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1. 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
2. 2

   Pledge of Allegiance

   The Pledge of Allegiance was recited followed by a moment of silence honoring servicemen and women.

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   [00:00:18] I'd like to ask you to all stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance [00:00:21] and remain standing for a moment of silence [00:00:23] in honor of our servicemen and women at home and abroad. [00:00:26] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America [00:00:31] and to the republic for which it stands, [00:00:33] one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [00:00:39] Thank you.

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   Moment of Silence

   Brief moment of silence observed as part of the meeting's opening procedures.

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   [00:00:39] Thank you. [00:00:45] Thank you. You may be seated.

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4. 4

   Approval of September 17, 2019 Regular Meeting Minutes

   approved

   Council approved the minutes from the September 17, 2019 regular meeting without discussion.

   • motion:Motion to approve the September 17, 2019 regular meeting minutes. (passed)

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   [00:00:50] Next item on the agenda is the approval of the September 17th regular meeting minutes. [00:00:54] Move for approval. [00:00:55] Any discussion? Hearing none. [00:00:57] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:00:59] Aye. [00:01:00] Opposed, like sign. [00:01:02] Motion passes.

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5. 5

   Recognition of 2019 Sworn Officers

   The Police Chief introduced and the City Council formally recognized officers sworn in during the 2019 calendar year, thanking them and their families for their service. The recognition was ceremonial with no action taken.

   👤Al Hazimi👤Brian 'Kai' Gardner👤Brian Hesse👤David Crowell👤Elizabeth Chemis👤Marissa Moe👤Matthew Patch👤Michael Toldo👤Todd Gee👤Tom Kinsella👤Tyler Jones#2019 Sworn Officers Recognition

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   [00:01:03] Next is recognition of 2019 sworn officers. [00:01:07] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council. [00:01:09] The purpose of this agenda item is to advance before you the officers [00:01:15] that have been sworn in during the 2019 calendar year. [00:01:21] We have not had an opportunity to formally welcome them [00:01:25] or to thank the members of their family for allowing them to serve along with us. [00:01:30] I will be asking the Chief to step forward and introduce each of the officers by name [00:01:38] because I have not committed them all to memory yet. [00:01:41] So, Chief, if you could help me out. [00:01:43] I will. [00:01:44] Thank you. [00:01:48] There are actually not just the officers that are the, I'm just going to say, [00:01:53] the new hires through 2019, but some of the more veteran officers from before are also here. [00:02:01] A few of these officers come from very broad law enforcement families [00:02:07] where both the mom and the dad have been police officers. [00:02:13] Then there's at least one that has two or three relatives that are police officers. [00:02:19] I'm really very proud of these officers that we've hired. [00:02:24] They're aggressive. [00:02:27] They're out there hustling already. [00:02:29] I think if you've been downtown at all or near any of the events going on, [00:02:36] I can't help but be proud of them. [00:02:38] I can't help but to join you. [00:02:40] Thank you, Chief. [00:02:41] I have one officer that will not be able to make it tonight [00:02:46] because I think she has a little bit of heat stroke from yesterday, [00:02:50] and that's Elizabeth Chemis. [00:02:53] She's been with us almost a year now, if not a little more than a year. [00:03:00] With that, I'd like to invite all the newbies down here. [00:03:04] It'll be Al Hazimi, David Crowell, Todd Gee, Michael Toldo. [00:03:11] Where are they? [00:03:15] Marissa Moe. [00:03:19] Brian Hesse. [00:03:27] Matthew Patch. [00:03:29] Perfect. [00:03:30] Good. [00:03:31] Brian Gardner. [00:03:39] Actually, he goes by Kai. [00:03:47] And Tyler Jones. [00:03:54] Those three other guys, those muscle guys in the back, [00:03:56] they're part of your midnight shift. [00:03:58] Indeed. [00:03:59] Very proud of them. [00:04:03] I've just got to point out a couple of things with a few of these people. [00:04:06] This guy is our new part-time one of the four that you gave me positions for [00:04:13] for down in the park. [00:04:15] I've known Kai since December of 84. [00:04:20] We were both hired at the same time at the sheriff's office, [00:04:23] and he just completed his career over there. [00:04:26] I think we're very fortunate to get someone with his experience. [00:04:32] He's still alive, so he must be doing something right. [00:04:36] I do have to mention Marissa because her parents are here. [00:04:41] Marissa Moe, both her mom and her dad were deputy sheriffs [00:04:45] and promoted to sergeant's rank over at the sheriff's office. [00:04:49] Both retired now, so she grew up in a very law enforcement family. [00:04:54] And this young man here is Tyler Jones. [00:04:58] His dad is a retired police officer from Jacksonville, sheriff's office. [00:05:04] And I'm not sure with yours. [00:05:08] I started off in Pinellas Park. [00:05:10] You did ten years in Pinellas, didn't you? [00:05:12] Five, and then five in Indian Shores. [00:05:14] Okay, I knew it was two departments. [00:05:16] Okay, so these are our council members. [00:05:21] We need to remember them. [00:05:22] You'll run into them in all the events that we have. [00:05:26] And I'm just really proud that they're part of the group that came on board. [00:05:30] Some of these officers are scheduled for duty, [00:05:33] and I told them they weren't obligated to come, but I would appreciate if they did. [00:05:39] So I guess half of them cared. [00:05:43] Chief, if this Kai Gardner is the one that I remember, he cooks a very mean chili. [00:05:51] We went on road trips in motorhomes to various Gator Bowl games back in the late 70s, early 80s. [00:05:59] He had like five bowls. [00:06:01] That must have been an interesting motorhome trip. [00:06:04] That's all I'm saying. [00:06:07] Thank you guys for showing up tonight, [00:06:09] and thanks for allowing us the time to introduce them to you. [00:06:13] Thank you. [00:06:21] Mr. Mayor? [00:06:22] Yes. [00:06:23] Could we ask the parents that are here to stand so we can recognize them? [00:06:27] Parents and families? [00:06:30] No. [00:06:33] We just wanted to see them. [00:06:36] Thank you. [00:06:41] There are some other retired cops here in the audience, too. [00:06:44] There's Tom Kinsella, who is the newly elected councilman for New Port Richey, [00:06:50] sitting there with the blue shirt. [00:06:56] The retired from Jacksonville is kind of shy, I guess. [00:06:59] He's that guy. [00:07:05] Welcome to all of you, and thank you for taking on the challenge of serving on city council up in New Port Richey.

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6. 6Vox Pop for Items Not Listed on the Agenda or Listed on Consent Agenda▶ 7:14
7. 7.a

   Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes - August 2019

   approvedon consent

   Council approved the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board minutes from August 2019 on a voice vote.

   • motion:Approve the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board minutes for August 2019. (passed)

   #Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes - August 2019

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   [00:07:38] Move for approval. [00:07:40] Second. [00:07:42] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:07:44] Aye. [00:07:45] Opposed, like sign. [00:07:47] Motion passes.

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8. 7.b

   Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes - August 2019

   approvedon consent

   Council approved the Cultural Affairs Committee minutes from August 2019 by voice vote.

   • motion:Approve the Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes from August 2019. (passed)

   #Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes - August 2019

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   [00:07:38] Move for approval. [00:07:40] Second. [00:07:42] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:07:44] Aye. [00:07:45] Opposed, like sign. [00:07:47] Motion passes.

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9. 7.c

   Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval

   approvedon consent

   Council approved purchases/payments as presented with no discussion.

   • motion:Approve purchases/payments for City Council approval. (passed)

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   [00:07:38] Move for approval. [00:07:40] Second. [00:07:42] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:07:44] Aye. [00:07:45] Opposed, like sign. [00:07:47] Motion passes.

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10. 8.a

    Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2157 Amendments to Police Pension Ordinance RE: Request for 13th Check

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    Council held the second reading of Ordinance 2019-2157, amending the Police Officers' Retirement System to authorize a one-time supplemental ('13th') check to all persons receiving a benefit as of October 1, 2018, including DROP recipients. Staff noted the plan is overfunded so no additional city contribution is required, and the ordinance passed unanimously on voice vote.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2157

    • motion:Motion to approve Ordinance No. 2019-2157 on second reading, authorizing a one-time supplemental check to police retirement system beneficiaries. (passed)

    🏢Police Pension Board👤Ms. Vance#13th Check#Chapter 17 Pensions and Retirement#Ordinance No. 2019-2157#Police Officers' Retirement System#Section 17-56

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    [00:07:48] Next, public reading of ordinances. [00:07:50] Second reading, ordinance 2019-2157. [00:07:54] This is ordinance number 2019-2157, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:07:59] amending part two, code of ordinances of the city of New Port Richey, chapter 17, pensions and retirement. [00:08:04] Article four, police officers' retirement system. [00:08:07] Amending section 17-56, benefit amounts and eligibility, providing for codification, [00:08:12] providing for separability of provisions, repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, [00:08:17] and providing an effective date. [00:08:20] Ms. Vance. [00:08:21] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. [00:08:22] The purpose of this agenda item is to effectuate a benefit change in the form of a one-time supplemental check [00:08:31] to all persons receiving a benefit as of October 1, 2018, from the police officers' retirement system. [00:08:43] As you know from our discussion at your last meeting, [00:08:47] the retired police officers are entitled to a consideration as it relates to their benefits every two years [00:08:56] by the members of the city council on an ad hoc basis. [00:09:01] It, though, has been in excess of 20 years without any adjustment in salary [00:09:08] or any cost of living increases being extended to the retired members of the police system. [00:09:16] In that respect, an actuarial analysis was conducted to determine the cost associated with this one-time benefit plan. [00:09:30] Since the plan is in an overfunded status, meaning that the vested benefit ratio exceeds the obligations of the plan, [00:09:41] there would be no increase in the city's contribution to the plan as its guarantor. [00:09:51] Therefore, based on a recommendation of the Police Pension Board, the prevailing rate of inflation, [00:10:00] the investment on returns in the system, as well as the recent actuarial report, [00:10:06] we feel confident recommending to you this one-time payment be made to the members of the system effective, [00:10:14] including drop recipients, as of October 1st, 2018. [00:10:20] Thank you. We'll open it up for public comment. [00:10:24] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:10:28] Move for approval. Second. [00:10:30] To the maker. No. [00:10:32] Second. [00:10:33] We discussed this at the first reading. Well deserved. [00:10:38] Deputy Mayor. [00:10:39] I agree and we've already discussed it. [00:10:41] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. [00:10:45] Opposed, like sign. Motion passes.

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11. 8.b

    First Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2166: Standards for New and Used Auto Dealerships

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    Council heard the first reading of Ordinance 2019-2166, which establishes development standards for new and used vehicle sales dealerships in the Highway Commercial (US 19) zoning district, including lot size, landscaping, paving, signage restrictions, sales office size, and a 1,000-foot separation requirement between used car dealerships. After public comment from two dealers, the motion to approve on first reading passed, with staff directed to review specific concerns (particularly Sunray Motors' lack of outdoor inventory) before second reading.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2166

    • motion:Approve Ordinance 2019-2166 on first reading establishing standards for new and used auto dealerships in the Highway Commercial zoning district. (passed)
    • direction:Staff directed to review Sunray Motors' property and consider exemptions/clarifications regarding frontage and virtual dealerships before second reading. (none)

    📍Luna Vista Drive📍US 19🏢Friendly Kia🏢Julian's Auto Showcase🏢Sunray Motors👤Altman👤Debbie Manns👤John Gillis👤Murphy👤Robert Calo👤Romanoli#April 2019 moratorium on car dealership standards#Highway Commercial Zoning District#Land Development Review Board#Ordinance 2019-2166#Section 7.09 of Chapter 7 of the Land Development Code#Subparagraph 7.0909

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    [00:10:48] Next, first reading, Ordinance 2019-2166. [00:10:52] Ordinance number 2019-2166, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:10:56] providing for amendment of Section 7.09 of Chapter 7 of the Land Development Code, [00:11:00] pertaining to the Highway Commercial Zoning District. [00:11:03] Providing for a new subparagraph, 7.0909, thereof, [00:11:07] providing for development standards for vehicle sales dealerships within said zoning district. [00:11:12] Providing for a definition thereof, providing for non-conforming uses, [00:11:16] providing for compliance with certain standards by existing non-conforming uses, [00:11:20] no later than one year from the effective date hereof, [00:11:23] providing for conflicts, severability, codification, and an effective date. [00:11:29] Ms. Vance. [00:11:30] Yes, sir. [00:11:31] In April of 2019, the staff recommended to the City Council that a moratorium be put in place [00:11:41] in respect to standards affecting new and used car dealerships in the city. [00:11:48] Since that time, the staff has devoted some effort to engaging in discussions [00:11:56] with the owners of both new and used car dealerships in the city, [00:12:01] introducing standards, responding to concerns expressed to us [00:12:07] in relationship to the recommended changes to the ordinance. [00:12:14] And Mr. Romanoli is prepared to present a PowerPoint, [00:12:20] which will outline the specific changes and new ordinance as it's being proposed to you this evening. [00:12:30] Mr. Romanoli. [00:12:31] Thank you, Ms. Vance. [00:12:32] Members of the Council, as Ms. Vance said back in April, [00:12:35] you set a moratorium for staff to do research on the regulations [00:12:40] and review the car dealerships within the city. [00:12:44] There was concerns about poor landscaping, too much product on site, [00:12:48] inadequate sales offices, and concentration of businesses. [00:12:52] There was also concern that it was affecting quality of life of surrounding neighborhoods [00:12:56] and not beneficial to the city's economic quality. [00:13:03] Planning and Development staff researched the issue [00:13:06] and sought out information from other communities on how they were dealing with this issue. [00:13:11] We had meetings with the dealers to gather their comments. [00:13:14] Also had individual meetings with individual dealers for their input. [00:13:19] The ordinance was written and reviewed by the city's planning consultant and the city attorney. [00:13:24] It was discussed at two meetings of the Land Development Review Board, and they recommend approval. [00:13:30] This will address all car dealerships, both new and used, with some exceptions that we will discuss. [00:13:37] Dealerships are limited to the Highway Commercial Zoning District, which is US 19. [00:13:43] There will be a one-acre minimum for new dealerships, a minimum of 100 feet frontage along US 19. [00:13:50] Outdoor inventory must be on paved surfaces, and outdoor inventory areas must be landscaped [00:13:56] and have trees in at least 15% of all parking and inventory areas. [00:14:01] Inventory cannot be parked that restricts access to the lot. [00:14:05] Inventory cannot be located in buffer or landscape areas. [00:14:09] Sales and rental offices buildings shall be at least 1,000 gross square feet in size. [00:14:15] The use of balloons, decorative flags, banners, streamers, search and beacon lights, [00:14:20] and wind-blown or inflatable attention devices are prohibited. [00:14:24] Inoperable vehicles, disassembled or partially disassembled vehicles, [00:14:29] should not be parked, stored, or displayed in the vehicle display area, nor in any buffer areas or landscaped areas. [00:14:36] These vehicles must be parked or stored and screened from the view from outside of the property [00:14:41] or stored or parked within a building. [00:14:44] Service areas shall be oriented away from residential areas. [00:14:48] Parking standards are created through this ordinance for customer and employee parking, [00:14:53] and minimum display areas are set for vehicles. [00:14:56] One significant difference between new and used car dealerships [00:15:00] This ordinance creates a separation requirement of 1,000 feet between used car dealerships. [00:15:06] That does not affect new car dealerships. [00:15:08] This is the current map of car dealerships within the city and 1,000 square feet prohibition [00:15:14] area within them. [00:15:24] Existing businesses will not have to comply with all the parts of this ordinance, particularly [00:15:29] the lot size requirements, lot width, sales office size, the separation requirements, [00:15:36] and orientation of service and repair bay doors. [00:15:40] They all must comply within one year with all other requirements from city council approval. [00:15:45] The buffering standards established, the city manager is empowered to allow non-conforming [00:15:53] dealerships to plant an equivalent amount in the interior if strict application would [00:15:58] create an undue burden because of the building, the site layout, and vehicle display areas. [00:16:05] We're presenting this to you as first reading of this ordinance. [00:16:09] Thank you. [00:16:10] We'll open it up for public comment. [00:16:11] Anyone wishing to address council on this should come forward. [00:16:14] Come on down, John. [00:16:25] Give us your name and address for the record, please. [00:16:27] My name is John Gillis with Friendly Kia. [00:16:31] It's interesting to see where you all are going with this, and one, I really couldn't [00:16:35] see it from back there, so I wanted to go up here to see it, and they took it down, [00:16:39] but that's okay. [00:16:40] I just had a couple questions about some of the things you have in there are already part [00:16:46] of the code, I believe, as far as the banners and stuff like that, so there's some duplication. [00:16:51] You're also talking about unsightly, broken-down cars parked on car lots. [00:17:00] I'm wondering if you're addressing any of, or if there is a code to prohibit that in [00:17:06] other areas of the community. [00:17:10] I see a lot of things. [00:17:12] I think this is basically for the good. [00:17:14] I have, obviously, plenty of room to park my car. [00:17:18] Some of the people, I don't know how they're going to do it, but I understand where you're [00:17:21] going and what you're doing. [00:17:25] Off the record, you really don't need any other used car dealers in this area. [00:17:28] Thank you very much. [00:17:29] Thank you. [00:17:30] Mr. Gillis. [00:17:31] That was a joke. [00:17:38] Anyone else? [00:17:39] Mr. Mayor? [00:17:40] Yes. [00:17:41] Did you want me to respond to the points raised by Mr. Gillis or do that at the end? [00:17:44] We can do it at the end. [00:17:45] Okay. [00:17:46] Hello. [00:17:47] Can I say my name? [00:17:48] Yes, please. [00:17:49] My name is Robert Calo. [00:17:50] I have Sunray Motors, which is on Luna Vista Drive, a small, little independent dealership. [00:17:55] I guess my concern is that this is written in a sense that we're going to have, a dealership [00:18:00] would have inventory constantly outside. [00:18:03] Dealers can be done virtually, right? [00:18:05] Sales can be done within a garage. [00:18:07] Sales can be done through the internet. [00:18:09] There can be no actual physical inventory displayed on the outside, but the way this [00:18:13] is written, it would prestrict that from happening, from dealers that are doing through [00:18:17] the internet selling. [00:18:19] So I would not have any cars displayed. [00:18:22] I could have cars in my garage, but I could be selling them through the internet. [00:18:27] And the way this is written in here, I'll have to confine to all this buffer and things [00:18:31] of that nature when I really don't have any cars ever have displayed on my premises. [00:18:37] So I believe the way it's written is restricting virtual dealership transactions and businesses [00:18:42] occurring within a city. [00:18:43] Mr. Mayor? [00:18:44] Could we get a clarification on that, please? [00:18:46] I may ask for some assistance from the city attorney in that respect, but this ordinance [00:18:53] applies exclusively to properties that are located within the Highway Commercial Zoning [00:18:59] District. [00:19:00] And I'm not certain that Luna Vista is. [00:19:02] Mine is. [00:19:03] Mine is on the Highway Commercial Zoning District. [00:19:05] It's on Luna Vista. [00:19:06] It's that whole block that goes from 19 into the road in there. [00:19:10] It is zoned highway commercial. [00:19:12] Okay. [00:19:13] Okay. [00:19:14] Then it does apply to you. [00:19:15] It does apply to me, but I don't have any physical inventory on the outside. [00:19:18] But you're restricting me to have a business set up in that manner. [00:19:22] I'm sorry. [00:19:23] I live right behind you. [00:19:24] You're telling me you don't have any cars on your lot for sale? [00:19:26] I don't have any cars in front of me out there. [00:19:28] I only have cars that are in the building or in the fenced-in area. [00:19:31] What do you mean the fenced-in area? [00:19:33] Chain link fenced-in area. [00:19:34] The storage area in the back. [00:19:36] So there are no cars in the front of each other. [00:19:38] There's cars all over your lot, sir? [00:19:39] No, sir. [00:19:40] Not Sunray Motors. [00:19:41] Luna Vista Drive. [00:19:42] Luna Vista 19. [00:19:43] Yeah. [00:19:44] I live at Luna Vista Master. [00:19:45] No. [00:19:46] Luna Vista and the street that's right behind it. [00:19:47] That's parallel with 19. [00:19:49] It's a small white building. [00:19:50] Oh. [00:19:51] Okay. [00:19:52] So you're not on the 19 frontage? [00:19:53] No, sir. [00:19:54] Gotcha. [00:19:55] So you're in that building behind it. [00:19:56] Yes, sir. [00:19:57] I know what you're saying. [00:19:58] I'm sorry. [00:19:59] I thought you were the dealership right on the corner. [00:20:00] I've owned that building for 25 years. [00:20:01] Yeah. [00:20:02] Yes. [00:20:03] He's absolutely right. [00:20:04] There's no vehicles on premise. [00:20:07] I'm sorry. [00:20:08] I'm confused with the one right to the west of you. [00:20:10] Yes, sir. [00:20:11] I understand. [00:20:12] Would using the word frontage and the highway frontage in the ordinance be of any help to [00:20:19] eliminate his... [00:20:20] With the city attorney's permission, what I'd like to do is look at the property because [00:20:25] I'm not familiar with it. [00:20:27] And if a change is appropriate, perhaps it could be included before the second reading [00:20:32] of the ordinance. [00:20:35] He's absolutely right. [00:20:36] That's just the building. [00:20:38] That's basically the two or three cars for the people that work inside the building, [00:20:40] I would assume. [00:20:41] Right? [00:20:42] Yes, sir. [00:20:43] Yes. [00:20:44] We can certainly look at his property in particular because if he doesn't have any inventory to [00:20:48] display, then he obviously wouldn't be bound by the inventory display requirements. [00:20:53] But we can see if some of these other provisions, they would apply to him as written. [00:20:58] But we can look at those and see if there needs to be an exemption for his... [00:21:02] If his property really doesn't display automobiles, that's the primary driver of this ordinance, [00:21:09] then there might be some room for an exemption if the council would consider it. [00:21:13] If we could bring that back on second reading. [00:21:15] Thank you for bringing that up. [00:21:17] Anyone else? [00:21:20] Seeing no one else come forward, bring it back to council. [00:21:25] I'll move approval on first reading. [00:21:27] Second. [00:21:28] To the maker. [00:21:29] No, I think... [00:21:30] I know there were some questions the city manager wanted to address under discussion, [00:21:35] so I'll defer to her to add any details that she might have missed with Mr. Friendly. [00:21:40] Certainly. [00:21:41] The first point raised by Mr. Gillis was in regard to duplication of some of the standards. [00:21:49] And it's true that some of the standards as it relates to what would be considered signage [00:21:56] already exists in our code of ordinances, and we are just putting it in the ordinance [00:22:03] to make it a little bit easier to find more than anything. [00:22:08] And Mr. Gillis, you're going to have to forgive me because I forgot your second point. [00:22:12] My question was the other vehicles that are parked throughout the city that are not [00:22:18] automotive-related that aren't operable. [00:22:23] By code enforcement. [00:22:24] Right. [00:22:25] Code enforcement would be the division of the police department that would address any [00:22:33] of those vehicles that are not attached, as you're suggesting, to a car dealership. [00:22:40] So I'll come back to you. [00:22:41] Okay. [00:22:42] Thank you. [00:22:43] Mr. Altman. [00:22:44] Yeah. [00:22:45] Just thank you. [00:22:46] And so, consequently, again, second reading gives us a chance to address the question [00:22:50] that was raised, and so I'll look forward to hearing on that second reading. [00:22:55] Very good. [00:22:56] Deputy Mayor. [00:22:57] Just thank staff for the hard work they put into this, and I myself had been out to one [00:23:01] dealership, Julian's Auto Showcase, more than once, and this man was nice enough to [00:23:05] meet me out there, and as they stated, they want to be part of the solution, not the problem, [00:23:11] so thank you for that. [00:23:12] And the way it was first written, there were some issues in there with the way their particular [00:23:17] lot is situated, a lot of concrete on the frontage. [00:23:20] It would have been tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars to rip out that concrete [00:23:24] to put some small plants in. [00:23:25] So I applaud this man for taking the time to meet with them, in particular, and for [00:23:31] coming up with alternative solutions that would still address the issues that we have [00:23:38] along the U.S. 19 frontage, but they're, once again, they take great, in my opinion, take [00:23:43] great care of their property, and we're going to work with them and get it done properly. [00:23:48] Councilman Murphy. [00:23:50] No, I think we'll probably have some more things that may come up and change, but that's, [00:23:55] you know, we'll get that worked out towards the second reading. [00:23:58] Yeah, I definitely want to take a look at a second reading. [00:24:01] I was going to mention this during communications, but since Mr. Gillis brought up the difficulty [00:24:06] reading the slides, I have a real hard time with small white letters on light-colored [00:24:13] backgrounds. [00:24:14] It's almost impossible to read. [00:24:18] It may just be my eyes, but we probably need more contrast in bigger letters, please. [00:24:24] As much as I hate to admit it, Mr. Mayor, I struggle too. [00:24:28] In that case, any further discussion? [00:24:32] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:24:35] Aye. [00:24:36] Opposed? [00:24:37] Like sign. [00:24:38] Motion passes.

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12. 8.c

    First Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2168: Rezoning of 7908 Rutillio Court

    approved

    Council considered first reading of Ordinance 2019-2168 to rezone approximately 0.93 acres at 7908 Rutillio Court from C2 Commercial to Light Industrial to allow a metal fabrication business. Despite the City Attorney's caution that this could be considered spot zoning and would open the property to adult uses, the motion to approve passed on voice vote.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2168

    • motion:Motion to approve the rezoning request from C2 Commercial to Light Industrial on first reading of Ordinance 2019-2168. (passed)

    📍7908 Rutillio Court👤Mr. Murphy👤Mr. Romanoli👤Ms. Manz#C2 to Light Industrial rezoning#Land Development Review Board#Ordinance 2019-2168#spot zoning concern

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    [00:24:39] First reading ordinance 2019-2168. [00:24:46] Ordinance 2019-2168, an ordinance rezoning approximately 0.93 acres of property generally [00:24:51] located east of Congress Street and south of Orchard Lake Road from C2 Commercial District [00:24:57] to Light Industrial, further described herein and in Exhibit A providing for an effective [00:25:01] date. [00:25:02] Ms. Manz. [00:25:03] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. [00:25:04] The proposed rezoning is from C2 to Light Industrial. [00:25:11] It is just under, in fact, 0.93 acres of property located south of Orchard Lake, east [00:25:17] of Congress Street, and Mr. Romanoli does have a PowerPoint which outlines the proposed [00:25:26] rezoning and the recommendation of the Land Development Review Board. [00:25:29] Thank you, Ms. Manz. [00:25:30] And, Mr. Mayor, I have trouble reading my own slides, so I understand what you were [00:25:34] saying there. [00:25:35] So, this is hopefully bigger that we all can see it. [00:25:37] So, this is a rezoning of a property in Rotillo Court. [00:25:41] As Ms. Manz says, it's south of Orchard Lake and east of Congress. [00:25:46] This is an area of basically warehouses and other industrial and commercial areas. [00:25:52] The applicant wants a metal fabrication business to be located in the building, which is a [00:25:59] light industrial use. [00:26:02] This area has both Commercial 2 and Light Industrial zoning throughout. [00:26:08] In fact, in a survey we made of this area, a lot of the Commercial 2 zone parcels actually [00:26:14] have light industrial uses within them, so they're non-conforming. [00:26:18] So it's a mixture of both Commercial 2 and Light Industrial in this neighborhood. [00:26:23] The neighborhood has a future land use entirely of Light Industrial, so this zoning will match [00:26:31] then the future land use of the neighborhood. [00:26:34] This was reviewed by the Land Development Review Board, and they recommend approval [00:26:39] to the City Council. [00:26:40] Thank you. [00:26:41] I'll open it up for public comment. [00:26:44] Saying no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [00:26:46] Mr. Mayor, if I could just make one comment on this particular item. [00:26:50] If you look at the maps that are provided in your package, although you see that the [00:26:53] land use is, the underlying land use is industrial, if you look at the zoning in the area, the [00:26:59] entire area virtually where this property is, is C2. [00:27:04] So it's surrounded by C2 in the zoning, and so in your consideration of this item, and [00:27:10] you should consider this a quasi-judicial item as well, you should consider whether [00:27:15] or not this would essentially be spot zoning that particular parcel by placing an industrial [00:27:21] in the middle of that C2. [00:27:23] You're not required to provide the highest zoning that's available under the land use, [00:27:28] so you're not bound by the underlying land use, which is industrial throughout that [00:27:32] area. [00:27:33] You're also not bound by the fact that there are non-conforming uses in the area. [00:27:37] If your consideration is to grant this, you certainly would have the ability to do so, [00:27:42] but I think there's a possibility of a challenge based on the fact that it would be considered [00:27:46] potentially spot zoning, and really if this is going to be an industrial area, you should [00:27:51] consider a broader view of that area, and changing more parcels to make it an industrial [00:28:01] area if that's the intent that you wish to go, because you will be making this property [00:28:05] more intense. [00:28:06] So I'd be happy to answer any questions. [00:28:08] Hopefully that helps you with your deliberations. [00:28:10] And since this is quasi-judicial, if anybody needs to declare, ex parte communications [00:28:16] can do so at this time. [00:28:17] Mr. Mayor, I forgot to mention, this property is at the city boundary, and directly to the [00:28:23] east is county with a junkyard, which is definitely a light industrial use, so it's not totally [00:28:29] surrounded by commercial. [00:28:30] It is on the county side, light industrial on the east side. [00:28:39] Mr. Mayor, if you'd allow me to make one final point, I feel like I would be admissed without [00:28:46] telling you that a zoning to light industrial does open up the property for adult uses as [00:28:53] well in the district. [00:28:56] There's already an adult use in that district now? [00:28:58] There is, but you could establish another location if you extend the boundaries of the [00:29:08] district to additional property. [00:29:12] That's a point I'd like to make for the record. [00:29:17] Entertain a motion? [00:29:18] I would move to approve the request for light industrial. [00:29:25] Do we have a second? [00:29:31] Second with discussion. [00:29:33] Discussion to the maker. [00:29:34] Under discussion, I think that the trends that we've seen in the city, and particularly [00:29:40] as we see a lot of commercial out on the highway and commercial properties along Massachusetts [00:29:45] Avenue, other commercial properties, are sort of running against the change of the way that [00:29:55] we do things. [00:29:57] There's not as much commercial need. [00:30:00] The 19 is going to go more residential, you know, according to folks and people are using [00:30:05] Internet. [00:30:06] So I don't think that the commercial establishments are necessarily lacking for places to go, [00:30:12] but I do think industrial and the ability for folks to work in metal fabrication and [00:30:18] other things that provide some employment. [00:30:21] And so in response to the city attorney's comments, I was around when we made that determination [00:30:31] of what could go in industrial in order to try to be least offensive to the general public [00:30:37] coming and going. [00:30:39] I would not be just tipping my hat, but saying outright that I think that that is our industrial [00:30:44] park and I would assume that it would trend that way in the future. [00:30:49] So that's why I think it gives opportunity for other manufacturers to come into town [00:30:53] and rezone their properties. [00:30:55] Thank you. [00:30:56] To the second. [00:30:57] I see four or five industrial zone parcels mixed in here as well. [00:31:02] Did every one of those property owners have to come and ask for rezoning as well? [00:31:08] In response to the question, I'm not certain when those properties were zoned, so I can't [00:31:16] respond to the question. [00:31:17] I mean, I see the majority of it is zoned C2, but there is industrial use mixed in there [00:31:23] right now. [00:31:24] And to me, it does look like an industrial park when you drive by, you know, if none [00:31:28] of the neighboring businesses have any issue with this, which I don't see anyone here complaining, [00:31:35] I think I'm okay with it. [00:31:37] Mr. Murphy. [00:31:38] Well, my question, the neighbors or anybody around them that might be impacted by it. [00:31:44] I guess no one's here to talk about it. [00:31:47] Well, we didn't notice everyone within 500 feet of rezoning, and no one objected to that [00:31:53] parcel being rezoned to light industrial. [00:31:58] I'm aware of another building that is across whatever that north-south street is running [00:32:07] through the middle of it that's very definitely being used industrially, even if it's not [00:32:12] zoned that way. [00:32:18] Given that the county junkyard, which is immediately adjacent to this parcel, is industrial, and [00:32:26] more important, given that our land use map shows future land use for that whole area [00:32:31] to be industrial, I don't have a problem with this zoning change. [00:32:37] So, any further discussion? [00:32:41] Seeing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:32:44] Aye. [00:32:45] Opposed? [00:32:46] Like sign. [00:32:47] Motion passes. [00:32:48] Next, first reading ordinance 2019-2155.

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13. 8.d

    First Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2155: Conditional Use for 5780 Main Street

    approved

    Council heard first reading of Ordinance 2019-2155, a conditional use application for E-Carb LLC to operate electric scooter and one-wheel sales (and proposed rentals/tours) co-located with Get Outside at 5780 Main Street. The DRC recommended sales only, but after extensive discussion the council moved to approve sales, rentals, and test drives with conditions: no nighttime use after dusk, riders under 18 must be accompanied by an adult, test drives in the rear (Railroad Square area), and proof of liability insurance before second reading.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2155

    • motion:Move to approve the conditional use ordinance for sales, rentals, and test drives of scooters in downtown New Port Richey, with conditions: no use after dusk, riders under 18 accompanied by an adult, test drives preferably in the rear, and proof of liability insurance prior to second reading. (passed)

    📍5780 Main Street📍Railroad Square🏢Bird🏢E-Carb LLC🏢Get Outside🏢Lime👤Bill Phillips👤Debbie Manns👤George Romanelli👤Scott Carbone👤Starkey#City of Fort Lauderdale scooter ordinance#Conditional use - downtown zoning district#Development Review Committee (DRC/DERC)#House Bill 453#Ordinance 2019-2155

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    [00:32:56] Ordinance 2019-2155, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, providing for [00:33:00] approval of a conditional use for a scooter and one-wheel vehicle sales retail store in [00:33:05] the downtown zoning district for the property located at 5780 Main Street, as legally described [00:33:10] herein, providing for any necessary conditions on said use and providing for an effective [00:33:15] date. [00:33:16] Yes, ma'am. [00:33:17] Yes, sir. [00:33:18] Mr. Mayor, this matter is brought before you as a conditional use based on a recommendation [00:33:26] of our Development Review Committee. [00:33:29] The recommendation before you, and I'm going to let Mr. Romanoli talk a little bit about [00:33:37] it, but before having him do so, I think it's important to note that the conditional use [00:33:49] applies exclusively to the sale of the scooters and the one-wheels from the get-outside business [00:34:02] in the city's downtown. [00:34:05] And the ordinance specifically precludes tours, test drives, or rentals of these devices in [00:34:13] the city. [00:34:14] Mr. Romanoli? [00:34:15] You pretty much said everything in my presentation, but just as a point out, when a use is not [00:34:24] listed in the Land Development Code, it has to come to the City Council for approval in [00:34:30] the downtown area for a conditional use. [00:34:33] This will be co-located, as Ms. Mann said, with get-outside. [00:34:37] The proposal from the applicant, he wanted sales, day rental, and guided tours of the [00:34:41] area. [00:34:42] And the DERC recommends only the sales portion of the application. [00:34:46] Owners of these scooters have more experience and knowledge of their own device and will [00:34:51] hopefully drive in a safer manner than a day user. [00:34:54] Because of the heavy use of vehicles on Main Street and Grand Boulevard and large pedestrian [00:34:59] traffic on the sidewalks, the use for tours and rentals are not recommended. [00:35:04] And additionally, the not recommended are test drives of the vehicles. [00:35:09] If you agree with the DERC to allow only sales, you will approve the ordinance. [00:35:13] If you'd like to approve the other uses, you will have to amend the ordinance. [00:35:17] If you don't want this at all, you would deny the ordinance entirely. [00:35:23] Thank you. [00:35:24] We'll open it up for public comment. [00:35:27] Hello, Scott Carbone, owner and operator of E-Carb LLC. [00:35:36] How's everyone doing today, good? [00:35:40] As George had pointed out, yeah, the DERC did not want this rental side of the business [00:35:47] to come forth with New Port Richey, downtown New Port Richey. [00:35:51] Where I disagree is if E-Carb LLC isn't granted, you're going to have other scooter companies [00:35:59] coming in here eventually without permission, and they're going to do a rental share program, [00:36:05] which is completely different from what I'm doing. [00:36:07] What we're doing is we have one place that a customer would come in, rent a scooter that [00:36:13] goes 12 miles an hour, and they can tour downtown New Port Richey for hours, and they have to [00:36:18] return the scooter back to the place of business. [00:36:22] There will be no scooters left in the city for clutter, for theft, or anything like that. [00:36:29] Also, we provide safety gear, helmets, wrist guards, and elbow pads with every rental. [00:36:35] You got to realize, and you should know this, this city is booming. [00:36:39] You have a nightlife here for tourism that is awesome. [00:36:44] There's not much really for the day use. [00:36:47] We have the rentals of the kayaks that Get Outside provides, which people are starting [00:36:53] to pick up on that now. [00:36:56] If you approve this, you're going to see a good influx of tourism. [00:37:01] Actually, the governor just passed a bill in April about these electric scooters are [00:37:08] considered micro-mobility devices, and they're to be treated as bicycles because they don't [00:37:14] go over 20 miles an hour. [00:37:16] The max speed is 12, and all these scooters that we speak of can be programmed on my end, [00:37:24] put governors on them, or whatnot. [00:37:27] Seven-year-old children can ride these. [00:37:29] This is not a motor. [00:37:30] It's electric. [00:37:31] Also, I'm a proponent of anything eco-tourism, and I think that would be a big selling point [00:37:38] for downtown New Port Richey. [00:37:40] I think it's time for something like this down here. [00:37:43] I think most people that are going to be on a scooter are going to be able to travel [00:37:48] and visit other businesses that they're not going to by walking. [00:37:51] I mean, it is hot down here, very hot. [00:37:54] You get on one of my scooters, you can cruise the whole city, stop at all the businesses. [00:38:00] Therefore, it's a win-win for everyone. [00:38:03] So if there's any questions, safety concerns, I'm here to answer those questions. [00:38:07] Thank you. [00:38:09] Anyone else? [00:38:12] Seeing no one else come forward, I'm going to bring it back to council. [00:38:15] Mr. Romanelli, I have a... [00:38:17] You stay, please. [00:38:20] Yes. [00:38:23] Exactly how would renting these be different from what Get Outside is doing now with kayaks [00:38:31] and bicycles? [00:38:33] Well, the concern was the interaction of the scooters, which people who have never driven [00:38:41] these before are driving, in the traffic of Main Street and Grand Boulevard. [00:38:46] That is the concern. [00:38:47] I mean, bicycles, people learn how to ride bicycles usually before they're 10 years old. [00:38:54] Kayaks, of course, are in the river, so it's not going to have much interference with the [00:38:58] streets. [00:38:59] But our concern is traffic and the interaction between the scooters and traffic, the concern [00:39:04] about safety. [00:39:05] We don't have, again, as much concern of people that own scooters, use them every day, learn [00:39:10] how to use it, become an expert, but someone who's brand new, that was our concern. [00:39:14] Let me rephrase my question. [00:39:17] Why is this even a conditional use, assuming that the kayaks and bicycles would be granted [00:39:26] automatically? [00:39:27] Because the land development code is silent on this subject. [00:39:31] So the land development code in the downtown zoning district has about 40 or 50 eligible [00:39:36] uses. [00:39:37] We could not find anything that this would fit into in the category. [00:39:43] And that's why it's a conditional use. [00:39:45] Deputy Mayor? [00:39:46] Well, one question. [00:39:49] I know there, as you well know, there's been a lot of news about them, and you have referenced [00:39:58] the other company where they drop them off, and I think I just heard something, someone [00:40:02] cutting gas lines or whatever. [00:40:04] And I'm not sure, these may be electric or what they are. [00:40:07] All electric, sir. [00:40:08] But the speed is of interest to me. [00:40:11] Are the scooters that we're seeing in these rentals, are they different from the scooters [00:40:17] that you're selling? [00:40:18] Yes and no. [00:40:23] The only real difference between what you're seeing in the news from like Lime and Bird [00:40:28] and like in Tampa, that's a scooter sharing company. [00:40:33] There's no accountability. [00:40:35] They're just dumped on the city streets where anybody with a cell phone can pick one up, [00:40:42] download the app, and go wherever they want to go. [00:40:45] So with eCarve, with our scooters, I know you mentioned about the speed. [00:40:50] Let me get to that real quick. [00:40:51] The speed, there's certain apps that I can control on these scooters to go certain mile [00:40:57] per hour. [00:40:58] And like I said, with the ordinance, not the ordinance, but the house bill, the governor [00:41:03] passed where they're to be treated like bicycles. [00:41:07] I know there's no bike lanes here in downtown, but everyone is riding their bikes on the [00:41:11] sidewalk. [00:41:13] These are just as, honestly, they are just as safe and probably even safer than a bicycle [00:41:19] in that regard because I can control the speed. [00:41:23] Now with everyone that does rent, they'll be getting tutorials, lessons, all that I [00:41:29] will provide. [00:41:30] Even safety gear, again, with Bird and Lime in Tampa, there's no accountability. [00:41:36] You have two or three people riding on one scooter with no helmets. [00:41:40] That's not going to happen here with eCarve LLC. [00:41:45] Are you anticipating that the scooters would be... [00:41:47] No. [00:41:48] What I'm anticipating is that I... [00:41:49] What I feel... [00:41:50] Go ahead. [00:41:51] I'm sorry. [00:41:52] You'll finish. [00:41:53] That the folks would be riding these on the sidewalk. [00:41:55] In other words, we felt that it was dangerous to be on the street, that these things needed [00:42:00] to be on the street. [00:42:01] You're saying it could be treated as bicycles? [00:42:03] Correct. [00:42:04] I think we have the option of allowing bicycles on the street. [00:42:07] Maybe they're not on the sidewalks. [00:42:11] We used to not be able to be on the sidewalk. [00:42:13] To me, I see people riding on the sidewalk and the sidewalk's empty, and it's like, okay, [00:42:18] somebody's going to use the sidewalk. [00:42:20] Would they be allowed to use the sidewalk is a question I see, and the chief has got [00:42:24] to... [00:42:25] I'm aware of the House Bill 453. [00:42:28] That's from the state, but they make it every municipality to decide what they want. [00:42:36] There was also a question about the safety. [00:42:39] Each scooter has headlights and brake lights, so if they were to ride these at night, which [00:42:45] I would say dusk, because I'm probably going to close around 9 o'clock, they do provide [00:42:52] at least a pretty bright headlight and a flashing taillight brake light. [00:42:58] The scooter companies have really went above and beyond to make these as safe as possible. [00:43:03] Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that no one is going to fall. [00:43:07] That would be ignorant for me to say that someone's not going to fall. [00:43:12] One last question, then I get to you, and that is, it seems like your biggest proponent [00:43:16] is the young lady in the middle back there who keeps nodding her head yes when she's [00:43:20] talking about it. [00:43:21] Yeah, I don't know who that person is. [00:43:24] But can you tell me, is there an age limit? [00:43:28] How do they ride them? [00:43:29] Yeah, she's actually 20 years old, but she's really short-staffed. [00:43:32] I believe that. [00:43:33] I thought that. [00:43:34] It's my beautiful family. [00:43:36] My wife and kids come down here and we ride, because we've been here since 95. [00:43:42] So I'm a local guy. [00:43:45] The age limit, that really determines, that determination is on me. [00:43:51] If you read the box, they say anywhere from 8 to 12. [00:43:55] I'm leaning more towards the 12 years old and above. [00:43:59] That's kind of where I'm going with it, because a 12-year-old, they should have motor skills [00:44:06] at that point. [00:44:07] Deputy Mayor. [00:44:10] I want this to work, but I have several concerns. [00:44:12] A fair comparison to someone riding a bicycle, I don't think that's a valid comparison, because [00:44:18] someone that's riding a bicycle on the sidewalk most likely has learned how to ride a bicycle [00:44:21] and has been riding a bicycle for quite some time. [00:44:24] I don't see a lot of parents taking their 5 and 6-year-old kids out downtown riding [00:44:28] on our sidewalks. [00:44:29] You do that on back streets, right? [00:44:31] So someone riding a scooter, it's just not a fair comparison. [00:44:33] Someone riding a scooter that they've never ridden before is a far cry than someone that's [00:44:38] riding a bike for 10 years, or 5 years, or 2 years. [00:44:41] The other concern I have, I would not want these on our sidewalks at nighttime. [00:44:45] You mentioned 20 miles per hour. [00:44:46] I would not want... [00:44:47] No, I never... [00:44:48] Who mentioned up to 20 miles an hour? [00:44:49] No, no. [00:44:50] 12. [00:44:51] 12 is the max speed. [00:44:52] And real quick, just to be sure, to be clear, that's a variable number. [00:44:57] So you have someone that's 160 pounds, they're not... [00:45:00] going 12 miles an hour. [00:45:01] Someone that's 12, [00:45:03] they may be able to get up to 12 miles an hour, [00:45:05] but I can program each scooter [00:45:07] to go a certain miles per hour. [00:45:08] How many are you looking to store? [00:45:09] 10. [00:45:10] 10, and the inventories will be inside, [00:45:12] get outside? Yeah. [00:45:13] Knock me out on the sidewalk? [00:45:14] No. [00:45:16] No, they have to physically come into the store, [00:45:20] sign the rental contract, [00:45:21] and the liability waiver that I have created, [00:45:25] and they would have the scooter [00:45:27] for whatever rental time they want, [00:45:29] and when that time is up, they have to return it back. [00:45:32] You're giving all the liability, [00:45:33] you don't have a liability insurance policy [00:45:34] to cover any damage from this, [00:45:36] but you're having them sign a liability waiver. [00:45:38] Yes, but I also am insured. [00:45:40] I do have insurance for this, [00:45:44] so I will be completely covered with the CARB LLC. [00:45:47] Another thing, I want it to work, [00:45:48] believe me, I do, [00:45:49] but I just have concerns with you having so much power, [00:45:53] it's like this kid might look 12, [00:45:54] mom says he's 12, [00:45:55] they don't have an ID, [00:45:56] it could be an eight-year-old kid that's tall, [00:45:57] you know what I mean? [00:45:58] So, what are you all saying? [00:45:59] Well, that's up to the parents. [00:46:00] On age, I know it is. [00:46:03] And there's some parents that aren't very responsible, [00:46:05] I see it on a regular basis, [00:46:07] so what's that mean? [00:46:10] I'm saying I would like this to work, [00:46:12] I'm just voicing my concerns. [00:46:14] If you'd like, I can clarify the law that he's referencing. [00:46:17] If you would, please. [00:46:18] I provided a memo to the city manager, [00:46:20] which she distributed, [00:46:23] and there was a statutory change that was made [00:46:27] that went into effect in July [00:46:29] that basically changed some of the requirements [00:46:32] regarding motorized scooters, [00:46:33] and as the gentleman stated, [00:46:35] they are to be treated as bicycles [00:46:37] unless you decide otherwise, [00:46:39] and each municipality has the authority [00:46:41] to dictate where and when you can ride these devices. [00:46:45] So you have that capability, [00:46:47] you don't have to consider that [00:46:50] for purposes of this particular application, [00:46:53] this is a conditional use application, [00:46:55] so you can either allow or disallow the particular use, [00:46:59] and if you allow it, [00:47:00] you can allow it with whatever conditions [00:47:01] you think are appropriate. [00:47:03] I would point out that the definition of a motor scooter [00:47:07] is any vehicle or micromobility device [00:47:10] that is powered by a motor [00:47:11] with or without a seat or saddle [00:47:12] for the use of the rider, [00:47:13] which is designed to travel on not more than three wheels, [00:47:17] and which is not capable of propelling the vehicle [00:47:21] at a speed greater than 20 miles per hour on level ground. [00:47:25] So there is a 20 mile per hour cap, [00:47:27] it can't be capable of going faster [00:47:29] if it's gonna meet the definition of a motor scooter, [00:47:32] and I assume that a governing device [00:47:35] would probably be sufficient to make it meet that definition [00:47:39] but in the absence of a municipal ordinance, [00:47:42] they are allowed to go anywhere a bicycle is allowed to go. [00:47:46] Thank you. [00:47:47] Mr. Romanoli, did the DRC talk at all [00:47:52] about the test drive thing? [00:47:55] I understand the concern about doing test drives [00:47:59] on the sidewalk on Main Street, [00:48:01] but right behind their building is Railroad Square [00:48:05] and some fairly large parking lots [00:48:07] that tend to be open, empty during the day. [00:48:10] We just felt, again, [00:48:13] an inexperienced driver on the scooter [00:48:17] would be unsafe in any place. [00:48:19] So while there was discussion of that, [00:48:22] we didn't really discuss where a test drive would occur. [00:48:26] I would agree with that out back, [00:48:27] would be a perfect spot. [00:48:28] I second that, [00:48:29] because that's where I was thinking of maybe [00:48:31] doing some of these tutorials, [00:48:33] if either inside the building, [00:48:34] because I don't know if you've been [00:48:35] to the establishment outside. [00:48:38] Right now it's hard to imagine [00:48:39] because there's kayaks everywhere, [00:48:41] but if this is approved and if I can move in there, [00:48:44] a lot of those kayaks would be moved [00:48:45] and I would have a much larger space. [00:48:48] So somebody that was on the 12, 13-year-old side [00:48:53] that was a little unsure, [00:48:54] because we're more than willing to do tutorials [00:48:57] inside or in the back. [00:48:58] I don't think doing them out in the front [00:49:01] on the sidewalk would be a responsible place [00:49:04] to teach anybody anything. [00:49:07] Now, again, I can sit here and tell you how easy they are, [00:49:10] but that's because I can do it, right? [00:49:15] I mean, my kids can do it. [00:49:16] My other friends' children can do it, [00:49:18] but that doesn't mean, like what Mr. Starkey said, [00:49:20] yeah, I mean, it is not a bicycle [00:49:23] and maybe the sidewalks aren't the place to teach somebody [00:49:28] and I completely agree with that. [00:49:32] Mayor? [00:49:34] I mean, I'd love to see this work too [00:49:35] and I like the idea of having a designated area [00:49:37] where you can test ride it, that kind of thing. [00:49:41] My concern is, and I was a young boy [00:49:44] and I can tell you, I'd probably do it. [00:49:47] I'd be riding that thing around, jump a curb [00:49:49] and that'd be my scare, jumping in the curb [00:49:51] and going out into traffic and get hit, [00:49:55] being young like that. [00:49:56] So that's really my concern. [00:49:58] You know, we can do this two ways. [00:49:59] We can say, hey, let's let them do it [00:50:01] and then we have to deal with the consequences [00:50:03] and make changes later or possibly look at it [00:50:07] and make some rules or something ahead of time to offset. [00:50:10] I just, I would hate to, I would just say, yeah, go for it [00:50:14] and then something happened [00:50:15] and then I'd almost feel responsible [00:50:16] if someone got hit. [00:50:19] What about accompanied minors? [00:50:21] I mean, I think it's a little scary [00:50:23] to have a parent bring in a 12-year-old [00:50:27] and say, here, go for a tour of the town. [00:50:30] Are you anticipating that someone would be an adult [00:50:33] that would be with a child? [00:50:34] Yeah, I anticipate families. [00:50:37] I don't anticipate 12, 13, 14-year-olds [00:50:40] which they wouldn't get rented to anyway [00:50:42] without a parent's permission. [00:50:43] But I foresee young families coming [00:50:46] and having the father rent the one wheel [00:50:50] which is a little more difficult, let's say, [00:50:51] but the wife and the children would be on the scooters [00:50:54] and then you would have a family day [00:50:55] of downtown Newport Ridgey. [00:50:57] What I don't foresee is something like, [00:51:00] I'm using Bird and Lime in Tampa [00:51:02] because that's our neighboring city. [00:51:05] There's no regulations with that particular company [00:51:08] in the city which they're going through some fits right now [00:51:11] because of the way Bird and Lime [00:51:13] operate their scooter company. [00:51:15] But again, that's a scooter share company [00:51:17] that they leave their scooters out in the open. [00:51:20] Right, I don't want that here. [00:51:22] I don't want, if you don't approve me, that's fine. [00:51:27] But I don't want to see a Bird or a Lime coming in here [00:51:31] and just dumping scooters [00:51:33] and then you're going to have to fight to get them out. [00:51:34] You will eventually, but then people are going to love them. [00:51:38] You know, I want to be able to work with the city. [00:51:42] I want to do this correctly. [00:51:43] I want your permission. [00:51:44] And I will follow any regulations that you foresee. [00:51:49] City of Fort Lauderdale, I have their ordinance. [00:51:52] They were the first city in Florida to approve this, [00:51:56] where the city and the scooter companies [00:51:58] are working together. [00:51:59] Again, a little different because they're scooter shares, [00:52:03] but they were able to figure it out [00:52:05] and the city's tourism skyrocket, skyrocket. [00:52:09] Now, Fort Lauderdale is much larger [00:52:11] than downtown New Port Richey. [00:52:12] I'm not going to tell you [00:52:14] you're going to see 100% increase, [00:52:16] but I can say within six to seven months, [00:52:19] you're going to see a large influx of people [00:52:20] that are going to be on my scooters [00:52:22] that are going to be able to visit other businesses. [00:52:25] Mr. Mayor, one more question, if I may. [00:52:26] Your liability waiver is the customer waiving liability [00:52:32] just for medical payments that they may incur [00:52:36] for injuries while they're riding it [00:52:37] and property damage liability? [00:52:39] Yes, property and personal injury. [00:52:42] And that's also the insurance policy that I have, sir. [00:52:45] Insurance agent. [00:52:46] And the issue I have is if someone runs this scooter [00:52:49] into the broadside of some car [00:52:51] that's parked in a parking lot, [00:52:53] they could say, well, I don't have any money. [00:52:54] What are you going to do? [00:52:55] You're going to say, at least I've signed [00:52:56] a property damage liability waiver. [00:52:58] It's not on me. [00:52:59] Correct. [00:53:00] Then that guy's, the owner of that vehicle [00:53:01] is stuck with their deductible [00:53:02] if they have full coverage to get their car repaired. [00:53:06] Once again, I want this to work, but that's a concern. [00:53:08] Right, but like I said, E-CARB LLC is insured as well [00:53:12] for that with a million dollar liability policy [00:53:15] for property and for... [00:53:18] Right, you're just telling me they're signing a waiver. [00:53:20] Waiver liability for them. [00:53:21] But like I said, I'm also covered, [00:53:23] or the company is actually covered, sir. [00:53:25] So if something like that were to happen, [00:53:26] I'd want to see a copy of this policy [00:53:28] before a second reading, [00:53:29] if we were to approve something this evening [00:53:30] stating that you are assuming liability [00:53:32] for property damage from those scooters. [00:53:33] Absolutely, absolutely. [00:53:35] Then I move for approval for the sales [00:53:37] and the rental of the scooters in downtown New Port Richey. [00:53:40] And test drives. [00:53:42] They have to do test drives if they've never ridden them, [00:53:44] preferably out back. [00:53:46] But I would like to regulate [00:53:47] that they're not ridden at nighttime after dusk [00:53:50] and that anyone under the age of 18 [00:53:52] is accompanied by an adult. [00:53:53] I have a motion. [00:53:55] I'll second. [00:53:56] I'll motion. [00:53:57] To the maker. [00:53:57] Nothing further, this is first reading. [00:53:59] I want a copy of the liability insurance [00:54:01] so we can have our city attorney go through that [00:54:05] and make, I want to be sure [00:54:06] that you're assuming property damage liability. [00:54:07] If someone wants to ride the scooter at their risk, [00:54:09] if they get hurt, it's on them. [00:54:11] I get that. [00:54:11] Absolutely. [00:54:12] You understand my concern there, right? [00:54:14] That was my concern as well. [00:54:15] That's why I wasn't doing this [00:54:17] until my LLC is covered with property [00:54:21] and personal liability, [00:54:23] which is very, very expensive. [00:54:25] This wasn't an easy find. [00:54:27] But I do have a company willing to write me a policy. [00:54:29] I have a motion on the floor. [00:54:30] Can I ask for clarification, Mr. Mayor, of the motion? [00:54:34] So one of the conditions will be [00:54:35] that the applicant maintain liability insurance. [00:54:39] Property damage liability. [00:54:40] Property damage liability. [00:54:42] And another condition, [00:54:45] I don't know if you made this a condition, [00:54:46] so I would suggest that you do, [00:54:48] is that all test drives or training, [00:54:51] that no test drives or training take place on Main Street [00:54:53] or the public sidewalk or right of way of Main Street. [00:54:57] Is that something you would agree to add to the motion? [00:55:00] Yeah, just if you could acknowledge that in a second. [00:55:02] Could acknowledge that in a second as well. [00:55:05] To the second. [00:55:06] Yeah, you know, it's always scary [00:55:09] to have us make a decision [00:55:11] that we find maybe we'll see something tragic happen. [00:55:16] When I was mayor many years ago, [00:55:18] someone was riding a skateboard across Van Buren [00:55:23] and died headed to the rec center. [00:55:26] Children are riding these small mini motorcycles. [00:55:31] I've seen kids on the street. [00:55:32] Luckily we have about the best police patrol [00:55:35] anywhere in the county. [00:55:38] And so, you know, I'm with the deputy mayor [00:55:45] in saying let's give it a shot. [00:55:48] I will have a question I'd like to get answered [00:55:51] before I vote as to the ability for us [00:55:55] to revisit this if we find that it's not working. [00:55:58] In other words, you're saying [00:56:00] that this is gonna be workable. [00:56:03] I'd like to understand the procedure for us to undo this [00:56:07] if in fact we do it before I vote. [00:56:10] Yeah, the conditional use, if you approve it, [00:56:12] will be something that he'll be allowed to do. [00:56:15] And I think it's important for the applicant to note [00:56:18] that the statute gives the city the right [00:56:21] to regulate these devices and where they can be driven. [00:56:25] So you still will have that authority. [00:56:27] And if you ban them on sidewalks or city streets [00:56:30] or anywhere in the city, [00:56:32] then he's gonna have to conduct his business [00:56:35] without violating that ordinance. [00:56:37] He's not gonna be given some kind of an exemption [00:56:39] for that ordinance. [00:56:39] So I think that needs to be made clear to the applicant [00:56:42] that you may be building a business [00:56:43] that might have some restrictions placed on the items [00:56:47] that are pertinent to that business. [00:56:49] And Mr. Driscoll, when I verbally made the motion, [00:56:52] I said electric scooters. [00:56:53] I did not say, I did not include one-wheels. [00:56:55] I saw the one-wheels. [00:56:57] Those are much, in my opinion, less dangerous. [00:57:00] So I would like to include those as well. [00:57:03] That's the ordinance. [00:57:04] The conditional use will approve [00:57:06] both of those types of devices. [00:57:07] So the conditions will apply to all of the devices [00:57:11] that he either rents or sells. [00:57:14] Mr. Murphy, anything? [00:57:15] Could we also get a copy of your safety program? [00:57:19] Absolutely. [00:57:19] Of what you have, so we can look at that too. [00:57:21] Absolutely. [00:57:21] I'm still working on that [00:57:22] because I wanted to see where this was going. [00:57:24] But just to reiterate that every person that rents [00:57:27] one of our mobility devices will receive safety gear. [00:57:32] That's another step that we're taking [00:57:34] that no one else is taking. [00:57:38] Just, oh. [00:57:38] Okay, that kind of relieves my concern too [00:57:40] about the whole 18, you know, under 18, [00:57:43] they have to be accompanied by somebody at least older. [00:57:46] So I mean, that kind of relieves me on that part. [00:57:48] So I think that's fine. [00:57:50] I do have a question about what you asserted [00:57:52] and what isn't in our motion, [00:57:54] which is that they would be returned to your shop. [00:57:57] And that promise was made. [00:58:00] Do we need to incorporate it into this? [00:58:03] You certainly can. [00:58:05] I can suggest something, if that's okay. [00:58:08] Just going off of what Fort Lauderdale had done. [00:58:11] In other words, if one of their customers [00:58:13] didn't put their scooter into a, it's called a corral. [00:58:17] They have designated corrals. [00:58:18] We're not doing that here. [00:58:20] But what they do, and I can't believe I'm saying this, [00:58:23] it doesn't really, it's not advantageous for me, [00:58:25] but if the police officers, let's say they find a scooter [00:58:28] that's abandoned in the park or what have you, [00:58:33] then I would be fined. [00:58:35] I would personally be fined for not having that. [00:58:37] Thank you. [00:58:39] I'd like to amend the motion. [00:58:40] So daylight hours change, obviously, throughout the year. [00:58:43] Can we amend the motion to say [00:58:44] that they need to be returned to your shop, [00:58:46] which, by the way, I love your shop. [00:58:48] I'm glad it's open down time. [00:58:49] Wish you much success. [00:58:51] By sunset, by the time the sun hits the horizon. [00:58:56] What time of year? [00:58:56] I mean, you can't really put a time, [00:58:57] because it changes. [00:58:58] Are you okay with that? [00:58:59] Second, okay. [00:59:03] The dusk. [00:59:03] We'll say dusk. [00:59:04] Yeah, I was thinking dusk. [00:59:05] I don't, I mean. [00:59:06] Yeah, that's typically what it is. [00:59:08] Sunset, dusk, dusk, is it up for discussion? [00:59:11] Sunset. [00:59:12] Yeah, I don't know how to word that, sir. [00:59:14] I was thinking. [00:59:15] A lot of times what we use is a half hour after sunset. [00:59:19] Half hour after sunset, perfect. [00:59:19] Because the sun, you can determine. [00:59:20] I'm absolutely fine with that. [00:59:21] Mr. Davis, I brought this up a month or two ago. [00:59:27] I've seen total abuse of it downtown, [00:59:29] and I've not only the scooters, [00:59:33] but the power skateboards, and I am not for this. [00:59:36] I just, we've got too much people dining on the sidewalks. [00:59:39] We've got, I've just seen too much of abuse already [00:59:41] before you even brought one in town. [00:59:44] So I'm not for it. [00:59:48] Comments, discussion? [00:59:52] Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion, [00:59:55] please signify by saying aye. [00:59:57] Aye. Aye. [00:59:58] Opposed, light sign. [01:00:00] Hi. Motion passes four to one on first reading. [01:00:04] There will be a second reading on that, Mr. Mayor. [01:00:06] Yes. With an updated ordinance.

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14. 8.e

    First Reading, Ordinance No. 2019-2158: Amendments to Police Pension Ordinance RE: IRC Changes

    approved

    Council approved on first reading Ordinance 2019-2158, amending the police officer's retirement system to comply with recent Internal Revenue Code changes and state litigation, and to correct typographical errors. An actuarial evaluation confirmed no cost from adoption.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2158

    • motion:Move to approve Ordinance 2019-2158 on first reading. (passed)

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    [01:00:10] Correct. Next is first reading ordinance 2019-21-58. [01:00:14] Ordinance number 2019-21-58, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, [01:00:18] providing for amendment of Article 4 of Chapter 17 of the Code of Ordinances [01:00:22] of the City of New Port Richey pertaining to the police officer's retirement system. [01:00:26] Providing for amendment of subsection H of section 17-65 pertaining to the $10,000 maximum pension. [01:00:32] Providing for amendment of section 17-65.2 pertaining to miscellaneous provisions [01:00:37] by adding subsection J there to providing for missing benefit recipients. [01:00:41] Providing for amendment of subsection F of section 17-65.13 pertaining to general provisions [01:00:47] in the deferred retirement option plan. [01:00:49] Providing for repeal of paragraph 8 thereof pertaining to a sheet of dropped benefits. [01:00:53] Providing for codification. [01:00:54] Providing for severability of provisions. [01:00:56] Repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith and providing an effective date. [01:01:00] Yes, ma'am. [01:01:01] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. [01:01:03] The purpose of this ordinance is to bring into compliance the police pension ordinance [01:01:11] as it relates to some recent changes in the Internal Revenue Code as well as a result [01:01:20] of some litigation that has occurred in the state relating to this matter. [01:01:24] And also to correct a couple of typographical errors as I indicated to you [01:01:29] in my communication of October 1st. [01:01:31] There are three specific changes being recommended in section related [01:01:39] to the maximum pension, the miscellaneous provisions, and also the drop program as part [01:01:50] of the staff's recommendation to you on this matter. [01:01:53] An actuarian evaluation was conducted and it has been confirmed [01:01:59] that there would be no cost associated with the adoption of the proposed ordinance. [01:02:05] Therefore, the recommendation before you this evening is [01:02:09] to approve at first reading the proposed ordinance. [01:02:14] Open up for public comment. [01:02:17] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [01:02:20] Move for approval. [01:02:23] Second. [01:02:24] To the maker. [01:02:25] Nothing. [01:02:25] Second. [01:02:26] Nothing. [01:02:27] Mr. Altman, Deputy Mayor. [01:02:30] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:02:33] Aye. [01:02:34] Opposed, like sign. [01:02:35] Motion passes. [01:02:36] Next, appeal of order to demolish 5242 Bougainvillea.

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15. 9.a

    Appeal of Order to Demolish: 5242 Bougenville Drive

    approved

    Council heard a quasi-judicial appeal of a July 9, 2019 condemnation/demolition order for the structure at 5242 Bougenville Drive. The prospective buyer presented a contractor's repair proposal of approximately $23,064.30, including removal of a damaged rear addition. Council approved the appeal with conditions: building permit must be applied for within 30 days and obtained within 45 days, construction completed within 9 months, and the project must meet NFIP/floodplain 50% rule requirements or demolition will proceed.

    • motion:Move for approval of the appeal of the demolition order, with conditions that a building permit be applied for within 30 days, obtained within 45 days, and construction completed within 9 months, or demolition will proceed. (passed)

    📍5242 Bougenville Drive👤Brent Venderly👤Greg Gordillo👤Jeff👤Laura Gordillo👤Marvin Dryden👤Melanie👤Ms. Mance#50% rule (FEMA floodplain)#July 9, 2019 condemnation order#National Flood Insurance Program

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    [01:02:46] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. [01:02:47] This is a quasi-judicial hearing. [01:02:50] The appeal is from an order to demolish a structure, [01:02:56] and we do have a PowerPoint presentation prepared, which we would like to share [01:03:02] with you before advancing the recommendation in this respect. [01:03:08] Thank you, Ms. Mance. [01:03:09] This is, as Ms. Mance said, appeal of a condemnation order. [01:03:14] This property is located south of Marine Parkway. [01:03:17] East of US 19. [01:03:19] So on July 9th, 2019, the building official determined that the structure is [01:03:24] substantially destroyed or poses an immediate and manifest danger to life, [01:03:29] health, safety of the general public or the occupant. [01:03:32] The structure is so unsanitary or so utterly fails to provide the amenities [01:03:37] for decent living that is manifestly unfit for human habitation and the [01:03:41] condition of the structure or portion thereof poses an immediate threat to [01:03:46] the life or property by fire or other causes. [01:03:49] At this point, I want to introduce our building official, Marvin Dryden, [01:03:52] who's new to our staff. [01:03:53] Marvin, can you stand up? [01:03:55] And he's here for any technical questions you may have on this demolition. [01:03:58] We're very happy to have Marvin. [01:04:00] He has lots and lots of experience. [01:04:01] Thank you, Marvin. [01:04:03] So actually, he did not condemn the building. [01:04:04] It was his predecessor, but he's here to talk about it if we need him to speak. [01:04:09] These are some pictures of the building. [01:04:11] The real damage is on the back. [01:04:12] This is the front of the building. [01:04:14] As you can see, the back part of the building, the roof has collapsed. [01:04:17] It is exposed. [01:04:20] It is a danger to the public. [01:04:23] And with that exposure of the roof, the entire building is going to get more [01:04:27] and more dilapidated and need repairs right away. [01:04:34] So the demolition process is once a property is condemned, the owners and [01:04:38] all interested parties are informed of the condemnation. [01:04:41] Owners are given 30 days to appeal the demolition order and 60 days or 60 [01:04:46] days to demolish the building themselves. [01:04:48] If it's not done within 60 days, the city will demolish the structure, [01:04:52] lean the property, and eventually could foreclose on the demolition lien. [01:04:57] The owners of this property have appealed the demolition and they have [01:05:01] based a claim on the ability to repair the structure, which is [01:05:04] attached in your documents. [01:05:06] They submitted a contractor's proposal of $23,064.30 for repairs. [01:05:13] The building official reviewed the plans and ruled when completed would take the [01:05:17] building out of the condemnation determination. [01:05:21] Because of that, we are recommending to the city council that the appeal be [01:05:23] approved, but mandate that the permit be applied for within 30 days for repairs [01:05:29] and approved within 45 days. [01:05:32] Additionally, mandate that the construction be completed within nine [01:05:35] months of permit approval, and if any of these steps are not completed, the [01:05:39] demolition of the building will proceed. [01:05:44] Thank you. [01:05:45] This is quasi-judicial. [01:05:48] If the applicant is here and wishes to speak, feel free. [01:05:57] If you come down to the podium, please. [01:06:03] Hi, my name is Brent Venderly. [01:06:05] I actually have Greg Gordillo on the telephone, on speaker. [01:06:11] They live in Texas, him and his mother, Laura. [01:06:15] I'm the one that would actually be purchasing the property and then renovating it. [01:06:21] Then Jeff is the contractor that would be pulling the permits and doing some of the work. [01:06:30] Any questions you may have or anything you would like to ask me? [01:06:33] All right, if you want to stay right there at the front, any substantially affected [01:06:38] parties wish to address council? [01:06:42] Anyone else wish to address council? [01:06:46] Seeing no one else come forward, bring it back to council. [01:06:50] A couple of questions. [01:06:51] Yes, sir. [01:06:52] What flood zones is located in? [01:06:58] My county has a line drawn through it. [01:07:00] I look at tax rolls daily. [01:07:01] That means it's close. [01:07:03] Normally it means the flood zone needs to be researched by our underwriters, so I need [01:07:06] to know that because to me this looks like it's more than 50 percent damage. [01:07:10] If it's in an A zone and they want to repair it, if it's more than 50 percent, they have [01:07:14] to elevate above the base flood elevation. [01:07:16] That is very pertinent to this. [01:07:19] What did you say the repair cost is estimated at? [01:07:22] A little over $23,000. [01:07:25] And how long has it sat like this? [01:07:27] That is a good question. [01:07:29] I do not know how long it's been in that status. [01:07:33] You don't know when it burned? [01:07:34] It did not burn. [01:07:35] Code enforcement referred. [01:07:36] It didn't burn? [01:07:36] No. [01:07:37] What the heck happened to the back roof? [01:07:39] It's water damage came through the roof and then collapsed the roof into the room. [01:07:46] The love of God, I mean, it looked to me like the whole back of the house burned. [01:07:49] Can you bring those photos back up, please? [01:07:51] If there's something, may I comment? [01:07:53] Of course. [01:07:54] So I agree that if it is in a flood zone, so the 50 percent rule does apply there. [01:08:03] And I do agree that these pictures here show this back room that would, if we were to repair [01:08:11] that, then that would definitely put it over the budget. [01:08:15] So what we have proposed is that we tear that back room off. [01:08:19] It was an addition to begin with. [01:08:21] So that would be tore off and the house would be back to its original building, basically. [01:08:28] And then that would just become a patio. [01:08:30] And this is staff's job. [01:08:31] You guys need to know this. [01:08:32] If it's in a flood zone, we need to know the replacement cost value of that building. [01:08:36] And we need to know if this is within 50 percent of that replacement cost. [01:08:38] We have obligations to the National Flood Insurance Program. [01:08:42] Y'all should have this. [01:08:43] The city. [01:08:44] Mr. Dryden is a sort of flight foot plane manager and is part of the permitting process. [01:08:49] So if he couldn't get a permit because of the 50 percent rule, then he would not meet the [01:08:54] requirements of the appeal. [01:08:56] So that's part of the review process when it comes through. [01:08:59] And if it didn't meet the 50 percent rule, if then he chose to raise the building above the [01:09:05] flood zone, that's part of his option. [01:09:07] But that's part of the review process once we start the review. [01:09:11] I was told by Maggie, who was the, and I apologize, I forget her last name, maybe Greg [01:09:16] knows. I was, when I spoke to her, she told me that the value for coming in under the 50 [01:09:23] percent rule was $26,000 and some change. [01:09:30] Melanie, yes, sorry. [01:09:35] Anything else? [01:09:36] Not for now. [01:09:37] Mr. Davis, when is your proposed purchase? [01:09:42] The proposed purchase would be within probably three weeks of a waiving of the demolition order. [01:09:50] So it's, my purchase is contingent upon this process. [01:09:54] Would it be contingent on whether we meet the flood requirements and the 50 percent rule and all [01:09:59] that also, wouldn't it? [01:10:01] Yes, but like I said, when I spoke to Maggie initially, Melanie, I apologize, yes, Melanie. [01:10:08] I don't know why I have Maggie in my head. [01:10:11] When I spoke to her initially, she said it was $26,000 and some change. [01:10:16] And I then looked at the assessed value myself. [01:10:19] And, you know, that's, I'm not the official from the city. [01:10:24] Right, exactly. [01:10:24] Assessed value is not replacement cost value, it's 50 percent of replacement cost value. [01:10:27] And we're, we get discounted flood rates because we adhere to these guidelines. [01:10:32] I know you know that. [01:10:33] Absolutely, and forgive me, Councilman, we'll make sure to include those figures in future appeals. [01:10:38] But, you know, one of the things is that the number that Melanie gave you is a rough approximation [01:10:43] because not everything in the construction cost is included in the construction amount [01:10:47] to determine the 50 percent value of repairs. [01:10:50] So it's more, it's more complicated than just a straight, it costs $26,000 and the replacement cost is 52. [01:10:58] It's a little bit more nuanced than that. [01:11:01] So that was an approximation number that Melanie gave you. [01:11:04] Okay. [01:11:05] Are we putting the horse before the carriage here to some degree? [01:11:09] Are we trying to say this property, we don't have all the facts? [01:11:12] We do have all the facts. [01:11:13] He has appealed. [01:11:14] He's going to have to go to the permit. [01:11:16] If the permit's not approved, then the building will be, the building will be demolished. [01:11:21] I'm sure that has an impact on whether or not you follow through with the purchase of the property, correct? [01:11:24] Correct. [01:11:25] Yes, definitely. [01:11:26] That's what I'm saying. [01:11:27] So, I mean, are you going to purchase it with the chance that it may have to be demolished? [01:11:32] No. [01:11:33] You're not? [01:11:33] No, it's contingent upon the demolish. [01:11:35] And that's why we, that's why I, you know, that's why we planned, the pictures are gone, but that's why we planned to do what we did. [01:11:44] When we went through the budget and the timeframe, you know, I would rather save that and have more square footage and be able to sell it for a higher price. [01:11:54] But I'm all, I'm all personally, I'm all for repairing it. [01:11:57] I can't believe that that's existing in our city right now. [01:11:59] It makes me sick in my stomach to look at that. [01:12:01] Yeah. [01:12:01] But like I said, I mean, whether or not you buy it and renovate it is pertinent on whether or not it's within that 50 percent rule. [01:12:09] So I'm not sure if you want us to take action now and then you can decide once you get. [01:12:14] Is the 50 percent rule a simple calculation? [01:12:17] It is a calculation that our building official could make easily. [01:12:20] It's not something we want to do right now. [01:12:22] So can we get back to what we have to do, please? [01:12:25] Mr. Alvin, you're up. [01:12:27] I'm sorry. [01:12:28] Yeah. So this picture is of the back and all the damage. [01:12:32] Do we have photographs of the condition of the rest of the house? [01:12:35] Or did you just take the bad part here? [01:12:37] So he's telling me this is coming out. [01:12:39] So I don't know that this is the reason why I was condemned because it was because of that back addition. [01:12:44] So the answer is no. [01:12:47] There we don't have pictures of the rest. [01:12:49] We have the front of the house. [01:12:51] There's broken windows around the house and water has been going in it. [01:12:54] Well, can we. [01:12:54] I don't buy it. [01:12:55] Not being presented here. [01:12:59] I'm sorry, I'm not looking for testimony. [01:13:01] I guess what I'm trying to get to is that, you know, when I'm trying to follow the deputy mayor's conversation and you're looking to remove a part of the property that is being valued and say you're not going to rebuild that, then what was a $50,000 house is now without that probably let's say it's a $40,000 house. [01:13:20] And if you're only trying to replace put $25,000 in a $40,000 house, then you're over 50 percent. [01:13:27] So I'm not so sure who calculates or how they calculate it. [01:13:30] But if this is going to flood, you know, in 50 years, this is going to be underwater. [01:13:35] So, I mean, I understand. [01:13:40] I understand what you're asking. [01:13:43] But I'm I'm at a loss to be able to make a decision with all this confusion, frankly. [01:13:49] Once again, let me try to not sound confusing so everybody can follow me. [01:13:53] We can't go on properties. [01:13:55] We're a part, City of New Port Richey, Pasco County and New Port Richey are part of the National Flood Insurance Program. [01:13:59] There are guidelines we have to adhere by to be part of that program. [01:14:02] We get discounted flood premiums because we're part of that program. [01:14:05] So the City of New Port Richey got in quite a bit of trouble for allowing construction below the base flood on homes when they were doing renovations more than 50 percent. [01:14:15] I just want to be sure that we were trusting staff that we're not going down that road. [01:14:21] We need to know what the replacement cost. [01:14:22] You need to know what the replacement cost value is of the building and get the estimates for the for the renovations. [01:14:29] If that's less than 50 percent, we're good within the guidelines and FIP. [01:14:33] I'd love to see it renovated. [01:14:34] But my question is, what is the what is the valuation we're beginning to start with? [01:14:41] And does that include the part that they're going to take away? [01:14:44] So can you always just cut half the house off and say, I don't need to fix that. [01:14:48] I'll just fix this. [01:14:48] And I'm under the house fixing up more than half. [01:14:55] The the the requirement is in Mr. [01:14:59] Roman only. [01:15:00] accurately, is that the condition that they're asking you to put on this is that there be [01:15:05] a building permit applied for within 30 days, and although it says approved, I would actually [01:15:11] change that to obtained within 45 days, and that permit won't be issued unless it meets [01:15:17] all of flood damage requirements of the city. [01:15:20] So that's inherent in the granting of that permit, and regardless of how the starting [01:15:25] point is or what the end point is, he's going to have to meet all the requirements. [01:15:29] It's up to staff to implement those requirements, or that permit will not be issued, and if [01:15:34] the permit cannot be issued, as the approval is framed as suggested by the DRC, you're [01:15:42] going to, or the building official, you're going to condemn this structure at the end [01:15:47] of that period if he doesn't meet those requirements. [01:15:50] My question is, can you take a part of a building that's part of its value and then turn around [01:15:55] and say, forget that, but I'm going to use its value and get half of its value, but [01:16:00] not fix it all, and say I've spent more than half? [01:16:03] I don't know if you all are following my mathematical question. [01:16:05] No, and that gets into the current appraisal of the property. [01:16:08] Well, of the part that is going to be saved, I mean, the value of a porch that's not got [01:16:15] a roof on it. [01:16:16] That gets into the intricacies of implementing the flood regulations, and there are a lot [01:16:22] of guidelines that are provided by FEMA on how to go about doing that, and it's incumbent [01:16:30] upon the building official to follow those guidelines as the floodplain manager and make [01:16:35] sure that those are incorporated. [01:16:36] So there are standards that are set forth for all those issues. [01:16:38] Then I move for approval of the appeal. [01:16:40] Second. [01:16:41] To the maker? [01:16:44] Nothing further. [01:16:45] Second. [01:16:46] Well, good luck. [01:16:47] Hopefully it works out. [01:16:48] Thank you. [01:16:49] I would appreciate a lesson when you all figure out how you calculated this, just so I'll [01:16:57] know in the future in case somebody asks me if they can do this. [01:17:01] And I think I'd like that information, too, because this is definitely down in the weeds

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16. 9.b

    Request for Funding for Cultural Affairs Committee RE: Sculpture Walk

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    Council approved a Cultural Affairs Committee proposal for a sculpture walk around Sims Park and Orange Lake, featuring eight juried sculptures on poured-concrete pads with the theme 'Happiness Is.' Funding approved was $8,600 from the Cultural Affairs Committee budget and $4,000 from the Public Art Fund in FY19-20, plus $2,400 in the following fiscal year. Applications are due Jan 31, 2020, with installation March 2-4, 2020 and display for one year.

    • motion:Approve the art sculpture walk in Sims Park and around Orange Lake, funded at $8,600 from the Cultural Affairs Committee budget and $4,000 from the Public Art Fund in FY19-20, with $2,400 from Cultural Affairs in the following fiscal year. (passed)

    📍Orange Lake📍Sims Park🏢Cultural Affairs Committee👤Allman👤Davis👤Hoffman👤Ms. Smith👤Rich Milton#Public Art Fund#Sculpture Walk#Theme: Happiness Is

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    [01:17:06] when we start talking about these things. [01:17:08] I haven't calculated it yet. [01:17:09] Just a clarification, Mr. Hoffman, if I may. [01:17:10] The way I interpret it, and I work in the building department, it's not based on what [01:17:13] that building value is on the tax rolls, not based on an appraisal, it's based on the reconstruction [01:17:18] cost to build the building as is, ground floor, square footage, as is today, based [01:17:24] on building cost today, you can't exceed more than 50% of that. [01:17:27] Right. [01:17:28] It's a replacement value. [01:17:29] Mr. Davis? [01:17:30] Nothing. [01:17:31] Any further discussion? [01:17:34] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:17:38] Aye. [01:17:39] Opposed, like sign. [01:17:41] Motion passes. [01:17:42] Good luck. [01:17:43] Thank you. [01:17:44] I have a question for later. [01:17:45] You? [01:17:46] Okay. [01:17:47] Thank you. [01:17:48] Next is a request for funding for the Cultural Affairs Committee regarding a sculpture walk. [01:17:54] Yes, sir. [01:17:56] Mr. Mayor, Ms. Smith is prepared to present this item to you this evening. [01:18:02] Thank you. [01:18:03] The recommendation before City Council is for approval of an art sculpture walk around [01:18:08] Sims Park in Orange Lake. [01:18:10] This is a Cultural Affairs Committee project and they are recommending eight sculptures [01:18:14] located within the park. [01:18:16] The locations of the sculptures are identified on the map that's included in your agenda [01:18:22] packet. [01:18:23] These are approximate locations. [01:18:25] There will be some slight adjustment based on the utility locate that we did receive. [01:18:33] Eight platforms for the sculpture displays will be poured concrete, measuring four feet [01:18:37] by four feet, and they will also be flushed to the ground so we're not creating any kind [01:18:41] of trip hazards when there is not a sculpture displayed there. [01:18:46] The application for the artist to submit their projects is also included in your packet for [01:18:51] your review. [01:18:53] The time frame will be as follows. [01:18:55] The recommendation is that applications would be due by January 31st of 2020 and then the [01:19:01] installation of the sculptures would take place March 2nd through the 4th of 2020. [01:19:07] Sculptures would be on display for one year with removal taking place in March of 2021 [01:19:13] and then the process would repeat with City Council's approval and new sculptures would [01:19:17] go on display in March of 2021. [01:19:21] The Cultural Affairs Committee will review all submissions and select the top eight sculptures [01:19:27] that meet the criteria as well as the theme and this year's theme has been recommended [01:19:32] as happiness is. [01:19:35] Once selected, the artist will be then required to mount their own sculpture to the designated [01:19:41] platform and they will be required to pass a safety inspection by City staff for public [01:19:47] safety. [01:19:49] The project will span over two fiscal years and the first fiscal year will include the [01:19:54] eight concrete platforms, artist stipend that they will be paid once they pass the safety [01:20:01] inspection and artist awards as well as marketing and opening reception. [01:20:07] And the second fiscal year is when we'll pay the artist their stipend and that is after [01:20:11] they remove their sculpture. [01:20:15] The recommendation before City Council is to approve the art sculpture walk in Sims [01:20:19] Park and around Orange Lake in the amount of $8,600 in fiscal year 19-20 from the Cultural [01:20:27] Affairs Committee budget as well as $4,000 in fiscal year 19-20 from the Public Art Fund [01:20:35] for the concrete platforms and then in the following fiscal year $2,400 from the Cultural [01:20:43] Affairs Budget. [01:20:45] Funding is available in both the Cultural Affairs Committee budget as well as the Public [01:20:48] Art Fund and the Cultural Affairs Committee Chair Rich Milton is present tonight in case [01:20:56] you have any questions of the committee. [01:20:58] Thank you. [01:20:59] I'll open it up for public comment. [01:21:04] Seeing no one walking towards the podium for public comment, we'll bring it back to Council. [01:21:11] For approval? [01:21:12] Second. [01:21:13] To the maker? [01:21:15] Just one question. [01:21:16] As far as the sculptures being out there and if they get damaged or something is it a liability [01:21:21] issue for anybody? [01:21:23] It is not. [01:21:24] It is in the agreement with the artist that the City and the Cultural Affairs Committee [01:21:29] neither have any responsibility for vandalism or damage. [01:21:32] The artist assumes all of that. [01:21:34] Thank you. [01:21:35] The only thing, I went to the Cultural Affairs Board meeting and there was some discussion [01:21:43] that we might be able to find cement pads that are less than $500 a piece. [01:21:52] Is that still possible? [01:21:54] We did go out for proposals and we received three quotes and this was the least expensive [01:22:01] of the quotes received. [01:22:04] I can't remember exactly as we got with Public Works about the thickness of the pads and [01:22:08] I believe it's six inches to be able to support the structure but we received three quotes [01:22:15] and this was the least expensive. [01:22:20] Deputy Mayor? [01:22:21] Mr. Mayor, if I could just point out one thing as well for the record that because this spans [01:22:27] over two fiscal years, you're not bound to that second spending in the next fiscal year [01:22:34] by your budgetary constraints. [01:22:36] You'd have to budget for that next year to make that come into fruition. [01:22:40] Just want to point that out to you. [01:22:41] Thank you very much. [01:22:42] It's a great thing to point out. [01:22:46] Deputy Mayor, any comments? [01:22:48] Yeah, I'm excited about it, a little nervous to see what the sculpture is going to look [01:22:52] like. [01:22:53] I'm sure they're going to be great. [01:22:54] Trust me. [01:22:55] Okay. [01:22:56] Anything else? [01:22:57] Mr. Allman? [01:22:58] No warm guns. [01:22:59] That's the old song. [01:23:07] That was actually not going to be my concern. [01:23:10] It was more if we were going to be having to slap concrete fig leaves on them like Michelangelo's [01:23:16] day. [01:23:17] That's kind of my point. [01:23:18] Thank you. [01:23:23] Any further discussion? [01:23:26] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:23:29] Aye. [01:23:30] Opposed? [01:23:31] Like sign. [01:23:32] Motion passes. [01:23:33] Next is Cultural Affairs Committee request for funding on Magical Musical Holiday. [01:23:41] And the Cultural Affairs Committee has programmed a very full day for December 21st of 2019. [01:23:48] And Ms. Smith will tell you about that in respect to the proposed use of funding. [01:23:53] Yes, thank you so much. [01:23:55] This request before City Council is to approve the recommendation again from the Cultural [01:24:00] Affairs Committee to fund the Magical Musical Holiday, all to take place on Saturday, December [01:24:07] 21st. [01:24:08] The Cultural Affairs Committee at their meeting recommended funding for this event, which [01:24:14] was built around the Florida Orchestra playing here in our city, up to a $12,000 figure. [01:24:20] We did come in less than that. [01:24:23] The event would include, as I said, the first time the Florida Orchestra would be performing [01:24:30] in the city of New Port Richey. [01:24:31] And it would be a 15-piece brass ensemble that's going to play holiday music. [01:24:38] And they will be performing at the community, I can never say this word, congregational [01:24:42] church, with overflow seating at Orange Lake. [01:24:46] And we'll have a video display board out there with seating, because the church only [01:24:51] holds 300 people. [01:24:52] So we'll accommodate people in Orange Lake. [01:24:56] Also, following the Florida Orchestra, because we don't have anything compete time for that, [01:25:02] the Florida Big Band will be performing in the gazebo in front of the Historical Society. [01:25:07] The Historical Society is excited about this opportunity. [01:25:11] That would follow the orchestra, as I said, and they would play from 3 to 6 p.m. [01:25:16] We would also have, at the same time going on, Santa would be on the boardwalk out at [01:25:20] Orange Lake, available for photos, and every child would receive a gift from Santa. [01:25:26] We have, this is a combination of the normal winter art festival that we do with the school [01:25:33] children, so children's art would be on display around Orange Lake from the local school children. [01:25:40] Music from local artists and students of Mullins Music would perform on a stage that we're [01:25:45] going to provide on Red Road Square, along with make-and-take-it crafts from Gateway [01:25:51] Gallery, and all these are free. [01:25:53] And then our own New Port Richey Library staff will be there to do a holiday craft. [01:25:58] This will all take place from 1 to 6. [01:26:00] The evening will end that night with one of our normal concerts in Sims Park, when Gary [01:26:05] West, who is a Johnny Cash tribute band, will take the stage at 7 p.m. [01:26:10] Cultural Affairs Committee feels that this is a wonderful event, a free family event, [01:26:15] and one of the last shopping days before the holiday. [01:26:19] Cultural Affairs Committee created this event to bring families to downtown for music, art, [01:26:24] shopping, food, and to create fun family memories. [01:26:28] The recommendation before City Council is to approve the recommendation from the Cultural [01:26:32] Affairs Committee to fund the magical musical holiday in the amount of $10,070. [01:26:39] Funding is available in the Cultural Affairs Committee budget for this fiscal year, 19-20. [01:26:45] And again, Rich Milton, the Chair, is still here if you have any questions for the committee. [01:26:51] Thank you. [01:26:52] I'll open it up for public comment. [01:26:55] Seeing no one coming forward, bring it back to Council. [01:26:58] Yes, sir. [01:26:59] So, I'm sure there's an obvious reason. [01:27:01] We can't do this in Sims Park at the bandstand, just in case of weather, or they didn't want [01:27:05] to do it, or not enough room on the... [01:27:07] The floor orchestra will not play outside. [01:27:10] Outside, perfect. [01:27:11] Could you please... [01:27:12] Yeah, could you come down, please? [01:27:14] And then my second comment is, if Santa's going to be there, why can't we call the magical

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17. 9.c

    Request for Funding for Cultural Affairs Committee RE: Magical Musical Holiday Event

    approved

    Council approved funding for the Cultural Affairs Committee's Magical Musical Holiday Event, with an amendment to rename it the 'Magical Musical Christmas Event.' Discussion included plans to pipe audio/video from the band shell event to Sims Park video boards via collaboration with IT and the Florida Orchestra.

    • motion:Move for approval of funding for the Magical Musical Holiday Event. (passed)
    • motion:Amend the motion to rename the event the 'Magical Musical Christmas Event.' (passed)

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    [01:27:19] musical Christmas event? [01:27:22] We try to avoid using the religious holiday terms, and anytime our department does anything [01:27:29] around, we call it a holiday. [01:27:30] We call it the River Lights Boat Parade or Christmas Parade. [01:27:33] That's not the City, though. [01:27:34] That's a private... [01:27:35] Is the City a sponsor on that, or no? [01:27:37] The City may provide some in-kind support. [01:27:40] I'm not sure. [01:27:41] I'll have to look on the list to see if they... [01:27:42] For the record, I wish it was called the magical musical Christmas event, however, [01:27:45] thank you for putting this on. [01:27:46] It's going to be awesome. [01:27:47] Awesome. [01:27:48] Just say yes. [01:27:49] Move for approval. [01:27:50] Second. [01:27:51] Question. [01:27:52] Given that we're going to have something going on at seven o'clock in the band shell, has [01:27:59] any consideration been given to also feeding the audio and video over to the Sims Park [01:28:07] Concert Circle? [01:28:08] We have discussed that. [01:28:09] I've discussed that with IT, and we are working to see if that could happen, because we literally [01:28:15] want to... [01:28:16] The idea of the Cultural Affairs Committee was to pipe music through the downtown, but [01:28:22] then it evolved to where we're going to have music on Railroad Square. [01:28:25] We would like to have the music and use the video boards in Sims Park from the Florida [01:28:32] Orchestra playing, so that's what we're working towards, yes. [01:28:36] Awesome. [01:28:37] We can do that. [01:28:39] We spent a small fortune on those video boards. [01:28:41] This seems to me to be the obvious opportunity to use it. [01:28:44] We'd love to do it. [01:28:45] We would love to do it. [01:28:46] Okay. [01:28:47] Any other comments? [01:28:48] Yeah, it all sounded real holiday until you said Johnny Cash. [01:28:52] Did he do a Christmas album? [01:28:53] I don't know. [01:28:54] Well, we have the museum over there. [01:28:57] He's got a Johnny Cash stand-up that you can come do selfies with if you so desire. [01:29:03] It's like... [01:29:04] It's dressed in black. [01:29:05] Yeah. [01:29:06] Whenever you... [01:29:07] Mr. Murphy, anything? [01:29:08] No. [01:29:09] Sounds good. [01:29:10] I would like to chime in, too. [01:29:11] You know, there's always been this sort of sense that you can't use the word Christmas. [01:29:16] I don't have... [01:29:18] I have to agree with, yeah, Councilman Starkey. [01:29:25] I'm thinking, they're not going to take our city away, are they? [01:29:28] No. [01:29:29] Not over something like this. [01:29:30] No. [01:29:31] Not over anything. [01:29:32] I appreciate the political correctness, but being on the side of political correctness [01:29:38] in the spectrum of things, it always makes me uncomfortable to feel like we can't say [01:29:44] the word Christmas, and I think we could, so I don't know why we can't. [01:29:48] It's a holiday. [01:29:49] We take the day off, but that's my two cents worth. [01:29:52] I will continue to be politically incorrect and wish people a Merry Christmas. [01:29:57] So can we amend this to call it that or no? [01:30:00] I think Christmas has been recognized by the Supreme Court as a non-religious type of holiday. [01:30:10] Okay. [01:30:11] Well, I'd like to amend the motion to call this the magical musical Christmas event. [01:30:20] Okay. [01:30:21] Thank you. [01:30:22] And you're okay with the second? [01:30:23] Yeah. [01:30:24] In that case, any further discussion? [01:30:26] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:30:30] Aye. [01:30:31] Opposed, like sign? [01:30:32] I think I'm going to test Santa showing up at my house. [01:30:35] Yeah, he'll be on the naughty list. [01:30:37] He'll be cold for sure. [01:30:39] He's been trying to get off the naughty list for some time. [01:30:41] Thank you, Jim. [01:30:42] With limited success, I understand. [01:30:44] I just want to say something. [01:30:45] I've been going to the Culture Affair Board for the past few months, and they're really starting to think outside of the box [01:30:50] and come up with some different ideas. [01:30:52] So, looking forward to seeing what they're going to do in the rest of the year or this coming budget year. [01:30:57] Museum. [01:30:58] Thank you for everything you and your committee are doing. [01:31:00] Yeah, you're clicking the fire, but you haven't got any wood yet. [01:31:06] Next is a discussion on continuance of street cafes in the downtown areas. [01:31:12] Ms. Mann. [01:31:13] Yes. [01:31:14] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [01:31:16] As I'm sure you will recall, the city adopted a program 18 months ago, [01:31:23] which provided an opportunity for dining decks to be established in the city's downtown area. [01:31:32] To date, we have one in place, and the owners of that establishment are with us this evening. [01:31:40] We have Chris and Lisa Bolster here. [01:31:44] Although there has been interest on the part of a second business in the downtown, The Social, [01:31:51] about establishing a similar space. [01:31:55] That being said, the program was adopted for an 18-month period of time as a pilot. [01:32:03] That time frame has elapsed, so it's now before you this evening to determine whether or not you would like to continue the program [01:32:12] in order to garner the public sentiment for this and the taste to continue the program. [01:32:22] A letter was sent to all of the downtown property owners. [01:32:26] A total of two responses were received, one from Jimmy's Restaurant, [01:32:35] the second from Mr. Gene Sullivan from Sullivan's Bar, [01:32:40] both of which expressed their interest in dissolution of the program from the staff's perspective. [01:32:52] It has been a good program, and we would like to see it continued. [01:32:56] Therefore, our recommendation to you is to continue the program. [01:33:00] Thank you. [01:33:01] I'm going to open it up for public comment. [01:33:13] John Cain, 6041 Florida Avenue. [01:33:17] When this first started, I was kind of a critic of it because it was something I certainly wasn't used to, [01:33:24] the location in the street, I had concerns. [01:33:28] But I have to tell you, I think I've sat there myself many nights. [01:33:33] I think it's brought a certain ambiance to that area. [01:33:39] The shop owners are lovely, and I would like to see it continue. [01:33:46] I think it's been a success. [01:33:48] I don't think there's anything been negative about it. [01:33:51] There's been no safety concerns, and it's nice. [01:33:56] I've heard comments. [01:33:58] I've had relatives come to town and sit there, and friends from New York have come down, [01:34:06] and they really think it's pretty cool, and I do too. [01:34:09] So as a citizen, that's my comment. [01:34:13] Thank you. [01:34:20] Frank Starkey, 5939 Grand Boulevard. [01:34:23] I didn't get the survey, but maybe I did, and I answered it and forgot all about it. [01:34:30] But I am a downtown business owner and a building owner, and I'm very much in support of it. [01:34:37] I would echo everything that John said about the concerns that a lot of people had about safety [01:34:46] have just not come to pass, and it's been a wonderful thing. [01:34:50] I love all of the sidewalks. [01:34:52] There's outdoor seating in many places kind of everywhere you look downtown, [01:34:57] and that's just sort of a sign of vibrancy. [01:34:59] I mean, from Village Pub and Sullivan's at one end to Johnny Grits on the other end

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    Continuance of Street Cafes in Downtown Areas

    approved

    Council discussed continuance of street cafes/dining decks (parklets) in the downtown area. Public comment included support and concerns about parking and operating hours. Council approved continuation of the program, with several members urging longer-term solutions including narrowing Grand Boulevard and widening sidewalks.

    • motion:Move for approval of continuance of street cafes/dining decks in downtown areas. (passed)

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    [01:35:05] and the Social has it on both sides of their building. [01:35:08] There's seating in front of Cody River. [01:35:12] There's usually some activity on Roses and SIP. [01:35:22] So I think it's a wonderful thing, and outdoor seating is something you could always use more of. [01:35:28] The dining deck, though, I will remind everybody that it was proposed as a temporary solution [01:35:36] to a problem that needs a much bigger approach, [01:35:41] which is that Grand Boulevard has unnecessary turn lanes in the middle of it [01:35:47] that make the street excessively wide and the sidewalks excessively narrow, [01:35:51] which really chokes off sidewalk life, and it's just not very good for those frontages there [01:36:00] compared to the Main Street side, which has much wider sidewalks. [01:36:05] So there was a discussion that, oh, yeah, we ought to look into narrowing Grand Boulevard, [01:36:12] or at least I said that, and I got a lot of nods back from you guys. [01:36:16] So far, 18 months later, I haven't seen anything. [01:36:20] I spoke with Ms. Manns the other day and asked her if there was anything, [01:36:24] and she said the idea hasn't gone away, but she's waiting for something. [01:36:29] I'll let her address that, but I just wanted to encourage the council and the city [01:36:37] to seriously take up the discussion about narrowing the travel lane. [01:36:42] There is enough pavement width. [01:36:45] The pavement width between the curbs on the outside of the parking lanes, [01:36:49] basically the face of the dining deck to the face of the parking on the other side, [01:36:55] that's the same width as the parking travel lanes and parking on Main Street [01:37:00] in front of Wrights and Get Outside. [01:37:04] So there's enough parking. [01:37:06] In other words, there's enough asphalt there to completely fill in the parking bays [01:37:11] where the dining deck is and move all of the parallel parking in there [01:37:16] and still have two lanes of travel going both directions. [01:37:20] In other words, the same cross-section that you have in front of your office [01:37:24] on the north section of Grand, north of Main. [01:37:27] That is all. Thank you. [01:37:28] Thank you. Anyone else? [01:37:32] Seeing no one else coming forward, I'm going to bring it back to Council. [01:37:39] I was wondering if you were going to come up. [01:37:41] I'm usually pretty quiet, but once again, I have nothing against the parking. [01:37:46] I think it's a great idea. [01:37:48] I don't believe they belong on the street. [01:37:51] Main Street is wide enough easily to put them on the sidewalk. [01:37:56] I mean, they're great for the business, everybody's, [01:37:59] but I just don't believe they belong on the street. [01:38:02] Number two, very important, is if you're going to have one, [01:38:05] you should have to be open at least six days and six nights a week. [01:38:09] Because by being closed, let's say you had four of them out there, [01:38:11] if you're closed seven days a week, that's 14 days. [01:38:14] I mean, 14 cars can't park there because you're closed during the daytime. [01:38:19] Or if you're closed two or three nights a week, same problem. [01:38:22] So if you're going to allow it, they've got to be open. [01:38:26] And as far as Jimmy, Jimmy didn't want to come. [01:38:29] He's too stressed out, so he's very upset about it. [01:38:34] But in the old days when Pete was around, [01:38:37] when the gentleman got shot over there by a GASB, [01:38:40] we had to enclose all of our parking areas because it was a police thing. [01:38:45] Or you had to hire off-duty police officers, you know, $20 an hour. [01:38:50] But that's why everybody's got to be enclosed right now. [01:38:53] But now the department don't allow it. [01:38:55] You know, you can have the parking thing. [01:38:56] But like I said, I'm all for it. [01:38:58] I think they're great. [01:38:59] I just don't think they belong on the street. [01:39:01] But they also need to be open more than, you know, three days a week or four days a week, whatever. [01:39:06] Thank you. [01:39:15] Hello. [01:39:18] So I have to rebut the comment about the days, the requirements of being open. [01:39:26] First of all, I don't dictate any other business and what hours they should be open. [01:39:31] The reason I'm open the hours I'm open are that I'm open for the times that I'm able to do business. [01:39:36] So the notion that 14 cars can't park, [01:39:42] I could take video footage or pictures of all the hours that I'm not open there [01:39:47] and all the open parking spots that remain on the street. [01:39:51] So the indication that because the parklet doesn't allow seating when I'm not there, [01:39:58] there's no relation between seating and cars parking if I'm closed. [01:40:05] Also, I'd like to point out the fact that my back parking lot is a private parking lot. [01:40:12] I want to say that there's at least 20-plus parking spots in that lot, [01:40:18] and I have no posted signs that indicate that I will tow anyone for parking in that lot. [01:40:24] So for the one spot that the parklet takes away, as Mr. Sullivan seems to think, [01:40:32] I allow about 20 cars to park in my back lot. [01:40:36] I pay rent for that. [01:40:37] It's not a tow zone. [01:40:39] There are people that recommend to me that I tow cars that are back there, and we don't. [01:40:45] We don't pursue it because my feeling is that in this city, we're trying to encourage people to, [01:40:51] first of all, it's supposed to be a walkable city. [01:40:53] So if people are going to walk, I want them to walk from my business. [01:40:56] I want them to then walk to the social. [01:40:58] Maybe they're going to walk down to Mr. Sullivan's establishment. [01:41:02] If I tow them when they park in my back parking lot, of course, I don't know where they're going. [01:41:07] So now I'm going to damage my relationship with that potential customer. [01:41:12] So I give about 20 spots to the one spot that the parklet sits on. [01:41:18] Also, I call it one spot because of the fact that we also designate golf cart parking at the end of it. [01:41:24] And publicly, I'd also just like to make a comment because Mr. Sullivan brought this topic up online [01:41:32] in a public forum on New Port Richey, next door to New Port Richey. [01:41:36] And in that forum, when he was complaining about the issue with the parking, [01:41:42] he also mentioned that we are illegally serving alcohol. [01:41:45] And in my public forum now, I'd like to make the comment that we have an extension of premises in front of our property [01:41:53] and a lease with the city of New Port Richey. [01:41:56] And both of those things in conjunction with each other allow my legal serving of alcohol. [01:42:01] So just to make it straight, you can't always just throw something against a wall [01:42:05] and hope that some people will make the assumption that someone's doing something wrong just because you say it. [01:42:12] So to clarify, the state of Florida has inspected my premises [01:42:18] and okayed my extension of premises when I submitted a plan to them. [01:42:23] So I legally serve alcohol on my property as I do everything else that I do, [01:42:29] which is legally being done by the licensing there. [01:42:32] So I just wanted to clarify that. [01:42:34] Thank you. [01:42:35] All right, thank you. [01:42:36] Anyone else? [01:42:37] Seeing no one else, we'll bring it back to council. [01:42:40] Let's not get into the back and forth. [01:42:42] No, no. [01:42:43] No, we're not going to do that, sir. [01:42:47] No, we're not. [01:42:48] I want to apologize. [01:42:49] You're right about that. [01:42:50] The term of parklet, they are illegal, but because you changed the name to a dining deck, [01:42:55] that is legal to serve alcohol, and you're right. [01:42:58] I apologize. [01:42:59] Thank you. [01:43:00] Bring it back to council. [01:43:01] Move for approval. [01:43:02] Second. [01:43:03] To the maker. [01:43:04] Nothing more. [01:43:05] I'm not sure which of you guys hit first. [01:43:08] We can share. [01:43:09] I got him over here. [01:43:10] Okay. [01:43:11] Mr. Murphy. [01:43:12] All right. [01:43:13] Yeah, no. [01:43:14] There hasn't been any issues that I know of with having it there. [01:43:19] I think the only issues we've had for safety-wise is probably them with their neighbors and [01:43:24] damage to the parklet and people doing things they're not supposed to do. [01:43:29] So I think that's something we need to look at. [01:43:31] And as far as parking, they do have two golf cart parks on the end of it, so you can park [01:43:37] golf carts. [01:43:38] And this may be an aside thing, but are we supposed to be parking golf carts nose in [01:43:43] so you can fit two in a spot? [01:43:46] Yes. [01:43:47] That's in the brochure that we give to folks. [01:43:51] And that's recently come up a couple of times by citizens bringing it to my attention. [01:43:57] And I'm trying to educate my officers to, in a friendly way, be able to deal with that [01:44:06] and just to educate folks. [01:44:08] But we are going to design a card that we can put on those that are improperly parked [01:44:16] to suggest that they park nose in. [01:44:19] There are some carts that are extra long that cannot be pulled in that way. [01:44:24] I think the four-passenger ones, it becomes a serious, dangerous problem. [01:44:29] We had one parking on Main Street that was, as far as I was concerned, it was a hazard. [01:44:35] Then when I went to go back to deal with it, it had already been moved. [01:44:39] Yeah. [01:44:40] I've noticed that too, so I just want to bring that part up too. [01:44:42] That would save parking spots. [01:44:44] That's for everybody. [01:44:45] To our second second. [01:44:47] It also has an elevated bike rack for parking as well. [01:44:50] But I love it. [01:44:53] I do reiterate what Councilman Murphy said. [01:44:56] There's been some undesirables hanging around that area lately. [01:45:00] And I think as a city we need to figure out how to address that, plants being pulled out [01:45:03] of the parklet, some other things that I saw on video that were much, much worse than that. [01:45:09] And it will be addressed. [01:45:11] I do like the parklets. [01:45:12] I hope that the social looks into possibly putting one in. [01:45:15] Once you're done with your construction, I think you'll have some room out back there. [01:45:21] And we've got a motion on the floor. [01:45:25] Yeah, there's no more public comment. [01:45:26] But I support the motion as well. [01:45:29] Mr. Alma? [01:45:30] Yes, I would like to refer back several months. [01:45:34] I think Mr. Starkey, the citizen Starkey, commented regarding the design plans for Grand [01:45:45] Boulevard. [01:45:46] And I know if you go from the Boulevard on Main to Nebraska, you don't have any parking [01:45:53] spaces because they're just coming around. [01:45:56] And then the parking starts at the theater. [01:46:02] Mr. Kasson came and addressed us, concerned with when the parklet issue first was raised, [01:46:08] talking about senior citizens, the day traffic, and the folks that walk to some of the professional [01:46:14] services that have difficulty getting there. [01:46:17] I recently went to Cary, the musical. [01:46:21] And I think one of the things that we haven't included in our strategy is the potential [01:46:31] that we're going to have to have when we have large events where people are parking way [01:46:36] far away, that we may find ourselves with facilities having to drop off people and park, [01:46:45] whether it's for a fee or whether it's just a handicapped drop-off point. [01:46:52] I would like to think that this is still a temporary solution to be in a parking lot [01:46:57] and that we work in the design of our future city, both on both sides of Grand Boulevard, [01:47:03] the narrowing that was suggested, keeping in consideration the bicycle trail that we're [01:47:07] trying to get from Sims Park to Marine Parkway. [01:47:11] There's an awful lot of Grand Boulevard design, and I would just pitch in that perhaps the [01:47:16] widening of the sidewalk, the creation of permanent space for all properties along that [01:47:23] wide road, both on Mr. Sullivan's side and the other, are probably beneficial, along [01:47:32] with a number of other things we could use. [01:47:34] But I think that if we had these small nodes where people can pull in and out and they [01:47:41] could have their car parked by someone, we would find a much more efficient process. [01:47:47] The busier the city gets, the harder it is going to beat the parallel park on Grand Boulevard. [01:47:53] And so maybe, you know, pull in, drop off, remote parking. [01:47:57] When we look at our overall parking plan, I'm not so sure that those parking spaces [01:48:02] are going to be appropriate and that we might find more important use for them. [01:48:08] Ubering, you know, valet parking, handicap drop offs, I think they're going to be needed [01:48:19] in the town, as crowded as it's getting. [01:48:21] We've already got people that are actually taking over Nebraska Avenue, or I'm sorry, [01:48:25] Missouri Avenue, when the Gatsby's is full. [01:48:28] So if you have 20 spaces behind your building, I don't know how many Gatsby has, but they've [01:48:32] got a whole lot more people inside there on their late Saturday nights than we have parking [01:48:37] spaces for. [01:48:39] To Jimmy and Jimmy's Restaurant, he spoke to me about his opposition. [01:48:43] I understand it, because when he built his building, he was forced to acquire additional [01:48:48] property to meet the parking standards, and then he was forced to put railings around, [01:48:54] as was the Cafe Grand when it first started. [01:48:57] So we have been evolving our sense of how the city works and opening it up more, whether [01:49:04] the whole thing becomes, you know, passed by virtue of control, wet zone area, whatever [01:49:11] is occurring there. [01:49:13] We have to see what's happening and be able to accommodate it, or it's going to get to [01:49:17] the point where there's going to be somebody on a little scooter going by when somebody [01:49:22] opens their door, or cars coming by too fast. [01:49:26] We've been fortunate for the amount of traffic we have in town, I think, and I hope that [01:49:30] we will see some visioning, maybe pass this to the CRA to discuss as they look at their [01:49:36] Grand Boulevard plan. [01:49:37] But I will support the motion with the hopes that there will be a more permanent solution [01:49:43] in the long term. [01:49:45] Thank you. [01:49:46] I talked with Joe over at Boulevard Beef and Ale last night. [01:49:53] Unsolicited plug, if you're over 65, they give you a 35% discount if you show up with [01:49:58] your Medicare card on Monday nights. [01:50:02] So keep that in mind for all of you senior citizens. [01:50:07] Was that applied to somebody in particular? [01:50:09] Well, it applied to me, but I talked to him about it, and we had this exact same discussion [01:50:17] that Mr. Starkey, the citizen, brought up, which is we really do need to narrow that [01:50:24] stretch of grant. [01:50:25] I know we've got longer range plans to completely redo that whole section between the downtown [01:50:33] and Gulf Drive, or even Marine Parkway, but I would suggest that we could start sooner [01:50:41] than that by taking a serious look at that couple block area, because it would not take [01:50:46] a whole heck of a lot to narrow that down the way it ought to be, move the sidewalks [01:50:53] out, provide for some decent sidewalk opportunities for the businesses to have their dining right [01:51:01] there on the sidewalk, and not necessarily take up parking places in the process. [01:51:08] And Joe and I also talked about the issue, particularly on the weekends when things get [01:51:13] very busy. [01:51:16] I don't want us to forget the discussions that we've had about possibly bringing in [01:51:23] a company that will do the golf cart type shuttles to get people from the further away [01:51:29] parking lots into the downtown businesses. [01:51:33] I think that's, we're going to be there before you know it. [01:51:37] But with that, I do accept us continuing to go on with what we've got. [01:51:43] Any further discussion? [01:51:46] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:51:49] Aye. [01:51:50] Opposed? [01:51:51] Like sign. [01:51:52] Motion passes. [01:51:53] Next, three minute report, Police Department. [01:51:54] I'm going to keep it under three minutes. [01:51:58] First thing I wanted to mention, just to give you an update of what code enforcement has [01:52:05] been doing with the civil citations. [01:52:08] We have written, since the program was started, we've written 160 civil citations. [01:52:15] And we still deal with the county ordinance citation as well. [01:52:19] And the code is working with the development department right now on 10 properties for [01:52:27] slum and blight that we're looking to tear those down. [01:52:31] So and that, as you know, is a process. [01:52:35] Now what I'm going to mention is where we stand with staffing downtown. [01:52:41] Because I know that's a hot topic. [01:52:44] The part-time positions that you gave me at the end of this last budget year, we've been [01:52:50] able to fill only one of the four. [01:52:55] I'm not seeing the interest that I thought I would see with that, with the retired cops [01:52:59] that are in our general area. [01:53:03] But we're going to keep looking, keep trying to recruit to get those. [01:53:07] But to still make up for that and to have a law enforcement presence downtown and in [01:53:14] Sims Park, our two auxiliary officers are working. [01:53:20] They both have regular jobs. [01:53:22] And they were volunteering on a fairly regular basis with us. [01:53:28] But they have now committed and are doing this. [01:53:31] They are working between the two. [01:53:35] Each one is working two evenings a week. [01:53:39] And their hours are from 3 to 11. [01:53:41] So they're putting in good shifts. [01:53:43] That's four of those evenings are covered where they're additionally downtown. [01:53:50] We have a lot of activity going on downtown. [01:53:53] So I have a sign-up sheet that officers volunteer to work additional hours, which ends up in [01:54:03] an overtime basis. [01:54:05] But we are staffing the park and downtown as much as is possible. [01:54:10] I can't say that every day it's all these hours. [01:54:13] But it's scheduled for 7 to 7, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. at this time. [01:54:20] And we've been really filling that up. [01:54:23] That's seven days a week. [01:54:27] Fridays and Saturday nights have become quite a challenge downtown. [01:54:32] If you haven't been down there at 1.30 or 2 o'clock in the morning, you have no idea [01:54:36] how that downtown changes. [01:54:39] And I have two officers assigned in addition to regular patrol. [01:54:45] We've got two officers working from 6.30 p.m. to 2.30 in the morning. [01:54:51] That's on Fridays and Saturdays. [01:54:53] And at the same time, I have just added another officer to that that is working from 10 o'clock [01:55:01] p.m. to 2.30 a.m. [01:55:03] And these officers are working on an overtime basis to handle our downtown issues. [01:55:11] That will conclude my report. [01:55:18] Thank you. [01:55:19] Any questions? [01:55:20] Do you have any incidents with golf carts at all? [01:55:26] The things that I'm seeing are people have spent quite a bit of money on ATVs. [01:55:33] And I'm seeing a lot of ATVs downtown, and it is illegal to run an ATV on a paved road. [01:55:41] And so that's something that I am seeing. [01:55:43] Golf carts, yes, ATVs specifically can only operate on dirt road, and they cannot be out [01:55:52] on these roads. [01:55:53] That's by statute. [01:55:54] Even with a license plate? [01:55:55] Do any of them have license plates? [01:55:57] I know what you're talking about. [01:55:58] These things are like hybrid-looking vehicles. [01:55:59] They're crazy-looking. [01:56:00] Oh, and I'm seeing them without tags. [01:56:02] Yeah. [01:56:03] What if they have a tag? [01:56:04] Is it just like a normal motor vehicle? [01:56:06] I actually have to do some homework on that. [01:56:08] One of the business owners brought that up to me as a question, and I don't know because [01:56:13] it doesn't specifically address that. [01:56:16] There are speed limit limits that apply to both golf carts, and then there's a different [01:56:22] limit for the ATVs, I guess. [01:56:27] It ends up, to me, a little bit complicated because people bastardize, if you will, some [01:56:33] of these pieces of equipment. [01:56:34] They do it to golf carts, and they certainly are dressing out these ATVs. [01:56:38] But an ATV off the shelf, right out of a dealership, cannot be operated on the highway like ... [01:56:44] Right, and they're definitely not golf carts. [01:56:47] The ones that I've seen, and if they are on the road, I would assume they really need [01:56:50] to have a license plate. [01:56:52] I saw one in the park one night that was bigger than the smart car I used to have. [01:56:56] Well, I ran one out of the park, personally, that was during one of our events, and it [01:57:03] had those off-road tires, and it was ... I couldn't believe they were there doing what [01:57:08] they were doing, so I ran them all. [01:57:11] The one I saw was like six passenger. [01:57:13] It was huge. [01:57:14] Back to my question, have we given any tickets or anything? [01:57:18] Because I see stop signs run on a regular basis, things of that sort. [01:57:26] I know a four-way stop close to where I hang out, and they're going through that stop sign [01:57:32] on a regular basis. [01:57:33] Chopper, I don't know if we're giving out the tickets as much as stopping people and [01:57:39] giving them warnings. [01:57:41] We have a golf cart downtown in the evenings, on the weekends, right? [01:57:45] No, you mean us? [01:57:46] Yes. [01:57:47] Oh, if the officer chooses to use that. [01:57:49] I've seen it downtown a few times, and he could easily pull these people over. [01:57:55] It's a regular thing. [01:57:56] It's just slightly of the thing. [01:57:59] That's why I'm asking. [01:58:01] I'm trying to get them all inspected and keep them off the sidewalks and have the properly [01:58:08] aged people operating them and get the kids out of them. [01:58:13] There are some very specific rules with those, and the education part, I think, is about [01:58:19] done, to tell you. [01:58:22] I get a lot of feedback from some of the business owners, too, that are seeing it, [01:58:27] and it is dangerous. [01:58:28] I think I'm going to have to shift gears now. [01:58:34] It's common at this four-way stop. [01:58:37] I'm not arguing with you on it, Chopper. [01:58:39] I know. [01:58:40] I'm just bringing it up. [01:58:41] No, it's not an argument at all. [01:58:42] It's an agreement. [01:58:43] It's an issue, and it's a dangerous issue. [01:58:46] Speaking of education, I'm seeing an uptick in the number of cars going the wrong way [01:58:51] down the alley between Grand Boulevard and Bank Street. [01:58:55] Oh, behind your place? [01:58:58] Uh-huh. [01:58:59] Your business? [01:59:00] I'm not sure, but most of them seem to be coming in and out of the chiropractic office. [01:59:06] If we could get somebody in the police department or city manager's office to send them something [01:59:12] to post saying, guys, that's a one-way street, that would help. [01:59:18] I know Robert, before, did some signage. [01:59:21] The signage is there, and I stopped one of them right underneath one of those signs today. [01:59:28] As he started coming directly head-on at me, I went over to the side and flagged him down [01:59:35] and explained, you know, you can get a ticket for going out this way, and he says, well, [01:59:39] I didn't see any signs, and I pointed, well, there's one right there. [01:59:42] Is that actually a street, or is it just public property? [01:59:51] He was right under one of them. [01:59:55] No, he said on the pavement. [01:59:56] Oh, on the pavement? [01:59:57] Yeah, that would help. [02:00:00] Yeah, because they're ignoring it. They're coming in up by the Williams offices, and [02:00:05] more dangerously, they're going out by Mountaineer, and that's a blind intersection. And if you're [02:00:12] not expecting somebody to be coming the wrong way out of that, you're going to have a head [02:00:16] on fender bender. [02:00:19] It's been a while since I've personally done traffic enforcement, written a ticket. It's [02:00:27] been decades since I've written a ticket. [02:00:30] They don't use paper anymore, do they? [02:00:33] No, they don't. But I'm not certain that we can write a ticket on that piece of, on that [02:00:42] lane that's there, if it's not a street. [02:00:46] You bagged at least one of the people that used to work over at the incubator. [02:00:49] Well, we may have done it unknowingly, too. I know that we couldn't back in my day. [02:00:56] He wasn't happy he got four points and 160-something dollars out of his checking account. [02:01:01] Four points, wow. [02:01:02] Yeah. [02:01:03] But I think they were using carriages back in my day. [02:01:05] Yeah, could be. Thank you, Chief. [02:01:10] Communications and reports, I'll kick it off. I had a meeting, a lunch meeting, Thursday [02:01:16] with New Port Richey Mayor Scott Trimley, a really, really nice fellow, expressed an interest [02:01:26] in working, having New Port Richey and New Port Richey work closely together, including on [02:01:32] the underpass issue, including on extending the multi-use trail all the way from there [02:01:39] down to Sims Park. And from what he was describing about their city council, I think we've got [02:01:48] some folks on the New Port Richey City Council that we're going to be able to work with.

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19. 9.e

    Three Minute Report: Police Department

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    Council members gave individual reports covering several topics: a proposed state bill by Rep. Mariano (backed by Sen. Hooper) to dissolve the City of New Port Richey, a Tourist Development Board walkabout in downtown New Port Richey, an upcoming FOX 13 segment on the underpass and golf cart friendliness, Pasco Pride downtown Oct 1-6, the Gulf High homecoming parade Oct 8, and follow-up from the joint city/county meeting including CRA boundaries and combined dispatch with the Sheriff. No formal action was taken.

    📍Sims Park parking lot📍Trouble Creek Road past Rowan📍US 19 median📍Washington (between Port Richey and New Port Richey)🏢FOX 13🏢Florida League of Cities🏢Gulf High School🏢Hacienda🏢Pasco County Sheriff's Office🏢Pasco Pride🏢Tourist Development Board👤Commissioner Oakley👤Ed Hooper👤Mariano👤Mr. Allman👤Mr. Davis👤Mr. Lupo👤Mr. Murphy👤Mrs. Vance👤Sheriff Nocco#CRA boundaries / briar patch analysis#City-County joint meeting at CARES#Combined dispatch with Pasco County#Golf cart reciprocity between New Port Richey and Port Richey#Gulf High homecoming parade Oct 8, 2019#Pasco Pride Oct 1-6, 2019#Proposed bill to dissolve City of Port Richey

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    [02:01:54] Interestingly enough, he brought up to me that he would very much like to see reciprocity [02:02:00] on the golf carts between New Port Richey and New Port Richey. And I explained that we [02:02:04] had modeled our ordinance off there specifically so that that would be possible. He indicated [02:02:11] that he was going to ask Mr. Lupo to get in touch with Mrs. Vance. So hopefully we'll [02:02:18] see some progress on that. They're having their own challenges, courtesy of a couple [02:02:25] of state legislators that I think are making a horrible move to dissolve the city in spite [02:02:32] of the fact that it looks like they're getting their act together right now. And I contacted [02:02:41] both of those legislators' offices and told them that I thought it was a bad move on their [02:02:48] part. I'm sure we will see more of that in the paper. I can tell you, at least on Facebook, [02:02:57] Miss Mariano is getting absolutely hammered on her own Facebook page for coming up with [02:03:04] this idea. That's all I had. Mr. Davis? [02:03:11] I just want to say that I brought down, I brought down ten shareholders in the Tourist [02:03:17] Development Board into town on Thursday and did a walkabout. They were really excited. [02:03:24] I got a tour through the Hacienda and then a walkabout in downtown, and they were really [02:03:28] excited about what's going on. Of course, that takes it back to their properties. Maybe [02:03:33] we'll see more of the advertising in their properties or the word getting out about New Port Richey. Most of these people were from central or eastern Pasco, so that's kind of what we've [02:03:45] been trying to do, teach each other. On Friday, we all went over to the east side. [02:03:50] Deputy Mayor? [02:03:52] I was asked to do an interview on FOX 13 yesterday. If you haven't seen it, it was done very, [02:03:56] very well by FOX 13 regarding the underpass. Once again, unanimous support to be golf cart [02:04:01] friendly. It was a really good clip. The guy went out in the bow. They cover a lot of stuff. [02:04:07] If you haven't seen it, just go to the website and check that out. We're going through a [02:04:10] dry season. Our median is on 19 up and down, not just in New Port Richey, but the county [02:04:14] as well. It's very dry, so hopefully we can get that water truck out there and make sure [02:04:17] we don't lose the landscaping there. [02:04:22] Pasco Pride is this weekend, but on their website, it states that it starts today, which [02:04:27] I wasn't aware of. I'm looking at it right now. October 1st through 6th, 2019, downtown [02:04:35] New Port Richey. I didn't know if city staff was aware of that or not. I wish Pride a successful [02:04:41] event. I hope it goes off very, very well and everyone has a great time. The one thing [02:04:45] that I'd feel remiss of myself if I didn't point out, because I made a big deal out of [02:04:49] this last year, there should be nothing sexual in nature in our park or in our downtown during [02:04:54] the event. It should be about pride, love, families, as advertised. That just threw me [02:05:00] for a loop when they're advertising on their website that it starts today and it's a five-day [02:05:03] event in downtown New Port Richey. [02:05:05] Regarding the New Port Richey, I was totally flabbergasted as well with the news that I [02:05:11] saw online today. Are you able to tell us how the process would work? [02:05:16] I can give you, I can give you, I can give you. [02:05:19] I'm not talking to you. [02:05:20] Okay. I know, but it went through this year and it went right throughout the year. There's [02:05:25] two ways they can do it. The state can do it through the representatives or the public [02:05:31] itself. The New Port Richey residents can abolish it. [02:05:36] They can do it through referendum and the state legislature can dissolve any city if [02:05:41] they approve it. [02:05:42] Yeah, I mean, I just, everyone's going on Insta-messaging me on Facebook and texting [02:05:48] me saying, why didn't New Port Richey just take it over? The county would never allow that, [02:05:51] but I mean, this is somewhat unprecedented. I mean, the city's been municipally, I mean, [02:05:57] it's probably since I believe 1925. [02:06:00] I've never seen one done in this state. [02:06:03] You've never seen one done in this state. [02:06:05] So it would have to, Ms. Mariana Maid, just so I'm clear, Maid is proposing a bill, which [02:06:11] is backed by Ed Hooper, correct? Is that correct? [02:06:15] That's what I understand. [02:06:16] So now it goes to the state legislature and people, people that may have never been to [02:06:22] the city of New Port Richey vote and the hands of all of the residents in New Port Richey are [02:06:26] now in the hands of people that don't live there? [02:06:28] Yes, and it would have to be approved by both houses and the governor. And so, yeah, it [02:06:32] would have to go through that whole process. [02:06:34] So you've been doing municipal law for over 30 years and you've never seen or heard of [02:06:37] it? [02:06:38] Never heard of it. [02:06:39] It's happening in the state of Florida? [02:06:40] Not even in Dade County, never heard of it. [02:06:41] So it's a big deal what they're proposing. [02:06:46] I did also drop a note to the, one of the people up at Florida League of Cities to give [02:06:53] them a heads up that this was cooking, so. [02:06:57] Mr. Allman? [02:06:58] Yes, first of all, to all us Gulf High graduates, Tuesday, October 8th, the lineup at Sims Park [02:07:07] parking lot at 12.30 p.m. for the Gulf High School homecoming parade. I responded that [02:07:17] I would be happy to attend and then she asked me if I had a car. I don't know if I can get [02:07:21] one of those scooters fast enough, but are we, anyone else going on the city council? [02:07:28] They asked me and I got the same email, do you need a car? And I said, if you want me [02:07:31] to be in the parade, I guess. We can ride together if you want. [02:07:33] That's what I'm wondering. [02:07:34] I had the same thing. I don't have a convertible. [02:07:36] You can use your golf cart. [02:07:37] Yeah, I mean, yeah, we talked about that. [02:07:40] Do it, yeah. So whatever, I'm going to say no, I don't need a car, but I'm going to jump [02:07:48] on the golf cart there or whatever. [02:07:51] That's on the October the? [02:07:54] October the 8th, next Tuesday, a week from today, homecoming. It's the only one of very [02:08:00] few homecoming parades that go down through a city and it just represents the fact Gulf [02:08:07] High was the original high school on the west side here. So that's one thing. The other [02:08:12] just has to be mentioned that we had our city, county joint meeting at the CARES. It was, [02:08:20] I guess, determined afterward to be a good meeting by everybody. There were a couple [02:08:25] of things that were asked. One of them had to do with our CRA boundaries. I'm hoping [02:08:29] that that will be on the CRA agenda when we see it to discuss any analysis that might [02:08:34] be done of whether it's the briar patch or a few areas that have been discussed. I think [02:08:39] the staff is going to do some analysis of what that tax basis is there and what's the [02:08:45] tax basis of the areas that we're asking them to incorporate. But I did notice as well [02:08:51] at the meeting that Commissioner Oakley from Dade City made the comment, these cities ought [02:08:58] to have straight boundaries. So I've got a suggestion for them. It could be Trouble Creek [02:09:04] Road out past Rowan and give us a square and when they get done figuring out what to do [02:09:11] with New Port Richey, it would be nice if we didn't have that little section of Washington [02:09:18] between the city of New Port Richey and the city of New Port Richey, which is a no-man's zone [02:09:23] and between Pine Hill and our city borders. It's probably not a good time to suggest the [02:09:31] expansion of New Port Richey, but somehow if there was a line between New Port Richey and [02:09:37] New Port Richey, it's pretty clean coming across the highway and then it gets pretty [02:09:41] messed up. But that's a real pipe dream to think that all of that could occur because [02:09:47] it's not an enclave and on and on. But there was some hope there. There was a comment made [02:09:55] with respect to the sheriff asking for us to do combined dispatch. I heard that on the [02:10:04] news today regarding an interview related to the New Port Richey issue with Sheriff Notko. [02:10:10] And he as well had indicated that he wasn't going to take a position. This is third hand, [02:10:16] but that seems to be the way the news runs lately. That he wasn't going to take a position, [02:10:23] but if required and New Port Richey was brought back to him, they would just spread out their [02:10:30] existing staff or whatever. But he did indicate in his interview that the most important thing [02:10:38] was that we all work together. He spoke kindly of and supportive of the cities and indicated [02:10:46] that the cities and counties are working together. But the dispatch has been an issue that I [02:10:51] think is an issue of our county commissioners. And I know with the advent of the cell phone [02:10:57] that some of the arguments that we had for dispatch in the past may be worth relooking [02:11:03] at. So in order for us to make sure we get as much of our police force on the ground, [02:11:08] I would hope that maybe we could get some response to that from the management as to [02:11:16] the potential benefits of what we can gain by, I guess, compromising or whatever the [02:11:26] word is. If we could get ambulance service and more joint effort, how are we going to [02:11:33] do it? And it seems to me they're pointing to the dispatch. I'm just putting it out there. [02:11:42] Thank you. Mr. Murphy. Yes, I'm going to make it to the parade, too. I figure it's kind [02:11:47] of an obligation after being a go-fight grad. We've got to support the home team there for [02:11:51] sure. As far as the New Port Richey thing, I mean, I can't believe that they're doing it

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20. 10Communications▶ 2:11:56
21. 11Adjournment