First readings on two Transfer of Development Rights ordinances (2022-2261 designating 11 city sites as TDR senders, and 2022-2262 revaluing credits), plus Duke Energy and Tampa Bay Water briefings.
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Pledge of Allegiance
Pledge of Allegiance and moment of silence in honor of servicemen and women.
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[00:00:13] We have quorum. I'd like to ask all of you to please stand, join me in the Pledge of [00:00:16] Allegiance, and remain standing for a moment of silence in honor of our [00:00:20] servicemen and women at home and abroad. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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Moment of Silence
The council recited the Pledge of Allegiance and observed a moment of silence.
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[00:00:26] United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation [00:00:31] under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated.
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Approval of April 26, 2022 Special Meeting and Work Session Minutes
approvedCouncil approved the minutes from the April 26, 2022 Special Meeting and Work Session.
- motion:Approve the April 26, 2022 Special Meeting and Work Session minutes. (passed)
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[00:00:43] Next item on the agenda is the approval of the April 26th special meeting and [00:00:48] work session. Move for approval. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in [00:00:53] favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Motion passes. Next is
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Approval of May 3, 2022 Regular Meeting Minutes
approvedCouncil approved the minutes of the May 3, 2022 regular meeting.
- motion:Approve the May 3, 2022 regular meeting minutes. (passed)
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[00:01:01] approval of the May 3rd regular meeting minutes. Move we approve. Second. Any [00:01:07] discussion? All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like [00:01:12] sign. Motion passes. And next, we have a presentation tonight by Duke Energy on
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Presentation by Duke Energy RE: Targeted Undergrounding
discussedDuke Energy representatives presented their Storm Protection Plan / Targeted Undergrounding program for the New Port Richey West substation, which serves 17,000 customers across New Port Richey and New Port Richey. The 10-year program, mandated by 2019 state legislation, includes placing 16+ miles of distribution lines underground, replacing 700 poles, 300 transformers, 35 fuses, and adding self-healing technology on 30+ miles of line. No vote was taken; this was an informational presentation.
Main StreetNebraska AvenuePort Ritchie West substationDuke EnergyFrontierSpectrumDave SchlinkerJeff BakerMiriam TuckerMr. PetersMr. RiveraMs. MannsFranchise agreements with utilitiesHurricane Irma (referenced)Joint use pole agreementsPad mount transformersSelf-healing technologyStorm Protection Plan (2019 Florida legislation)Targeted Undergrounding program▶ Jump to 1:13 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:01:22] Targeted Undergrounding. In attendance this evening, we have Mr. Jeff Baker, who [00:01:29] serves as the Community Relations Manager for Duke Energy, and Jeff, I'll [00:01:37] allow you to introduce the others that you brought along with you in attendance this evening. [00:01:41] Good evening, Mayor, Council Members, Ms. Manns, Jeff Baker, Duke Energy. I wanted to [00:01:48] bring to your attention a program that we are doing in the community that is [00:01:54] going to increase the reliability, especially during storm situations. To [00:01:59] kind of give you a little bit of history, in 2019, the state legislature passed a [00:02:05] bill that required the investor-owned utilities in the state of Florida to do [00:02:09] what we call storm protection. So as this program rolled out, we started the [00:02:15] program last year, and then we are, it's a 10-year program, so we're [00:02:19] coming to New Port Richey now to start doing some of the work. I have Dave [00:02:24] Schlinker, who is the Public Engagement Manager with me, and Dave's going to talk [00:02:29] you through most of the details of this. And then also have Miriam Tucker, who is [00:02:33] our Project Manager for this specific project. Miriam's been with us for a very [00:02:37] long time and has a deep understanding of how all of this works and will [00:02:42] benefit the community. So between the three of us here tonight, we should be [00:02:46] able to answer any questions that you have, but I'll turn it over to Dave to [00:02:49] talk you through the details. Thank you. [00:02:55] Good evening. If I were only a few inches taller here. Is this how I work the? All [00:03:03] right. Good evening. Thank you so much for allowing us to speak. As Jeff had noted, [00:03:07] we are working with the state of Florida on a storm hardening project, and how [00:03:13] we're doing it is, we're doing it across our region throughout Florida, but we are [00:03:18] doing it per substation. In other words, instead of cherry-picking certain areas [00:03:23] that need improvements, we're actually doing it, we're just attacking each [00:03:27] substation. In New Port Richey, it's the New Port Richey West substation, which [00:03:33] consists of nine feeders that serve New Port Richey and New Port Richey. So what [00:03:37] we're doing, what does this mean? This is why you're seeing a lot of our workers [00:03:41] buzzing around your community. They even ended up in our mayor's yard today, and [00:03:46] so I'm going to see if I can get this rolling here. All right. So good. As Jeff had [00:03:54] mentioned, this is all about strengthening our power grid. We're doing [00:03:58] several, several things, including we're putting a lot of lines underground, a lot [00:04:03] of residential lines, and the reason for that, we've picked very data-shown [00:04:08] vulnerable power lines, ones that have a lot of outages and so forth, and we were [00:04:13] doing this in a lot of residential neighborhoods. Improvements, it's all [00:04:17] about the reliability. We want to keep you in power longer, we want to keep your [00:04:20] power on during these storms. And this is the New Port Richey West substation, and I [00:04:28] just give you some numbers here. It serves 17,000 customers through [00:04:32] Alpasco County and New Port Richey and New Port Richey. Multifaceted initiatives, [00:04:37] I said nine feeders, looks like it's eight feeders, but that's more than 70 miles of [00:04:42] power lines that we're working with. The initiative is designed to make large [00:04:47] scale grid improvements, harden the grid. Now this is interesting, equipping more [00:04:51] than 30 miles of line with self-healing technology. There's several facets of [00:04:56] this, and one of them is the self-healing technology. These are, [00:05:00] basically, it's technology that when there's an outage, it switches off and [00:05:04] it's able to reroute power. We're upgrading 300 transformers, 35 fuses, 700 [00:05:12] poles to better withstand wind. Placing more than 16 miles of overhead [00:05:17] electrical lines underground. That means where the 16 miles of line will go [00:05:23] underground. That's a lot of lines, if you think about 16,000. What did I just do? [00:05:27] There we go. This will give you a little general area of where New Port Richey [00:05:33] substation serves. Now these are a little bit more detailed maps of what the [00:05:40] initial plans are. They have changed a little bit in the sense that I know we [00:05:44] were adding a couple more neighborhoods of underground. So you see we're doing [00:05:49] pole replacement, some transformer replacements, lots of underground, vipers. [00:05:54] Miriam, we're going to have to explain what a viper is, other than a car. [00:06:00] Hydraulic fuses. This gives you a little bit of indication of we're going in. [00:06:06] There's lots of pole replacements there. The pole replacements, what we're [00:06:10] seeing, the work you're seeing around town, we're making thicker poles. [00:06:15] We're replacing poles, making thicker poles, shorter spans, bigger lines, just [00:06:22] making everything harder, a little bit more secure. Again, this is some areas you [00:06:29] may recognize. Let's see, there's a lot of transformer replacements in that one. [00:06:34] It's out of battery. No, it's not you. There it goes. So that's really what we're [00:06:52] dealing with, and I just want to kind of update you because you've probably been [00:06:54] seeing a lot of our trucks, a lot of our buckets, a lot of our workers in the [00:06:57] neighborhood. As I said, the mayor, we're in his neighborhood today as we're [00:07:02] putting a lot of those lines underground, and we're getting a lot of [00:07:06] questions as to will our neighborhoods go underground. So I'm going to put my [00:07:11] name and number up there. There we go. And this is also what to expect. We are [00:07:17] obtaining a lot of private easements. We prefer to get some private easements as [00:07:21] opposed to a lot of right-of-way, although we are moving some of the [00:07:25] right-of-way, some of our equipment. With underground, of course, we use the, on the [00:07:29] right, that's the pad mount transformers. The underground is all boring, [00:07:34] underground boring machine, pretty cool. It goes, it's just a lateral drill, very [00:07:39] little surface disruption. And what I do, I am public engagement manager. So my job [00:07:48] is to, for each target, for each neighborhood, particularly underground, I [00:07:53] will send out notices saying your house is being considered for underground, and [00:07:58] then as we approve the job, and you know, we get the easements, and we get the [00:08:01] approvals from the neighborhood, we literally will go door-to-door every [00:08:07] week. I'm here, I live in Ocala, and I'm here pretty much every week with the [00:08:10] project manager, a bunch of goofy-looking guys in yellow vests. We kind of go from [00:08:14] meter to meter, and we're just making sure this job can be built as designed. [00:08:18] So my job is also to take questions, and there's my [00:08:28] contact information, so those who are asking about whether their neighborhood [00:08:32] might go underground, if you want to go ahead and send me an email, or send me a [00:08:36] text, or give me a call, I can actually look up and see generally what what's in [00:08:40] store for your neighborhood. That goes also, if there's any issues with [00:08:46] trucks or, you know, neighborhoods that, you know, maybe the trucks are on their [00:08:49] lawns, and they can't get out, that's my job too. Give me a call, and I'll tell the [00:08:53] crews to get out of your driveway, or whatever it is you want to do. And so my [00:08:58] job is just to kind of make this easier, keep communication open. We had a nice [00:09:03] meeting with Mr. Rivera, gosh, a month or so ago. I'm providing him with updates on [00:09:10] what neighborhoods we're going to be in, you know, every other week, any big [00:09:16] projects that will require MOT, anything that he has questions on. And we're also [00:09:22] listening to what projects that you guys coming up, because we also want to try [00:09:26] to stay out of your way as well. So with that, I can answer any questions, and then [00:09:31] Miriam, do you want to talk? Miriam is our overhead project manager. She serves, I [00:09:38] work a lot with the underground. Miriam does the, she's the project manager for [00:09:42] the overhead projects, the bigger poles, all that stuff. So, yes sir. Mayor, it's all [00:09:48] right, please. Yeah, the large, like if we took a lot of the overhead power [00:09:58] lines in our downtown on Main Street down, and then we got over to Nebraska [00:10:03] Avenue, and it's my understanding that some of the main lines were not to be [00:10:11] able to be put underground. So could you speak to the size of lines that you're [00:10:17] going to go underground with, and what will remain in terms of overhead power [00:10:21] after you're through, for example, our downtown? And you're speaking specifically to that [00:10:26] area underground, or does it? Maybe if there's a general rule that says, you [00:10:29] know, these big lines are not going to go down, but your smaller lines [00:10:35] are going to go underground. What's the? I can speak to the criteria of going [00:10:39] underground. A lot of it has to do with our data. We look at outage history, we [00:10:44] look at spans, it's, you know, we're essentially looking at areas that have [00:10:49] the most vulnerable power lines, and that's what generally tends to, if it [00:10:53] meets the static criteria, that's what generally tends to go underground. We [00:10:57] also look at ways to strengthen the grid with overhead that just don't make [00:11:02] sense to put everything underground. So, and I might let Miriam speak to that, if [00:11:06] she could, on... Yeah, my understanding, some of the big transformers, the high [00:11:13] power transmissions, that there was an issue that they weren't as easy to go [00:11:18] underground, or maybe they don't go underground, so will some of those high [00:11:23] powered lines be going underground, or no? If you could come up to the mic, [00:11:28] please. We're broadcasting this, so the folks at home won't be able to hear you [00:11:34] unless you're up here. So for this project, we're primarily targeting our [00:11:38] distribution lines, so no transmission lines for this project. Thank you. [00:11:48] Anything else? Just as a reference for some of my neighbors that are in the [00:11:54] audience, we were approached back probably September of last year, because [00:12:02] they were, you were looking for a place to park one of those pad mount [00:12:06] transformers. Right, right. Some of the neighbors were a little leery of it, and we [00:12:10] said, hey, if this gets us underground power, we're in. We had, back in Hurricane [00:12:16] Irma, we spent six days sweltering because somebody at the far end of our [00:12:21] particular little leg of power had a tree that came down and took out the [00:12:26] power lines, his car, and I think got part of his roof. But it was, it was a [00:12:32] miserable week with 100% humidity and no AC. So we're, we're, we're all in. It [00:12:40] was nice to get the phone call today saying that one of your associates was [00:12:44] there trying to spot where the stuff was going. So I would encourage anyone that's [00:12:49] either in the room or watching this on TV, if you get a door hanger from Duke [00:12:55] Energy saying they're interested in doing some of this in your neighborhood, [00:12:59] please get with them and do what you can to help it happen, because it will, it'll [00:13:04] make things a lot more reliable for everybody when we can do it. Thank you, [00:13:09] and one thing I do want to mention too is this is a very public-facing program [00:13:12] in that when we do go out to these neighborhoods and we look at the [00:13:17] designs for underground and so forth, if there are people that just simply don't [00:13:22] want these transformers in their yard, and so what we do, or at least in the place [00:13:25] that it's designed, so we're, we do work with neighbors as much as we can. If they [00:13:32] don't want to be part of the program, there's nothing to force them to be part [00:13:35] of the program, and a lot of it comes down to size of lots, but you know, we're, [00:13:42] we're very invested in working with each neighbor, each resident as to, you know, [00:13:47] where they want these transformers, what they can do. Alternate designs, if they [00:13:51] just really want to have nothing to do with a piece of equipment, but I tell [00:13:56] you one thing, I mean, New Port Richey is all about this. It's very rare that we [00:13:59] run into somebody who just says, look, get lost, we don't want anything, and [00:14:04] ultimately, that's what this program is all about, is keeping you in power, and so, [00:14:08] yes, sir. Mr. Peters, you mentioned it's a 10-year program, right? Yes. You're [00:14:13] doing it substation by substation. Does this mean that you're in New Port Richey now, [00:14:17] and you'll not be back in that 10-year period? So, this is what we, what we see [00:14:22] is kind of what we can expect to happen here. I can tell you that I know we've [00:14:28] got some other properties in Pasco County that we're looking at for 2023. [00:14:32] Beyond that, I don't know. I know we're working with these eight feeders on some [00:14:38] from New Port Richey West, so I honestly can't tell you. I do know in 2023, we do [00:14:43] have some more work left to do in New Port Richey. Thank you. Sure. One last [00:14:48] question. Yes, sir. On the co-location issues, and of course, call Candy or whatever it [00:14:55] is now in terms of the city's infrastructure, which we have, I think, [00:14:59] pretty... [00:15:00] good in the Esri, all electronically laid out where the city pipes are, but as to the [00:15:08] old days when people had phones in their home and used power lines to run phone lines, that [00:15:15] sort of thing, are there any other cooperative parties involved other than power when you [00:15:22] do this or is there any? [00:15:24] As in will they go underground as well? [00:15:27] Whenever we dig up the street, it's a good time to look at everything that's going on [00:15:31] and decide whether or not something else should be done or are there parties that you're going [00:15:36] to say, hey look, we're going underground, you can't use our poles anymore, what's the [00:15:40] kind of story there? [00:15:43] What happens is those are called joint users and indeed those are our poles that they share. [00:15:49] What's been happening of late is that a lot of the cable, we notify the cable and the [00:15:54] other joint users when we're going underground. [00:15:56] When we pick a target, they get a notice saying we're going underground, we highly encourage [00:16:01] you to do so as well. [00:16:03] Ultimately, that's up to them, but I will tell you, I think a lot of folks are served [00:16:06] by spectrum here and they've been following us underground and so when that happens, worst [00:16:12] case scenario is you'll see those top electrical lines gone and if the joint users stay on, [00:16:19] but we're seeing, especially in Pasco County, we're seeing a lot of that joint use come [00:16:22] down and what happens if they come down and you give me a call and say, hey, I've got [00:16:27] a barren pole sticking in my yard, we'll come and take it away. [00:16:31] That's going to be my neighborhood because Frontier's already underground there, so if [00:16:35] spectrum decides to do the same, there won't be anything on those poles. [00:16:39] You had mentioned a lot of the underground infrastructure, yeah, there's a lot of old [00:16:43] stuff that's not marked in this area as well and so each time we do an underground job, [00:16:49] we hire locates, of course, and do the best we can and we've got the best technology that [00:16:53] we can do to spot a lot of these lines, but if there are any issues, again, I come in [00:16:59] and we want to make sure that everything's working well and we take care of these customers. [00:17:04] That's one thing that we do very, very well with this program. [00:17:08] I would like to know, maybe from our district council here or from our city legal council, [00:17:15] if our franchise agreements with our various utilities that use our right-of-way, you've
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Presentation by Tampa Bay Water RE: Tampa Bay Water Update and Long-term Master Water Plan
discussedChuck Carden, General Manager of Tampa Bay Water, presented an update on the regional wholesale water provider's long-term master water plan. He explained that the Tampa Bay Water board voted to remove a proposed South Hillsborough County well field project from consideration due to inability to negotiate a long-term agreement with Hillsborough County, leaving two remaining options: expanding the surface water treatment plant ($91-146M) or expanding the desalination plant ($310-365M). The board is expected to decide on the next project between August and December 2022.
- vote:Tampa Bay Water board voted to remove the proposed South Hillsborough County well field from consideration and return it to the long-term master water plan for later consideration. (passed)
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[00:17:23] got an easement, others have an easement, what are our rights as a city? [00:17:26] As an example, I mean, nice to get one wire off a pole, but if that's the case, we ought [00:17:31] to get all the wires off the pole if we have the ability to and do our own, if we have [00:17:38] to do our own effort, rather than, well, we tell them and they might happen to do it. [00:17:44] So I'd be curious to know what opportunities we would have. [00:17:49] Not that we need to know today, but as a request. [00:18:02] Thank you very much for coming and making this presentation. [00:18:04] We appreciate you guys coming and what you're doing to try to harden the city. [00:18:11] I appreciate it. [00:18:11] As I say, Mr. Rivera has my number and it's still in the PowerPoint, so give me a call [00:18:15] if you need to give me a call. [00:18:16] And if any of you have any questions, definitely give this gentleman a call and see if we can't [00:18:22] move this forward. [00:18:23] Thank you. [00:18:24] I appreciate it. [00:18:25] You guys have a wonderful night. [00:18:26] Thank you. [00:18:27] Thank you. [00:18:28] Next, we have a presentation by Chuck Carden with Tampa Bay Water. [00:18:36] Can I get you to turn the slides when I tell you, please? [00:18:49] Thank you, Mr. Mayor and members of the council. [00:18:53] My name is Chuck Carden. [00:18:54] I'm the general manager for Tampa Bay Water, which is your regional wholesale water provider. [00:19:01] Tampa Bay Water was created by the member governments about 25 years ago and serves [00:19:06] as your sole and exclusive drinking water provider. [00:19:14] The local government's decision to create Tampa Bay Water back in 1998 is one reason [00:19:20] that our economy and our environment is thriving 25 years later. [00:19:26] Water fuels our economy and we built a diversified and interconnected system, as you can see [00:19:31] on this slide. [00:19:33] Prior to 1998, everything in the southern portion of that map was non-existent, except [00:19:39] for one lone well field in southern Hillsborough County. [00:19:47] This slide shows our current sources of usage. [00:19:51] We do have three sources of the seawater desalination, groundwater, and our river water. [00:19:58] Now 25 years ago, the creation of Tampa Bay Water, this pie chart was 100% groundwater. [00:20:06] Right now, we have enough water and treatment capacity for the next seven years, but with [00:20:10] the economy thriving as it is and the growth that you're seeing, we need more water. [00:20:18] Here are some of the demands that we're looking at into the future. [00:20:23] As you can see, Hillsborough County and Pasco is leading the way in growth, and you can [00:20:28] see New Port Richey is about two to three, is pretty stable over the next several years. [00:20:35] We're working on bringing on new sources by 2028 to meet this growing need. [00:20:43] Since 2018, we've been studying three new water supply options to determine which one [00:20:49] is the next one for the region. [00:20:52] The projects include a new groundwater well field in southern Hillsborough County that [00:20:57] uses aquifer recharge credits from reclaimed water that the county is injecting near the [00:21:04] coast. [00:21:05] The second project is expanding our existing surface water treatment plant, and the third [00:21:11] one is expanding our desalination plant. [00:21:14] Yesterday, as the mayor knows, we had our board meeting, and the board voted to remove [00:21:19] the proposed south Hillsborough County well field from consideration and put it back into [00:21:24] the long-term master water plan for consideration at a later time. [00:21:29] We were unable to negotiate a long-term agreement with Hillsborough County on these credits. [00:21:36] Now we'll be concentrating our efforts on the two remaining projects. [00:21:43] Talk about the surface water treatment plant a little bit. [00:21:46] This project could yield between 10 and 15 million gallons a day to maximize our current [00:21:53] permitted surface water withdrawals. [00:21:56] The project includes two options. [00:21:59] One is to expand the plant where it exists today, which is in the Brandon area, or to [00:22:04] build a new surface water treatment plant near our reservoir in southern Hillsborough [00:22:08] County. [00:22:09] The capital cost for this project ranged from 91 million to about 146 million, and the life [00:22:15] cycle O&M cost ranged from $1.44 to $2.31. [00:22:23] Now the desal plant expansion is very important to our system. [00:22:28] It is a drought-proof system, but it is only about 10% of our whole portfolio. [00:22:35] It is very highly mechanical, and as you can see on the cost, it is quite a bit pricier [00:22:42] than the surface water treatment plant expansion. [00:22:45] The costs range from $310 million to up to $365 million, and the life cycle cost for [00:22:52] this is $8.56. [00:22:57] As I mentioned earlier, the two projects, the cost, it is not the only factor that we [00:23:02] are looking at as we decide the next project or combination. [00:23:07] The environment and reliability are very high on our list as well with the cost. [00:23:14] Under each of these headings, under the cost heading, there are some detailed criteria. [00:23:20] Under cost, it will include capital cost, operations and maintenance cost, life cycle [00:23:26] cost, and whether the project can be phased or not. [00:23:30] Under the environmental stewardship box, that includes permitting, our carbon footprint, [00:23:36] and public acceptance. [00:23:38] And under reliability, we will look at resiliency, technology, and risk factors, and how the [00:23:45] project fits into our overall system. [00:23:50] Over the next few months, we will be discussing the project concepts with our utility directors, [00:23:56] the public, and with the board members. [00:23:59] Our board is expected to make a decision on a new project concept between August and December. [00:24:05] We had originally targeted for very late in the year, November, December, but with the [00:24:10] news yesterday, and we are down to the two projects, we have moved that schedule up, [00:24:15] and we think we can accomplish all of the public acceptance, input, and board member [00:24:21] decision at our August board meeting. [00:24:24] And with that, that is my brief orientation of what we're doing on the next water supply [00:24:31] project, and I'd be happy to answer any questions. [00:24:34] Yes, sir. [00:24:38] You showed us the cost of producing of your new, your lowest cost, a couple of dollars [00:24:44] per thousand gallons, whatever it was. [00:24:46] Yes. [00:24:47] You haven't compared that to your current cost. [00:24:51] How are these new features comparable to what is your actual cost that you bill us on every [00:25:01] year now? [00:25:02] Yeah, let me, thank you, that's a good question. [00:25:06] The cost that I showed you are just for the project alone, and those are blended in. [00:25:11] The current three sources, the river water, the desal, and the ground water, they all [00:25:16] have different costs, and as a blended combined, it's $2.57 right now. [00:25:23] And so these costs, whatever we select, the surface water is probably the leading candidate [00:25:28] right now. [00:25:29] It would be blended in, and we use the different sources at different quantities. [00:25:34] So the desal being one of the most, it is the most expensive source. [00:25:38] It's in the $4 to $5 range currently. [00:25:41] The ground water is the cheapest, and that's between $1 and $1.50. [00:25:46] And then the surface water is in between, it's a little over $2. [00:25:49] And so we match how much we need of each of the sources, blend them together, and that's [00:25:54] how we get the $2.57. [00:25:57] We have done some projections if we pick a project, which includes bonding, debt service, [00:26:04] and we've projected that in. [00:26:06] And the rates are scheduled to go up over the years as we put down new projects and [00:26:10] incur future debt, but we're using our rate stabilization account, as the mayor knows [00:26:16] the plan. [00:26:17] We're using, we're saving our reserves to help us pay as you go, more than borrowing [00:26:21] as much. [00:26:22] So the rate seems to be a very nice slope instead of real high or up or down, you know, [00:26:29] like an EKG. [00:26:31] We're trying to manage the future, and the cost overall, I took it out to 2038 with some [00:26:38] projections. [00:26:39] It's, it never gets, you know, about $2.90 from the $2.57 now, going forward over to [00:26:45] 2038. [00:26:46] So a follow-up to that is we have two components of costs in the city. [00:26:51] One is your product costs, and the other is the share among the member governments of [00:26:56] your administrative costs, which back five years or so ago, when Tampa began to reduce [00:27:07] the amount of water they were purchasing as part of the partnership, to my understanding [00:27:12] that they were taking it out of the river. [00:27:14] So when you show the slide and show how much is coming out of the river, it surprised me [00:27:20] a little bit because I thought that water was going to Tampa and not through Tampa Bay [00:27:26] water and therefore bypassing the administrative costs because our city's administrative costs [00:27:31] went up. [00:27:32] It flipped that year from a credit because we were smaller, although we had one of the [00:27:38] largest pieces of real estate that was pitched into the partnership, which is why we're a [00:27:43] partner. [00:27:44] Anything that you can tell me about that? [00:27:48] Absolutely. [00:27:49] So there's six members, and Tampa is one. [00:27:52] They have a little different deal than the other five members. [00:27:56] So they are allowed, and they kept that as part of the 1998 conversion from West Coast [00:28:01] to Tampa Bay water. [00:28:02] They were allowed to keep the river flow that they had, 82 million gallons a day. [00:28:07] They're allowed to this day to serve themselves of the 82 using the river. [00:28:13] We also take water off the river, so we share that resource. [00:28:17] When they can't have the 82 and they need more than 82, they purchase water from us. [00:28:25] Some years they purchase water, and some years they don't. [00:28:30] What you're probably referring to is a year that they didn't purchase the water. [00:28:36] The cost gets borne by the others, that administrative cost, and then when they do buy the water, [00:28:40] they do take the share of that administrative cost, and your costs go down that year. [00:28:44] It's kind of an up and down as they take water or they buy water. [00:28:50] There's 24 years of existence, they've probably purchased water probably a little bit less [00:28:55] than half of those years. [00:28:59] It's not quite a lot of water when they do, it's just when we're in droughts or they're [00:29:02] doing work at their treatment plant. [00:29:04] Thank you. [00:29:05] Deputy Mayor? [00:29:06] It was interesting, you said that the current cost of the desal plan was around $4. [00:29:12] $4 to $5. [00:29:15] Did I read the slide right? [00:29:16] It looks like the new one was $8? [00:29:17] Yes, sir. [00:29:18] So is that due to the expense of building it now as opposed to when the previous was [00:29:24] built? [00:29:25] Why is it currently $4 and the new one will be $8? [00:29:29] There is one thing with the desal, the capital cost is generally not regarded as high compared [00:29:35] to other projects. [00:29:37] It's the operations and maintenance. [00:29:39] Paying the electric bill, Duke was just up here, but paying the electric bill, we pay [00:29:43] it to TECO, that's very expensive. [00:29:46] In this regard, we built the original plant that we have for $100 million or so, $110 [00:29:55] million, if I can remember all the way back then, and we're talking about $310 million [00:29:59] for this project. [00:30:00] 20, 25 years ago. [00:30:02] And so that's part of that capital. [00:30:04] In the O&M, the cost of the power has gone up. [00:30:07] So it's very expensive with those pumps [00:30:11] that you've got to push a lot of water, the pressure. [00:30:14] And so operations and maintenance [00:30:15] is a dominant cost factor. [00:30:18] And those costs have gone up over the years from today. [00:30:20] We are gonna implore some different technology [00:30:23] than if we expand the plant, [00:30:25] we're gonna do some different things with the pretreatment. [00:30:28] And we also have to, you know, [00:30:31] after we separate the salt and the water, [00:30:33] the brine that we have left over has to go back [00:30:36] and blend with Tampa Electric's plant. [00:30:38] That's how the co-location works. [00:30:40] And if we expand, we have to do something [00:30:42] with that part of the process [00:30:47] because the sizing of the pipes [00:30:50] is not big enough right now. [00:30:51] So there's a lot of that 310 million [00:30:53] is just the concentrate discharge cost. [00:30:57] So the addition well field in Southern Hillsboro, [00:31:05] you said you couldn't negotiate. [00:31:07] Was that due to the system, [00:31:11] the technology of pumping that back in? [00:31:13] What threw that off the table? [00:31:16] So the project's a really good concept. [00:31:20] The county has experienced some saltwater intrusion [00:31:23] along the coast near Apollo Beach. [00:31:26] And so they have treated the reclaimed to a high level [00:31:31] and they have injected it deep [00:31:32] into the underground about 1,000 feet. [00:31:35] And they plan to do more of these wells. [00:31:37] And what that does is it creates a bubble [00:31:40] and it does not allow the saltwater to get inland, [00:31:43] but it also creates a back pressure inland [00:31:46] and raises the water table. [00:31:48] In that area, the district will not permit [00:31:51] new groundwater on its face. [00:31:53] They look for a net benefit. [00:31:56] The district has stated that with the county doing that, [00:32:00] putting that reclaimed in and creating the back pressure, [00:32:03] that there's a likelihood that there's [00:32:05] about six million gallons that we could permit [00:32:08] inland about five miles. [00:32:10] The condition is that we have to make an agreement [00:32:13] with the Hillsborough County to do that long term, [00:32:16] to agree in writing legally that they will continue [00:32:20] to put that water in the ground [00:32:23] to create the back pressure. [00:32:25] And that's what we had a breakdown with negotiations. [00:32:28] We couldn't agree to a long term deal with them. [00:32:31] They wanted to do a shorter term deal. [00:32:34] I believe they're thinking they want to do something else [00:32:36] with their reclaimed into the future [00:32:38] and they don't want to tie it up for a long time. [00:32:40] And then we couldn't get to a value that we could agree on. [00:32:45] They wanted a higher price than we thought it was worth. [00:32:48] And we had some very good discussions, [00:32:50] but we reached an impasse [00:32:52] and it came to pass yesterday [00:32:55] when we declared that and the board agreed [00:32:57] and took it out of the selection of it [00:33:00] and we're down to the two projects. [00:33:03] Thank you. [00:33:04] Councilman? [00:33:06] Mr. Murphy, anything? [00:33:07] Yeah, I'm kind of curious. [00:33:09] With regards to demand, obviously, [00:33:11] it's going to increase as time goes on, [00:33:12] more people, more water. [00:33:14] I mean, do we feel that with these changes [00:33:16] you're going to be meeting demand [00:33:17] or you see having a problem later in the future with demand? [00:33:21] And if you have any, I guess, data suggesting [00:33:25] each year how much more we're having to use or produce? [00:33:29] Yes, we have a department at Tempe Water [00:33:33] that looks into the future demand forecast. [00:33:36] That's their job. [00:33:37] We also, in our documents that created Tempe Water, [00:33:40] we have a requirement to update [00:33:43] our long-term master water plan [00:33:45] that I spoke to you, the 2018, every five years. [00:33:48] So the next one is 2023. [00:33:51] They, that group, in conjunction with the long-term planning, [00:33:55] they look out 20 years for demands [00:33:58] and they work with the member governments, [00:33:59] they work with New Port Richey [00:34:01] and talk about different growth patterns [00:34:03] and what's expected here. [00:34:05] And we do a lot of work to do the projections [00:34:08] every five years officially, [00:34:10] but every year they look at it [00:34:12] and they make changes as they need to on a yearly basis [00:34:16] as things change. [00:34:17] We got, you know, 2010, [00:34:19] everybody understands how that worked financially. [00:34:22] The demands dropped off probably 10% [00:34:25] just with what happened financially and globally. [00:34:30] And then the growth now is unbelievable, [00:34:33] especially in Southern Hillsborough County. [00:34:35] And so some of the growth numbers that we had [00:34:37] from prior years, [00:34:39] they don't look like anything like what happened. [00:34:41] So continually to keep up that annually is important, [00:34:45] not to just look at it every five years [00:34:47] because we've been making a lot of changes on the fly. [00:34:50] I said earlier that we need water, [00:34:52] about 10 million gallons a day we need by 2028 [00:34:55] from the projections. [00:34:56] And then we need another up to 10 in 2034 [00:35:01] is what they're saying. [00:35:02] So 20 million gallons over by 2034 is what's needed. [00:35:08] So we'll take the first 10 now [00:35:10] and then we're going to go right to work in 23 [00:35:13] looking for that second 10, [00:35:15] which in probably we'll be looking hard [00:35:17] at the reclaimed water. [00:35:18] That is very big in Florida at this time. [00:35:23] You all know about Senate Bill 64 [00:35:26] and the members are looking for ways of disposing of it [00:35:29] without discharging it to surface water bodies. [00:35:31] So there's a good way to partner with us [00:35:34] and maybe turn it into a future potable water supply. [00:35:38] The one I talked about earlier, [00:35:40] that was using reclaimed water. [00:35:41] It wasn't completely where you drink it, [00:35:43] but it is a use of the reclaimed [00:35:46] and we will be working with the members [00:35:48] heavily in the next selections as they go forward. [00:35:52] I would encourage my colleagues [00:35:54] that if Tampa Bay Water does a tour of their facilities, [00:36:00] it would be well worth you taking the time to do it. [00:36:04] Several years ago, Tampa Bay Water did one [00:36:07] and I was privileged to attend it. [00:36:11] We went to the desal plant [00:36:13] and it makes a lot more sense [00:36:15] when you actually see the thing. [00:36:17] And then we also went to the reservoir, [00:36:19] which is put bluntly a lot of water. [00:36:23] That's 16 billion gallons at full. [00:36:29] And it's just amazing. [00:36:33] And for any of us that have been here long enough [00:36:36] to remember the battle days with the 1990s [00:36:40] when the water was basically sucking [00:36:46] the Pasco County well fields, [00:36:49] dried to the point where lakes were disappearing. [00:36:52] And we don't have that problem now. [00:36:54] And it's in large measure because of Tampa Bay Water. [00:36:58] Mayor, I have one. [00:36:59] Mr. Almond. [00:37:00] Thank you. [00:37:02] When you mentioned Duke Energy, [00:37:03] it stimulated another question for me, [00:37:05] which is, and it's another Senate bill or House bill, [00:37:08] whichever it was, [00:37:09] but there was this learned a year ago
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Library Advisory Board Minutes - February and March 2022
approvedon consentThe Library Advisory Board minutes for February and March 2022 were approved as part of the Consent Agenda.
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[01:00:06] than any of us in terms of the running of this government, and so any sense that anyone [01:00:12] has that you have any role to play in the decisions that are made by the management [01:00:18] of the city would be improper and incorrect. [01:00:26] We act as a collegial body, and if we decide to do something or make comments, that's up [01:00:32] to us. [01:00:33] So I wanted to make sure that that was clear. [01:00:36] Super. [01:00:37] Thank you. [01:00:38] Anyone else? [01:00:39] In that case, we'll go to the Consent Agenda. [01:00:42] Move for approval. [01:00:45] Second. [01:00:47] Any items to be pulled? [01:00:50] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:00:53] Aye. [01:00:54] Opposed? [01:00:55] Like to sign? [01:00:57] Motion passes. [01:00:58] Next, First Reading Ordinance 2022-2261.
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Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval
approvedon consentCouncil approved the consent agenda, including purchases/payments for City Council approval, by voice vote with no items pulled.
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[01:00:06] than any of us in terms of the running of this government, and so any sense that anyone [01:00:12] has that you have any role to play in the decisions that are made by the management [01:00:18] of the city would be improper and incorrect. [01:00:26] We act as a collegial body, and if we decide to do something or make comments, that's up [01:00:32] to us. [01:00:33] So I wanted to make sure that that was clear. [01:00:36] Super. [01:00:37] Thank you. [01:00:38] Anyone else? [01:00:39] In that case, we'll go to the Consent Agenda. [01:00:42] Move for approval. [01:00:45] Second. [01:00:47] Any items to be pulled? [01:00:50] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:00:53] Aye. [01:00:54] Opposed? [01:00:55] Like to sign? [01:00:57] Motion passes. [01:00:58] Next, First Reading Ordinance 2022-2261.
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2022-2261: Amending FLUM for TDR Sending Sites
approvedCouncil heard first reading of Ordinance 2022-2261, amending the Future Land Use Map to designate approximately 11 city-owned properties (14.19 acres) as TDR Sending Sites with Recreation Open Space land use, severing development rights and depositing 39.5 credits into the Coastal TDR Entitlement Bank (bringing balance to 102.5 credits). Council approved the first reading with a modification to remove Section 6's deed restriction provision (subject to state requirements), with direction to explore expanding the program to private property in the future.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2022-2261
- motion:Approve first reading of Ordinance 2022-2261 with removal of Section 6 provision related to severing rights into perpetuity (deed restriction), if legally permissible. (passed)
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[01:01:02] This is Ordinance Number 2022-2261, an Ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, providing [01:01:06] for a small-scale amendment of the Future Land Use Map of the City's Adopted Comprehensive [01:01:11] Plan, providing for amendment of the Future Land Use Category for approximately 11 properties [01:01:16] comprising a total of 14.19 acres located throughout the city, as more particularly [01:01:21] described herein, providing for amendment of the land use designation for said properties [01:01:25] to the Recreation Open Space Future Land Use Category, providing for the designation [01:01:29] of said properties as Sending Sites as part of the City's Transfer of Development Rights [01:01:34] TDR Program, providing for amendment of the TDR Sending Lands Map included as part of [01:01:40] the City's Future Land Use Map Series, providing for amendment of the TDR Availability Table, [01:01:45] providing for the transfer of all development rights to the City's Coastal Transfer of Development [01:01:50] Rights Entitlement Bank, providing for severability, providing for complex, and providing for an [01:01:54] effective date. [01:01:55] In that respect, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hall has prepared a PowerPoint presentation for you this evening [01:02:05] which more fully introduces the Future Land Use Amendment as it relates to residential [01:02:13] development rights and the revised Sending Sites Map, if you will, Mr. Hall. [01:02:22] Thank you, Ms. Manning. [01:02:24] What we have before you this evening are actually two ordinances. [01:02:28] They are related to each other and I'm going to take some time to speak of them, obviously, [01:02:34] individually. [01:02:35] The first one is going to take a little bit of time to go through and the second one will [01:02:39] be much faster because in the first one I'm taking liberty to explain some of the education [01:02:46] and some of the terms that are involved on this, mostly for our viewing audience to understand [01:02:52] those items. [01:02:53] And then I'm going to talk about the program history, about what we're speaking of, and [01:02:57] then specifically about the ordinance revisions that we have and then open you up for any [01:03:01] questions you may have. [01:03:07] The ordinance deals with amending what is known as the Future Land Use Map. [01:03:12] The acronym for that is AFLUME and what that is is it shows a graphic representation of [01:03:17] the distribution of land uses within the City. [01:03:20] It's an important tool in our comprehensive plan, something that will be coming back to [01:03:24] you later this year and I'll go into much more detail of that when it comes back to [01:03:28] you. [01:03:29] But the map shows a compatibility of the surrounding parcels of land, encourages development areas [01:03:35] and acts as a tool to protect our natural resources. [01:03:41] This is what our Future Land Use Map, or our AFLUME, is presently, showing red being commercial, [01:03:48] tones of yellow being residential, and green being conservation, open space and other colors [01:03:55] that are within the map. [01:03:58] Now here comes the fun stuff, the terminology, the acronyms. [01:04:03] This deals with the TDR, and in the broadest terms, not specific to our code, and I'm going [01:04:09] to get into that in a moment, a TDR is Transfer Development Rights. [01:04:14] It allows residential development units from one property to be utilized in another property. [01:04:21] That might not make sense yet, but when I'm done presenting, all of this will make more [01:04:25] sense. [01:04:26] It also refers to sending sites. [01:04:28] This is transferring development rights from one property or taking those off a property. [01:04:34] The receiving site would be a property that will obtain or gain those development rights. [01:04:42] And then last but not least, we'll talk about credits, which are the number of residential [01:04:46] units. [01:04:47] And the term credits is more reference to the next ordinance that we'll be talking about, [01:04:51] so I'll come back to this and you'll see this slide again. [01:04:55] Let's go over a credit example. [01:04:57] If for example you have in the upper square that's blue, let's pretend that's a one acre [01:05:02] parcel. [01:05:04] That parcel, again in this fictitious example, is allowed to have 10 dwelling units per acre. [01:05:11] Basically in that one acre parcel, we can put 10 homes or 10 units. [01:05:16] This is all fictitious, but you'll understand where I'm going on this. [01:05:19] So that one acre lot has 10 total credits applied to it. [01:05:27] What we're doing in this ordinance is taking those credits off and putting them into a [01:05:32] bank so the city can use those for another development. [01:05:37] So in continuing with this example, if there was a 10 acre parcel in the city that could [01:05:45] have 5 dwelling units per acre or 5 units per every acre, that 10 acre parcel would [01:05:52] have 50 units. [01:05:54] So what a transfer development rights does is it takes those 10 credits from the one [01:06:00] lot, adds it to the 50 units that are allowed to be developed on the larger lot or the second [01:06:08] lot, and in total you could put 60 units on that second lot. [01:06:14] So you're transferring the credits that you could have on to the other lot. [01:06:20] That's what transfer developments are all about. [01:06:22] And now we get to specifically the city's TDR program. [01:06:28] It was adopted in 2006 with some specifics that you are taking. [01:06:33] It is specifically rated to city-owned property. [01:06:36] We are only taking the credits off of city-owned property that are in the coastal high hazard [01:06:43] area, flood areas, and we are putting them into the city bank. [01:06:50] The city council then has the authority to grant other properties that are within the [01:06:55] CHHA to utilize those credits. [01:06:59] We are using, then the ordinance also requires that the land use designation of the properties [01:07:05] that were the sending sites be changed or revised to be conservation or recreation so [01:07:14] they stay that way forever. [01:07:17] And then we're going to sever the development rights of those city properties so they won't [01:07:22] be developed. [01:07:23] So down the road they'll always be conservation. [01:07:27] In 2016 the city purchased some property and set up an entitlement bank, the bank that [01:07:36] I was talking of, that had 97 TDR credits in it. [01:07:41] We utilized 34 of those credits to assist the Main Street landings in developing the [01:07:48] density and the project that you see today. [01:07:53] That was the history of our program. [01:07:56] What we're talking about and why we're here in this ordinance tonight, we are amending [01:08:01] our existing sending site where we're stripping, again, the development rights from. [01:08:07] We're going to amend the future land use map. [01:08:10] We are severing the development rights to those properties. [01:08:14] We're going to amend the TDR availability table, which is basically our checks and balances, [01:08:20] our account, our registry, and then we're updating the coastal TDR entitlement bank. [01:08:28] This is our current sending site, and I'm sorry for the way it comes off. [01:08:31] This is the map that we presently have where we show the yellow items that have letters [01:08:39] on them. [01:08:41] Those specifically are the current sending sites that we have. [01:08:46] This relates to Exhibit A in the packet that you have been given. [01:08:53] This would be the current TDR availability where we have the letters that correspond [01:08:58] with the properties and their acreages and what we had as a total in the bank. [01:09:06] The proposed sending sites revises that map, mostly takes properties that were originally [01:09:15] thought to be best to have their development rights stricken and put into a bank. [01:09:23] We've removed those from what we're proposing because of potential development of those [01:09:30] properties and we've looked at other properties that would be best to be added back into this [01:09:39] proposed sending sites map. [01:09:41] The important thing to realize about this is we can revise this map over time. [01:09:46] If there are other properties that the city decides that would be best to be put into [01:09:51] conservation or we obtain other properties, we can do this same process. [01:09:55] I won't be as long-winded in explaining it to you, but you'll see what it is and we can [01:10:00] revise this as we deem appropriate. [01:10:04] This shows again A through J of items that were revised to be placed in the sending sites [01:10:10] map. [01:10:12] That all being said, we've revised the sending site map or we proposed to revise the sending [01:10:17] site maps. [01:10:18] What we've done is also had to revise the future land use map. [01:10:23] That was again showing the uses of the properties in the city. [01:10:28] That is on your Exhibits E in your packet that showed the existing land use of the properties. [01:10:36] Most of those were low-density residential and medium-density residential and revising [01:10:43] those to be recreation open space. [01:10:46] The reason why we're doing that is again, first of all, the code requires that we do [01:10:50] this, the ordinance requires we do that, but the intent is to protect our environmental [01:10:54] sensitive areas and then it manages our growth in an orderly manner. [01:11:00] This next exhibit, it would be your Exhibit D in your packet, and this is the revised [01:11:06] basically spreadsheet that shows the properties, their acreages, and the density credits they [01:11:12] have so we could calculate out the existing density credits that we would have with this [01:11:17] revised sending map. [01:11:22] This next slide corresponds with Exhibit H, which is just a banking registry where we, [01:11:30] in July of 2016, we transferred 97 credits in, we withdrew 34 credits out. [01:11:38] We're looking again at this proposal to put 39.5 credits back in so we would have a balance [01:11:44] of 102.5 credits. [01:11:51] So what did I just talk about? [01:11:52] Hopefully you didn't fall asleep during that and the people watching out there didn't also, [01:11:56] but we talked about revising the Sending Sites Map and I showed some slides on that. [01:12:01] We've talked about changing the FLUME, Future Land Use Map, to recreation open space of [01:12:06] those properties. [01:12:07] We're talking about we would sever the development rights, that's the next step of this, we would [01:12:11] put deed restrictions on the property, but with your approval that's the next step we [01:12:15] would work with internally. [01:12:17] And then we've updated the entitlement bank. [01:12:21] So what we're doing is we're recommending that the adoption of this ordinance revision [01:12:28] be at your next council meeting. [01:12:31] I would be more than happy to answer any questions we have about amending the FLUME and TDR sending [01:12:37] sites. [01:12:38] Thank you. [01:12:39] Thank you. [01:12:40] Any questions for public comment? [01:12:41] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [01:12:44] Mr. Allman? [01:12:45] Yes, sir. [01:12:46] Well, first of all, to your one comment that you would record it on the deed, I had some [01:12:55] conversation years ago with FEMA because one of the arguments that has been made, an invalid [01:13:01] argument, of course, is that our insurance rating, which has to do with our fire service, [01:13:10] I think, and our planning department who look at our insurance rating, is affected by not [01:13:19] just fire but flood, and flood is affected by as good a job as we do in setting aside [01:13:26] coastal high hazard area lands. [01:13:29] And so it is a component of the score that then becomes our insurance score, and I'm [01:13:36] sure that my colleague has a lot more knowledge about that. [01:13:40] But I did speak to the person at the time who was in charge of FEMA and this program [01:13:46] in the Midwest somewhere and talked about a conversation I had about the 10 acres on [01:13:53] your map that the city purchased for $1 million at a time when I think we were getting those [01:13:59] density rights in order to assist in the change of the hotel, former Holiday Inn, all of the [01:14:07] different names of that hotel, now the Magnuson, to become really a nice hotel. [01:14:13] And I'm assuming that in that project, some of these density rights might look to be available [01:14:19] for that site or whatever sites that we have a development that we want in the high hazard area. [01:14:27] But the comment that you made that it had to be permanent and could never be developed [01:14:34] was not a requirement from application to application as to whether or not the particular [01:14:42] properties were on the previous map were still on the map, but as to the quantity of acreage [01:14:47] that you had within the zone that was inside your city. [01:14:51] So I'm believing that this comment that there be a deed restriction is not a requirement [01:14:58] for the benefit of [01:15:00] the insurance, but rather one that would be provided that there isn't a transfer of density [01:15:08] rights back to that particular property or some density. [01:15:12] So stripping the density rights from a piece of city-owned land and saying we're doing [01:15:17] this to ourselves and we can't change our mind ever and we're putting a deed restriction [01:15:22] on our own land is a question that I would have whether or not there's any legal requirement [01:15:27] to do it. [01:15:28] I appreciate the fact that we're committing ourselves, which we do, but who knows that [01:15:33] someday a bicycle trail goes through there and that property has the ability to sustain [01:15:42] some development, minimal as it might be, that we've stripped ourselves from the opportunity [01:15:48] to do something there. [01:15:49] So I'm questioning that part. [01:15:52] I appreciate what you're saying. [01:15:54] And then the second point would be this is all city property, but we had a property that [01:15:59] came into the city as an annexation, I think, if I'm not mistaken, or at which point they [01:16:10] told us it could have allowed all of these units on it, but we're only going to build [01:16:15] so many. [01:16:16] And I questioned Barbara Wilhite at the time and said, hey, what about you don't need those [01:16:22] density rights? [01:16:23] Is that something that the city could acquire? [01:16:26] Because it is a good bargaining chip for us and it all ties into the coastal hazard area [01:16:33] because in my role on the resiliency committee at the Regional Planning Council, there's [01:16:37] a lot of discussion about tightening up the building codes for future development in those [01:16:43] high hazard areas, which is going to make it more expensive. [01:16:46] So when it becomes more expensive, some of these lands that are out there may not even [01:16:51] be developable, but they might make sense if there was some new construction codes, [01:16:59] higher elevations, as in Main Street Landing, the parking garage is in the flood zone, all [01:17:04] the buildings are above the zone. [01:17:06] So looking for ways we can incentivize development in the future, these density rights are a [01:17:13] pretty good bargaining chip, I think, to help us to make a project profitable. [01:17:20] Anyway, it wasn't a question as much as a speech, but thank you for letting me make [01:17:24] it and I'm not sure if you have a response. [01:17:28] If I may, a couple things. [01:17:30] When we're talking about severing the development rights, those are related to residential units [01:17:36] put on there and will also be commercial units. [01:17:39] So if it would be something, it would be a park or something of that, you're not severing [01:17:43] those type of rights on that matter. [01:17:46] It's just severing or taking off the ability to develop that for commercial, residential [01:17:50] use, floor area ratios, things of that sort. [01:17:54] So that's the first item. [01:17:57] The second item is specifically related to city-owned property and commercially-owned [01:18:06] or privately-owned property. [01:18:08] This ordinance, as it's written, and we're not proposing to change this ordinance at [01:18:13] that time, is just for city-owned property. [01:18:18] The ordinance pertains to stripping the rights or making the sending sites only city-owned [01:18:26] property and we would have the ability to take those credits and put those onto a private [01:18:33] development. [01:18:34] There are other TDRs that I've done in other jurisdictions and I've done them in other [01:18:40] states where you actually can work with commercial and other residential privately-owned property. [01:18:46] So that's a possibility if it was so deemed by the council for us to consider that and [01:18:52] look at that. [01:18:53] But that's not what we're discussing or is on the table tonight. [01:18:56] I didn't get the answer I was looking for, though, on the irreversible need for a deed [01:19:00] restriction on our own city land and why you believe that we have to irreversibly make [01:19:08] that decision. [01:19:10] For example, we buy a whole bunch of other open space and we can say, well, you know, [01:19:14] that would be because we have the right, as I understand it, to flex our use of that before [01:19:22] we decide what ultimately it's going to become. [01:19:24] So I feel like we might be tying the hands of future councils from making decisions anytime [01:19:31] we do something irreversible like that. [01:19:33] Right. [01:19:34] I, when we place these properties, it's up to the council to decide which properties [01:19:39] we place in the TDRs to start with. [01:19:42] So that's the first step in that. [01:19:45] And whether it's required to have these rights severed or not, that's the way the ordinance [01:19:50] is written right now. [01:19:51] And I would have to defer to council and we would have to look on that to see whether [01:19:54] that is an actual requirement of Florida state TDR ordinances. [01:20:00] Honestly, I don't know the answer to that question at this moment. [01:20:04] Mr. Jerischel? [01:20:05] I don't know whether the state requires it or not. [01:20:08] And in the absence of a state requirement, it could be removed. [01:20:12] And I understand your point. [01:20:13] I think it's well taken that that may be overkill to actually try to put a deed restriction [01:20:19] on the properties when you've got it in the ordinance and it should cover it. [01:20:22] So if you want to approve this with that removed, subject to us placing it back in, if it's [01:20:28] mandated by the state, we can do that. [01:20:30] Because this ordinance has to go to the state for review before it comes back for your second [01:20:36] reading. [01:20:37] So if you want to make that as part of your motion, we'll certainly take that out if that's [01:20:40] something that we're able to do. [01:20:41] Do we have any more questions before we get a motion? [01:20:44] I like that. [01:20:45] But no, my question, basically his question, and I don't understand how we make it permanent [01:20:51] when things change in the future and we can't ever get something back for it. [01:20:55] Just seemed like it was kind of tying our hands and, you know, not making the best use [01:21:00] of the space in the future if things can change. [01:21:03] So I just kind of didn't understand that. [01:21:05] Entertain a motion? [01:21:07] I'll make a motion. [01:21:10] I'll make a motion to approve it with the removal of the provision related to severing [01:21:21] into perpetuity the rights if we can do that legally. [01:21:26] That's section six. [01:21:27] With respect to the deed restriction. [01:21:29] Section six. [01:21:30] Do we have a second? [01:21:31] Second. [01:21:32] Okay. [01:21:33] To the maker, anything else? [01:21:34] No. [01:21:35] Just to say as this goes forward, and I think there may be some time element of us wanting [01:21:38] to get this done, but I would respectfully request that we look into a modification [01:21:44] of the ordinance because as our CRA is our entire city, and investments in different [01:21:51] parts of the city that have come to us have told us they need more density, I'd like to [01:21:58] and maybe our economic, our new economic director as well could collaborate with you in the [01:22:05] ways that we could most effectively grow the city. [01:22:08] Are we good to second? [01:22:10] Yeah, I'm good. [01:22:11] Second. [01:22:12] Second. [01:22:13] So just a point of clarification as I compare the maps. [01:22:16] The property that was designated in the original map as property O, is that, are we going to [01:22:25] change that parcel? [01:22:29] Are we removing that from? [01:22:33] This present proposal for you tonight removes from the original sending sites map, removes [01:22:42] O, F, G, H, I, J, K, it removes several small parcels, but it does remove O from this sending [01:22:50] sites map. [01:22:52] So the proposed sending sites map includes several of the properties, but does specifically [01:22:58] remove O. It can be placed back at a later date if the council deems it appropriate, [01:23:05] as well as any other properties that we currently own. [01:23:08] Councilwoman? [01:23:09] No, I agree with that. [01:23:11] The concern would be that the hazard, the flood, I mean we know our floodplains change [01:23:15] all the time too, so we want to make sure we could use that, and we might have one of [01:23:18] those as to Mr. Altman's comments, that we could have an opportunity to use that at a [01:23:26] future date instead of a different property. [01:23:28] So not having these restrictions is a good deal. [01:23:31] There's no further discussion. [01:23:32] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:23:35] Aye. [01:23:36] Opposed? [01:23:37] Like sign. [01:23:38] Motion passes. [01:23:39] Next is first reading ordinance 2022-2262.
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2022-2262: TDR Amendment
discussedFirst reading of Ordinance No. 2022-2262, which amends Section 20.06.00 of Chapter 20 of the Land Development Code to change the methodology for valuing Transfer of Development Rights (TDR) credits. The amendment replaces the current method (highest purchase price plus CPI) with an appraisal prepared by a state-certified general appraiser, reviewed by the CRA and approved by City Council.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2022-2262
Mr. HallMs. MannCoastal Transfer of Development Rights ProgramOrdinance No. 2022-2262Section 20.06.00 of Chapter 20 Land Development CodeTransfer of Residential Development Rights▶ Jump to 1:23:42 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:23:42] This is ordinance number 2022-2262, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, providing [01:23:48] for amendment of section 20.06.00 of chapter 20 of the land development code pertaining [01:23:53] to the transfer of residential development rights and the coastal transfer of development [01:23:57] rights program, providing for an appraisal to determine the value of the transfer of [01:24:02] development rights credits maintained in the credit and title bank for the program, providing [01:24:09] for severability, providing for conflicts, providing for codification, and providing [01:24:13] for an effective date. [01:24:14] The purpose of this agenda item is really to determine a method by which, pardon me, [01:24:20] to determine a value for the credits that are maintained in the entitlement bank for [01:24:26] the program, and Mr. Hall has prepared a short PowerPoint to outline a methodology. [01:24:34] Thank you, Ms. Mann. [01:24:36] Since we've spent some time to actually put together some foundations of terms, this one [01:24:40] should be a little quicker and easier of this. [01:24:45] We talk again about transfer of development rights. [01:24:50] You've seen this slide previously, what this talks about if you look at the bolded, the [01:24:54] number of the residential units available, and specifically, as Ms. Mann had mentioned, [01:25:01] the calculation of how those credits are, or the cost of those credits. [01:25:06] The proposed ordinance will change that methodology into a much, we think, more of a useful item [01:25:16] for us and more understandable and something that can be calculated better. [01:25:20] Currently the code says, and I'll highlight again the bolded area, that credits are based, [01:25:27] in calculating the cost of the credits, it's based on the latest and highest purchase price [01:25:32] of the sending sites owned by the city plus the consumer price index applied annually. [01:25:40] That's how we calculate them presently. [01:25:43] Well, again, in the broadest of terms, CPI, this is a definition off of Google there, [01:25:51] is the measure of average change over time in the prices paid by urban consumers for [01:25:57] a market basket of consumer goods and services. [01:26:02] These are the changes of prices that we have for commodities over time. [01:26:07] So there are flaws in that when utilizing, dealing with property. [01:26:11] So there's no direct correlation between a CPI and the price of what an investor would [01:26:17] pay for raw land. [01:26:19] There's an assumption that some land has no value without property, and we know that it [01:26:25] does have some value here and there, and the price of some of the properties that we have [01:26:29] in the city are unknown due to lack of historic data. [01:26:34] Maybe there were donations. [01:26:36] So we think that the CPI is not the best method to use in calculating the costs. [01:26:42] The proposed wording we have is that the first section that's unbolded is unchanged. [01:26:48] But what we're saying is that if we, by obtaining an appraisal prepared by a state certified [01:26:54] general appraiser to be reviewed by the community redevelopment agency and approved by the [01:27:00] city council would be a better way to determine the price of each individual credit. [01:27:06] Because each individual credit will be worth different amounts depending on what development [01:27:11] is asking them to have them. [01:27:15] So the advantage of an appraiser is, again, they're evaluating the current market conditions [01:27:22] and they can determine a fair market price for the TDR. [01:27:26] So we're back to the credit example again. [01:27:29] An appraiser would do an appraisal of, and I'm looking at the big square, they would [01:27:35] do an appraisal of that property with 50 units on it, and then they would be able to do an [01:27:42] appraisal of that property with the additional credits, 60 units, and you could determine [01:27:49] a 50 units and 60 units and determine exactly what the cost of those credits would be. [01:27:55] So that all being said, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have. [01:28:00] Open up for public comment. [01:28:03] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council.
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2022 KIAfest Alcoholic Beverage Special Event Permit
approvedCouncil considered a special event permit for the 2022 KIAfest (4th of July celebration) on June 25th, sponsored by John Gillis of Friendly Kia at Sims Park, including beer/wine sales and food trucks, with proceeds benefiting Wheelchair for Kids. Staff raised concerns about excessive alcohol sale hours (4pm-11pm) requiring additional police staffing beyond budgeted in-kind support. Council approved the permit and authorized the City Manager to negotiate reduced alcohol hours and address additional staffing costs with the sponsor, while also discussing the need to give local downtown businesses preference over outside food trucks.
- motion:Approve the 2022 KIAfest alcoholic beverage special event permit and allow the City Manager to negotiate the hours of alcohol sales and associated staffing costs with the sponsor. (passed)
Sims ParkBoulevard Beef and AleDulcetFriendly KiaHaciendaMain StreetWheelchair for KidsDebbieJohn GillisKellyMr. AllmanMr. MurphyMr. SherdellMs. Vance2022 KIAfest4th of July celebrationMain Street Blastoutdoor cooking / business tax receipt policy for local restaurants during events▶ Jump to 1:28:05 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:28:08] I move we approve. [01:28:09] Do we have a motion? [01:28:10] Do we have a second? [01:28:11] I'll second. [01:28:12] To the maker? [01:28:13] Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, and you did an excellent job in explanation of both of [01:28:19] those, by the way. [01:28:20] Thank you. [01:28:21] To the second. [01:28:22] I absolutely agree. [01:28:23] The way property values are changing, an appraiser would be the best way to go, for sure. [01:28:27] Mr. Murphy? [01:28:28] No. [01:28:29] Good. [01:28:30] Mr. Altman? [01:28:31] No. [01:28:32] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:28:34] Aye. [01:28:35] Aye. [01:28:36] Opposed, like sign. [01:28:37] Motion passes. [01:28:39] The agenda item is for the annual 4th of July celebration, which is slated to occur this [01:28:54] year on June 25th, Saturday. [01:28:59] And it is being sponsored by John Gillis of Friendly Kia, as has become the tradition [01:29:09] in our city. [01:29:10] And we're very fortunate to have his support of this event, which is typically co-sponsored [01:29:17] by the city. [01:29:20] This year, Mr. Gillis has proposed to host the event, of course, in Sims Park and to [01:29:31] sell beer and wine in the park as part of the festivities, as well as to have six or [01:29:42] eight food truck vendors in the park, both of which would be used, as I understand it, [01:29:51] as a fundraiser for a not-for-profit group called Wheelchair [01:30:00] for kids and the city did indicate or you did vote back in November to support [01:30:14] this event with some in-kind dollars in the amount of $5,000. It is being [01:30:22] proposed that the musical entertainment begin at 630 and span roughly till 1030 [01:30:28] no later than 11 o'clock. The alcohol, the sale of the beer and wine I should say [01:30:36] though is being proposed for sale from four o'clock in the afternoon until 11 [01:30:43] o'clock at night. That gives the staff some cause for concern. We think that the [01:30:52] hours are excessive and we'd like you to take that into consideration [01:30:59] particularly in respect to the fact that that would be an additional drain on [01:31:03] staff and we did not program enough in-kind support for the type of [01:31:10] police presence that we need to program into the event if we were actually [01:31:14] serving alcohol from four o'clock on. With that, we're recommending that you [01:31:22] consider these items and determine what's in the city's best interest so [01:31:26] that we can plan to go forward. Thank you. Mr. Gillis is in attendance. Would you [01:31:30] like to say anything? If you do, come on forward. In other words, we need to get [01:31:45] done here so we can go root them on. Okay. [01:31:50] We are proud to host this every year as it has been. I don't know how many years it's been. We've lost it two years and Debbie at the last [01:31:58] minute helped us put it together last year and we just like to return and do [01:32:04] it to what we always do. I didn't realize that that alcohol permit was [01:32:07] from 4 or 4.30. I mean, we can move that up and we were thinking to go to 11 [01:32:16] because the event's that long but it might be good to cut it off at 10.30. No [01:32:20] problems with that. Just appreciate your cooperation and support and June the [01:32:27] 25th, mark your calendars. That's the anniversary of Michael Jackson's death [01:32:32] in 2009. There's a little bit of trivia for you too, so maybe Michael Jackson [01:32:37] will come back to New Port Richey for that night. But if anybody has any [01:32:41] questions, I'm here to answer them and modify that if you [01:32:46] like, shorten up the time to 5 to 10 or 10.30 or whatever. Yeah. If you'd like to [01:32:53] sit up on the front just in case somebody wants to quiz you on questions. [01:33:01] Let me open it up for any public comment. Seeing none, I'll bring it back to [01:33:08] council. Deputy Mayor. So just a clarification, I noticed on the [01:33:12] application the title was KFS slash Main Street Blast. I know years past Main [01:33:17] Street's been involved. Are they, do they have any involvement in this year's [01:33:21] event? No, they're not. I'm not sure really what's happening with Main Street right now. No, they're not. I was just trying to give them a little glory or whatever. Maybe it should be KFS. [01:33:34] Mr. Gills, could you use the mic for us please? Sorry. I'm sorry. Mr. Allman pointed out [01:33:42] nobody hears you if you're sitting back there. Okay. Main Street is not involved [01:33:47] on the air on our part. We were just trying to fill out and do as we'd [01:33:55] always done. We, in the past, they were a big, big help and I wish they were still [01:34:03] around because it was a lot less work for me. But I'm sure that'll work out in [01:34:07] the future. But no, it's just friendly KFS. And if I, while you're there, I'll just [01:34:12] clarify. So this, I remember the last event. It was very nice, by the way, and [01:34:18] thank you. But so this event changes in the fact that it's bringing in beer [01:34:24] trucks and food trucks now. Yeah, we put it together at the very end. I mean with [01:34:31] like two weeks to go and there was no way to do anything other than that. And [01:34:35] so we would like to return to what has been normal in the past. So I'm trying [01:34:46] to remember, did we have beer? There was a two-day event. Yeah. Thank you. I guess my [01:34:56] concern and question would be regarding the food trucks that provide [01:35:01] absolutely no benefit for the city of New Port Richey. They're typically from [01:35:06] out of town. We've got, tonight, four food service visits within businesses within [01:35:13] 100 yards of the park. And by June 25th, we've probably got six. Why are we [01:35:19] bringing food trucks to come into direct competition with our downtown [01:35:24] businesses? I believe in the past the downtown has not supported it at all. [01:35:31] They wouldn't set up any events or any tents. That's my understanding. I wasn't [01:35:37] historically involved other than monetarily, but that we thought would be [01:35:42] the easiest, simplest, cleanest way to do. I think some of these, yeah, I mean we're [01:35:50] wide open on that. We were just trying to do what we thought was going to be [01:35:54] the simplest for inspections and everything like that. Because do the food [01:35:58] trucks, are they authorized to operate? Is that something they have to get a [01:36:03] license from the city to operate in the city? They are specifically [01:36:06] exempted from any supervision by the city whatsoever. We have no control over [01:36:12] them. And they're basically unfair competition for the local [01:36:16] restaurants. That's on the streets, not necessarily in the park. Now, in the park, we can [01:36:21] say no, but as a general rule, the food trucks are, they have, the legislature [01:36:30] basically said you can't do anything to. I did not realize that. Okay, I learned [01:36:38] something. If there is, I mean, anybody, food truck, if there is a local restaurant [01:36:46] that wishes to participate, I mean, we're wide open to that. It's not my love of [01:36:52] food trucks. I just thought it would be simpler in some way, shape, or form. I [01:36:55] think we might have some businesses that would be interested in reaching out to [01:36:59] participate. Okay, great. In a related matter, and I don't know that we've got the [01:37:05] right staff members here, but there's been a bit of a brouhaha for the last [01:37:14] couple of events, at least, including Chasco, where the, several of the local [01:37:22] businesses decided to cook hot dogs and hamburgers outside in front of their [01:37:29] business. And somebody from the state, who apparently is not coming back here ever [01:37:36] again, told them that they were going to shut them down completely if they didn't [01:37:41] quit cooking outside, referencing the state guidelines, which reference the [01:37:47] federal FDA guidelines, which reference these, which are the recommended [01:37:53] guidelines for outdoor cooking operations at permanent food [01:37:56] establishments. And this particular document starts off the cooking of food [01:38:08] outdoor and the enjoyment of outdoor food events as part of a long-standing [01:38:11] tradition in this country and worldwide. So I would like to ask staff, through the [01:38:19] city manager, first of all, if we can not charge them an additional business tax [01:38:28] receipt simply because they want to grill hamburgers and hot dogs on their [01:38:32] own front step, on their own property, and furthermore, that we try to clarify [01:38:41] or get some clarification from whoever the powers that be are in Tallahassee [01:38:47] saying, look, you've got health inspectors that sometimes say one thing and [01:38:53] sometimes say another, and neither one are covering the right, covering the [01:39:00] right things. We have food service operations that can and do, and [01:39:09] probably with the city not getting in their way, do cook out stuff on this [01:39:16] weekend. Heaven knows whether you've got local businesses or food trucks or [01:39:21] anybody else in the park, there's going to be thousands of people downtown and [01:39:25] nobody will probably notice the additional competition by having some of [01:39:33] them participating. And it's got to be better for a local food service [01:39:40] establishment that already knows the health department rules, knows how to [01:39:44] properly handle food, to be doing that as opposed to last Thursday night when we [01:39:51] had the dessert and wine stroll, and we had non-food service establishments that [01:39:59] were serving food, and I would be willing to bet that not a single one of them had [01:40:03] either a special permit from the city of New Port Richey or approval by the [01:40:09] health department. So I guess I'm looking for a little bit of equity and to [01:40:15] make sure that when we have an event in the park that we're at least giving them [01:40:19] a shot at it. I'm in favor of all the ice cream stores being able to serve food as [01:40:24] long as they serve ice cream. So Mayor, you made some good points. I think I mentioned once in a [01:40:32] meeting last year that it seems like on these events that we have in a park [01:40:38] and the competition that comes in with food trucks and so forth, there ought to be [01:40:41] some way that we could maybe come up with some kind of preferred vendor list [01:40:45] or something where it encourages or incentivizes our, you know, our businesses [01:40:53] in downtown that's here in day in day out to participate in that in a [01:40:58] favor basis, because they do contribute to, you know, our property tax and our [01:41:04] enjoyments, you know, most every day of the week. So I just think [01:41:10] something like that would only be fair for our local businesses. I'm all for it. I thought that that was going to be the [01:41:20] simplest thing, but I would love to see it would be interesting to see how many [01:41:24] actually do turn out. Yeah, if we could reach out to them. If they don't want to do it, [01:41:28] well then you bring in whoever, but I mean at least we probably ought to [01:41:34] start getting in the habit, not just with KFS, but with these various events we [01:41:39] have throughout the year. Give the local businesses at least the shot to do it. [01:41:45] I say if they don't want to do it, fine, but if they do... Absolutely. I know at [01:41:53] one night of Chasco, they ran out of food. Yeah. So, and I'm not sure that six or [01:42:01] eight, we were very random spacing them just to make sure to give them a fair [01:42:07] space, but I'm sure there are more that can fit in there if you look at that, but [01:42:12] I'm all for it, and I did not mean to exclude any of my fellow businessmen. [01:42:18] I'm sure you wouldn't, but I just wanted to make that point because we've got [01:42:22] two ice cream shops, three sandwich shops, we've got a pizza place that's [01:42:26] opening I'm presuming any day now, and we may have a full-service restaurant [01:42:31] backing up right up to the park by June 25th, so in the Hacienda. Oh. Yeah, we keep [01:42:40] hoping anyway. How could I forget about that? But that's six of them all [01:42:44] within a baseball throw's distance of the park, so, you know, the more the merrier. [01:42:51] Get them down, get them involved. I think Mr. Sherdell wanted to say a word. [01:43:00] He's a big advertiser. We've done this for quite a few years, and the reason for the food truck [01:43:04] thing in the beginning was we thought we were making it simpler because in the [01:43:07] past we had tried to work with city businesses. The only one that has ever [01:43:11] taken us up on it was Dulcet when they were open, and they came in, and I'm sure [01:43:15] the fire chief will attest to the fact that there's some things that they don't [01:43:19] think about. A 10-gauge cord is required, which is about $115. A tent that's [01:43:26] flammable certified, correct? It has to have the seal. All that's required, so we [01:43:31] don't mind jumping through those hoops if that's what needs to happen if they're [01:43:34] interested to do it, but we would like to say we were trying to simplify the [01:43:38] process, so if they're not willing to do it, what we would like to say is please [01:43:42] consider if we ask for and for, say I'm not buying the tent, I'm not getting the [01:43:46] cord, at some point we're noticing a trend and it gets easier to work, and the [01:43:50] other thing was we thought since the trucks were already inspected, that might [01:43:55] make it easier for the inspection for the trucks as well, so, and I know things [01:43:58] change, so it may be a whole new crew of folks that are very, very happy to [01:44:02] participate, but everything was designed really to make it as simple and easy as [01:44:06] possible. I would suggest, you know, make the effort to talk to [01:44:14] them, and I say if they don't want to, fine. All right, thank you. Okay, any other? [01:44:20] Well, have we got to us now? Yeah. Yeah, because I'm waiting for the end of public [01:44:25] comment here. Thank you. I think that we got a response immediately to the [01:44:33] city manager's comments, but I would share, I went to the Boulevard Beef and [01:44:39] Ale this weekend, and I was talking to the waiter about the wine fest and the [01:44:47] activity, to which point he said how much more business they got because of [01:44:52] it, so there's no doubt when we have the fireworks, and we have a lot of people, [01:44:57] that there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be [01:45:00] So I would agree that some kind of food service or special services are not going to interfere with the revenue if we bring crowds in. [01:45:11] One of the things with the sale of beer that was a comment from the owner of the Hacienda, [01:45:17] who has a lot of events going on over in his other hotel, is that provision for the town to have some time to still function after the event. [01:45:29] So you've got to wait for it to be dark on one of the longest days of the year, maybe the longest day, [01:45:37] and you could look that up too if you get off Michael Jackson's website. [01:45:45] But I think that stopping selling beer at a point where folks will still have a few spaces in the tank [01:45:55] for maybe to stop at a local establishment is a good idea, and not having them start so early is a good idea. [01:46:01] I support that. [01:46:02] I think there's a bigger discussion I've been wanting to have about special events, and hopefully we can have it someday. [01:46:08] But with the time involved, I would really suggest that someone reach out to the Main Street group, let them know this event is coming on. [01:46:20] I don't think it was an intention to disassociate themselves from any event in the town, [01:46:25] but for them to take advantage of promoting their own business community to take advantage and to support these events. [01:46:34] So I think they may be without a leader. [01:46:37] I don't know if they've hired somebody yet. [01:46:39] They're advertising. [01:46:41] But I'm looking forward to consolidating the efforts of our marketing, our recreation department, [01:46:47] and all of our city's efforts on the redevelopment of our town to find a way to support our businesses, [01:46:54] but also when we invite a ton of people into town, making sure that they leave happy. [01:47:03] And so I think food is probably a necessity in some capacity. [01:47:07] Ms. Murphy? [01:47:09] I agree with Mr. Alban and others about maybe tweaking the time a little bit. [01:47:14] As far as our local people, I mean, I really want to see something across the board for any events that, hey, [01:47:20] they get dibs or they don't get charged a fee or something like that to participate and get out there instead of, you know, [01:47:27] them out there instead of outsiders, food trucks, anything we can do to help them out and get them out there. [01:47:33] Obviously, I mean, and I can imagine all the new businesses open up around the park, like the mayor was talking about. [01:47:39] You've got a brewery. [01:47:40] You've got, you know, hot dogs, pizza, all this. [01:47:42] And they're right there at the park, and they're sitting there looking. [01:47:44] I'm a business owner, and they see beer and food trucks, and they're like, you know, 30 feet away. [01:47:50] They're probably like, what the hell is going on here? [01:47:52] You know, this isn't helping us at all. [01:47:54] So, you know, from their perspective, I could really see it. [01:47:57] But they have to be engaged, too, and want to get out there and help themselves, I know. [01:48:01] So I'd really love to see something across the board for all events for our local people to incentivize them a little bit to get in the park. [01:48:08] I mean, yeah, if it's charity, you're going to have to break off a piece of that and give it up, but it's well worth it. [01:48:14] Thank you. [01:48:15] And I think, you know, going along with that, if they're going to do the outside cooking, [01:48:19] that we've got to get our staff to back off and not hit them with extra business tax receipts [01:48:28] and all of that other stuff that just I don't think should happen, just as a policy standpoint. [01:48:35] Kelly? [01:48:36] I 100% agree. [01:48:37] I mean, I think it's really important to show their businesses that we are trying to help them be successful. [01:48:42] And I said that all along with the events, is that they need to have first opportunity. [01:48:46] And if they choose not to participate, then you have to bring in somebody else. [01:48:51] And I do think the hours can be minimized. [01:48:54] So, you know, just before the concerts start until right at the end of the concert, you know, that four or five hours is probably plenty. [01:49:02] Deputy Mayor? [01:49:03] So the one question that came in, we budgeted 5K in like-kind contributions. [01:49:10] So the question is, is this going to cost us more than that? [01:49:14] And how would we make adjustments to that? [01:49:17] Is this part that we have to approve additional funds here? [01:49:20] Or do we look to collect revenue from that? [01:49:24] What's part of that? [01:49:25] Ms. Vance? [01:49:26] I'll have to have a conversation with John Gillis about that and then report back to you. [01:49:34] I think there are probably a couple of different ways that we can facilitate the additional costs that will be incurred by the city as a result of the fact that we will have to staff the event differently, yes. [01:49:49] Okay. [01:49:50] Okay. [01:49:52] Entertain a motion? [01:49:58] You can go with the motion. [01:50:00] Can I just ask if, in the motion, are you going to change the hours? [01:50:04] If that's one of the things you want to do, you might want to put that in the motion for the alcohol sale. [01:50:09] I think there was some consensus on that, so whoever makes the motion, please. [01:50:13] I would make a motion that we approve this and allow our city manager to negotiate the hours of alcohol sales in conjunction with the cost that might incur with the staff, with the sponsor. [01:50:30] Do we have a second? [01:50:31] I'll second that. [01:50:32] Okay. [01:50:33] To the maker, anything else? [01:50:35] No, sir. [01:50:36] To the second? [01:50:38] No. [01:50:39] Good. [01:50:40] Mr. Allman? [01:50:41] I'll retain any more comment until we get a chance to discuss events in a more broad discussion. [01:50:48] Fair enough. [01:50:51] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:50:55] Aye. [01:50:56] Opposed, like sign. [01:50:58] John, we are looking forward to the event coming up on the 25th. [01:51:01] I think it should be a great one again. [01:51:05] You know what we ran into with the music and who to get and what to do? [01:51:10] Could you come up to the mic? [01:51:12] Well, it's going to be Michael Jackson again on Michael Jackson's anniversary of his death. [01:51:17] He's been so well received, and he's kind of universal with everybody. [01:51:22] This is one of two events. [01:51:24] They're coming out of Vegas with a live band and the Michael Jackson dancers. [01:51:29] So excited about it. [01:51:32] We'll get the message out to the city, and we'll talk tomorrow. [01:51:36] Thank you very much. [01:51:37] I appreciate it. [01:51:38] Thank you. [01:51:39] Thank you. [01:51:40] Next is the 2022 wastewater treatment plant 24-inch effluent pipe replacement. [01:51:48] Yes, it is. [01:51:50] And the request of staff is to ask you to consider the approval of a bid to KRI for the construction [01:52:04] for an amount not to exceed $364,800 for the effluent pipe replacement project. [01:52:14] And Mr. Doe is going to present this item in detail to you. [01:52:21] Thank you, Ms. Manns, and thank you, Mayor and Council. [01:52:25] In summary, and a little bit of background on this item, as some of you may recall, on May 4th, 2019, [01:52:32] the aeration pipe feeding wastewater into aeration tank number two ruptured. [01:52:39] This caused a significant spill. [01:52:42] And in wanting to be proactive, we went ahead and did a pipe integrity profile, [01:52:49] basically started with repairing what had ruptured and then hired consultants to come in [01:52:55] and assess the entire water treatment facility, all the existing pipes on the property, [01:53:00] to see what kind of condition they were in so that a spill like this wouldn't happen again. [01:53:07] The results showed that the 24-inch pipe leaving aeration tanks number one and two [01:53:13] had only about 35% life remaining. [01:53:17] All the other pipes were 75% or higher, which was good news. [01:53:20] This is the only pipe that we showed that needed some work done to it. [01:53:24] This will require the installation of line stops, which basically are shutoffs that go in the pipe [01:53:32] as the pipe is live. [01:53:34] And at this point, contractors can come in and install 24-inch really big gate valves [01:53:39] to shut off the flow from the master trunk line. [01:53:43] The valves will serve to isolate if there are any other spills or anything in the future. [01:53:49] You can never have too many valves, so these valves are a good thing. [01:53:53] I will say that currently tank number two is out of service, [01:53:58] resulting in the loss of 18% of our treatment capacity, which isn't huge. [01:54:05] However, I will say that the plant is not operating as efficiently as it should, [01:54:10] necessitating that this needs to happen as soon as possible. [01:54:15] We would consider this definitely an emergency repair. [01:54:19] As Ms. Mann said, there were six sealed bids that came in. [01:54:24] The prices ranging from $364,800 to $573,861.44. [01:54:37] When bid alternate one was added per the engineer's request, [01:54:40] which was the addition of another line stop and another valve, KRI was the lowest bidder. [01:54:47] They have done work similar to this for the city in the past. [01:54:50] In 2005, they went ahead and installed new 20-inch force main on the west side of 19 Forest. [01:54:57] They've done great work. We've had no issues with those pipes whatsoever. [01:55:01] Our engineer of record from Stroud recommends KRI to do this work. [01:55:07] First of all, funding is identified as water and sewer utility construction funds. [01:55:14] It is very important to note that Pasco County, as you know, is a co-owner of our wastewater treatment plant. [01:55:22] As per the interlocal agreement, they are responsible for 40% of capital costs at the wastewater treatment facility. [01:55:31] This project would fall under that agreement. [01:55:34] We would be responsible for 60%, and Pasco County would be responsible for 40% of the cost of that bid. [01:55:42] It is staff's recommendation that you approve this item. [01:55:47] Thank you. I'll open it up for public comment. [01:55:50] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [01:55:53] Move for approval. [01:55:55] Second. [01:55:56] To the maker. [01:55:57] Yeah, this is just maintenance stuff, and this is preventative, and we've got to get ahead of it before we have a problem. [01:56:02] To the second. [01:56:04] Yeah, just as recalling a previous discussion from Public Works, [01:56:08] and the information I got was that the purchase of the FGUA was completed by the county, [01:56:18] and that our agreement with the county, as it was outlined to us on the Council, [01:56:24] was that the percentage of ownership of the plant was going to change. [01:56:29] If that has not happened yet, are we paying 60% and then finding out in a month that we're now going to be 50% [01:56:38] or whatever percentage that we're going to be? [01:56:40] I would have to follow up with you on that. [01:56:42] I'm not 100% sure. [01:56:43] It has not occurred at this point. [01:56:45] The sale hasn't occurred? [01:56:47] Any transition on the percentage of ownership has not occurred yet. [01:56:51] So we're still doing bulk purchases? [01:56:56] Correct, yes. [01:56:57] Everything is as it was before. [01:56:59] Yeah, they haven't switched over yet. [01:57:02] I wouldn't either if I could get away with 40% and I had to pay 50% next week. [01:57:06] So I'm wondering if the swift wheels of government are turning [01:57:13] or you all have been presenting that this was an important thing for us to do [01:57:19] and there was a lot of discussion and negotiation that was brought to us. [01:57:24] This is only, you know, the cost is a couple hundred thousand dollars [01:57:31] and it may only be a matter of $50,000 or $100,000. [01:57:34] But it would be nice if someone in an accounting function or a financial function [01:57:40] would take a look at what's occurring and when it's occurring in terms of our share of the cost.
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2022 WWTP 24” Effluent Pipe Replacement – ITB 22-011 Bid Award
approvedCouncil approved closeout of the 2019-2020 Street Improvement Project, including a deductive change order of $343,959.11 and a final pay request of $264,074.80 to Ajax Paving Industries of Florida LLC. Staff value-engineering and rolled-over contingency from the prior project produced significant savings.
- motion:Approve the deductive change order of $343,959.11 and final pay request of $264,074.80 to Ajax Paving Industries of Florida LLC for the 2019-2020 Street Improvement Project closeout. (passed)
Ajax Paving Industries of Florida LLCMr. DoeMr. MurphyMs. Manns2019-2020 Street Improvement Project2020-2021 Street Improvement ProjectChange order approved November 2, 2021▶ Jump to 1:57:42 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:57:48] We can report back to you on that matter. [01:57:52] I know that the sale has been effectuated, certainly, [01:57:56] but all of the transition details have not been, [01:58:02] so I will find out when the date is that will be tended to the plan. [01:58:10] Well, certainly for budget purposes, [01:58:12] it's got to be a critical question to ask in terms of what is our revenue, what do we own, [01:58:18] what are the repercussions of this substantial change in circumstances. [01:58:25] Thank you. [01:58:26] Can I just follow up on that, Mayor? [01:58:28] Sure. [01:58:29] I mean, I would say if there's going to be a transition, you know, [01:58:32] percentages for the county, for us to hold off until we find that out, [01:58:38] I mean, I think we need to set a time limit because we can't wait a year. [01:58:42] We can't wait because it's going to end up costing us a lot more money if this doesn't get fixed [01:58:47] and something happens because we're waiting to save a little bit. [01:58:50] It's going to cost us a lot in the future. [01:58:52] I would just say make it a time frame. [01:58:54] If it's not within a certain time, let's move on. [01:58:56] Yeah, no time frame. [01:58:57] Go ahead with it. [01:58:58] I'm just saying before you agree to how you're going to allocate those costs, [01:59:03] let's understand who's going to be owning them for the remaining life [01:59:07] because there's no sense for us to pay for two months [01:59:10] or six months' worth of something that wasn't calculated in all of the fancy calculations [01:59:18] that came out to be more complicated than any of us can understand. [01:59:22] I guess we might want to hurry up and spend some more money while we've got the percentage, right? [01:59:28] So tank two is down because of this line. [01:59:33] Is that correct or was it unrelated? [01:59:35] Correct. [01:59:36] Yeah, correct. [01:59:37] It's vulnerable. [01:59:38] It's vulnerable. [01:59:39] And to shut it down, we're still able to operate. [01:59:41] We're still able to do everything we need to do, but just not at 100%. [01:59:47] And that may become an issue to the extent we've got leakage in the sewer pipes if we get a storm event. [01:59:55] And we also don't have a valve on that tank, so we want to shut it down now. [02:00:00] So go ahead. [02:00:02] Are we able to make a motion based on then finding that out? [02:00:07] I mean, I hate to hold it up. [02:00:09] Well, my second was to do it, you know, but just to bring it to their attention [02:00:14] so when they're in the transaction that it doesn't get forgotten. [02:00:18] Yeah, I don't want us to hold it up. [02:00:19] No, me either. [02:00:20] Okay, we have a motion and a second. [02:00:22] Any further discussion? [02:00:24] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:00:27] Aye. [02:00:28] Opposed, like sign. [02:00:29] Motion passes. [02:00:31] Next, the 2019-2020 Street Improvement Project Closeout. [02:00:43] The agenda item is to include the approval of a deductive change order [02:00:52] in the amount of $343,959.11 [02:00:59] and a final pay request in the amount of $264,074.80 [02:01:09] submitted by Ajax Paving Industries of Florida LLC. [02:01:14] It includes a two-year street improvement project, [02:01:19] both the 19-20 and the 20-21 street improvement project, [02:01:25] and Mr. Doe will represent the particulars related to the project. [02:01:32] Sure. [02:01:33] Thank you again, Ms. Manns and Mr. Mayor and Council. [02:01:36] As Ms. Manns, as you said, this project was rolled over from the last street project, [02:01:43] meaning that in an effort to expedite the 2020-2021 street improvement project, [02:01:50] Council recommended to staff to add this project as a change order [02:01:55] to the 2019-2020 street improvement project. [02:01:59] On November 2, 2021, at a regular City Council meeting, [02:02:04] Council approved the change order presented by staff. [02:02:08] As a result of the change order, [02:02:09] the project timeframe was expedited by eliminating the bid phase, [02:02:13] which sped things up significantly, [02:02:15] and eliminated the contract phase, which resulted in a reduction of consultant fees. [02:02:21] Finally, the change order avoided a possible increase in construction costs due to inflation. [02:02:26] So, as you recall, the decision was made, [02:02:29] hey, let's just move forward on the next scheduled street improvement project, [02:02:33] and it accelerated right into that. [02:02:36] So, the high amount of the deductive change order is due to the contingency rolling over from the previous project, [02:02:48] as well as a lot of valued engineering and a lot of work that our staff did on our end. [02:02:54] They identified a lot of these streets did not require what the engineer had called out previously, [02:02:59] a lot of base work, a lot of the heavy lifting, so to speak. [02:03:03] We identified that a lot of the base was in good condition, [02:03:06] so we saved quite a bit of money on this just doing the asphalt. [02:03:10] So, it is staff's recommendation that you approve this item. [02:03:15] Thank you. [02:03:16] I'll open it up for public comment. [02:03:18] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [02:03:21] Move approval. [02:03:23] Second. [02:03:24] To the maker. [02:03:25] Yeah, that's great. [02:03:26] And it just proves the point that by keeping our roads in shape [02:03:29] and not letting them get to the deteriorated state that we are able to save money, [02:03:33] and it's great news, especially since everything's getting so much more expensive now. [02:03:38] So, good job. [02:03:41] Thanks, sir. [02:03:42] To the second. [02:03:43] We did good last year, huh? [02:03:45] Yeah, we did good. [02:03:47] Councilwoman? [02:03:48] All good. [02:03:49] Mr. Murphy? [02:03:50] All good, thanks. [02:03:51] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:03:53] Aye. [02:03:54] Aye. [02:03:55] Opposed, like sign. [02:03:56] Motion passes. [02:03:57] Next, request to approve the addition of Juneteenth as an official city holiday. [02:04:02] Oh, advanced metering infrastructure. [02:04:07] We've got to have that. [02:04:09] Yeah, we probably do. [02:04:10] All right. [02:04:11] 2023 advanced metering infrastructure project. [02:04:16] This is actually phase two of an AMA project that was completed a few years ago, [02:04:28] and it is slated to be implemented next fiscal year. [02:04:35] The reason that we are putting this matter on your agenda for consideration this evening [02:04:42] is we have learned that there is a 36-week lead time for delivery on the retrofitted meters. [02:04:51] So, we are asking your consideration to allow us to place the order for the AMA IPERL smart meters at this time [02:05:01] so that they will be delivered for us in the next fiscal year so that we may implement the project. [02:05:13] The meters are a sole source unit price, and the purchase is in accordance with the city's purchasing procedures and guidelines. [02:05:23] The amount that we are asking you to consider is $849,231.35. [02:05:35] In order to fund this expenditure, we will, as part of this item, [02:05:43] we are asking you also to approve a budget amendment in the amount of $850,000, [02:05:51] and the budget amendment is a temporary amendment that will take us into next fiscal year, [02:05:59] and it moves bond proceeds from the Building Improvement Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse project to the 2023 AMI project. [02:06:13] And there are some specifics about the project that I think Mr. Doe would like to introduce. [02:06:22] Yes, thank you again, Ms. Manns, and thank you, Mayor and Council. [02:06:26] So, going back to 2014, as some of you may recall, we completed the AMI Advanced Metering Infrastructure System Phase 1 project.
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2023 Advanced Metering Infrastructure System (AMI) Project - Consideration for Approval
approvedCouncil approved the purchase of AMI IPERL smart meters from Core & Main for $849,231.35 plus an $850,000 budget amendment to fund the 2023 AMI Project Phase 2, which replaces aging SR-2 brass water meters. Early ordering was needed due to a 36-week lead time and rising material costs; the vendor will refund $55,000 for scrap brass.
- motion:Motion to approve the 2023 AMI Project purchase of IPERL smart meters for $849,231.35 and an $850,000 budget amendment moving bond proceeds from the Building Improvement Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse project. (passed)
Core & MainTylerMr. DoeMs. Manns2023 Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) ProjectAMI Phase 1 (2014)Building Improvement Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse projectIPERL smart metersSR-1 metersSR-2 meters▶ Jump to 2:03:57 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[02:03:57] Next, request to approve the addition of Juneteenth as an official city holiday. [02:04:02] Oh, advanced metering infrastructure. [02:04:07] We've got to have that. [02:04:09] Yeah, we probably do. [02:04:10] All right. [02:04:11] 2023 advanced metering infrastructure project. [02:04:16] This is actually phase two of an AMA project that was completed a few years ago, [02:04:28] and it is slated to be implemented next fiscal year. [02:04:35] The reason that we are putting this matter on your agenda for consideration this evening [02:04:42] is we have learned that there is a 36-week lead time for delivery on the retrofitted meters. [02:04:51] So, we are asking your consideration to allow us to place the order for the AMA IPERL smart meters at this time [02:05:01] so that they will be delivered for us in the next fiscal year so that we may implement the project. [02:05:13] The meters are a sole source unit price, and the purchase is in accordance with the city's purchasing procedures and guidelines. [02:05:23] The amount that we are asking you to consider is $849,231.35. [02:05:35] In order to fund this expenditure, we will, as part of this item, [02:05:43] we are asking you also to approve a budget amendment in the amount of $850,000, [02:05:51] and the budget amendment is a temporary amendment that will take us into next fiscal year, [02:05:59] and it moves bond proceeds from the Building Improvement Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse project to the 2023 AMI project. [02:06:13] And there are some specifics about the project that I think Mr. Doe would like to introduce. [02:06:22] Yes, thank you again, Ms. Manns, and thank you, Mayor and Council. [02:06:26] So, going back to 2014, as some of you may recall, we completed the AMI Advanced Metering Infrastructure System Phase 1 project. [02:06:40] At that time, it was identified that we had several very old brass-bodied meters in our system. [02:06:47] These are called SR-1 meters and SR-2 meters. [02:06:51] The intent of the Phase 1 project was to replace the SR-1 meters, which are significantly older than the SR-2 meters. [02:07:01] That's important to note. The SR-1 meters were removed. [02:07:04] Brand new eye pearls were installed, the plastic composite AMI-compatible meters, meaning that they can talk to City Hall. [02:07:12] We have antennas and receivers all over the city on the elevated tank at our water treatment facility. [02:07:20] Basically, these new meters took us into the digital age. [02:07:25] They're compatible and able to communicate with Tyler and much more interactive for the public to go online and view. [02:07:33] So, it's the next step in the water meter technology. [02:07:36] About half of our water meters were the SR-1s. [02:07:39] Those were removed and these new eye pearls were put in. [02:07:42] These are the same meters we're asking for in this item here, these eye pearls. [02:07:48] The other half of the meters, roughly, were SR-2 meters. [02:07:52] These meters were also brass, however, they were newer and they were able to be retrofit, [02:07:57] meaning that the top register, where you saw in your old meter, you'd see the dial spinning and you'd see the numbers. [02:08:04] That component of the meter was able to be removed and a new register was able to be put on that, making them AMI-compatible. [02:08:11] So, you had a new register and an old meter. [02:08:15] The guts and the brass of those SR-2 meters are basically past their useful life. [02:08:22] Those are the meters that we are asking for your approval to replace with the purchase of all these new eye pearls. [02:08:30] We're wanting to move all of our meters to this new eye pearl system. [02:08:34] The recommended lifespan for an SR-2 is about 10 to 15 years or a million gallons. [02:08:41] We have some that are close, if not right at that number. [02:08:46] As Ms. Mann said, due to the current economic conditions, materials for this type of product are definitely in short supply. [02:08:55] It's a struggle to get these things. [02:08:58] We want to get them as soon as possible at the price that they're at. [02:09:03] The price that we were quoted from Korn, Maine, who we've worked with for many, many years, [02:09:08] they've given us a great deal on these meters. [02:09:12] I'll tell you that from what I looked at online and with some other vendors, you can look at over double the cost. [02:09:19] I know we're ordering a lot, and that has a lot to do with it, but the time is now to get these meters. [02:09:25] Of note, they will be paying us back $55,000 for the scrap, for the old brass. [02:09:34] It is definitely recommended that you approve this so we can at least start the process of getting these meters in [02:09:41] before the cost of the composite material goes up. [02:09:46] Thank you. [02:09:47] We'll open it up for public comment. [02:09:49] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [02:09:52] Move approval. [02:09:53] Second. [02:09:54] Second. [02:09:55] What about the old tops, the new tops on the old ones? [02:10:00] Are those being scrapped as well then? [02:10:02] Yeah, those are part of the scrapping deal from what they told me, yeah. [02:10:05] The brass is worth more.
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2019/2020 Street Improvements Project Close Out
approvedStaff presented a request to purchase new iPerl AMI-compatible composite water meters from Kornmain to replace aging SR-2 brass meters citywide, following the earlier Phase 1 replacement of SR-1 meters. Staff cited supply shortages, favorable pricing, and a $55,000 scrap credit for the old brass. A motion to approve was made and seconded.
- motion:Motion to approve the purchase of new iPerl AMI-compatible water meters to replace the city's SR-2 meters. (passed)
KornmainTylerMs. Mann$55,000 brass scrap credit2019/2020 Street Improvements Project Close OutPhase 1 water meter replacement projectSR-1 metersSR-2 metersiPerl AMI-compatible meters▶ Jump to 2:06:40 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[02:06:40] At that time, it was identified that we had several very old brass-bodied meters in our system. [02:06:47] These are called SR-1 meters and SR-2 meters. [02:06:51] The intent of the Phase 1 project was to replace the SR-1 meters, which are significantly older than the SR-2 meters. [02:07:01] That's important to note. The SR-1 meters were removed. [02:07:04] Brand new eye pearls were installed, the plastic composite AMI-compatible meters, meaning that they can talk to City Hall. [02:07:12] We have antennas and receivers all over the city on the elevated tank at our water treatment facility. [02:07:20] Basically, these new meters took us into the digital age. [02:07:25] They're compatible and able to communicate with Tyler and much more interactive for the public to go online and view. [02:07:33] So, it's the next step in the water meter technology. [02:07:36] About half of our water meters were the SR-1s. [02:07:39] Those were removed and these new eye pearls were put in. [02:07:42] These are the same meters we're asking for in this item here, these eye pearls. [02:07:48] The other half of the meters, roughly, were SR-2 meters. [02:07:52] These meters were also brass, however, they were newer and they were able to be retrofit, [02:07:57] meaning that the top register, where you saw in your old meter, you'd see the dial spinning and you'd see the numbers. [02:08:04] That component of the meter was able to be removed and a new register was able to be put on that, making them AMI-compatible. [02:08:11] So, you had a new register and an old meter. [02:08:15] The guts and the brass of those SR-2 meters are basically past their useful life. [02:08:22] Those are the meters that we are asking for your approval to replace with the purchase of all these new eye pearls. [02:08:30] We're wanting to move all of our meters to this new eye pearl system. [02:08:34] The recommended lifespan for an SR-2 is about 10 to 15 years or a million gallons. [02:08:41] We have some that are close, if not right at that number. [02:08:46] As Ms. Mann said, due to the current economic conditions, materials for this type of product are definitely in short supply. [02:08:55] It's a struggle to get these things. [02:08:58] We want to get them as soon as possible at the price that they're at. [02:09:03] The price that we were quoted from Korn, Maine, who we've worked with for many, many years, [02:09:08] they've given us a great deal on these meters. [02:09:12] I'll tell you that from what I looked at online and with some other vendors, you can look at over double the cost. [02:09:19] I know we're ordering a lot, and that has a lot to do with it, but the time is now to get these meters. [02:09:25] Of note, they will be paying us back $55,000 for the scrap, for the old brass. [02:09:34] It is definitely recommended that you approve this so we can at least start the process of getting these meters in [02:09:41] before the cost of the composite material goes up. [02:09:46] Thank you. [02:09:47] We'll open it up for public comment. [02:09:49] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [02:09:52] Move approval. [02:09:53] Second. [02:09:54] Second. [02:09:55] What about the old tops, the new tops on the old ones? [02:10:00] Are those being scrapped as well then? [02:10:02] Yeah, those are part of the scrapping deal from what they told me, yeah. [02:10:05] The brass is worth more.
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Request to Approve the Addition of Juneteenth Day as an Official City Holiday
Discussion continued on a prior topic regarding water meter consumption monitoring and resident access to usage data; no action on Juneteenth holiday addition appears in this transcript segment.
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[02:10:07] They'll take and use those, but the majority of that $55,000 is for the brass, yeah. [02:10:12] No telling if we made the right decision whether to save them or not. [02:10:16] Then after five years, we could have, at any case, that's water under the, or through the pipe, I guess. [02:10:23] So the one thing that you said, which I'm very excited about, I was excited about it five years ago, [02:10:31] was the idea that the public could look in on these and they could see, [02:10:35] and I know that there was discussion from our previous IT responses that we had trouble [02:10:42] and we weren't compatible after Tyler said that we were, and without placing blame, [02:10:47] I know this was brought up a year ago, [02:10:50] and I am still hopeful that our residents will be able to put some check on their, [02:10:58] where their email or their phones will get notice if they're on vacation [02:11:02] or there's an unusually high level of water. [02:11:06] The amount of time that's spent in the billing collection department dealing with folks [02:11:11] who didn't know that their renter left the water on and moved out for weeks [02:11:17] or mail didn't get delivered, it seemed like a great fix. [02:11:22] So I know that's not part of this project particularly, [02:11:25] but I'll be looking forward to finding out if we are going to be able to activate that for our residents. [02:11:31] I will say, if I may, that even though it might not be at full capacity for our residents [02:11:37] to view their consumption in real time, we're able to do that, [02:11:43] and the billing and collection staff and finance staff are excellent [02:11:47] in letting us know they've set parameters and red flags, [02:11:50] so when they see that something looks out of the normal as far as like consumption [02:11:55] that could be a leak or something of that nature, they let us know pretty quickly, [02:11:59] and our staff from Public Works goes out and takes a look.
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Approval of Mural Proposal for Fitzgerald's Irish Tavern
discussedItem appears mislabeled in agenda; transcript covers tail end of IPERL water meter purchase approval and the request to add Juneteenth as an observed paid city holiday by amending Section 13.01 of the Personnel Rules and Regulations. Council moved and seconded approval of Juneteenth; discussion was favorable but the vote outcome is cut off in this excerpt.
- vote:Approve purchase/budget amendment related to IPERL water meters. (passed)
- motion:Motion to approve adding Juneteenth as an observed paid holiday by amending Section 13.01 of the Personnel Rules and Regulations. (none)
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[02:12:02] So all of these meters will be, you know, able to be monitored, at least by our staff. [02:12:09] Thank you. [02:12:10] That doesn't answer the question. [02:12:12] We are trying to enable the system where the residents will be able to monitor it on their own. [02:12:20] Second. [02:12:21] What's the life of the IPERL meters? [02:12:24] Fifteen years roughly, yeah. [02:12:27] So significantly longer than the, you know, the 10 from the old brass, and that's just the brass. [02:12:33] You know, the components inside those old meters could go bad. [02:12:37] So, yeah, it's 15 to 20 roughly. [02:12:41] Deputy Mayor. [02:12:42] So just to make sure, we also made some budget amendments, [02:12:44] so we're moving money temporarily from the fleet warehouse. [02:12:50] Until the beginning of the next fiscal year, and then we'll transfer the money back. [02:12:54] Very good. [02:12:56] Mr. Murphy. [02:12:57] Yeah, and I appreciate you guys getting ahead of it to save money, [02:13:02] buying it now and waiting until later, and materials, and, you know, it's hit or miss. [02:13:07] You don't know when you're going to get some things, and it takes forever, so it's hard. [02:13:10] So getting ahead of it now is definitely better, so I appreciate that. [02:13:13] And then we've got the money to swing it right now and do it, so it works out. [02:13:17] Yeah. [02:13:18] Any further discussion? [02:13:20] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:13:23] Aye. [02:13:24] Opposed, like sign. [02:13:26] Motion passes. [02:13:27] Now the request to approve the addition of Juneteenth. [02:13:30] President Biden signed a bill into law last year [02:13:35] which designates June 19th as Juneteenth National Independence Day, [02:13:40] which, as you all know, is the U.S. federal holiday [02:13:43] which commemorates the end of slavery in the United States. [02:13:47] The purpose of this agenda item is to request your permission to amend Section 13.01 [02:13:57] of the Personnel Rules and Regulations of the City of New Port Richey Human Resources Policy Manual [02:14:08] to observe Juneteenth Day as an official observed holiday for city employees. [02:14:17] The city staff has currently 13 paid holidays, [02:14:26] and we have done research on comparable R-Comp communities [02:14:33] and found that many of them have started to recognize this federal holiday [02:14:40] as one of their recognized holidays. [02:14:44] We certainly think that it's appropriate for us to do so, [02:14:47] and most of the communities recognize between 12 and 15 holidays on an annual basis, [02:14:56] so we're right about in the middle of the pack, [02:14:58] which is where I think we'd want to be. [02:15:00] want to be, it's therefore recommended that you consider approving the addition [02:15:07] of Juneteenth Day as an observed official paid holiday to Section 13.01 [02:15:16] of the New Port Richey Personnel Rules and Regulations. Thank you. I'll open it up [02:15:21] for public comment. Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. I make [02:15:27] a motion to approve it. Second. The Maker? No, I think it's a great idea. I mean, I [02:15:33] think that we're right in the middle, so we have room to be able to do it, and I [02:15:36] think that we should. Second. I agree. Deputy Mayor? Yes, sir. Mr. Murphy? I think it
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