Council took up second reading of Ordinance 2019-2155, eCarve LLC's conditional use at 5780 Main Street, debating operating hours and scooter safety on the Pithlachascotee.
28 items on the agenda · 22 decisions recorded
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- 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
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Pledge of Allegiance
Council recited the Pledge of Allegiance and observed a moment of silence honoring servicemen and women.
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[00:00:13] You can all stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance and remain standing for a moment of silence in honor of our servicemen and women at home and abroad.
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Moment of Silence
Procedural moment of silence and Pledge of Allegiance.
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[00:00:21] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [00:00:39] Thank you. You may be seated.
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Approval of October 15, 2019 Regular Meeting Minutes
Routine approval of the October 15, 2019 regular meeting minutes.
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[00:31:21] I'd like to ask Melissa Fahy to meet me at the podium.
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Proclamation - Home Care Month
approvedMayor Rob Marlowe read a proclamation designating November as Home Care Month in the City of New Port Richey, recognizing HPH Hospice and Chapters Health Home Care for serving Pasco County since 1986. A representative accepted the proclamation and thanked the city.
- direction:Mayor proclaimed November as Home Care Month in the City of New Port Richey. (passed)
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[00:31:42] I was wondering, oh, no. [00:31:49] We can all do with shade. [00:31:51] Whereas home care services provide high quality and compassionate health care services to more than 5 million Americans annually, [00:31:58] including my mother, especially in times of community or personal health care crisis, [00:32:03] and whereas 90% of Americans want to age in place and home care is the preferred method of health care delivery among the disabled, [00:32:10] elderly, and chronically ill individuals eager to live independently in their own homes as long as they possibly can, [00:32:17] and whereas home care services allow families to stay together and provide for greater health, [00:32:22] dignity, and comfort in our communities, [00:32:24] and whereas these dedicated home professionals and volunteers form a support network that continues to play a vital role in the [00:32:31] health care delivery for our nation's disabled and firm and aging population, [00:32:37] and whereas HPH Hospice, an affiliate of Charter Health, [00:32:40] has been providing home health and hospice services to residents of Pasco County since 1986, [00:32:47] and whereas the City of New Port Richey deems it proper to recognize the value of these everyday heroes who provide vital services to our [00:32:53] residents on a daily basis, now, therefore, I, Rob Marlowe, Mayor of the City of New Port Richey, [00:32:58] do hereby proclaim the month of November as Home Care Month in the City of New Port Richey [00:33:02] and encourage all residents to learn more about the home care and hospice concepts of care for the elderly, disabled, and infirm. [00:33:10] Thank you. [00:33:11] Elaine. Elaine. [00:33:12] Can you be all here? [00:33:18] Melissa Faye's got a phone, I think. [00:33:20] Would Jane like to say anything? [00:33:23] What I'd like to say is that HPH Hospice Incorporated, [00:33:28] which includes HPH Hospice and Chapters Health Home Care, which is a new name for HPH Home Health, [00:33:35] we are incredibly proud to serve this community and have enjoyed doing so since the mid-'80s [00:33:41] and look forward to a very long and mutually beneficial relationship. [00:33:48] I think that as our community ages and we find ways to allow people to stay comfortably and safely in their homes, [00:33:55] it benefits not only the family and our patients, but it also benefits the community as a whole, [00:34:00] and we appreciate the support of the city very much. [00:34:04] Thank you very much. [00:34:05] Thank you. [00:34:08] Next. [00:34:15] The next proclamation I've got is for World Pancreatic Cancer Day. [00:34:19] Did we have anybody here that was going to be accepting that? [00:34:23] Didn't think so, but you thought I'd ask just in case. [00:34:26] So we'll read it by title, World Pancreatic Cancer Day in the City of New Port Richey, November 16th. [00:34:34] And I will pass that to the clerk. [00:34:38] We also have proclaimed the month of November as Alpha-1 Awareness Month. [00:34:46] That's for antitrypsin deficiency, which is one of the ones I had never heard of before, [00:34:52] but it's a hereditary disorder. [00:34:55] So we'll pass that one along. [00:34:58] And I'm very pleased to announce that on November the 13th, [00:35:07] I will be going to one of our local nursing homes to give this proclamation in person [00:35:14] to Cosmo Gus DePito, who was born on November 13th, 1919, [00:35:21] and he will be 100 years old next week. [00:35:23] So I'm very excited about that. [00:35:26] Keep that one for me, please. [00:35:31] Next item is FOXPOP. [00:35:33] This is for any item that is either not on tonight's agenda or that is on the consent agenda. [00:35:41] And if you could sign in, please. [00:35:47] Good evening. [00:35:48] Pastor Victor McCluskey from KJV Baptist Church. [00:35:50] This is Psalm 2 of the Holy Bible. [00:35:54] Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? [00:35:57] The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together [00:36:01] against the Lord and against his anointed. [00:36:05] They said, Let us break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us.
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Proclamation - World Pancreatic Cancer Day
Agenda item listed as a Proclamation for World Pancreatic Cancer Day. The transcript provided does not contain proclamation content; only unrelated scriptural reading text was captured.
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[00:36:09] He that setteth in the heavens shall laugh. [00:36:11] The Lord shall have them in derision. [00:36:13] Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath and vex them in his sore displeasure. [00:36:18] Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. [00:36:21] I will declare the decree. [00:36:23] The Lord has said unto me, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
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Proclamation - Alpha-1 Awareness Month (By Title Only)
Proclamation recognizing Alpha-1 Awareness Month, read by title only.
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[00:36:26] Ask of me and I shall give thee the heathen for thy inheritance [00:36:30] and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. [00:36:33] Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron. [00:36:35] Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. [00:36:38] Be wise now, therefore, O ye kings. [00:36:40] Be instructed, ye judges of the earth. [00:36:43] Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.
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Proclamation - Cosimo "Gus" DePietto 100th Birthday (By Title Only)
Proclamation recognizing Cosimo "Gus" DePietto's 100th birthday was listed by title only. No substantive discussion appears in the provided transcript excerpt.
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[00:36:46] Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you perish from the way [00:36:50] when his wrath is kindled but a little. [00:36:52] Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. [00:36:55] Psalm 2 of the Holy Bible. [00:36:58] Thank you. [00:37:00] Next. [00:37:03] Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council. [00:37:05] I'm Wally Blaine with Tyndall Oliver, [00:37:07] Tinnia Gorman with the Metropolitan Planning Organization. [00:37:10] Your Councilman Starkey serves on the Metropolitan Planning Organization Board,
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- 9Vox Pop for Items Not Listed on the Agenda or Listed on Consent Agenda▶ 37:13
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Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes - September 2019
approvedon consentProcedural acceptance of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board minutes from September 2019.
- vote:Accept the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board minutes from September 2019. (passed)
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[00:43:22] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:43:24] Aye. [00:43:25] Opposed, like sign. [00:43:26] Motion passes. [00:43:27] Next is public reading of ordinances.
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Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes - September 2019
approvedon consentCouncil acknowledged the Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes from September 2019 as part of the consent or routine minutes acceptance.
- vote:Motion to accept the Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes from September 2019. (passed)
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[00:43:22] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:43:24] Aye. [00:43:25] Opposed, like sign. [00:43:26] Motion passes. [00:43:27] Next is public reading of ordinances.
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Police Pension Board Minutes - August 2019
approvedon consentCouncil acknowledged the Police Pension Board minutes from August 2019 as part of the consent or informational items.
- vote:Motion regarding the Police Pension Board minutes passed by voice vote. (passed)
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[00:43:22] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:43:24] Aye. [00:43:25] Opposed, like sign. [00:43:26] Motion passes. [00:43:27] Next is public reading of ordinances.
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Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval
approvedon consentProcedural vote concluding a prior motion; no substantive content for this item.
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[00:43:22] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:43:24] Aye. [00:43:25] Opposed, like sign. [00:43:26] Motion passes. [00:43:27] Next is public reading of ordinances.
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Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2155 Conditional Use 5780 Main Street for eCarve, LLC
discussedCouncil considered second reading of Ordinance No. 2019-2155, granting a conditional use permit to eCarve, LLC for a scooter and one-wheel vehicle sales/rental retail store at 5780 Main Street. After extensive discussion about operating hours, safety, insurance, and use of the Verizon parking lot for training, the item was discussed with concerns raised by Mayor Bob Smallwood (referenced as citizen here) and Councilman Murphy; the transcript was truncated before a final vote was recorded.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2155
- direction:Council discussed amending the operating-hours condition from a half-hour after sunset to potentially 8 or 9 p.m., and consideration of restricting scooter operating areas downtown. (none)
5502 Kentucky Avenue5780 Main Street7325 Cypress and Old DriveChristina'sVerizonWright's NutritioneCarve, LLCAndy BryantBob SmallwoodDoug AddisonMs. MannMurphyOffitScott CarboneStarsky$1,000,000 general liability insurance requirementConditional Use PermitDRC (Development Review Committee)Land Development Review BoardOrdinance No. 2019-2155St. Pete pilot program (10 p.m. cutoff reference)Use agreement for Verizon parking lot▶ Jump to 43:31 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[00:43:31] Second reading ordinance 2019-2155. [00:43:35] Ordinance number 2019-2155, [00:43:38] an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:43:40] providing for approval of a conditional use for a scooter [00:43:43] and one-wheel vehicle sales retail store in the downtown zoning district for [00:43:48] the property located at 5780 Main Street as legally described herein, [00:43:53] providing for any necessary conditions on said use and providing for an [00:43:56] effective date. [00:43:58] Yes, ma'am. [00:43:59] Yes, sir. [00:44:00] Mr. Mayor, members of the council, [00:44:01] at your meeting on October 1st, 2019, [00:44:05] an application for a conditional use permit related to this property was read [00:44:11] before you, and in large part, [00:44:15] it sounded as if there was a general consensus among you that this would be [00:44:20] something that could be of interest. [00:44:23] There were several conditions set forth at that time, [00:44:27] which have been incorporated in the form of an ordinance, [00:44:30] which is in your packet currently. [00:44:33] The reason that this matter is before you is because the DRC and the Land [00:44:42] Development Review Board did not view it the same, [00:44:46] and you have the authority, by nature of your position on the council, [00:44:51] to determine if a conditional use permit should be established, [00:44:57] if it can be determined that it can be established. [00:45:00] contributes to the revitalization of the city, that it's not incompatible with the district's character, and [00:45:07] additionally, that it is compatible with other uses that are allowable by right in the zoning classification. [00:45:15] The conditions [00:45:18] attached to this application for the permit is that the operator not [00:45:25] operate a half an hour after sunset, [00:45:28] that [00:45:30] people under the age of 18 [00:45:34] only ride with adults at all times, that no test drives [00:45:40] be conducted on Main Street. [00:45:44] It also, as part of the discussion that took place at your October 1st meeting, you asked for a couple of things. You asked for [00:45:51] a [00:45:52] set of rules and [00:45:55] responsibilities that would be passed out to users of the [00:45:59] scooters and [00:46:02] one-wheel electric skateboards. You also asked for a copy of their liability policy. [00:46:09] In reading [00:46:11] their [00:46:13] rules and responsibilities, it became apparent to me that they plan to use, at least in part, [00:46:19] the Verizon parking lot to accommodate some of their testing and training. [00:46:24] And so, in that respect, in addition to the conditions set forth in the ordinance, I [00:46:31] asked the city attorney to include the fact that a use agreement related to that space would need to be put in place and [00:46:38] that a general liability insurance, naming the city as additionally insured in the amount of $1,000,000, [00:46:46] would need to be advanced to secure that use of public space. [00:46:51] With that being said, [00:46:53] the recommendation is for you to consider the proposed ordinance related to the conditional use permit. [00:47:01] Thank you. I'll open it up for public comment. [00:47:09] Bob, if you're going to speak, come on down to the front row. [00:47:23] While we're signing up, I might also indicate that we received a quote for liability insurance rather than an actual policy. [00:47:38] Hey, Andy Bryant, 5502 Kentucky Avenue. [00:47:46] We're going to go ahead and open it up for public comment. [00:47:53] I wanted to talk about the electric scooters being a good answer to the parking issues, particularly on the [00:48:01] events, the occasions that go on downtown. [00:48:06] There's an idea to set up a spot to rent the scooters and stuff on the outskirts, on some parking lots outside of the town, [00:48:14] and people can rent them to come into the town for events and the concerts and stuff that come on, [00:48:19] and opening up more parking for disabled people and stuff like that, [00:48:25] anybody who would want to park, who wouldn't want to ride the scooters. [00:48:29] An issue with that would be the time limit that we're asking, because a lot of these events, [00:48:35] they go on into the evening after sunset, and I could see myself and my family wanting to go to these events, [00:48:42] rent the scooters, go to the events, and not be constrained by a time limit such as a half hour after sunset. [00:49:01] Doug Addison, 7325 Cypress and Old Drive. [00:49:05] Just want to say I've been coming down here on the scooters, and I've been having a great time. [00:49:10] They're a lot of fun. You get to see the town. [00:49:13] When you're down here, you're spending money. [00:49:16] I bring my daughter down here. We drive around the lake, drive around Sims Park, ride them around Sims Park. [00:49:23] We just have a blast. That's all I want to say. [00:49:26] It's a great way to get families down here where they're actually going around, seeing the town, and spending money. [00:49:32] Thank you. [00:49:33] That's all I got. [00:49:40] Bob Smallwood, me in court. [00:49:43] Just want to let you know, I like the idea of the scooters. [00:49:46] I'm glad we're catching on and putting some rules in place and taking a look at safety up front. [00:49:51] The only thing I can understand the previous gentleman's concern is this time of year, it's dark so early. [00:49:57] If you're taking a scooter out for dinner, it's going to be dark by the time you're done with dinner. [00:50:02] You may have to have a little flexibility on that. [00:50:05] My question is, how is this going to affect... [00:50:07] The scooters and electric bikes are going to become... [00:50:10] They're becoming more and more popular. [00:50:11] The price point's coming down on them. [00:50:13] The availability's becoming more. [00:50:15] Is this ordinance just going to affect just the rental, or is it going to affect anybody in public that brings their scooter or their electric bike, [00:50:21] excuse me, their bikes downtown? [00:50:23] Just my general question. [00:50:24] Thank you. [00:50:29] Scott Carbone, owner of E-Carb LLC. [00:50:32] How is everyone doing tonight? [00:50:34] So, yeah, I heard Ms. Mann read the ordinance. [00:50:38] The few concerns I do have is the time frame. [00:50:41] I know when we were here in October, I didn't think about even mentioning that. [00:50:47] I had some time to think. [00:50:49] It gets dark at 5.30. [00:50:51] With this discussion, if we can try to come with maybe 10 o'clock, would be great. [00:50:59] I know they do it in St. Pete at 11 o'clock. [00:51:01] I'm open for any discussion regarding the time frame, any other concerns you guys have. [00:51:08] I'm here to answer them. [00:51:10] Okay, thank you. [00:51:16] We normally wait until everyone speaks, and then we... [00:51:23] We'll have you come back up if we have questions for you. [00:51:26] And real quick, just one other thing when it comes to the scooters that he's looking at doing. [00:51:31] It's not a scooter dump like a bunch of the cities in St. Pete and Tampa have done [00:51:36] where companies come in and dump two, three, four, 500 scooters around the city, [00:51:41] and people take them home. [00:51:43] They may bring them back. They may not. [00:51:45] All these scooters leave from one place, and they come back to the same place. [00:51:48] Everything's monitored. Everything's followed. [00:51:50] So, it's not like some random Joe Schmo comes in. [00:51:53] He finds a scooter lane on the side. [00:51:55] He downloads the app. [00:51:57] He gets the scooter for three or four hours, and he leaves it when he's done with it. [00:51:59] It's not that way. [00:52:01] Everything that he has leaves from the same spot, comes back to the same spot. [00:52:05] So, we have an idea, and we can track everything that's going on with these scooters. [00:52:09] You know, it's not like just some kid who just wants to get one to ride around town. [00:52:13] His parents are renting for him. [00:52:15] It's an adult that wants to experience the city. [00:52:17] So, just keep that in mind, like kind of moving forward, [00:52:21] that it's just not anyone who's going to be taking these out on the streets. [00:52:24] Thank you. [00:52:26] Thank you. [00:52:27] Anyone else? [00:52:29] I'm seeing no one else coming forward. [00:52:31] Deputy Mayor, you want to kick it off? [00:52:33] Well, I was just in downtown Tampa. [00:52:35] My kids are in the 5K, and I like the term you used, scooter dump, [00:52:37] because it did look dumpy to me. [00:52:39] I mean, there were just scooters just left wherever, [00:52:41] and I understand we're not doing that. [00:52:43] So, to address Mr. Smallwood's question, [00:52:45] this ordinance is pertaining only to the rentals, correct? [00:52:48] It's pertaining to this particular business. [00:52:50] To this business. [00:52:52] Right, who's renting. Right. [00:52:54] How much does a scooter cost? [00:52:55] And sales. [00:52:57] I have two different scooters. [00:52:59] The ones for sale are $350. [00:53:01] So, you said and sales. [00:53:03] So, if I buy a bike, [00:53:05] I'm allowed to ride my bike in the city at nighttime. [00:53:07] I would assume if I buy a scooter, [00:53:09] I would be able to do so as well under this ordinance, correct? [00:53:11] If I buy, not rent. [00:53:13] We actually aren't advancing any safety regulations [00:53:15] as a part of this ordinance, [00:53:17] only a special use permit, [00:53:19] which would permit the sale and rental of. [00:53:23] Right, so my question, once again, [00:53:25] if I buy a scooter and I want to ride it [00:53:27] through Sims Park at 9 o'clock at night, [00:53:29] if we pass this ordinance as is, [00:53:31] am I allowed to do so? [00:53:33] Yes. [00:53:35] Yes, the sunset provision [00:53:37] only applies to the rentals and the tours conducted. [00:53:40] So, if someone owns a scooter, [00:53:42] they can do anything they want with it [00:53:44] unless you adopt a regulation [00:53:46] limiting where scooters can ride [00:53:49] and where they're allowed. [00:53:51] So, yes. [00:53:53] So, as you found out last meeting, [00:53:55] we're not trying to put all these restrictions on you, [00:53:58] but there are concerns with residents [00:54:00] regarding scooters and sidewalks at nighttime, [00:54:02] especially with people renting them [00:54:04] because they're not as experienced riding them. [00:54:06] So, I, for one, am okay using [00:54:08] the current time limit for rentals. [00:54:11] If someone wants to rent a scooter [00:54:13] four or five times and say, [00:54:15] hey, I'm going to buy one of those things, [00:54:17] it's cheaper than renting it, [00:54:19] then they can do whatever they want with it. [00:54:21] Yeah, that makes perfect sense, Commissioner, [00:54:23] but I'm not able to actually open [00:54:25] and run a business with those time constraints. [00:54:28] That leaves me Saturday afternoon [00:54:30] and Sunday afternoon only [00:54:32] because most people who work nine to five jobs, [00:54:34] they don't get home until six. [00:54:36] It gets dark at 5.30, [00:54:38] therefore, there's no business. [00:54:40] So, financially, it's not responsible for me [00:54:42] to go forward [00:54:44] if I have to have these scooters back [00:54:46] a half hour after sunset. [00:54:48] Do you see my concern? [00:54:50] I totally understand your concern, yes. [00:54:52] Right. [00:54:54] Maybe at a child, a 13-year-old child, [00:54:56] with their parents, of course, [00:54:58] riding at nighttime just concerns me a bit. [00:55:00] That's all. [00:55:02] I don't want to keep you from making money, [00:55:04] but I think this is a cool addition to our downtown. [00:55:06] It's something that, if it doesn't work, [00:55:08] and like with any ordinance that we pass, [00:55:10] if we need to amend it or adjust it [00:55:12] after the fact, we can do so. [00:55:14] So, I guess I'm willing, [00:55:16] I would like to hear what my colleagues [00:55:18] have to say regarding the time limit, [00:55:20] and then I'll hop back on to the discussion. [00:55:22] I would like to make the point, too, [00:55:24] these scooters and the electric skateboards [00:55:26] both have headlights and taillights. [00:55:28] They're well lit. [00:55:30] Right, okay. [00:55:32] Yeah, that was going to be my question. [00:55:34] What kind of reflective device, [00:55:36] or even the helmets that are worn, [00:55:38] do they have reflectors on them or anything like that? [00:55:40] Yeah, we brought a couple to show you. [00:55:42] If you don't mind, we can wheel them up here [00:55:44] and show you the scooter that we currently sell. [00:55:46] Key word, please. [00:55:53] No, don't ride in here. [00:56:01] He's a new owner. [00:56:03] He doesn't know what he's doing yet. [00:56:07] Just have a headlight. [00:56:09] Show them the back as well. [00:56:11] The city is well illuminated. [00:56:13] It really is. [00:56:17] So, you're asking for 10 o'clock? [00:56:19] That's what you would like? [00:56:20] Well, that's what I would like, [00:56:22] but I'm obviously open for anything. [00:56:24] The reason why I use 10 o'clock [00:56:26] is because the city of St. Pete, [00:56:28] who are doing a pilot program, [00:56:30] that is their stipulation [00:56:32] that the scooters will be completely done at 10 p.m. [00:56:35] Anything else, Mr. Murphy? [00:56:37] No, but as far as the helmet, [00:56:39] or anything like that, [00:56:41] is there any kind of reflective thing? [00:56:43] Yes, absolutely. [00:56:45] They will have reflectors on the front and back. [00:56:47] As you know, everyone that rents from me [00:56:48] is required and will be handed a helmet. [00:56:50] So, again, that is another step of safety [00:56:52] that we're doing at eCarb [00:56:54] that no other scooter share company is doing. [00:56:57] So, at least with us working together, [00:56:59] we'll have some accountability on our end. [00:57:03] Right. [00:57:05] I'm willing to be a little bit flexible with the time, [00:57:07] but I would say that this is kind of [00:57:09] like a test pilot thing. [00:57:11] Yeah. [00:57:13] So, you've got to make sure [00:57:15] that you're doing it right 100%. [00:57:16] Absolutely. [00:57:17] Because as fast as it starts, [00:57:19] it can be stopped. [00:57:21] I'm completely aware of that, [00:57:23] and I'm ready to take on the challenge. [00:57:25] I just want to make sure you understand [00:57:27] that this is a business use permit. [00:57:29] So, it's a conditional use. [00:57:31] Once you approve it, [00:57:33] they are allowed to conduct this business, [00:57:35] and you really can't take it away from them. [00:57:37] So, if you want conditions, [00:57:39] the time to put those conditions on is now. [00:57:41] You can certainly relax those conditions. [00:57:43] And the conditions that we've included [00:57:44] are the ones that were discussed at the first reading. [00:57:46] So, you certainly can do anything you want [00:57:48] with the conditions, [00:57:50] but I don't want you to think [00:57:52] that you can take away this man's right [00:57:54] to operate his business [00:57:56] if you decide that you don't like these scooters downtown. [00:57:58] Once you've approved it, [00:58:00] you've approved that use, [00:58:02] and he's entitled to rely on that. [00:58:04] I thought we had certain rules in place in that. [00:58:06] Well, there's conditions on this approval, [00:58:09] because this is an unusual request. [00:58:11] Right. [00:58:12] This is not an authorized use. [00:58:14] It's a conditional use. [00:58:16] In any conditional use, [00:58:18] you can place conditions on that use [00:58:20] that you think are necessary [00:58:22] to make sure that it's harmonious [00:58:24] with the surrounding area. [00:58:26] But you can't come back [00:58:28] and impose more stringent conditions later, [00:58:31] because that might impair [00:58:33] their business opportunity. [00:58:35] So, the time to set those conditions [00:58:37] is right now, [00:58:39] and you can certainly relax them later [00:58:40] if you choose to do so, [00:58:42] but you really can't make them more stringent [00:58:44] with very rare exceptions. [00:58:46] Can we change the time or not? [00:58:48] Yes, you can. [00:58:50] After it's approved, we can change the time? [00:58:52] Well, you can't really make it more restrictive. [00:58:54] You can make it less restrictive. [00:58:56] Mr. Offit. [00:58:58] So, my thinking is this. [00:59:00] Having been out and about [00:59:02] in the evening on occasion, [00:59:04] it gets a little crazy [00:59:06] as you get later into the night. [00:59:08] And so, given the conditions [00:59:10] and the comments that were made [00:59:12] and the attempt that we're making [00:59:14] to mediate and try to keep you [00:59:17] wanting to do this, [00:59:19] I'm thinking if someone has dinner [00:59:22] and they get back, [00:59:24] in my head, I'm thinking 8 o'clock, [00:59:26] something like that, [00:59:28] because it's correct. [00:59:30] People aren't getting home from work until 6. [00:59:32] They have an hour or two to do their thing. [00:59:35] But by the time 8 o'clock hits, [00:59:37] if the theater's going on, [00:59:38] they're in the theater. [00:59:40] The theater starts at 7. [00:59:42] By the time 8 o'clock hits, [00:59:44] we could ask our local law enforcement [00:59:46] or whoever's out. [00:59:48] It's starting to build [00:59:50] with the traffic downtown. [00:59:52] So, it doesn't build early in town [00:59:54] for those of you that have come out. [00:59:56] But I think by 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock, [00:59:58] that's when the traffic starts. [01:00:00] The night owls come out and that's my concern because our police department is already having to park on Grand Boulevard just to try to keep everything under control. [01:00:11] So I'm sensitive to their concerns and I think up until 8 it's really relatively open. [01:00:18] So that would be my compromise suggestion if we talked about flexibility. [01:00:23] Can I add something to that? [01:00:26] No. [01:00:27] Sorry, I'm not asking you a question. [01:00:29] Mr. Starsky. [01:00:32] Councilman, what do you think, 8, 8.30, 9, what are you thinking? [01:00:35] Yeah, I would be willing to go 8 o'clock. [01:00:39] We could start at 8 and then if you're not happy with that. [01:00:42] 9 o'clock would be. [01:00:43] 9 would be ideal for you, wouldn't it? [01:00:45] It would be good. [01:00:46] But you need support of three of us to be able to do anything. [01:00:49] I'm speaking out of turn. [01:00:50] I just want to make sure you guys are aware that I am not looking to rent to drunk people down here. [01:00:56] So I know that's a concern with the bars. [01:00:58] I'm sorry. [01:00:59] That's not my concern. [01:01:00] Oh, it's not? [01:01:01] Okay. [01:01:02] My concern is the traffic that we have in our city. [01:01:05] We've been advised by recommendations to this board not to allow this service. [01:01:11] It's been a recommendation of our staff. [01:01:14] We're stretching out here to try to have you have a chance to rent. [01:01:18] I think we're believing that we know people that have them and own them are allowed to be out there. [01:01:25] And it's been clearly expressed. [01:01:27] We just want to make sure someone who we're participating in let rent and onto our streets [01:01:32] who doesn't have that experience does that in a safe manner. [01:01:36] To me, 8 o'clock is a point when folks start coming out, and then you'll have to make a decision from there. [01:01:45] That's where I feel. [01:01:46] I don't know. [01:01:47] You guys can talk me into 9 if you want to. [01:01:51] Would you go 9? [01:01:54] Can I speak before you make this decision? [01:01:56] Yeah. [01:01:57] I have a whole different philosophy in this, and I'll start off with these are being operated on the street as well as the sidewalks. [01:02:07] When we get dark and we have these cafe situations going on the sidewalk, and how fast do these things go? [01:02:13] Ten miles an hour? [01:02:14] Yes. [01:02:15] Ten miles an hour. [01:02:16] That's the best that I can do running for 100 yards, maybe. [01:02:21] So you've got inexperienced people going down the sidewalks with these cafes. [01:02:26] I have a problem with that, number one. [01:02:28] Number two, that light on the back of that is about three inches off the ground. [01:02:33] Is it being seen by the cars when it's only this big around? [01:02:39] And in the traffic and the pulling in and the pulling out of the parallel parking, I have a problem with that. [01:02:47] I'm sorry I'm going to have to make reference to one of your employees, but on Sunday morning, 10 o'clock, one of your employees was coming down. [01:02:58] I don't have employees. [01:03:00] Well, then one of your owners. [01:03:02] Okay. [01:03:03] Somebody, because they opened the door with a key, was coming down in front of City Hall on the sidewalk on the north side of Main Street, [01:03:12] got down in front of Christina's, shot across the road there, not on the walkway, went diagonally across towards Wright's Nutrition, [01:03:23] and went down and unlocked the door in your building. [01:03:26] Never slowed down, never made any kind of stopping or any kind of looking. [01:03:30] He just thought it was clear enough and went. [01:03:33] Okay, so I have problems with that now. [01:03:35] Now, every one of you up here have children. [01:03:37] Did you ever let your child learn to ride his bicycle in your driveway when your car was there? [01:03:43] No. [01:03:44] Or you thought about it after they ran into your car, trying to learn to bicycle. [01:03:49] I don't want you to bring your business into a city parking lot when my car is parked there and the citizens in this town are parked there, [01:03:56] and I don't care what your liability is, I don't want you to run into my car. [01:04:00] So wherever you want to train these people, I don't want to train them in my constituents' parking lot, [01:04:07] especially just like I said, you all had kids. [01:04:10] You've got your kids away from your vehicles to learn them to drive. [01:04:14] And so then you've also got them, if you've got them in the parking lot, they're weaving in between cars out there, [01:04:19] and you've got people coming in and coming out of that parking lot. [01:04:22] I don't like that either. [01:04:23] I don't care how much liability you have. [01:04:25] I'm not putting that responsibility on the citizens of this town or the city. [01:04:29] So you can discuss what times and what start, but I can't see this business come into town [01:04:35] and move them around in the dark, move them around during the day when they're not obeying the rules as it is. [01:04:43] We're having little enough time with enough problems with the golf carts. [01:04:47] We're going to add this to it too. [01:04:49] I'm 100 percent against it. [01:04:51] And I would like to restrict any kind of scooters from City Hall to 19 on Main Street [01:04:59] and down to Delaware and Grand, you know, up into the park, you know, to the circle. [01:05:04] That's where my head's at. [01:05:08] Mr. Mayor, if I could just make one comment as well, [01:05:10] and I made the comment at the first reading of this ordinance, [01:05:13] that you do have the authority to restrict by state law where scooters can be operated within the city, [01:05:20] which means you can close off districts, you can close off areas after certain periods of time, [01:05:26] during certain events or circumstances, [01:05:30] and you can also require them to exclusively ride on the sidewalk [01:05:35] or exclusively ride on the street or any combination. [01:05:38] So I just want to make it clear to you that you have that authority [01:05:41] and make it clear to the applicant that if the city council in the future decides to restrict [01:05:46] where these can be operated, that may have an adverse impact on your business, [01:05:50] but you won't have any recourse because that's going to be something that would operate citywide [01:05:54] and it wouldn't be directed directly at you. [01:05:57] So I just want to make sure you know you do have that available to you [01:06:01] if you find that not only scooters from this business or anyone that just happens to own a scooter [01:06:07] becomes a liability that you want to address. [01:06:09] You certainly have that ability. [01:06:12] So what I'm hearing is it was conditional with this. [01:06:15] We can set conditions, we can set rules, and if they break them, there's nothing we can do. [01:06:20] No. [01:06:21] If they break the rules that you establish for them, then that would violate their conditional use [01:06:25] and we can enforce those rules against them. [01:06:27] Okay. [01:06:28] Absolutely. [01:06:29] Okay. [01:06:30] You just can't add new rules or new conditions if you decide later that you think something else needs to be done. [01:06:35] But you do have that overriding, which is kind of unusual. [01:06:39] You have the authority to regulate this particular type of apparatus regardless of who's operating it [01:06:47] or where their business is located or who owns them. [01:06:52] So keep that in mind. [01:06:53] And in that regard, I need to advise you of the fact that if this conditional use permit is approved, [01:07:00] the police chief will be coming up with operational guidelines so that we've got a standard in the city [01:07:06] so that the operation is more regulated and everybody's safer. [01:07:11] Well, if it's not approved and we have them out there, that should be an issue for us to attack anyway. [01:07:22] So, I mean, there are people out there right now driving these things around. [01:07:26] They're popular. [01:07:28] They're being used. [01:07:30] They've been dispatched. [01:07:32] And I appreciate the cause for concern. [01:07:34] It hurts any of us to think of something occurring. [01:07:39] You know, I'm flexible to. [01:07:41] I think the city manager just brought up something real important. [01:07:46] I think we should table this and let the police chief figure out what kind of restrictions he may bring [01:07:51] before we give this guy authority. [01:07:54] And he turns around and says, like, that was a waste of my time. [01:07:57] You know, maybe the rules coming out of the police department, you wouldn't even want to invest another dime. [01:08:02] You know, that's my opinion. [01:08:05] That's not what's in front of us right now. [01:08:08] Well, I'm tabling it. [01:08:10] That's what I'm saying. [01:08:11] I'm not going to support the table. [01:08:12] To me, we have bicycles. [01:08:14] We have skateboards. [01:08:15] It's not a far cry to me for either of those modes of transportation. [01:08:20] We have gasoline-powered bicycles cruising up our roads, right? [01:08:23] You ride at your own risk. [01:08:24] You sign a liability waiver. [01:08:26] We might have a scooter run into a car. [01:08:28] We have bicycles run into a car. [01:08:29] My wife parked her car on the street a year and a half ago while we were doing some stuff in the garage in the driveway, [01:08:34] and the kid was riding his bike, and he knocked her mirror off. [01:08:36] You know, it happens. [01:08:38] You know, I grew up riding a bike with no helmet. [01:08:40] That was my era. [01:08:41] You know what I mean? [01:08:42] So I'm in favor of this. [01:08:43] I'm going to support it. [01:08:45] Just let's figure out a time for nighttime at 830. [01:08:47] You guys go at 830 to start with? [01:08:48] Because once we start, we can't bring it back. [01:08:50] We can start, and if no issues in a year or so, and people are like, man, I want to hang out and have a dinner at 730, [01:08:56] then we can move it to 9 possibly. [01:08:58] But I move to approve with the restriction to have them back at 830 p.m. every night of the week [01:09:05] and not to change anything else within the ordinance. [01:09:09] Is this in this ordinance? [01:09:11] Does it say that we're allowing them to train in our parking lot? [01:09:15] Do we have a motion? [01:09:16] Is there a second? [01:09:17] Second. [01:09:18] We have a second for discussion. [01:09:19] For discussion. [01:09:20] Yeah, does this ordinance say that we're allowing them to train in our parking lot? [01:09:24] No, it says that they need an indemnity agreement, and they need to provide insurance. [01:09:28] So it's up to the city manager as to whether or not they can do that. [01:09:31] They'd have to sign an appropriate agreement, and they'd have to present the insurance. [01:09:36] Mr. Baker, any? [01:09:38] Yeah, when I was in Key West, I rented a scooter you ride on, and you know what? [01:09:41] I didn't go out and go on the main road. [01:09:43] I learned on the side streets and rode it away from traffic. [01:09:47] I'm assuming someone that's not familiar with these would do the same thing rather than just jumping on Main Street. [01:09:51] I'm sure you're going to advise them, hey, if you're not used to this, let's do a little test session. [01:09:55] This is how you ride it. [01:09:56] Maybe start off on some of these roads further to the south. [01:09:59] You can go over, come up by B-Pub Radius, get off the scooter, push a button, go to Sims Park, ride it in there. [01:10:05] To me, it's just not to put down anyone. [01:10:09] We have a motion. [01:10:10] I'm speaking, though. [01:10:11] I know. [01:10:12] That's what I'm asking you about. [01:10:13] Oh, okay. [01:10:14] Sorry. [01:10:15] I thought you were telling me to shut up. [01:10:16] No, no, no. [01:10:18] Like I said, the same thing. [01:10:19] To me, it's skateboard or bicycle. [01:10:21] That's all I have. [01:10:22] I'm fine with it. [01:10:25] I think as long as you do a good job of training and safety. [01:10:29] Maybe I put too much faith in parents to watch their kids. [01:10:33] That could be my fault. [01:10:35] I definitely wouldn't say, hey, let's jump out on Main Street and go for a ride. [01:10:39] I'd be taking them somewhere else by the park or something like that. [01:10:42] In general, I think that's what probably will happen. [01:10:46] That's all. [01:10:47] Mr. Allman? [01:10:48] Yeah, I think I've said everything I can say, [01:10:50] but I just want to point out again that when we have a motion and a second, [01:10:54] it is to the board for discussion. [01:10:57] If there's a question, we ask the individual. [01:10:59] I consistently bring that up if we get into conversation. [01:11:04] It's important to me that I have the ability to debate with my colleagues [01:11:08] and to come to the final, [01:11:10] and we don't need additional folks joining into that debate. [01:11:14] Thank you.
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Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2165: Amendments to Firefighters' Pension Ordinance RE: IRC Changes
approvedSecond reading of Ordinance 2019-2165 amending the Firefighters' Pension Ordinance to reflect Internal Revenue Code changes, correct a typographical error, address recent litigation, and incorporate the new firefighter cancer presumption law covering 21 forms of cancer diagnosed after July 1, 2019. The ordinance passed on second reading.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2165
- motion:Motion to approve Ordinance 2019-2165 on second reading, amending the Firefighters' Pension Ordinance for IRC changes, typographical correction, litigation-related provisions, and firefighter cancer presumption. (passed)
Mr. AltmanMr. DavisMs. VanceArticle 3 of Chapter 17Deferred Retirement Option PlanFirefighter Retirement SystemFirefighter cancer presumptionOrdinance 2019-2165Section 17-43Section 17-50Section 17-50.17Section 17-50.2▶ Jump to 1:11:15 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:11:16] Mr. Davis, anything else? [01:11:18] No. [01:11:25] I'm going to support this, although I don't know that I'm going to ride one. [01:11:29] There is fairly clear evidence very recently that I can't walk across a parking lot without falling down, [01:11:38] so getting on a scooter may not be safe. [01:11:41] If there's no further discussion. [01:11:43] Mr. Mayor, if I could, just for the record, [01:11:45] to recite what the change is that's reflected by the motion to approve. [01:11:50] There's two sections that reference the return of the vehicles [01:11:53] and the rental of the vehicles one-half hour after sunset. [01:11:57] So now it will read, [01:11:58] all vehicles shall be returned to the business no later than 8.30 p.m., [01:12:02] and no rentals shall be made of nor tours conducted on vehicles later than 8.30 p.m. [01:12:10] I believe that was what was proposed. [01:12:13] There's no further discussion. [01:12:14] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:12:16] Aye. [01:12:17] Opposed? [01:12:18] No. [01:12:19] Motion passes 4-1. [01:12:21] Next is second reading of Ordinance 2019-2165. [01:12:26] Ordinance number 2019-2165, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, [01:12:31] providing for amendment of Article 3 of Chapter 17 of the Code of Ordinances of the City of New Port Richey [01:12:36] pertaining to the Firefighter Retirement System, [01:12:38] providing for amendment of Section 17-43 pertaining to disability, [01:12:42] providing for eligibility criteria for members no longer employed by the City, [01:12:46] providing for amendment of Subsection H of Section 17-50 pertaining to the $10,000 maximum pension, [01:12:53] providing for amendment of Section 17-50.2 pertaining to miscellaneous provisions [01:12:58] by adding Subsection J thereto, providing for missing benefit recipients, [01:13:04] providing for amendment of Subsection F of Section 17-50.17 [01:13:09] pertaining to general provisions in the Deferred Retirement Option Plan, [01:13:13] providing for repeal of Paragraph 8 thereof pertaining to a sheet of drop benefits, [01:13:18] providing for codification, providing for severability of provisions, [01:13:21] repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing an effective date. [01:13:25] Ms. Vance? [01:13:27] Yes, sir. This item was fully introduced to you at your meeting on October 15th of 2019. [01:13:34] In large part, the changes referenced by the City Attorney are prompted by changes in the Internal Revenue Code. [01:13:43] There is also a typographical error that is being corrected, [01:13:48] and a couple of the provisions relate to recent litigation, [01:13:54] the last of which is a firefighter cancer presumption, [01:13:58] which is a new law and why it is now written into the Pension Code [01:14:05] for any firefighter that receives one of 21 forms of cancer diagnosed after July 1st of 2019. [01:14:16] With that being said, we're recommending that you consider approving the ordinance at its second reading. [01:14:22] Thank you. I'll open it up for public comment. [01:14:26] Seeing no one come forward to close public comment, I'll bring it back to Council. [01:14:30] Move for approval. [01:14:32] Second. [01:14:33] To the maker? [01:14:34] Nothing. [01:14:35] To the second? [01:14:36] Nothing. [01:14:37] Mr. Altman? [01:14:38] No, sir. [01:14:39] Deputy Mayor? [01:14:40] No, sir. [01:14:41] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:14:43] Aye. [01:14:44] Opposed, like sign. [01:14:45] Motion passes.
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Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2173: Amendments to Placement of Yard Debris Ordinance
approvedCouncil adopted on second reading Ordinance 2019-2173, amending the yard debris ordinance to restrict illegal dumping, limit placement to sunrise-to-sunset, cap tree trunk diameter at eight inches, limit pile height to under six feet, and add a clause clarifying that vegetation cannot be placed on unauthorized public property such as parks. Public commenters raised concerns about pile aesthetics, pickup frequency, and overall garbage collection efficiency. Council directed staff to look into whether fines are substantial enough to deter violations.
Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2173
- motion:Motion to approve Ordinance 2019-2173 on second reading amending yard debris regulations. (passed)
6041 Florida AvenueJasper ParkAltonDavisJohn CainMannRiveraStarkeyOrdinance 2019-2173Section 10-4, Article 1, Chapter 10 of Code of Ordinances▶ Jump to 1:14:46 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:14:46] Next, second reading ordinance 2119-2173. [01:14:49] Ordinance number 2019-2173, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, [01:14:53] providing for amendment of Section 10-4 of Article 1 of Chapter 10 of the New Port Richey Code of Ordinances [01:14:58] pertaining to yard debris. [01:15:00] for clarification of provisions, providing for the prohibition of the [01:15:03] relocation of yard debris, providing for limitation on placement of yard debris [01:15:07] for collection from sunrise to sunset, providing for limitation on placement of [01:15:11] yard debris from trees having trunks larger than eight inches in diameter, [01:15:15] providing requirements for contractors, providing penalties for violation here [01:15:19] of, providing for enforcement, providing for conflicts, severability, and effective [01:15:23] date. This item was also presented to you at your meeting on October [01:15:29] 15th, 2019. Purpose of the ordinance was to restrict some of the illegal dumping [01:15:36] and lot cleaning and unlicensed contractors leaving yard debris for the [01:15:44] city staff to pick up. In that respect, the ordinance is back before you with [01:15:51] one change, as I'm aware of, and that relates to breast height for the trees [01:16:00] that are put out in public right-of-way for pickup and they cannot exceed six [01:16:09] feet in height, less than six feet. And with that, now I'm recalling there was a [01:16:19] second item brought up by Deputy Mayor Starkey related to the stacking of [01:16:24] materials in front of Jasper Park and the city attorney has opined that it is [01:16:30] appropriately taken care of in the ordinance already, so there was not a [01:16:34] change, but I wanted to affirm that that item was looked into and we're [01:16:41] recommending that you consider approval of the ordinance. Thank you. We'll open up [01:16:45] I can address that. We did add, I do believe the ordinance addresses what you [01:16:51] approved on first reading, but because you did approve it on first reading, I [01:16:54] added a clause that said nothing contained herein shall be deemed to [01:16:58] authorize the placement of vegetation or vegetative yard debris in or on any [01:17:02] public property not specifically authorized under this section, including [01:17:06] without limitation any public park, public building, or undeveloped property. [01:17:09] Just as a fail-safe, it's probably overkill. We went out for the [01:17:14] suspenders. Because you did approve it that way, I wanted to [01:17:19] incorporate that line. Thank you. Open up for public comment. [01:17:25] John Cain, 6041 Florida Avenue. I just want to understand this in my mind. Is there [01:17:33] going to be a change where we locate our yard debris or anything like that? I [01:17:40] mean right now I know I have a spot that's kind of, it's between my [01:17:46] properties on the other side of the alley actually, and many, many years ago I [01:17:51] was told to put it there because it was the most convenient way for that [01:17:55] forklift to swing and pick it up, and I just didn't know if there's a change as [01:18:02] to where you're supposed to locate it. I'm happy to hear about the eight [01:18:07] inches though because I didn't really understand that footage going up where [01:18:11] it starts, so in my mind eight inches, anything more than that would be a bit [01:18:16] much to mulch anyway. So I kind of get that. Is there any limitations as a [01:18:21] homeowner I should know about though as far as, because the way it stands now is [01:18:25] I take my stuff, put it in the wheelbarrow, and I dump it. And then [01:18:31] my neighbor takes his stuff and he dumps it. We make one pile, and as that pile [01:18:36] grows, you have to, you know, you come out a little bit. And that's the way [01:18:44] almost everybody does it. Mr. Kane, we are not proposing any changes to the [01:18:49] location of where you place your yard debris, and if you were doing something [01:18:55] that was contrary to the ordinance, we would leave you a note or something like [01:18:59] that. Okay, thank you. Anyone else? [01:19:11] I think I probably mentioned before, I'm really don't like the three piles for some of the reasons. One is, say, homeowners, I think they're very [01:19:21] unsightly, and as a realtor as well too, they are definitely not an attraction to [01:19:25] bringing clients in to see homes. And two, during hurricane season, I got a big [01:19:32] pile of projectiles there just ready to be hurled at me, because they're just not [01:19:36] picked up often enough. And to me, the city does a good job, but it's not [01:19:39] efficient enough of picking these things up on a regular basis. And I, you know, I [01:19:44] noticed a little article in the newsletter. I don't know why we're not [01:19:47] telling people to put it out with the regular trash as well too. There's a lot [01:19:51] of times people are just putting a small branch or two under these piles when [01:19:54] they could be putting it into trash for pickup. And also, we moved here about 15 [01:20:00] years ago. In the prior years out of college, I lived in several cities in the [01:20:04] Orlando area, and had some property in Volusia County, and my daughter lives in [01:20:08] Gainesville. All of those cities have yard pickup days, just like we do for [01:20:13] recycling. On Wednesdays, in the places that I've been at, they pick up [01:20:18] garbage on Tuesday. Wednesday was yard trash days, and then Thursdays was trash [01:20:24] and recycling. And I just don't know, hopefully we're looking at a bigger [01:20:28] picture of revamping how we do garbage. Because to me, we got too many trucks [01:20:33] driving up and down the street. I've got, on recycling days, I have four trucks in [01:20:37] front of my house, which doesn't make sense. You know, two picking up garbage [01:20:40] from different companies, and two for recycling. So, you know, hopefully there's [01:20:44] discussions about zoning the city, and having one carrier take care of all that [01:20:48] debris. And I'd really like to look at some models. I think I sent Ms. Mann some [01:20:53] ideas, or some of the cities that I lived in before, some of their [01:20:58] ordinances of how they take care of yard trash. So, appreciate your time. Thank you. [01:21:02] Anyone else? Seeing no one else, come forward to bring it back to Council. I'll [01:21:09] move for approval. Second. To the maker? Yes, I think, you know, the comments that we [01:21:16] heard from the public comments related to the overall garbage issue, and we've [01:21:20] had that issue, we'll talk about it, but this is about the yard debris. It is a [01:21:26] service that's expected. There's certainly the ability for us to talk [01:21:30] about how we can improve it. I'm personally in favor of putting a fee on [01:21:35] the collection of that, if somebody wants to have it picked up on a [01:21:39] timelier basis. But I think that this will stimulate an awful lot of [01:21:45] discussion about how those piles are made, and I'm sure we'll come up with [01:21:49] other ideas, but I'm going to approve this at this point, because the primary [01:21:54] purpose, as I understand it, is to stop folks from bringing loads of debris [01:22:00] into our city, and taking advantage of the fact they might mow somebody's lawn [01:22:04] and dump in three people's lawns' worth of stuff from outside the city there, or [01:22:08] not even having any business in the city and coming in, because they know that [01:22:12] they can put them in the pile. So, first step is, let's see what's our stuff. Let's [01:22:17] not have the big, huge stuff, and I think it's a good first step to move forward, [01:22:21] so I approve. I'm going to support it. To the second. Now I'm good. Deputy Mayor? I would [01:22:29] agree. Good points. Like Councilman Alton said, you know, I've seen 60-foot trees [01:22:33] chopped down by tree companies and left on a yard, and expecting it's a city job [01:22:37] to pick it up. We do have unsightly landscape debris piles [01:22:44] throughout the city. We have illegal dumping. I'm not saying that that doesn't [01:22:48] happen. We've been having discussions up here since I've been on Council on how [01:22:53] to address it, and it's a tough one because people do it when you can't see [01:22:56] it. But you brought up a good point. I mean, if there's a landscape debris pile [01:23:00] that just got picked up, and you got a couple branches, maybe break them in half [01:23:04] over your knee and throw them in the garbage can, rather than starting a new pile right [01:23:07] off the bat the next day. So, but once again, it's a start. Mr. Davis? Is there a [01:23:13] substantial enough fine to deter this? I'm sorry, I don't recall the fine [01:23:20] amount. Do you, Mr. Rivera? No. We can look into that. That's a good point, though. [01:23:25] Yeah, because I never had to talk about this for the last six years [01:23:31] because Jeff's talked about it before. You know, but I'd like to see the fine [01:23:36] substantial that it might scare them, fear them away. And I'm sure they talk among [01:23:41] themselves. No further discussion. All those in favor, please signify by saying [01:23:48] aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Motion passes. Does anybody need to take a break? We've
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Variance Application: 5913 Louisiana Avenue, Mark Wicks
approvedMark Wicks applied for a 7-foot variance to reduce the rear yard setback at 5913 Louisiana Avenue (a corner lot at Louisiana and Jefferson) from 25 feet to 18 feet. The DRC found no hardship, but the Land Development Review Board recommended approval and asked staff to study the rear yard setback rules globally. Council approved the variance and urged staff to revisit setback regulations for similar corner lots.
- motion:Motion to approve the 7-foot rear yard setback variance for 5913 Louisiana Avenue. (passed)
- direction:Council directed staff to revisit and study rear yard setback requirements for similar corner lots globally. (none)
5913 Louisiana AvenueDavisHarold McCullisMark WicksMaureen WelchMurphyDRC (Development Review Committee)Land Development Review BoardR3 residential zoningrear yard setback regulations▶ Jump to 1:23:54 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:23:54] been an hour and a half. Let's move right along then to variance [01:23:58] application 5913, Louisiana. This is a quasi-judicial hearing. Mr. Mark Wicks is [01:24:09] the applicant and he is in attendance this evening. His request is for a [01:24:14] variance, which is actually a seven-foot reduction in the rear yard setback [01:24:18] requirements, for a parcel that he owns located on the northeast corner, I think [01:24:25] it is, of Louisiana and Jefferson. And I have prepared a PowerPoint which indicates [01:24:33] the location of the subject property. I'm a little bit closer. You can see that [01:24:39] he has a pool and some other recreation amenities in the rear. The survey of the [01:24:47] property, which you can't see the detail on, indicates that the front yard [01:24:53] setback, which is the south property line, is 25.8 feet. There are 55 feet from the [01:25:00] rear property line and 10.7 from the west and 5.6 from the east sides of the [01:25:07] property. And the shed and the ground pool are located 124 square feet at the [01:25:19] rear of the property. Again, the variance request is for a seven-foot variance to [01:25:24] reduce the rear yard setback. And go to the next slide please. The property is [01:25:33] zoned R3 residential. All of the property in the area is zoned R3. These [01:25:39] sections of the code collectively require that his rear yard setback is [01:25:49] double the front yard setback. And from a perspective of variance, the DRC [01:25:58] determined that a real hardship doesn't exist. The Land Development Review Board, [01:26:03] though, viewed it differently and they really felt, and they may be onto [01:26:09] something, that the hardship is that he's got a double front yard setback in his [01:26:14] rear yard precluding his natural enjoyment of that portion of the [01:26:21] property. There are other properties in the area that have structures within [01:26:26] that rear yard setback. The Land Development Review Board, in the [01:26:34] conclusion of their discussion, asked the city staff to look at that specifically [01:26:40] as it relates to the rear yard setback so that we can reduce that in the future. [01:26:48] That is something that we will study and look at, but in this case we've got Mr. [01:26:54] Wicks who is requesting the seven-foot reduction in the rear yard and the DRC [01:27:01] and Land Development Review Board both viewing it differently. So it's your [01:27:06] determination as to whether or not this variance should be granted. [01:27:11] This is a quasi-judicial affair. I have to ask if anybody has had any ex parte [01:27:19] communications. Seeing none, I believe you're the applicant. Yes. Okay, did you [01:27:25] have anything you wanted to say? No, I think she explained it very well actually. [01:27:29] Okay, do we have any substantially affected parties that are interested in [01:27:34] commenting on this? I have two neighbors that are with me. Either of you care to say anything? [01:27:45] My name is Harold McCullis. I'm his next-door neighbor on the east side. [01:27:53] And all our properties, it seems like we're being punished because Georgia is [01:28:02] directly in our backyard. And with this setback, we cannot use our yards. [01:28:11] It's plants and that's it. I have a shop in my backyard and I love to work in my [01:28:22] shop. I'm partially retired and I was restricted on the size of the shop that [01:28:29] I could use because of that setback. So it's a hardship to me also because I [01:28:36] have to haul my power tools out on a cement slab because the shop size was [01:28:44] restricted. We just have a lot of yard that we'd like to use and we can't. [01:28:49] And by him setting his back, his pull back, it's going to give him more room [01:28:55] between the house and the pool. You come out his back door and three steps and [01:29:01] you're at the steps to the pool. It just doesn't seem really fair for [01:29:08] all our property along between Madison and Jefferson. All those properties are [01:29:17] there's seven lots there. We're all under the same conditions. Thank you. [01:29:23] Thank you. [01:29:27] My name is Maureen Welch and I'm Mr. Wick's neighbor. I'm on this, I live on [01:29:35] Louisiana and then there's beside us is the street and his house is over here [01:29:41] and I'm on the other side of Avenue. And I see nothing wrong with it. I don't have [01:29:47] any beefs about it. I think it's a great idea. Thank you. [01:29:52] Any members of the general public wish to comment on this? Seeing no one else [01:29:58] come forward, I'm going to bring it back to Council. [01:30:00] Can I ask a question? [01:30:02] Certainly, Mr. Davis. [01:30:05] When the land review development board, [01:30:07] is that the one that said was positive? [01:30:10] Yes. [01:30:10] OK. [01:30:11] Well, they were in favor of finding the barracks. [01:30:13] Yeah, OK. [01:30:13] So he's asking for seven. [01:30:15] Did they come up with any recommendation about a figure [01:30:18] that they could use down this whole side of the street, maybe 10? [01:30:21] No, they did not. [01:30:22] They asked the staff to look into it and to come up with a recommendation. [01:30:26] But they felt comfortable with the seven feet [01:30:28] that Mr. Wicks was in need of. [01:30:33] Follow a question to that. [01:30:35] If we give him the seven foot variance and we change globally the situation [01:30:39] and it was 10, then he'd get an extra three feet, if I'm correct. [01:30:43] Correct. [01:30:45] Yeah, because he's at 18, right? [01:30:47] Well, I'm not saying we would, but I mean, [01:30:50] go the other way, seven to five or whatever, making the setback less. [01:30:53] Whatever the number is that attaches to everyone else, [01:30:57] if it's favorable, kind of like we had this discussion before, [01:31:01] it could be favorable, but not more restrictive than what we're giving him. [01:31:05] Would that be the same advice from you? [01:31:08] If we say seven, and then later on, I'm sorry, sir, [01:31:12] we're not asking for your comments. [01:31:14] He's asking for a seven foot variance, which means he's only going to 18 feet. [01:31:19] So he's going from 25 down to 18. [01:31:21] Well, whatever it is, I'm just saying, if the city later [01:31:25] respond to the councilman's comments, made [01:31:28] a more liberal interpretation of that street, it would apply to him as well. [01:31:34] That was my question. [01:31:35] So that's the case. [01:31:37] There's no other question. [01:31:38] I'd move to approve the variance. [01:31:41] Second. [01:31:41] We have a motion and a second to the maker. [01:31:45] I'm afraid somebody's going to have a drink if I keep talking here, so I'm done. [01:31:49] It's too late for that, sir. [01:31:51] To the second. [01:31:53] No, I mean, this is a great example of why we have variances for issues [01:31:56] like this, because not every lot in our city is the same, [01:31:58] and there's different unique aspects that affect people differently. [01:32:03] Mr. Murphy. [01:32:04] Yeah, it just seems like a crime to have a big backyard, [01:32:07] and you can't use it for anything. [01:32:10] So it's not a good idea to me. [01:32:13] Mr. Davis. [01:32:14] No, I'm fine. [01:32:15] We had this come up just a couple months ago, a very similar situation [01:32:25] with somebody with a garage. [01:32:28] We cannot get staff to revisit these setbacks fast enough, [01:32:36] in my personal opinion. [01:32:39] These specific properties, particularly when they're sitting on a side street [01:32:47] and they've got a setback in the front yard, a setback in the backyard, [01:32:52] and a setback in the side yard, they're pretty much screwed. [01:32:57] It's just very difficult to put anything on the property, [01:33:01] and we've got to address that. [01:33:03] And we need to do it globally so that we don't keep getting these requests. [01:33:08] The pattern is indicative that it needs to be addressed, thank you. [01:33:11] It absolutely needs to be addressed. [01:33:13] So I'm going to support this one also. [01:33:16] Any further discussion? [01:33:18] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:33:21] Aye. [01:33:21] Opposed, like sign. [01:33:23] Motion passes. [01:33:24] Next, Main Street Landing Agreement, Agenda Number 3.
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Main Street Landing Agreement Addendum No. 3
approvedCouncil approved Addendum No. 3 to the Main Street Landing Agreement, extending the project completion deadline by 60 days to January 9, 2020. Council expressed that this would be the final extension granted, and discussed maintenance of the streetscaping and a compensatory storage water feature on the site.
- motion:Approve Addendum No. 3 to the Main Street Landing Agreement, extending project completion to January 9, 2020. (passed)
Bifo Brady'sSuncoast NewsTampa TimesDr. McGurnMr. AllmanMr. DavisMr. MurphyMr. RiveraMr. SummerCRA board prior approvalCompensatory storage / littoral shelfMain Street Landing Agreement Addendum No. 3▶ Jump to 1:33:25 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:33:29] The purpose of this agenda item is to extend the completion date [01:33:33] for the Main Street Landings project another 60 days, which is January 9, 2020. [01:33:40] Although the developer is enjoying great movement in terms of the work that's [01:33:49] being accomplished on the site, he has all of his sidewalks poured and in place. [01:33:55] He has passed his fire inspections. [01:33:59] The irrigation is due to be installed next week, [01:34:02] and all of the paving will be completed by Thanksgiving. [01:34:07] He has asked for the date of January 9 in case the unthinkable occurs, [01:34:13] but he's certain that this third addendum will be enough for him to complete the project. [01:34:22] All other conditions remain the same. [01:34:24] Thank you. [01:34:24] I'll open it up for public comment. [01:34:27] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [01:34:29] Move for approval. [01:34:32] Do we have a second? [01:34:35] Well, we seconded. [01:34:36] We approved this as a CRA board already, correct? [01:34:39] Yes. [01:34:40] So I'll second it, and I was already quoted in the paper. [01:34:43] Can't remember if it was the Suncoast or the Tampa Times or the Suncoast News, [01:34:46] but this is it for me. [01:34:49] If it's not done by January 9, don't look for my vote. [01:34:53] You're not going to get it. [01:34:56] Need to get this done, but done properly as well. [01:34:59] A quick question, Mr. Rivera, that streetscaping that the city paid, [01:35:03] I think when I first got on Council, about $180,000, [01:35:07] put the nice sidewalk in and the railing. [01:35:10] Is the property owner responsible for maintaining that, or are we? [01:35:15] The property owner is responsible for the maintenance. [01:35:17] I'm sure it's going to look really nice when it's done, [01:35:21] but that whole area is just covered with mildew. [01:35:24] We're talking a gentleman's opened a business there. [01:35:26] He's going to have some outdoor seating. [01:35:28] I'm assuming that they're going to pressure wash that and make it look brand new, [01:35:32] but if not, maybe we could just recommend that they do so. [01:35:34] It would be great. [01:35:35] Sure, we're in contact with them as well, [01:35:37] and we started this week doing some of the areas that we're responsible for, [01:35:42] up around the bridge where you see some of that grass. [01:35:45] But yeah, they're supposed to be pressure washed in that area. [01:35:48] That was part of the construction zone. [01:35:50] And then one more question I have. [01:35:51] When I toured the property, there was like on the northeast side, [01:35:56] facing Bifo Brady's, there's like a body of water [01:35:59] between the seawall and the retaining wall. [01:36:03] What is that? [01:36:04] Is that going to stay there? [01:36:05] It looks like a mosquito pond to me. [01:36:06] I don't even know if it's tidal fed. [01:36:08] I'd have to take a look at it. [01:36:09] I know the answer to that. [01:36:11] Is it? [01:36:11] OK. [01:36:12] I know the answer. [01:36:13] Go ahead, please. [01:36:16] Because they put fill on the site, they have a requirement [01:36:20] for accepting a certain volume of water and a compensatory storage, [01:36:27] I think is what they call it. [01:36:29] So it is a vault, and it's my understanding [01:36:31] that it's going to be planted as a littoral shelf with some kind of sea [01:36:36] grasses or whatever. [01:36:37] But it has holes in it on purpose. [01:36:39] When the tide comes up, it has to accept a certain amount of overflow [01:36:45] to compensate for some of the fill that occurred on the site. [01:36:48] Is there any way to put any kind of wood decking or anything like that? [01:36:51] Well, there is a wood decking around the other corner. [01:36:54] But over that area? [01:36:55] I think it's planned for planning, and I think that's a good answer. [01:36:59] I don't have all the answers. [01:37:00] I just know what it is. [01:37:02] It's called compensatory storage. [01:37:03] It's not retention. [01:37:05] It's detention to detain the water that would otherwise go to a different. [01:37:11] Because obviously, if the ocean rises, that could cure everything. [01:37:16] No, I'm just kidding. [01:37:17] I don't know how that has any effect. [01:37:19] It's pretty scientific for a CPA. [01:37:23] Once again, this is a second that I'm very, very excited to make, [01:37:26] but we've already approved it as a CRA board. [01:37:29] And I wish Dr. McGurn nothing but success from here on out. [01:37:36] So getting it completed, completed properly, [01:37:38] everyone's excited about having it opened up, as I'm sure you are, Mr. Summer. [01:37:44] So hopefully, we don't have to have this discussion again. [01:37:47] Mr. Davis, you had the motion? [01:37:49] Nothing more. [01:37:50] Mr. Allman, anything else? [01:37:52] Only to say I'm going to abstain from the vote and declare a conflict of interest, [01:37:56] because I have anticipation of working for the company. [01:38:01] Very good. [01:38:02] Mr. Murphy? [01:38:02] I think we've all made it pretty clear how we feel about it, so. [01:38:06] I would agree with that as well. [01:38:09] On a bright note, I did see a note on Facebook, and I think it was yesterday, [01:38:16] it may have been today, indicating that the sidewalks went in yesterday, [01:38:21] which I was very pleased to see. [01:38:23] They're striping the garage, I believe, today or tomorrow. [01:38:29] And the next day, they are supposed to be paving parking lots, [01:38:32] so they're getting really close. [01:38:35] Wish them all the best. [01:38:37] There's no further discussion. [01:38:38] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:38:41] Aye. [01:38:42] Opposed, like sign. [01:38:43] Motion passes.
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Annual Membership Drive - Recreation & Aquatic Center
approvedCouncil approved the annual membership sale for the Recreation & Aquatic Center, running Dec 15, 2019 to Jan 18, 2020 at 20% off, plus a one-day kickoff event on Dec 6 from 5-8 p.m. with 30% off. Discussion included resident discount concerns versus promotional rates offered to Central and Main Street Landings residents, and Councilmember Altman's request for a calculation of city resident contributions to county recreation taxes.
- motion:Approve the annual membership sale at 20% off (Dec 15, 2019 - Jan 18, 2020) and a one-day Dec 6 early bird event at 30% off. (passed)
Main Street LandingsPasco County Recreation DivisionRecreation Advisory BoardSports Facility Advisory GroupThe CentralAltmanBob SmallwoodDavisMs. MannMs. SmithMurphyCRA fundingChildWatch programPasco County recreation bond issuesRecreation & Aquatic Center annual membership driveresident youth scholarships▶ Jump to 1:38:44 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:38:44] Next, annual membership drive recreation and aquatic center. [01:38:48] It's the time of year that Ms. Smith advances a recommendation to you [01:38:55] to offer an annual membership sale, which takes place from December 15th, [01:39:03] 2019 to January 18th, 2020, if you determine it's appropriate to have the sale this year. [01:39:11] Though she is requesting, in addition to the membership for renewals and new memberships, [01:39:20] a one-day sale, and she can tell you about that, [01:39:25] which represents a 30% discount off the regular cost. [01:39:30] Did I? [01:39:31] Yeah. [01:39:31] Sorry. [01:39:32] You're fine. [01:39:33] You're off. [01:39:33] All right, thank you. [01:39:35] Yes, as Ms. Mann said, we do offer this sale each year on our annual memberships. [01:39:41] And this year, in addition to the sale, the dates that she had stated, [01:39:44] staff is recommending that we do a kickoff for the event, a one-day December 6th [01:39:50] from 5 to 8 p.m., where memberships would be at 30% just during that event time. [01:39:56] And this would give us, hopefully, a large crowd to come in where we can conduct tours [01:40:00] of the facility, provide food, prizes, do a meet-and-greet with our instructors [01:40:05] and staff during that time. [01:40:07] The fees that we have for our Recreation and Aquatic Center were recommended [01:40:12] by the Sports Facility Advisory Group that the city had contracted [01:40:16] with to review our fee structure. [01:40:19] The fee structure the Sports Facility Advisory Group recommended has had a positive impact [01:40:23] on our facility, resulting in an increase in 939 members from fiscal year 18-19 [01:40:33] over the prior year. [01:40:35] Also, too, I wanted to make sure council is aware that we do solicit and receive donations [01:40:40] each year. [01:40:42] And with that money, we provide annual memberships in the form of a scholarship [01:40:47] to resident youth to be able to use our facility for the year at no charge. [01:40:53] Back to the sale, for example, if a resident adult purchases an annual membership [01:40:58] during the sale, they can have their payment auto-deducted from their account. [01:41:04] And that would mean that they would only be paying $13.46 per month. [01:41:09] For their $13.46 per month, in addition to access to our facility, [01:41:15] our annual members receive free ChildWatch seven days a week. [01:41:18] There's several free fitness classes they can participate in. [01:41:22] Pickleball is free, admission to our summer pool parties are free, as well as early and [01:41:28] late access to the fitness center, all for their $13.46 per month. [01:41:33] The recommendation from staff before City Council is to approve the membership sale [01:41:37] on annual memberships at the 20% reduction in fee, as well as the one-day early bird [01:41:43] event with a 30% reduction in fee just during that event. [01:41:49] Thank you. [01:41:50] I'll open it up for public comment. [01:41:59] This is me, Bob Smallwood, and I'll make it brief because I expressed some of my concerns [01:42:03] about how the city residents, I feel, get shafted on their discounts. [01:42:06] But my suggestion is, if you're doing this one-time sale, why not make it equal to what [01:42:10] you're offering to the people in the Central, and I assume Main Street landings, where you're [01:42:15] offering them a 50% off of a discount, or off of the rate. [01:42:18] So I guess I'm proposing you, doing this one-time sale, make it 50% instead of 30%. [01:42:24] Thank you. [01:42:25] Thank you. [01:42:26] Anyone else? [01:42:27] Yes. [01:42:28] If you'll allow me, I do want to tell you that we took the suggestion seriously when [01:42:35] Mr. Smallwood suggested that it was too expensive or cost prohibitive for him and his wife to [01:42:43] belong to the Center, and Ms. Smith is working on a recommendation, which she'll be taking [01:42:50] to her Recreation Advisory Board next week to look at the fees for both residents and [01:42:57] non-residents. [01:42:59] And the component that gets forgot with regularity as it relates to the discount proposed to [01:43:07] the larger customers, both at the Central and at Main Street landings, aggregating into [01:43:18] over 160 units, is that both of those facilities are marketing our programs and our product, [01:43:26] and that's something that a resident can't offer on and of themselves. [01:43:36] Discussion? [01:43:37] Just a quick comment to that. [01:43:39] Let's not forget they're marketing our product because it's helping them market their product. [01:43:42] That's true. [01:43:43] It is true. [01:43:44] I have some discussion, but I'll make a motion to approve the request in order to get it [01:43:51] rolling. [01:43:52] Do we have a motion? [01:43:53] Do we have a second? [01:43:54] I'll second. [01:43:55] I think we have multiple seconds. [01:43:56] Okay. [01:43:57] If you want to. [01:43:58] Okay, on the motion, first of all, the topic of the Recreation Center, I don't think it [01:44:09] can go without saying, because we do have the issue raised of the discount and how well [01:44:16] we treat our non-city residents in terms of inviting them to participate. [01:44:22] When the first recreation centers were built in Pasco County, sorry to go way back, the [01:44:31] promise from the county was that they would not include us in the county recreation tax [01:44:40] because we were producing our own rec center, which they had to acknowledge they built around [01:44:48] that. [01:44:49] We cover a large territory with our recreation center that expands beyond our city, and we [01:44:54] are a donor to the recreation process of our county. [01:44:59] The county has a great... [01:45:00] Recreation facilities, we paid the bond issues because of a mistake on the ballot, that was [01:45:09] an admitted mistake by the county that they forgot to take us off the ballot for the bond [01:45:14] issue. [01:45:15] So we paid off that last bond issue for recreation facilities countywide. [01:45:19] We didn't even get close in this last one. [01:45:22] We are paying for bond issues for improvements to facilities countywide. [01:45:29] I would like for us to see if we could get somebody to make a quick and dirty calculation [01:45:34] of how much money our city residents have paid to the county recreation division because [01:45:40] I understand that there is some criticism of us building the recreation center and questioning [01:45:46] whether or not we used the funds that partially came from the county through the CRA. [01:45:53] And so I just get mattered and horned every time because I was part of that initial county [01:45:59] city agreement that was ignored and we continue to try to be good partners and it just seems [01:46:08] to me that it's really not appropriate for county officials to think of us as taking [01:46:19] advantage of them. [01:46:20] I would love to throw that number out. [01:46:22] I know we know our tax assessment role. [01:46:24] I know we know what those rates were and if we went back and counted them times 15 years [01:46:30] and what we've just now been set up to pay from our city taxes, I think that would be [01:46:36] an eye opener to those who think that we're taking advantage of the county. [01:46:40] Thank you. [01:46:41] Mr. Murphy, you were the first second. [01:46:44] Yeah, like the Central and Main Street Landing, those promotional things, those are just for [01:46:51] one year, correct? [01:46:52] Correct. [01:46:53] So after that, if they stay a resident, then they are in the resident rate after that. [01:46:58] So it's just a one-year promotional thing. [01:47:00] I mean, I'd like to see the residents get, you know, maybe a better rate or something [01:47:05] like that. [01:47:06] But I don't know if there's something we can do long-term instead of yearly for them. [01:47:12] You know, you sign up for five years, you get another discount maybe, something like [01:47:16] that. [01:47:18] Mr. Davis, you were the second second. [01:47:24] I don't really see the Main Street Landings and Central storm in the, you know, rec center [01:47:31] because of first, last, and move-in fees and, you know, furniture and, you know, everything [01:47:37] is going to be pretty busy. [01:47:39] So I don't think we're really, you know, laying a big dollar out there to give them a discount. [01:47:45] What was the date again on the one-day sale? [01:47:48] December the 6th. [01:47:49] Yeah. [01:47:50] So, and that's kind of tough, you know, I mean, I know you're buying yourself a Christmas [01:47:54] present, but I'd like to see them come on the 6th, but, you know, do our current members [01:48:01] get a notification of this? [01:48:02] Yes. [01:48:03] In fact, we've already had them asking. [01:48:06] Most of our annual memberships do expire in the month of December and some in January. [01:48:12] No, I meant about the 6th. [01:48:14] Oh, we haven't advertised it at all yet until we receive approval. [01:48:17] Okay. [01:48:18] All right. [01:48:19] Deputy Mayor? [01:48:20] I hear what you're saying, Councilman Altman. [01:48:22] That would be an interesting number to give him a roundabout, but I'll discuss this more [01:48:28] at the CRA meeting unless it's too late, but in my opinion, we're not going to get any [01:48:33] love from the county on any of our CRA investments as long as every inch of our city limits are [01:48:40] eligible for CRA funding and classified as slum and blighted. [01:48:44] That's not going to happen. [01:48:45] Understood. [01:48:46] And I'll save my comments on CRA until we get to CRA, so.
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Automatic Aid Agreement with the City of Port Richey
approvedCouncil approved an Automatic Aid Agreement with the City of New Port Richey for automatic dispatch of one fire vehicle to reported structure fires in each jurisdiction. The Fire Chief explained this would improve the city's ISO rating (which requires three frontline engines on first alarm and recognizes automatic aid but not mutual aid) and that New Port Richey was chosen because both are small cities with similarly low structure fire volumes.
- motion:Motion to approve the Automatic Aid Agreement with the City of New Port Richey for fire suppression response to structure fires. (passed)
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[01:48:53] Any further discussion? [01:48:54] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:48:58] Aye. [01:48:59] Opposed? [01:49:00] Like sign. [01:49:01] Motion passes. [01:49:02] Next, Automatic Aid Agreement, City of Port Richmond. [01:49:05] The purpose of this agenda item is to enter into a mutual aid agreement for automatic [01:49:13] response of fire suppression with the City of New Port Richey. [01:49:21] The specific commitment is that we will dispatch one fire vehicle to any of their reported [01:49:28] structure fires within their jurisdiction. [01:49:31] They will do the same for us. [01:49:33] The largest benefit of which is an increase in our ISO rating. [01:49:38] And Chief, are there any other facts that we need to bring to the Council's attention [01:49:43] at this time? [01:49:46] So the purpose of the Automatic Aid Agreement is to provide one additional fire suppression [01:49:53] vehicle to all reported structure fires, not every incident, just structure fires. [01:49:59] This will increase firefighter safety on the fire ground, public safety, as well as [01:50:06] the ISO requirement for a city of our size is that we have three frontline engines on [01:50:12] the first alarm response. [01:50:14] ISO recognizes an Automatic Aid Agreement. [01:50:18] To fulfill that requirement, they do not recognize a Mutual Aid Agreement. [01:50:24] So you may ask, why are we looking with New Port Richey? [01:50:28] We've had discussions at the quarterly Chiefs' Meetings, and the reason with New Port Richey [01:50:34] is we're both small cities. [01:50:37] We both have very limited amount of structure fires, less than 10% of our calls, and the [01:50:45] agreement is reciprocated. [01:50:47] So if we would have an Automatic Aid Agreement, let's say for structure fires with Pasco County, [01:50:53] they make a lot more structure fires, we would deplete our city services and manning [01:51:00] for our city residents, and I'm not in favor of doing that. [01:51:03] We currently have a Mutual Aid Agreement with Pasco County, which works very well. [01:51:09] So that's the additional thing that I have to say is this Automatic Aid Agreement went [01:51:16] before the City Council of New Port Richey at the October 8th regular City Council meeting [01:51:24] and was voted to approve, and staff recommends approval. [01:51:29] Thank you. [01:51:30] I'll open it up for public comment. [01:51:32] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [01:51:34] Move for approval. [01:51:35] Second. [01:51:36] To the Maker. [01:51:37] I'm good. [01:51:38] Second. [01:51:39] Nothing. [01:51:40] Deputy Mayor. [01:51:41] Nothing. [01:51:42] Councilman. [01:51:43] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:51:46] Aye. [01:51:47] Opposed, like sign. [01:51:48] Motion passes. [01:51:49] Next, Rejection of Bid Award, ITB 20-002.
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Rejection of Bid and Project Award – ITB20-002 2019 Fuel Pump Canopy Replacement Project
approvedCouncil rejected the sole bid of $197,000 from Sarlo South LLC for the 2019 Fuel Pump Canopy Replacement Project (ITB20-002), as the amount far exceeded estimates. Staff recommended re-bidding it together with the 2019 Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse project.
- motion:Motion to reject the sole bid from Sarlo South LLC and re-bid the canopy replacement together with the 2019 Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse project. (passed)
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[01:51:54] The bid is for a canopy replacement for our fuel pump station. [01:52:01] The bid amount, and it was the sole bid, was received in the amount of $197,000 from Sarlo [01:52:07] South LLC. [01:52:10] That amount was far in excess of our estimates for the project. [01:52:15] As a result, Mr. Rivera and his team have looked at this and determined that there may [01:52:22] be benefit in lumping this project along with our 2019 Fleet and Utility Purchasing Warehouse [01:52:33] project. [01:52:34] The recommendation then is to reject the bid and let us re-bid it when we re-bid the project [01:52:43] for the construction and of the equipment storage improvement facility. [01:52:50] We're going to open it up for public comment. [01:52:54] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [01:52:57] Move for approval. [01:52:58] Second. [01:52:59] To the Maker. [01:53:00] Nothing. [01:53:01] Second. [01:53:02] Nothing. [01:53:03] Councilman Murphy. [01:53:04] Nothing. [01:53:05] Good. [01:53:06] Deputy Mayor. [01:53:07] I'm good as well. [01:53:08] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:53:09] Aye. [01:53:10] Opposed, like sign. [01:53:11] Motion passes. [01:53:12] We will now move on to 2017-2018 Street Improvement Project Change Order Number 1.
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You arrived here from a search for “Rio Drive from Tennessee to Illinois” — transcript expanded below
2017/2018 Street Improvement Project – Change Order No. 1
approvedCouncil approved Change Order No. 1 with Ajax Paving Industries of Florida, LLC in the amount of $1,623,513.61 to expedite the next street paving cycle while the contractor is in town, keeping existing contract pricing. The change order covers numerous residential and collector streets including Main Street, Palmetto Road, and many others.
- motion:Approve Change Order No. 1 with Ajax Paving Industries of Florida, LLC in the amount of $1,623,513.61 for the 2017/2018 Street Improvement Project. (passed)
Golf Drive west of 19Kentucky Avenue, just west of River RoadLincoln Street from Missouri Avenue to Montana AvenueMain Street, US 19 to Old Main StreetMeadow Lane Street from Aspen to George StreetOak Ridge Avenue from Grand Boulevard to LafayettePalmetto Road, west of 19Queens LaneRio Drive from Tennessee to IllinoisRiverview Drive from Oak Ridge to approximately 145 feetRiverview Drive west to Grand BoulevardVermont Avenue, just west of River RoadAjax Paving Industries of Florida, LLCCouncilman DavisMs. MurphyMs. VanceRobert Rivera2017/2018 Street Improvement ProjectChange Order No. 1Pavement management plan cycle 4▶ Jump to 1:53:16 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[01:53:16] Mr. Rivera has prepared a PowerPoint presentation for you to consider this change order. [01:53:25] Thank you, Ms. Vance. [01:53:28] The request for you is to review and consider for approval the change order number 1 in [01:53:33] the amount of $1,623,513.61 from Ajax Paving Industries of Florida, LLC. [01:53:45] This item was brought up at a suggestion from Councilman Davis and got support from the [01:53:53] rest of the council members for us to take a look and see if we could expedite the next [01:54:00] project while the current contractor, Ajax, was in town. [01:54:04] We did go into discussion with them. [01:54:07] They did agree to keep the same terms and conditions and pricings as the existing contract, [01:54:14] and so we were able to go ahead and bring this before you. [01:54:18] Not only will it expedite the timeline, but it will also probably save us in costs as [01:54:24] far as not having to pay for consulting bidding services, as well as the asphalt. [01:54:32] This type of project is what we would call energy-based, and as we know, inflation with [01:54:37] these types of projects go up all the time. [01:54:39] So with the contractor agreeing on this to keep the pricing the same, we feel like we [01:54:44] saved money there as well. [01:54:46] Robert, wasn't there the full base reclamation? [01:54:49] That and an additional $9 a square yard, that one line item? [01:54:55] Oh, I'm sorry. [01:54:56] You're correct. [01:54:57] They did go up on that one price that included what I would say the base work, but we felt [01:55:05] that that was minimal and really had no impact as far as the dollar amount that we were saving, [01:55:12] so thank you. [01:55:14] The streets that are included in this project are Palmetto Road, west of 19. [01:55:22] We've got Vermont Avenue and Kentucky Avenue just west of River Road. [01:55:30] We have Queens Lane, Main Street, US 19 to Old Main Street, and then west of 19. [01:55:43] We have Lincoln Street from Missouri Avenue to Montana Avenue, Rio Drive from Tennessee [01:55:57] to Illinois, Oak Ridge Avenue from Grand Boulevard to Lafayette. [01:56:05] We have Riverview Drive from Oak Ridge to approximately 145 feet, and then we have the [01:56:13] rest of Riverview Drive west of there to Grand Boulevard. [01:56:19] We'll complete Golf Drive west of 19, and then we will do Meadow Lane Street from Aspen [01:56:28] to George Street, and that's near the applicant insight. [01:56:33] We would recommend and request that you approve this change order. [01:56:37] Open it up for public comment. [01:56:40] Seeing no one coming forward, I'm going to bring it back to council. [01:56:44] In the interest of full disclosure, I'd like to point out that my house is on one of these [01:56:49] streets that is subject for paving. [01:56:51] I did clarify with the city attorney that because of the number of property owners that [01:56:58] are affected by this, it does not fit the definition of unusual or special benefit, [01:57:09] and therefore, I am allowed to vote on it. [01:57:12] Move approval. [01:57:13] Second. [01:57:14] To the maker. [01:57:15] Good. [01:57:16] Second. [01:57:17] Very good. [01:57:18] Deputy Mayor. [01:57:19] Go ahead. [01:57:20] I'm sorry. [01:57:21] Robert already put my name out there, so do me a favor. [01:57:30] Deputy Mayor. [01:57:31] Thank you for your presentation, Robert. [01:57:32] Ms. Murphy? [01:57:33] My house is on one of those streets also, so it's good to know I can vote on it. [01:57:42] I'm just tickled to death that we're able to, for lack of a better word, sneak this [01:57:48] in on the previous contract to save the taxpayers a whole bunch of money, so good job. [01:57:54] If I may, the staff didn't select the streets. [01:57:58] The engineer that did the pavement management plan did, so that's one of the good things. [01:58:02] This will be cycle four out of the first cycle five, and then we'll go back and re-examine [01:58:08] the next set of roads. [01:58:11] Very good. [01:58:12] Any further discussion? [01:58:14] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:58:16] Aye. [01:58:18] Any opposed? [01:58:19] Motion passes. [01:58:20] Just a quick, you went through them all, but what are, you know, we talked about golf and [01:58:24] mass the last one, what can I talk about the two main ones in this group? [01:58:29] I mean, the rest of golf, I mean, you know, like I said, in the first batch I could say [01:58:35] Madison and Congress, the second batch I could say Massachusetts and golf, what are the, [01:58:40] you know, the main one or two, I mean, more of golf, I understand that, west, but that's [01:58:45] west of 19. [01:58:47] 19, is there another? [01:58:49] Main street. [01:58:50] Main street is the big one. [01:58:52] Okay. [01:58:53] 10 roads and main street. [01:58:54] Okay. [01:58:55] These two guys, road and main street. [01:58:57] There's a whole bunch of residences that are going to get new roads. [01:59:03] Main street would then be the main one, okay. [01:59:05] I think as we go along, you're going to start seeing less of the collector roads and more [01:59:08] of the residential streets. [01:59:11] Next, I have a request to purchase a mid-sized rider sweeper for stormwater utility. [01:59:17] Mr. Rivera has submitted a request to purchase a tenant mini-sweeper. [01:59:23] The sweeper is being recommended for purchase under the terms and conditions as set forth [01:59:30] in the national IPA contract, and this contract was competitively bid out and awarded in Tucson, [01:59:38] Arizona. [01:59:39] The contract term is January 1, 15 through December 31, 2019, and you want to tell them [01:59:45] a little bit about what we're going to do with this mini-sweeper, Robert? [01:59:49] We're going to request an amount not to exceed $45,298, and this sweeper is going to allow [01:59:55] us to do daily sweeping around Sims Park.
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Request to Purchase Mid-Sized Rider Sweeper for Stormwater Utility
approvedCouncil approved the purchase of a mid-sized rider sweeper for the Stormwater Utility, to be used for cleaning around Orange Lake, the downtown area, special events like Railroad Square, and city parking lots.
- motion:Motion to approve the purchase of a mid-sized rider sweeper for the Stormwater Utility. (passed)
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[02:00:00] around Orange Lake. I know we're all aware that we have bird dropping issues around in [02:00:05] a lot of those areas, so we'll be able to utilize this with staff. We'll be able to [02:00:09] get in and assist in the downtown area. When we have special events like Railroad Square, [02:00:15] we'll be able to utilize it when the events are still being held. We'll also be able to [02:00:21] get into some of our parking lots as well. [02:00:25] Open it up for public comment. Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [02:00:30] Move for approval. [02:00:31] Second. [02:00:32] To the maker. [02:00:33] Councilman Davis was wondering if he gets to drive it. [02:00:35] I want to do that more than I want to ride an e-scooter, if you can imagine. [02:00:40] Second. [02:00:45] I'm hoping that you jumped ahead of me. [02:00:47] Sorry. [02:00:48] I'm going to hold out for when the city gets a Zamboni. [02:00:52] Looked damn near one. [02:00:54] Mr. Hallman. [02:00:57] No, sir. I'm good. [02:00:59] I'm good. [02:01:00] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:01:03] Aye. [02:01:04] Opposed, like sign. [02:01:05] Motion passes. [02:01:06] Next, request to purchase a mid-size excavator for sewer collection system. [02:01:10] Yes. [02:01:11] The recommendation advanced by Mr. Rivera is to purchase a McKinnon JCB incorporated excavator. [02:01:23] The purchase price would be $59,128.80. [02:01:30] It is being offered through an authorized dealer under the terms and conditions as established by the source well discount contract formally, [02:01:43] and also known as the National Joint Purchasing Alliance. [02:01:47] And the piece of equipment will be used to assist the sewer division with maintenance tasks. [02:01:54] If you have any further questions, Mr. Rivera is ready. [02:01:58] We have a lot of older neighborhoods. [02:02:00] Example would be Tanglewood Terrace where a lot of our utilities are in the backyards or in between the structures, [02:02:07] and you can't get the large pieces of equipment in there when you need to do your repairs, [02:02:12] and this type of equipment will allow us to do that. [02:02:16] Very good. [02:02:17] Open it up for public comment. [02:02:19] Seeing no one, come forward, bring it back to council. [02:02:21] Approval. [02:02:22] Second. [02:02:23] To the maker. [02:02:24] Let's do it. [02:02:26] To the second, Mr. Davis. [02:02:27] Parking lot, will you teach me to drive that? [02:02:32] Mr. Murphy. [02:02:33] I'm good. [02:02:34] Deputy Mayor. [02:02:35] I won't be parking on the left if you let me drive that thing. [02:02:39] I have no further discussion. [02:02:41] This is on tracks, correct? [02:02:43] Yes. [02:02:44] The back one where all your cars are. [02:02:46] Mr. Rivera, this is a tracked vehicle?
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Request to Purchase Mid-Sized Excavator for Sewer Collections Division
approvedThis transcript segment primarily covers the vote on the prior excavator item (motion passed) and then begins discussion of item 12.h's successor item regarding purchase of public works maintenance trucks. For the excavator item itself, the only content is the final vote, which passed unanimously by voice vote, with direction that the equipment be used in the field behind the public works building.
- vote:Motion to approve the purchase of the mid-sized excavator for the Sewer Collections Division. (passed)
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[02:02:50] Yes, sir. [02:02:51] I think we'll let him work out in the field behind the public works building then. [02:02:59] There's no further discussion. [02:03:00] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:03:02] Aye. [02:03:03] Opposed? [02:03:04] Like sign. [02:03:05] Motion passes. [02:03:06] Next, request to purchase public works maintenance trucks. [02:03:11] The request before you is actually to purchase six vehicles, [02:03:17] two of which are from Palmetto Ford truck sales in the amount of $147,960. [02:03:27] And it covers the purchase of two F-150 vehicles. [02:03:32] One would have a crane and one would be used by the water department, [02:03:36] one by the sewer department. [02:03:39] The bids are in conjunction with the Florida Sheriff's Association contract. [02:03:45] And the four vehicles are from Bozart Ford in the amount of $159,950. [02:03:55] There are four F-250 trucks. [02:03:59] One is for stormwater, two are for grounds maintenance, [02:04:03] and the fourth is for construction management. [02:04:07] They, too, are being brought to you under the 2019 Florida Sheriff's Association contract, [02:04:15] number FSA19VEL27.0. [02:04:20] And if you have any more specific questions in respect to this purchase, [02:04:27] Robert and I are prepared to respond to your questions. [02:04:30] Thank you. [02:04:31] I opened it up for public comment. [02:04:33] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [02:04:36] Move for approval with comment. [02:04:39] Do we have a motion? [02:04:40] Second. [02:04:41] Second to the maker. [02:04:42] Are we replacing vehicles? [02:04:45] These are not replacements. [02:04:46] These are additions. [02:04:47] The first two service trucks are directly related to the five utilities that we purchased [02:04:53] over the last couple of years. [02:04:55] And then the other trucks that we have are addition because of additional employees. [02:05:01] Thanks. [02:05:02] Is there a second? [02:05:03] I'm good. [02:05:04] Mr. Allman? [02:05:05] Only to say maybe the next time we do the budget for trucks that we might want to look for an electric one.
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Request to Purchase Public Works Maintenance Trucks
approvedThe council voted to approve the purchase of Public Works maintenance trucks. Discussion noted that electric vehicle alternatives are being considered but may not be available for another year or two.
- vote:Approve the request to purchase Public Works maintenance trucks. (passed)
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[02:05:11] We've got, like, free electricity throughout the town here. [02:05:14] We are taking that into consideration, as a matter of fact. [02:05:18] So we are looking into it. [02:05:20] Thank you. [02:05:21] For who? [02:05:22] Deputy Mayor. [02:05:23] Another year or two, they may actually be available. [02:05:28] So they're coming out. [02:05:30] No further discussion. [02:05:31] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:05:33] Aye. [02:05:34] Opposed, like sign. [02:05:35] Motion passes. [02:05:36] Next, a three-minute report from Economic Development. [02:05:39] Start the clock. [02:05:40] Thank you. [02:05:42] Okay. [02:05:43] So just kind of a look back the last few months of what's come into the city. [02:05:47] And you're probably all aware of these, but it's neat to see them together. [02:05:50] Ella's Boutique, downtown, J&H Consignment, Aphrodite's Closet, Melt, [02:05:59] as well as Bourbon on Main. [02:06:01] And what I like to see is that the majority are retailers. [02:06:05] We, of course, expect a few more food and beverage entertainment coming in in the coming months. [02:06:12] Working with the Pasco Economic Development Incubator, they have a new kind of a new staff. [02:06:18] I understand they had a lot of staff leave, and now they've got some new folks. [02:06:21] And I met with them to try to find retailers that we can help grow, startups and so forth. [02:06:28] We have a number of programs that you've approved to provide them with assistance to not only build out the space [02:06:34] and get it started, but to make it through that first critical year. [02:06:38] In the last fiscal year, we ordered a total of over $112,000 in those incentives. [02:06:45] And then for business retention, I've been working very well and very closely with Main Street, [02:06:49] New Port Richey Main Street, on retention initiatives that will get people on the street [02:06:54] and specifically in the door of the downtown shops. [02:06:57] That includes things. [02:06:58] They have the downtown map ready for print. [02:07:02] They've formed a welcome committee of new businesses. [02:07:04] We go in and reach out to the new business, introduce ourselves, and kind of hook them up with the community. [02:07:11] And then also next week, as you may have heard, the downtown wine stroll, which will be a great event [02:07:16] because it will put several hundred people right in the door, meeting the shop owners, seeing the shops, [02:07:22] and really experiencing the downtown. [02:07:25] There's a branding and marketing. [02:07:27] We have selected a branding and marketing firm, which you'll hear about later at the CRA meeting. [02:07:33] I'll recommend approval of a contract with them, and they'll get started mid-November. [02:07:38] And we expect that to be completed around March, April. [02:07:41] And then we hope by that time to have our staff marketing person on board as that process finishes out [02:07:48] and then to get started. [02:07:50] We just threw together samples of downtown logos from around the country that folks use in their marketing [02:07:57] to promote that downtown is a great place to be and to visit or to live and work. [02:08:03] And that's my report. [02:08:05] Questions? [02:08:07] I'm glad to hear you're working with Main Street. [02:08:09] Are you familiar with the business right across the street, City Hall, right on the corner, the southwest corner? [02:08:16] The CPA? [02:08:17] No. [02:08:18] No, they're an event marketer. [02:08:21] No, I have not met them. [02:08:22] Go knock on their door. [02:08:23] Okay. [02:08:25] They're like a surprise in this town, and we could probably use them. [02:08:29] They could use. [02:08:30] It's a 501-6, I think.
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Three Minute Report: Economic Development
discussedCouncil communications/three-minute reports. Deputy Mayor thanked Rock the Boat Productions for the trick-or-treat event and staff for resodding Sims Park, and suggested coordinating with police to escort the upcoming holiday golf cart ride. Mr. Allman highlighted an upcoming Tampa Bay regional resiliency forum in January and urged continued attention to alley maintenance and drainage despite environmental committee objections to paving.
- direction:Deputy Mayor to coordinate with Lisa at SIPP and the Police Department about having a police escort for the upcoming holiday golf cart ride. (none)
Sims ParkWaterfront neighborhood of Port RicheyPort Richey Police DepartmentRock the Boat ProductionsSIPPJohnLisaMr. AllmanMr. DavisAlley paving / environmental committee referralHoliday golf cart ridePervious vs. impervious sidewalks discussionTampa Bay regional resiliency forum (January, Pinellas County)▶ Jump to 2:08:35 in the videoShow transcriptHide transcript
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[02:08:36] They do events, a lot of events in, like, Orlando. [02:08:39] Okay. [02:08:41] We're now to communications. [02:08:42] Mr. Davis, would you like to kick us off here? [02:08:45] Nope. [02:08:46] Deputy Mayor? [02:08:47] Just two quick things. [02:08:48] Thank you to Rock the Boat Productions, a trick-or-treat event. [02:08:51] I was there early and left early to go trick-or-treating in the neighborhood that we do every year. [02:08:55] But it was a really, really awesome event. [02:08:58] So thank you for all your hard work, ladies. [02:09:00] It was just very well attended, and it went really, really well. [02:09:05] Thank you to staff for restarting much of Sims Park. [02:09:10] I hope it is going to be able to get rooted and turn green and all that with the events that we have going on, [02:09:18] like the wonderful event we had this past weekend. [02:09:21] I hope it didn't get too damaged. [02:09:23] And one thing I'd like to bring up, I sometimes find myself in the Waterfront neighborhood of New Port Richey. [02:09:31] I have a lot of friends that live there. [02:09:34] That's where I went for trick-or-treating after downtown. [02:09:36] We go there for Fourth of July, and the kids decorate their bikes and scooters and ride around. [02:09:41] And when they do that, one of our friends always reaches out to the city of New Port Richey Police Department. [02:09:48] They come out and actually escort the kids, put the sirens on or the lights on, [02:09:54] escort the kids through the neighborhood on their bikes and scooters. [02:09:57] And it's a huge deal for the kids, and it promotes safety as well. [02:10:02] I'm wondering if maybe with our upcoming golf cart ride for the holidays and Christmas, [02:10:08] if we might be able to have a police officer. [02:10:10] I'll get with Lisa from SIPP because she's going to put it all together, [02:10:14] but it might be a good idea because it was over 130-something carts last year. [02:10:18] So it might be, was it that many? [02:10:21] It was up there. [02:10:22] Ninety-something. [02:10:23] Ninety-something. [02:10:24] Yeah, we'll certainly want to participate. [02:10:25] Awesome. [02:10:26] Thank you. [02:10:27] That's all I have. [02:10:28] Thank you. [02:10:29] Mr. Allman. [02:10:30] A couple of things. [02:10:32] One, the discussion that we had today about pervious, impervious sidewalks [02:10:40] reminds me to continue to mention the resiliency effort of all of the consortium of cities in the Tampa Bay area [02:10:50] and that there is a forum in January, and hopefully I can get to the city manager the details of that, [02:10:57] but it's going to be held in Pinellas County with some big speakers from around, [02:11:05] and city councils are being encouraged to attend. [02:11:09] So it's a one- or two-day event, and I think it's worth looking at. [02:11:17] I did do some checking on what was going on with the alley discussion we had [02:11:22] because it had been sent back to the environmental committee. [02:11:25] John, who was here earlier, told me how that meeting went [02:11:30] and that the primary objection was paving the alleys. [02:11:35] So hopefully that we can embrace the concept of incorporating resiliency [02:11:43] and dealing with our drainage and flood. [02:11:45] It's been brought up a few times today in everything we do, [02:11:49] but I don't see the argument of pavement to argue against us [02:11:54] not addressing and maintaining the assets that we have. [02:11:58] Every consultant has told us the bones of our city, the alleys, are an important feature. [02:12:03] We continue to have discussions up here, and I hope we will do more. [02:12:08] Golf carts, I've joined the ranks of the golf cart community here
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