects, it's showing 180,000. [00:10:15] Yes, it's 180. [00:10:18] The amount in the table, 180, is the correct amount. [00:10:22] Thank you. [00:10:23] Thank you. [00:10:31] Thank you. [00:10:54] The next... [00:10:55] Next, we'll go over the summary. [00:10:57] I'm sorry, Ms. Fischer. [00:10:58] Sure. [00:10:59] So in the bottom of the chart, the purple chart, outside of the numbers in column one, [00:11:05] it says 930,000 at the bottom. [00:11:08] Yes. [00:11:09] So what is that representing? [00:11:11] The totals of those... [00:11:14] The column there? [00:11:17] The column starting with the renovations? [00:11:20] Yeah, with the... [00:11:22] That was recently updated, and it doesn't look like it fit it correctly. [00:11:28] Yeah, because those figures... [00:11:31] 480. [00:11:32] 680. [00:11:33] 680. [00:11:34] 480. [00:11:39] There, but further along... [00:11:41] Like Dave, the movie, we just found $250,000, so... [00:11:45] Well, further along, though... [00:11:47] Yeah, further along, it'll be spent twice, but I mean, right now, I feel like I'm ahead of the game. [00:11:53] But what I mean to say is that the five-year total, I don't know how we get to that number. [00:12:00] So... [00:12:01] $1,267,000? [00:12:03] That won't be right. [00:12:04] It won't be right now, if we've changed fiscal year 16-17. [00:12:08] Right, as well as... [00:12:10] 2021 doesn't look very good either. [00:12:13] Well, the column down doesn't look correct. [00:12:15] The five-year total, $250,000 at this top, and adding it down, [00:12:19] I wasn't sure if that $1,267,000 was supposed to be a total of that column. [00:12:24] It is. [00:12:25] That's what it's supposed to be. [00:12:26] It's supposed to be. [00:12:27] And then it carries down below. [00:12:28] Right, but I don't think those numbers are correct. [00:12:30] Not if you've got a million and a half on it. [00:12:32] Yeah, just to... [00:12:33] Right, it does appear to be a footing issue or a formula issue on this page. [00:12:38] I do apologize. [00:12:40] The development portion is separate than the recreation and aquatic sections, [00:12:44] is that correct? [00:12:46] It's separate, but then the total general fund line at the bottom [00:12:51] should add both of those sections together. [00:12:53] It should be the total of both of those. [00:12:56] But clearly that's not happening in the calculation, but I will fix that. [00:13:00] All right, well, we can correct that. [00:13:02] The individual numbers within the table are... [00:13:05] But to be clear, the only money that's really being allocated, [00:13:10] because year 2 through 5 is a projection, [00:13:17] so it's our best overview today. [00:13:24] Right. [00:13:25] But the only thing that would be funded in this year's coming budget [00:13:31] is the hard dollars in 16-17 in the column, right? [00:13:36] Correct. [00:13:37] Okay. [00:13:38] And I do apologize about that. [00:13:42] Under the recreation and aquatics, [00:13:45] we do have three more projects that aren't related to fiscal year 17, [00:13:52] but they are planned for future fiscal years, and that's a water slide, [00:13:58] pool resurfacing, and a 50-meter pool. [00:14:03] And you can see that those are projects that will be in the future years. [00:14:08] You're adding a whole other pool? [00:14:11] Actually, it was in our previous capital improvement project. [00:14:18] We're just bumping it out. [00:14:20] Where are we putting her? [00:14:23] Not there yet. [00:14:24] Somebody else just picked that spot down the road. [00:14:27] You know, because we can't touch the skate park. [00:14:29] I don't want to get too far ahead. [00:14:30] We can't touch the basketball park, but you're right. [00:14:37] All right. [00:14:38] If that's the case, once we finish sometime next year, once we go through, [00:14:47] I mean, these are things that we projected two years ago. [00:14:50] Right. [00:14:51] You know, these were our best ideas two years ago, [00:14:54] and we've gone through the study for the rec center. [00:15:00] They really didn't use that as a big closing tool. [00:15:08] All they told us is our computer system was off and we needed to maximize and do some [00:15:14] things. [00:15:15] At some point, we probably need to look out to see if that's viable. [00:15:22] I know it's a nice wish to have five years out, but I'm not sure that we want to continue [00:15:28] to do that. [00:15:29] We need to invest in that facility when we have other key investments throughout the [00:15:32] city. [00:15:33] It's just a thought. [00:15:34] The other thing is that if you do that 50-meter pool, the whole idea is to bring tournaments [00:15:39] here and stuff. [00:15:40] That's two to three years out to get a tournament, so you're really going to sit there for three [00:15:46] years. [00:15:47] It's like six, seven years out. [00:15:48] Before you ever get a return. [00:15:49] Even if you started it that year, you probably wouldn't be done in a calendar year. [00:15:57] You can see what's going on at SunWest Mines, they're already a year in and they haven't [00:16:02] got a volleyball tournament. [00:16:03] Just to refresh my memory, the current pool that we have isn't long enough or isn't wide [00:16:07] enough? [00:16:08] Wide enough. [00:16:09] Oh, okay. [00:16:10] So this is going to be long and wide enough. [00:16:11] It may be great to be able to have swim competitions, but just looking at the Google Earth view [00:16:17] trying to figure out where it's going to go. [00:16:24] Moving on, the next fund is the stormwater utility fund, so we'll cover the summary of [00:16:31] projects for that fund. [00:16:34] Before we get started, if you can look up, I've provided a summary of estimated revenues [00:16:38] for fiscal year 17, just to show you the funding source or the availability of funds that will [00:16:46] be used to complete those projects dedicated for fiscal year 17 in the capital improvement [00:16:53] plan. [00:16:56] The majority of the money for this fund or from this fund will come from the stormwater [00:17:01] utility fee. [00:17:02] The estimate for this fee is based on the current assessment rate of $77.36. [00:17:10] In a previous meeting, we were asked to just make sure that that rate is a good rate that's [00:17:18] covering our maintenance, our operations for this fund, and it is. [00:17:24] We are able to cover personnel and operating expenses and have some money reserved each [00:17:32] year or money built in the fund balance to roll over and continue on with the projects [00:17:38] dedicated for this fund. [00:17:39] So the current assessment of $77.36 is enough to cover the needs of this fund. [00:17:50] The total amount estimated for fiscal year 17 is $1,470,274. [00:18:06] So now, if Robert will actually go over the list of projects in this fund and give you [00:18:12] more details specifically on the individual projects. [00:18:18] Miscellaneous flood control and water quality projects, those are projects that come along [00:18:23] that we have to react to, and so we have money budgeted over in the side there, and of course [00:18:29] most of those projects, we would come before council and ask for approval, and an example [00:18:34] would be, we just came to you with the Warren Avenue drainage project. [00:18:39] That was one of the areas that we had identified some street flooding when we were doing road [00:18:44] reconstruction. [00:18:47] Money in this account let us go ahead and install, or were proposing to install some [00:18:52] trench drains to be able to alleviate that flooding. [00:18:58] Another project that we ended up doing was Briar Patch lining of the stormwater system. [00:19:02] We were in the middle of doing a street project, and noticed that when we started taking and [00:19:09] TVing some of the areas, we found out that we started having some areas that needed to [00:19:14] be lined, and so we used the funds in this account to perform that task, but once again, [00:19:20] we had to come to council to ask for approval for those funds. [00:19:23] Do you think we spent this past year in miscellaneous? [00:19:26] We're pretty close to it. [00:19:28] We have never gone over since we've had that account. [00:19:33] Sometimes it's depending on what we're doing. [00:19:35] What's going to happen? [00:19:36] Exactly, but we've never gone over. [00:19:39] We normally average a little over two, somewhere around there. [00:19:43] Is all of Briar Patch in the city? [00:19:45] Yes sir. [00:19:47] Okay. [00:19:48] And the number I have in that column is 805,000. [00:19:52] I don't know what number. [00:19:54] You guys had some million numbers. [00:19:58] It should be 300,000 annually. [00:20:00] Yeah, no, we have 300,000. [00:20:03] We added the column. [00:20:04] It came up to, I mean, it said she mentioned a million something on the revenue side. [00:20:10] Yeah, but that's up there. [00:20:11] It only says nine something. [00:20:12] I don't know where the million came either. [00:20:15] All right. [00:20:16] Let me better explain this spreadsheet up on the projector. [00:20:21] What this provides you is a summary of estimated revenues for fiscal year 16-17, which is the [00:20:26] last column. [00:20:27] So, budget fiscal year 16-17. [00:20:30] The purpose of providing this was just to show you that the projects that we're proposing [00:20:35] for fiscal year 17, which total $805,000, will be covered by the estimated revenues [00:20:43] in that particular fund. [00:20:44] And you had carryover funds? [00:20:49] Yes. [00:20:50] Okay. [00:20:51] So if all we spend is $800,000 next year, and you've got $1,400,000, because I've got [00:20:59] to divorce this over here, there'll be a potential $600,000 carryover. [00:21:09] And we've always tried to do that on purpose so that we would be able to apply for cooperative [00:21:14] funding through SWIFTMUD and double our money, because we always knew that stormwater projects [00:21:20] are pretty expensive to perform, and so we always knew that we needed to have grants [00:21:26] to be able to keep performing these projects. [00:21:28] So what we try to do is take one year and have some sort of carryover so that we can [00:21:33] apply that year for the grants and then put them both together. [00:21:36] But are you saying that on this revenue end, where it's a blank for SWIFTMUD, that we just [00:21:42] haven't applied yet? [00:21:45] You would still have to pay the money out first to get the money back. [00:21:53] Let me ask one other proactive question. [00:21:55] If I have a $600,000 carry going from 17 into 18, do we have any projects that we either [00:22:12] could move up, question one, or that we've identified in the last two years that are [00:22:23] problematic and we are pushing them out or phasing them out? [00:22:31] Because I don't want to be like the county. [00:22:34] I want to be able to make the statement that everything inside the city that we've identified [00:22:39] and our master plan and all those things that we've gone through is that we're after it. [00:22:47] We're not waiting on you down the road. [00:22:50] So like I said, I want to make sure that if there is that and you're looking for cooperative, [00:22:55] I don't want to have a bundle of money so I can sit there and wait for the opportunity [00:22:59] if I have an ongoing issue. [00:23:02] Because that's funds that our citizenry, including ourselves, are paying, and I would [00:23:09] much rather correct it as opposed to making sure I always got a little money to go. [00:23:16] I know about the leveraging side, but I really want to make sure. [00:23:19] I think we're well-rounded when it comes to that. [00:23:22] An example would be when we take the $300,000 for miscellaneous, that's for those proactive [00:23:28] projects, and we perform our projects by a stormwater master plan, but we're also always [00:23:36] reviewing that. [00:23:38] When the complaints come in, we'll take all of that information together. [00:23:42] An example would be some of the elements of the 2015-16 stormwater improvement projects [00:23:48] that we're doing now. [00:23:49] We actually delayed, or didn't delay, we actually pushed back construction because we ended [00:23:55] up having some complaints about some flooding issues in the heights. [00:24:00] While we were there in design, we figured that we would go ahead and move that up in [00:24:04] the master plan and go ahead and address that issue while we were in design. [00:24:10] I'll just help you out here. [00:24:13] I'll save all my questions because we're on a lunch clock, 6.15 or 6.30, whatever it is. [00:24:21] I'll save all my questions. [00:24:24] I'll only ask the big ones because obviously, we're only on page two and I've already got [00:24:29] eight questions in and I know I'm bogging things down. [00:24:33] I just want to make sure exactly where we're at, but unfortunately, I want to make sure [00:24:42] because we spent a lot of time two years ago or three years ago taking a political hit [00:24:47] because we raised those fees after 10 years of inactivity, but I get down in the minutiae. [00:24:53] I apologize. [00:24:54] If you want, just rock and roll. [00:24:56] I'm sorry. [00:24:57] No, that's okay. [00:24:58] I'm okay with you asking questions. [00:25:01] If we don't get through this, we can set another meeting. [00:25:03] I'm fine with that. [00:25:04] I'd rather cover what everyone's comfortable covering and not worry about getting done [00:25:08] time for dinner. [00:25:09] I'm perfectly willing to do another meeting if we need to, Bill. [00:25:12] Okay. [00:25:13] Like I said, I just want to make sure that it's ... I know it's tedious and I know the [00:25:20] numbers move all over, but this is the only time we get a chance or we call you out of [00:25:25] doing your regular work to come meet with us somewhere else. [00:25:30] I don't know which is better. [00:25:31] These are huge dollars. [00:25:33] Then everybody here gets to hear the same thing so you don't have to do it five other [00:25:38] times because I know you love seeing us and I know you love for us to just stop in once [00:25:43] in a while, but that's not allowed and we don't do that. [00:25:46] These are huge dollars. [00:25:48] Let's make sure we cover them right. [00:25:52] I really do believe that staff has performed at a high level when it comes to addressing [00:25:59] the concerns that council had brought up when we raised that fee and we have responded accordingly [00:26:08] and have ... Try to take a lot of those items and we're readjusting and reprioritizing all [00:26:18] the time. [00:26:19] Like Councilman Bulff said, these fees, like the stormwater fees, they're going to be brought [00:26:22] up when we have this special meeting about the pavement assessment, so it is important [00:26:26] that we can justify that we're just not sucking more money out of our residents for no reason. [00:26:32] Sure. [00:26:33] I understand. [00:26:34] These are questions that are going to be coming up to all of us in the near future, I believe. [00:26:37] I've already gotten emails referencing these fees. [00:26:39] The other thing is, are we able to leverage ... Are we able to use this income stream [00:26:47] as a leverage source too? [00:26:49] I don't think we need it, but in the future there may be a council or two that may want [00:26:54] to expedite some things with two or three years of this revenue to get it done in one [00:27:01] year. [00:27:02] I'm just asking the question, or is it totally ... It appears to me if it's a line item that [00:27:10] you could leverage it as a ... If you needed it at some point. [00:27:16] You could, but I would be very careful with that. [00:27:19] Right. [00:27:20] I'm very conservative simply because a large majority of the funding source goes towards [00:27:27] the operation and maintenance end of things. [00:27:32] You have to make sure that you're out there using your street sweeper, taking and doing [00:27:38] your repairs that you've got to do to your catch basins, taking and performing that maintenance [00:27:43] to keep them open. [00:27:45] There's a lot of activities and a bulk of the money is what we described previously [00:27:50] as the federal unfunded mandates that we're required to do as part of our NPDES permit. [00:27:57] A lot of these activities that are costing us a lot of money are basically those requirements [00:28:02] of our permit. [00:28:09] The next project that we'll be doing as far as the design phase would be the 2016-17 storm [00:28:25] water system improvements. [00:28:29] That's basically a phase two of the project that we're going to perform this coming year. [00:28:36] Most of it's going to be concentrated over at the Maple and High Street storm water system [00:28:42] where we have repetitive flooding with the homes and with some of the duplexes that are [00:28:48] in that area. [00:28:55] This project is one of the ones that we came and asked you for approval to purchase some [00:29:00] of the property. [00:29:01] Again, we have some repetitive flooding over on Hemlock Drive. [00:29:06] This project would include the construction of a retention area with an overflow structure [00:29:12] that would tie into the system that empties out into the Gulf. [00:29:17] That's another repetitive flooding issue. [00:29:20] Our permit requires that any type of flood control project that we perform has to include [00:29:37] a water quality element to it. [00:29:41] That was a redundant question that I asked. [00:29:45] I just wanted to make sure. [00:29:49] Everybody thinks we just drop it in and don't even care about it, but we do take great care. [00:29:55] Mr. Rivera, so that Hemlock Drive, am I reading [00:30:00] Correctly, you're doing the engineering in 16-17, but the construction in 17-18? [00:30:06] No ma'am, we're going to do both. We're going to have... [00:30:12] Oh no, I'm sorry, you're correct. We're going to do the construction the following year. [00:30:17] And use the grant money. [00:30:30] So do we have any future engineering costs? [00:30:44] So just to clarify, the 2016-2017 hemlock stormwater improvement, the construction piece of that in fiscal year 18 in the table [00:31:13] should be $70,000 and not $30,000. That detail is provided in the narrative on the following pages though. [00:31:20] So instead of $30,000 it's $70,000? [00:31:22] Yes. [00:31:23] Does that then boost $805,000 to... [00:31:27] No, the $70,000 would be in fiscal year 18. [00:31:30] Oh I see, okay. [00:31:33] Wait, I'm sorry, the construction, so it's the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, the 7th line down where it says 2016-2017 hemlock construction? [00:31:44] Yes. [00:31:45] $30,000 in 17-18 should be $70,000? [00:31:48] Yes. [00:31:51] That would add another $40,000 to the bottom? [00:31:53] Yes. [00:31:55] Just a point of clarification Mr. Rivera. [00:32:18] So the engineering in the 16-17 is only $30,000 and then $15,000, but then in 18-19 the engineering is $160,000? [00:32:32] Well no, it's a different street, but is it... [00:32:34] You're doing Madison High, Senate Lane, it's probably about six times larger than the other project. [00:32:46] It takes in more area, the ones that you're doing in? [00:32:49] Oh I'm sorry, that's a $1.2 million project, and so the percentage goes up when it comes to engineering. [00:32:58] And that was one of the things that's a little bit different than with the stormwater utility is that it costs a lot of money to do a lot of modeling, [00:33:08] and so when you do these upgrades you have to take a look at your whole basin area that you're dealing with and the amount of water that's going into the system, [00:33:17] discharging at a certain location, and so you have to spend an incredible amount of hours prior to even designing your project [00:33:26] to make sure that you've got the right size pipes, the right size structures to be able to handle the water that's coming in. [00:33:35] So the $160,000 is against the $635,000 construction? [00:33:41] The engineering is at $160,000 and the construction of it is $635,000? [00:33:46] Is that how I'm reading that? [00:33:55] Correct. [00:34:05] Do we have an active grant writing program for some of this stuff or is it just whenever it comes across? [00:34:14] We have a pretty good relationship with SWFMUD when it comes to this type of cooperative funding. [00:34:20] I can't imagine that's the only, that's not the only side. [00:34:25] We recently tried to do Restore Act as well, but when it comes, just so that we know, [00:34:33] SWFMUD seems to be the largest agency that we do get our grants from, [00:34:37] and we have a contact person that's assigned to our city, and so we're in contact with them. [00:34:44] They do workshops, and any type of funding that they have out there they always are shooting us emails and letting us know. [00:34:52] They actually help with the grant. [00:34:54] Is there any grant funding available through the National Flood Insurance Program? [00:35:02] We're always getting these emails from Senator Nelson's assistant. [00:35:06] I don't always read them because they're quite lengthy, but she's, I can't remember her name offhand, [00:35:11] but very receptive to people looking for money through federal sources, [00:35:19] so maybe we could contact her. [00:35:23] I'm sure FEMA's National Flood Insurance Program is pretty tired of paying out on repetitive losses, [00:35:28] so if we can do some preventative measures rather than tearing down buildings and elevating them, [00:35:33] it might be something to look into. [00:35:49] The next summary of projects are in the Capital Improvement Fund. [00:35:55] I've provided a summary of estimated revenues very similar to the Stormwater Utility Fund. [00:36:02] Here you'll see that there are a total of estimated $7,716,000 in resources for the Capital Improvement Fund. [00:36:18] Of course, the majority of that is the one-cent infrastructure surtax. [00:36:23] We also have some SWFMUD grant funding, Department of Transportation funding, [00:36:33] and the USD loan proceeds that are related to the fire station relocation project. [00:36:43] So the total here, again, is $7,716,000, [00:36:47] so we can use that as we're looking at the list of projects within the Capital Improvement Fund. [00:36:56] Question on your income statement. [00:37:03] So we're going to incur a loan proceed for the fire station relocation at some point in the future, correct? [00:37:17] Which means that there will be debt service dollars associated with paying that loan off, correct? [00:37:25] Over and above the loan structures that we have already, correct? [00:37:30] Right. [00:37:31] One line up, the Restore Act funds, we got $100,000. [00:37:37] I don't know if any of you have had the opportunity to either read the paper [00:37:41] or waste a couple hours of your life sitting in front of some meetings. [00:37:48] I'm sorry. [00:37:49] Well, the mayor and I were at something. [00:37:51] We could go Monday. [00:37:52] I was at the first meeting. [00:37:53] Yeah, you were at the first one, so it was interesting. [00:37:57] It was interesting. [00:37:58] Well, we've been through a number of those. [00:38:02] And I had asked the manager on Friday to double check with the county, [00:38:07] who facilitates the Restore Act money because of the way that it's structured with New Port Richey, [00:38:17] that what they got an award for for $600,000 now isn't what they want to do. [00:38:26] I don't know that they've been promised that money. [00:38:31] I'm sure that they've been indicated that if they can change their application and all that. [00:38:36] Data restrictions. [00:38:37] Yeah, well, there's a whole series of things. [00:38:39] Or not data restrictions. [00:38:40] But over and above that is, do we have any other famous phrases? [00:38:45] Do we have any other shovel-ready projects that we can put into mix to the Restore Act [00:38:51] so that they've got options if they don't award all that money back to New Port Richey? [00:38:56] Or if they come across more money. [00:38:58] I'd hate to see them try to build a lake or something unless they travel, [00:39:01] rather than use it for a waterfront community like ours. [00:39:04] My understanding is there's some other buckets of that Restore Act money that the county is keeping tight tabs on. [00:39:12] However, they indicated at that meeting that the Deputy Mayor and I were at [00:39:16] that if somebody actually came to them with some sort of proposal, they'd give it full consideration. [00:39:25] So I think we need to, if we've got something like that, at least. [00:39:32] We're always prepared to ask the question. [00:39:34] So based on the prompt from Deputy Mayor Phillips and your words of encouragement, [00:39:41] we'll come up with some proposed projects and be ready to launch them. [00:39:44] There's plenty of ideas out there, whether it be seawall improvements to our parks. [00:39:48] There's a lot of things that we could apply for. [00:39:51] The day after our last meeting, I did go to the Restore Act meeting [00:39:56] because our group was there making some presentations on the Living Shoreline [00:40:03] and stormwater project and all that. [00:40:06] I wanted to make sure I could see the dynamic of the new Restore Act [00:40:12] because they have some new committee people. [00:40:15] But over and above that is that Pot 3 money that they're talking about. [00:40:24] It's going to have to be a fairly substantial project. [00:40:27] And to be honest with you, I think it's going to take more than one entity and not the county. [00:40:34] Otherwise, I think they're going to make it exceedingly difficult to qualify for that, [00:40:42] saying it straight out. [00:40:45] But if we've got some major things between us and some other areas, [00:40:51] I think we ought to factor them together and make the pitch. [00:40:57] Because as you know, Jeff, you don't ask, you don't get the business. [00:41:02] I don't know if you know Kristen Tonkin. [00:41:04] She's very well versed. [00:41:05] She's on the Restore Act committee. [00:41:06] I've spoken to her several times. [00:41:07] There's certain criteria that they look for, [00:41:09] and they love the bundled package that New Port Richey proposed [00:41:13] for transforming their waterfront park that's underutilized to the boat ramp [00:41:18] and having a large boat ramp, which they now say they don't want. [00:41:23] But they love their initial proposal. [00:41:26] And I've listened to her on a few podcasts and spoke to her as well. [00:41:30] And not in great depth, but there's criteria they look for. [00:41:34] So we want to be sure we include what they're looking for in any proposal [00:41:38] that we might propose. [00:41:41] There's certain things that they look for. [00:41:43] And if it's all in there, [00:41:44] it's a much better chance of getting funding for what I understand. [00:42:00] The first project that we have on this table is the Sims Park Improvements Phase 2. [00:42:05] And as you are aware, [00:42:06] it includes additional shade structures in front of the stage area [00:42:11] and an additional LED video board. [00:42:14] And then finally, bench-style swings that are along the waterfront. [00:42:18] And that was in Phase 1. [00:42:19] That was one of those items that we had removed [00:42:22] when we were looking to reduce a little bit of the cost of a Phase 1 project. [00:42:29] Can you just double-check on the swings and the liability factors? [00:42:35] I understand that they're unique and they'd be a lot of fun. [00:42:38] I just want to make sure it doesn't tweak a benchmark from a safety perspective. [00:42:47] I'm only visualizing what I used to know as swings over by the- [00:42:53] not a swing set, it's like- [00:42:55] It's a porch swing, sort of. [00:42:57] Yeah, okay. [00:42:59] What are you referring to? I'm sorry. [00:43:01] It's Phase 2. [00:43:02] Phase 2 of Sims. [00:43:04] And in that were these kind of porch swings. [00:43:08] And I'm concerned from a liability standpoint. [00:43:16] Because now that it's been open and we've kind of walked through things, [00:43:20] if that isn't what we collectively think is the best use of that little pot of money, [00:43:27] I think we've noticed some other things in and around the river that we might move that over. [00:43:34] I just didn't want the porch, however they look and they're together, [00:43:38] if it sets up a liability and a maintenance issue, to police that activity. [00:43:46] Because I know it's to make us old folks like myself sit on the swing and kind of go back and forth, [00:43:53] but I can only anticipate how else it might be used by others. [00:44:00] Is there anything in there? [00:44:01] I'm sorry, I'm not sure what page you're on in my PDF. [00:44:05] About additional kid swings with Phase 2? [00:44:08] I mean, that's the biggest complaint that I hear. [00:44:10] And I understand we have a certain area in our playground we have to work with, [00:44:13] but I don't know if there's any- [00:44:15] We haven't solidified any design decisions as it relates to the second phase of Sims Park. [00:44:23] We're simply advancing a budget figure at this point, [00:44:27] so that we include enough funding in there for any decisions that the council will make [00:44:35] about what improvements they'd like to see. [00:44:37] LED screen and two of those shelters still leaves us six figures for everything else, [00:44:44] so that should be added. [00:44:45] Yeah, and I would want to insert in that, as far as the children's swings are concerned, [00:44:51] I think that was something that we talked about, handicapped children's swings. [00:44:56] I know they have them, and I know that what we have there now- [00:45:00] is not enough swings, but part of what we were talking about, [00:45:03] I think, originally, was swings that are accessible [00:45:06] for children who are handicapped. [00:45:08] They have, they're in there, aren't they? [00:45:08] Like, they're like. [00:45:09] You do, but I, you know, I'm not in the both right, [00:45:13] that you think there is a cry for more swings, yeah. [00:45:16] And the straps are broken on them, the current ones. [00:45:20] Elaine? [00:45:21] If we replace those straps, we've actually gone so far [00:45:25] as to order a replacement, and then we order another one [00:45:28] so that we have it in stock, and. [00:45:31] I mean, what happens, I've been there with several kids, [00:45:35] and some kids are a little crazier than others, [00:45:37] but there's not enough regular kid swings, [00:45:39] so they all jump on the handicapped swings, [00:45:41] and they strap themselves in, and they get pretty used. [00:45:45] I'm sure that's why they're breaking so quickly. [00:45:51] Next project is the Recreation [00:45:53] and Aquatic Center Facility Expansion. [00:45:55] And we've talked about that recently as well, [00:46:00] doing some of the renovations to the fitness center, [00:46:04] child care areas, and general expansion. [00:46:09] That's strictly a budget number [00:46:11] off of what we had previously, correct? [00:46:13] Correct. [00:46:14] Okay. [00:46:16] Okay. [00:46:21] Following project is the Orange Lake Restoration Project, [00:46:25] where right now we're at 90% design review, [00:46:30] and actually just got an email from the Restore Act today, [00:46:34] and it looks like we're getting close [00:46:35] to where the federal review was down [00:46:38] to three different, three questions [00:46:40] that they were wanting answers to, [00:46:42] and so hopefully once we submit that to them, [00:46:45] they'll be able to give us approval, [00:46:47] and we can enter into the interlocal agreement [00:46:49] with Pasco County. [00:46:51] Real quick, Robert, on that, [00:46:52] if it is funded and we do complete this project, [00:46:55] what should we expect the Water at Orange Lake [00:46:57] to look like in comparison to now? [00:46:59] Considerably a lot better than what it is now. [00:47:01] I mean, our first- [00:47:02] It's just a lot of money. [00:47:03] It is. [00:47:04] Our first phase is going to be the dredging, [00:47:08] and that's where a lot of the grant money is gonna come. [00:47:12] The two boardwalks that we're proposing to install [00:47:16] were part of the Sims Park improvements in the beginning, [00:47:20] and so those two boardwalks, [00:47:24] I think they're at an estimated 150,000 apiece. [00:47:27] They're the ones that have the shelters [00:47:29] and similar design as what we've got in the park itself. [00:47:34] I think they're gonna be great, [00:47:35] but we are gonna have to have a plan in force, [00:47:37] whether it be launching a small boat or whatnot, [00:47:39] unfortunately, it's gonna bring pollution [00:47:40] to the lake as well, new crystal clear water. [00:47:43] But we're hoping to clean it up [00:47:45] once we get the sentiments out of there, [00:47:47] and then we get the aeration devices in there. [00:47:51] We've done some testing at the different levels, [00:47:54] and there is a level where we would call dead water [00:47:58] where there's no oxygen in there, [00:48:00] and so if we can get that water moving around, [00:48:02] we can get all of the pollutants out of it [00:48:05] because there's five different outfall pipes [00:48:08] that dump into it before the overflow goes into the river. [00:48:12] We're proposing to install a couple CDS units, [00:48:16] which are BMPs, what we call water quality elements. [00:48:20] It's gonna take a lot of the pollutants out of that water, [00:48:24] and so from that point on, [00:48:26] the pollutant load will be reduced drastically, [00:48:29] and so we're hoping that that water quality [00:48:33] immediately will be visible. [00:48:36] How much muck is in the bottom of that thing right now? [00:48:40] I could get that information for you. [00:48:42] I know that we're about 17 feet in the center, [00:48:46] and I forget what the thickness was [00:48:49] that they had estimated. [00:48:50] All part five, six feet? [00:48:51] It's gotta be, it's somewhere around five, six feet. [00:48:54] What depth did you go to to get the, [00:48:56] where the water's dead? [00:48:58] I'd have to pull that one out. [00:48:59] I wanna say it was around, [00:49:01] like around 10, eight feet, somewhere in there. [00:49:04] We had a layer that actually cut across [00:49:07] the whole lake itself and divided the water. [00:49:14] Are you working in conjunction with [00:49:18] development and everybody else [00:49:21] with the new development [00:49:24] that's gonna happen across the street? [00:49:26] Because I know they're gonna have some of their own site, [00:49:29] but they're still gonna push stuff off, [00:49:32] and the car load is gonna go up, [00:49:35] so that initial wash through there [00:49:39] off of the roadways on Central and Circle, [00:49:43] just trying to make sure that we don't do all this. [00:49:46] They build the facility, and then we have to backtrack. [00:49:50] Correct, we've had several meetings with the developer. [00:49:54] We've had several meetings with their engineer [00:49:56] and our engineer, and so we, [00:49:58] both of us know exactly what each other's proposing [00:50:02] to do. [00:50:03] They're not just tipping their draining on us. [00:50:11] Next project we have is the [00:50:13] Gray Preserve Congress Street entrance. [00:50:15] We're gonna be doing some improvements there, [00:50:17] clearing and grubbing that area that we just purchased, [00:50:21] and providing for a parking area [00:50:25] with a couple trails and a boardwalk [00:50:28] that can go over the low-lying area [00:50:30] and get into the park, [00:50:32] and actually give residents another entrance [00:50:35] that they can get into on our side [00:50:37] instead of going over on the Rowan Road side. [00:50:40] When you're master planning that, [00:50:42] and I'm not sure if you or Elaine has to answer it, [00:50:44] because you and I and Lisa walked at that one day [00:50:48] a couple of years ago, [00:50:51] but anything we can do to tandem this, [00:50:54] tandem this with dollars that are on the state level, [00:50:58] I know that we've got an audience [00:51:01] with a couple of senators and house reps [00:51:05] that really are environmentally concerned, [00:51:11] as well as they like that old feel, [00:51:15] so if we can make sure this doesn't stand alone, [00:51:19] can work in tandem with something, [00:51:22] and just let's get out ahead. [00:51:25] I think Ms. Manns has a clear understanding [00:51:29] of the appreciation that this gets. [00:51:43] Next one is the seawall stabilization project. [00:51:47] I'm not sure if everybody's aware, [00:51:49] but we've had to do some very extensive repairs [00:51:52] to some seawall sections in the Sims Park area. [00:51:58] We staff took a look around [00:52:00] and started visiting the other areas [00:52:04] that we have our seawalls, [00:52:05] which is a considerable amount of footage, [00:52:09] and it looks like we've got a problem [00:52:12] as far as the unstabilized soil [00:52:15] behind the seawalls that we have, [00:52:17] and so basically this is one of those projects [00:52:20] that we either need to decide [00:52:22] if we're going to go ahead [00:52:23] and try to invest some money in it [00:52:25] and stabilize the existing seawalls we have, [00:52:28] or if we wait and do nothing, [00:52:31] then we'll be reconstructing [00:52:32] a lot of the areas that we have. [00:52:37] Similar to it, yes, exactly. [00:52:40] The Jasmine Park, I reported to Robert [00:52:42] a few months ago where it was [00:52:45] basically washing out behind the seawall. [00:52:47] The hydraulics, and then back in the day, [00:52:50] a lot of them used metal weep holes, [00:52:53] so to speak, with the pipe and everything, [00:52:55] and those have clogged up. [00:52:56] Some of them have rusted. [00:52:58] We've gotten to where you've gotten [00:53:00] some intrusion around the backside of the wall, [00:53:03] and then when those hydraulics happen, [00:53:06] the soil becomes unstable. [00:53:08] This isn't part of the seawall improvements [00:53:11] or replacement at the boat ramp, correct? [00:53:13] This is separate funding? [00:53:14] Well, this was separate funding at the beginning. [00:53:19] We were going for grants on the other side. [00:53:23] That grant, there was 47 municipalities [00:53:26] that applied for it. [00:53:28] We ended up coming right around the middle of the pack, [00:53:31] and so Debbie and I had a discussion about it, [00:53:34] so we were going to include the seawall stabilization [00:53:38] over by the boat ramp in this. [00:53:41] That's another bad one. [00:53:43] Some of this can't be possible. [00:53:48] It could. [00:53:50] We could look into the, excuse me? [00:53:53] We'd have to create a proposal. [00:53:54] Right, you'd have to create a proposal. [00:53:56] We'd have to look at the guidelines [00:53:57] and see if they were available, [00:53:59] and where we're at right now, [00:54:02] I would say that we need to start doing something, [00:54:04] and it's just like the 100,000 [00:54:07] that we've gotten from Orange Lake. [00:54:09] We've been dealing with that a couple years now, [00:54:11] and I'm not sure, by the time we do get the approval [00:54:14] to be able to have that money available to us, [00:54:18] it could probably be a three-year process. [00:54:20] And how much was the county awarded total, [00:54:22] do you remember, the first? [00:54:24] A million and one, in part one, a million and one. [00:54:28] And we're only getting 100,000 of that. [00:54:30] We're one of two, pretty much, waterfront municipalities [00:54:33] in the whole county. [00:54:34] Because New Port Richey got almost 700,000, so yeah. [00:54:37] It just seems like we're getting [00:54:38] the low end of the stick on that. [00:54:40] I don't know if it's our fault. [00:54:41] The next cycle. [00:54:42] Even if we repair ahead of time, [00:54:45] we still should be out there trying to get the money. [00:54:48] Well, I think the other thing is, [00:54:49] is we've been proactive on a lot of things, [00:54:51] and I'm not sure that's the case [00:54:53] in other municipalities locally. [00:54:55] So I would describe this as our boat. [00:54:59] You're gonna have to throw money at it continually, [00:55:03] because you're gonna find those sea walls [00:55:05] that are adjacent to us. [00:55:08] Yeah, okay. [00:55:11] Go ahead. [00:55:16] Plummer Field parking lot expansion. [00:55:20] And we are proposing to acquire some of the properties [00:55:25] that are on the north side of Pine Hill Road. [00:55:32] Is that a question on that? [00:55:34] That figure just looks really low to me, [00:55:36] for the improvements on the bridge. [00:55:38] And this isn't what I do for a living. [00:55:41] I hope it is that inexpensive to do, [00:55:42] but to do the two walkways underneath the bridge, [00:55:45] I mean, it's disgusting under there right now. [00:55:47] It's just a dirt hill. [00:55:50] And to put decorative paving and lighting [00:55:52] and make it look like it should, [00:55:54] if we're gonna go ahead and pursue that project, [00:55:57] and then taking out the concrete benches [00:55:58] and putting new ones and doing improvements to the top. [00:56:02] I hope we can do it for 150. [00:56:03] It just seems awful low to me. [00:56:05] It is a low number. [00:56:08] I don't want to, if we're gonna do it, let's do it right. [00:56:10] As far as those walkways go. [00:56:11] Does it come up three other places in the budget, [00:56:12] or is this the only place that we see it in the CIP? [00:56:14] This is the only place in the CIP. [00:56:16] Okay, then. [00:56:23] With your permission, we'll get a better estimate [00:56:26] and come back to you with it [00:56:27] the next time we discuss this budget. [00:56:29] And please incorporate this, [00:56:33] at least if there's gonna be two phases, [00:56:35] if there's gonna be a second phase [00:56:36] that's gonna impact in front of Bifo Brady's, [00:56:40] let's make sure we're way ahead of that [00:56:41] and that they blend together. [00:56:42] Theirs kind of blends in and then you can pick up [00:56:46] because I think I don't want them to finish [00:56:52] and then us come back. [00:56:53] I just want to make sure that we've got to [00:56:55] have an opportunity to kind of blend those together. [00:57:00] It would be beautiful though, if it's done right. [00:57:02] Not just if you're under the bridge, [00:57:04] but if you're in the park looking over the river, [00:57:05] it's gonna light up the river. [00:57:07] It could be a great project if we do it right. [00:57:09] Where am I gonna spend the night? [00:57:12] You have a nicer place to spend the night. [00:57:14] And then you can do like Hampton Inn's doing [00:57:16] is they're putting neon and stuff up [00:57:17] all on their border thing, [00:57:19] so you could neon underneath and have it change. [00:57:23] We'll set you up with some of those Airbnb guys [00:57:27] so you can rent a place. [00:57:29] You know, when we actually started [00:57:31] that Main Street Landings project, [00:57:32] what seems like 100 years ago, [00:57:34] that was one of the considerations [00:57:36] that we made with Mr. McGurn [00:57:38] to put in some aesthetics under that bridge. [00:57:43] And so I know that there's been some conversation [00:57:45] about when we have investors come in [00:57:50] and what part of their plan is, [00:57:54] we are suggesting a certain percentage [00:57:56] goes to aesthetics or art or that type of thing. [00:57:58] So if he is picking that project back up, [00:58:02] I don't know why we wouldn't have the conversation with him. [00:58:06] Just one more. [00:58:07] I thought you were gonna use that 100 years, [00:58:10] like it's been 100 years, [00:58:10] I thought you were gonna use the analogy [00:58:12] when Chopper and I had darker hair. [00:58:14] I thought you might go there with that. [00:58:16] Well, it was. [00:58:17] Yeah. [00:58:18] We do do it for undesirables and people. [00:58:20] We have a nice park, [00:58:20] but we still have people hanging out under the bridge. [00:58:22] We don't want anyone hanging out on the bridge [00:58:23] for there to be used doing what they shouldn't be doing [00:58:25] or people looking for a place to sleep. [00:58:28] It would just be one more deterrent [00:58:30] to help clean up downtown. [00:58:31] The more you line it up, the more it pushes them, [00:58:33] the more, correct? [00:58:36] Yeah. [00:58:43] Bummer Field parking lot expansion project is, [00:58:48] we're proposing to acquire some additional property [00:58:51] that's on the north side of Pine Hill Road [00:58:55] to expand their limited parking that they have right now. [00:58:59] The current conditions are really dismal. [00:59:03] Prior to the Public Works building being built, [00:59:07] the parking was overflowing then. [00:59:10] When we built our complex, [00:59:13] we ended up taking quite a few of the parking areas [00:59:17] to construct the wetland mitigation area. [00:59:21] And so we've got people parking out on the streets. [00:59:24] We've got them parking anywhere and everywhere [00:59:26] that they can. [00:59:27] You built that sidewalk down to that property. [00:59:28] Do they use that? [00:59:30] We've got the sidewalk that goes over. [00:59:33] We've got some excess parking with signs up there, [00:59:36] but I don't think anybody pays attention to it. [00:59:39] I've never seen anybody park there. [00:59:40] So I think the only thing that you can do [00:59:42] for safety reasons is to get some parking [00:59:45] that's near that area and make it a true parking area. [00:59:49] It's between the church. [00:59:51] East of the church? [00:59:52] Yes, sir. [00:59:53] And there in the junk yard [00:59:54] or is it part of the junk yard that we'd be acquiring? [00:59:57] In between the church and that junk yard. [01:00:00] And Steve Booth has the property that he wants to sell it? [01:00:06] That's, Steve Booth is facilitating the deal for us. [01:00:13] The Central Fire Station relocation. [01:00:17] Is that study done yet? [01:00:20] Is Flashman and Garcia, are they still the same, are they still, [01:00:24] is it now Flashman and Garcia, or is it? [01:00:28] Flashman Garcia. [01:00:29] So, and that study is not complete yet, is the question. [01:00:36] No, it's not complete. [01:00:37] My expectation is that we'll have it completed [01:00:42] within the next two months. [01:00:46] Seems like we've been asking the same questions over and over [01:00:48] for the last couple of years. [01:00:50] Don't you think so, Mr. Mayor? [01:00:51] I thought. [01:00:54] I'll provide you an update based on that suggestion, [01:00:57] Mr. Deputy Mayor. [01:00:59] OK. [01:01:03] Let me ask a further question so I can really [01:01:05] poke the bear tonight. [01:01:08] Are we causing the delay, or are they causing the delay? [01:01:13] Let me understand where the information is, [01:01:15] because there's been a few things recently that [01:01:18] seems to be 11 and 1 1⁄2 hours when it's delivered. [01:01:22] So I want to know if we're causing a delay from what [01:01:26] we're supposed to provide, or if they [01:01:30] are delayed because of their workload and some other things. [01:01:34] So if you'll just, you can just make the answer in the manager [01:01:38] report. [01:01:38] I will do that. [01:01:45] Our next project is the Sims Park boat ramp improvements. [01:01:49] This is the project that I talked about a little bit earlier [01:01:51] with the seawall. [01:01:52] And we were hoping to be able to get some grant funding [01:01:58] for this application, but we were denied. [01:02:03] And so this project calls for the removal [01:02:06] of the existing restroom, the reconstruction of a new one, [01:02:12] a boat ramp extension, and the removal of some large rocks [01:02:16] that are located in the center of the boat ramp, [01:02:19] and then, of course, the seawall stabilizations. [01:02:22] And possibly a boat lift for the police boat. [01:02:25] Correct. [01:02:31] Benenim? [01:02:33] Probably a lot like Francis Avenue. [01:02:36] Nix Park. [01:02:38] Well, I wouldn't go that way, but you're close. [01:02:40] You're probably close, yeah. [01:02:42] Nix is worse, apparently. [01:02:46] Why were we denied the grant, Robert, any? [01:02:50] They had several areas that they scored you on. [01:02:54] And one of the areas that we fell short on, [01:02:57] there was actually two areas, was [01:02:59] the enlargement of the boat ramp itself, [01:03:03] and then expansion of the parking area. [01:03:06] And those created some high marks. [01:03:09] So they didn't want us to? [01:03:10] Exactly. [01:03:11] So we kind of had an option on that. [01:03:13] We were kind of limited. [01:03:15] We'd scored high in the design, engineering, [01:03:20] what we were proposing to do. [01:03:21] But when you're going against a lot of larger agencies [01:03:26] that actually have that area to expand and have [01:03:32] areas for those amenities that they're proposing, [01:03:34] then that brings our score down a little bit. [01:03:45] This next project is the Francis Avenue Park restroom [01:03:48] improvements. [01:03:49] This calls for the removal and replacement [01:03:52] of the existing restroom and the construction of a new restroom [01:03:58] as well as an additional sidewalk that'll [01:04:01] get you from the restroom down over to the kayak park lounge. [01:04:09] And we've got $228,000 in CDBG funding, which is also a grant. [01:04:27] Much was it? [01:04:28] $228,000. [01:04:31] Total project is $400,000, or $410,000. [01:04:40] Next project that we have is the Peace Hall window and door [01:04:47] replacements. [01:04:49] The windows, we've had to replace one or two over the years. [01:04:55] And this last one that we did, we started taking a look at it. [01:04:59] And you can see most of them are the old wood framed windows. [01:05:04] And so we took a look at everything that we've got. [01:05:08] And we need to replace those windows. [01:05:10] We can't repair them. [01:05:13] Are you tandeming that with Mr. Economic Development Director's [01:05:18] work at Hacienda? [01:05:21] It would seem that those would be natural to kind of package. [01:05:25] Because that's a bigger package of work [01:05:27] to go along with this that might give you [01:05:29] some dynamics on pricing, quality, installation. [01:05:35] It's just a suggestion. [01:05:37] Just a suggestion. [01:05:38] Is there any way for us to sell those windows as salvage? [01:05:43] I mean, some of the glass in there, [01:05:45] it's the old beveled glass with the wood windows. [01:05:47] I mean, that seems to be such a hot commodity. [01:05:52] That's the right word to use. [01:05:54] We can take a look. [01:05:55] Yeah. [01:05:56] OK. [01:06:02] You mean not our home improvement skills? [01:06:05] I remember you built the wall, but I [01:06:06] don't know if you took the wall down with a hammer chopper. [01:06:13] Of course, the doors are in the same condition. [01:06:16] It's a good point, though, that Mr. Wells-Thomas brings up. [01:06:19] I mean, a lot of artists make frameworks out [01:06:20] of old windows like that. [01:06:21] And it's kind of a lot of history. [01:06:23] There would be a cool project from some of our local artists. [01:06:26] And there are people that just love that stuff. [01:06:28] I lost the argument about replacing [01:06:31] the windows in my house for exactly that reason, [01:06:34] because my wife just loves the rippled glass [01:06:38] that you get with something of that vintage. [01:06:42] How about the utility bill that goes with not rippled? [01:06:44] Yeah, well, that's- [01:06:46] This time of year, it's like 119 degrees outside. [01:06:49] I don't know about you. [01:06:50] Yeah, it's got to be tough. [01:06:52] Well, if we want to replace them, that's great. [01:06:53] But I do think that there's some value to that. [01:06:56] There might be a market for some of those paints. [01:06:59] Absolutely, especially with us being a main street city [01:07:03] that's under the historic preservation. [01:07:05] And the frames, the window frames are still good. [01:07:09] So the contractor's just not going to bust that stuff apart. [01:07:13] And we'll put it in our contract [01:07:15] that we just take possession of it. [01:07:17] So they would be replacing the glass [01:07:20] and not the frames or the frames as well? [01:07:22] No, I'm sorry, the outside portion. [01:07:23] They're just not going to just tear everything apart. [01:07:27] So they're going to have to- [01:07:28] Yeah, because that's the intrinsic value [01:07:30] is that frame with the glass. [01:07:32] Or even the frames without the glass, [01:07:34] but the glass would be perfect. [01:07:40] Next project we have is the downtown parking garage. [01:07:44] You skipped a couple. [01:07:46] Wow. [01:07:47] Same screen, nature preserve. [01:07:47] Those are out, those are out. [01:07:48] The other- [01:07:49] They're so far out. [01:07:51] It's that same bigger question we asked earlier. [01:07:54] You know, it looks impressive. [01:07:56] It looks big out there, 3,000,001 for Olympic-sized pool. [01:07:59] But really, is that the right amenity over there [01:08:03] that's going to drive that facility to X, Y, and Z? [01:08:06] So, you know, that's another question for another day, [01:08:09] but a larger deal. [01:08:12] Parking garage. [01:08:13] We're proposing the site acquisition to be, [01:08:18] for next year, $250,000. [01:08:21] I guess the topic is, is there a way to expedite or fast track? [01:08:34] It depends on, of course, the interest in the property owner [01:08:39] and the disposition of the property. [01:08:42] I have had the property appraised. [01:08:45] I feel that the $250,000 represents a fair market value [01:08:50] of the property, but I have not had any conversations [01:08:54] with the property owner at this point [01:08:56] to determine their level of interest in selling. [01:08:59] We know what he paid for the property? [01:09:02] Yes, we do have record of it. [01:09:04] I don't recall the number specifically. [01:09:08] It was combined with two other parcels, I believe. [01:09:12] He's already sold them. [01:09:14] If we circle and get to the two or three sites [01:09:18] that we're looking at. [01:09:19] But there is some strategy that will need to be employed, [01:09:23] particularly if we have to exercise our rights [01:09:26] of eminent domain in that case. [01:09:30] I'm working on that in both respects. [01:09:35] If at some point, collectively, we get to that, [01:09:39] is there a way to, obviously, [01:09:46] fast track the design element of it? [01:09:50] So then we can look at our debt service structure [01:09:52] to see if there's a way. [01:09:53] Because the sooner this gets legs on it out there, [01:09:59] I think it'll have a multiple impact on both downtown [01:10:05] and the west side of Maine, the west Maine area. [01:10:10] That's a good suggestion, and I'll move forward [01:10:12] in that respect as well. [01:10:13] I just think the 250, I mean, [01:10:18] didn't you get an estimate of more like 450? [01:10:22] It was lower than that. [01:10:24] It was actually 300,000. [01:10:29] Appraisal? [01:10:29] It was. [01:10:31] But that included the full assemblage of his property, [01:10:38] and we would not need to acquire the full property [01:10:42] for purposes only of a parking structure. [01:10:46] So. [01:10:47] Basically, I need the south, a sliver off the south end. [01:10:53] Main street frontage would still be available [01:10:57] for something else. [01:10:58] Which is all the more reason why the design's important [01:10:59] in case we need to pick up more of that property [01:11:01] that we get enough of it. [01:11:03] I know that there's been some interest [01:11:05] in acquiring it for other purposes. [01:11:07] Economic development is not a permitted purpose [01:11:12] for eminent domain under the Florida state law. [01:11:15] So we'll work some magic and come back with a proposal [01:11:22] from you, but for now, I think that's [01:11:24] an appropriate amount of money. [01:11:29] Thank you. [01:11:35] Yes? [01:11:36] The next project we have is the recreation center [01:11:38] tennis courts improvements. [01:11:41] You'll see that we've got $110,000 budgeted [01:11:44] for this project. [01:11:45] The majority of that is gonna go [01:11:47] to the parking lot rehabilitation. [01:11:51] It's tar and chip. [01:11:53] I'm not really sure how old it is, but it's long overdue. [01:11:58] The court itself has some issues around the perimeter. [01:12:03] When they resurfaced everything, [01:12:08] we didn't mess with the drainage [01:12:10] and we're running into some problems. [01:12:11] So there needs to be some drainage improvements [01:12:14] to be able to take care of any further damage [01:12:18] and to cease that. [01:12:20] And then the other problem that we have out there [01:12:23] is the electrical system. [01:12:27] The lighting system is a lot to be desired. [01:12:29] It's unsafe. [01:12:30] The wiring that goes to all of the lighting [01:12:33] needs to be replaced. [01:12:34] Let's do something with the lighting relatively recently. [01:12:37] We took in some of the lighting that was out [01:12:40] in the parking lot was non-operational. [01:12:44] So we contracted with Joe Williams to go out there [01:12:48] and go ahead and do some replacement heads, [01:12:51] but bare minimum work. [01:12:53] We need some extensive electrical work performed. [01:12:57] I hate to ask the question after the fact, [01:12:59] but I'm going to do it anyway, [01:13:01] is that did we create some of these additional issues [01:13:06] around there from the sidewalk work that we did [01:13:11] adjacent to the backside of this? [01:13:12] Or is that when we found this particular issue? [01:13:18] Because I was under the impression by resurfacing it [01:13:21] and dressing it up a year or so ago [01:13:24] after we pushed it down the road a few years that we, [01:13:28] because it's a nice amenity, [01:13:31] but it's, there's a useful life element there. [01:13:36] I'm just trying to understand. [01:13:38] There's a useful life element. [01:13:40] And I believe that the work that you did [01:13:42] wasn't a waste of money. [01:13:44] I think it corrected a lot of those [01:13:47] degregated issues that were found. [01:13:49] I believe that we could have gone a little bit further. [01:13:53] And so right now we're at that point [01:13:55] when we were out there looking at the lighting and stuff, [01:13:58] and we knew that we were, [01:14:00] we've completed pretty much [01:14:02] all of our parking lot resurfacing. [01:14:05] So when we got out there to take a look at that, [01:14:07] that's when we started identifying [01:14:09] those other deficiencies that we had [01:14:11] with the drainage issue. [01:14:16] Robert, am I mistaken, [01:14:17] but were we discussing some element of the lights [01:14:21] so that people could do that after hours, [01:14:24] or wasn't there some combination [01:14:25] of what we were looking to do with them, [01:14:27] like what we were looking to do with the rec center? [01:14:29] Correct, there was discussion that maybe [01:14:31] we might be able to have a system [01:14:35] to where the people could play at night. [01:14:38] But of course, we'd have to get deeper into the details. [01:14:41] And anything that we would be doing lighting-wise [01:14:43] or improvement-wise [01:14:46] would not take any of that into consideration? [01:14:49] I mean, we'd look at the big picture now? [01:14:51] We would take that into consideration [01:14:53] when we started the design. [01:14:55] We would get with Debbie and Elaine [01:14:57] and get their thoughts on what they're wanting. [01:15:00] well as you all, and we would incorporate it. [01:15:09] Wayfinding signs upgrades, we started that this year, [01:15:14] and we're at the point now where we believe [01:15:18] that we're going to start moving forward. [01:15:20] Discussing that later this evening, right? [01:15:22] We do have a presentation scheduled this Sunday. [01:15:24] Real quick, just so I can be ahead of the game [01:15:26] a little bit, what did we pay for that study? [01:15:27] Because this is another study, it seemed like [01:15:29] it took forever to get back, I was expecting it, [01:15:31] maybe it's just me, when did we order the study [01:15:33] and what did we pay for the study? [01:15:35] Do you know offhand? [01:15:37] No, I don't know offhand when we started it. [01:15:40] I know that a good number of project elements [01:15:47] had to take place before they got to the design state, [01:15:51] which is what they're going to present to you this evening. [01:15:54] For instance, they had to conduct a sign inventory [01:15:57] of all of the signs in the city for municipal purposes, [01:16:02] and document them so that once we accept a design, [01:16:07] they can go right to specifications. [01:16:09] That was all part of the project, though, I assume. [01:16:11] It was part of the project, but it took a long time. [01:16:15] So we were paying them for the time that it took them, [01:16:17] or it just seemed like a lot of work that they performed, [01:16:21] and I believe it was less than $30,000. [01:16:24] Almost 40, it was like 39 and change. [01:16:29] We're going to be discussing that later. [01:16:31] So don't make a pressure. [01:16:34] We know where all our signs are. [01:16:39] We know what they look like as well. [01:16:45] Next project that we have is [01:16:46] a downtown landscaping improvement. [01:16:49] That's the project that we came to you [01:16:51] a few weeks back and presented. [01:16:54] Council had a few items that they wanted the architect, [01:17:00] the landscape architect, to come back and present to them. [01:17:02] That's scheduled for September 6th, [01:17:04] and we've included all of those comments. [01:17:08] We have upped the dollar amount in this project [01:17:12] because we want to include the [01:17:14] city hall landscaping project in it as well. [01:17:18] We're hoping that we can get a economy of scale with that, [01:17:21] instead of having two separate ones that we combine them. [01:17:26] You'll be seeing the presentation on the September 6th. [01:17:30] Robert, who is in charge of that gigantic flower pot, [01:17:34] flower bed at the mural on Main and Bank? [01:17:40] Is the county? [01:17:41] I thought that they had kind of given it to us, sort of. [01:17:45] The county is in charge of it, [01:17:47] but no one seems to want to work on it. [01:17:50] Over the years, we've maintained everything and planted stuff, [01:17:53] and I think at one point in time, [01:17:55] we had volunteers help out as well. [01:17:59] I love that blue plumbago, [01:18:01] but it's really obscuring the mural at this point. [01:18:05] We can make contact with them. [01:18:07] And so then the other flower pot [01:18:10] that's along Main Street on their building, [01:18:12] that looks disgraceful, is that theirs? [01:18:15] It's got like, just a mishmash of awful plants. [01:18:21] You probably don't even notice it, [01:18:23] but it's a long one that extends [01:18:25] the whole length of the building on Main, [01:18:27] going from Bank towards Grand. [01:18:29] I don't think they're too concerned. [01:18:31] I mean, unfortunately, it might be something [01:18:33] we want to take over as well and maintain. [01:18:35] I mean, it is our downtown, but I just don't see [01:18:37] the health department putting money in, [01:18:39] kind of funding in it. [01:18:40] Something. [01:18:41] The thing is, it's their building, [01:18:42] and we need to get adjusted with them, [01:18:45] or we should do something with it. [01:18:46] If I can appear as a very nice guy who's very receptive, [01:18:48] I'm sure he'd be willing to work with us. [01:19:05] We have the US Highway Center [01:19:07] Median Landscaping Project, phase two. [01:19:12] That will complete and fill in all the center medians [01:19:16] that are currently in phase one. [01:19:20] We're gonna be doing the ones at our city limits, [01:19:23] and then the one at Main Street. [01:19:25] This project encompasses all the remaining ones. [01:19:28] And so we're expecting to, we're having [01:19:30] our pre-construction meeting for phase one tomorrow. [01:19:35] We're looking at the end of this month [01:19:37] for a notice to proceed, and then we expect [01:19:41] to be able to start construction on the phase two [01:19:46] at the latest by springtime. [01:19:48] We're still waiting with the DOT. [01:19:50] The funds that Mr. Armstrong is receiving [01:19:54] are all outside of us. [01:19:57] We're funding all the stuff on ours. [01:20:00] Correct. [01:20:01] This is just for maintenance of the landscape beds. [01:20:06] We're establishing the landscape beds with our funding [01:20:09] that we receive through a grant [01:20:11] from the Department of Transportation. [01:20:14] But ours includes the maintenance as well. [01:20:16] That's one of the things that we have to do. [01:20:19] I'm not sure about his funds. [01:20:20] If he's looking at the exterior right-of-ways [01:20:24] that are adjacent to the highway, [01:20:26] but ours are for the center medians. [01:20:28] That's what they're doing as well, I believe, [01:20:29] the center medians through the county. [01:20:32] Yeah. [01:20:33] We still have some project details [01:20:34] to work through with Mr. Armstrong. [01:20:39] The next project we have is the sidewalk improvements [01:20:47] along Grand Boulevard. [01:20:55] From Delaware all the way down to Gulf Drive. [01:21:01] Seems to have been something that's been on the agenda [01:21:04] for quite some time. [01:21:06] And Mr. Mayor, I'd make a motion to move to adjourn [01:21:08] for dinner. [01:21:09] I think we're at a good stopping point here.

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3. 3Adjournment