Rob Marlowe was sworn in as mayor and Jeff Starkey named deputy mayor; council weighed an Enterprise Fleet Management lease to replace 51 aging city vehicles.
13 items on the agenda · 10 decisions recorded
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- 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
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Pledge of Allegiance
The Mayor read the standard COVID-era notice regarding meetings being conducted via communications media technology, then led the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of silence honoring servicemembers, first responders, and health care workers.
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[00:00:18] City Council will be conducting its meetings through the use of [00:00:20] communication media technology until further notice. The City Council chambers [00:00:25] will not be open to the public for these meetings. Members of the City Council, [00:00:29] City staff, or presenters at the meeting may appear at these meetings through the [00:00:32] use of CMT and may not be present in the City Council chamber. City Council is [00:00:38] committed to protecting the public's right to observe and participate in [00:00:42] these meetings to the greatest extent possible without jeopardizing public [00:00:46] health. All members of the public are encouraged to visit the City's website [00:00:50] in advance of a scheduled City Council meeting. There you will find an agenda [00:00:54] for the meeting along with backup documentation for various agenda items. [00:00:57] You will be able to submit public comments or questions on any item. You [00:01:02] are encouraged to submit all your comments in advance of the meeting since [00:01:06] opportunities during the meeting may be substantially limited. City Council has [00:01:10] established the following access points for viewing the City Council meetings. [00:01:14] Online at cityofnewportrichey.org slash city dash apartment slash city dash [00:01:20] council slash meeting dash broadcasts. We couldn't have made that any longer if [00:01:27] we tried, Brian. Okay. Spectrum channel 644, Verizon Fios channel 20. During the [00:01:36] meeting, comments may be emailed to Myers J that's M-E-Y-E-R-S-J at [00:01:40] cityofnewportrichey.org or you may call 1-872-240-3412. Access code 606-759-949. [00:01:52] Please keep in mind that access to the meeting by phone may be limited and [00:01:56] email access may be delayed. By waiting until the meeting is to make a comment, [00:02:01] you may not be able to participate in the meeting. City Council reserves the [00:02:05] right to proceed on any item whether public communications are delayed or [00:02:08] otherwise obstructed. That being said, if you could all rise and join me in the [00:02:13] Pledge of Allegiance and remain standing for a moment of silence in honor of our [00:02:17] servicemen and women at home and abroad and our first responders and health care
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Moment of Silence
Procedural moment of silence and Pledge of Allegiance.
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[00:02:21] people. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Approval of April 7, 2020 Regular Meeting Minutes
approvedCouncil approved the minutes of the April 7, 2020 regular meeting.
- motion:Motion to approve the April 7, 2020 regular meeting minutes. (passed)
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[00:02:38] Thank you. You may be seated. Next item is approval of the April 7th regular meeting [00:02:45] minutes. Move for approval. Second. There's no discussion. All those in favor, please [00:02:54] signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Wonderful. The next item is
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Administration of Oath of Office to Mayor Rob Marlowe
Rob Marlowe was administered the oath of office as Mayor of New Port Richey, swearing to uphold the constitutions and laws of the U.S. and Florida and to faithfully discharge the duties of mayor.
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[00:03:00] administration oath of office to the mayor. Okay, Mayor Marlowe, if you will [00:03:08] raise your right hand and repeat after me. I, Rob Marlowe, a citizen of the state of [00:03:14] Florida and of the United States of America and a full-time resident of the [00:03:20] city of New Port Richey and being an officer of the city of New Port Richey [00:03:26] and a recipient of public funds as such officer, do hereby solemnly swear or [00:03:35] affirm that I will support the Constitution and the laws of the United [00:03:41] States and the Constitution and the laws of the state of Florida. I further [00:03:50] swear or affirm that I will in all respects observe the [00:03:59] provisions of the charter and ordinances of the city of New Port Richey and will [00:04:06] faithfully discharge the duties of the office of mayor of said city to the best [00:04:10] of my ability. Thank you. Congratulations. Mayor, can we get you and your chair on [00:04:24] the dais for a couple of pictures? [00:04:33] I see face masks. Look who's talking. [00:04:55] All right. His hair is messed up. I did ask if they could Photoshop my hair because I haven't been able to go to the [00:05:05] apartment in a while. In deference to the folks from the fire department that will probably be [00:05:12] checking us for fevers, I'm shedding this thing. It is. Congratulations. Thank you.
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Appointment of Deputy Mayor
approvedCouncil appointed Jeff Starkey as Deputy Mayor. Matt Murphy was also nominated but Starkey was selected; Chopper Davis declined nomination.
- motion:Appoint Jeff Starkey as Deputy Mayor. (passed)
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[00:05:22] The next item is the appointment of a deputy mayor. Do we have any nominations? [00:05:29] I would like to nominate Matt Murphy to take a turn at that position. I'd like to nominate Jeff Starkey. I'd like to nominate [00:05:40] Chopper Davis. I decline. Maybe we each have just a quick talk because we're all [00:05:52] friends here so it's important that whatever happens we remain it. I know [00:05:56] that Councilman Starkey is the chairman of the MPO right now and has had some [00:06:02] turn at that. Matt has had the least amount of time on a board, on an elected [00:06:09] board, and as the youngest person I just thought it would be something that we [00:06:16] can flip around from time to time because unfortunately you never miss a [00:06:22] meeting so you know you've maybe been to have you had a chance to run a meeting? [00:06:26] Never even grabbed a gavel. Is that right? So it was just a thought to move it [00:06:33] around a bit but I have great respect for Councilman Starkey. It is no disrespect [00:06:38] to try to just pass it around. I have no interest in that. I've been on the [00:06:44] Tourist Development Board. I've worked my way through that. It's been a battle [00:06:50] between the county and the city and I'd like to continue that battle so I'd [00:06:53] like to stay there. I appreciate the gesture but at this point I really don't [00:06:58] want to take on that that role at this time but I appreciate the gesture. Thank [00:07:01] you. Does that make that a second for Mr. Starkey? Second for Mr. Starkey. [00:07:07] Further discussion? Just that I respect all y'all whether it's me or anybody [00:07:13] else. The mayor's pretty pretty good with attendance. I could not be blessed with a [00:07:30] better group of councilmen to serve with me so you guys are all great and I [00:07:35] appreciate it. There's no further discussion. All those [00:07:38] in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Deputy Mayor, you're [00:07:44] it. Next item is Vox Pop. For any items not listed on the agenda or listed on
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- 7Vox Pop for Items Not Listed on the Agenda or Listed on Consent Agenda▶ 7:45
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Consideration of Appointments to Intergovernmental Committees
approvedCouncil discussed intergovernmental committee appointments, with members indicating they wished to remain in their current assignments. The Mayor noted he is the current chairman of the MPO board and wants one more year before potentially rotating. Council voted to continue all appointments as they were the prior year.
- motion:Motion to continue intergovernmental committee appointments exactly as they were the past year. (passed)
Florida League of CitiesMPO (Metropolitan Planning Organization)Tampa Bay WaterChopperMattPeteIntergovernmental Committee AppointmentsLeague of CitiesMPO boardPasco CountyResiliency Steering Committee▶ Jump to 8:15 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:08:16] intergovernmental committees and I heard a bunch of people, it sounded like they [00:08:20] wanted to stay where they were. I've been on that board since I've been on [00:08:33] council. I would like to remain on if it's okay with y'all for one more year [00:08:38] because I'm the current chairman and you're two years term at chairman. I'm [00:08:41] on the second year. Next year though, I think Pete would do a really good job [00:08:45] for MPO next year if you guys are okay with me doing one more year and then [00:08:48] I'd like to maybe try another board that I haven't been on for the remainder [00:08:51] of my term. I've really enjoyed the MPO board. Like I said, I'm the [00:08:54] chairman right now. I run the meetings, but I wouldn't mind trying something [00:08:58] different my last year. So you're happy where you are? Well, they've got me [00:09:05] on that resiliency steering committee, which is going to have their second [00:09:09] conference. So I accepted that assignment. So yeah, I would be happy to be on it and [00:09:13] I think continuing to get all of our folks interested. I used to be active in [00:09:22] the League of Cities and I know with Matt being fresh on the council that it [00:09:27] would be nice to see Pasco County begin to... it's a long path to work up your way [00:09:37] through the League of Cities and we've got these term limits that kind of make [00:09:40] some of these people have been in office for 20, 30 more years. That's the same with your board. [00:09:45] Yeah, yeah. In fact, the gentleman that just passed away was on the board when I [00:09:51] was with it when we started Tampa Bay Water in 1989 and he just passed away [00:10:00] from cancer last week. So it's hard to move up the ranks within the League of [00:10:05] Cities, isn't it? Because you've got... even if you want to get involved in it. But I'm [00:10:11] curious to have us talk a little more about what we do in our different boards [00:10:15] and we all pitch in for each other. Chopper, you're good? Okay. Matt? I'm happy to stay. In that case, I'd [00:10:24] entertain a motion we continue the appointments exactly as they've been the [00:10:28] past year. I'll second it. That's a motion by you. I'll second your motion. He [00:10:33] entertained us. Yeah, okay. Well, you can't make a motion. I'll move for the motion. Okay, do we have a second? I'll second. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. [00:10:44] Opposed, like sign. Motion passes. Next, Recreation and Aquatic Center summer
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Recreation and Aquatic Center - Summer Membership Sale
approvedCouncil approved the Recreation and Aquatic Center's annual Summer Membership Sale offering 20% off, with a modification that the sale period (originally May 13–August 9) be shifted so the discounted membership runs for the same length of time starting from whenever the Rec Center reopens. Council also gave consensus direction supporting staff's practice of extending existing members' memberships by the amount of time the facility was closed.
- motion:Adopt the summer membership sale at 20% off, with sale dates contingent on the Rec Center being open and the membership period running the same length from reopening. (passed)
- consensus:Council does not object to the City Manager extending current members' memberships by the length of time the facility was closed. (passed)
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[00:10:49] membership sale. Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, Chris Bornfleth, the Assistant Director of [00:10:56] Recreation, is present this evening to help me represent this agenda item, which [00:11:01] in short calls for a 20% discount off of the membership rate for the Recreation [00:11:11] and Aquatic Center from... it would actually be in May through August 9th. If [00:11:19] you determine that it's appropriate to go forward with the sale, it would be [00:11:24] conducted between May 13th and May 27th, and it would span then from the date of [00:11:32] application through August 9th. And I can respond to any questions you might have. I would [00:11:39] like to modify that to some degree. I would like to start it, whether they buy [00:11:45] it in that week or not, but not start it until the Rec Center is open. Okay. [00:11:51] You know, I mean, you know, you take a membership and they can't go to it, you [00:11:55] know, so if we open up June 1st, then it's whatever, was it two and a half [00:11:59] months or something? Yeah, we're hopeful and awaiting the issuance of an [00:12:04] executive order from the governor in that respect. I'm saying that that time [00:12:09] frame that that sale, I mean, sale is that one week or whatever. Two weeks, right. [00:12:14] But it goes from from that week through August 1st, you say, or August 9th? [00:12:21] August 9th. I just would like, so that's, um, what is that, six, eight weeks, nine [00:12:26] weeks, whatever it is, May, June, July, August, almost, almost three months. Right. Okay, I [00:12:32] just like it to go three months from the date that the Rec Center opens up. So if [00:12:40] we're taking ideas as well with the fact that... Let's see on this one right now [00:12:44] for a second. Let's stay on this. I mean, I'd like some discussion on that. [00:12:52] That's what I want to discuss. Oh, you said you, since we're on this, okay. [00:12:56] Well, I'm just thinking, I want to entertain into your conversation the idea [00:13:01] that we've been closed, we've had memberships, and those memberships have [00:13:05] not been allowed to have access to it already. So we're already in a position [00:13:10] where offering some discount on a future thing when we haven't fully, I mean, if we [00:13:14] were selling magazines and we stopped printing two of them, we'd still owe for [00:13:18] two twelfths of the magazine. So I think that your point of delay is a good [00:13:23] opportunity for us to either extend everybody's membership or discount as a [00:13:30] result of that, because you're calling it summer. Is it going to be June? I don't [00:13:36] know what even we're doing with our summer camps. All of that stuff is all up [00:13:40] in arms, isn't it? So it just seems difficult. I agree with this, it's difficult to make a [00:13:45] decision. And I agree with both of you, just the uncertainty makes it so tough. Like, I [00:13:49] have a summer convention for my work scheduled for July 11th in Cape Coral [00:13:52] over a weekend, and Amber asked me yesterday, is your summer convention still [00:13:55] on? No idea. I mean, we just, we don't know. But I'm with you, Councilman Altman, as far [00:14:01] as people paid this money to access this facility, they're unable to access it. So [00:14:06] I think we should extend that for our members while the, that's just my opinion, [00:14:10] while the rec center is shut down. As far as extending this summer membership [00:14:15] drive, I'm okay with that as well. It's just, it's not, I don't even want it to [00:14:18] start until our facility's open. Right, right. It's like going to buy a car you can't [00:14:23] drive, pretty much. I'm in agreement on both of those points. I think it's a [00:14:29] great, well this is, this is one, let's address this one and then go back to [00:14:33] this. So the pitch is for new people then, is that what you're thinking? Well [00:14:39] yeah, well this is, this is, this is a, yeah, this is a summer, this is a, this, [00:14:42] that's what this is about. But do they sign up for a year? No, it's a three-month. [00:14:47] They sign up for the summer months? For the summer months. It's just till August 9th or [00:14:51] whatever. We do have regulars that sign up every year just for the summer months, [00:14:57] but this is an annual sale that we have. [00:15:00] a membership and it's completely at your discretion as to whether or not we provide the 20 percent [00:15:07] off of our usual rate. In respect to those who currently have memberships and they are [00:15:15] unable to use them, the message that we have been distributing to those that have asked [00:15:21] is that we will extend their membership by the amount of time that the building was closed. [00:15:29] And in response to Councilman Altman's question about the summer program, we are hopeful to [00:15:38] have that program. We are planning for that program, but we have not opened admission [00:15:44] to the program yet at this point. [00:15:47] I'd like to move that we adopt this summer membership sale, but the sale dates are subject [00:15:55] to when the rec center is open. And go for that same amount of period from whatever third [00:16:03] or fourth week in May to August. Whatever that length of period is, move that to whenever [00:16:08] it's open. [00:16:09] I second your motion. [00:16:10] Discussion? Matt? Anything? In that case, all those in favor say aye. [00:16:16] Aye. [00:16:17] Opposed, like, sign. [00:16:19] I think the city manager can do it. And if you have an objection to that, you can let her know that. [00:16:36] But if the council doesn't object to it, I think the city manager has the authority to do that. [00:16:40] The council member has no objection. [00:16:42] Well, it goes right along with us giving her that ability during this situation. [00:16:46] And looking at other places that have membership things, that's pretty standard practice. [00:16:51] When they're closed, they just extend for however many months that they were not in operation [00:16:55] for your membership. [00:16:56] Does anybody object to that? You've got your backing. [00:17:02] All right. [00:17:03] Okay. Next item on the agenda is the fleet management lease agreement.
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Fleet Management Lease Agreement
discussedCouncil considered ratifying a fleet management lease agreement with Enterprise Fleet Management to replace an aging city fleet (average 12 years old) with a five-year rotation program. The first cycle would lease 51 vehicles including 17 police interceptors, 4 electric vehicles, 3 hybrids, and 27 gas/diesel vehicles, with projected 10-year savings exceeding $1.1 million. Discussion included funding sources (Penny for Pasco), technology transfer to new police vehicles, and concerns about rollover budgeting.
- direction:Council discussed ratifying the lease agreement between the City of New Port Richey and Enterprise Fleet Management for fleet replacement. (none)
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[00:17:09] Yes. [00:17:14] In respect to this agenda item, I have had conversation with all of you about it in advance [00:17:21] of the presentation to you this evening. [00:17:25] The purpose, though, of the agenda item is for you to ratify the lease agreement. [00:17:30] And Mr. Rivera has prepared a presentation for you in that respect, which provides all [00:17:36] the program detail. [00:17:38] Thank you, Mayor and Council. [00:17:39] What I'd like to start off with is to kind of give you existing conditions of what our [00:17:45] fleet is right now, and then go into what we're proposing as far as in the future of [00:17:53] that fleet. [00:17:55] Once I'm concluded with my portion of it, Carol Fitzgerald, she's a fleet consultant [00:18:00] for Enterprise, will be talking about the broader picture and what they have available [00:18:06] to make this program possible. [00:18:08] And then, of course, Crystal Feast is here to answer any of the financial questions that [00:18:13] you may have on this. [00:18:15] And so, like the City Manager had said, the request that we're going to ask of you is [00:18:21] to review and approve the agreement between the City of New Port Richey and Enterprise [00:18:27] Fleet Management. [00:18:30] Now, this agreement has the same unit pricing and terms and conditions as... [00:18:47] It has the same unit pricing terms and conditions as the Sourcewell contract that you all are [00:18:53] familiar with. [00:18:54] It's a relatively bid, similar to or just like government contracts. [00:19:01] So, the current condition of our fleet inventory, and one thing that I'd like to say as well, [00:19:06] is the analysis that you're going to see from Carol, there'll be some numbers that are a [00:19:11] little bit different, and that's because their analysis started off in the beginning, and [00:19:17] then, of course, as we started to get down to the end of things, we started going into [00:19:22] a little bit deeper type of data collection, but in the end, the numbers that are a little [00:19:29] bit different between the two reports are minor and actually work in favor of justifying [00:19:36] why we need this type of program. [00:19:38] An example would be they have 118 vehicles on their analysis. [00:19:43] We have 125. [00:19:45] The 125 are the additional new vehicles that we have budgeted and we're going to purchase [00:19:50] this year. [00:19:52] We're able to include those in this program. [00:19:54] So, as we stand now, the average age of our fleet, the total fleet, is 12 years old. [00:20:00] The average mileage that we have, you can see, is 72,500, and over the last three years, [00:20:07] we have average maintenance costs of around $402,000. [00:20:12] The average miles per gallon, as you can see, is seven miles, and then the average annual [00:20:18] fuel cost that we have is $263,000. [00:20:22] Now, when we look at the deficiencies of the fleet, they're pretty obvious. [00:20:28] We have outdated safety features for all the vehicles at that age. [00:20:33] Our fuel economy is seven miles to the gallon. [00:20:37] That's just atrocious. [00:20:38] Vehicle emissions are below standards, and we don't have any alternative fuel technology [00:20:44] vehicles at all in our inventory currently. [00:20:49] And so, when we dig a little bit deeper, we wanted to take a look at the police department [00:20:56] inventory. [00:20:57] Simply put, the inventory that the police department has is in the worst condition out [00:21:03] of the city. [00:21:04] Now, they have more than 33 pursuit vehicles, but the pursuit vehicles are the most important [00:21:13] piece of equipment that the officers have as far as vehicles. [00:21:17] And so, out of the 33, we have 10 Crown Victorias. [00:21:21] They're approximately 14 years old. [00:21:24] Their average odometer reading is at 130,000 miles. [00:21:28] Now, that number there could have been a month ago, and you can understand that right now [00:21:36] that same average probably is 35 or 40 at this point. [00:21:42] Then when you add in your idle time, you're well over 200,000 miles on each one of those [00:21:48] pursuit vehicles. [00:21:49] Now, they have seven chargers that are nine years old, and again, same type of thing. [00:21:56] They're in excess of 100,000 miles, and they have more than that when you count the [00:22:01] idle time. [00:22:03] Our maintenance cost to keep them in operation since 2005 on the Crown Vics and since 2012 [00:22:12] with the chargers is right around $668,000. [00:22:20] So, when we look at our deficiencies here, they're similar to what you saw in the general [00:22:26] fleet, except for they're inflated. [00:22:31] Fleet's age, if you look at the average agency's policy on how they, the terms that they like [00:22:39] to keep these patrol vehicles, you're looking at a four to seven year cycle or 100,000 miles. [00:22:47] We're not even within those areas. [00:22:50] We're not even close, and we've fallen so far behind as far as it comes to replacing [00:22:56] these vehicles in a cycle. [00:22:59] There's no way that we could ever meet that at the rate we're going. [00:23:02] We would just continually fall behind. [00:23:05] Fuel economy, vehicle emissions, they also don't have any alternative fuel technology [00:23:11] vehicles. [00:23:13] Not only do we talk about high maintenance costs, but then we need to associate that [00:23:18] with downtime. [00:23:20] One of the terminologies that patrolmen like to use is hot seat vehicles, and that's basically [00:23:27] a vehicle that due to either them not having enough vehicles or the condition of the vehicles [00:23:34] are in such bad shape that you have a continual downtime. [00:23:39] One officer finishes his shift, the vehicle keeps running, and another one gets in and [00:23:43] takes off. [00:23:44] So, you can see that when we look at the operation that we have in PD, we're dealing with all [00:23:50] kinds of variables that the hot seat vehicles will continually increase over time. [00:24:01] So, that led us to taking a look at what can we do to correct this problem, and that's [00:24:07] when we started having discussions with the different types of programs that were available [00:24:15] out there, not just the enterprise program that they have. [00:24:20] So, one of the advantages is that you have improved vehicle replacement cycles. [00:24:24] You're more capable as far as your capital expenditures and being able to get more for [00:24:31] your buck or the dollars that you have. [00:24:35] In other words, the way we were doing business is if we ended up having $65,000 for a patrol [00:24:43] vehicle and we had to put that capital up front, that limited us. [00:24:48] With the lease program, you can, say, get two vehicles for the price of one, sometimes [00:24:54] three, to where the capital expenditures that you're putting up, you don't have to do [00:25:00] it 100% at the beginning, but then you can capture some of that towards the end and actually [00:25:05] use that equipment. [00:25:07] Because you have upped your replacement cycle, you have reduced mileage. [00:25:13] You also have reduced maintenance costs. [00:25:17] The increased resale value of the decommissioned vehicles is greater. [00:25:23] Right now, if we have a vehicle that's 14 years old and it has between 150 and 200,000 [00:25:30] miles on it, you're pretty much not getting anything for it. [00:25:33] It's a worn-out vehicle. [00:25:36] Obviously, these patrol cars run hard from day one. [00:25:41] With being able to have the potential to cycle a lot sooner, you're able to get more dollars [00:25:48] and then those dollars that you get go back into the system to where you can start that [00:25:54] cycle all over again. [00:25:56] Along with this program comes an asset management availability from the consultant. [00:26:03] They have a team of people that actually are taking a look at your vehicle fleet constantly. [00:26:10] As each cycle goes by, they can take and tell you, hey, right now we think resale values [00:26:16] on this type of vehicle or something are at their all-time high. [00:26:20] You need to go ahead and turn this one in and maybe move it ahead of another vehicle [00:26:25] to where you can take advantage of current conditions when it comes to resaling of vehicles. [00:26:31] We have proposed in our first cycle, which would be funded by the approved funds that [00:26:38] were done for this fiscal year, they would include 17 police interceptors for patrol, [00:26:45] 4 electric vehicles, 3 hybrids, and then 27 types of gasoline and diesel fuel vehicles. [00:26:54] You'll see that the police interceptor hybrids we're proposing to start in the next cycle, [00:27:01] we feel that there are two things that we really need to do here. [00:27:05] We need to replace the majority of that fleet immediately. [00:27:10] With that, we need to replace them with vehicles that are true and tested and that we know [00:27:16] can handle that environment. [00:27:18] We feel that that would give us a year to where we could do our own research with reviews [00:27:24] from agencies, not companies, but agencies to see how the interceptor hybrids have taken [00:27:33] and held up under the conditions that they have. [00:27:36] The other thing that it would also do is it would give us an opportunity to train our [00:27:41] existing maintenance staff on these types of equipment. [00:27:45] Hybrids, high voltage, people can get hurt. [00:27:49] We need to do some training. [00:27:51] We just can't jump into it. [00:27:53] We feel that there would be an outreach program and giving us until cycle 2 would allow us [00:27:59] to fulfill that. [00:28:01] The leasing track record that this program offers is nothing new. [00:28:07] I just wanted to throw out some of the government agencies that are local around here [00:28:12] that actually use this type of program in some form or another. [00:28:18] Before I turn it over to Carol, my request or recommendation is that the council approve [00:28:29] this leasing program to where we can start immediately getting into the replacement of [00:28:35] these vehicles that really need to be replaced. [00:28:37] With that, I'll turn it over to Carol. [00:28:40] Can we ask a question here before you go on? [00:28:43] Sure. [00:28:44] Go back one page. [00:28:46] You had that number 7. [00:28:49] You said you had 33 cop cars already that you're replacing half of them this year and [00:28:55] then half of them next year? [00:28:57] We would be replacing 7. [00:28:59] They have more than 33. [00:29:01] We just called out the pursuit vehicles. [00:29:03] Right. [00:29:04] Okay. [00:29:05] But that's the 7. [00:29:06] That's the 33 and 17. [00:29:07] So basically you're changing out half of them? [00:29:10] Almost. [00:29:11] Yes, sir. [00:29:12] And then the electric vehicles and hybrids, they're going to be new to the fleet, correct? [00:29:17] No, sir. [00:29:18] The four electric vehicles that we have, I believe two of them will be out of the development [00:29:24] department that they have now. [00:29:26] They can go with electric. [00:29:28] One would be for the fire department rental inspection program. [00:29:33] And I believe the fourth one is for the motor pool. [00:29:40] The hybrids, they're included for, I believe, the detective vehicles. [00:29:46] So we would be incorporating some of those, but it would be on a limited basis. [00:29:51] They wouldn't be used in the type of environment like the patrol cars. [00:29:55] Let's say the hybrids. [00:29:58] The hybrids, we'll start with that. [00:29:59] Do they go home? [00:30:00] No, sir. Do any of our police go home? [00:30:04] Oh, I'm sorry. The police will go home. Yes, sir. [00:30:06] They go home. Okay. And then the hybrids would go home, too? [00:30:12] In all likelihood, depending on who they are assigned to, yes. [00:30:16] Okay. All right. Thank you. [00:30:22] Carol? [00:30:30] Hello. Can you hear me? [00:30:49] And now. [00:30:50] Excellent. I think you can. It still shows muted on my side, but hopefully everybody can... [00:30:55] Okay. City Manager Manz, could you give me a thumbs up if you can hear me? [00:31:00] I do that. [00:31:02] Thank you. Wonderful. Great. Great. Thank you so much for letting me join. I so apologize that [00:31:09] I'm not there in person. We're in very unprecedented times, and things are very [00:31:13] strange right now, but normally I'd be there in person to do this presentation. [00:31:17] And I got to tell you, it's a little difficult to follow on. Can you hear me? [00:31:22] Yes. [00:31:23] Am I breaking up? [00:31:25] No. [00:31:26] Okay. It's difficult to follow Robert because he did such a thorough job explaining the [00:31:32] program already. So thank you, Robert. I wanted to start this out by just introducing myself. [00:31:40] My name is Carol Fitzgerald. I've been with Enterprise now for 21 years, [00:31:45] working in both government and with government and commercial entities. A lot of those [00:31:49] partnerships that Robert chaired with you were partnerships that I began with those agencies. [00:31:55] And they all started with a similar study to what we did with the City of New Port Richey. [00:31:59] Now, our solutions are always customized, and they do look different, but there are [00:32:03] certain things that they have in common. So when I sat down with Robert and his team, [00:32:08] as well as City Manager Manz and Crystal Feast, I really enjoyed working with them because they [00:32:13] were very transparent in some of the issues that you guys were facing. So when we started [00:32:19] the process several months ago, what we found, and to piggyback on essentially what Robert was [00:32:25] saying, is that 40% of your light and medium duty fleet was greater than 10 years old. [00:32:32] And the city was actually acquiring at a rate of roughly eight vehicles a year, which at that rate [00:32:38] would take you over 15 years to cycle out of your entire fleet. It wasn't a matter of want. [00:32:44] The city knew, the folks knew that they needed to cycle the vehicles. They didn't necessarily [00:32:49] have the capital to do so. So that's where we come in with our open-end lease program. [00:32:57] I always like to put a little asterisk here. When people hear the word lease, they get nervous. [00:33:01] They think of mileage restrictions, damage penalties. This is a municipal lease or a [00:33:06] finance lease. There's no mileage restrictions, and there's no damage penalties. And then at the [00:33:11] end of the lease, all of the proceeds on resale go back to the city. [00:33:20] Can everybody still hear me okay? Yes, yes. [00:33:25] Okay, excellent. I want to pause here for just one moment to see if anybody had any questions [00:33:32] on any of our initial partnerships, our initial study for the open-end lease. [00:33:42] It doesn't appear so. [00:33:48] Okay, excellent. Thank you. I think one of the largest objectives for the city to really [00:33:56] accomplish is, okay, how can we increase fuel efficiency? How can we reduce maintenance expense? [00:34:02] How can we bring all the new safety features that are available with the manufacturers today [00:34:09] into our fleet with less capital? And so that's what this program is essentially doing. It's [00:34:15] allowing you to do a lot more with less capital. By leveraging the open-end lease, [00:34:21] you're able to get more vehicles each year. We've got you on a five-year rotation plan, [00:34:28] which will realize significant returns when you go to sell the vehicles, which will also help [00:34:34] fund this program moving forward. And then you have access to the enterprise account team, [00:34:39] all of our tracking software, mobile applications, and ongoing fleet management. [00:34:46] One of the areas that Robert and his team expressed was talking about electric and hybrid [00:34:51] technology. So in this first round, we're definitely leveraging some of those options for [00:34:56] you. And we'll continue that focus to make sure that the city of New Port Richey can be a premier [00:35:01] city when it comes to a green cities initiative. Any questions on any of the electric or hybrid [00:35:08] technology or any of the vehicles? Just a question here. You might be further down the road, but [00:35:17] when we have been buying vehicles before, we bought the vehicle, but then there was another [00:35:23] outfitting fee, especially for the painting and interior radios and stuff. Is that coming [00:35:29] with the lease? I apologize. If you're asking a question to me, I cannot understand. [00:35:35] I can answer that. They can answer it here. The vehicles are going to, when we take possession [00:35:40] of them, the vehicles will be exactly like they are ready to go. On the road, ready to go. [00:35:45] On the road, ready to go. So that's another two or three grants already in the vehicle. [00:35:48] Right. Okay. Go ahead. [00:35:50] Carol, do you need to change your slide? [00:36:00] No, I'm actually at the, you covered a lot of this material, Robert, so I'm actually at the [00:36:06] bottom of the page where we're looking at the results. It's important, we can always show an [00:36:10] agency that we're working with initial savings for the first or second year of a program like this, [00:36:17] but what's more important to us is to look at it over time. Is it sustainable? And what we were [00:36:23] able to realize, and again, this was the initial study, so these are very, very conservative, but [00:36:29] what we were able to realize is that over a 10-year period, we could save the city in excess [00:36:34] of $1.1 million while approving the safety and the vehicle images within the city. [00:36:40] Over the last five years, the sustainable savings averaged over $23,000 per year, [00:36:45] which doesn't sound like a lot of money, but to be able to replace your vehicle, to refresh your [00:36:52] fleet, provide the best safety features available to you, and do all of that at an actual budget [00:36:58] reduction is a win-win for everyone. So that's why it made sense for the city to consider this. [00:37:05] May I ask Ms. Manzer, Robert, a question, please? [00:37:09] Number one, I like the concept of this. I think it's a really good idea for the city. [00:37:12] You had mentioned police cars. Over the past few years being up here, we've equipped our [00:37:16] police cars with a lot of technology. I can understand, like, when you deliver a hybrid car [00:37:21] for, you know, rental inspections, it's going to be ready to go. Are we transferring this equipment [00:37:26] from our current police cars that we're replacing to the new police cars, other than just [00:37:31] receiving the cars with paint jobs and sirens and ready to go? I mean, I remember voting on, [00:37:36] like, interceptors where they can read the license plate automatically and run it through the [00:37:39] database, and just a lot of equipment we put on our police cars. So are we transferring that [00:37:43] equipment from our current cars to the new cars? Is that the plan? [00:37:46] Yes, the plan does involve moving our technology into the new vehicles. [00:37:54] And the other thing that I'd like to point out to you is we have not projected any changes [00:38:03] in the maintenance garage staff as attributable to the total savings projected out. So it could [00:38:12] be more, or it could be that those staff get to do some things that they don't typically get around [00:38:18] to doing on our vehicles. [00:38:31] Carol? [00:38:34] Yes, sir. I'm sorry. [00:38:36] You can go. [00:38:40] Done. [00:38:41] Oh, okay. I was actually going to open it up for any other questions that they might have. [00:38:47] I've gone through the majority of my presentation. [00:38:52] Thank you, Robert. You were so thorough. It was... [00:38:56] Robert's always so thorough. [00:38:57] Yes. [00:38:59] I think Crystal is sitting there wanting to say something. She's on the edge of her seat. [00:39:08] I know that Carol does have a little bit more to her presentation, but there's just a few things [00:39:14] that I wanted to touch on from the financial aspect of this program. In the current year's [00:39:21] budget, we have a little over $400,000 budgeted to purchase nine vehicles, and that's across the [00:39:26] board. Six from Public Works, two police vehicles, and one stormwater vehicle. And under this new [00:39:34] leasing program, we would be leasing 25. What's the number for this year, Robert? [00:39:44] I wanted to say 27. What did I have here? [00:39:48] So as you can see, the number that we would be leasing is significantly higher than what we had [00:39:54] budgeted to purchase. And in total, given where we are in the fiscal year, if we receive these [00:40:00] vehicles beginning of July, that's three months of the fiscal year that they would be leased. [00:40:06] So we would be spending roughly about $79,000 to lease all of those 27 vehicles. So the savings [00:40:16] for the fiscal year is there, and what is saved would be rolled forward to the following year [00:40:22] to cover the next cycle of vehicles that would be leased. [00:40:26] So $79,000 is three months of the current budget? [00:40:29] Three months. And also, I wanted to point out, as Carol mentioned, [00:40:36] this city would be entering into an open lease program, so all of these vehicles would be part [00:40:41] of an open lease. So at any point, if the city wants to discontinue the program, we're able to. [00:40:48] We would just finish out the leases of those current vehicles. We're not obligated to [00:40:52] continue the program over a number of years. Staff had particularly asked Enterprise about [00:41:03] penny-for-Pasco funds, because a number of our public safety vehicles historically have been [00:41:09] funded using penny-for-Pasco dollars. And as you know, that ends at the end of 2024. [00:41:16] And for whatever reason, if that's not renewed and we don't have the money to continue leasing [00:41:23] those public safety vehicles, we could stop the lease program at that point. We wouldn't be [00:41:27] obligated to continue. That's a hypothetical situation or scenario, but it did come up [00:41:32] in conversation, so I wanted to bring that up. If the leases are for five years? [00:41:38] Yes. Yes. [00:41:39] If it's not going to happen, penny-for-Pasco isn't going to go away, but if it went away, [00:41:50] we don't have the leases. Correct. [00:41:54] The real question is... [00:41:55] On the ones we take this year, not the ones next year. [00:41:58] Well, I don't know at what point we want to discuss the location of the funding or the [00:42:05] concept of rollover is not a concept I particularly agree to. [00:42:16] The departments don't get to use the money they don't use. They decide what they need the next [00:42:20] year, and then we budget it. So if we need to budget money for vehicles, it's a maintenance [00:42:25] ongoing cost. And the concern I've always had with using penny-for-Pasco to begin with was the voters [00:42:31] voted for that to enhance and improve our communities, not to underwrite our annual [00:42:38] operating costs. And so we can find that money, and that's our job to figure out where it comes [00:42:45] from. But having the general fund not purchase any vehicles and leaving that all to the penny-for-Pasco [00:42:54] is really helping to use money that was just like when we had the lottery money was supposed to [00:43:00] enhance education. And then people got angry because a lot of it was just used to continue to [00:43:08] fund education and they didn't see the enhancement. So I think just like whenever we put a sign up, [00:43:13] when we do a road project or an improvement and say, here's your penny-for-Pasco at work, [00:43:18] I think that that'll be a whole budget discussion. So I'm not so sure that locking in [00:43:23] maintenance expenses and making penny-for-Pasco, which was meant to enhance, [00:43:30] is the right place for that money to come from in the long term. [00:43:33] And if I could clarify, so no maintenance expenses are being funded by penny-for-Pasco, [00:43:39] historically just the purchase of those police vehicles and fire vehicles, which we haven't [00:43:44] purchased in a number of years. So just the purchase, maintenance was funded, paid for out [00:43:48] of the general fund. I think you missed my point. The operation of the city is a annual general fund [00:44:00] basic expenditure. And the penny-for-Pasco was for enhancements. It's like if you vote for this, [00:44:05] we can fix Main Street by the post office. If you vote for this, we can improve our parks. [00:44:13] And there has been a lot of discussion. It used to be like by action of the City Council, [00:44:19] this is what you can spend it on. And some of that was for emergency. But there's plenty of [00:44:26] things we could buy with penny-for-Pasco, like we had the dogs and we needed to buy [00:44:32] a fancier vehicle to enhance our police department when we had added dogs to the fleet. [00:44:40] And then we had to have the air-conditioned cages in the back of the vehicles and all that [00:44:43] kind of stuff. So to me, it's like when somebody asks, what do you use penny-for-Pasco for? [00:44:48] It's nice to say, hey, we bought some electric cars. Or we can identify things that are [00:44:53] enhancements or can improve what would be our standard. That's my only point. [00:45:00] Anything else, Crystal? [00:45:02] That's all I have. [00:45:03] I'll let Carol finish and add on if I need to. [00:45:06] Carol, go ahead. [00:45:09] Okay. [00:45:10] I'm actually finished with my presentation. [00:45:12] The latter part of the presentation really just talks about us being a strategic partner [00:45:16] and assigning a dedicated account management team to your fleet. [00:45:20] Robert had mentioned we'll meet with you as often as necessary to make recommendations. [00:45:25] Enterprise has the largest privately held fleet in North America, [00:45:28] so you're going to be leveraging our knowledge, our buying power, our resale ability [00:45:34] to realize significant returns on the back end as well. [00:45:38] And we're in this for a long-term strategic partnership, [00:45:41] but to Crystal's point, at any point in time with the open-end lease or appropriations, [00:45:46] if you would like to exit out of the contract, you can. [00:45:50] Very good. [00:45:51] Then I guess… [00:45:52] Any other questions? [00:45:53] Anything else, Robert? [00:45:54] No, sir. [00:45:55] Anything else, Ms. Manns? [00:45:57] No, sir, Mr. Mayor. [00:45:58] Then let's bring it in. [00:46:01] Did we have anybody that called in, wanted to address this issue? [00:46:09] Judy. [00:46:10] No comments received. [00:46:11] Okay. [00:46:12] I'll move for approval of the plan as presented. [00:46:16] Second. [00:46:17] Okay. [00:46:18] To the maker? [00:46:19] Yeah, just a number of the things that were displayed early on that hit me. [00:46:23] I don't know if the rest of you, but seven miles a gallon. [00:46:27] I mean, is that a – it's not the time to ask, [00:46:32] but I know we know how much gasoline goes out of the thing, [00:46:36] and I know that our fleet includes big old diesel monster vehicles [00:46:41] that are not to be compared to our concept of miles per gallon. [00:46:49] So I would assume that we would be a little more sophisticated [00:46:52] in evaluating the miles per gallon of our police patrol versus our – [00:46:59] and I don't know how much of the heavy equipment you're intending to put into this. [00:47:04] So I'll be curious to know if there are some items that we just simply outright buy. [00:47:08] I know we're buying a fire truck, and that's not going to be leased, I'm assuming. [00:47:13] We would still come to you for individual purposes of large apparatuses [00:47:20] like the fire trucks, those types of things. [00:47:24] We would touch base with Enterprise in this case and see if they had a connection. [00:47:29] An example would be if they had a connection for bucket trucks, we would ask. [00:47:35] If they said no, then we would go out and do the standard thing [00:47:38] as far as looking at state contracts, going out to bid, [00:47:41] and then coming to you and asking for approval. [00:47:44] And then on the other comment I had, and then I'm done, is the average age of the vehicles. [00:47:49] When you had 35 pursuit vehicles and you had 17 or half of them or 32 whatever [00:48:00] that were to be replaced immediately that were like over 12 or 14 years, [00:48:08] then I would have assumed the other half were not so old. [00:48:13] So there must be something that we bought, like a Model T in this mix here, [00:48:19] to get you to having that large of a – there must be some really old vehicles out there [00:48:29] that are helping you to – I don't know, I'm hoping we're exaggerating – [00:48:35] normal vehicles that are out there on every day that are not averaging 14 years old. [00:48:40] Well, I would just say this. [00:48:41] If we didn't include the utility, your average age would be worse than what it is. [00:48:47] So while we lump them together, I believe that the condition of the utilities fleet helped the report [00:48:59] because the utility is a revenue fund. [00:49:02] We've been able to replace those vehicles on a lot more frequently cycle [00:49:08] than, say, what general fund vehicles would be like the patrol vehicles. [00:49:13] Yes, there were some – I think like the development has two vehicles that are old. [00:49:18] They don't have that much miles on it. [00:49:20] But I believe that when we did the numbers, it wasn't to try to miscue anything. [00:49:28] I think that the utility added to what maybe another department might have taken away. [00:49:33] Yes, I'm just surprised that's all that's old. [00:49:35] Yes, I think the age does reflect what the majority of the fleet looks like. [00:49:40] Mr. Murphy, you were the second. [00:49:42] Did you have any comments or questions? [00:49:43] Yes, kudos to the vehicle maintenance staff for keeping the vehicles up. [00:49:48] I didn't realize how old just some of those vehicles are because looking at them [00:49:53] and seeing them driving around, they really don't look that old. [00:49:56] So kudos to them for keeping them up, [00:49:58] and I know that it's a huge expense from personal experience, so thank you. [00:50:03] Also, the only thing I'd like to respond to you on that one is when we talk about [00:50:08] have we reviewed our staffing with maintenance staff. [00:50:12] We are down one mechanic due to attrition, and we never replaced him. [00:50:20] And so now we're dealing with a staff that basically is trying to take care [00:50:25] of these major repairs. [00:50:27] And so when they're spending most of their time doing that, like Debbie had said, [00:50:32] they're lacking on, say, the regular maintenance items that need to be performed. [00:50:37] And so it's just one thing after another that compounds a problem, [00:50:41] and you can never get ahead. [00:50:43] And so our idea is that we get into a program like this, [00:50:48] and then maybe after five years we're able to look at the fleet, [00:50:53] we're able to look exactly what our work orders are saying that our maintenance staff is doing [00:50:59] to where we can look at it and try to adjust it. [00:51:02] But the other point with Councilman Altman is that, yes, [00:51:05] the other half of the PD pursuit inventory is not that old, [00:51:11] but if we're averaging a cycle of 10, 15 years, [00:51:16] by the time we were to get to them and replace the 17 that we have [00:51:21] that are over the top, they would be just in bad shape. [00:51:26] So we would still be 10 years down the road and still be dealing with the same problem. [00:51:32] Deputy Mayor? [00:51:34] I'll just say I'm in favor of the program. [00:51:35] I think it's going to be a great fit for the city, [00:51:37] and thank you for all the hard work that staff and enterprise put in to make this presentation. [00:51:44] Thank you. [00:51:45] Councilman Davis? [00:51:46] When Debbie first came and started talking to me, I was like, holy cow, [00:51:51] because I think every year we were tokening, you know, Kim, you know, Bogart, [00:51:57] okay, here's a couple of cars, here's a couple of cars. [00:51:59] And when I started to see the numbers, [00:52:01] I'm not surprised at the average age of these vehicles that are out there, because it wasn't, you know, [00:52:06] when I saw that volume and we throw a couple of cars every year, we were never going to catch up. [00:52:11] You know, so this was like, you know, it was like, wow, we should have done this, [00:52:16] because I think, you know, and Jeff, you can back me up, since we've been on council, [00:52:19] it seems like we're always behind the eight ball, whether it was fire department or police department [00:52:23] or public works just trying to keep up. [00:52:26] So I can't wait. [00:52:27] This is great. [00:52:28] And I think every one of the guys out there driving them are going to be thrilled to death. [00:52:32] You know, they're going to have technology in their cars that they didn't know existed. [00:52:37] I read through the presentation materials that were included in our packet [00:52:43] and noted that Tampa Bay Water was one of the references that Enterprise had provided us. [00:52:51] Luck had it, the day after I was going through the packet, [00:52:55] I had a teleconference with Matt Jordan, who's the CEO for Tampa Bay Water, plus some of his staff. [00:53:05] And as we got towards the end of the meeting, I said, Matt, could you give me a call back when we get done with this? [00:53:10] And he called back, and I explained to him that I was interested in what their experience had been with Enterprise Leasing. [00:53:17] And he said, hang on a minute. [00:53:19] He got one of his people that had been very much involved in the day-to-day leasing operations, [00:53:25] and they could not say enough good things about working with Enterprise, [00:53:30] including that if there was a warranty issue or something else [00:53:33] and the local dealer was giving them a hard time, Enterprise went to bat for them [00:53:39] and basically ran interference to make sure the things were kept up the way they were supposed to be. [00:53:45] So that was, to me, very positive. [00:53:50] I mentioned to Dory Larson that has been here before from the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy [00:53:58] that we had a couple of EVs that were in the first wave of new vehicles to be purchased. [00:54:05] And she and I talked, and she put me in touch with a fellow by the name of Jared Walker, [00:54:10] who is a fleet electrification specialist with the Electrification Coalition. [00:54:17] He's very familiar with the SourceWell contract. [00:54:21] He's very familiar with Enterprise. [00:54:24] They do stuff with Enterprise through the SourceWell contract. [00:54:29] One of the things that they can bring to the table is to get us access to some of the vehicles [00:54:37] that are only available in the CARB states, [00:54:40] and those are the ones that use the California Air Research Board requirements, the nearest of which is Georgia. [00:54:48] So we potentially have some options there, and they offered to help us out any way that they could as well. [00:55:00] Yeah, and so good stuff. [00:55:05] And he did mention there is a Ford, and I would screw up the model because I'm not real fluent on Fords, [00:55:13] but there is a plug-in hybrid that is now getting some attention by police departments around the country, [00:55:20] and that may be it. [00:55:25] And that will, I'm sure, be one of the things that staff looks at as we get into that. [00:55:33] The seven miles per gallon is just scary. [00:55:40] The last time I owned a car that got seven miles per gallon was in the 70s. [00:55:45] Barrels of gas is pretty cheap now. [00:55:47] Yeah, well, for the moment. [00:55:51] But the other thing that they pointed out, [00:55:54] and it's one of the reasons for looking ultimately at the plug-in hybrids or pure electrics in the police department, [00:56:01] is a lot of times these vehicles sit, and as Robert indicated, they sit there idling. [00:56:07] The difference between a conventional police vehicle and an EV or even a plug-in hybrid [00:56:16] is that when they're stopped, the motor is not running, [00:56:21] and they're doing the air conditioning and all the other stuff off of the traction batteries. [00:56:27] And so you get a lot less wear and tear on the vehicles, [00:56:32] and that may well be one of the things that ultimately swings it for some of the police department vehicles, [00:56:38] is that they will see a huge savings in their fuel expense [00:56:45] simply because they're not burning gasoline while they're sitting still. [00:56:50] Are you talking about gasoline vehicles or just— [00:56:52] Yeah, gasoline. [00:56:53] Right, yeah, that's what I was going to bring up as well. [00:56:55] I mean, I know you're—and I support you. [00:56:58] Any chance we have of going electric I think is a great idea, [00:57:01] but there's so many—I don't know if the vehicles that you listed up here, [00:57:04] especially for the police department, always have to be running. [00:57:06] A lot of the new SUVs and vehicles out there, like the mayor said, [00:57:09] you just hit that button and when you're in idle for more than five seconds, it goes off, [00:57:13] but all the AC and everything is still working, and it does save a tremendous amount of gas. [00:57:17] With the plug-in hybrids or the pure electrics, [00:57:20] they could run that air conditioning for an extended period of time without the engine turning on. [00:57:26] With a conventional stop-start, they're going to turn on after a few minutes. [00:57:31] But there's a lot of opportunities that will save huge amounts of fuel. [00:57:37] The numbers look like they're idling a third of the time. [00:57:41] They idle a lot. [00:57:44] And to put the seven-mile-per-gallon fleet average into some sort of perspective, [00:57:51] the Nissan Leafs that we've got two of in the first round, [00:57:56] they have an MPGE rating, which is the electric equivalent of 113 miles per gallon. [00:58:04] So it's a huge difference. [00:58:07] And with a vehicle that is assigned to the fire department for the rental inspection, [00:58:17] they could plug that sucker in at night, and the next morning they start off with a full charge. [00:58:24] If we get them a parking place next to the library, [00:58:29] you could make a good argument that they're actually going to be powered by sunshine [00:58:34] because we're going to have solar up on the roof of the library in the not-too-distant future. [00:58:40] So huge, huge benefits there. [00:58:44] And personally, I'll tell you, the Leaf I've got, which is one of the first-gen, [00:58:50] is very likely the best car I've ever owned. [00:58:53] It's got more features than I would have dreamed of. [00:58:56] I will never buy another car that doesn't have a backup camera. [00:58:59] I mean, that alone is worth its weight in gold. [00:59:03] They're great, and it's a wonderful vehicle. [00:59:07] The new ones, which is what we're looking at for the city, those have an excellent reputation. [00:59:15] They're very comfortable cars. [00:59:17] I think the staff is going to be fighting each other for the keys to the Leafs once they get into the motor pool. [00:59:24] Mr. Mayor? [00:59:25] Yes, sir. [00:59:26] Just, again, on that point as to the discussion of training and maintenance at the Regional Planning Council, [00:59:35] those same folks make their rounds to all of the different agencies, [00:59:40] as well, I'll bet, that are leading the charge on the energy-efficient issue. [00:59:46] And they commented that a vehicle, and I'm going to get it wrong, has something like 1,400 moving parts, [00:59:52] and an electric vehicle has, like, three. [00:59:55] So I'm not so sure that the maintenance folks have much to say. [01:00:00] do except replace the battery if there are only a battery turning the axles if you don't [01:00:06] have the pump and all of the oil pumping through and all the other things. So, they must have [01:00:11] oversimplified it, but when it comes to maintenance, I don't think there's many parts to deal with [01:00:17] other than body work. [01:00:19] There are not. The routine maintenance, and my car is at an age I probably need to get [01:00:25] them to flush the coolant system for the traction battery, but in the 15 months I've owned the [01:00:32] car, I had to replace one TPMS monitor that went bad, and on a 2011 car, that's not surprising. [01:00:41] I had to replace the 12-volt battery, and it was sort of funny having to call AAA to [01:00:47] get a jump start on an electric car, but I was told by the guy that came that that is [01:00:52] not the first time he's had to do that, because they use the 12-volt to ramp up the electronics, [01:01:00] and until the computers and all that stuff boots up, they can't get the power out of [01:01:05] the traction battery. Once it's turned on, it actually boots. Then it uses the traction [01:01:13] battery for everything after that, and I'm going to need to go in and get the tires rotated, [01:01:23] and that's it. I mean, there are no regular oil changes. There's nothing else that is [01:01:32] routine like what you have on a regular gasoline car, and I'm sure that those, particularly [01:01:38] the police cruisers, you guys must have them on some incredibly short oil filter and oil [01:01:43] change time, because they're getting beat up just with the amount of time those engines [01:01:50] are running. Anything else? Anybody? Hearing nothing, we have a motion and a second. All [01:01:59] those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Communications and
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