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   Joint Work Session with the Chasco Fiesta Steering Committee

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   Joint work session between City Council and the Chasco Fiesta Steering Committee to debrief the 2016 Chasco Fiesta and plan for 2017. Discussion covered the new park footprint, carnival layout and revenue impacts, sponsorship losses, parade costs, electrical needs, and the event's importance to ~25-30 non-profits. Council expressed willingness to keep the same carnival footprint next year and directed staff to coordinate earlier with the new Chasco Executive Director.

   • consensus:Council expressed willingness to retain the same carnival footprint used in 2016 for the next year's Chasco Fiesta if it worked for the committee and Parks and Rec. (none)
   • direction:Chasco committee to develop a plan for pre-inspections of vendors before building and fire inspections arrive. (none)

   📍131 Panicham Court, Newport Richey📍Central Boulevard📍Grand and Gulf Drive📍Main Street🏢Chasco Fiesta🏢Furman Cars🏢Hacienda🏢Publix🏢Sertoma🏢TDC (Tourist Development Council)🏢Trinity Odessa Chamber👤Chuck Gray👤Dan Sullivan👤Debbie👤Elaine👤Frank Starkey👤Jeff Krennage👤Judy Parker👤Katie Austin👤Michael Cox👤Wendy#Arts and Crafts Market Village#Chasco Fiesta 2016#Chasco parade#Moonbeam storm (2012)#Orange Lake residences development#Phase two park improvements#Seafood Festival / Seafest#TDC barricades request

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   [00:00:24] We called this meeting together to have a chance to sit down informally with you guys [00:00:30] as best as we can do informally since we're on air and being recorded. [00:00:36] Talk a little bit about Chasco Fiesta, how you did this year, and what plans we've got [00:00:42] for next year. [00:00:43] I want you guys to take it off. [00:00:47] Everybody needs a mic, if it doesn't have one. [00:00:52] Good evening, Dan Sullivan, Executive Director for the Trinity Odessa Chamber, and also helped [00:01:00] coordinate Chasco Fiesta. [00:01:01] You know, we had a beautiful park to work with. [00:01:05] We had a lot of changes that we had to work with, and we handled each situation as it [00:01:10] came across our table. [00:01:13] It was, I will tell you that the community loved the new park. [00:01:19] They were excited to be there. [00:01:21] The staff, both of the City Parks and Rec Department, Public Works, were a huge help [00:01:29] to us this year as we tried to navigate the new layout for the Chasco Fiesta in the park [00:01:35] and the parade. [00:01:36] You know, hats off to them. [00:01:39] We couldn't have done it without them. [00:01:40] They did a great job for us. [00:01:43] The event struggled a little bit this year due to a gold medal sponsor dropping. [00:01:51] They had signed up and committed, and then they lost their state funding, and we dropped. [00:01:54] So as we raised in sponsorship this year, we then fell back down, losing that gold medal [00:01:59] sponsor. [00:02:00] So that's always difficult when you're dealing with an event of that size. [00:02:07] We're at a point now where we've hired a new Executive Director for Chasco Fiesta. [00:02:12] That's Jeff Krennage. [00:02:13] Jeff? [00:02:14] So Jeff is now starting with us already, and we're not having to switch people and staff [00:02:20] at the last minute. [00:02:21] And that was one of our goals going into this new year, that we be prepared with one person [00:02:27] with a single goal and mission, and also start working on sponsorship a little sooner so [00:02:32] that we can increase our sponsorships for the event to make a great event for everybody. [00:02:38] Jeff? [00:02:39] The bottom line for me is I recommend it. [00:02:43] I love Chasco. [00:02:44] I'm a Chasco fan. [00:02:45] Grew up in New Portage, born and raised here. [00:02:48] But every year since I've been on council, I get phone call after phone call right before [00:02:52] Chasco regarding the carnival every year. [00:02:55] And they're not nice. [00:02:56] I mean, they're nice. [00:02:57] No one's yelling at me. [00:02:59] But it seems like going back and forth between the city, business owners around the carnival, [00:03:04] and Chasco. [00:03:05] And I know this year we were just finishing up the park. [00:03:08] No one was sure what the footprint was going to look like. [00:03:10] But I want to secure an understanding that Chasco event coordinators and the city both [00:03:18] agree on so we don't have to go through this every year. [00:03:21] Downtown is changing. [00:03:22] The park changed. [00:03:23] We added more square footage to the park by taking a couple roads down. [00:03:26] Frank Starkey's company is getting ready to build residences around, residences at [00:03:31] Orange Lake. [00:03:32] That could have an impact. [00:03:33] The Hacienda will hopefully be open sooner or later. [00:03:36] That's going to have an impact on that parking lot. [00:03:37] So I just want to secure some agreements here where this doesn't happen every year where [00:03:43] at the last minute it's like we need more space for the carnival. [00:03:47] I hope you all agree because I just don't want any surprises and I don't want you to [00:03:50] have surprises a month before Chasco starts. [00:03:53] So that's kind of why I recommend having a work session and meeting with you all. [00:03:59] The main thing for us is we need to know what and where we can put things. [00:04:04] That's what it comes down to. [00:04:05] With the new development, the effect of the new development would be our flea market that [00:04:10] we have there. [00:04:11] The Arts and Crafts Market Village is the official name of it. [00:04:14] That's something that can get moved to a different location so I don't see that affecting us [00:04:20] too much. [00:04:22] We had a couple of support vehicles on that property, one being my trailer. [00:04:28] I'm on property the whole time to deal with any security issues or any issues that might [00:04:32] come up during the week but we will have to adjust. [00:04:37] We know that once that construction starts that property is not going to be available [00:04:40] to us. [00:04:41] It wouldn't affect the car show too much unless we can't access Central Boulevard and the [00:04:48] lake. [00:04:50] Carnival footprint, that's again up to the city. [00:04:52] The city dictates what we're allowed to put where. [00:04:56] This year we went around the lake a little more so we just need to know if that was okay, [00:05:00] can we continue with that, are we going to lose parking. [00:05:05] That's kind of, we need that direction from you guys. [00:05:07] You had to exclude a couple of larger rides by doing that, correct? [00:05:11] How did that affect your revenue from the carnival? [00:05:13] That's correct. [00:05:14] We would have been able to put two larger rides there and generally, I have two kids, [00:05:19] they go to the carnival, when you're looking to buy wristbands the first thing you're going [00:05:22] to do is gauge the rides, if the wristband is worth the value of going on those rides. [00:05:28] So that could make a decision of someone not buying the wristband and not because there [00:05:32] wasn't enough larger rides for the kids to go on. [00:05:35] There would have been two to possibly three larger rides that we could have had if we [00:05:42] had that extra parking lot. [00:05:44] Because you also have to have stability, when we go around the lake, the lake is on grass, [00:05:50] you have less stability. [00:05:51] We also had some damage this year as those rides and displays tried to get into place. [00:05:58] We damaged some sidewalks that had to be replaced. [00:06:01] Elaine, how did the things with the carnival work as far as Parks and Rec was concerned? [00:06:10] Well, as Dan was mentioning, we did have a couple sidewalks that were cracked and had [00:06:16] to be repaired. [00:06:17] I believe there was also a hydraulic leak in the parking lot. [00:06:21] The sod and grass did recover from the use of putting the equipment around the lake. [00:06:30] So those items did recover. [00:06:33] Did any of you guys go to the Seafood Festival that was held a month or so ago? [00:06:43] They had a somewhat different layout with their vendors from what you guys did. [00:06:48] I thought it was amazing how many vendors they managed to cram into the new footprint. [00:06:53] They probably did a better job than you guys did. [00:06:56] Admittedly, you guys were the first ones to try to figure out how to lay out anything. [00:07:02] That seemed to work pretty well. [00:07:03] They had a, for lack of a better term, a food court in the one section right up between [00:07:12] the corner of Bank and Circle and the Concert Circle. [00:07:18] Well, the truth is, we don't really make much money on the vendors because it's non-profit. [00:07:26] So really, the only two things we make money on are sponsors and the economy. [00:07:32] That really pays for the bulk of our bills. [00:07:35] Without those two items, we wouldn't be able to have the business. [00:07:41] Because our whole goal is, I was explaining this to Debbie one day when we were talking about having her understand how we work and what our goals are and so forth. [00:08:00] I was explaining that our goal really isn't to put a bunch of money in our pockets as Chasco Fiesta. [00:08:09] Our goal is to be able to raise enough money to pay for the hard cost of having this event so that these non-profits have the opportunity to make most of their money for the year. [00:08:21] So, if we have an event like concerts and things like that that we do, we don't make any money on those. [00:08:30] We hope to break even. [00:08:32] Often, we lose money on them. [00:08:34] But the reason we do them is because without those types of things, we can't get major sponsors. [00:08:41] Major sponsors like Publix and Furman Cars and people like that, they want to be associated with something that's bigger than just somebody playing a guitar or ukulele on the stage. [00:08:58] So, that makes a big difference for us. [00:09:01] Part of the reason that we do the carnival or the main reason we do the carnival is because it's our major source of income other than our sponsorships. [00:09:12] So, every time the carnival shrinks, that means that it's less possible for us to do the Fiesta. [00:09:20] And we don't ever want to get into a situation where we either can't have the Fiesta anymore or we have to move it to some other location. [00:09:30] Because we worked so hard for 20 years to bring this Fiesta back downtown where it originally was and make it an event that never was a non-profit event before but now is. [00:09:43] And we have some over 30 non-profit organizations that do make money from this event and that's what our goal is to help them do that. [00:09:53] So, that's why when we are so seem so intransigent sometimes about the carnival, it's because we know that every time we are not able to put a major ride in there, we're going to lose money. [00:10:08] And I just asked Dan, when we had the numbers, we can't really quantify for you at this moment how much down we were in the carnival, but we were down significantly. [00:10:22] And not only did the fact that we had fewer rides, but also you remember on the parade day, it was a bad weather day. [00:10:35] And so the combination of those two things made things very tight for us. [00:10:40] Bad weather I don't think any of us can do anything about. [00:10:44] I heard you could, but I don't know. [00:10:48] From my perspective, if that carnival site as we had it this year worked for you guys and worked for Parks and Rec, I've got no problem whatsoever having the exact same footprint again for next year. [00:11:06] For the record, Michael Cox, I.D. 131 Panicham Court, New Port Richey. [00:11:25] At the end of the prior year, knowing that the park was at the end of Chasco the prior year, [00:11:53] the next day you came in and started to redesign the park and rebuild it immediately after. [00:11:59] So the carnival was prepared for the changes and I think that they were starting to get ready for this year. [00:12:10] Something significant that happened though is because of the fact that we were going to have a smaller carnival than prior, [00:12:19] he renegotiated the contract and it was not in our benefit for that. [00:12:25] So we felt that we didn't have a choice to do it because of the fact that there would be less rides there and he's a good operator. [00:12:36] So we wanted to definitely keep that in the back of our mind. [00:12:40] That's the most important thing. [00:12:42] But without the carnival, there would be no Chasco. [00:12:46] There's no question about that. [00:12:48] And to the Mayor's point about the use during the Seafest, I was impressed with the way they spread things out. [00:12:58] I think from our standpoint, since we were the first group going into the park, we wanted to try to keep some level of normal Chasco that we could. [00:13:12] So that's the reason why we laid things out. [00:13:16] But I don't think any of us are opposed to looking at different layouts and that type of thing. [00:13:21] But from the carnival standpoint, it's a good thing we didn't have more bad weather days because if we did, we really would have been in trouble. [00:13:30] And I think at the end of the day, Chasco probably lost a little bit of money this year. [00:13:35] So we run very tight. [00:13:39] One of the things that the steering committee is really focused on is trying to move Chasco to a higher level. [00:13:47] And that's why we've made some changes that we have. [00:13:50] And, you know, we really feel that at the end of the day, a couple years from now, [00:13:57] you're going to have a much more larger event with more things that you can be very proud of as a city to host. [00:14:06] Well, that's one thing that kind of concerns me as far as larger event. [00:14:10] Our downtown is not growing. [00:14:12] Higher quality I'm okay with. [00:14:14] I just urge you and the city to remember that we have no more space. [00:14:18] So the more and more people that continue to come to Chasco, and once again, I'm a Chasco fan, you know, [00:14:23] we may not be able to accommodate the number of people who are if it keeps growing and growing and growing as far as attendance goes. [00:14:31] It's just a concern that I have with the changes downtown. [00:14:41] Just to give it a little different perspective, I've been around here for almost 40 years, [00:14:47] but when I show up at anything to do with the Chasco, everybody cringes because everything that I do costs money. [00:14:55] You know, we talk about making money, talking about the other side, the parade, the street parade. [00:15:00] It brings 100,000 people into downtown New Port Richey on a good year when it doesn't [00:15:05] rain. [00:15:06] I said I probably would guess maybe 40% of that were here this year. [00:15:15] It was amazing. [00:15:16] I was standing there at Grand and Gulf Drive with the chief at 1245 and he said, are we [00:15:24] going to do it? [00:15:25] And I said, yes. [00:15:26] And he said, he looked down Grand Boulevard and we said, who for? [00:15:29] We saw nobody. [00:15:38] But the parade costs money and Chasco counts on the carnival and the sponsorships to pay [00:15:43] for it. [00:15:44] When you start thinking about what it costs the city, I'm just guessing, but I'm going [00:15:49] to say a third of all the costs to the city for Chasco Fiesta is parade day and up to [00:15:54] parade and after the parade. [00:15:56] The chief has to have an officer at Public Works for two days while we move barricades. [00:16:04] We're going to ask for more barricades from the TDC. [00:16:07] We need them. [00:16:08] But I'm not exactly sure where we're going to put them at Public Works, but we'll find [00:16:12] a place. [00:16:13] They've always been good about that. [00:16:16] But the parade costs a lot of money to put on, both in time and effort, but it's our [00:16:24] signature event and it draws a lot to the Chasco. [00:16:27] If it had not rained with the Marines this year, I think we would have had a record crowd. [00:16:31] We would have seen just how many people the park could have held. [00:16:35] But it costs money for that, so I don't want to see us have to drag the other events down. [00:16:40] I want to be able to build them up rather than, because nothing ever stays level. [00:16:45] You're either getting better or worse. [00:16:47] Not too very many people in this world believe that everything can stay constant. [00:16:50] It doesn't. [00:16:52] Well, you've got, in the Chasco parade, and I don't get a swollen head, but I think of [00:17:00] all the parades in the Tampa Bay area, Chasco parade is probably second only to Gasparilla. [00:17:07] I mean, it's that good, that high quality of a parade. [00:17:11] I know you guys have raised the fees to be in the parade. [00:17:16] You may want to keep watching that because you're still charging way less than what Gasparilla [00:17:20] does. [00:17:21] I think people participate in the parade because it is that good a parade, and that might help [00:17:28] offset some of those costs. [00:17:32] One question I had, and I don't know if you guys have had a chance to think about it, [00:17:37] but are there any places in the park where we need more electrical drops or other stuff [00:17:44] to be added as we go back and make some phase two changes to the park? [00:17:50] Yeah, electric's always an issue. [00:17:54] In order, if we want to change the layout in the park, we didn't use any of the north [00:18:00] side of the park, south side of the park, that would have been by Main Street. [00:18:04] One of the reasons is electric's limited, the type of electric, there are standard house [00:18:10] plugs that are there. [00:18:12] You don't want to keep running cords across. [00:18:16] I had one, the present and sponsor likes to be on the inside of the circle, so I had to [00:18:20] run a 10-gauge cord underneath, jam it into the crack, and I had to constantly watch it [00:18:27] to make sure it didn't pop up and cause a trip and hazard, but at the same time, I got [00:18:33] to get electric to the present and sponsor, otherwise they're not lighting up their tent. [00:18:36] They're not going to write that big check for us. [00:18:41] We installed electric this year with the help of the city, down by the Native American [00:18:48] area that's there, and then also by the Hacienda, because we needed that extra electric. [00:18:55] But the ballast around, I mean, it's always an issue, we always have. [00:18:59] I know the city did add electric for us by Sertoma. [00:19:03] That was a huge help. [00:19:04] Sertoma wound up having issues, how they were trying to hook up to it, but they were able [00:19:09] to work that out in the end. [00:19:12] One of the things that our wrap-up meeting with the city was, you know, the inspections [00:19:18] and how to go through that. [00:19:19] So we're hoping to put a new plan in place on how we're going to deal with those inspections [00:19:24] before the building inspection and fire get there, that we're more prepared. [00:19:30] It's difficult for a vent to organize this, while we're running around trying to put out [00:19:33] all these fires and issues, that we also have to go and inspect, pre-inspect these people, [00:19:39] and we're not qualified to be able to do that, so we've got to figure out a solution for that. [00:19:45] Deputy Mayor, you've been quiet here. [00:19:47] I just wanted everybody to have their say. [00:19:50] I mean, obviously, we've all been around a long time, seeing Luchasco evolve to where [00:19:56] it is, and we've all dealt with weather, we've dealt with, you know, I was on council when [00:20:02] the Moonbeam storm came through, so I was on one of those times when it didn't actually happen. [00:20:06] So, you know, a little perspective. [00:20:09] I needed to ask some logistical questions, so if you could entertain these, I would appreciate it, [00:20:18] because obviously, I usually get into the numbers pretty well, and you know, these are [00:20:25] pretty generic, and I know my first year back on council, we literally had to do the scene [00:20:33] from Dave the movie to save $25,000 that year, so that Luchasco didn't lose it in 2012, [00:20:42] when we had our former city manager here, who couldn't get out of his own damn way, [00:20:47] so that's as kind as I can be, but I'm telling it like it is, because that's who I am, [00:20:52] and I'm not pulling any punches, because I don't have to talk nice about him anymore. [00:20:56] So, but the bottom line is, what I'm trying to understand is, you know, there's a balance, [00:21:02] you've got the parade, we've got the boat parade, we did it from a non-profit element, [00:21:08] obviously we have a new park, and I heard somebody mention that there's like 30 non-profits, [00:21:14] 25, and I've also seen over my years, and the girl here proves it, that when you've had [00:21:22] a director that's been there, or has been there for multiple years, that the logistics [00:21:29] and everything kind of worked their way through, with Wendy, Judy Parker, all those things, [00:21:34] so having somebody on early, and not playing catch-up towards the end is going to be very [00:21:39] beneficial, we all know that, that's a given, you know, where I was, as many of them I did [00:21:49] for the non-profits, because I'm, I may probably be the only one on council now that's looking [00:21:56] at trying to figure out how much money we spend, hard dollars, and how much in kind [00:22:03] we do, and the impact, because we impact our staff before, during, and after the event, [00:22:11] and so there's things that we're stepping up now, between now and our budget season, [00:22:17] to try to figure out how well in my mind, to me, not anybody else on council at the [00:22:23] moment, to define how I'm going to spend our dollars, to better identify those major events [00:22:32] that the city is involved with, whether it's hard dollars, or in kind, and so, estimate, [00:22:42] can anybody give me kind of an estimate for the non-profit, individually or totally, how [00:22:49] much money is driven to those non-profits, and I'll piggyback on that after I get it [00:22:55] in the bill, somebody can, and I don't mean dollar for dollar, but somebody can range [00:22:59] it for me, because, you know, we talk about TDC, and they really haven't, in my mind, [00:23:05] even though they have a seat on that bill, they still haven't stepped back up, and majority [00:23:10] of that money over the first 20 years came from West Pasco, and so, you know, it's time [00:23:17] to talk about what's real, we want more barricades, we want some other things, so, I'd just like [00:23:22] to be able to quantify what the impact that event has, and then I'll tell you what my [00:23:30] idea is, Michael? [00:23:31] Well, from a non-profit standpoint, about a quarter million dollars a year, is what [00:23:39] generates. [00:23:40] It's been as high as, sorry, Katie Austin, it's been as high since I've been chairing [00:23:47] about 350, and since that's when we had over 30 not-for-profit organizations, so, it has [00:23:54] scaled back, and for most of those not-for-profit organizations, if they didn't have Chasco, [00:24:00] they wouldn't, that sustains them throughout the year, in which we all know that, so, you [00:24:06] know, that's our mission, to give back to the not-for-profits, of course, but I just [00:24:12] want to thank each and every one of you for everything, the park is absolutely beautiful, [00:24:19] everybody just raved about it, and everybody had a great time, so, I just appreciate, and [00:24:27] I can speak for the stank, and I just appreciate everything that the city has done throughout [00:24:32] the years for Chasco Fiesta. [00:24:34] Off of the numbers you provided us, and obviously, we allocated another alcohol portion, and [00:24:47] obviously, that helped offset your losing that big sponsor at the end, so, understanding [00:24:55] that, your profit points, can somebody define for me, you mentioned that the parade is a [00:25:03] big expense, you've got the carnival, and you have the concert, which I can imagine [00:25:10] putting those on, gets to be more daunting, and then, the footprint for how that concert [00:25:15] is, and how you have to cordon things off, and depending on the act you get that year, [00:25:20] and how successful they are right before they get here, I'm sure is a big play, but, can [00:25:27] you give me an idea of some of the profit points, or profit centers? [00:25:35] This is Chuck Gray, this is the biggest items that we have that bring money into the event [00:25:40] are, as I mentioned, the carnival, and the sponsors themselves, we have a multitude of [00:25:47] sponsors, some of them are as small as $1000, and some of them are as big as $20,000, but [00:25:56] those are two of the biggest, the money we get from the concerts really help to cover [00:26:04] the cost of the concerts, and so, but without that concert event happening, then the sponsors [00:26:14] disappear, the major sponsors disappear, so, that's why it's important to have that, and [00:26:21] other than that, the money that we get returned from the vendors is very small, minuscule, [00:26:30] and some, you know, the maximum I think we get from any vendor is $1000, and most probably [00:26:41] we get $250 to $300. [00:26:44] Gotcha, last year... [00:26:48] Right there, what do you think of the application for the parade, you have like $100,000 to [00:26:53] $125,000, some are not, some are profitable, what kind of money is coming in initially [00:26:59] from that? [00:27:00] I mean, some of it is going back out, but how much is actually going back out? [00:27:03] I don't need that. [00:27:04] Five years ago we did a study on the expenses of the parade, five years ago it was $30,000, [00:27:16] that's what it cost us. [00:27:18] We've got bands, expense, we've got what we, our portion of the city with the expenses [00:27:24] of set up, take down, we have to pick up trash, all the things that have to be done, the King [00:27:31] and Queen, all this stuff is an expense, so it's a huge expense, the money we're talking [00:27:36] about with the revenue from what we charge, we charge the same price this year that they [00:27:43] charge for the Strawberry Festival. [00:27:45] We had our closest cousin, if you will, in size of parade and everything, and it went [00:27:53] up to $300,000 if you will, a not-for-profit, I mean a for-profit business, but that was [00:27:58] the same amount, but you're only talking about 30 or 40 entries. [00:28:06] We had 88 entries in the parade. [00:28:08] We're not charging bands, we're not charging the school kids, you can't charge them, they [00:28:13] can't even afford the buses. [00:28:14] Yeah. [00:28:17] Spring break 10 years before, the previous 10 years instead of this one, and we'll have [00:28:22] it next year too. [00:28:34] The good and the bad is, we started charging a fee, and they don't have records in the [00:28:39] parade anymore. [00:28:41] It cleaned it up. [00:28:42] It shortened it, but it cleaned it up. [00:28:44] We got the records, don't pay $125 to drive through the parade. [00:28:47] When it was free, they loved it. [00:28:51] The records. [00:28:53] Tow trucks. [00:28:54] Tow trucks. [00:28:55] Tow trucks. [00:28:56] And Ms. Mance, can you remind me this year, because my memory is a little short, our high [00:29:05] dollars, was it $40,000 that we had this year in the budget? [00:29:08] Is that what I remember? [00:29:10] In response to your question, Mr. Deputy Mayor, we spent $38,000 in in-kind support for the [00:29:15] Chasco, yes, for this year. [00:29:17] In-kind, that takes in all the fire, police, everything from that nature. [00:29:24] That's correct. [00:29:25] And those fire and police folks are on our clock while they're working, correct? [00:29:33] That's correct. [00:29:34] So anything they did as OT and everything else goes against all their bottom line, right? [00:29:39] I just want to make sure. [00:29:46] Well, whatever it is, it's still an expense. [00:29:49] That's where I'm at. [00:29:50] And I guess with your new director and where we are and kind of what we're moving to, [00:29:56] my big question is, [00:30:00] Define what kind of experience you want people to have at Chasco moving forward, because [00:30:07] I, you know, we keep evolving and I want to make sure that we understand what your experience [00:30:15] level is so that we can kind of work from our side to either help or discuss that, because [00:30:23] I have to tell you, even with the down crowd on Saturday, with the carnival, we still had [00:30:32] incidents in downtown that were disturbing to me. [00:30:37] And when I see 20 police officers headed through the carnival over by the mayor's office because [00:30:47] of some of the folks that are there, and we can't control that in a lot of cases, I just [00:30:51] am trying to understand what's the experience level, so if there is one, then we're all [00:30:57] on the same page moving it forward over the next couple of years. [00:31:01] So somebody give me an idea of kind of what's the experience, and each weekend is different, [00:31:08] I understand. [00:31:09] Yeah, each weekend, each day is different. [00:31:10] There's a lot of different music every day, and there's a lot of different things. [00:31:11] One thing we did forget to mention, though, is that for us being in the Native Americans, [00:31:23] it's a huge expense. [00:31:24] We pay a lot of money for that to happen, and we don't really get anything back from [00:31:29] it. [00:31:30] But we felt it was important to try to continue that tradition, and maybe we won't be able [00:31:39] to in the future, we don't know. [00:31:41] It just depends on how we proceed. [00:31:44] But that's a major expense for us, and as far as what we envisage in the future, New Port Richey [00:31:58] is often a drive-by city. [00:32:01] People drive down 19, and they never see the city. [00:32:06] I can't tell you how many people on the Chamber of Commerce board have never really been downtown, [00:32:16] or been to the Chasco Fiesta, or been to events, the Seafood Fest, or whatever it might be, [00:32:25] and because it's hard to get people off of 19 to turn onto Main Street to come downtown. [00:32:31] They don't even know it's there. [00:32:34] And the only way we can get them to know it's there is to promote the downtown, and part [00:32:39] of that promotion has to be some event that they would want to come to, to give us an [00:32:45] opportunity to show them what they're missing. [00:32:50] We have, you know, I've talked to Frank Starkey, he's two doors down from me, and his comment [00:32:58] to me was that, had he had the opportunity to build Longleaf in New Port Richey, where [00:33:05] we had a river that runs to the Gulf of Mexico, and a lake that presents a beautiful location, [00:33:14] we had a $14 million rec center. [00:33:17] There's so many good things about this city that most people don't even know about. [00:33:22] People like Frank are just finding out about. [00:33:25] And without bringing people to this community and exposing them to what we have, [00:33:30] there's no opportunity to grow. [00:33:34] So we see ourselves, number one, to help people that need help, non-profit people. [00:33:42] And number two, to help our city grow and bring in the kind of people that want to have [00:33:48] an atmosphere where they can get out, walk the streets, have a good time, have things to do, [00:33:54] and restaurants to eat in, those types of things. [00:33:58] Places where people want to come and live, ultimately, and start to apply some of the [00:34:05] other residential properties that we have downtown. [00:34:10] So we think that's all part of the catalyst that will bring us other development. [00:34:15] The last thing I need to ask is, over the last 20 years, you know, we see from the numbers [00:34:21] that were provided last year, the net proceeds were like $13,000. [00:34:28] Give me an idea over the last 20 years, you know, the Clint Eastwood movie, Good to Bad and Ugly. [00:34:34] What is, you know, what is the highest net proceeds? [00:34:41] And it would be taxing my brain to go back. [00:34:45] Because obviously, if we don't set the benchmarks and we don't set the other things [00:34:49] and we don't work collectively over this next year to plug those areas, [00:34:57] you know, we can't control weather, even though the mirror likes to, [00:35:01] sitting behind the mirror of this car that looks like a go-kart. [00:35:08] It was parked next to Bob Ramfell's little two-person sled, [00:35:13] and we almost mixed up which was which. [00:35:16] But I'm just, because I think if we start from a goal of where we want to be next year, [00:35:21] I think we can work to that point instead of trying to set the goal a week before we get there. [00:35:26] So that's the reason I'm asking, because I don't want to talk to my colleagues during budget session [00:35:32] about defining two key events outside of some of the greater New Port Richey group, [00:35:41] because I really want to have those larger quality events, [00:35:47] and I want to limit some of the overall ongoing impact, [00:35:52] but I also want to be able to be identified, those are the key events that the city is invested in, [00:35:59] you know, Bike Fest and Chasco and then some of the other things, [00:36:05] because I don't want to be everything to everybody, because I don't think we can. [00:36:09] But I want to make sure as we step forward, we become more site-specific. [00:36:15] So any idea what your best year? [00:36:19] Well, I think, you know, typically our best years over the last 20 years have been, [00:36:24] we've been able to retain maybe $25,000. [00:36:27] Our lower years, we've been able to retain maybe $10,000. [00:36:31] Our goal, and I'm speaking of myself, and I speak for the entire board, [00:36:37] but my goal would be to try to retain somewhere approaching $50,000, [00:36:43] and that is because we need to create a fund that we can then improve the events that we have. [00:36:52] We don't want to improve the footprint, Jeff. [00:36:55] We don't want to improve the size of the event, but we do want to improve the quality of the event, [00:37:01] and the only way we can do that is to have the money to do it. [00:37:06] Thank you very much for filling my questions, you know, because we only see the face of it. [00:37:15] We understand that there's a lot of making the sausage, because we have to do that up here sometimes, [00:37:20] but we understand, and obviously fitting into our footprint, [00:37:25] and then basically how your concerts come together, but understanding where those are. [00:37:31] So I appreciate you taking the time to educate me on those. [00:37:34] Thank you. [00:37:35] Thank you. [00:37:36] Councilman? [00:37:37] Yes, thank you all for being here tonight. [00:37:39] Well, intriguing is, you know, looking at the figures, the revenues, and the expenses, [00:37:47] knowing that the city's got about $38,000 in kind, so that none of that is represented in the revenues. [00:37:56] The outdoor sales, are those separate from the $240,000, or are they built into the $240,000? [00:38:03] They would be included, and we also, Sotoma is the one that does the beer sales, [00:38:12] so again, we're helping a nonprofit group as we do that. [00:38:16] Okay, well, that was my next question. [00:38:18] So you have about 25 nonprofits. [00:38:22] Let me back up a minute. [00:38:23] Dan, what is your title or position in Chasco, with Chasco? [00:38:28] Basically, I would be a volunteer for Chasco. [00:38:31] I am the executive director for Trinity Odessa Chamber, [00:38:34] who is contracted to assist the steering committee to coordinate Chasco. [00:38:40] We have a position, which is Jeff Krennage. [00:38:43] He will be the executive director for Chasco and be the coordinator for Chasco. [00:38:48] Okay, thank you. [00:38:49] So I've been here maybe 40-something years, and Chasco has been synonymous with the city of New Port Richey. [00:38:57] What I'm hearing from constituents is this confusion or this disconnect that Chasco is New Port Richey, [00:39:05] but you're not here. [00:39:06] Now you're out in Trinity, and, you know, some of the concerns are that, you know, [00:39:14] will the sponsors that you're trying to garner for here, you know, is there a disconnect? [00:39:30] Let me try to answer that, Chuck Gray. [00:39:34] We have engaged the Trinity Odessa Chamber to help us organize the event, [00:39:44] simply because the West Chasco Chamber did not want to do it anymore, [00:39:49] and they did not want to house us in that top of that building. [00:39:53] They needed the space. [00:39:55] So we created our own corporation. [00:39:59] So we're a separate corporation now. [00:40:02] What we needed really was somebody that had the infrastructure available to help us administer the event, [00:40:10] because we only have one paid employee for this whole event. [00:40:16] Everybody else is a volunteer, and we really want a tight ship. [00:40:22] We're not geared to moving, obviously. [00:40:26] We wouldn't be going through what we were going through with all these years [00:40:29] if we were thinking about moving the event. [00:40:32] This is an ideal location for us. [00:40:34] This is how we all grew up here. [00:40:37] This is in our blood. [00:40:41] The idea of moving to Trinity would be very unappealing to me personally, [00:40:47] and I'm sure it would be to a lot of people on this board. [00:40:51] We would only consider something like that if you didn't want us here, [00:40:56] and that's really up to you, and that would be extremely disappointing to me. [00:41:04] I think we're all of the same mind with regard to that. [00:41:10] Our association with Trinity really derived from Dan being an employee of the West Chasco Chamber, [00:41:20] and his overall familiarity with our event. [00:41:24] So he was a natural for us to go to once we retired, [00:41:28] and once the West Chasco Chamber didn't want to lessen their involvement, let's say. [00:41:37] They're still involved. [00:41:38] They're still a gold medal sponsor. [00:41:39] They still do the golf tournament and other things, [00:41:43] but they don't help us administer the event. [00:41:48] I think that's probably one of the biggest confusions we're trying to hear, [00:41:52] especially from what people see, you know, the steering committee, [00:41:56] which is the driving force for the success of Chasco over all these years. [00:42:01] You know, most of you all live and work here, so, you know, again, [00:42:05] there is that disconnect with, you know, why are they out there, especially on the part of the city? [00:42:12] Well, to answer your question, you know, no one wants to see Chasco leave the city. [00:42:18] As I said, it's synonymous with the city. [00:42:20] It's a Chasco event. [00:42:21] As a matter of fact, you've heard me share that, you know, [00:42:24] the event is in the Library of Congress as a local legacy. [00:42:29] So it certainly helps define the city, so that's, you know, take that off the table. [00:42:35] But with that said, I think that is a confusion on the parts of folks that saw it as an exit of the city, [00:42:44] that, you know, happy that it worked out with you with Dan, [00:42:49] but again, the confusion ought to be housed out there. [00:42:54] The other thing that is not clear, [00:42:59] so you have about 25 nonprofits that are participating, [00:43:03] and they're making, you're suggesting about 250,000, possibly even higher yet, [00:43:08] from what they're participating in with Chasco. [00:43:12] What is it that they are doing? [00:43:14] If you're getting a percentage of, for instance, your food vendors, I think, are all nonprofits, [00:43:21] if there is a small percentage that you're getting, that would imply that, you know, how much of that is? [00:43:29] You know, if I could just say, we don't really get a percentage of what they do [00:43:34] because there's no way to track, you know, how much they sell. [00:43:38] We recognize that, and, you know, we know that everybody wants to be honest, [00:43:43] but sometimes they lose track of how much money they make, and that can happen. [00:43:48] So what we did is we just decided that we have a minimum fee of, I think, $350, [00:43:55] and if they made so much money that they couldn't deny that they made that much money, [00:44:02] then they could pay up to $1,000. [00:44:05] And, you know, I think Shatarma and maybe one other organization pays the $1,000 fee. [00:44:15] Excuse me. [00:44:16] The Lighthouse for the Blind, which provides the venue for, I do, for the king and queen. [00:44:26] So that's the only, yeah. [00:44:30] I see. So that's part of Chaska. [00:44:32] Yes. [00:44:33] So it's the money that they make as a result of their event. [00:44:36] Right. Okay. [00:44:37] Well, that helps to clarify because, and I know that folks know the Shatarma, [00:44:42] and, you know, you do a golf tournament. [00:44:44] There's other, you know, smaller things, but, you know, to ratchet it up to that point, it's, you know. [00:44:50] So the fee structure works. [00:44:51] They pay a $300 upfront fee, and then based, it's 15% of their proceeds up to $1,000. [00:45:00] So that's the most we can get from each one of those nonprofits. [00:45:04] And then the other, you know, that your proceeds are approximately $13,000. [00:45:11] So you're doing an 11-day event or a 9-day event. [00:45:14] Pardon? [00:45:16] 9-day event, right? [00:45:18] Yeah, 9, right. [00:45:21] A 9-day event, and the bottom line for you is $13,000. [00:45:27] Is that so then in the expenses or is that where your fee is for the head of Cheska? [00:45:37] Does that come out of the blue? [00:45:42] No, that's after the fee. [00:45:45] They have to pay us a fee to coordinate the event. [00:45:48] And then the chamber, he's an employee of the chamber. [00:45:52] Okay, so he's an employee of the chamber. [00:45:56] Could I just address the issue of why is the Trinity of Desert Chamber organizing the event? [00:46:05] And, you know, as a founder of that chamber, when we identified the need to have a chamber out there, [00:46:15] you know, that was the driving force to form it. [00:46:19] But as you all know, dues of the chamber do not sustain it. [00:46:24] So you have to do other fundraising. [00:46:27] And we made a very conscious decision that we didn't think was in the best interest of the community overall [00:46:34] to add another fundraising event to the multiple ones that go on every week in this community. [00:46:44] So what we decided to do was to use some of the expertise that we have in Dan to organize events, [00:46:55] to help them coordinate their fundraiser. [00:47:00] And that's really the niche that we've derived for ourselves. [00:47:06] The Taste of Trinity is another one that we are involved with where we are just the organizing entity. [00:47:14] And because of our involvement, they have had record sales, if you will, [00:47:21] in the money that they raise for their cause, for their school. [00:47:24] And, you know, that we feel that it gives us an opportunity to help sustain the chamber [00:47:31] by having this CHASCO contract. [00:47:33] So it's not an issue where we do not want to move the event out of New Port Richey. [00:47:40] It works best in New Port Richey. [00:47:43] I mean, I remember every parade day sitting on the sidewalk when I was a little kid. [00:47:49] Granted, I'm not much taller now, but I did have more hair back then. [00:47:53] You were a little kid. [00:47:55] With my little feather, you know, that my dad would get me. [00:48:01] I know you have another question, but I also wanted to hear from you guys [00:48:06] how you think we can make the event better. [00:48:08] And specifically, Council Member Starkey, [00:48:13] tell us how you feel we can do something different with the carnival [00:48:18] because we don't want your phone to ring. [00:48:20] The most negative impact that I saw with the carnival over the years past, [00:48:24] bringing my children there, was the behavior of the employees. [00:48:28] I understand these are not highly educated people, [00:48:30] but the majority of them made circle ball above their own ashtray. [00:48:34] The vulgar language I heard coming out of some of these roadies mouths, [00:48:38] I guess you call them roadies, carnival roadies. [00:48:40] Younger kids, carnival employees, let's say, younger kids in their teens, [00:48:45] mixing with kids that were up to no good that, you know, [00:48:49] are unfortunately residing in our streets. [00:48:52] Just the behavior, and I talked to Mr. Gray about this more than once, [00:48:55] the behavior I saw from the employees was not acceptable. [00:48:59] And like you were stating, and it's very encouraging to hear, [00:49:02] you have high standards for your event. [00:49:04] It's an unbelievable event. [00:49:05] Whether there's a better fit to move it or not, [00:49:08] it would never be moved in my opinion. [00:49:10] Look at the pictures on the wall out there. [00:49:11] It's a new Portagee event. [00:49:12] They did it, they started in the 20s. [00:49:14] So it's never going to get moved. [00:49:15] And whether Trinity Odessa Chamber of Commerce organizes, [00:49:19] I'm not concerned with that. [00:49:20] It's a new Portagee downtown event. [00:49:22] However, when these vendors come into our city, [00:49:25] they're a reflection of us as a city. [00:49:27] And the behavior I saw from the employees was just unacceptable to say the least. [00:49:32] And I addressed it with Mr. Gray. [00:49:34] I did see a large improvement this year. [00:49:37] I don't know if he spoke to the manager of the carnival and addressed my concerns. [00:49:41] But when people, whether we have a pretty park or not, [00:49:45] when people come downtown to go to Chaska and go to the carnival [00:49:48] and see some of the behavior that I witnessed over the last few years, [00:49:51] to me that is 100% unacceptable. [00:49:54] But I just want to make one more thing clear. [00:49:57] So I did see an improvement, [00:49:58] and I hope that's reiterated every year when this carnival comes to town. [00:50:02] Until the layout and the footprint of the carnival became a problem, [00:50:06] I saw animosity between Chaska and the city, which was disheartening to me. [00:50:10] I personally didn't realize what a fundraiser it was for you. [00:50:13] And I was kind of like, well, if it's going to be a dirty little carnival, let's get rid of it. [00:50:17] Obviously that's not an option, so let's improve the standards of the carnival. [00:50:20] And go from there. [00:50:22] I like the footprint last year, or 2016. [00:50:26] It was, you know, I'm sorry you had to take a couple of the larger rides down, [00:50:30] but just having it wrap around the lake and having the lights around the lake as a wraparound, [00:50:34] to me was very, very, it was beautiful to see. [00:50:38] So just so I'm clear, until we have to cross the Hacienda Bridge once the Hacienda opens, [00:50:44] and we are addressing parking downtown as, you know, part of our capital improvement program, [00:50:49] you are okay with the same layout for the carnival in the upcoming years to come as we had in 2016? [00:50:54] Perfect. [00:50:55] And I think the city, I was concerned about the grass coming back. [00:50:58] Elaine said it didn't. [00:50:59] It didn't take too long. [00:51:00] And, I mean, granted you had to take a few rides out, but I just thought wrap around the lake. [00:51:05] And fortunately we had the room. [00:51:07] I just, to me it was a huge improvement. [00:51:09] And like I said, the conduct of the employees this year was a huge improvement as well, [00:51:13] and I hope that continues. [00:51:15] One of the reasons why we do like the operator of the carnival as much as we do is because he doesn't put up [00:51:22] with inappropriate behavior from his employees. [00:51:25] We've seen him on multiple occasions fire people right on the spot when he's made aware of issues. [00:51:32] So that's something that we won't tolerate, and it's duly noted. [00:51:39] So I appreciate your feedback. [00:51:44] One other question. [00:51:46] If these are the numbers that you're getting and it's a nine-day event, one of the things I'm wondering is, [00:51:52] are you looking to tighten, again, I don't know who to look at. [00:51:54] Who am I addressing? [00:51:55] You? [00:51:56] You? [00:51:57] Whoever. [00:51:58] Yeah, does it make sense to tighten it up and not make it perhaps a nine-day event? [00:52:03] You know, because I don't know what expenses are for the fact that you have it, you know, as long. [00:52:10] And the other piece is, you know, the city, you know, [00:52:13] investing nearly $40,000 into the event, I think that is rather concerning again. [00:52:19] But, you know, when it was housed here and was here and it was, you know, a strong part of the city, [00:52:25] that kind of outlay makes good sense. [00:52:29] Well, it is housed here, and it still is here. [00:52:32] That hasn't changed. [00:52:34] So I'm not sure I understand that part of the question. [00:52:37] But we have shortened the event. [00:52:43] It was originally 12 days. [00:52:45] We've changed it to 10, and now we're about an hour down to nine. [00:52:48] But we have to incorporate two weekends because of the boat parade and the street parade. [00:52:54] And so much goes into setting everything up and doing everything that we do. [00:53:00] It would be foolish to let everything sit there empty for a week. [00:53:03] So that week in between is what we fill in with, you know, more local groups and bands and so forth like that. [00:53:12] They're not quite as expensive. [00:53:14] Our features are on each weekend. [00:53:17] So it's not really practical for us to shorten the event. [00:53:21] It works well like it is. [00:53:22] We can improve the events we have. [00:53:26] There's some things that we've talked about doing within the framework of what we have done in the past, [00:53:33] but just to improve it. [00:53:35] So I hope that answers your question. [00:53:38] Yeah, and just one more question. [00:53:41] Again, the event itself is so much a part of the Native Americans. [00:53:47] And so their participation in it, you know, they're on that first weekend, I think. [00:53:54] And I don't know, you know, was it always that way that they were just here on that first weekend? [00:54:01] Because, again, it just seems like the emphasis is kind of off the Native Americans and that's such a huge part of that. [00:54:07] You know, anyone thinks of Chesco, they think of, as Michael said, you know, the real American Indian connection. [00:54:15] Well, you have to realize that we're somewhat limited in what we can do with the Native American events [00:54:21] because of protests and so forth we've had in the past. [00:54:24] So we try to be conscious of those things, not run into those issues again. [00:54:29] You know, things that I've talked to Jeff about that we're not happy to have had to delete, [00:54:35] but that's the way it's worked out. [00:54:38] And so we do the best we can, but we also can't afford to pay, you know, instead of $30,000, [00:54:45] we can't afford to pay $50,000 for an event just to extend it and only get no revenue from it. [00:54:54] Thank you. [00:54:55] Councilman Davis. [00:54:59] Welcome, Mayor Paul Ritchie. [00:55:01] In 1922, we could push in 100 years, you know, I think it was the support of the library initially. [00:55:08] I am, you know, 100%, you need me, I'm there to help. [00:55:13] And I can't talk highly enough, and I think the addition of the Christian night has, like, [00:55:19] made another whole awakening of what it's about. [00:55:23] What you need from us, be glad to help what you need. [00:55:26] But I really like, I think it needs to be one thought, just one thing is that since we took Grand out, [00:55:34] it never did kind of go across the street, and now there isn't a street except during the parade. [00:55:39] So you have that whole circle, and you kind of snuck around a quarter of it. [00:55:42] But it's all open to you, and so, you know, whether the flea market moves on part of that, [00:55:50] get people going around there, or maybe something else needs to go there. [00:55:52] But I think you've got a whole year to pick it out, pick it apart and put it back together, [00:55:57] and I think it will probably be even better next year. [00:55:59] Yeah, that's what we're trying to do, John. [00:56:02] We really appreciate your support, too. [00:56:04] It's very important to have the support of the council like we do, [00:56:09] and I'm glad we were able to come together on the placement of the commonwealth [00:56:14] to make that better for the city. [00:56:16] We're really happy about that. [00:56:19] We're looking forward to tightening things up as much as we can [00:56:23] and trying to become more profitable. [00:56:26] We get tremendous cooperation from the city and the Fort Worth Police Department. [00:56:32] Those guys that come down there really add a lot, and they're great people. [00:56:37] The people in Parks and Rec, they have a great attitude. [00:56:42] So we have a great relationship with the city overall, [00:56:46] and we intend to maintain that relationship and make it better for these nonprofits, [00:56:53] make it better for the Fiesta itself. [00:56:56] The hour is getting late, but Deputy Mayor. [00:56:59] Yeah, just one last thing is that obviously this is helpful for us tonight. [00:57:04] That way it gives us between now. [00:57:06] We have our budget coming up, so that's going to help us reset some things. [00:57:11] We're also going to be able to see another very large event [00:57:14] that's going to be utilizing different parts of downtown and everything else. [00:57:20] And with Jeff's original concerns that he talked about, [00:57:24] we'd love for you to come see us once we've set our budget [00:57:29] and we have our conversations because I have some ideas over and above with your nonprofits [00:57:35] and some things that might happen a weekend or two after that [00:57:39] because I really think that those nonprofits need to understand the impact they have [00:57:44] and also get some ownership into that park. [00:57:47] So I have some ideas in my mind that I want to work out a little bit [00:57:52] and then discuss with colleagues during that in-kind setting that we talk about [00:57:57] that we allocate dollars to Chasco, [00:58:00] whether it's through the Avalon budget side or the CRA budget side. [00:58:04] So I want to do that. [00:58:06] But we'd love for you to come see us more than likely in January. [00:58:11] Right after the first of the year, our budget will already be two months down the road. [00:58:16] That way we're talking about this in January, February. [00:58:20] Anything that's out there that's a moving part, you're new to it, all these, [00:58:26] I think if we're 60, 90 days ahead, I think that relationship only gets better, stronger, quality. [00:58:32] All those things that come to play, [00:58:34] and we also figure out where we are after the first of the year and those kind of things. [00:58:38] So that would be a suggestion that I would make, Ms. Manns, [00:58:42] and to my colleagues kind of moving forward so that we take this another step next year [00:58:47] and then you step it one more the following year. [00:58:49] I have one more question. [00:58:51] We have the video screen now that's been installed, [00:58:54] and we just need to know what kind of the contact point is for that [00:59:00] because we want to try to incorporate in a sponsorship package [00:59:04] and also to make sure we know who's going to actually operate it for us. [00:59:10] We're working on a marketing plan right now, [00:59:13] and I think once the marketing plan's finalized then I think you'll have all your answers there. [00:59:19] We decided as council members last meeting, I think it was, [00:59:23] that we're not going to be charging event coordinators to use the screen. [00:59:27] It's part of the park, just like the bathrooms, just like the shade structure. [00:59:30] We would encourage you, or I would encourage you, [00:59:33] we are negotiating with production companies. [00:59:36] Have we finalized one yet? [00:59:38] Yes, we have. [00:59:40] Okay, so are we disclosing who that is at this point or no? [00:59:43] I don't recall specifically. [00:59:45] Brian helped out. [00:59:47] Either way, we would encourage you to engage the production company. [00:59:50] The fees for them to maybe use video cameras and live stream shots during the concert, [00:59:56] you would be responsible for, but the use of the screen is part of the park. [01:00:00] The jazz concert that we had this past Saturday night utilized video on the screen and it [01:00:07] was absolutely amazing. [01:00:08] You guys would be out of your minds not to take advantage of that. [01:00:12] And I hope that eventually there will be two screens. [01:00:14] Yeah, that was obviously my next question, if he decided to go for the second screen. [01:00:21] We're going into budget season. [01:00:22] I'd just like to say, not the appetite we have at the moment, but they've been spectacular [01:00:28] so far once we clean up some visual lines and stuff. [01:00:33] I'd just like to thank you as a team that came here this far in advance because most [01:00:39] of the time that you've communicated with us, it's been through the application period [01:00:44] and that's 90 days out or somewhere in the number. [01:00:47] But I like this kind of communication that you're working with us and I think I can speak [01:00:53] for staff and the rest of us here, our doors are always open, you have a question, please [01:00:57] come and work it out and throw it at us and we'll throw it back at you and we'll get [01:01:01] the right answer. [01:01:02] All right, John, thank you very much and we'd like to thank Ms. Manns for helping us set [01:01:09] this up and give us the opportunity to come talk and have an open dialogue. [01:01:14] And Kami, do you have anything? [01:01:17] No, just as I said before, I just appreciate the support and like each and every one of [01:01:24] you have said, CHASCO is synonymous with New Port Richey so everybody looks so forward [01:01:32] to it and it does my heart good and I know the steering committee too, to know that those [01:01:38] not-for-profit organizations are benefiting from all of our hard work. [01:01:42] So, thank you very much. [01:01:44] Yes, yes. [01:01:45] That's our marching orders. [01:01:48] Okay. [01:01:49] With that, thank you very much for coming in and meeting with us.

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