Council adopted a 180-day moratorium on multifamily buildings over four units and new outdoor display rules for commercial districts; Madison Street townhomes got a first reading.
15 items on the agenda · 9 decisions recorded
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Pledge of Allegiance
Procedural opening: confirmation of quorum, Pledge of Allegiance, and a moment of silence honoring servicemen and women.
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[00:00:22] We have a quorum. [00:00:23] Would I like to ask everybody to please stand, join me in the Pledge of Allegiance and remain [00:00:24] standing for a moment of silence in honor of our servicemen and women at home and abroad. [00:00:25] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for [00:00:26] which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Moment of Silence
Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of silence in honor of servicemen and women at home and abroad.
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[00:00:23] Would I like to ask everybody to please stand, join me in the Pledge of Allegiance and remain [00:00:24] standing for a moment of silence in honor of our servicemen and women at home and abroad. [00:00:25] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for [00:00:26] which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [00:00:28] Thank you.
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Approval of December 1, 2020 Regular Meeting Minutes
approvedCouncil approved the minutes of the December 1, 2020 regular meeting via voice vote.
- motion:Approve the December 1, 2020 regular meeting minutes. (passed)
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[00:00:29] You may be seated. [00:00:30] The next item on the agenda is the approval of the December 1st minutes. [00:00:31] Move for approval. [00:00:32] Second. [00:00:33] Any discussion? [00:00:34] Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. [00:00:35] Aye. [00:00:36] Aye. [00:00:37] Aye. [00:00:38] Aye. [00:00:39] Aye. [00:00:40] Aye. [00:00:41] Aye. [00:00:42] Aye. [00:00:43] Aye. [00:00:44] Aye. [00:00:45] Aye. [00:00:46] Aye. [00:00:47] Aye. [00:00:48] Aye. [00:00:49] Aye. [00:00:50] Aye. [00:00:51] Aye. [00:00:52] Aye. [00:00:53] Aye. [00:00:54] Aye. [00:00:55] Aye. [00:00:56] Aye. [00:00:57] Aye. [00:00:58] Aye. [00:00:59] Any discussion? [00:01:00] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:01:02] Aye. [00:01:03] Aye. [00:01:04] Aye. [00:01:05] Aye. [00:01:06] Aye. [00:01:07] Aye. [00:01:08] Aye. [00:01:09] Opposed like sign. [00:01:10] Motion passes.
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Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval
on consentDuring public comment on purchases/payments, a speaker criticized the city for treating Black Lives Matter-style displays differently from a 'Back to Blue' rally and urged that city money be spent on the people in 2021.
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[00:11:02] Why is that? [00:11:03] Why do we get treated differently from you? [00:11:07] And I say for you because I see Ms. Mann and I see the chief and other people at the Back to Blue rally. [00:11:13] But when we try to have a simple display of people's names who have been killed, it's a problem. [00:11:21] Ms. Mann, you said you would fine us. [00:11:23] You were riding around with the chief of police not long ago looking to do just that. [00:11:28] I think our money should be spent on the people. [00:11:31] And that's what I hope we can accomplish in 2021. [00:11:34] Thank you. [00:11:35] Thank you. [00:11:36] Anyone else?
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First Reading, Ordinance No. 2021-2218: Special Exception for Central Madison Townhomes Project
discussedFirst reading of Ordinance 2021-2218, granting a special exception for the Central Madison Townhomes project—four attached single-family townhomes on a 10,000 sq ft portion of property at 6414 Madison Street in the R3 zoning district and downtown future land use. Staff and the Development Review Committee recommended approval; one written opposition (Lorelle Smith) and a public comment from John Kane raising concerns about setbacks and alley traffic were noted.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2021-2218
6041 Florida Avenue6414 Madison StreetMassachusetts AvenueCentral Madison LLCPasco County Public RecordsWay TrimAndy MikulskiBrad CorneliusJohn KaneLorelle SmithMs. MannCentral Madison TownhomesDevelopment Review CommitteeDowntown future land use classificationOrdinance No. 2021-2218R3 zoning districtSection 5.02.06 Land Development CodeSpecial Exception▶ Jump to 11:37 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:11:38] Seeing no one else come forward, we'll close Fox Pop, bring it back to council. [00:11:43] Next item on the agenda is the consent agenda. [00:11:46] Move for approval. [00:11:47] Second. [00:11:49] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:11:52] Aye. [00:11:53] Opposed, like sign. [00:11:55] Motion passes. [00:11:57] Motion passes. [00:11:58] Next is public ordinance, first reading ordinance 2021-2218. [00:12:05] This is ordinance number 2021-2218, ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:12:10] to approve pursuant to section 5.02.06 of the Land Development Code, [00:12:14] a special exception for the development of an attached single-family townhome project [00:12:19] within the R3 zoning district and downtown future land use classification [00:12:24] for property located at 6414 Madison Street, as more particularly described herein, [00:12:29] providing for complex severability and an effective date. [00:12:34] Mr. Mayor, members of the city council, back in November of 2020, [00:12:39] you approved an ordinance which allowed for attached single-family townhome projects [00:12:47] as a special exception within the R3 zoning district under special conditions. [00:12:57] The request before you this evening is for a special exception for property [00:13:03] as described by the city attorney as 6414 Madison Street, [00:13:08] which is a 15,000 square feet piece of property located at the southeast corner of Madison Street [00:13:16] and Central Avenue. [00:13:22] There's been a PowerPoint presentation which further identifies the specifics [00:13:27] of the proposed project prepared by Brad Cornelius of Way Trim, [00:13:33] and he's prepared to present that to you at this time. Mr. Cornelius? [00:13:41] Good evening. As Ms. Mann said, my name is Brad Cornelius with Way Trim, [00:13:44] and I'm a contracted planner with the city of New Port Richey. [00:13:47] So I have a presentation for you, a short presentation. [00:13:50] We'll go over an overview of the project and the standards and compliance [00:13:54] from the staff perspective. Just so the council is aware, [00:13:57] the applicant is also here this evening, and I know he would also like to present his project as well. [00:14:05] To begin, as Ms. Mann said, this property is located at 6414 Madison Avenue. [00:14:10] It's actually six lots, six platted lots. [00:14:15] It's lots 11 through 16 on block 72 is the project, [00:14:20] and it's at the southeast corner of Madison and Central Avenue. [00:14:25] Our owner is Central Madison LLC, and the applicant is Andy Mikulski. [00:14:30] The property size, as Ms. Mann said, is 15,000 square feet. [00:14:33] But so the council is aware, the project itself is going to go on 10,000 square feet. [00:14:38] So it will be on a portion of the property. [00:14:40] It will be on the eastern portion of the property. [00:14:43] It will be 10,000 square feet. [00:14:45] The property is within your downtown future land use classification. [00:14:48] It has the R3 zoning. [00:14:50] It is also served by city sewer and water. [00:14:53] In terms of what's around it, we did look at that as well, [00:14:56] in terms of compatibility and consistency. [00:14:58] To the east, you have... [00:15:00] It's in the downtown future land use. [00:15:02] The R3 zoning is developed with a single family home. [00:15:06] To the west, it's also in the downtown future land use. [00:15:09] It has an MF14 zoning, which is your multifamily zoning, [00:15:12] but it's developed as a single family unit there. [00:15:16] To the north and to the south, it's also in the downtown, [00:15:20] but it is developed as an office, as an office building. [00:15:24] So you have a mix of commercial, [00:15:27] of office and residential around this property. [00:15:30] Next, please. [00:15:35] Okay. [00:15:36] So in terms of description, the first part, [00:15:38] and what's important is, as Ms. Mann said, [00:15:40] in November, you adopted an ordinance [00:15:42] that would allow the consideration of a special exception [00:15:45] of these attached townhomes. [00:15:47] So to make it clear to everyone, [00:15:48] a townhome is not multifamily. [00:15:50] It is not a duplex, triplex, or fourplex. [00:15:53] A townhome is a very specific type of product and project. [00:15:56] And that's the definition that's in your code. [00:15:59] It's a group of two or more attached [00:16:00] single family dwelling units [00:16:01] constructed with property lines separating each unit, [00:16:04] where each unit extends from foundation to roof, [00:16:07] with the yard or public way on at least two sides. [00:16:10] So again, this is very clearly, [00:16:11] these are separate units that just happen to be attached, [00:16:14] physically attached, but they're on their own lots. [00:16:16] There is a property line that separates each of the units, [00:16:19] and they are able to be sold separately. [00:16:22] What this project specifically is, [00:16:24] is they're proposing to do two sets [00:16:26] of two single family attached townhomes. [00:16:29] So there'll be two units attached on two lots, [00:16:32] and then there'll be a space, a separation, [00:16:35] and then there'll be another two units attached [00:16:37] for a total of four units on the property. [00:16:42] Each unit will be on a 2,500 square foot lot, [00:16:45] which is the original platted lot. [00:16:47] It is 25 by 100. [00:16:49] So each unit will be on an original platted lot [00:16:51] of 25 by 100, or 2,500 square feet. [00:16:55] These townhomes are good size. [00:16:58] They are three bedroom, two and a half baths. [00:17:01] Living areas, as you can see there, [00:17:02] a little bit over 1,800 square feet. [00:17:05] Two story units at a height of 30 feet. [00:17:07] So that's the kind of product you're seeing, [00:17:08] and the developer can give you more specifics on that. [00:17:12] Next please. [00:17:14] This is the site plan, as you can see, [00:17:17] and I'm left handed, so I have to go to my left. [00:17:21] As you can see, the total property goes there to Madison, [00:17:25] but the two sets of units are on the east side [00:17:28] of the property. [00:17:30] You have the two sets. [00:17:31] There's two units in each of those pieces. [00:17:34] On the east side of the property that abuts [00:17:36] the single family property, that has a five foot setback. [00:17:41] So it has actually the same setback [00:17:43] as that single family home has adjacent to it on the side. [00:17:47] It does meet that side setback for that other home. [00:17:51] And then between the units, you have a total, [00:17:54] I believe, of 10 feet, five feet on either side [00:17:57] between the two sets of the property. [00:17:59] On the front, the front setback, [00:18:03] you have the structure itself. [00:18:05] It's a little bit over, close to nine feet. [00:18:07] It's like 8.8 feet. [00:18:09] And then the porch is at about five feet [00:18:11] to the front property line. [00:18:13] And on the rear, there's a garage on the rear [00:18:15] on the alleyway to the rear of the property, [00:18:17] and that is at approximately five feet. [00:18:20] So that is the site plan, and that is the layout [00:18:22] that's being proposed. [00:18:24] Again, the applicant gave you more details on this. [00:18:26] Next, please. [00:18:29] This is just real quick showing you the floor plan. [00:18:32] Again, you can see the three bedroom, [00:18:33] the two and a half bath. [00:18:34] It is two stories. [00:18:36] Just thought that would be important to show [00:18:37] the character of what these units would be on the inside. [00:18:41] Next, please. [00:18:43] These are images of the facade [00:18:45] or what the building will look like. [00:18:47] Again, it has an architectural character to it, [00:18:51] which is being proposed. [00:18:53] Next, please. [00:18:56] So from the staff perspective, [00:18:58] we looked at it in terms of compliance [00:18:59] with your requirements, [00:19:01] and to make sure this met those requirements. [00:19:05] The first part, our first, I guess, level of analysis [00:19:08] to make sure it meets the requirements [00:19:09] of the ordinance that you adopted back in November. [00:19:12] So the first part is to make sure that this is, [00:19:15] these are only allowed in the downtown [00:19:17] or your downtown core future land use. [00:19:19] This is compliant. [00:19:20] It is in your downtown future land use. [00:19:23] The other requirement is that the density [00:19:25] cannot exceed what's allowed in that land use. [00:19:28] So in your downtown land use, [00:19:29] you allow a maximum density without the other adjustments [00:19:33] that the council approved last month, [00:19:36] but a core density of 20 units per acre [00:19:38] is the maximum density allowed. [00:19:40] This project, based on the 10,000 square feet, [00:19:43] is under the 20, it's at 17.42 dwelling units per acre, [00:19:47] so it's compliant with that maximum density. [00:19:51] And there's a minimum property size [00:19:53] or lot size for the project, which is 5,000 square feet. [00:19:57] This project site is 10,000 square feet, [00:19:59] so it is compliant with that requirement. [00:20:02] The next one is each townhome must be located [00:20:05] on a lot of no less than 2,500 square feet. [00:20:07] Again, as I said, each of these townhomes [00:20:10] will be on a 25 by 100 lot, originally platted. [00:20:13] It meets the 2,500 square feet requirement. [00:20:16] And the final requirement in the ordinance [00:20:19] that we're discussing is each lot home [00:20:21] shall be on and consistent with the parcel record [00:20:23] as recorded in the public records of Pasco County. [00:20:25] So again, what we're saying here is [00:20:28] that these lots being created are not new lots. [00:20:31] They're not subdividing, they're not creating [00:20:33] additional lots that weren't already there. [00:20:35] So they're going on lots that have already been platted. [00:20:38] And that is consistent with this project. [00:20:41] Next, please. [00:20:43] And I already went through these, [00:20:44] so I won't hit those again, [00:20:46] but these are the proposed development standards [00:20:48] for the project, the ones that I didn't discuss [00:20:50] just so it is clear for everyone. [00:20:53] In terms of the impervious area for this project, [00:20:55] it's 76% of the lot. [00:20:58] The floor area ratio is a 0.91. [00:21:02] There will be two parking spaces per unit in the garage, [00:21:05] so eight parking spaces, which is compliant. [00:21:08] There are gonna be solid waste receptacles, [00:21:10] garbage cans that'll be screened as part of this project. [00:21:13] And they are having landscaping and building facade, [00:21:15] which are shown on the plans before you. [00:21:18] But what's important for the council to realize here [00:21:20] in this discussion is the way the ordinance was adopted, [00:21:25] it gives the council the ability [00:21:26] to set the development standards. [00:21:29] You don't have to refer to the underlying R3 standards. [00:21:33] You all as the council will set [00:21:36] what the required development standards are. [00:21:38] These are what are being proposed [00:21:40] with the project before you. [00:21:42] Next, please. [00:21:45] So the next level of analysis we had to look at [00:21:48] is for the special exception itself. [00:21:50] You have the requirements for a special exception [00:21:53] within your code that are general standards [00:21:57] that we need to make sure that it meets. [00:21:59] So the first one is, [00:22:00] is this use permitted in the zoning district? [00:22:03] Yes, it is. [00:22:04] It's permitted as a special exception, [00:22:05] so it is compliant with that requirement [00:22:07] for a special exception. [00:22:11] We have to make a finding that the granting [00:22:13] of this special exception will not adversely affect [00:22:15] the public health, safety, or welfare of the community. [00:22:17] Excuse me. [00:22:19] Again, we found that to be compliant. [00:22:21] When you look through our staff report and our analysis, [00:22:24] we don't see any significant increase in traffic, [00:22:27] no significant increase in potable water or sewer, [00:22:29] stormwater impacts, and minimal off-site impacts. [00:22:32] We don't see this as causing a negative impact [00:22:34] on the surrounding area in terms of this development. [00:22:38] The next one is the granting of this exception [00:22:40] is consistent with the intent of the district. [00:22:42] Again, we find this to be compliant. [00:22:44] The intent of the R3 zoning district [00:22:46] is for single-family development. [00:22:49] This is a form of single-family development. [00:22:51] So this is consistent with that intent. [00:22:54] It just happens that they are attached units, [00:22:57] but these are single-family units, [00:22:59] so we do believe it is consistent with the R3 district. [00:23:04] Next, please. [00:23:07] The next ones are excessive traffic [00:23:09] will not be generated on residential streets. [00:23:12] We have it documented in our staff report, [00:23:13] and what our finding is that really the increase is minimal [00:23:17] in terms of looking at nine total additional trips [00:23:20] for the entire day, and less than one in the peak hour. [00:23:24] So very minimal impact to traffic. [00:23:28] The other nice thing about this location [00:23:30] is there's a Pasco bus stop right there on the corner, [00:23:33] and you have also very good sidewalk network [00:23:36] in that area. [00:23:37] So again, we don't see an issue with traffic impacts. [00:23:41] Again, the use will not adversely affect [00:23:43] the residential character of existing neighborhoods. [00:23:46] Again, I will say that these townhomes are residential. [00:23:49] They're single-family. [00:23:51] From our review, we do find it compliant [00:23:54] and consistent with the surrounding development plan. [00:23:57] And then finally, there will not be [00:23:59] a vehicular parking or traffic problem. [00:24:01] As I said, minimal traffic, and they are providing [00:24:04] for onsite parking with the parking garages. [00:24:06] So again, we see no issue with that. [00:24:09] And finally, what's very important is the consistency [00:24:13] with the city's comprehensive plan. [00:24:16] What I have in my PowerPoint is the applicant, [00:24:18] if you look through your materials, [00:24:21] provided a very thorough analysis [00:24:23] of the comprehensive plan and consistency. [00:24:26] We reviewed it, we agree with his analysis [00:24:29] and the analysis provided by the applicant. [00:24:31] We find this project to be very much [00:24:35] moving forward with the downtown and the intent [00:24:38] of that downtown future land use [00:24:40] to provide for a greater mix of housing units [00:24:42] and housing opportunities and types. [00:24:44] And that really helps to continue to grow [00:24:47] that opportunity here in New Port Richey. [00:24:49] So we really do see that moving forward, that intent. [00:24:53] Next, please. [00:24:55] With the recommendation, your special exceptions [00:24:59] are required to go to the Development Review Committee [00:25:01] and the City Council. [00:25:03] So the Development Review Committee, [00:25:04] we did review it as a committee, [00:25:06] and we did make the findings that I just presented. [00:25:09] And we do recommend approval of the special exception [00:25:13] to the City Council. [00:25:14] As a note to City Council, if this is approved, [00:25:18] what will happen next is it'll come back [00:25:20] to the Development Review Committee [00:25:21] before the final engineering plans to be finalized, [00:25:24] for the details to be worked out, [00:25:26] and for them then to move forward. [00:25:27] So we'll still have to come back [00:25:29] for final engineering design. [00:25:30] What you have before you this evening [00:25:32] as part of the special exception [00:25:33] is more of a conceptual plan. [00:25:35] It doesn't have everything worked out, [00:25:36] all the details worked out yet, [00:25:38] but it's really close to being there. [00:25:40] We just have to get over the final hurdle. [00:25:42] Next, please. [00:25:45] Just so for the Council's information, [00:25:47] we did send out quite a bit of public notice for this, [00:25:50] which is required by your code. [00:25:52] We did send out notices within, [00:25:54] property owners within 500 feet. [00:25:56] We did publish a newspaper ad [00:25:58] specifically for the special exception, [00:26:00] which was also published. [00:26:01] We also posted a sign on the property. [00:26:05] So we did have quite a bit of public notice. [00:26:07] As of yesterday, we had received one opposition, [00:26:14] and I believe the nice lady did provide a letter [00:26:17] before the meeting this evening. [00:26:18] So she was an opposition, [00:26:20] and we also received a phone call in opposition. [00:26:22] But that's the only public response [00:26:24] we've received at this point. [00:26:27] Next, please. [00:26:30] So what the request is before you this evening [00:26:32] is first is to approve the proposed special exception [00:26:36] and proposed development standards, [00:26:37] which you have the ability to amend [00:26:39] if you find other standards more appropriate, [00:26:43] and approve the first reading of the ordinance, [00:26:46] 2021-22-18, and then it'll come back to you [00:26:50] at your January meeting [00:26:51] for your final consideration and approval. [00:26:54] So that is my presentation. [00:26:56] Be happy to answer questions you may have. [00:26:58] And again, the applicant is here [00:26:59] to provide a presentation as well. [00:27:02] Questions for staff? [00:27:03] These are for sale or for rent? [00:27:06] I'll let the applicant, [00:27:07] but my understanding is they're for sale, [00:27:09] but the applicant can confirm that for you. [00:27:12] Come on down here. [00:27:13] Mr. Mikulski. [00:27:16] Mr. Mikulski. [00:27:23] Good evening. [00:27:24] Andy Mikulski. [00:27:25] I own the property at 6414. [00:27:28] Well, my wife does too, but. [00:27:31] So the intent is for it to be for sale. [00:27:35] That being said, once it changes hands, [00:27:39] there's no controlling whoever buys it. [00:27:41] If they choose to rent it, [00:27:42] that's gonna be out of my control. [00:27:43] That's not my question. [00:27:44] I just wanna know if they're for sale or for rent. [00:27:46] Yeah, the intent is for sale. [00:27:48] Of course, this is a huge gamble. [00:27:50] If it doesn't appraise [00:27:52] or if I can't sell it at the sale price, [00:27:54] I may have to rent it, [00:27:56] but that is definitely not my intent. [00:27:59] Your intent, if you sell the floor, [00:28:00] were you gonna put two more on there? [00:28:02] What's that? [00:28:03] Is your intent, if you sell the floor, [00:28:04] that you put two more there? [00:28:06] On the last section of land? [00:28:08] That's what I'm gonna see how these perform. [00:28:11] My intent for that, [00:28:13] I really honestly don't know what I'm gonna do with it. [00:28:16] It's, I think it's, [00:28:18] the future land use would allow [00:28:19] some kind of commercial space, [00:28:20] which is really intriguing to me, [00:28:23] but it's kind of just depend on the market [00:28:26] and see how these first four do, but yeah. [00:28:32] Other questions, anybody? [00:28:36] Did you have a separate presentation? [00:28:38] No, no, I don't. [00:28:39] I just want to, [00:28:41] I just want to make sure that the images were available [00:28:44] if needed to refer to if you guys had any more questions, [00:28:48] but that is, I think Brad's presentation [00:28:50] was covered all the details, [00:28:52] so it's, I think it's gonna meet a huge unmet demand [00:28:58] for this type of living in the city, [00:29:00] and I'm hoping the market responds, [00:29:02] and if it does, hopefully we can get more people in here [00:29:05] doing good quality projects. [00:29:07] That's my intent. [00:29:11] We have a comment to be written to them. [00:29:18] Yeah, what was the opposition that you were, [00:29:20] we asked the clerk to read the letter, please. [00:29:26] It was filed by Lorelle Smith, [00:29:30] and she stated that she was against [00:29:32] having a two-story townhomes, [00:29:36] the amount four units in a small space, [00:29:41] my main concern are, [00:29:43] sorry, it's very difficult to read your handwriting, [00:29:45] the units will become low-income rentals over time, [00:29:50] and or that, [00:29:55] I'm sorry, I can't make that out, [00:29:57] congestion in the area with easy way. [00:30:00] for a fire department on Madison and drainage issues. [00:30:03] She would prefer to see either single-family homes [00:30:07] as the rest of the area or cute shops [00:30:09] instead of more apartments. [00:30:10] I think these apartments would detract [00:30:12] from the small-town feel that we love in New Port Richey. [00:30:19] Do we have an approximate value [00:30:21] of what they've been going for? [00:30:24] I wish I knew. [00:30:25] It's gonna depend on construction costs. [00:30:30] That's, and honestly, I can't, [00:30:32] I have no idea what those are gonna be. [00:30:35] Of course, they always keep going up forever, [00:30:37] and just my ballpark at this point, [00:30:41] after just talking to a couple of contractors, [00:30:43] just very rough plans that they looked at, [00:30:47] I'm gonna guess around 300,000 [00:30:50] to just basically qualify for a bank loan and show a profit. [00:30:56] I would like for it to be a little bit less [00:30:57] because I think it's kind of high, [00:30:59] but again, it's gonna depend on construction costs, [00:31:02] which is kind of out of my control, [00:31:05] just kind of what the market is gonna be at the time. [00:31:09] Do we have anybody in the room [00:31:11] that would like to make a public comment on this? [00:31:21] Did you want your tablet? [00:31:24] Thank you, sir. [00:31:28] John Kane, 6041 Florida Avenue. [00:31:31] At first, I was in favor of this project. [00:31:33] I have nothing against the townhomes. [00:31:35] You already know about the ordinance on the R3. [00:31:39] However, the setbacks are the issue. [00:31:42] And I think it should have been, [00:31:43] rather than proposed as a package like this, [00:31:45] I think the setbacks in the past, [00:31:47] whenever we alter them, [00:31:48] I had to alter them on an addition on my home at one time, [00:31:52] should apply for a variance. [00:31:54] I am not in favor of a five foot setback in the front, [00:31:58] nor the rear, because number one, [00:32:00] it interviews with the viewshed. [00:32:02] We've long in this city maintained a 25 foot setback, [00:32:05] I believe, which is why everyone that comes to our city [00:32:09] says that it's quaint and they enjoy driving up the streets [00:32:13] and seeing the homes set back the way they are. [00:32:19] As far as the garages in the back, [00:32:22] to say that that won't add, [00:32:24] they already figured up nine trips a day. [00:32:26] I don't know how you do that, [00:32:28] because the gentleman that is developing, [00:32:31] he said he's not even sure if the person that buys it [00:32:34] is gonna use them as rental. [00:32:35] So we don't know who's coming or going, [00:32:38] but that'll be adding to the alley traffic, [00:32:41] which I'm really not certain about, if that's a good idea. [00:32:45] In my mind, everybody else in the city, [00:32:49] except for somebody who's built a rather large garage [00:32:53] on Massachusetts Avenue, is you come out Washington, [00:32:56] which we changed an ordinance on [00:32:59] because of everybody else has their garage in the front. [00:33:03] And that is also the home that's gonna be up against [00:33:08] this two story structure with a five foot setback. [00:33:14] If that structure has only five feet to the front, [00:33:19] you're looking at 20 feet of wall [00:33:21] for that person that's living here. [00:33:23] So as he's backing out of his driveway, [00:33:26] he's got 20 feet of wall. [00:33:28] So unless he has somebody in the back seat of his car, [00:33:32] how does he safely get out? [00:33:33] You know, somebody to let him know it's clear. [00:33:36] I mean, you're backing out and you have all wall. [00:33:39] We're talking about a five foot setback. [00:33:41] That's 20 feet to get to that five foot setback. [00:33:45] That's much further. [00:33:46] Anybody looking up the street? [00:33:49] Well, we're all at 25 feet, Mr. Mayor. [00:33:51] My setback is 25 feet. [00:33:55] Not too long ago, I was gonna install a canopy [00:33:59] and I went to get a permit and I was told I can't do that [00:34:03] because I have to observe a 25 foot setback. [00:34:06] And I said, well, my house is at 25 feet. [00:34:09] And they said, well, that's why you can't put one up. [00:34:11] That's what it would take in the overlay district. [00:34:14] So now we're looking at putting up townhomes [00:34:17] at a five foot setback from the road. [00:34:19] That is considerably different. [00:34:21] When you look up Central Avenue, [00:34:25] for anybody that lives up there, [00:34:26] which is all single family homes, [00:34:29] they're gonna be blocked. [00:34:30] Their view will be blocked. [00:34:31] They'll be looking at a wall. [00:34:36] You know, if they employed the other lot [00:34:39] and made the townhomes perhaps wider, [00:34:42] the project may be feasible to come in. [00:34:45] And I'm not saying even if they had to observe 25 feet, [00:34:51] but at least if it was, I mean, [00:34:52] five foot to the street is just not, [00:34:55] it's just not in a residential area like that. [00:34:58] It's not something that I see as being positive [00:35:02] or contributory to the aesthetics of our neighborhood, [00:35:06] of our city. [00:35:07] And there's a lot of kinks to work out with this. [00:35:10] A lot of uncertainty I was just picking up [00:35:12] from this conversation. [00:35:13] So I would ask you, until things get ironed out, [00:35:17] or you can look at those setbacks [00:35:20] in a more organized fashion, [00:35:24] rather than this come to you as a package deal, [00:35:27] I would ask that you do not approve this. [00:35:30] And because whatever you approve [00:35:32] is gonna be there for a long, long time. [00:35:35] Thank you. [00:35:36] Thank you, Mr. Cain. [00:35:37] When I'd like to go on note, there's also a proposition. [00:35:48] Can I address some of those comments? [00:35:50] Please. [00:35:51] Why don't you let her talk first, [00:35:52] and then you can address them all. [00:35:55] I don't know if you have to address any of mine. [00:35:57] Hi, Victoria Barley, Berkshire Hathaway, [00:36:02] realtor in the city of New Port Richey. [00:36:05] And I cannot tell you how wonderful it is to see you all. [00:36:08] It has been a very, very long time. [00:36:11] I wanna also thank the staff in the city. [00:36:14] The decorations for this time of year is so joyous. [00:36:19] It really makes us forget all the things [00:36:22] that we possibly are going through, [00:36:24] all of us in a different way. [00:36:25] So I wanna thank you for decorating the city [00:36:30] in such a beautiful way. [00:36:32] Also, welcome, Commissioner Peters. [00:36:36] What a wonderful addition to our city leadership. [00:36:38] Thank you for serving, and all of you, of course. [00:36:41] I'd like to speak in support of the residential project, [00:36:45] the Central Madison Townhouse Project. [00:36:48] As a real estate agent in the city of New Port Richey [00:36:50] for over 20 years, we have been looking and waiting [00:36:54] and hoping that our city would develop [00:36:59] in this type of architecture [00:37:01] and type of residential living. [00:37:04] In the last, I currently have buyers [00:37:07] who are interested in purchasing this project. [00:37:10] And I also am here to represent a particular buyer [00:37:14] who is very involved, [00:37:17] a very, very involved community leader, [00:37:21] not only in our city but in our county, [00:37:24] qualified to purchase at this price, purchase, [00:37:28] and is on the list with the builder. [00:37:31] According to the multiple listing service, [00:37:33] which I look at in the city of New Port Richey [00:37:35] in the year 2020, we have sold 60 residential houses [00:37:40] just in our demographics. [00:37:43] Currently only have four pending properties, [00:37:46] and currently only have four listings [00:37:48] in the city of New Port Richey. [00:37:50] Those properties also are in the process of being renovated. [00:37:55] So people are very interested because of the efforts [00:37:58] of the leadership of the city [00:38:01] in the last two and three years. [00:38:04] People are interested, businesses are coming, [00:38:08] residents want to be here, [00:38:10] and we get calls on it all the time. [00:38:13] Riverfront property, as you know, [00:38:16] is sales within two or three days. [00:38:19] City properties, maximum 30 days on the market [00:38:24] in this 2020. [00:38:25] When we thought this pandemic year in my profession [00:38:30] was going to be drab, it was just gonna be nothing. [00:38:34] I've never worked so hard in my life. [00:38:37] So I'm grateful for what you've done in the city, [00:38:39] and now we need the residents to come, [00:38:41] so I am definitely in support of this project [00:38:45] for purchasing of townhomes in the city of New Port Richey [00:38:50] and the architecture. [00:38:51] And finally, I'd like to say happy holidays to all of you. [00:38:55] Please stay safe and healthy, [00:38:58] and it was a pleasure to be here. [00:39:00] Thank you. [00:39:01] Anyone else? [00:39:03] Mr. Starkey. [00:39:10] Good evening, Frank Starkey, 5939 Grand Boulevard. [00:39:15] Is that better? [00:39:17] I, you all have heard me talk plenty about townhouses. [00:39:22] I just wanted to point out that townhouses [00:39:25] as a building type are something that hasn't been part [00:39:30] of the building stock in New Port Richey. [00:39:33] I'm not sure why. [00:39:34] My guess is that until zoning came along, [00:39:38] New Port Richey didn't have the economics [00:39:41] to support or to necessitate it, [00:39:44] and then zoning closed the lid on it. [00:39:48] It's something, it's a building type [00:39:50] that the market naturally wants to build [00:39:52] because as the market demand, as Mrs. Barley pointed out, [00:39:58] increases and property values go up. [00:40:00] It makes sense to shrink houses. [00:40:05] Townhouses are wonderful because they give you [00:40:07] the advantages of a single family house, [00:40:09] but you're not paying for excess yard [00:40:11] on the sides and the front. [00:40:13] The plans that Andy's proposed have the master suite [00:40:17] on the ground level, which makes them extremely attractive [00:40:20] to empty nesters and retirees who do not want [00:40:24] to mow that 25 foot front yard [00:40:27] that Mr. Cain is referring to, [00:40:32] but do really want to live in downtown [00:40:35] and walkable to all of the cool stuff [00:40:37] that's going on here, including city hall meetings. [00:40:43] And I'll part with saying that some [00:40:46] of the most celebrated residential neighborhoods [00:40:48] in the country, if you think of Charleston or Savannah [00:40:50] or Alexandria or Georgetown or any beautiful, [00:40:55] any of the beautiful residential neighborhoods [00:40:58] that people love, as you get closer to the main street [00:41:03] or the high street or the commercial core [00:41:06] where the houses get closer together, [00:41:08] townhouses are a typical thing. [00:41:11] Yes, they tend to be closer to the sidewalk [00:41:13] because they are taking advantage [00:41:15] of every square foot of the lot. [00:41:18] And those transitions from townhouses [00:41:22] to single family houses can be abrupt sometime, [00:41:25] but over time, those transitions ease [00:41:29] and the houses adjacent to them respond. [00:41:32] The point that Mr. Cain made [00:41:35] about the 25 foot front setback, [00:41:38] actually, to compare apples to apples, [00:41:42] with the new porch ordinance, [00:41:44] porches can extend into that front setback up to 10 feet. [00:41:50] And I believe in this district, [00:41:53] the front setbacks are 20 feet, not 25. [00:41:56] And the five feet that he's referring to [00:41:58] is to the front of the stoop. [00:42:00] The walls are more like almost nine feet back. [00:42:04] So you're really comparing five feet to 10 feet, [00:42:07] not five feet to 25 feet, if that makes sense. [00:42:10] So front of porch to front of stoop [00:42:12] is five versus currently 10. [00:42:17] And also, I'm not sure that there's really [00:42:19] a driveway immediately adjacent to it. [00:42:21] He raises a good point that changes in building type [00:42:25] can be abrupt, but they're not the end of the world [00:42:27] and they don't kill the neighborhood. [00:42:30] So I think this is a beautiful project. [00:42:32] I know Andy personally, and I know what he's made of. [00:42:37] I know what he does. [00:42:38] I have every confidence that he'll do a beautiful project [00:42:41] and it'll be a great addition. [00:42:45] And there will be some wonderful new residents [00:42:49] contributing to the life and tax base of New Port Richey. [00:42:52] Thank you. [00:42:53] Thank you. [00:43:03] Just to clarify the setbacks, [00:43:06] it is a five foot setback for the porch [00:43:09] to the property, from the property line to the porch. [00:43:13] However, the current edge of the road on Central [00:43:18] to the actual property line is 18 and a half feet of grass. [00:43:22] That's right of way. [00:43:24] So in essence, when the project is built, [00:43:28] the actual building will be about 27 and a half feet [00:43:32] from the edge of pavement. [00:43:34] So that's effectively a large front yard [00:43:38] that's going to be in front of there anyways. [00:43:40] So it's not going to be five feet off the street. [00:43:43] So it's not going to be like a wall presence. [00:43:47] So, and it is, I did want to get the master [00:43:54] on the first floor, which basically forces me [00:44:00] to max out the land. [00:44:04] I think that's a huge selling point. [00:44:05] I think it's going to be very hard to sell [00:44:07] to someone who's looking to downsize [00:44:10] and make this their forever home [00:44:12] if their master's on the second floor. [00:44:14] I don't have a two-story house. [00:44:15] I don't want to deal with stairs at my age. [00:44:17] They're just a pain, so. [00:44:19] Or your foot. [00:44:20] Or my foot, yeah, I've actually, [00:44:24] yeah, I forget it's on and I try to tackle stairs. [00:44:30] So anyways, I appreciate you guys listening to everything [00:44:33] and thanks for the consideration. [00:44:34] Thank you, what is upstairs, actually? [00:44:37] What's that? [00:44:37] What's upstairs? [00:44:38] Two bedrooms for the grandkids and a workshop. [00:44:44] So you'll never go up there. [00:44:46] The laundry's also planned to be on the first floor. [00:44:48] So pretty much your day-to-day [00:44:50] is everything on the first floor. [00:44:52] Andy, I was looking at the drawings. [00:44:54] How wide is the porch going to be there? [00:44:57] It's not going to cover the entire facade of the front yard. [00:45:00] No, the porch, it's just a stoop. I think it's five or six feet wide, but I think four feet deep. [00:45:07] So just a covered stoop for when you open the door, you're out of the elements. [00:45:11] It's not a big covered front like what Frank had talked about on some of the design standards. [00:45:19] It's the doorway, so to speak. [00:45:20] Right. [00:45:21] Okay. [00:45:21] Okay. [00:45:22] Any other questions? [00:45:24] No. [00:45:25] Thank you. [00:45:27] Any other comments? [00:45:31] Seeing no one, I'll close it and bring it back to council. [00:45:35] Move for approval. [00:45:36] Second. [00:45:37] Do we have a motion? [00:45:38] Second. [00:45:39] To the maker? [00:45:40] Nothing more. [00:45:41] Mr. Murphy, I think you were the first, second. [00:45:43] No, I mean, it fits into our future land use. [00:45:46] We definitely, at least from my perspective, we want it to be owners. [00:45:51] We want families in there or to be definitely owners. [00:45:57] And I know there's already one person at least on the list ready to move in already. [00:46:02] So I think we got a good shot at that. [00:46:04] And I find it hard to believe that it could somehow be low-income housing if, you know, they're going to be going for $200,000 or $300,000. [00:46:11] That's going to be kind of hard to do. [00:46:13] So I think we're good. [00:46:15] Mr. Peters? [00:46:17] I like the project. [00:46:18] I was initially concerned about the five-foot setback up front because I'd like to see some green space and, you know, [00:46:26] and able to have some nice landscape there. [00:46:28] But the fact that a porch is only taken up as small as that gives another eight feet in front of the building, [00:46:34] plus the right-of-way would really present itself to make an area for a nice landscape. [00:46:40] So I like it. [00:46:41] Mr. Alvin? [00:46:43] So Central Avenue has the island in the middle, and it's a well-landscaped old Central Avenue. [00:46:53] In fact, in the old days, I believe the bridge across the river out to Highway 19 was off of Central, or it was close. [00:47:03] It was not where it is now. [00:47:04] It was at least over maybe where the boat ramp is, not too far off. [00:47:08] So, you know, by calling it Central Avenue, by leading it to the lake, [00:47:12] it certainly is a major focal point for this walkability that we're trying to promote, [00:47:19] and that alone I think makes it important for us to test this product out in a place that really is appropriate. [00:47:26] Near the hospital, someone could work there, walk to it. [00:47:29] Getting here today from the other side of the river on Main Street, [00:47:36] the traffic was backed up to where folks coming off of River Road could not get to make a left turn during the light change [00:47:44] because we're already experiencing some traffic issues. [00:47:49] The conversion of the residents in our city already to golf carts, to walking, [00:47:55] to make this an urban spot where one might understand why they're not going fast, [00:48:01] versus an empty town that's blocking the way through traffic. [00:48:07] There's going to be a lot of issues and growing pains, I think, as we bring that density [00:48:12] that's going to be important for the survival of the retail in town. [00:48:16] As much as everyone's proclaiming how wonderful our city is and what's happening, [00:48:22] we've still got a long way to go to reach that point where we are a destination and we have retail and we have shopping. [00:48:29] And when that comes, it's going to be, hopefully it does come. [00:48:33] And when it does, I would agree that Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Philadelphia, I mean townhomes, [00:48:42] the idea that you have a ten-foot space between the townhomes to the residential. [00:48:47] In a true townhome community, it's sort of the row houses from whether it's All in the Family [00:48:54] or some of these places where you see up north true townhome living with small backyards. [00:49:01] But we have the big park, we have the big rec center, [00:49:04] and it looks like we have someone else to get introduced to tonight here, so welcome. [00:49:09] The difference, the clarification to John of the difference between the appearance [00:49:16] and it's an unknown to our residents where the property lines fall. [00:49:22] We have Montana, for example, it's a much wider street with right of way than some of the other streets. [00:49:29] Delaware is pretty wide. [00:49:31] The way our city was laid out ought to become the template for the way in which we develop it into the modern city that we want. [00:49:43] So I'm going to support the motion, but I also think that in fairness to residents who want to expand on their lots, [00:49:52] and as this process continues, I think, and we see more interest in the value of our real estate, [00:49:59] we may be having to rethink to provide some equity to folks who may want to build on lots too. [00:50:07] I've got a vacant lot now that I'm planning to start to build on Montana. [00:50:12] I'm going to have the survey done, so I'll see where the city stops and the property begins, [00:50:18] but to go back another 25 feet from, or 20 feet or whatever, and it's in the R3 zone, [00:50:25] from the city's property line is much different than an existing road with sidewalk [00:50:33] with an end of the public right of way, so to speak, in visual terms. [00:50:39] And I think that ought to become a common commentary in our projects as we go on, [00:50:47] what is on the ground versus what is on the plat book. [00:50:52] So I'm going to have confidence in the staff that this is right, [00:50:55] but I also think that while we've started this trend in the downtown, [00:51:03] and I would agree with Mr. Starkey's comments that, you know, successful cities where people want to live [00:51:10] need to allow them to be able to live and walk out and go to restaurants [00:51:15] and not further congest the visitors and the people passing through. [00:51:24] But in the same sense, our residential base around it has to also find some value enhancements [00:51:35] that can allow them to move duplexes that aren't in the downtown into some kind of a product [00:51:42] that's going to want to be sold again and become homeowners [00:51:47] what really has happened mostly in the 80s and into the 90s when we had such an increase of duplexes. [00:51:56] So it's the beginning of something. [00:51:59] I think it's something we've talked about, so I don't know how we can not approve it, [00:52:04] because it's what we've wanted, but we've already seen some of the need for us to explain it [00:52:10] and demonstrate how this can benefit everybody in town. [00:52:15] So thanks for letting me do my soapbox. [00:52:18] I have to get at least one long comment out every meeting, so hopefully you forgot. [00:52:24] That's it. [00:52:26] That's it. [00:52:28] Thank you. [00:52:31] John, when Sandy came up, I finally managed to get Google Maps up in satellite view [00:52:37] so I could see where that other one is. [00:52:39] Their driveway is on the far east side of the property, [00:52:42] so even if it were as close to the road as you were fearing, [00:52:46] they'd have a little more of a view area than otherwise. [00:52:50] And Sandy, don't get any ideas from what I'm about to say, [00:52:54] but there will come a time that my wife and I downsize, [00:52:59] because we're living in a house where the master bedroom is upstairs, [00:53:05] and we need the amount of space we've got, like a hole in the head. [00:53:10] We really don't. [00:53:12] The kids are long gone. [00:53:14] So there will come a time when we're looking at something that's smaller, [00:53:19] with a master bedroom on the ground floor. [00:53:22] So I think you're right in your general approach. [00:53:26] It would be a very attractive type of style when the time comes for us. [00:53:32] It would just be right. [00:53:36] I mean, much smaller than what we're dealing with now, [00:53:39] and much easier to age in place in. [00:53:42] Plus, it's right across the street from the fire department, [00:53:47] so if you have a problem, it's going to take them mere seconds to get to you [00:53:51] when you have a problem. [00:53:53] And you're right down the street from the hospital ER and everything else. [00:53:57] It's like, what's not to like? [00:53:59] Plus, you can walk or take a golf cart downtown. [00:54:02] Announcement? [00:54:03] No, I am not moving. [00:54:05] That's why I said, Sandy, don't get too excited. [00:54:10] But, you know, it really is. [00:54:14] We don't have any of these in town right now. [00:54:19] So it will be sort of interesting to see how fast they get snapped up. [00:54:24] Any other discussion? [00:54:27] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:54:31] Aye. [00:54:32] Opposed, like sign. [00:54:33] Motion passes.
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Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2020-2215: Moratorium on Multi-Family Residential Buildings
approvedCouncil adopted on second reading Ordinance 2020-2215, establishing a 180-day moratorium on permitting, construction, or installation of multifamily residential buildings with more than four dwelling units, to allow staff time to study and recommend design standards for the land development code. No public comment was offered.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2020-2215
- motion:Motion to approve Ordinance 2020-2215 establishing a 180-day moratorium on multifamily residential buildings with more than four dwelling units. (passed)
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[00:54:35] Next is second reading ordinance 2020-2215. [00:54:39] This is ordinance number 2020-2215, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:54:44] providing for a 180-day moratorium on the permitting, construction, [00:54:47] or installation of multifamily residential buildings having more than four [00:54:51] dwelling units within the city, providing for enforcement, [00:54:54] providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. [00:54:57] Ms. Vance? [00:54:59] Yes, sir. [00:55:00] This ordinance effectuates, as the city attorney indicated, [00:55:04] a 180-day moratorium on the issuance of building permits for multifamily [00:55:10] residential developments in the city which have not already been initiated [00:55:15] and which are not being implemented in multiple phases. [00:55:22] The purpose of the moratorium is to provide the staff an opportunity to study [00:55:29] and make recommendations as it relates to design standards that need to be [00:55:38] incorporated into the city's land development code, [00:55:42] which does not currently contemplate any as it relates to residential structures. [00:55:48] The purpose of those would be to protect the value of our existing neighborhoods [00:55:54] as well as to ensure the future, that future development is fitting to the community. [00:56:01] In particular, we would be looking to promote neighborhood compatibility [00:56:06] and to encourage development that is integrated within existing neighborhoods, [00:56:13] both from a transportation and a pedestrian perspective. [00:56:19] With that, we are asking for 180 days to do our homework. [00:56:24] Very good. [00:56:25] I'll open it up for public comment. [00:56:29] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:56:32] Move for approval. [00:56:33] Second. [00:56:34] To the maker. [00:56:36] Second. [00:56:37] Mr. Peters? [00:56:38] Nothing. [00:56:39] Mr. Allman? [00:56:40] No, sir. [00:56:41] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:56:44] Aye. [00:56:45] Opposed, like sign. [00:56:46] Motion passes. [00:56:47] Next is second reading ordinance 2020-2193.
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Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2020-2193: Outdoor Display Ordinance (C1, C2 and Highway Commercial)
approvedCouncil adopted Ordinance 2020-2193 on second reading, amending the Land Development Code to regulate outdoor display, sales, and storage areas in C1, C2, and Highway Commercial zoning districts. Changes since first reading included permitting outside storage in the downtown area, allowing temporary outdoor displays for 72-hour periods twice per year, and removing an exemption related to height of stored construction equipment.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2020-2193
- motion:Motion to approve Ordinance 2020-2193 with the changes as noted regarding outdoor display areas in C1, C2, and HC zoning districts. (passed)
AltmanPetersC1 Light General CommercialC2 General CommercialCottages at Oyster BayouHC Highway CommercialOrdinance No. 2020-2193Section 7.22.00 of Chapter 7 of the Land Development CodeSubsection 7.22.05▶ Jump to 56:48 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:56:52] This is ordinance number 2020-2193, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:56:56] amending section 7.22.00 of chapter 7 of the Land Development Code [00:57:01] pertaining to general district regulations by adding subsection 7.22.05 thereto, [00:57:07] providing for outdoors display areas in the C1 light general commercial, [00:57:11] C2 general commercial, and HC highway commercial zoning districts, [00:57:15] providing for standards for such displays, providing for temporary displays, [00:57:19] providing for exemptions, providing for definitions of terms, [00:57:22] providing for severability, providing for codification, and providing an effective date. [00:57:28] The intent of the ordinance is to provide for both the appropriate location [00:57:33] and design for outdoor sales display and storage areas in the C1, C2, [00:57:41] and highway commercial zoning districts of the city. [00:57:45] It is additionally to mitigate any adverse impacts that outdoor sales display [00:57:51] or storage may have on adjacent properties, public rights of way, or the community as a whole. [00:57:59] The ordinance itself contains a purpose section, a definition section, [00:58:06] which contains standards, 21 individual standards, [00:58:11] which were introduced to you at your last meeting. [00:58:17] Since your last meeting, the city attorney amended the ordinance to contain some language [00:58:25] which provides that outside storage is permitted in the downtown area. [00:58:32] We also added a section that provides for temporary outdoor display areas for a 72-hour period of time, [00:58:43] two times per year, and we removed a section from the exemptions section of the ordinance [00:58:54] related to the height of stored pieces of construction equipment. [00:58:59] And with that, the ordinance stands as it was originally presented to you at your last meeting, [00:59:06] and we are recommending that you consider approval of the ordinance with the changes as noted. [00:59:12] Thank you. We'll open up for public comment. [00:59:16] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:59:19] Move for approval. [00:59:21] Second. [00:59:22] Make that? [00:59:23] No, with the changes, I'm happy. [00:59:24] Second. [00:59:25] I think it looks good. [00:59:27] Mr. Altman? [00:59:28] No, sir. [00:59:29] Mr. Peters? [00:59:30] I'm happy with the changes as well. [00:59:31] The changes covered it for me also. [00:59:35] If there's no further discussion, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:59:38] Aye. [00:59:39] Aye. [00:59:40] Opposed, like sign. [00:59:41] Motion passes. [00:59:42] It's my understanding that the cottages at Oyster Bayou final plant review has been removed from the...
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Cottages at Oyster Bayou Final Plat Approval
tabledStaff requested that the Cottages at Oyster Bayou Final Plat Approval be tabled because the applicant had not submitted the performance bond or the final plat language. The item will be addressed at a future meeting.
- direction:Table the Cottages at Oyster Bayou final plat approval pending submission of the performance bond and final plat language. (tabled)
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[00:59:48] We're requesting that you table it, Mr. Mayor, [00:59:50] as a result of the fact that the applicant did not submit the performance bond or the final language for the plat. [00:59:56] So we'll deal with that at a future time. [00:59:58] Correct.
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Public Hearing, Special Waste Hauling Applications for the 2021 Calendar Year – Consideration for Approval
approvedCouncil held a public hearing to approve six waste haulers' applications to operate in the city for the 2021 calendar year. All six paid the $500 permit fee and franchise fees; only three minor complaints were received during 2020. Council approved the applications and discussed holding a future work session on potentially establishing hauler districts and having the city collect fees directly, after staff identified 1,900 city addresses not receiving trash service.
- motion:Approve the six special waste hauling applications to operate in the city for the 2021 calendar year. (passed)
- direction:Hold a future work session to discuss establishing waste hauling districts and possibly having the city collect fees directly. (none)
County RecyclingPeterson's CorporationRepublic ServicesWaste ConnectionsWaste ManagementWaste Pros of FloridaChopperCrystal RobertDebbie ManzPetersRobert RiveraRod Hale10% waste hauling franchise fee2021 Special Waste Hauling ApplicationsWaste hauler audit identifying 1,900 addresses without trash service▶ Jump to 1:00:00 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:00:00] Hearing on special waste hauling applications for the 2021 calendar year. [01:00:05] Um, the request before you is to consider six waste haulers, um, who have [01:00:13] submitted applications and would like permission to operate in the city [01:00:20] for the 2021 calendar year, Mr. [01:00:23] Rivera has reviewed the applications and we have determined that, um, the [01:00:34] waste hauling franchise fees have been paid, Mr. [01:00:38] Rivera, would you like to comment and make the recommendation for the council? [01:00:43] Yes, ma'am. [01:00:43] So the six haulers that we have currently are operating under their 2020 permit. [01:00:50] The six haulers would be County Recycling, Waste Pros of Florida, [01:00:56] Waste Connections, Waste Management and Republic Services, and then [01:01:01] finally Peterson's Corporation. [01:01:03] Um, the applications that they're submitting to you are to operate [01:01:07] in the 2020 calendar year. [01:01:10] The, um, as part of the application, um, they've submitted [01:01:15] their $500 permit application. [01:01:18] Um, during the year we did receive three complaints and they were basically [01:01:23] operating before the, uh, uh, start time that you can collect. [01:01:27] We had two complaints on that. [01:01:29] And then one complaint was, um, operating on a non-authorized day. [01:01:34] Both vendors were notified and immediately corrected the issues that [01:01:39] they had and responded accordingly. [01:01:41] Um, the funding, if you approve it is, uh, considered a revenue [01:01:46] source for the city's general fund. [01:01:48] The agreements do include the franchise agreements and, um, we have contacted [01:01:53] all of the vendors to let them know that this public hearing was going [01:01:57] to be conducted tonight, if you had any questions for them. [01:02:00] And with that, we would recommend that you, uh, you approve the applications. [01:02:05] Thank you. [01:02:05] Open up for public comment. [01:02:09] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [01:02:11] Move approval. [01:02:13] Second. [01:02:14] To the maker. [01:02:15] Yeah. [01:02:15] Just a clarification. [01:02:17] You said the 2020, this is going to the 2020, 21 year or the 21 year. [01:02:22] This is the 2021 year. [01:02:23] The 21 year. [01:02:25] To the second. [01:02:26] Nothing. [01:02:29] Councilman Chopper. [01:02:30] Um, are we, um, auditing, um, their road fee for lack of a better term? [01:02:37] We have recently conducted an audit, um, to ensure that all of the, um, [01:02:43] trash haulers are paying the appropriate fee for the 10% franchise, which [01:02:48] they are required to pay to the city. [01:02:51] And we did identify one of the haulers that was not paying the correct [01:02:56] amount and they did make restitution to the city for not only the current [01:03:02] year, but for past years, um, to bring them into compliance. [01:03:08] Um, that, and, um, I, I thought at some point when we, um, started that [01:03:14] 10% fee was going to 15 at some point. [01:03:16] Is that this coming year? [01:03:19] It's 10%, as I understand it going forward. [01:03:22] I thought there was a 10% for X amount of years and then 15. [01:03:27] Crystal Robert. [01:03:28] It originally had an escalation over a three year span. [01:03:32] And then I believe we brought it back to you, but I forget what year it is. [01:03:36] It's attached in your backup. [01:03:38] Uh, that called out the 10% until, until you all request to increase it or [01:03:44] decrease it or what, or what have you. [01:03:46] It's ongoing. [01:03:50] I'd like to review that. [01:03:50] I just, for some reason, I don't remember that going back on. [01:03:54] Peters. [01:03:56] Um, no, I'll save some comments later. [01:03:59] I think there, Ms. [01:04:04] Manz has been talking to the, um, the haulers about possibly coming up [01:04:09] with something for, uh, future years. [01:04:13] So we have been, um, Robert Rivera and I and Rod Hale have had recent [01:04:21] discussions with all of the haulers about perhaps establishing a system [01:04:26] where there might be some districts in the city, um, one of the more [01:04:31] troubling elements that we identified as part of the audit is that there [01:04:36] were 1900 addresses in the city that were not receiving trash service at all. [01:04:45] Um, and one of the methods by which we could guarantee that everyone [01:04:50] was receiving service would be to establish a district system. [01:04:54] Um, um, I'd like to address that just for a second. [01:04:58] Um, does that, is that going to affect this year's contract with the [01:05:02] haulers if we decide at some point to change that, because in my opinion, [01:05:06] we should be addressing the homeowners or the landlords and, um, they just pay the city. [01:05:11] Is that, can we do that without being this? [01:05:14] Okay. [01:05:14] Okay. [01:05:16] I'll, I'll, I'll continue that discussion during this communication. [01:05:19] Well, since we're down this road, uh, I was going to say this a little bit later, [01:05:22] but, um, um, yeah, I've just, uh, there, I don't know how many trash trucks go by my [01:05:30] house and, um, you know, um, they're probably the, the, the largest vehicles [01:05:37] that are, that are travel other than maybe the fire trucks, uh, on our city roads. [01:05:43] And, uh, I know that it takes wear and tear. [01:05:45] I just got to believe that there's got to be some efficiency in either [01:05:51] compartmentalize these to districts and neighborhoods. [01:05:54] I don't want to put anybody out of business, but maybe that's, you know, [01:05:57] I got to believe there's got to be some efficient to, you know, not [01:06:01] necessarily a single hauler, but maybe, but two or three haulers and divide that up. [01:06:06] Um, you know, it's got to be more efficient for the hauler that they [01:06:12] stop at every house rather than skip two houses, pick up, skip four houses, [01:06:16] pick up, go around the block, but you know, it just doesn't make sense. [01:06:20] Um, and, uh, if there's a way the city can, can, um, work out a plan. [01:06:27] I understand that there is, uh, to put this out to bed for a single [01:06:31] hauler haulers takes certain amount of years notice. [01:06:35] Um, but perhaps, uh, leading up to that, we can, as Debbie said, [01:06:40] compartmentalize this, keep everybody in business until we can get to that point. [01:06:46] Um, it's just got to be a win-win. [01:06:48] Uh, haulers got to be able to be easier for them. [01:06:51] Um, it's, uh, less noise for our residents. [01:06:56] And, you know, maybe I'll know this the right day to put my trash out [01:07:00] because I can see, you know, I missed it. [01:07:02] Right. [01:07:03] And in, in three, just a wear and tear on the, on the roads. [01:07:06] And it's just gotta be a way. [01:07:08] And maybe it's a situation where, um, the city could help, um, build that out. [01:07:15] That way we know all the, all the homes that are, that are receiving trash [01:07:19] services is adding their fair share rent. [01:07:21] Okay. [01:07:22] Since we're going to go there, I definitely like the city to take, take a [01:07:25] look at, um, at, at taking over the fees of it because then we know everybody's [01:07:30] paying, um, but we can sit here and talk to us for another 20 minutes, [01:07:34] but, um, let's have a work session. [01:07:36] Uh, let's let Ms. [01:07:38] Mance get, I, I just brought it up simply so that you guys would know [01:07:41] there, there's some discussions beyond this current year, uh, that we [01:07:46] definitely, uh, ought to look at some options on any other discussion on the [01:07:51] motion, hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:07:56] Aye. [01:07:57] Opposed, like sign. [01:07:58] We're going to get a work session. [01:08:00] Well, okay, great. [01:08:01] Uh, you didn't say the magic term. [01:08:08] Let's have a request for purchase, a vacuum excavator for [01:08:12] the water distribution division. [01:08:19] Um, thank you, Ms. [01:08:20] Mance, uh, this, this request for staff or council to consider for approval [01:08:26] is an attached proposal submitted by Vermeer corporation in the amount not [01:08:30] to exceed $113,142 for the purchase of a 2020 vacuum excavator or what [01:08:39] we would call a VE unit, the pricing is in accordance with the current [01:08:43] source, well, contract bid award number 012418 VRM, um, the water and [01:08:51] sewer collections division perform several tasks, um, using this type of [01:08:56] equipment, uh, it's what we would call a soft dig when, uh, it comes to where [01:09:01] conventional excavation is not possible. [01:09:04] In other words, if we have breaks that are in the process where we can't call [01:09:08] in a locate, and so we can't put a bucket in the ground, um, we can use [01:09:13] this type of equipment, we can use this type of equipment when we're trying to [01:09:17] excavate in yards that the utilities are in the back part of the, the homes [01:09:22] in the backyard versus taking the huge piece of equipment that we have that [01:09:26] would, um, nine times out of 10 break the driveway, the concrete, that type [01:09:31] of thing and create damage, the existing unit that we have now in service was [01:09:36] purchased in 2002, it's 19 years old, um, high maintenance costs and frequent [01:09:41] downtime, this piece of equipment is used frequently and so it is hindering [01:09:47] the operation, uh, if you do, um, if you do approve the purchase, the existing [01:09:53] equipment would be, uh, designated as surplus and then we would go ahead and [01:09:58] send that to auction, so with that we would recommend your approval to purchase [01:10:01] it. [01:10:02] Thank you. [01:10:02] Open it up for public comment. [01:10:05] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [01:10:07] Move to approve. [01:10:08] Move. [01:10:08] Second. [01:10:09] To the maker. [01:10:10] No, sir. [01:10:11] Second. [01:10:12] Mr. [01:10:12] Peters. [01:10:13] Mr. [01:10:14] Murphy. [01:10:15] Uh, yeah, I'll just say real quick, uh, about, about this equipment and, and how [01:10:18] great it works. [01:10:20] Um, when we used to, uh, for utility companies for power utilities and we'd [01:10:25] have faults on cable and we would actually call a company out and that's [01:10:29] all they did. [01:10:29] We'd say, we need a six foot deep hole here, five foot wide, and they would [01:10:33] bring that truck out and they'd have that thing dug out with the vacuum, you [01:10:36] know, like within an hour and it was awesome and we could just move on to our [01:10:40] next one, but, um, it works really great and it's good for, good for, uh, [01:10:45] working around high voltage and things like that and other utilities. [01:10:47] So it's perfect. [01:10:50] Any further discussion? [01:10:51] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:10:55] Aye. [01:10:55] Opposed, like sign. [01:10:57] Motion passes. [01:10:58] Next is the recreation aquatic center annual membership drive.
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Recreation & Aquatic Center Annual Membership Drive
approvedCouncil approved the Recreation & Aquatic Center's annual membership drive offering a 20% discount on annual memberships from December 20, 2020 through January 19, 2021 to encourage new memberships and renewals. Councilman Altman voted against, expressing concern that the discount should focus more on city residents rather than non-residents. Staff was asked to provide post-sale feedback and to revisit rate comparisons, which haven't been studied in roughly three to four years.
- motion:Approve the Recreation & Aquatic Center annual membership drive offering a 20% discount from December 20, 2020 through January 19, 2021. (passed)4–1
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[01:11:05] It's that time of year again. [01:11:07] And, um, we've been asked by the recreation department, um, for you to [01:11:14] consider approving their annual membership drive at which time they're [01:11:19] want to offer a 20% discount off of their annual membership. [01:11:25] And if you are to approve this marketing tool for the facility, they would like [01:11:33] the sale to take place commencing December 20th and run it through January [01:11:38] 19th of 2021 to encourage both new membership sales and renewals. [01:11:46] Thank you. [01:11:48] Open it up for public comment. [01:11:51] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [01:11:53] Move approved. [01:11:57] Um, you know, I just had an opportunity to visit. [01:12:00] It's a great facility. [01:12:01] I think it's well underused by our residents and I think everything we can [01:12:05] do to encourage more people to see it and use it would be great. [01:12:09] And this might be one way to do it. [01:12:11] Thank you. [01:12:11] Second. [01:12:12] I'd just like some, um, feedback after it's done. [01:12:15] Um, what kind of success we had from last year to this year? [01:12:18] What kind of membership grew or how many joined during this month last year in [01:12:23] this, or this sale last year in this sale this year? [01:12:26] Thank you. [01:12:26] Mr. [01:12:26] Murphy. [01:12:27] Oh, good. [01:12:28] Mr. [01:12:28] Altman. [01:12:29] Only when the rates were re worked four or five years ago. [01:12:35] And then again, I think rates have been again, adjusted with consultants [01:12:39] telling us how much we should charge. [01:12:42] Um, to me, the difference between the resident rate and the [01:12:47] non-resident rate is marginal. [01:12:50] And that was in order to encourage more people to use it. [01:12:53] Um, I think that the non-resident rate is already a good rate. [01:12:58] I think it's probably about time that we think about these discounts [01:13:02] applying to our city residents and trying to get our city residents out. [01:13:07] Uh, once again, we're paying another bond issue for another round of [01:13:11] recreation facilities, um, and all kinds of facilities, whatever they might be, [01:13:17] whether it's, uh, fire stations or anything else, our city residents are [01:13:21] paying libraries, um, to have as a, as an equal share of all other residents [01:13:29] in the County of our County systems. [01:13:32] And we've never really gotten a good, uh, you know, respectful response to, [01:13:40] uh, assistance help for assistance, no matter which one of those entities they [01:13:45] are, um, and they have consciously not built, uh, these facilities anywhere [01:13:50] near us, which attracts our non-residents to us. [01:13:53] Um, it's just a thought the motions made in second. [01:13:57] And I think this is a good opportunity for me to take my turn to vote against [01:14:02] it, uh, and be that one person. [01:14:04] So I don't find myself in that position for a while. [01:14:07] Um, that's my theory anyway. [01:14:10] Um, but I, if, unless there's a friendly amendment to extend this out to our [01:14:15] residents and really try to get our city residents active at the rec center. [01:14:19] Um, I'm, I'm not really, uh, encouraged to offer the discount to, uh, non city residents. [01:14:27] Thank you. [01:14:27] There, there is a discount for the city residents as well. [01:14:30] Uh, when I looked at this, uh, I looked at the non-resident family, [01:14:36] which, uh, the sale price is $403. [01:14:40] You can't take a family of four to Disney world for a day for that. [01:14:44] And this gives you a full year of, uh, use of some great pools, water [01:14:49] slides, and all the stuff that's inside as well. [01:14:53] So it's a, it, even at the non-resident rate, this is an incredible bargain. [01:14:58] Uh, [01:15:00] city residents more so. And we have not only the silver sneakers, but the Renew Active [01:15:12] groups that can get memberships for free. My wife and I signed up just as COVID lit up good, [01:15:19] so we haven't been taking advantage of it. But, you know, it's included in our Medicare plans, [01:15:25] so it's an amazing facility that I'd love to see used a lot. Ms. Mance, how long has it been [01:15:33] since the last time we looked at those, had somebody look at the rates for comparison? [01:15:40] We do, Mr. Mayor. We look a little bit, not, I shouldn't say a little bit, we do review them [01:15:48] in conjunction with our review of the fee schedule every year, but we need to do a little bit more [01:15:55] of an in-depth study, because that's been probably about three years since we've done that. I was [01:15:59] going to say three or four years, so Mr. Altman has a point. We probably should look at seeing [01:16:06] where we are comparable-wise. Just for clarity, Mr. Mayor, yeah, I was not opposed to the discount [01:16:12] for residents. I was, and I'm aware that it's there. My comment was just as to extending that [01:16:19] discount out to the non-residents. Okay, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in [01:16:25] favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? No. Motion passes four to one. All right, you're [01:16:35] next, Mr. Mayor. No, I'm just kidding. No, I think Mr. Murphy is next to be on the wrong end of a [01:16:41] four to one, but we'll go into communications, and I'll kick that one off. I was actually on
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Request to Purchase Vacuum Excavator for Water Distribution Division
Request to approve purchase of a vacuum excavator for the Water Distribution Division.