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1. 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
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   Pledge of Allegiance

   Pledge of Allegiance and moment of silence in honor of servicemen and women.

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   [00:00:20] I'd like to ask you to all please stand, join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, and remain [00:00:21] standing for a moment of silence in honor of our servicemen and women at home and abroad. [00:00:25] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for [00:00:30] which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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   Moment of Silence

   Brief moment of silence observed at the start of the meeting.

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   [00:00:42] Thank you. [00:00:43] You may be seated.

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   Approval of January 2, 2019 Work Session and Regular Meeting Minutes

   approved

   Council approved the minutes from the January 2, 2019 Work Session and Regular Meeting.

   • motion:Motion to approve the January 2, 2019 Work Session and Regular Meeting minutes. (passed)

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   [00:00:51] Next item on the agenda is the approval of the January 2nd minutes. [00:00:55] Move for approval. [00:00:56] Second. [00:00:57] We have a motion and a second to approve the minutes. [00:00:59] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:01:02] Aye. [00:01:03] Opposed, like sign. [00:01:04] Motion passes.

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   Presentation of Certified Municipal Clerk Designation to City Clerk Judy Meyers

   The City Council recognized City Clerk Judy Myers for obtaining her Certified Municipal Clerk (CMC) designation from the Florida Association of City Clerks and International Institute of Municipal Clerks. Lori Hillman, representing the Central West District of the Florida Association of City Clerks, presented the recognition, noting Judy's involvement on multiple committees while also serving as Executive Assistant to the City Manager and Public Information Officer.

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   [00:01:05] I would like to ask City Clerk Judy Myers and City Manager Debbie Manz to meet me down [00:01:12] at the podium. [00:01:33] And we do have a couple of her fellow clerks in attendance this evening to represent. [00:01:39] I was wondering, oh my goodness, Judy has achieved a designation as City Clerk, which [00:01:51] required a good amount of effort and classes for her to achieve that designation. [00:02:01] And more impressively than anything for me is that she did it while serving as the Executive [00:02:07] Assistant to the City Manager, which by the way is a full-time job, and the Public Information [00:02:12] Officer for the city as well. [00:02:16] It's really a well-deserved honor and we're very proud of her for her accomplishment. [00:02:33] Good evening. [00:02:34] My name is Lori Hillman. [00:02:35] I'm the City Clerk for the City of Zephyrhills and President of the Pasco County Association [00:02:40] of City Clerks. [00:02:41] I am here tonight representing the Central West District of the Florida Association of [00:02:46] City Clerks. [00:02:48] I am joined here tonight by Andrea Calvert, Town Clerk for the town of St. Leo, and she's [00:03:01] the former President of the Pasco County Association of City Clerks. [00:03:06] I would like to thank you all tonight for allowing us the opportunity to be here to [00:03:11] recognize City Clerk Judy Myers for obtaining her Certified Municipal Clerk's designation. [00:03:18] Judy has been employed by the City of New Port Richey since July of 2013. [00:03:24] She joined the Florida Association of City Clerks in September of 2016 and became a member [00:03:30] of the International Institute of Municipal Clerks in October of 2016, and shortly after [00:03:42] that she attended her first training academy in the fall of the same year. [00:03:48] Currently, the Florida Association of City Clerks has 606 members, and of those 606 members, [00:03:56] there are 217 members who have reached the designation of Certified Municipal Clerk. [00:04:05] Judy is on the Florida Association of City Clerks Legislative Committee. [00:04:11] She was selected to serve on this year's Summer Academy Silent Auction 50-50 Committee. [00:04:17] She previously served on the Fall Academy Host and 50-50 Committee. [00:04:23] She is also a member of the Pasco County Municipal Clerks Association and has recently [00:04:28] been elected as Vice President. [00:04:31] We thank you for supporting Judy and encourage you to continue doing so in her pursuit of [00:04:36] the Master Municipal Clerk designation. [00:04:39] On behalf of the Florida Association of City Clerks and the Central West District, please [00:04:44] join me in congratulating Judy Myers, Certified Municipal Clerk. [00:05:45] Judy, I want to know when you have time to be at your desk.

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   Proclamation - Cervical Health Awareness Month

   approved

   Mayor Rob Marlowe proclaimed January 2019 as Cervical Health Awareness Month in the City of New Port Richey, recognizing Premier Community Healthcare's role in providing low-cost cervical cancer screenings. Joey Resnick accepted the proclamation on behalf of Premier's employees and patients.

   • direction:Mayor proclaimed January 2019 as Cervical Health Awareness Month in the City of New Port Richey. (passed)

   🏢Premier Community Healthcare👤Joey Resnick👤Rob Marlowe#Cervical Health Awareness Month

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   [00:06:02] Next, I would ask Joey Resnick to meet me at the podium. [00:06:14] Whereas, cervical cancer is a disease that strikes nearly 13,000 American women each [00:06:21] year, and whereas all women are at risk for cervical cancer, it occurs most often in women [00:06:26] over the age of 30. [00:06:28] Cervical cancer most often affects women in the prime of life, and whereas regular cervical [00:06:33] cancer screening tests are effective in detecting the disease early, when it can be effective [00:06:40] treated, and whereas to prevent cervical cancer, there are vaccines available that, when combined [00:06:46] with screening tests, provide a formidable and effective means of presenting this disease, [00:06:52] and whereas Premier Community Health Care provides low-cost or free well-woman exams, [00:06:57] including pelvic exams and pap tests, to all women, regardless of inability to pay, in [00:07:04] fact, 4,142 women receive cervical cancer screenings through Premier's clinics, and whereas [00:07:10] increasing awareness among patients and health care providers alike regarding the best use [00:07:15] of these preventive tools is a key component in safeguarding women's health, now therefore [00:07:21] I, Rob Marlowe, Mayor of the City of New Port Richey, do hereby proclaim the month of January, [00:07:26] 2019, as Cervical Health Awareness Month in the City of New Port Richey. [00:07:32] And encourage all residents to recognize that cervical cancer is preventable, and to urge [00:07:37] everyone to support the women in our lives to take charge of their health and avail themselves [00:07:42] to the tests and vaccines that have proven so effective in preventing cervical cancer. [00:07:48] Thank you very much for the recognition. It's an honor for me to receive this, for the [00:07:55] Thank you very much for the recognition. It's an honor for me to receive this, for our employees, [00:08:01] over 200 of our employees, and the 30,000 patients that we served last year. So thank you again [00:08:06] for the time. Appreciate it. [00:08:08] Thank you. [00:08:09] Thank you. [00:08:12] I wanted to get a picture of the two of you. [00:08:14] She got it. [00:08:15] She got it? [00:08:16] She got it. [00:08:17] Well, get one next to each other. [00:08:25] Thank you.

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   Proclamation - Arbor Day

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   Mayor Rob Marlow proclaimed Friday, January 18th as Arbor Day in the City of New Port Richey, recognizing the 30th consecutive Arbor Day celebration and the city's continued participation in Tree City USA. John Tietz accepted the proclamation and invited the public to the annual tree planting with Genesis School students at Francis Avenue Park.

   • direction:Mayor proclaimed Friday, January 18th as Arbor Day in the City of New Port Richey. (passed)

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   [00:08:28] I'd like to ask John Tietz to accept the parchment that I've got here. [00:08:34] And he has helpers. Come on down. [00:08:42] I'm doing wonderful, John. [00:08:44] Whereas in 1872, J. Sterling Morton proposed to the Nebraska Board of Agriculture that a special day [00:08:51] be set aside for the planting of trees, and whereas the holiday called Arbor Day was first observed [00:08:56] with the planting of more than a million trees in Nebraska, and whereas Arbor Day is now observed [00:09:01] throughout the nation and the world, and whereas trees can reduce the erosion of our precious topsoil [00:09:06] by wind and water, lower our heating and cooling costs, moderate the temperature, clean the air, [00:09:13] produce oxygen, and provide habitat for wildlife, and whereas trees are a renewable resource [00:09:19] giving us paper, wood for our homes, fuel for our fires, and countless other wood products, [00:09:26] and whereas trees, whenever they are planted, are a source of joy and spiritual renewal, [00:09:31] and whereas the City of New Port Richey is an active participant in Tree City USA, [00:09:36] whereas the City of New Port Richey partners with other individuals and agencies for tree giveaways [00:09:42] and plantings, such as with the annual Arbor Day Tree Planting with Genesis School. [00:09:47] Now therefore, I, Rob Marlow, Mayor of the City of New Port Richey, do hereby proclaim Friday, January 18th, [00:09:53] as Arbor Day in the City of New Port Richey, and urge all citizens to celebrate Arbor Day [00:09:58] by attending the annual Arbor Day program with students from the Genesis School [00:10:03] at 11 o'clock in the morning at Francis Avenue Park for the annual tree planting ceremony, [00:10:08] and I encourage all citizens to support efforts to protect our trees and woodlands, [00:10:13] and further, I urge all citizens to plant and care for trees to gladden the heart [00:10:18] and promote the well-being of this and future generations. John? [00:10:26] If you'd like to say something? [00:10:29] I just want to thank New Port Richey and the City Council for continuing to support these events, [00:10:33] and I just want to mention that this is the 30th consecutive Arbor Day that we've had here in New Port Richey, [00:10:38] which is a huge milestone for us, and the Tree City USA program is something that we continue to support, [00:10:43] and we applaud the City Council for continuing to help us to support that. [00:10:48] So please come out and see us on 11 a.m. on Friday if you would like to see a couple of trees planted, [00:10:54] and join us in supporting environmental issues. Thank you. [00:10:58] And John, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that I just today received a letter from the Arbor Day Foundation [00:11:06] congratulating New Port Richey on earning recognition as a 2018 Tree City USA, [00:11:11] and we have a notice that will go out to the press marking that. [00:11:18] John, I'm going to be out of town on Friday, but those of the public who've never been to the tree planting at Francis Park, [00:11:24] is that where it is again this year? Yes. [00:11:26] I urge you to go. It's a really, really cool event. Elementary kids come out and help plant the trees, and it's really cool. [00:11:32] Thank you.

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8. 8Vox Pop for Items Not Listed on the Agenda or Listed on Consent Agenda▶ 11:37
9. 9.a

   Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes - November 2018

   on consent

   Council moved and seconded approval of the Cultural Affairs Committee minutes from November 2018; a brief comment was requested before the vote.

   • motion:Motion to approve the Cultural Affairs Committee minutes from November 2018.

   #Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes - November 2018

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   [00:21:02] Agenda. [00:21:03] Move for approval. [00:21:04] Second. [00:21:05] Motion and a second. [00:21:06] All those in favor, please signify. [00:21:07] Can I have a comment on that? [00:21:08] Sure. [00:21:09] Yeah.

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10. 9.b

    Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval

    approvedon consent

    Council approved purchases/payments, including a payment to Retail Industries for 7% of their contract amount for sign work that has been completed and accepted by the City. Councilman Davis asked a clarifying question about the payment before approval.

    • vote:Approve purchases/payments for City Council approval, including 7% contract payment to Retail Industries. (passed)

    🏢Retail Industries👤Davis

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    [00:21:10] I just want to ask a question. [00:21:11] We're giving some money to the sign company. [00:21:12] Is this going to get 7 percent? [00:21:16] Is that where they are at right now? [00:21:18] Because we have some questions whether they're going to continue. [00:21:22] In response to the question, Retail Industries is listed on the Consent Agenda for a payment, [00:21:28] as Councilman Davis is indicating, in the amount of 7 percent of their contract amount, [00:21:34] and that amount of work has been completed and accepted by the City. [00:21:40] Okay. [00:21:41] No further discussion. [00:21:43] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:21:46] Aye. [00:21:47] Opposed? [00:21:48] Like sign. [00:21:49] Motion passes.

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    Second Reading - Ordinance No. 2019-2149: Amendments to Chapter 13 to Prohibit Bathhouses

    Council held second reading of Ordinance 2019-2149 to amend Chapter 13 to prohibit bathhouses within the City. Multiple members of the public spoke in opposition, arguing the ordinance conflates sex work with sex trafficking and would harm marginalized people; one citizen questioned whether the ordinance language could affect massage parlors, hair salons, and schools. The City Attorney clarified massage businesses, hair washing, and medical caregivers are not affected.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2149

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    [00:21:50] Next, public reading of ordinance. [00:21:51] Second reading ordinance 2019-2149. [00:21:55] Ordinance 2019-2149, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida, providing for [00:21:59] amendment of Chapter 13 of the New Port Richey Code of Ordinances pertaining to licenses [00:22:03] and business regulation. [00:22:05] Providing for a new Article 12 thereof pertaining to bathhouses. [00:22:09] Providing for prohibition of bathhouses within the City. [00:22:11] Providing definitions of terms. [00:22:13] Providing prohibited activities. [00:22:15] Providing penalties for violation hereof. [00:22:17] Providing for enforcement. [00:22:18] Providing for conflict, severability, and an effective date. [00:22:21] Thank you. [00:22:22] Ms. Vance? [00:22:23] As indicated by the City Attorney, our request this evening is for you to conduct a second [00:22:28] reading on amending the City's Code to prohibit bathhouses, bathhouses, for those of you that [00:22:36] are not aware, are establishments whereby a bath is administered from one person to [00:22:45] another with the exception of a medical facility, and it is the recommendation that you conduct [00:22:52] the second reading and approve the ordinance to prohibit bathhouses in the City. [00:22:58] Thank you. [00:22:59] This is a public hearing. [00:23:00] I will open it up for public comment. [00:23:02] Anyone wishing to address counsel on this, please come on down. [00:23:10] John Cain, 6041 Florida Avenue. [00:23:14] I read, I went online and I read the ordinance today. [00:23:17] And you know, the language, it seems to me, it sounds simple, but it's really not. [00:23:25] Because when you read the definitions of what a bath is under the definition, applying [00:23:32] water or any fluid and rubbing is a bath. [00:23:37] So it really brings into question hair salons, massage therapists, which we have in the City [00:23:48] that apply oil and rub you down, according to this, they wouldn't be allowed to do that [00:23:54] unless they were doing it in the confines. [00:23:57] What I read was hospitals, old age homes, which I really don't want to go get a massage [00:24:04] in, but aside from that, it seems like we're taking a brush and swiping at an industry. [00:24:14] Now I don't know about bathhouses. [00:24:17] I know the places that are being called into question and they advertise as a massage place. [00:24:23] So I don't know, I might be wrong in addressing this this way. [00:24:28] Are we talking about massages? [00:24:30] Are we talking about getting a bath? [00:24:32] Because the way I read the definition as it stands in this ordinance of getting a bath, [00:24:39] you could be getting your hair washed and it's considered getting a bath. [00:24:42] It's one person touching you. [00:24:45] The driving force to this seems to be we're concerned about the element of prostitution [00:24:53] that's been involved in these places. [00:24:56] It is a crime, no doubt. [00:25:00] But you know, there are a lot of things that are criminal against the law that we don't [00:25:07] get this extreme to wipe out an entire business. [00:25:11] We have a very healthy bar and club presence in our town. [00:25:16] I guarantee you the average person that drives here has more than two or three beers at the [00:25:21] very least, drives home. [00:25:23] We don't look to shut them down. [00:25:27] We don't do sex encounters anymore, prostitution anymore. [00:25:30] To be honest, it's high tech. [00:25:31] They do it over a computer. [00:25:34] We don't suggest shutting down, forgive me, stores that sell computers and run them out [00:25:39] of town. [00:25:40] So I think you need to revisit this ordinance a little bit. [00:25:43] I'm not saying to not, it seems to me that if you have a massage parlor and they're violating [00:25:49] the law, doesn't that violate their license to operate in town? [00:25:54] Wouldn't we have the right, if they're entertaining illegal activity, wouldn't we be able to just [00:25:59] shut them down on the basis that they're breaking the law? [00:26:02] Why would we need an ordinance to address all of that? [00:26:06] I'm really not for ordinances this much because in the past what I've seen, even under simple [00:26:12] ordinances, is they get misinterpreted, mishandled, misapplied, and we kind of restrict ourselves. [00:26:19] We're a growing city. [00:26:20] We should be opening up, not closing up. [00:26:23] So I'm not in favor of this unless you can clean up the language, otherwise it's going [00:26:28] to affect people wanting to open up regular massage. [00:26:34] And the B'nai School, I'd like to point out, we have a school here that teaches massage [00:26:38] therapy. [00:26:39] You can go there and get a massage. [00:26:42] According to this, they're not included. [00:26:44] There's nothing in there about a school. [00:26:47] Early hospitals, old age homes, doctor's offices, that's very clinical. [00:26:52] That's very restrictive. [00:26:54] I don't want that kind of an environment. [00:26:57] Thank you. [00:26:58] Mr. Driscoll, I mean, to me it's pretty clear the difference between a massage and a tabletop [00:27:04] bath. [00:27:05] Correct. [00:27:06] Do we need to claim the verbiage in here, in your opinion, your counsel? [00:27:08] No, I think this covers the issue. [00:27:11] This doesn't prohibit a massage parlor giving massages? [00:27:14] Correct. [00:27:15] This doesn't just prohibit a massage parlor that gave a massage that may want to advertise [00:27:19] a tabletop bath on top of that table after the massage, correct? [00:27:22] Correct. [00:27:23] This is just businesses that provide baths. [00:27:26] That's what's prohibited. [00:27:27] I personally am okay with this ordinance based on that. [00:27:29] Do we have anyone else who wishes to address counsel on this? [00:27:32] So it's a school factor. [00:27:34] Should we have the word school in there too? [00:27:36] Not if it's a massage, if it's a legitimate massage facility. [00:27:40] You could add the word school if you wanted to have an additional exemption. [00:27:45] If this does exempt medical facilities, it does not exempt schools at this point. [00:27:48] No, we're talking about massages, not tabletop baths. [00:27:51] But I wouldn't consider a school to be a facility that's running a business to provide baths. [00:27:57] So I don't think it would apply to them. [00:28:00] So in your opinion, the verbiage here, I'm satisfied with it exactly as it is. [00:28:05] Does it create a problem for a barber or beautician? [00:28:07] Or washing hair? [00:28:08] No, hair is not included. [00:28:10] You can wash hair. [00:28:11] How about CNAs, people that, medical that have to give baths? [00:28:14] Those are all exempt, specifically. [00:28:16] Yes, sir. [00:28:18] Hi, I'm Nicholas Ierna, 1312 Anglers Lane. [00:28:22] I have a speech on the bathhouse ordinance. [00:28:26] So at the last reading, the city council claimed that the ordinance is meant to deter sex trafficking. [00:28:32] And I'd like to open the question as to how it would do this. [00:28:36] In the best case scenario, where bathhouses are made illegal, and sex trafficking is more [00:28:43] or less eliminated from the area, traffickers will still traffic human beings just in different [00:28:51] industries, like the agricultural sector, where most of the trafficking in the United [00:28:55] States takes place. [00:28:57] In the most likely scenario, due to fines and arrests, the victims of the sex trafficking, [00:29:02] those who are forced to prostitute themselves, will have to return to the only jobs that [00:29:08] will hire convicts and felons, which will make them vulnerable to the same traffickers [00:29:14] that this ordinance supposedly targets. [00:29:18] Trafficking isn't a pimp with a gun standing outside a brothel filled with abused women. [00:29:24] Trafficking is threatening to reveal the immigration status of an undocumented worker. [00:29:31] Trafficking is offering a way out of debt in return for work. [00:29:37] The enforcement of this ordinance explicitly mentions that it doesn't preclude other enforcements. [00:29:42] This ordinance charges you per day for violation, and by virtue of its harsh punishments, it [00:29:50] will increase the debts of the workers and the victims with the addition of court costs [00:29:56] and fines for the cost of the investigation, driving them even further. [00:30:00] further into debt? Does not being able to feed your children or make rent for the month [00:30:05] and working outside of the law for six days justify you spending a year in jail for 15% [00:30:14] of your household income being surrendered to fines, up to 20% in cases? Does losing [00:30:22] your home and your children, ruining your future employment prospects, is that really [00:30:28] an appropriate response to six days of prostitution by choice or otherwise? [00:30:36] Last meeting I had hoped that the City Council would postpone this ordinance and seek to [00:30:39] learn more about how it would impact the lives of their citizens and discard or maybe amend [00:30:45] this ordinance to be less punitive. Now, as a concerned citizen, I implore you to halt [00:30:50] this ordinance. Not only was it apparently created without the input of the whole City [00:30:55] Council when it was first suggested last meeting, but it was also not thought out [00:31:00] with the members of the community who will most be affected by the passing of this ordinance. [00:31:06] Fighting against human trafficking is undoubtedly an important cause. Unfortunately, ordinance [00:31:11] such as this have the opposite effect. According to the National Survivors Network, a human [00:31:16] trafficking survival support organization, 90% of all sex trafficking victims face arrest. [00:31:23] This helps no one. Victims unable to get their convictions or felonies overturned after [00:31:29] they are proved to be victims no longer have job prospects. They turn back to the only [00:31:35] work that will accept them, which leaves them vulnerable for trafficking. [00:31:40] Ah. Victims need immunity so that they can call for help without fear of arrest or deportation. [00:31:47] If this City really cares about supporting human trafficking victims, please stop this [00:31:51] ordinance and work with organizations like the National Survivors Network to provide [00:31:56] true solutions. Thank you. [00:32:22] Hello, my name is Anthony Avila. I live at 13010 Moose Lane. I have prepared a statement [00:32:41] in opposition of this ordinance. Sex work is disproportionately utilized by those of [00:32:48] some of the most marginalized communities. Therefore, criminalization serves to further [00:32:52] detriment individuals within those communities. Because these groups are already impacted [00:32:58] by intense discrimination, limiting their ability to climb the socioeconomic ladder, [00:33:05] policies such as this ordinance limit opportunities, security, and power necessary for the full [00:33:10] enjoyment of human rights. These policies are onerous, discriminatory, and continue [00:33:18] the growth of poverty in our community. The priority of this Council to dedicate its governance [00:33:25] towards punitive measures and away from its responsibility to every constituent and the [00:33:32] sustainable and equitable improvement of life for everyone is in contrast with our values [00:33:39] and ought to be. Therefore, in contradicting with the purpose of all of us, this Council [00:33:48] who you are elected by, you are elected to represent the interests of every resident [00:33:58] and to do so with integrity. There are policies that can improve the economic possibilities [00:34:05] of folks here and enable them to be more productive members of our community and grow our economy [00:34:13] with purpose and ethically. We can and must take and make policies to engage the marginalized [00:34:24] and to increase the likelihood of socioeconomic growth to those whom this is most out of reach. [00:34:32] Let this city be an example of what is possible when its government and its engaged citizens [00:34:38] focus on honoring the dignity of all of their residents. Thank you. [00:34:56] My name is Marco McRae and I live at 1400 4th Street South and though the stated intention [00:35:03] of this Bath House Ordinance is to combat sex trafficking, it will not only fail in [00:35:08] this endeavor but also worsen the lives of legitimate non-coerced sex workers as well [00:35:13] as the impoverished people who would want to work at bath houses that do not provide [00:35:17] sex services. Bath houses provide employment and tax revenue to the city and the arrest [00:35:22] of bath house workers only costs more to keep people incarcerated while furthering human [00:35:27] misery. Furthermore, the continued criminalization of sex work is a human rights travesty. This [00:35:34] ordinance confuses the consensual voluntary exchange of sex services for money with the [00:35:41] coercion of vulnerable, often underage people to perform sex acts on others without compensation [00:35:46] and this ordinance does not explicitly combat or punish sex traffickers. Sex trafficking [00:35:52] victims often come from broken homes where they are abused and find comfort in the arms [00:35:56] of a person who provides consistent shelter and food and grooms them to perform these [00:36:01] sex acts. The illegalization of bath houses does nothing to address these circumstances [00:36:06] in which one would find themselves desperate enough to turn to a sex trafficker nor does [00:36:09] it target the predators who prey on the desperate. It does, however, punish the impoverished [00:36:14] who might take sex work as a means of providing for themselves and their families. The key [00:36:19] differences between sex trafficked people and sex workers is that sex workers use their [00:36:24] bodies to provide a service to other people. Sex work is already legalized in studios where [00:36:29] sex acts are recorded and sold for the viewing pleasure of millions and in clubs where sex [00:36:34] workers undress and dance for their customers' amusement. Why, then, is sex work where nobody [00:36:39] is recorded and does not take place in a public area conflated with sex trafficking? This [00:36:44] ordinance is irresponsible and contributes to a culture where people are arrested superfluously, [00:36:49] wasting taxpayer money, time, and effort, and must not pass. Thank you for your time. [00:36:54] Anyone else? [00:37:25] Good evening. My name is Zulima Ramos. I live at 401 West Kennedy in Tampa. Eradicating [00:37:36] bath houses hinders local economies by eliminating services that attract tourists when they are [00:37:42] visiting for leisure and business. Why limit the much-needed revenue from additional business? [00:37:48] Saunas and bath houses are popular in the U.S., especially amongst high-paying customers [00:37:53] like business people, snowbirds, and students. In addition, targeting bath houses in no way [00:37:58] guarantees that sex trafficking will be impacted. According to the National Human Trafficking [00:38:04] Hotline, there is no single profile for trafficking victims. Trafficking occurs to adults and [00:38:10] minors in rural, suburban, and urban communities across the country. Victims of human trafficking [00:38:16] have diverse socioeconomic backgrounds, varied levels of education, and may be documented [00:38:21] or undocumented. Traffickers target victims using tailored methods of recruitment and [00:38:26] control they find to be effective in compelling that individual into forced labor or commercial [00:38:31] sex. Furthermore, sex work is not sex trafficking. In sex work, the key distinction here is that [00:38:37] they do it voluntarily. They are not coerced or tricked into staying in the business, but [00:38:42] have chosen this from among the limited options available to them. Law enforcement raids in [00:38:48] the U.S. and abroad, for example, have led to little success identifying trafficked persons, [00:38:53] but instead have driven sex workers underground. This exposes sex workers to an increased risk [00:38:59] of violence and denies them any protection of laws against assault or access to medical, [00:39:06] legal, and educational services. Stigmatizing sex workers hurts them and sex trafficking [00:39:12] victims while insulating traffickers and abusers. As stated in the AMA Journal of [00:39:17] Ethics, in August 2016, Amnesty International, while maintaining and reaffirming its strong [00:39:24] condemnation of human trafficking, released a model policy that calls upon countries to [00:39:30] decriminalize the sex trade in order to better protect the health and human rights of sex [00:39:35] workers and sex trafficking victims alike. As Amnesty explains in the policy, decriminalization [00:39:42] is the shift from catch-all offenses that criminalize most or all aspects of sex work, [00:39:49] including laws like these that might target non-coercive third parties who purchase or [00:39:54] facilitate sex work, to effective laws and policies that provide protection for sex workers [00:39:59] from acts of exploitation and abuse. This policy has been supported by the World Health [00:40:03] Organization, UNAIDS, the Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women, Human Rights Watch, [00:40:09] Lambda Legal, the American Civil Liberties Union, Freedom Network USA, and numerous other [00:40:14] organizations that focus on vulnerable populations, including victims of human trafficking. On [00:40:20] top of all of this, statistically the majority of trafficking is labor trafficking, not sex [00:40:26] trafficking. For these reasons and more, I urge you all to oppose this bathhouse ordinance [00:40:32] and thank you so much for your time this evening. [00:40:34] Thank you. Next. [00:40:36] Pastor Victor from KJV Baptist Church. And I just want to say that this has to do with [00:41:06] this subject here. Bibles were given to public schools by Congress in the late 1700s. The [00:41:16] Ten Commandments was put in our schools and our courtrooms for a reason. Because with [00:41:22] the Ten Commandments, that's how you're going to have a peaceful society that gets along [00:41:27] with people. If it's against God's commandments for someone to commit adultery with somebody [00:41:37] else's wife, they also should not commit adultery. Obviously, that's going to cause problems [00:41:42] in a society. And as you see, this keeps on going on a downward trend. And I'm just wondering [00:41:53] when pedophiles are going to come in and demand their rights. And it can get to that. [00:42:00] And that's all I got to say. Thank you. Anyone else? [00:42:09] Hi there. I'm Margie Riddle out of Dunedin. If this ordinance is intended to protect the [00:42:19] victims of human trafficking, why are police performing criminal arrests of the victims? [00:42:25] Why does this ordinance further limit the opportunities of victims? Why have you taken [00:42:29] non-steps to ensure that they're protected instead of further turning them into traffic [00:42:36] victims? It's the time of the criminal justice system to actually change the way they're [00:42:42] handling things. Just as the previous person stated, you've got the World Health Organization, [00:42:47] Amnesty International, that have both done great studies on how to actually end trafficking, [00:42:53] how to end suffering to start with. We should be dealing with poverty first. If people are [00:42:58] able to actually handle affording our regular housing these days, they wouldn't have to [00:43:03] resort to things like this to start with. But instead, we've got so many people who [00:43:08] can't afford a living with a two-person household, or even a single-person household struggling [00:43:16] to sort children. And yet, if they turn to certain things like this, by choice, they're [00:43:23] made a criminal. By making them a criminal, that means that now they're going to have [00:43:27] a problem getting further jobs. How do they get out of this situation? Arrest isn't the [00:43:32] way to actually handle this. Arrest is the way to actually further it and make it worse. [00:43:37] When you arrest someone and give them no other options from this point forward in trying [00:43:40] to get housing so they end up in the motels that we're now going to complain about next [00:43:46] because they can't afford a down payment or deposit at decent places that will turn them [00:43:52] away because they do then have an arrest record. I don't see that this is a way that actually [00:43:56] helps and handles things. It actually only furthers it, makes it worse, leads them to [00:44:01] being easily exploited and trafficked. I really think we need to re-look at this. You've got [00:44:08] cities like the city of Washington, D.C. actually has before them, for the purpose [00:44:13] of harm reduction, to reduce the harm of people who are vulnerable and marginalized, that [00:44:21] they are actually considering making prostitution legal within Washington, D.C. as opposed to [00:44:27] an arrestable offense. They're looking more for helping people, not just cleaning the [00:44:33] city and making it look pretty pretty. It's not going to make it go away. It's just going [00:44:38] to make it harder to find. It's still going on. You've got all these websites in the last [00:44:45] year that were taken down so advertising can't happen. It doesn't mean it's gone away. It's [00:44:50] just not where you're able to see it. I don't think that's the proper way to handle things, [00:44:55] to drive the people who already can't afford further underground. [00:45:00] it makes them more vulnerable to the criminals, in fact, to more of the criminal element. [00:45:04] It isn't jobs like this that actually bring criminality. [00:45:07] It's the fact that you've criminalized them for having work, [00:45:11] for finding it the only way that they can, [00:45:13] that makes them more vulnerable to true criminals, [00:45:17] such as people who often cite pimps or traffickers. [00:45:21] Thank you. [00:45:22] I just think you need to reevaluate how you go about it. [00:45:26] Anyone else? [00:45:38] My name is Jim Griffith. [00:45:39] I'm here representing Tampa Bay Redneck Revolt. [00:45:42] We're a community defense organization. [00:45:44] We have members in Pasco, Polk, Hillsboro, and Pinellas. [00:45:49] I'm from down in Clearwater. [00:45:50] I have a statement that our members prepared. [00:45:54] Tampa Bay Redneck Revolt is a group of self-identified working class rednecks [00:45:58] who believe in the total liberation of all working people. [00:46:01] Regardless of skin color, religious background, sexual orientation, [00:46:05] gender identity, nationality, or any other division, [00:46:08] the bosses and politicians have used to fragment movements [00:46:11] for social, political, and economic freedom. [00:46:13] This includes division by stigmatization, [00:46:16] such as the stigmatization of sex work, [00:46:18] especially the sex work of people of color. [00:46:21] Hence, it is by this central mission of our organization [00:46:24] that we must oppose the proposed bathhouse ordinance [00:46:26] in solidarity with sex workers, the victims of sex trafficking, [00:46:30] spa workers, and organizations seeking what is truly best [00:46:33] for those that this ordinance criminalizes. [00:46:36] First, we recognize that sex workers and survivors of sex trafficking [00:46:39] are not synonymous. [00:46:40] Sex workers are people empowered to make their own decisions [00:46:43] about the type of work that they engage in, [00:46:45] while survivors of sex trafficking do not have a choice. [00:46:49] We understand that sex work has long been stigmatized [00:46:52] in order to criminalize the most vulnerable members of our communities. [00:46:55] Second, we believe the self-determination of all workers and survivors. [00:46:59] Only sex workers and survivors of sex trafficking [00:47:01] can truly understand their own needs. [00:47:03] Sex workers are exploited the same as all workers, [00:47:06] and they should be empowered to live safe, healthy lives, [00:47:09] while the survivors of sex trafficking deserve a path [00:47:11] grounded in dignity and self-determination. [00:47:14] Third, it is often the case that these bathhouse ordinances [00:47:16] unfairly target Asian spas, which we see as white supremacy at work. [00:47:20] We do not believe in placing strange and unrealistic regulations on these workers. [00:47:24] We also do not believe in treating immigrants, women, [00:47:27] and non-women of color like criminals. [00:47:29] Finally, we believe in centering and empowering survivors. [00:47:32] Arresting and deporting survivors has proven to harm them [00:47:35] and trap them in new cycles of abuse, [00:47:37] pushing them into increasingly unsafe situations or into our jails. [00:47:41] Hence, we support models of uplifting survivors of sex trafficking [00:47:45] that have a proven track record of improving their lives. [00:47:48] We believe that a better way to work with survivors of sex trafficking [00:47:51] is to grant them immunity from arrest and sanctuary from deportation. [00:47:54] Thank you for your time. [00:48:15] Thank you. [00:48:39] I'm Sarah Sokash of St. Pete. [00:48:42] This ordinance is intended to protect the victims of human trafficking and prostitution. [00:48:48] Why isn't this ordinance making any allowances [00:48:52] for actually helping the individuals that are victims of human trafficking? [00:48:57] The city is choosing to operate in a punitive manner [00:49:00] and charging these victims as criminals. [00:49:03] You have made no attempts to make any allowances [00:49:07] for how these individuals are going to be handled [00:49:10] and, in your own words, rescued from this industry. [00:49:15] As far as you guys have made clear, [00:49:22] this is going to further criminalize the already at-risk community. [00:49:27] Confusing consensual sex work with human trafficking is harmful [00:49:31] and only serves to potentially force an already at-risk community [00:49:35] into a further marginalized space. [00:49:41] You guys have made no attempts to implement an amnesty code [00:49:45] that would allow victims or witnesses of sexual violence, [00:49:48] including human trafficking, [00:49:51] to ask for help without risking themselves being faced with criminal codes. [00:49:57] This isn't right. [00:49:58] You guys haven't made any allowances to take the human element [00:50:02] and take these individuals into consideration. [00:50:05] Your ordinance only marginalizes and further victimizes these individuals, [00:50:10] making them further victims of a criminal code. [00:50:15] How are you protecting these individuals and helping them [00:50:19] if you're only further criminalizing them [00:50:21] and forcing them to stay in an already marginalized society? [00:50:27] You guys really need to take a look at this ordinance [00:50:29] and the individuals that it's affecting and the communities that it's affecting [00:50:32] and how this is going to negatively impact your community. [00:50:37] This isn't saving anyone. [00:50:38] It's not helping anyone. [00:50:40] All you're doing is creating ordinances in order to line the coffers of city council. [00:50:47] Thank you. [00:50:49] Anyone else? [00:51:17] Diane Shanks, 6741 Palmander Avenue, New Port Richey. [00:51:21] The council talks about this ordinance as if it's simply saying no to businesses being opened, [00:51:25] but that's a misrepresentation because there's such harsh criminal punishments for a violation. [00:51:30] In the summary at the last meeting, [00:51:31] it was noted that a violator could be fined up to $500 and spend 60 days in jail, [00:51:35] but it wasn't noted that the language of the document clearly states [00:51:38] that every day a person is in violation is a separate offense. [00:51:42] So if someone is in violation for six days, they can be jailed for a year and fined $3,000. [00:51:47] Why not just say that you won't give permits to bathhouses? [00:51:50] Prostitution is already illegal. [00:51:52] This is just gratitutiously ruining women's lives. [00:51:54] Being jailed can disqualify you from certain assistance programs. [00:51:57] It can cause you to lose custody of your children. [00:51:59] It renders you homeless if you were working to pay rent. [00:52:01] Who's helped by this? [00:52:02] Whose life gets improved when we spend all this money on policing and imprisoning citizens? [00:52:07] At the last meeting, the council claimed a connection between prostitution and drug addiction [00:52:10] as if getting rid of one would get rid of the other. [00:52:12] But criminalization is a cop-out of dealing with the real underlying issues [00:52:15] that cause community members to engage in things like prostitution and drug use. [00:52:19] Systemic poverty. [00:52:20] Every study shows this. [00:52:22] With crime, drug use, and sex work, the common thread is always poverty. [00:52:26] The median income in New Port Richey is roughly $17,000 a year. [00:52:29] Of course people do sex work. [00:52:31] They're trying to feed their kids. [00:52:32] To say that this only targets business owners is just an actual falsehood [00:52:35] because to quote the ordinance, [00:52:36] whoever commits any violation of this article or aids, abets, counsels, hires, [00:52:41] or otherwise procures any violation of this article [00:52:43] and such violation is committed or is attempted to be committed [00:52:46] is a principal and may be charged and punished for a violation of the article. [00:52:50] Whether or not he or she is actually or constructively present at the commission of the violation. [00:52:54] So you don't even have to actually successfully violate the article [00:52:58] in order to be punished as if you had [00:53:00] and everyone involved in the process can be charged to the fullest extent of the law. [00:53:03] This kind of punitive policing does not help your community. [00:53:06] If a violator did have a mainstream job, they certainly wouldn't after months in jail [00:53:10] and then who would hire them? [00:53:11] Who's going to employ someone who just got out of jail on prostitution charges? [00:53:15] Will you? [00:53:16] After you condemn them to a cycle of prostitution [00:53:18] or illegal methods of making money by making them unhirable? [00:53:21] If you're worried about drug dealing, this is a fast way to cause it. [00:53:24] In such a poor city, that final loan can put someone into debt [00:53:27] which again forces them to find a way to come up with cash quickly. [00:53:31] I don't know who you think prostitutes are. [00:53:33] They're not dirty, drug-addled, sex-crazed criminals. [00:53:36] They're members of your community who need money badly enough to risk arrest. [00:53:40] Sex work is a non-violent survival strategy. [00:53:43] That's why their presence is increased in poor areas. [00:53:45] Do you really in your heart believe that this warrants that much jail time? [00:53:49] We don't. [00:53:50] Everyone here is representing a different non-profit and organization [00:53:53] that tells you that this does not work. [00:53:57] This isn't how Jesus acted when he came across prostitutes either, for the record. [00:54:00] And a whole slew of 501c3s and community organizations [00:54:03] that have done the research and invested their lives [00:54:05] into figuring out the most effective way to both heal communities and protect victims [00:54:09] are telling you that this is not it. [00:54:11] This will not work the way you want it to. [00:54:13] This will irreparably ruin the lives of your poorest community members. [00:54:17] If you want to do something constructive that would actually protect human trafficking victims, [00:54:20] why not propose an ordinance like the very effective Title IX provision, [00:54:24] which would allow people to report sexual abuse, including sex trafficking, [00:54:27] without putting themselves at risk of arrest? [00:54:29] At the very least, amend the ordinance to strike out the criminal punishments. [00:54:33] Make it so that it does what you claim it does, [00:54:35] denies business permits to bathhouses. [00:54:37] There's no reason for you to ruin people's lives [00:54:39] while you project your puritanical moralism onto the community you're sworn to protect. [00:54:43] Thank you for your time. [00:54:44] Anyone else? [00:54:45] Anyone else? [00:54:47] Thank you. [00:54:53] I have a walking problem here. [00:54:54] I need to fill this out, I guess. [00:54:59] Okay. [00:55:00] Okay. [00:55:01] Okay. [00:55:02] Okay. [00:55:03] Okay. [00:55:04] Okay. [00:55:05] Okay. [00:55:06] My name is Benita Brea. [00:55:07] You know, I live at 6442 Pueblo Avenue, New Port Richey, Florida. [00:55:10] And, you know, I actually want to thank you. [00:55:13] I want to thank you for proposing that ordinance. [00:55:16] I'm thankful that you're standing up for something that is so important. [00:55:21] And I want to tell you, there was a time in my life where I was very poor. [00:55:25] I lived in my car. [00:55:26] But you know what? [00:55:27] I didn't go become a prostitute. [00:55:29] And I was better looking back then, too. [00:55:31] And I didn't go ahead and do sin and do wrong things and break the law so that I could make it. [00:55:38] No, I lived in my car. [00:55:39] You know what? [00:55:40] Then my car broke down. [00:55:41] And you know what? [00:55:42] I ended up living in Southern California. [00:55:44] And, you know, I actually want to thank you. [00:55:47] You know what? [00:55:48] Then my car broke down. [00:55:49] And you know what? [00:55:50] I ended up living in somebody's driveway for a period of time in my car. [00:55:53] Okay. [00:55:54] And I looked around and I said, I can walk there. [00:55:57] I guess I better get a job there. [00:55:59] And that's where I got a job. [00:56:01] And that's where I got back on my feet. [00:56:03] But I'm saying that the fact that these women, and I feel bad for them, but you know what? [00:56:08] They don't have to break the law. [00:56:10] There are other ways to do it. [00:56:11] You can. [00:56:12] You can make it. [00:56:13] If you do what's right, you can make it. [00:56:16] You can get a job. [00:56:17] You can get back on your feet. [00:56:19] We don't have to say, okay, we're going to accept all this. [00:56:21] We're going to let everybody break the law. [00:56:23] Or we're going to change the law so we can accept all this sin. [00:56:25] I'm proud of New Port Richey for standing up for what's right in this instance. [00:56:29] I'm very proud of you. [00:56:30] There are other ways to do it. [00:56:31] I did it. [00:56:32] Other people can do it, too. [00:56:34] Thank you. [00:56:36] Applause [00:56:41] Anyone else? [00:57:06] Actually, I came here for the meeting that I missed about Sims Park. [00:57:09] But either way, I came here and I heard everybody say what they had to say. [00:57:14] New Port Richey is not that big. [00:57:16] I think you guys are doing a great job. [00:57:18] And if they're really having a hard time, they can go somewhere else. [00:57:21] The fact of the matter is, as I grew up, there was opportunities that I could make more money, get work, [00:57:29] and I moved to those places to do what I wanted to do. [00:57:33] If people are insistent on doing something like this, let them go do it, and they can do it somewhere else. [00:57:38] How big is New Port Richey? [00:57:39] How far is Hudson? [00:57:40] How far is Hillsborough County, Pinellas County? [00:57:44] If they want to allow them to do it, let them do it. [00:57:46] But I live here. [00:57:48] I'm a resident here. [00:57:49] I want New Port Richey to clean up, and I want to see it get better. [00:57:52] And you guys are doing a great job so far. [00:57:54] Don't stop. [00:57:55] Don't be intimidated. [00:57:56] Do what's right. [00:57:57] That's it. [00:57:59] Thank you. [00:58:00] Anyone else? [00:58:02] I just also wanted to come before you. [00:58:09] Obviously, you know me from before. [00:58:11] My name is Jacob Fierce. [00:58:12] I just wanted to applaud you guys for not providing a place for this to prosper because of, I mean, [00:58:21] we don't know how this would affect our youth. [00:58:24] You know, who's going to be overwatching? [00:58:29] I mean, if a bathhouse was allowed, who's going to be overwatching to make sure minors are not going into there, [00:58:34] you know, and receiving sexual services? [00:58:37] I mean, let alone as far as who's going to be overwatching screening services as well to make sure that sexual diseases [00:58:47] are not being spread into the community. [00:58:50] So, I mean, I see there definitely being a lot of problems. [00:58:54] I mean, either we're a nation of laws or we're not. [00:58:56] We don't, you know, we're a nation of lawlessness. [00:58:58] So, last time I checked, prostitution is still illegal federally. [00:59:02] So, I'm with you guys on this. [00:59:05] I do think that there could be some way, like a silver lining here as far as maybe providing some incentives to local [00:59:15] business members to hire sex trafficking victims, you know, to get them out of that type of work to where they can [00:59:24] actually, you know, get up on their two feet and earn money by the sweat of their brow and be able to provide for their [00:59:30] families still so they're not pushed towards that type of work. [00:59:34] Because, I mean, obviously as many other people brought up, they're going to find a way to do it either way. [00:59:39] But I certainly do not agree with there being a place known for that kind of thing happening. [00:59:47] So, I'll leave it at that. [00:59:50] Thank you. [00:59:51] Anyone else? [00:59:53] Seeing no one else come forward, I'll bring it back to council. [00:59:56] Move for approval. [00:59:57] Second. [00:59:58] To the maker. [01:00:00] Thank you for coming out. I know it's tough to speak in public where a lot of people aren't used to doing it. I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree with you. [01:00:07] I welcome everybody's opinion, but I'm in favor of this ordinance. [01:00:13] Mr. Murphy? [01:00:14] No, I'm good. Thank you. [01:00:15] Mr. Allman? [01:00:17] I do have something to say. First of all, I've got to say that the thought that went behind the written commentary and the expressions that we got, [01:00:28] information, research, all those things, was well performed and well done. [01:00:37] I was reading the section 13603 on enforcement at the same time that the comment was made about who can be arrested and what is the penalty and what is the purpose. [01:00:50] So as I read the ordinance, it says the purpose is to prohibit the permitting and licensing of these businesses in our city. [01:00:57] That's what I heard from the last gentleman who said they can do that somewhere else and not getting into the weeds of support or opposition to prostitution, [01:01:10] which is a much bigger discussion than probably this room or our body is proper to take up. [01:01:20] In reading this, it bounces back between the owner or the operator of a business. [01:01:29] So as I'm told, this ordinance is for us to prohibit the licensing or operation of this business. [01:01:36] If somebody is found to be doing what is said to be happening here, it should be clear that it is the business owner or the property owner who's going to be held liable for that activity. [01:01:52] When we get into this discussion in 13603, I too see that it could be anyone who has any part in this process that is going to be affected by this ordinance. [01:02:04] I don't understand legally what that means, and I'd like to have some clarification. [01:02:09] Are we really saying here that we're looking for someone who operates this? [01:02:14] Because it sounds like it could be the secretary who placed the ad. [01:02:18] It could be the individual who did the bath, who participated by applying some liquid to somebody's torso. [01:02:26] Yes, it does provide for enforcement against persons that provide the bath. [01:02:30] That is one of the elements of it. [01:02:32] Typically, in enforcement of these kinds of cases, we would go after the owner initially. [01:02:37] These other mechanisms are in there as a secondary way to enforce the ordinance to make sure that these owners do not have a way in which they can operate this type of facility. [01:02:49] So that can happen. [01:02:50] There are criminal penalties in every city ordinance. [01:02:53] Every city ordinance carries with it a violation where you can be imprisoned up to 60 days. [01:02:58] I can tell you that never happens. [01:03:01] I wouldn't even say it rarely happens. [01:03:02] It never happens, but it is allowed by law, and it is something that we're required to provide by statute. [01:03:09] It's up to the court to determine whether that type of punishment would be necessary, and I can tell you that it probably will never happen. [01:03:15] I've never seen it. [01:03:16] I've been doing this for 32 years. [01:03:18] So you do have to have these other mechanisms because people will try to get around the – [01:03:26] if you just aim it at the owner or the operator, then folks will try to get around it. [01:03:31] So you have these other mechanisms. [01:03:33] It's a staggered approach to enforcing it, and it also gives us the authority to take them to court and get injunctive relief against the owner and to take other remedies. [01:03:42] But the idea is that you have a number of different ways that you can enforce the ordinance to make sure that these types of facilities do not operate. [01:03:50] So with that being said, thank you for the clarification. [01:03:56] The other string of logic that's been presented to us is related to human trafficking. [01:04:04] There's a statement at the beginning of this ordinance that indicates that human trafficking is a problem in the city of New Port Richey. [01:04:12] So I have to ask, do we have – have we been – have we arrested and prosecuted for human trafficking in New Port Richey? [01:04:22] No. [01:04:23] Okay. [01:04:24] So in my view, we could strike the whole human trafficking out because that's a big part of what I'm hearing. [01:04:31] And human trafficking – we're trying to stop these businesses from operating in our city. [01:04:37] And so prostitution is prostitution. [01:04:39] It's illegal. [01:04:41] Human trafficking is a stigma that we've been – that's been identified, well-researched, backed up. [01:04:48] And so I know that we've got Belt and Suspender's approach to what we're doing, that we want – if this doesn't work, we want to do that. [01:04:56] But I think we could be a little more clear in the way in which we're – which we're presenting this. [01:05:05] I support the idea that these businesses don't belong here. [01:05:09] These other issues, which may never come into play, are still written on pen and paper, and they're in there. [01:05:16] So I'm a little uncomfortable that we're saying that we have a problem, and yet we've not arrested anybody. [01:05:25] Maybe we know what's going on. [01:05:27] We just haven't arrested anybody or stopped anybody. [01:05:30] But I don't like to say something that isn't backed up factually. [01:05:37] Chief? [01:05:38] Can I make a comment? [01:05:39] Please. [01:05:40] If your city manager will let you. [01:05:42] Please do, Chief. [01:05:44] Both bathhouses that we shut down several months ago, the – and I'm just going along with the victims that worked there. [01:05:54] They slept in pallets, on pallets in those places. [01:05:58] They had a tiny – you couldn't call it a kitchenette. [01:06:01] They did not leave the premises. [01:06:04] But – and because we staked them out, we know for a fact they stayed there overnight, day after day. [01:06:11] Without victim cooperation, it's impossible to make a trafficking case. [01:06:18] And do I know that trafficking is – human trafficking is going on? [01:06:22] Absolutely. [01:06:24] Can I prove it? [01:06:25] Not to where – how can I do it? [01:06:27] How can I take it to court without a victim to cooperate? [01:06:30] We had to separate the victims from the owner because of the eye contact that the owner was giving to the victims to make them shut up. [01:06:39] So don't think it isn't really happening. [01:06:41] It is. [01:06:42] Thank you. [01:06:43] It's just a very challenging thing. [01:06:44] Well, thank you. [01:06:45] I'd like to follow up on that before anybody else does since I asked that question, [01:06:48] which is thank you for what you've done to at least stop what was occurring from occurring here. [01:06:55] There is no doubt that the folks whose hearts bleed for these folks that are coming to us, [01:07:01] telling us how important it is for them to try to protect their rights, [01:07:05] that they might share what I'm sure is your frustration as well as anyone else who's in law enforcement [01:07:11] at seeing this occur and being unable to really convict. [01:07:17] That being said, I'm not so sure that the word human trafficking in this ordinance is necessary for us to stop it, [01:07:23] why we're putting it in there. [01:07:26] Human trafficking is what it is. [01:07:27] I imagine if you could make a case, you would, which would be based on your observations. [01:07:32] It just seems we've gotten a little farther into the sex trade business than what we really intended, [01:07:38] which was just to stop these businesses from occurring in our city. [01:07:43] And so those are my comments. [01:07:45] Thank you. [01:07:46] Mr. Mayor, my motion stands as is. [01:07:49] Thank you. [01:07:56] When somebody decides to live together, it is not my job to be judgmental of them. [01:08:13] There's a higher authority that will make that determination one way or another. [01:08:22] However, condoning the operation of what is essentially a commercial front for prostitution in the city of New Port Richey [01:08:35] to me is a bridge far too far. [01:08:40] And I am not willing to allow that in the city of New Port Richey. [01:08:45] And I support the motion. [01:08:49] Any further discussion? [01:08:52] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:08:55] Aye. [01:08:56] Opposed, like sign. [01:08:57] Motion passes. [01:08:58] No for the record. [01:08:59] No. [01:09:00] We were quarter one. [01:09:03] Next is First Reading Ordinance 2019-2148. [01:09:09] This is Ordinance 2019-2148, an ordinance of the City of New Port Richey, Florida,

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    First Reading - Ordinance No. 2019-2148: Permitted Uses in Highway Commercial Zoning District

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    First reading of Ordinance No. 2019-2148 amending the Land Development Code regarding the Highway Commercial Zoning District: removing hotels as a permitted use (making them conditional), prohibiting motels and transient residential lodging (with existing uses becoming nonconforming and phased out by Dec 31, 2021), adding definitions, prohibiting outdoor storage at motels/hotels, and restricting multifamily apartments. Representatives of HDG Hotels (Quality Inn) spoke with concerns about the ordinance language affecting legitimate long-term guests like construction workers, relocating families, and disaster evacuees.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2019-2148

    • direction:First reading of Ordinance No. 2019-2148 was presented and public hearing held; Land Development Review Board had unanimously recommended approval. (none)

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    [01:09:14] amending Section 7.09.01 of Chapter 7 of the Land Development Code pertaining to permitted uses [01:09:20] in the Highway Commercial Zoning District, providing for removal of hotels as a permitted use, [01:09:25] amending Section 7.09.02 thereof pertaining to conditional uses in the Highway Commercial Zoning District, [01:09:32] providing for addition of multifamily apartments and hotels as conditional uses, [01:09:37] providing for amendment of Section 7.09.03 thereof pertaining to prohibited uses in the Highway Commercial Zoning District, [01:09:44] providing for prohibition of motels and transient residential lodging, [01:09:48] providing for amendment of Section 2.01.00 definitions to add definitions for hotel, motel, and transient residential lodging, [01:09:57] providing for amendment of Subparagraph B of Subsection 1 of Section 15.00.00 of Chapter 15 pertaining to general nuisances, [01:10:07] prohibiting outdoor storage of items at motels, hotels, and public accommodations, [01:10:12] providing for nonconforming transient residential lodging uses, [01:10:15] prohibiting all transient residential lodging in the Highway Commercial Zoning District after December 31, 2021, [01:10:23] providing for severability, providing for codification, and providing an effective date. [01:10:28] Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, as Mr. Driscoll indicated, the first reading of the ordinance relates to permitted uses in the Highway Commercial Zoning District. [01:10:43] The ordinance effectively does three things. [01:10:49] One, it establishes hotels as an eligible use in the zoning classification only as a conditional use. [01:11:00] It removes motels as a permitted use and instead they become nonconforming uses. [01:11:09] Motels that have a nonconforming use status, that means three different things. [01:11:19] It means you cannot expand the footprint of the building. [01:11:23] It means that if you are, if you experience some type of natural disaster, [01:11:32] if over 51% of the structure's market value is damaged, you may not reestablish it. [01:11:39] It also means that if the business ceases to operate for a 12-month period of time, that it cannot be resumed. [01:11:49] The third thing that the ordinance does is establish guidelines for transient housing [01:11:55] and phases out transient housing as an activity in motels as of December 31st, 2021. [01:12:08] And I've asked Mr. Romanoli to put together a PowerPoint presentation to you so that we can present fully the ordinance [01:12:18] and respond to any questions that you may have of us. Mr. Romanoli. [01:12:22] Thank you, Ms. Mance. [01:12:24] So as Ms. Mance said, this ordinance has many different functions, but why is it happening? [01:12:31] The motels that we have in the city are becoming older and they're beginning to decay. [01:12:36] We have two that are approaching 70 years of age. [01:12:39] These motels are inspected every year. [01:12:43] Every year we find new problems, new maintenance issues, [01:12:46] new repairs that are needed that the motel owners are not taking care of until we, as the inspectors of them, [01:12:55] tell them they need to do this. [01:12:57] Some of them have been converted to transient living facilities. [01:13:00] Now, the problem with that is that people live there. [01:13:03] We have lodging records of people that have lived in some of these hotels for years. [01:13:08] These rooms do not have cooking facilities, but people cook in them. [01:13:12] Sometimes these rooms have four or five people, including children, [01:13:16] which creates unhealthy living environments. [01:13:20] What this will do, remove hotels as a permitted use and only allow as a conditional use. [01:13:27] Actually, Ms. Mance went through all these things already, [01:13:30] but I will go through some of the details of them as we go on. [01:13:34] So hotels must be approved as a conditional use, [01:13:37] and what that means is that it has to be the Planning and Development Department just can't approve a hotel application. [01:13:44] It would have to go through the Land Development Review Board and to the City Council for approval. [01:13:49] And hotels, which will be the only thing that will be permitted, must have at least 25 or more rooms. [01:13:56] The rooms can only be accessible from inside hallways, [01:14:00] and there must be a covered drop-off place for vehicles and pedestrians to be dropped off. [01:14:06] So basically, no rooms that go out to parking areas will be permitted in these structures. [01:14:15] So transient lodging is defined as leasing or letting of rooms in any facility [01:14:21] that does not contain a full kitchen to persons who typically do not have another primary residence. [01:14:27] Any public lodging establishment that rents, lets, or otherwise provides for compensation, [01:14:34] 20% or more of total rooming units to persons or entities for occupancy that exceeds any part of 28 consecutive days [01:14:41] or 28 total days in a period of 60 days shall be deemed to provide a transient residential lodging. [01:14:49] And I apologize, I will never use this color again in a PowerPoint because I'm having a problem reading it myself. [01:14:54] But basically, that means if there's more than 20% of the people living there for a certain period of time, [01:15:00] considered transient lodging and it will not be permitted. [01:15:08] So, and that is small and I apologize for that. [01:15:13] But so the current transient lodging [01:15:16] will be considered non-conforming [01:15:18] and will be allowed to continue as we've said before [01:15:21] until December 31st, 2021. [01:15:26] It'll only be allowed if each occupant [01:15:29] no later than October 1st of that year [01:15:31] that long-term housing will no longer be allowed [01:15:34] after that date. [01:15:37] Every year, the hotel is followed [01:15:39] with the Planning and Development Department [01:15:41] and report or statement identifying each rooming unit, [01:15:44] the dates of occupancy and the party renting [01:15:47] or letting the same for each unit [01:15:50] occupied for the prior year by persons [01:15:53] who meet those definitions. [01:15:54] A ledger must be maintained [01:15:56] that showing each person or entity renting [01:15:58] or letting the same and the duration of such occupancy [01:16:02] and that must be open to the city to review. [01:16:05] Requires each person or entity renting or letting a room [01:16:08] to provide a major credit card or photo ID [01:16:11] prior to occupancy and maintains a record [01:16:14] and allows again the city to review those records as needed. [01:16:20] The other requirements of this ordinance [01:16:24] will not allow storage outside of rooms [01:16:34] on either fences that are around rooms or rooms themselves. [01:16:38] They cannot store things outside. [01:16:40] Also, multifamily apartments will not be allowed anymore [01:16:45] in the Highway Commercial District [01:16:48] except if it's part of a greater mixed-use project [01:16:52] that has residential units not on the first floor. [01:16:56] This ordinance went to the Land Development Review Board. [01:16:59] They unanimously recommend its approval [01:17:01] and I present it to the City Council. [01:17:02] Can I ask Mr. O'Malley a question? [01:17:04] What's the purpose behind, [01:17:06] you must have a, we're going to have a lot of discussion [01:17:09] as I can see on this, both with council [01:17:10] and from input from the public, [01:17:12] but just a quick question that popped up [01:17:13] from your PowerPoint for me. [01:17:15] Why, what's the purpose of having, [01:17:17] you must have a major credit card and photo ID to check in? [01:17:20] Or photo ID. [01:17:21] Or photo, okay, I thought it was both. [01:17:22] Is that correct? [01:17:23] Yes, it's or. [01:17:24] Okay, thank you. [01:17:25] I read that wrong. [01:17:26] It's just so we can identify the occupant. [01:17:33] The case, we'll open this up. [01:17:37] It is a public hearing. [01:17:38] We'll open it up for public discussion. [01:17:41] Would ask when you come in that you legibly [01:17:43] print your name and address for the record. [01:17:51] Thank you. [01:18:10] I don't normally take texts in the middle of the meeting, [01:18:13] but my wife is telling me my son is coming in early tonight. [01:18:18] He's flying in from Tokyo, so. [01:18:21] I'll see him when I get home. [01:18:22] Congrats. [01:18:23] Good evening, everyone. [01:18:24] My name is Judy Sutton. [01:18:27] I'm also a regional team leader for HDG Hotels. [01:18:31] We've been managing and operating [01:18:32] the Quality Inn New Port Richey for the last seven years. [01:18:35] I also reside in Pasco County. [01:18:37] I live at 1255 Orange View Lane in Holiday, Florida. [01:18:41] Since taking over the Quality Inn several years ago, [01:18:46] I have to say it was a very distressed property at the time. [01:18:49] There was a lot of changes coming in. [01:18:51] We're still doing a lot of renovating. [01:18:53] It's been over $3.5 million [01:18:55] that we put into the property as far. [01:18:57] We're looking even as of this year to add an under $100,000 [01:19:00] as far as the landscaping concerns of the property. [01:19:03] Converting all of the rooms right now [01:19:05] from taking out the carpet, the padding, [01:19:08] turning everything to luxury vinyl tile [01:19:10] and upgrading all the rooms. [01:19:11] The bathrooms have all been done. [01:19:13] We've taken a lot of care and projects into the property [01:19:17] to help nothing but establish more of the community [01:19:20] and put a better standing in for ourselves. [01:19:23] I know Ms. Debbie Vance had stayed with us for a little bit [01:19:26] when she was transitioning to our area. [01:19:27] She was with us for three plus months. [01:19:30] We also serve with Chopper Davis [01:19:32] on the Tourist Development Council. [01:19:34] So we're very grounded in the community. [01:19:36] We're just trying to make sure our voices are heard [01:19:39] as far as some of maybe the editing [01:19:42] or the questions of the ordinance themselves [01:19:44] because portions of it we do absolutely agree with. [01:19:48] It's just a matter of maybe some of the fine tuning [01:19:51] on some of these projects. [01:19:53] I do have a couple team members that are also here with me [01:19:55] that would also like to have a few moments of your time. [01:19:58] So if you don't mind, I'm gonna go ahead [01:20:00] and have them step up and thank you very much. [01:20:03] Thank you. [01:20:14] Thank you. [01:20:28] Brian, can you set that other standard up over by, [01:20:34] maybe by Crystal and then put that sheet over there [01:20:37] so I can sign in or sign out whichever way [01:20:39] whether they wanna do it before or after. [01:20:41] Good idea. [01:20:43] Thank you. [01:20:43] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. [01:20:45] I just don't want to sit here [01:20:46] and watch people sign in and sign out all night. [01:20:50] If this audience was approved a few years ago, [01:20:53] probably we're not gonna have a chance [01:20:55] to host you for three months throughout your transition [01:20:59] to the city of New Port Richey. [01:21:01] So you should have looked for other alternatives, obviously. [01:21:05] My name is Jerry. [01:21:06] I'm the General Manager of the Quality [01:21:08] in Conference and Suites of 19. [01:21:12] And I've been at this property for three years now. [01:21:17] I'm honored to lead most of the renovation projects [01:21:20] in this facility that pass three and a half million dollars [01:21:24] and the counter is still clicking. [01:21:28] 100 plus more this year just for landscaping [01:21:31] and fixing the outside of the property just for a little bit. [01:21:37] Now, just to explain the long-term housing [01:21:42] term that I've heard. [01:21:44] Now, some of our guests are construction workers [01:21:49] that comes to the city of New Port Richey [01:21:51] because we have projects that need them to stay in. [01:21:55] So they check in on Friday, [01:21:57] on Monday, they check out on Friday. [01:21:59] If you calculate their staying [01:22:00] within the project period of time, [01:22:02] it will pass the 28 days in 60 days period. [01:22:05] So what's the alternatives for them? [01:22:07] Where are they going to go? [01:22:09] The other reason for people to come [01:22:11] and stay this length of time is opening new businesses. [01:22:15] And I hosted a few of them in our facility. [01:22:20] They come here, they look at the real estate, [01:22:21] they start the constructions, [01:22:23] they start the process of hiring, training. [01:22:25] That will take more than 28 days until they get finished. [01:22:28] Where are they going to go? [01:22:29] And if we're going to allow them to stay [01:22:31] in the city of New Port Richey, [01:22:32] basically they're going to go somewhere else [01:22:34] and they travel back and forth. [01:22:36] So we're losing revenue and possibly losing the businesses [01:22:39] if they cannot do it. [01:22:40] Now, we have a residence that moved into the area. [01:22:45] So before they find their home, [01:22:48] they come and stay and look for houses. [01:22:52] I witnessed this myself. [01:22:54] I mean, I had a problem closing in my house. [01:22:56] It took me more than 28 days to solve that issue. [01:22:58] So my other alternative is to stay somewhere [01:23:01] until I go to my forever house. [01:23:04] And that will take me more than the time we allow in here. [01:23:09] People who flee for natural disasters, [01:23:14] we hosted a few of the people [01:23:16] that got kicked out of apartment buildings [01:23:19] because they have electric issues [01:23:20] that required zoning and reworking. [01:23:23] And actually the building management [01:23:26] is the one who did that reservation for them. [01:23:29] We worked with natural disasters. [01:23:33] We all remember the hurricane that hit our area last year. [01:23:37] And we worked in having people [01:23:40] that could not go back to their houses. [01:23:42] They were not allowed to go back to their houses [01:23:45] for a few months until they were allowed to go back. [01:23:48] We worked with FEMA and they approved them for 90 days [01:23:51] stay at once every time until they can get the insurance [01:23:56] or they get the FEMA money to rebuild [01:23:59] or be able to fix their houses. [01:24:01] Now, we need to look for alternatives [01:24:04] before we proceed in this, [01:24:05] or maybe rewrite it in a way [01:24:07] that would not affect this kind of businesses. [01:24:10] We are agreeing in the concept of it [01:24:12] that we are not for a long-term housing. [01:24:15] This is not why our businesses is in for, [01:24:18] but we need to maintain the flow of those people [01:24:22] coming to our city and investing in it. [01:24:24] Now, from other point of view, [01:24:26] our facility hosts 40 employees [01:24:29] that we offer them a full health benefit, [01:24:31] dental and vision, [01:24:33] 401k that get matched if they chose to. [01:24:37] Now, we already invested money [01:24:40] that was spent for local contractors that work. [01:24:44] That's three and a half million dollars. [01:24:45] We did not import people from outside to do the jobs. [01:24:49] We hired people from our city or the surrounding areas. [01:24:53] Now, if we gonna decide to shut that kind of business [01:24:57] or lose that kind of business, [01:24:59] we affecting the residents of New Port Richey [01:25:02] that work with us and work for us. [01:25:07] All what we asking is just please reconsider [01:25:09] maybe the wordings in that. [01:25:11] So we will achieve our goal [01:25:14] without affecting our employees, [01:25:17] without affecting our businesses, [01:25:20] without affecting the residents of our city [01:25:23] by not studying this a little more. [01:25:26] So maybe we need to push it maybe a little more on timing [01:25:29] so we can reconsider, [01:25:31] we can reconnect and talk with the businesses around us [01:25:35] and see what's going on. [01:25:36] Thank you very much for your time. [01:25:38] I've got a question. [01:25:39] I got a question. [01:25:40] I got a question, sir. [01:25:43] Come back up here. [01:25:44] I got a question. [01:25:45] This is this ordinance, I believe if I'm correctly, [01:25:48] it's only talking about 20% of the rooms. [01:25:50] Is that correct? [01:25:51] Yeah, the other important note to make. [01:25:53] Okay, I mean, the 20% of the rooms [01:25:55] and also if it's a major disaster or something, [01:25:58] then this ordinance does not take an effect. [01:26:01] So, you know, if these people are staying there [01:26:03] because of some, you know, [01:26:04] whether it's a hurricane or some other disaster [01:26:06] in their area, fire, stuff like that, [01:26:08] that wouldn't count towards the 20%, am I correct there? [01:26:13] We could, as far as the, first of all, [01:26:16] the 20% rule is important [01:26:19] because if the gentleman's talking [01:26:21] about construction workers, [01:26:22] if he's renting out 21% of his building [01:26:25] to construction workers that are staying there [01:26:27] for more than 28 days, [01:26:28] then that would violate the ordinance. [01:26:29] Right, I understand that part. [01:26:30] Let me ask you. [01:26:32] Stop. [01:26:32] Yeah, well, as far as natural disaster [01:26:36] during a hurricane or some other event, [01:26:39] ordinances can be suspended during that process. [01:26:43] This does not provide an exemption [01:26:44] in the ordinance itself for natural disaster. [01:26:47] It's geared towards businesses that are operating that way. [01:26:52] A situation in which you have a one-time event [01:26:57] during a storm or something [01:26:58] would probably not trigger this ordinance, [01:27:00] but we can suspend ordinances [01:27:02] during natural disaster as well, [01:27:05] but this is to try to drive out this particular type of use. [01:27:09] Well, I was also thinking of, you know, a fire situation, [01:27:14] you know, like a apartment building burns down, [01:27:17] you know, then, you know, all of them might, [01:27:19] you know, get a deal at his hotel, you know, to- [01:27:23] Again, they'd have to occupy more than 20% of the building [01:27:26] in that manner for it to violate the ordinance. [01:27:29] Well, let me note that we are 150 rooms hotel. [01:27:33] That's 30 rooms. 150 rooms. [01:27:36] Now, I will encourage all of you, [01:27:38] or maybe some of you to come and visit our facility [01:27:42] to see how much we did [01:27:43] and what's the improvement we made into it. [01:27:47] You might look at the building from outside, [01:27:48] passing by 19. [01:27:49] That will not give you an idea what's inside our room. [01:27:52] So I encourage any one of you to come and visit our facility [01:27:55] to decide why we're gonna decide [01:27:57] to shut down this business. [01:27:59] Thank you. Thank you. [01:28:00] Mr. Altman. [01:28:01] Yeah, I think that what seems to be missing to me [01:28:03] is that the definition of transient rental lodging [01:28:07] says that this is leasing rooms [01:28:12] that don't contain a full kitchen [01:28:13] to persons who typically [01:28:15] do not have another primary residence. [01:28:18] So somebody coming in from out of town to work here, [01:28:20] to open a business, who left his family behind, [01:28:23] whose family is back there, who came ahead of him, [01:28:25] none of those people would meet the definition [01:28:27] of a transient rental, [01:28:29] and none of those people would be under the 20% factor, [01:28:32] if I'm reading this correctly. [01:28:34] Yes, sir. [01:28:35] Yes, that is correct. [01:28:40] Good evening. Thank you very much. [01:28:41] I know Tuesday's turned out to be a long day for you guys, [01:28:45] so thank you very much for taking your time. [01:28:46] My name's Jeff Bailey. [01:28:48] I live in Ocala, Florida, address 2527, [01:28:51] Southeast 28th Lane. [01:28:53] I'm actually the Chief Operating Officer of HCG Hotels, [01:28:56] who operates the quality in here in New Port Richey. [01:29:01] I think there's a couple of things that have been lost. [01:29:04] You know, the pictures that you showed [01:29:06] in the PowerPoint presentation, [01:29:08] I think most of us can agree [01:29:09] that those are not the kind of properties [01:29:11] that we think of that we want to have [01:29:13] representing the hotel industry. [01:29:15] But I think that's a far cry [01:29:17] from what the language in the ordinance actually shows. [01:29:20] I know we talked about people [01:29:22] who come to town for a new job. [01:29:25] You said if they have a permanent place [01:29:29] of residence elsewhere, [01:29:31] they may very well have gotten rid of their last place [01:29:35] so they could take a job in a new city. [01:29:37] We have people who are relocating who come here, [01:29:42] and there's a great deal of tax base that comes with that [01:29:45] from the hotel tax that's levied. [01:29:48] People who are relocating here, [01:29:50] there's property taxes and income tax that come with that [01:29:53] that I think are being lost in some of that. [01:30:00] One part that I'm not sure is being talked about enough, [01:30:03] but the natural disaster clause that talks about [01:30:06] if more than 51% is damaged, [01:30:08] that most businesses may very well choose [01:30:13] just to rebuild or to rebuild something new, I get that. [01:30:17] But I don't think that the language should stipulate [01:30:20] that that's their only option. [01:30:22] Our company was built on a hotel in Ocala, [01:30:27] in Ocala, exterior corridor, [01:30:30] ravaged by a storm in 1993, rebuilt. [01:30:33] We're now 16 hotels strong. [01:30:35] It was built on that. [01:30:36] It's a Howard Johnson's, [01:30:38] remains one of the top five Howard Johnson's in the country. [01:30:41] It's an important part for us. [01:30:43] There was a part about the proximity of the parking. [01:30:47] I'll tell you, this is the first time [01:30:48] I've been involved in exterior corridor property. [01:30:50] I've always dealt with interior corridor. [01:30:52] And I thought, well, everyone's gonna wanna stay inside, [01:30:54] but we have a beautiful pool area. [01:30:56] That's not the case. [01:30:58] We have workers who have tens of thousands of dollars [01:31:00] of equipment in their trucks who absolutely feel better [01:31:03] being able to see that truck right outside. [01:31:05] They want to see it. [01:31:07] There are a number of elderly who travel to this area [01:31:09] because of the weather, [01:31:10] and maybe it just harkens back to yesterday or yesteryear, [01:31:14] but they want to see that car. [01:31:16] They feel better knowing that the car is outside the window. [01:31:19] And to somehow make it seem like that's a bad thing, [01:31:23] I think is wrong. [01:31:25] Overall, I think we support the intended purpose. [01:31:28] I get that. [01:31:29] But I don't think that the language is correct in there. [01:31:34] We've been told that it's not intended for us, [01:31:39] but in the language, it is. [01:31:41] For the city attorney, I've listened to him [01:31:43] during this one and during the last one, [01:31:45] saying we probably wouldn't apply that. [01:31:49] I love hearing that we probably wouldn't. [01:31:51] But if we're probably not going to, [01:31:52] then let's not write it in there. [01:31:54] Let's definitely not make it going to happen. [01:31:57] I appreciate the probably, [01:31:58] but if it's probably not going to happen, [01:32:00] let's not do that. [01:32:01] Because as it is, that means it could happen to us. [01:32:05] We would absolutely welcome the opportunity [01:32:08] to host a round table. [01:32:09] I get that there's some questions [01:32:12] that you may not understand about the hotel industry. [01:32:15] We have beautiful hotel space, [01:32:18] and we have beautiful meeting space, restaurant, bar. [01:32:20] We would love to host all the leaders here. [01:32:23] We would bring the hotel leaders together [01:32:25] and introduce you to our industry [01:32:27] and make sure that the intended language [01:32:30] is in the ordinance and not unintended opportunities [01:32:35] that are going to affect businesses [01:32:38] being able to attract workers, which we don't want to do. [01:32:42] We want the businesses in New Port Richey [01:32:44] to be able to attract workers [01:32:45] and be able to thrive economically. [01:32:49] We want our hotels to be able to thrive economically. [01:32:51] We want our employees to be able to have work to do. [01:32:54] If we take 20%, if we take a percentage out, [01:32:58] that's going to put a lot of hotel owners out [01:33:02] and put a lot of people unemployed. [01:33:04] I don't think that's the intention of this ordinance, [01:33:06] so let's make those corrections if we could. [01:33:08] That's what I would ask. [01:33:09] Thank you. [01:33:10] Thank you. [01:33:11] Go ahead, Dr. McGregor. [01:33:12] Yeah, I think at this point, [01:33:15] I think at this point the hotel industry [01:33:18] and our attorney need to spend some time [01:33:20] working on this ordinance. [01:33:23] Surely, I mean, we'd love to come [01:33:25] and have a couple cocktails and eat lunch, [01:33:27] but I don't think- [01:33:28] You're welcome. [01:33:28] But I don't think you have the brains here [01:33:30] that knows the hotel industry [01:33:32] or the brains that here that would be the law. [01:33:33] Then let's put it together. [01:33:34] We have the resources to make it happen. [01:33:35] So that's what I'd like to go ahead and table this [01:33:38] and put the attorney and the hotel industry together. [01:33:41] I'm not sure I'm ready to just table this yet. [01:33:44] I understand your concerns. [01:33:45] Sure. [01:33:46] This is first reading. [01:33:47] We can amend this between first and second reading. [01:33:49] Any ordinance we pass, we're going to have pros and cons. [01:33:52] You understand the purpose of this ordinance. [01:33:53] You understand the positive, in my opinion, [01:33:56] it's going to have a very positive impact [01:33:58] on our economy here in Newport, Richard. [01:34:01] If written correctly, absolutely. [01:34:02] The small things, these are small things, in my opinion. [01:34:05] They can be, I'm just saying- [01:34:06] It would put us out of business. [01:34:08] It's not a small thing. [01:34:08] Okay, no, I'm saying they're fixable [01:34:10] between first and second reading. [01:34:11] I'm not saying, I'm just not convinced right now [01:34:14] we need to table this for two weeks a month, [01:34:17] bring it back for first reading. [01:34:18] We can still listen to open discussion, [01:34:20] maybe decide after the discussion, [01:34:22] other people want to have input here as well, [01:34:25] which I understand. [01:34:27] I have my wedding reception at your hotel, [01:34:28] nothing against your hotel personally, [01:34:30] but in my opinion, the purpose of this ordinance [01:34:33] is to make hotels and motels, once again, [01:34:36] act like hotels and motels in our city, not apartments. [01:34:40] Right? [01:34:41] Yeah. [01:34:42] Okay, so that's the purpose. [01:34:43] To me, the pros outweigh the cons, [01:34:46] just more than I can even describe in just being up here, [01:34:49] but I'd like to hear more input from the public. [01:34:52] There's a lot of people here who want to speak [01:34:54] before we just table the motion. [01:34:55] I'm not saying I'm going to be opposed [01:34:56] to tabling the motion, [01:34:57] but I don't want to just stop discussion right now. [01:34:59] I certainly appreciate that, [01:35:01] and I'll offer still stands to come and sit down, [01:35:05] because we're still not going to get enough [01:35:06] back and forth dialogue this evening, [01:35:09] but let's do that and get the correct meaning [01:35:12] of the ordinance put together. [01:35:13] Perfect. [01:35:14] Thanks, guys. [01:35:15] Yes, sir. [01:35:16] Good evening, my name is Amish Patel. [01:35:21] I live in Odessa, Florida. [01:35:22] Before my time starts, [01:35:23] I just have one clarification point I need done. [01:35:25] In your proposal, you're saying that [01:35:27] the land usage will change, [01:35:28] that motels will no longer be allowed. [01:35:31] Is that, should something be happening, [01:35:34] or are you not allowing new motels to be built, [01:35:36] or the existing hotels, will they be grandfathered in [01:35:39] to continue running and operating as they are, [01:35:42] or do you want them to be shut down, [01:35:43] completely taken away? [01:35:44] In response to the question, Mr. Mayor, [01:35:48] the ordinance would make the existing motels [01:35:55] in the city a non-conforming zoning use. [01:36:00] No new motels could be constructed. [01:36:05] Okay. [01:36:06] Existing motels could go on indefinitely? [01:36:09] Right. [01:36:10] They could operate as hotels and motels, correct? [01:36:12] Correct. [01:36:13] Okay, and if a new motel or a hotel, [01:36:16] you're wanting to come into the city [01:36:18] and purchase a piece of property, [01:36:19] maybe raise an old building, [01:36:20] and build a chain hotel or a new hotel [01:36:23] that operates as a motel or a hotel, [01:36:26] not an apartment, [01:36:27] not an extended state facility for families, right, [01:36:30] then they could come before council, [01:36:32] as Ordinance Read, unless I'm not mistaken. [01:36:35] Hotels only, not motels. [01:36:37] Excuse me, hotels. [01:36:38] Yes. [01:36:39] Hotels. [01:36:39] So they could come before council, [01:36:40] kind of basically propose their plan, [01:36:42] and then let us decide. [01:36:43] So it's basically, as you come, [01:36:45] we can approve it or not approve it. [01:36:47] Correct. [01:36:48] It's not a chain use. [01:36:49] No matter why you can't build a hotel [01:36:50] in the city of New Port Richey. [01:36:51] Right. [01:36:52] So with that being said, a couple points. [01:36:54] There are seven motels that are being affected. [01:36:57] All seven are immigrant families. [01:36:59] Out of six of them were of Indian descent. [01:37:01] We've all put hundreds of thousands [01:37:03] of millions of dollars into this city. [01:37:05] They want to put their roots here. [01:37:07] They want to grow their business here. [01:37:08] So what you're proposing, hypothetically, is great, [01:37:11] but we welcome you to come sit down with us [01:37:13] and revisit the language. [01:37:14] It needs to be worked out. [01:37:15] The way it's written right now, [01:37:17] we need to find a middle ground to come together. [01:37:20] In the case of a natural disaster, [01:37:21] as you guys mentioned, if 51% or more is ruined, [01:37:24] we can't rebuild. [01:37:25] Well, what are we going to do with our mortgages? [01:37:27] We have mortgages. [01:37:28] We have franchise agreements. [01:37:29] If we decide, if you guys say, well, you can't rebuild, [01:37:32] we're in breach of contract. [01:37:33] Who's going to pay for that? [01:37:34] Will the city pay for it? [01:37:35] I don't think so. [01:37:36] That means we're going to be in default, [01:37:39] and that will cause us to lose our homes, our livelihood, [01:37:41] all the millions of dollars we put into your city. [01:37:43] Now, back to the main issue about the lodging, [01:37:47] people staying long-term. [01:37:48] Has the city done anything to help take these people [01:37:51] out of the hotels and put them into long-term [01:37:54] or transitional facilities? [01:37:56] Has the city come to the hotels [01:37:58] and knocked on individual doors? [01:37:59] You have? [01:38:00] I don't know. [01:38:01] If you have, great. [01:38:02] If you haven't, let's start a program. [01:38:04] We need to work together to find a transition [01:38:06] where we can take who's in the hotels right now [01:38:09] and move them out of the hotels. [01:38:10] We understand it's a bad eyesore for the city [01:38:13] when people have bikes outside the room [01:38:14] or strollers or toys. [01:38:16] I wouldn't want that on my property. [01:38:18] I know you guys don't want that in your city, [01:38:19] but let's work together. [01:38:20] So before the second reading is done, [01:38:22] please come sit down with us. [01:38:24] Let's have an open discussion. [01:38:25] Let's work together, make the city, [01:38:28] for the lack of better words, great again, [01:38:29] what it used to be. [01:38:31] And I think if we do that, we can work together [01:38:33] and come to a conclusion that'll make everyone [01:38:36] on the board happy, and myself, [01:38:38] and all the owners that sit behind me. [01:38:40] And aside from that, I mean, [01:38:42] it's our job to make the city look good. [01:38:44] When tourists come to visit, where are they gonna stay? [01:38:47] They're gonna stay at our properties, right? [01:38:49] And they're gonna be, we're the first point of focus [01:38:51] when they come in. [01:38:52] We welcome them. [01:38:53] Then we say, hey, where do we go eat? [01:38:54] Go to Jim's restaurant. [01:38:55] Go to this restaurant, you know? [01:38:57] Go to downtown, they got a great park for kids. [01:38:59] They're gonna install new swings for toddlers [01:39:01] with a great cushion on the floor. [01:39:03] You know, those are the things we wanna advertise [01:39:05] to the people visiting the city in our area. [01:39:07] But we need to work together [01:39:08] in order for us all to do that together. [01:39:10] So I welcome you guys. [01:39:11] Please call us, come visit us. [01:39:13] Spend one day with us. [01:39:14] Everyone of you, spend one day at the hotel. [01:39:17] See what we go through. [01:39:18] Talk to the residents. [01:39:19] Why are you living at a hotel? [01:39:20] Why aren't you at an apartment? [01:39:22] Back to the bathhouse issue. [01:39:24] If somebody gets arrested, [01:39:25] they might be able to get an apartment. [01:39:27] They're evicted. [01:39:28] They can't get an apartment. [01:39:29] They don't have first, second, last month's rent security. [01:39:32] Well, where are they gonna stay? [01:39:33] Homeless? [01:39:34] Well, sorry to call you out, [01:39:35] but you called our pricing predatory. [01:39:37] We call it effective [01:39:38] because we're offering them a great rate [01:39:40] to put a roof over their head [01:39:41] so the kids are not homeless on the street. [01:39:43] So I disagree with what you say, but I understand it. [01:39:46] But the city needs to do something and work with us [01:39:49] and we'll come to a great conclusion working together. [01:39:51] Thank you for your time. [01:39:52] Thank you. [01:39:53] Well, the next person is coming up. [01:39:55] George. [01:39:56] I just wanna say that we have, [01:39:57] I just have one thing to say about helping. [01:40:00] Metropolitan Ministries does a fine job [01:40:02] and they're just a few blocks outside the city to the south. [01:40:06] And real quick, this ordinance, the way it reads currently, [01:40:09] not even to the point [01:40:10] whether or not we're gonna vote on it tonight. [01:40:12] However, it gives three years, right, [01:40:14] to conform and become a hotel again. [01:40:17] Ms. Mance has been to some of the motels [01:40:19] for property owners that are here right now. [01:40:21] Some of the conditions that she portrayed back to me [01:40:24] were absolutely appalling [01:40:26] to have families living in those conditions. [01:40:28] Absolutely appalling. [01:40:29] And you're absolutely right. [01:40:30] She asked some of the families, why are you here? [01:40:32] Why are you paying such a large amount per month [01:40:34] to live here? [01:40:35] And what you just brought up was absolutely correct. [01:40:37] They, felony record, first, second, [01:40:40] can't come up with first, second, [01:40:41] security deposit for an apartment. [01:40:43] Because they can afford a nice apartment, [01:40:45] a decent single family dwelling [01:40:46] for what they're paying to stay there. [01:40:48] However, that's a bigger problem as us, in my opinion, [01:40:50] as a community, we need to address. [01:40:52] Not just the city of New Portage, but community. [01:40:55] And, correct me if I'm wrong, [01:40:57] you were, there is a plan, [01:40:58] or we're going to put a plan in place [01:41:00] to start a relationship with these families living there, [01:41:03] let them know what their alternatives are, [01:41:05] and help them, correct? [01:41:06] Yes, that's correct, Mr. Deputy Mayor. [01:41:08] So to me, it's simple. [01:41:09] Start acting like a hotel again, and you're good. [01:41:12] You have nothing to worry about. [01:41:14] Work with us to help these families [01:41:15] get proper housing for themselves in a positive fashion. [01:41:19] Clean up your facilities, clean up your areas. [01:41:22] We'll be good. [01:41:23] That's all we're asking here. [01:41:25] Question for Mr. Romanoli. [01:41:28] Of the, he indicated seven hotels, [01:41:32] how many of those are in a coastal high hazard flood area? [01:41:35] I believe they all are. [01:41:37] Which means that in the event [01:41:39] that they're more than 51% destroyed, [01:41:42] they're going to have to be rebuilt from scratch? [01:41:45] Well, yes, they'll have to be built to the current code [01:41:48] and above the flood elevation in any event. [01:41:52] So I think that answers the question [01:41:54] the folks from Quality Inn had. [01:41:55] If you get more than 51%, [01:41:57] you're going to wind up raising it [01:41:59] and then raising the base elevation. [01:42:04] That's FEMA, that's not us. [01:42:07] So, okay, thank you. [01:42:10] Anyone else? [01:42:11] Mr. Mayor, just to point out, [01:42:13] County Human Services has about a quarter million dollars [01:42:16] to help people first and last that can be moved out. [01:42:19] And the county, which is, for lack of a better term, [01:42:23] our Affordable Housing Department [01:42:25] has lost $40 million through ship cuts [01:42:28] in the last 10 years. [01:42:29] So there's a lot of money that could have come to the county [01:42:31] to help with affordable housing, [01:42:33] help people that are living at these hotels right now. [01:42:36] I just want to make it clear, [01:42:37] we as a city are not looking just to throw out [01:42:39] low-income families on the street next week. [01:42:42] That's not the purpose of this ordinance. [01:42:44] There's plenty of time to conform. [01:42:45] There's a lot of discussions we can have, [01:42:47] but there's a lot that needs to be done. [01:42:52] I've never done this before. [01:42:54] Yeah, we're relaxed up here. [01:42:56] Go ahead, relax down there. [01:42:57] I've been in the state now for three years. [01:42:59] When I came here, I had a home. [01:43:02] And when the hurricane came, it destroyed my home. [01:43:06] I have no family here in the state, [01:43:08] so right now I am a resident in a motel. [01:43:11] But I am also a nursing student. [01:43:13] I also have a husband that does work. [01:43:15] We do not have a security deposit put down. [01:43:17] So places like this, and I'm seeing families [01:43:20] that have been there for long-term, [01:43:22] they don't have a two-family home like we do. [01:43:26] It's hard for them to come up [01:43:27] with a security deposit to move. [01:43:29] It's hard for me right now to come up [01:43:31] with a security deposit to move. [01:43:34] Although I'm not there for long, [01:43:36] I do know people who are unfortunately [01:43:38] going to be there for long. [01:43:40] I can't help everybody, I wish I could, [01:43:43] but I still have to see them stay when I leave. [01:43:46] And there's not a lot of programs that help. [01:43:50] So places like that really do help, they really do. [01:43:54] George, can you help get your information out [01:43:58] that you just mentioned about the county help? [01:44:02] All right, so the County Human Services Department, [01:44:04] which is social services, has a quarter million dollars [01:44:07] to help families with first and last to get them into housing [01:44:12] as other agencies such as Metropolitan Ministries [01:44:15] and the United Way. [01:44:17] So there are agencies out there. [01:44:17] I have tried, unfortunately, [01:44:19] they're saying that my husband makes too much. [01:44:21] I do not get medical insurance in the state. [01:44:23] I don't get food stamps, I don't get any of that. [01:44:26] So I mean, I am trying everything as a parent [01:44:29] to do what I can do without trying to revert [01:44:31] to doing something that I shouldn't do. [01:44:34] But like I said, unfortunately, [01:44:36] there are people that need help. [01:44:37] Falling in the gap. [01:44:39] If you could sign in for us, I would appreciate it. [01:44:41] And thank you for what you are doing. [01:44:43] Thank you for having me. [01:44:44] Thank you. [01:44:45] Thank you. [01:44:54] Hello respected officers and judge and everybody. [01:45:00] My name is Dinesh Patel, and my thing is here, that's okay. You are making the rules so that you cannot keep the people more than 28 days. [01:45:11] What do we do when we got the client who somebody else pay, like adoption agency? [01:45:19] The girl is pregnant, she does not have any knowledge about what mom or dad or whatever, and the adoption agency is paying. [01:45:28] So what do we do on that? Second thing, we got lots of prengents people come. Until they don't get a job, they stay, they pay week by week. [01:45:36] Can we allow them to stay more than four weeks? We do not rent any rooms more than a week at a time. [01:45:44] I do not give any discount, I don't rent more than a week. What do we do? [01:45:51] And what do we do with that adoption agency, because they stay almost nine months, but they pay week by week. [01:45:58] They don't pay nine months together. How do we handle this? [01:46:07] I know you're asking a question, generally we're here to listen to what you have to say. I know we interact sometimes, but... [01:46:13] I think it's not in the audience, so I'd like to clarify that, that what do we do in this situation, [01:46:21] because if I rent it through adoption agency, I'm violating the law. [01:46:27] Or if the prengents people come, and they don't find a job, or they don't find a house or apartment, what do we do? [01:46:36] These are the questions I have. Second thing, I'm sure lots of people know me very well now, [01:46:43] because I got two motels in New Port Richey, and I spent lots of money to renovate those motels, [01:46:49] because we got the code violations, and we correct it, but I spent lots of money to do that. [01:46:55] Now, in a couple years, you are trying to close me down. [01:46:59] Now, I was just, I heard it, that it is only for the motel and not for the hotel. That is discrimination. [01:47:06] In this letter, they say hotel and motel both. Why are you changing the wording? [01:47:12] Because I got both motels with 18 rooms. I don't have a big, huge motel, or hotel. [01:47:19] So if it is, that is the case, it's discrimination. That's the way I feel. [01:47:25] Everybody should be treated the same. If you have any problems, please come and look at my rooms. [01:47:30] Look at my list. I have no problem. Two motels I'm leasing, so I have no control, [01:47:35] but I can enforce them to make the right, you know, like information, their credit card, their ID, everything. [01:47:43] I told them, but I would make sure they do that. [01:47:49] Thank you. [01:47:50] Thank you, sir. [01:47:59] Evening, everyone. Thanks for giving everyone the opportunity to speak on this issue. [01:48:05] I just want to cover a couple of points I think that have been made by others, [01:48:08] but I think the main thing is there needs to be a more robust dialogue. [01:48:14] And maybe there have been attempts made on behalf of maybe the city manager [01:48:17] or maybe other people employed by the city to speak with some of the hotel owners, [01:48:23] but it doesn't hurt to try again. [01:48:25] And I think a lot of them have woken up to what is happening in the city, [01:48:29] and not everyone is happy with the way things are. [01:48:33] So I wanted to relay that to all of you. [01:48:35] I also wanted to say that, you know, tourism is, you know, a primary driver of our economy in Florida. [01:48:41] It's number one. [01:48:42] It's outbeat agriculture, outbeat redevelopment. [01:48:46] I think it's 85 visitors creates one job. [01:48:50] A lot of the people in this room have created lots of jobs, multiple jobs, payroll, property taxes. [01:48:54] There's a lot of things that will be impacted in this community if the audience stands as is. [01:49:00] I'm sorry, not the audience, the ordinance stands as it is. [01:49:04] So I think one of the ideas, you know, whether it's to table or to delay, you know, maybe it's a charrette, [01:49:09] maybe it's a dialogue one-on-one. [01:49:12] The good news is there's seven hotel owners, right? [01:49:15] So you can get seven entities together, either individually or in a room. [01:49:20] You know, there may be some situations where you need to speak with them individually. [01:49:23] But the good news is it's very manageable, and it can be done in a shorter time frame. [01:49:28] I don't know if it can be done by, you know, the February deadline. [01:49:31] But the other part about it is the interpretation of the ordinance. [01:49:34] I think there's a big concern. [01:49:36] Does it wipe out my current investment, right? [01:49:38] Because people in this room do have hotels that are, you know, they're loans outstanding. [01:49:43] They might be associated with a brand. [01:49:46] I think three or four of them are affiliated with a brand. [01:49:48] And so there are different things that they have to do. [01:49:51] I do want to say this. [01:49:52] I think there's a, you know, it's not always the law itself. [01:49:57] It's the application of the law sometimes. [01:49:59] And the other part I wanted to bring up is when it comes to transient rental stays, you know, [01:50:04] there are hotels that are built for one purpose, extended stay. [01:50:08] And there are some that become extended stay. [01:50:11] And so I think there's a fine line that we need to address in this. [01:50:17] I do appreciate the efforts that have been made on behalf of the city staff and all of you listening to us. [01:50:23] I just hope that there's a, you know, like a 2.0 where we can now go forward, maybe table this, [01:50:30] and have the opportunity to speak either one-on-one, have a shred or workshop, you know, [01:50:35] and hopefully over lunch and some cocktails this can be resolved. [01:50:38] Sir, could you identify yourself for the record? [01:50:40] Sure. [01:50:41] Barrick Patel. [01:50:42] I did fill out the form also. [01:50:44] Thank you. [01:50:59] Good evening. [01:51:00] My name is Sean Patel. [01:51:01] I'm the owner of the Riverside Inn in New Port Richey. [01:51:03] I've been here for 23 years or so. [01:51:06] I've been in the hotel business for about 40 years. [01:51:08] So I'm not a new kid on the block. [01:51:10] I've seen what's happening in New Port Richey. [01:51:12] It doesn't look great. [01:51:15] I do agree we do need to make some changes. [01:51:18] We do also need to try and figure out what to do with these people, with these clients who walk in. [01:51:25] They've got to figure out how they're going to put shelter over their heads for their kids or whatever. [01:51:31] They go to schools. [01:51:34] It's important that it puts back into the community in its own way. [01:51:38] We keep people employed, but we don't need to attract that type of clientele. [01:51:42] We'd love to have New Port Richey be the star flagship of like an Orlando on this coast. [01:51:48] But it is what it is. [01:51:51] If we don't, or if the city enforces these types of rules, what will we do with our properties? [01:51:58] What will the valuation be? [01:52:00] Will you guys be able to ever attract someone to spend $10 million, [01:52:04] because that's what it costs to build a new property nowadays, to invest $10 million in the city? [01:52:09] I can tell you what. [01:52:11] I wouldn't. [01:52:12] I'd go elsewhere. [01:52:15] If these types of rules are enforced, such as earlier this summer and last summer, [01:52:20] where there was a stacking of four different agencies, code enforcement, building, fire, [01:52:26] and law enforcement there on all the properties. [01:52:30] Basically, going and doing a property inspection, which is fine, but the respect of calling the owners. [01:52:37] You're not going to be able to flip it upside down overnight in 10 minutes. [01:52:41] It's a courtesy of calling us property owners. [01:52:43] We're taxpayers at the end of the day. [01:52:46] Just have that open conversation. [01:52:49] Blindsiding us with these types of things, it doesn't help. [01:52:53] It discourages us from reinvesting in our properties. [01:52:58] I have been reinvesting. [01:53:00] I haven't stopped. [01:53:01] I can show you the clock. [01:53:02] It's in the millions after 20 plus years. [01:53:05] We're doing what we have to do, but at the end of the day, [01:53:09] the tourist taxes. [01:53:11] If this was not an important issue, why did Pasco County raise the tourist tax? [01:53:16] You guys, they're all making money off of it on the back end. [01:53:19] You think it's just us hotel owners, but the city is there. [01:53:22] The money has trickled down at the end of the day. [01:53:26] I'd like to see this 20% rule change like an event of a natural disaster. [01:53:31] FEMA threw how many families at the hotels? [01:53:37] I think it was 30, 40, 50 rooms, 60 rooms, which is more than the 20% rule. [01:53:43] It wasn't for 28 days. [01:53:45] It was for 90 to 100 plus days. [01:53:49] Easy. [01:53:51] What do you do with that equation? [01:53:53] Those things need to be clarified in writing so we don't get backhanded [01:53:56] trying to help people out. [01:54:00] If you think it's just about us, it's not. [01:54:04] Thank you for your time. [01:54:05] Thank you. [01:54:10] Anyone else? [01:54:15] My name is Justin Rosetti. [01:54:19] If it wasn't for a motel letting me and my newborn baby and my 3-year-old son [01:54:23] and my wife stay there for an extended stay, we'd be out on the streets. [01:54:26] And if I was out on the streets, my kids would get taken away from me. [01:54:30] I work 60 hours a week out in Brooksville at Flagstone Pavers. [01:54:33] I make really good money. [01:54:34] I just can't get ahead. [01:54:35] I can't get on top of getting an apartment. [01:54:37] And like I said, if it wasn't for the people in the motels doing the extended stays, [01:54:40] me and my family would be homeless. [01:54:42] And like I said, DCF would come and take my kids away. [01:54:45] You know, a lot of us are good people. [01:54:47] We're just in hard times right now with nowhere to go, can't get on top with the money and stuff. [01:54:52] And with you guys wanting to take away the extended stays, what's that do for me and my family, [01:54:57] me and my kids, all these good people? [01:54:59] What does that do for them and their family, them and their kids? [01:55:01] You know, by you guys trying to do this, you're putting us out on the streets with nowhere to go. [01:55:07] So I'm just trying to figure out if you guys do end up passing it or whatever, [01:55:10] what are you going to do for the people that are already staying there, the people with families that feel safe there? [01:55:15] Like, yeah, it's a motel. [01:55:16] I understand that. [01:55:17] But if it wasn't for them, so many families would be homeless right now. [01:55:22] So I'm just trying to figure out what are you guys going to do for us families that are living there right now [01:55:27] if you guys put this 28-day thing into effect? [01:55:30] Thank you. [01:55:31] Thank you. [01:55:32] Thank you. [01:55:41] Seeing no one else come forward, I'm going to bring it back to council. [01:55:47] I still would like to have this tabled and have a meeting of the hotel owners and our attorney get together. [01:55:55] There's a couple of things that I would like to be addressed, or actually three of them. [01:56:00] One is a disaster, and the disaster might be a hurricane, [01:56:05] but it also might be an apartment fire that would clear out a 20 or 30 apartment complex with 20 or 30 people. [01:56:14] I don't know if that could fill up, even with the quality and go over the 20 percent rule. [01:56:20] So I'd like that to be addressed. [01:56:22] Also, the 28 days, I'm kind of having trouble with that because if I go to work [01:56:27] and I don't get my first paycheck for two weeks or maybe even three weeks if they pay every two weeks, [01:56:35] I might not have some money in 28 days to be able to move. [01:56:38] It might take me six weeks. [01:56:40] So I'd like to discuss that a little bit, the 28 days, not even a month. [01:56:45] If you go to work and you don't get paid for a month, you might get that check for five weeks, [01:56:51] the first check for five weeks. [01:56:52] So I'd like that addressed a little bit. [01:56:55] And the 20 percent rule, I'm not sure where that fits. [01:56:59] I'm not sure that that's the magic number. [01:57:01] So those three things I'd like to take a look at during this hiatus, if I would say. [01:57:08] Deputy Mayor? [01:57:10] I have so much to say. [01:57:11] It's been a long night. [01:57:12] Ms. Manns, what are the preliminary steps we're taking right now to help families like that hardworking gentleman [01:57:18] who works his tail off in Brooksville and has kids he's trying to support, to help them get back on their feet? [01:57:23] Who are we going to work with? [01:57:24] You know, you've told me that we are going to do this. [01:57:27] What are the preliminary plans right now as far as how we're going to engage these families and help them? [01:57:33] I'd suggest that this evening that that family gets George Romanoli's phone number [01:57:37] because he is networked with a good number of social agencies that can provide the type of assistance that they need. [01:57:47] Listen, I'm a business owner like you all are. [01:57:49] I'm not trying to take anything away from you. [01:57:51] However, extended stay motels and hotels along the U.S. 19 corridor currently define us as a city. [01:57:58] They do. [01:58:00] You talk about tourism. [01:58:01] What tourists would want to stay in some of the motels that we see along the U.S. 19 corridor? [01:58:05] They are in very, very poor shape. [01:58:07] You know they are. [01:58:08] I know some of you put more money and take more pride in your business and your property than others. [01:58:14] However, I don't think you're trying to attract tourism as your primary occupancy in your hotel right now. [01:58:23] And I agree with you. [01:58:25] There are families out there like the gentleman that spoke that do need help, and I hope George can help them. [01:58:30] The purpose here is not to just throw low-income families out on the street and get their kids taken away from them. [01:58:35] That is the last thing I want. [01:58:37] However, I want better for them. [01:58:39] I want families like yourself that are working 60 hours a week, making good money, [01:58:43] but just can't come up with first, second, and security deposit to get on their feet, [01:58:47] or may have made a mistake and committed a crime five, ten years ago, then had kids, [01:58:52] and kind of rediscover what life's about. [01:58:54] You know, you shouldn't be condemned from getting your own apartment or your own rental home for the rest of your life. [01:58:58] That's not how it should be. [01:59:00] However, some of these extended stay motels in our area are very run down. [01:59:06] They're not taken care of. [01:59:09] The one gentleman said, why didn't you call us when you were coming out with code violation and fire? [01:59:14] Why would we do that? [01:59:15] So you can do a quick fix. [01:59:17] Why wasn't all those things that were addressed already addressed prior to us coming out? [01:59:21] You know, I'm not opposed to a business owner trying to make a dollar by any means. [01:59:25] However, you know what's right, you know what's wrong. [01:59:28] If you decide to get on board and start running your hotel or motel as a hotel and a motel again, [01:59:34] you're going to be in compliance. [01:59:36] It's three years. [01:59:37] We're not telling anyone you have to shut down in 30 days or anything nearly that drastic. [01:59:41] But to me, this is a very, very easy ordinance for myself to pass. [01:59:46] I've spoken with the police department. [01:59:48] I've done ride-alongs. [01:59:49] I see what's out there. [01:59:50] I see what happens that's not broadcast in the news, that's not posted all over in photos. [01:59:55] I see what happens. [01:59:56] I have a very good relationship with our police department. [01:59:58] And I know what goes on. [01:59:59] I know what's going on. [02:00:00] So, not trying to tell you how to live your life, run your business, but take pride in [02:00:04] your ownership, start running your hotels or motels as such again, and you're going [02:00:10] to be absolutely fine. [02:00:11] We're not trying to put anyone out of business just to be mean. [02:00:13] That's not the purpose of this. [02:00:15] It's a purpose that is to improve the quality of life in the city of New Port Richey and [02:00:19] our economy. [02:00:20] Now, I'm okay tabling it because some of you gentlemen have very good concerns. [02:00:25] You had some very good points and concerns as well. [02:00:27] I think there's some things we need to address. [02:00:29] I think it's a good idea for the property owners to meet with Ms. Mance, maybe all together [02:00:34] or separately. [02:00:35] I'm 100% okay with that. [02:00:37] This is a big deal. [02:00:38] We're changing the way you operate your business. [02:00:40] I get that. [02:00:41] So, I don't think we need to rush into it and vote tonight and try to get it on the [02:00:44] agenda for two weeks from now and have a second reading. [02:00:47] However, it's something that needs to be addressed, and as long as I'm up here, it will be addressed. [02:00:51] Mr. Murphy. [02:00:52] I mean, I realize what we're trying to do here, and I agree with what we're trying to [02:00:57] do here. [02:00:58] I'm fine with tabling or even passing the first reading, but with the stipulation that [02:01:04] we do sit down with everyone involved and talk about it and make sure that we're not [02:01:09] hurting the people that are doing what they're supposed to do. [02:01:15] I think that's something we've got to look at, but I'm perfectly fine with sitting down, [02:01:21] meeting with everyone to discuss it before we move on. [02:01:24] Mr. Altman. [02:01:26] Yes, I think there's a separation of duties up here where we're sitting. [02:01:31] The city attorney and the city manager manage the city. [02:01:36] He's fine, he's fine, he's fine, he's fine. [02:01:43] The city manager is in charge of managing all the departments to do the work of the [02:01:49] city that's on the books now. [02:01:51] The city council is responsible for that ordinance. [02:01:53] That's why this is in front of us to discuss. [02:01:56] To that extent, I personally would like to see the offer accepted and all of the owners [02:02:02] to be invited, because you've invited them to your spot, to have us have a dialogue. [02:02:09] Now, we would have to publicly notice that we're having that dialogue. [02:02:13] It would have to be within the sunshine, and the press would have to be invited. [02:02:17] All of us wouldn't have to attend, but any one, two, or three of us could. [02:02:22] I believe when it comes to these issues that it's important. [02:02:27] The tourism tax you mentioned, back in the 1990s into the early 2000s, the 34652 and [02:02:35] 34653 zip codes represented over 35% of the tourist tax collected in this county. [02:02:44] This side of the county that needs this so badly, that needs these improvements so badly, [02:02:49] has gotten zip, nothing of the tourism dollars which are going to other parts of the county. [02:02:57] To me, you all could be a great support for us as we work on whether it's our bike trails [02:03:03] or whatever tourism, eco-tourism, whatever things could help to replace and provide you [02:03:08] with new residents in your facilities. [02:03:12] I heard an offer to work together, and I don't see how as elected officials we can pass this [02:03:19] off to anybody else. [02:03:20] We should be at a meeting if we'd like to, and I would love to see that happen. [02:03:27] I think we can hear what they have to say, and I think we can make those modifications [02:03:32] that we have to make. [02:03:34] The real thing that I mentioned before was that transient folks were folks who didn't [02:03:40] have a kitchen somewhere else. [02:03:42] To give somebody a room for 90 days or 100 days in a hotel room with a child with a sink [02:03:51] and a toilet is not the standard of living that we would like to present for those people. [02:03:59] To have someone who can afford with a big company or good spending dollars to go to [02:04:07] the restaurant every night to live in a normal fashion, what we're seeing, and I would agree [02:04:14] with Councilman Starkey, having pull-up, drive-up to our highway housing, which frankly, fortunately, [02:04:27] has become a haven for folks who are unable to make that change, and as much as we had [02:04:32] a good example of someone working 60 hours a week, I can attest to the fact that I know [02:04:39] personally that there are folks that are living in those hotels who are addicted to OxyContin, [02:04:46] who are out on our streets doing prostitution in order to do it, while we're talking about [02:04:51] table baths. [02:04:53] We've got people that are absolutely the ones that aren't doing it by choice, they're doing [02:04:59] it by addiction. [02:05:00] And to me, the addiction and the lack of employment in West Pasco and the lack of attention [02:05:05] to our economy is something we need all the help from all members of the business community on. [02:05:10] So if there's a willingness on their part to change their ways, then I think we should [02:05:14] talk to them and try to get some buy-in and see if we can't figure out a way to make everybody's [02:05:20] facilities more attractive with your money and our help. [02:05:25] I have no problem with a three-year roll-in. [02:05:33] The individuals, property owners out there, I think have plenty of time with three years [02:05:40] to get their business model changed around. [02:05:45] I do have some concerns, specifically contract workers, construction workers coming in, itinerant [02:05:54] city managers, natural disasters, I think, and maybe we need to be encouraging real extended [02:06:10] stay providers to take a look at the area. [02:06:17] And I've been to some of these hotels, they are in no way, shape, or form appropriate [02:06:22] for extended stays. [02:06:25] That being said, I have no problem to tabling this long enough to get everybody together [02:06:31] and chat about it. [02:06:34] I do know that Quality Inn in particular has definitely put a lot of money into it and [02:06:43] the fact that they've hidden a DC fast charger behind their building tells me they're not [02:06:47] necessarily looking for transients. [02:06:50] They're looking for people with money to pay that are traveling. [02:06:56] Thank you for your investment, honestly. [02:06:58] I've seen it visually. [02:07:01] I'm okay tabling, but I don't want to kick this can down the road. [02:07:04] I've been up here complaining about this for almost six years. [02:07:07] April will be six years I've been addressing this. [02:07:10] We finally come up with a solution six years later and now we're talking about let's table, [02:07:14] you know. [02:07:15] We've had six years. [02:07:16] The city has been in contact with these hotel owners. [02:07:20] Is that not true? [02:07:21] It is accurate. [02:07:22] Okay. [02:07:23] So I'm okay tabling. [02:07:24] If you want to have a nice meeting and a lunch in, I'm not going to be drinking at lunch, [02:07:26] but I'll come, eat a sandwich, listen to what you all have to say. [02:07:29] I'm fine with that, but my point being I don't want to kick the can too far down the road. [02:07:33] I want to get this addressed. [02:07:34] Move the table to the second meeting in February. [02:07:37] Before you do that, can I just suggest that if you're going to have a meeting with the

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13. 11.a

    Creation of and Appointment to Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Citizen's Advisory Task Force (CATF)

    tabled

    Council discussed tabling a prior item (related to hotels/hoteliers ordinance) to schedule a workshop, ideally the second meeting in February, to allow all hotel owners to attend. The motion to table was seconded and passed by voice vote. The CDBG Citizen's Advisory Task Force item itself was only introduced at the very end of the transcript.

    • motion:Motion to table the hotel-related ordinance item and schedule a workshop, targeting the second meeting in February. (passed)

    👤Davis👤Driscoll👤Vance#Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Citizen's Advisory Task Force (CATF)#hoteliers ordinance workshop

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    [02:07:41] hoteliers and it's not just going to be attended by the city manager, her staff, and the city [02:07:47] attorney, and you all would like to attend that meeting, then I would just suggest that [02:07:51] you do a workshop and you do it here. [02:07:53] Don't do it at the hotel because it has to be a public meeting. [02:07:56] We have to advertise it. [02:07:57] We have to provide a facility and we have that here. [02:08:00] So if that's the intent, is for you all to meet with the hoteliers, then I would suggest [02:08:05] you do it as a workshop. [02:08:06] Let's do it as a work schedule, a workshop then. [02:08:08] I believe we did have Councilman Davis had offered to table pending. [02:08:13] Yeah. [02:08:14] I got it. [02:08:16] I didn't specify a place. [02:08:19] I'm happy with it here as a work schedule. [02:08:20] He didn't make a motion. [02:08:21] He did. [02:08:22] When? [02:08:23] A long time ago? [02:08:24] A long time ago. [02:08:25] A motion to table doesn't allow any discussion. [02:08:26] It didn't have a second. [02:08:27] Okay. [02:08:28] I'll second his motion. [02:08:29] In that case, all those in favor? [02:08:30] Aye. [02:08:31] Aye. [02:08:32] Aye. [02:08:33] One more comment. [02:08:34] Did we have a date for the tabling or did that include it in the motion? [02:08:39] As soon as possible. [02:08:41] I was saying the second meeting in February. [02:08:44] As early as we can. [02:08:45] I would encourage each property owner to reach out to Ms. Vance. [02:08:48] Let her know. [02:08:49] You can sit down with her. [02:08:50] You can sit down with our attorney, Mr. Driscoll. [02:08:52] Let her know. [02:08:53] Let him know what your concerns are prior to the meeting because these workshops, once [02:08:57] we get going, as we saw with the workshop this evening prior to this one, sometimes [02:09:02] they get going and we run out of time and not everyone gets a point across. [02:09:05] I would encourage you to meet with both of them prior. [02:09:08] Let them know what your concerns are and then bring those concerns when you come and speak [02:09:11] with us. [02:09:13] Also, if you do that, then we'll probably get copies of your concerns so that helps [02:09:17] the conversation move on a little quicker, too, or in the direction you want it to go [02:09:21] to. [02:09:22] Yes. [02:09:23] For the record, let me make sure I understand this table. [02:09:27] It's just a straight table, no date, just table it and then we'll figure out when they [02:09:32] do it. [02:09:33] I think the direction was to try to schedule a workshop for the next meeting. [02:09:36] As soon as possible. [02:09:37] So it would be theoretically before the next meeting is what we would do, correct? [02:09:43] I said the second meeting in February. [02:09:44] It would probably be the second because we already have a workshop on the first one. [02:09:47] We've got all kinds of stuff going on on the first one. [02:09:48] So it's probably the second meeting in February. [02:09:50] May I intervene for one second? [02:09:52] Between the months of November, December, January, a lot of Indian people, they're in [02:09:57] India, celebrating all the holidays and things like that. [02:09:59] We just had our kite festival. [02:10:01] A lot of people won't be back for another two weeks or so. [02:10:04] So there are a couple of owners that are still out of the country. [02:10:06] So if we can contact you in the next couple of days and find out when they're coming back [02:10:10] So you're meeting with all the owners, not like three and four. [02:10:13] We want all the owners to meet with you guys. [02:10:15] So if we can hold off on setting a meeting date for two days, I can let you know or somebody [02:10:19] can let you know within the next 24 to 48 hours. [02:10:22] And then you guys come up with a date and it'll be firm based on your schedule, not [02:10:25] our schedule. [02:10:26] But I just want to make sure everyone is here to talk to you guys. [02:10:29] That's exactly what we want. [02:10:31] So that's fine. [02:10:32] Thank you very much. [02:10:33] Next item is... [02:10:35] Sorry, I'll be quick. [02:10:37] What I would say is that, and our staff has worked on this, maybe there's some solutions [02:10:41] between now and the next two weeks that were not proffered in this ordinance, but they [02:10:46] were available as a menu. [02:10:48] And there may be one or two hotel owners that want to meet privately with either the chief [02:10:52] or... [02:10:53] That's what we just said. [02:10:54] Yeah. [02:10:55] Thank you. [02:10:56] Okay. [02:10:57] Thank you. [02:10:58] Next is creation appointment of a community development block grant.

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    2019 Gloria Swanson Parking Lot Improvements - Project Task Order No. 41 - Engineering Services

    approved

    Council approved Project Task Order No. 41 with Genesis Group for engineering services for the 2019 Gloria Swanson parking lot improvements, in an amount not to exceed $45,100. The concept creates 123 parking spaces (35 more than existing 88) plus two EV charging spaces. Council discussed adding designated golf cart parking, possibly on Sims Lane or Bank Street, to be considered further at a February 5 golf cart discussion.

    • motion:Approve Project Task Order No. 41 with Genesis Group for engineering services for the 2019 Gloria Swanson parking lot improvements, not to exceed $45,100. (passed)

    📍Bank Street📍Gloria Swanson parking lot📍Sims Lane📍Sims Park🏢Duke Energy🏢Genesis Group🏢Hacienda Hotel👤Bob Langford👤Debbie Manns👤Robert Rivera#2019 Gloria Swanson Parking Lot Improvements#Downtown Parking Implementation Study#Duke Energy EV charging grant#February 5 golf cart discussion#Project Task Order No. 41

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    [02:11:01] Community development block grant. [02:11:05] Community development block grant citizens advisory task force. [02:11:08] Ms. Mann. [02:11:09] Yes, sir. [02:11:10] Mr. Mayor. [02:11:11] This is a six-member board that the city is required to establish in relationship to participating [02:11:20] in the state community development block grant program. [02:11:23] The purpose of the advisory task force is to review program documents and activities. [02:11:30] The following city residents have indicated an interest in serving and we're recommending [02:11:35] that you consider approving an appointment to the board. [02:11:39] Judy DiBella-Thomas, Andrea Monge, Sandra Perez, David Rink, Lisa Gallegos, and Robin Kark. [02:11:51] I would ask if there's any public comment, but I'm not sure. [02:11:54] Anything to say? [02:11:59] It's not moving this way, so I'm going to bring it back to council. [02:12:01] I just have one question. [02:12:04] Normally when we get a, you know, somebody wants to be on a board or advisory board, [02:12:08] we get like an application and we approve the application. [02:12:12] Is this a similar type thing or is this we can just do this? [02:12:16] I have a question. [02:12:17] This is a little bit different, although it is still a city board or commission, so if [02:12:24] you'd like to see the backup material, we can make that happen for you. [02:12:29] It's more procedural, that's what I'm asking. [02:12:33] Well, this is not a statutory or an ordinance type of committee. [02:12:37] This is an ad hoc committee. [02:12:39] That's correct. [02:12:40] So it's different than a cultural affairs board. [02:12:43] Correct, which is an ongoing standing board of the city. [02:12:47] I'm sorry about these individuals. [02:12:49] You're asking us to appoint to this board? [02:12:53] We're looking for the grant, the CDBG grant that we receive. [02:12:56] So the requirements, and Mr. Davis, we actually had recruited people for this board, so that's [02:13:01] why we didn't go through the normal process on that. [02:13:04] So, you know, anticipated if we do get the grant, it'll last between a year and two and [02:13:09] a half years. [02:13:10] So once that grant is done, their work is done, unless we apply for another grant, then [02:13:15] we look for another task force. [02:13:17] Is this the million dollar housing grant? [02:13:21] Well, we could receive up to $750,000, we think, if the rules are the same for the grant [02:13:25] coming up as the prior years. [02:13:27] Thank you. [02:13:29] I just want, it's more procedural, I just wanted to ask. [02:13:32] Would you entertain a motion? [02:13:33] I'll move to appoint the board as presented. [02:13:36] I'll second it. [02:13:37] Mr. Necker? [02:13:38] No, I think we have to rely on the quick-wittedness of our staff and their ability to get these [02:13:45] names in front of us. [02:13:46] I recognize a few, I don't recognize them all, but I'm sure that they've looked at them [02:13:50] to determine that they have helpful credentials to evaluate. [02:13:54] Deputy Mayor? [02:13:55] Nothing. [02:13:56] On this? [02:13:57] Councilman Murphy? [02:13:58] Nothing. [02:13:59] Good. [02:14:00] In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:14:02] Aye. [02:14:03] Opposed? [02:14:04] Black sign. [02:14:05] Motion passes. [02:14:06] 2019 Gloria Swenson parking lot improvements. [02:14:09] Mr. Rivera has prepared a PowerPoint presentation on this item. [02:14:14] My specific request is to hire Genesis Group for Engineering Services for the Gloria Swenson [02:14:20] parking lot improvement project. [02:14:22] Mr. Rivera? [02:14:23] Thank you. [02:14:24] The task order is in the amount not to exceed $45,100. [02:14:29] If you recall, this item came up during the downtown parking implementation study that [02:14:36] Genesis presented to City Council. [02:14:41] It basically talked about the different concepts and the different existing conditions and [02:14:46] future conditions with the parking downtown. [02:14:51] During that discussion or presentation, excuse me, we started talking about once the Hacienda [02:14:57] Hotel opened up, where the adequate parking in this area would be. [02:15:00] area would become deficient. [02:15:04] And so this is the concept that city council had reviewed during that work session. [02:15:10] And we directed staff to get with Genesis to follow through with it. [02:15:17] So what this concept does is it creates 123 vehicle parking spaces, [02:15:25] which is 35 additional spaces above the existing 88. [02:15:30] And it also includes two spaces that would be for electric vehicle charging purposes. [02:15:37] What about golf carts? [02:15:40] Typically, I don't know that one because I... [02:15:44] They're little tiny spaces, Robert, not big. [02:15:46] Yeah, the charging station that we're going to install here was with the Duke Energy grant we got approved for. [02:15:54] And I'd have to look at it and I can get back with you. [02:15:56] I don't know if it does have a charging port for golf carts. [02:16:01] No, no, I'm not concerned with that. [02:16:03] I'm saying if a golf cart pulls in one spot, it's taking up quite a bit of space. [02:16:08] If there's like five or seven designated golf cart parking spots, it's going to take up, [02:16:15] it's going to give more room for the cars. [02:16:17] I would, and coming off of what the Deputy Mayor just suggested, [02:16:23] you've got some parallel spaces on Bank Street. [02:16:28] And one or more of those might be appropriate to stripe perpendicular, [02:16:36] much like they did over at Boulevard Buffinelle, [02:16:42] to make little mini parking spots that are specific for the golf carts. [02:16:48] Yeah, my personal opinion is I would not want them on Bank Street [02:16:52] because there's cars coming in and out of there. [02:16:54] Kids, a lot of times kids riding golf carts and, you know, they're just, [02:16:58] it's I think it'd be safer to have around the corner in the main spot somewhere. [02:17:02] I'm just bringing it up because if you throw a few golf cart spots in there, [02:17:05] it takes up very minimal space and it prevents them from taking a full parking spot [02:17:10] from a vehicle that we've had that discussion before. [02:17:13] So, it's just something to think about. [02:17:14] Talk to Genesis, see what they think. [02:17:16] It'd be pretty easy to implement, I think. [02:17:18] Okay, thank you. [02:17:19] Ninety-two of them or seventy-two? [02:17:21] There's over a hundred registered, I think, right now. [02:17:23] Well, no, I mean in the parade they, you know, saved that. [02:17:25] Oh, yeah. [02:17:26] Yeah, there were a bunch. [02:17:28] Any other discussion? [02:17:29] Yeah, just along the line of the golf carts. [02:17:31] I know we have prohibited golf carts in Sims Park, [02:17:34] but we know we've talked about the movies and the way they're lining up back there [02:17:38] and sometimes I've got to believe if we're going to let them come to the movies and park [02:17:43] that, you know, it's possible that we might have a limited access place for the golf carts [02:17:48] to just safely get in there and out and not even be on the street. [02:17:52] But that's just the thought, whether it was permanent or not. [02:17:54] But if somebody wants to not drive their car downtown and go to the park and take their kids, [02:17:59] why not let them park where they're always parking already and turn those into parking spaces? [02:18:04] Just a thought. [02:18:05] I hear you. [02:18:06] Just the movies are like, and great, great point. [02:18:08] I'm not disagreeing with you. [02:18:09] I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not. [02:18:10] Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the best way because I personally am 100% okay, [02:18:15] even though I've never done it, bringing a golf cart inside the park for a movie, right? [02:18:19] As long as you're not ignorant and park, pull up right in front of a family sitting on a blanket that's already there. [02:18:23] However, that's a very small amount of time compared to the amount of time families visit the park. [02:18:28] And a lot of people are taking their golf carts out of the park. [02:18:30] And, you know, I do see them go up on the grass and what not. [02:18:32] I mean, I've yet to see a golf cart just damage or just act in a very negative behavior in the park. [02:18:40] I've yet to see that. [02:18:41] My only point being is if there was allotted spaces for a permanent basis somewhere for the golf carts, [02:18:47] I think it would just free up more spaces for cars. [02:18:50] That's my only point. [02:18:50] But your point is taken as well. [02:18:52] Yeah, perhaps over on Sims Lane. [02:18:55] And the reason I say that is Bob Langford and I did a little experiment with my smart car and his golf cart. [02:19:03] And both of us nosed into one of the parallel parking spaces. [02:19:08] And we only used half the space. [02:19:11] So you could if you took one or even two of the parallel parking spaces on Sims Lane, [02:19:19] which isn't quite as busy as Bank Street and designated those as designated golf cart parking, wouldn't be a bad deal. [02:19:30] I want to say, you know, that's exactly where I was going. [02:19:33] Not only Sims Lane, but that parking lot that's over there on the west side. [02:19:38] Look into that, not just necessarily this area here, [02:19:40] but also I think that maybe informational when they register their golf carts or where there is golf cart parking, [02:19:48] you know, in the city, kind of a map. [02:19:50] So that might help, you know, with information and they'll know where to go instead of winding all around or moving into a parking spot that is for a car. [02:19:58] And we probably and we're way off of the Swanson lot at this point. [02:20:03] But and I've had people that have talked about the golf carts in the park. [02:20:08] And one of the things we might want to do, and if we bring them in on that north lot for the movies, [02:20:16] is basically have a designated route to get them in into that area where they like to park for the movies and concerts. [02:20:22] And basically just restrict it down to that. [02:20:24] So the people that are walking coming in from the Swanson lot aren't getting run over by golf carts. [02:20:29] At the same time, the golf carts can safely get in from the other side. [02:20:32] It's just informational to the people when they register their vehicle or register their golf cart. [02:20:38] And I think we've got a discussion on golf carts coming up sometime in the February 5th. [02:20:44] So tuck that one away for reference as far as parking, because we probably could deal with that at the same time. [02:20:51] Any other discussion on the Swanson lot? [02:20:53] No. [02:20:54] No. [02:20:55] In that case, did we get a motion? [02:20:57] You did not have a motion. [02:20:58] OK. [02:20:59] Move. [02:21:00] We have a motion and a second. [02:21:03] Further discussion? [02:21:04] Hearing not all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:21:07] Aye. [02:21:08] Opposed, like sign. [02:21:09] Motion passes. [02:21:11] Next, Fleet Utility Purchasing Warehouse. [02:21:16] The purpose of the agenda item is a design development task order. [02:21:20] The recommendation from the staff is to hire McKim and Creed for the project for an amount not to exceed $43,900. [02:21:31] And Mr. Rivera has a PowerPoint on this item as well. [02:21:35] Just wanted to add that this is a steel frame building that was built in 1973. [02:21:41] Originally, it housed the fleet garage, the utility purchasing warehouse, as well as all of Public Works maintenance operations until 2008. [02:21:51] And that's when the operations moved over to the new building that was constructed a little bit further down the road. [02:22:00] The fleet maintenance and the utility warehouse expanded inside the building. [02:22:05] But since then, limited improvements have been done to the building. [02:22:10] I think it's the second oldest building other than the fire station that we have. [02:22:17] You can see this is, I took some pictures so that you could see the condition of it. [02:22:21] Obviously, it's not up to today's standards. [02:22:23] This is the outside. [02:22:24] And you can see there's several areas where, you know, the rust and corrosion has started on the outside skin, around the door frames. [02:22:34] The inside of the building, this is the garage area. [02:22:37] You can see where the insulation needs to be replaced. [02:22:42] It's hard to tell, but all along all of these beams that you see, and even right around here, corrosion, extensive corrosion has occurred. [02:22:50] There is no hardening of all of the garage doors that we have, any storm hardening. [02:22:56] So that would be one of the things that we would be looking at. [02:23:00] You can see here in this slide where you've got, over the years, different things have been built to where we've changed the uses of the building. [02:23:10] You can see where we've got HVAC duct work that's, you know, very primitive. [02:23:18] This is an old office space that currently houses inventory. [02:23:25] This is the best restroom that we have for both male and female. [02:23:31] This is the break room that the men currently use, and you can see they're sharing that with parts that are on the shelves there. [02:23:40] And then this is the outside where we've got our storage materials. [02:23:44] None of it's covered. [02:23:45] It really doesn't make too much for the debris, but when we've got some of the sand and asphalt millings and things like that, you want that stuff covered. [02:23:53] There's no cover for the large heavy equipment. [02:23:58] These are our pipes and other utility items that we have, our valves, fire hydrants, all of that stuff that technically should be in a covered storage area. [02:24:10] You can see where these structures here were built by staff, and over the years, this thing did extend. [02:24:16] It was connected, but over the years, with the storms, we've lost little by little. [02:24:24] And so that's basically it. [02:24:25] So this study that we're going to do will have the different engineering trades come in and assess the building. [02:24:33] An example would be the electrical engineer will come in and take a look at the electrical systems and see what needs to be done. [02:24:41] You'll have the architects come in and take a look at the different designs or concepts that they would come and present to you. [02:24:47] We'll have structural engineers take a look at the framework, let us know if the building has to be totally replaced or it can be renovated, [02:24:55] all of those types of things that we need to identify prior to being able to design a project. [02:25:02] And so this is the development of the design. [02:25:05] I'll open this up for public comment. [02:25:07] Move approval. [02:25:08] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council.

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15. 11.c

    Fleet/Utility Purchasing Warehouse – Design Development Task Order No. 19

    approved

    Council considered Design Development Task Order No. 19 for the Fleet/Utility Purchasing Warehouse. A motion was made and seconded with direction added that a structural engineer evaluate the building before spending the full $43,000 on design. The motion passed by voice vote.

    • motion:Approve Design Development Task Order No. 19 for the Fleet/Utility Purchasing Warehouse, with direction that a structural engineer's report be obtained before spending the full design fee. (passed)
    • direction:Staff directed to obtain a structural engineer's assessment before expending the full $43,000 on architectural design. (none)

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    [02:25:11] Move approval. [02:25:12] Okay, and a second. [02:25:13] I have another question first. [02:25:15] You've got a lot of people coming in. [02:25:17] Wouldn't the first person to be would be a structural, and that would be whether we go one more step or just start from scratch right then? [02:25:25] You could do it that way, correct? [02:25:27] Right. [02:25:28] Once we meet with the engineer, that's exactly what we'll do. [02:25:31] I mean, you know, you brought up other entities. [02:25:33] But, you know, in my opinion, before we spend $43,000, I would like to see a structural engineer saying yes or no right off the bat. [02:25:41] Can I add that to your? [02:25:42] Well, I would assume that would be best practice. [02:25:44] I'm with you. [02:25:45] You can say to let us know how the structural engineer report is before you spend all the money on it. [02:25:50] Right, yeah, yeah, okay. [02:25:52] It seemed like he already knew since he was talking about the architect designing something. [02:25:58] I don't know. [02:25:58] We might want to save that bathroom. [02:26:00] To the second? [02:26:05] No. [02:26:06] Any further discussion? [02:26:07] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:26:10] Aye. [02:26:11] Opposed, like sign. [02:26:13] Next, bid award yard debris grinding services. [02:26:17] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. [02:26:19] The city is currently in a contract for yard debris grinding services with Grow Incorporated. [02:26:27] The current fee from 2015 is $525 per hour. [02:26:36] They were the sole bidder on the project to perform our grinding work. [02:26:43] Their fee for services for the next three-year period of time is $550 per hour, [02:26:51] which covers the cost of a grinder, an operator, and maintenance support. [02:26:57] As you know, we grind our yard debris twice per year, [02:27:04] and we make that compost materials available for residents in their gardens and flowerbeds. [02:27:09] We're recommending that the sole load bid submitted by Grow Incorporated be accepted by you. [02:27:15] Thank you. [02:27:16] I'll open it up for public comment. [02:27:18] Move approval. [02:27:19] Seeing no one come forward, we've got a motion. [02:27:22] Second. [02:27:24] Any discussion? [02:27:25] Just a comment. [02:27:26] We still have a serious, serious issue in our city with illegal landscape debris dumping. [02:27:31] And to the- [02:27:33] Hey, but I got a place to take my Christmas tree down. [02:27:37] To the comment, Tom, when somebody puts all of their yard debris in a truck [02:27:44] and drives it all the way up to Shady Hills, [02:27:46] the amount of fuel that they expend from New Port Richey, [02:27:50] or what's the cause behind all this illegal dumping? [02:27:54] It's got to be the length and time that it takes for somebody to haul that stuff away. [02:27:59] And I would suggest that as we look for a long-term solution, [02:28:05] the county charges them even by the time you drive out there for that same material. [02:28:10] And, you know, I think this is a future work session. [02:28:14] You know, what are we going to do with those of us with big trees who need the lawn service pickup? [02:28:20] There's a lot of issues related to it. [02:28:21] This is a simple one, the motion, and it stands alone. [02:28:24] But I think it's foolish for us to waste that much gas [02:28:30] and that much of this county to drive that far to dump something that needs to get dumped. [02:28:35] For those that don't live in the city, we've got our city covered. [02:28:38] Everybody else likes it until they come in and dump on us. [02:28:42] I get it. [02:28:42] To me, that's a county issue. [02:28:44] Go to your county commissioner and say, [02:28:45] we need better options to, you know, get rid of our landscape. [02:28:48] We've got you covered in the city. [02:28:49] We've got a landscape. [02:28:50] Go look right across from Genesis School right now. [02:28:53] The amount of palm fronds that are sitting on the side of a duplex right now. [02:28:58] Landscape, it must be, I guess, 15 to 20 palm trees were trimmed, dumped right there. [02:29:04] Happens all, go look at the area over there by the health department's parking lot [02:29:09] around that little retention pond that we put up signs that says no dumping. [02:29:13] I'm not arguing with you. [02:29:14] I'm just saying they need to go to their county commissioners, their county, [02:29:17] and ask for help there because it's getting crazy, absolutely crazy. [02:29:22] I followed a truck with the trailer full of stuff from Rowan Road down past the post office. [02:29:30] And I'm thinking, why are they bringing a full load in from that way? [02:29:34] Did you follow them? [02:29:34] I tried to follow them, but they dodged me. [02:29:36] You've got to do your detective work. [02:29:38] You've got to do better. [02:29:38] Do you want a picture? [02:29:40] Send it to the chief. [02:29:41] $500 fine. [02:29:42] I don't have it. [02:29:43] Get him to call 911. [02:29:44] Boy, they're here in a second. [02:29:45] You want a bite? [02:29:47] I don't know, man. [02:29:48] I started. [02:29:50] He's got a place out on Plath Road, you know? [02:29:52] I couldn't turn left and go back on Nebraska because I'm not allowed to go back that way. [02:30:00] Go to Montana, and then they skipped me somehow in there. [02:30:02] I don't want to try. [02:30:04] There's no further discussion. [02:30:05] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:30:08] Aye. [02:30:08] Opposed, like sign. [02:30:09] Motion passes. [02:30:10] Bid award 2017 seawall repair project. [02:30:14] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. [02:30:16] Mr. Rivera will present the agenda item [02:30:20] for remediation of the seawalls at Sims Park and Cody River [02:30:26] Park as well. [02:30:28] Thank you. [02:30:28] We would like you to consider for approval the attached [02:30:32] low bid from Caltech Testing, otherwise known as Foundation [02:30:36] Professionals of Florida. [02:30:38] This is an amount not to exceed $289,930. [02:30:44] This includes phase one and phase two [02:30:46] of the seawall repairs project. [02:30:51] Both phases are in the current capital improvement program. [02:30:56] Phase one includes Sims Park seawall. [02:30:58] Phase two includes the seawall in the Cody River Greenway [02:31:03] Park. [02:31:04] The repairs include seawall stabilization, [02:31:07] weep hole installation and repairs, [02:31:10] tieback installation and repairs, [02:31:12] vertical and horizontal wall crack repairs, top cap repairs, [02:31:16] and then finally, where needed, sidewalk remediation. [02:31:19] There are some areas where the sidewalks have sunk down [02:31:24] below grade, where this type of process to stabilize the soil [02:31:28] will actually raise the existing sidewalk sections up [02:31:32] and put it back to its original condition. [02:31:34] You'll notice that the bid ranges fluctuated. [02:31:39] There was a huge difference between the high bid [02:31:41] and the low bid. [02:31:43] We talked with the contractor, did some reference checks. [02:31:47] The contractor here, Foundation Professionals of Florida, [02:31:53] this is what they do. [02:31:54] Their bid doesn't include any subcontractors. [02:31:57] They're familiar with this type of work. [02:31:59] The other three bidders that submitted bids [02:32:03] were all regular, what I would call regular construction [02:32:06] contractors that might have been able to do [02:32:09] some of the concrete work on the sidewalks, [02:32:12] if any of that was required. [02:32:14] But as far as stabilizing the soil or the seawall repairs [02:32:19] and tiebacks, weep holes, those types of activities [02:32:22] would have had to been done with subcontractors [02:32:25] that are actually familiar with this type of work. [02:32:29] The good news is when the consultant submitted [02:32:33] the assessment report to you about a year and a half ago, [02:32:37] the cost estimates were more than what the bid came in. [02:32:41] And so what we'd like to do, just to kind of update you [02:32:46] and give you a heads up, is if the contractor here [02:32:50] performs well in phase one and phase two, [02:32:54] with the additional funds, we would come to you [02:32:56] asking for a change order and taking the additional funds [02:33:00] that were budgeted for this project [02:33:02] and at least getting another phase done [02:33:05] because the price is really good. [02:33:08] And the contractor does appear to be a top-notch contractor. [02:33:12] So with that, we'd ask you to approve the low bid [02:33:15] and award the project to this company. [02:33:19] Enough for public comment. [02:33:20] Seeing no one racing forward, I entertain a motion. [02:33:25] Motion to approve. [02:33:26] Second. [02:33:27] Maker? [02:33:29] Good. [02:33:29] Second. [02:33:31] I just want to keep ahead of the seawalls. [02:33:33] I think Jeff talked about it a couple of years ago. [02:33:35] If we keep ahead of it, it's not going [02:33:37] to cost us down the road. [02:33:39] Deputy Mayor? [02:33:40] No comments, thank you. [02:33:41] Councilman? [02:33:42] During that short period, I was living [02:33:44] under the bridge on Main Street. [02:33:46] Do you remember what that was? [02:33:49] There is a, there is a, some of my colleagues [02:33:59] have dug out a nice little hovel there [02:34:01] underneath Main Street, which I think [02:34:05] if we talk about stabilization and soil stabilization, [02:34:08] I may have mentioned before, but it [02:34:11] was a concern to see that dugout area that actually [02:34:15] could create a problem. [02:34:16] So I don't know that that's what they do, [02:34:18] but it sounded like soil stabilization [02:34:21] or somebody needs to pack some dirt back in that hole [02:34:26] before the asphalt drops down. [02:34:30] There's no further discussion. [02:34:31] All those in favor, please signify. [02:34:32] Are you talking about a new one? [02:34:34] Aye. [02:34:35] Saying aye? [02:34:36] Aye. [02:34:37] Opposed? [02:34:38] Like sign? [02:34:39] Motion passed. [02:34:40] You're not talking about a new one, are you? [02:34:41] It was a recent. [02:34:42] This was back in my. [02:34:45] OK, we repaired that. [02:34:46] Oh, you did? [02:34:46] So that one's fine. [02:34:47] All right, well, see, I haven't been under there for a while. [02:34:50] We finally got a house. [02:34:51] You and Joe got another one. [02:34:56] Mr. Romanoli, we have a development department report. [02:35:01] Yes, thank you, Mayor and Council. [02:35:05] It's nice that it's my six month anniversary [02:35:08] and first time I'm speaking, and we [02:35:10] had a pretty interesting meeting with discussion. [02:35:14] But one of the challenges, and one thing we should know [02:35:17] is we're calling ourselves Planning and Development, [02:35:20] not just Development. [02:35:21] It's a better reflection of what we do, [02:35:24] and we hope that sticks because, and I've [02:35:27] noticed in living here for 25 years, [02:35:30] that department's gone through several different names [02:35:32] over the years, too, and hopefully this [02:35:34] is a name that stays because at least that's [02:35:36] a name we're calling ourselves. [02:35:38] And one thing, one challenge we've had [02:35:43] is that it's only been about a month [02:35:45] that we've had our full contingent of planners [02:35:47] working for us. [02:35:48] So our senior planner left us about a month ago, [02:35:53] who's very talented, and it's just me and a new planner. [02:35:56] So we're trying to be forthright, [02:36:00] but we really don't have a lot of history, [02:36:04] which can be good and bad as far as things going on. [02:36:06] But one of the things we're trying to do [02:36:08] is simplify procedures and processes. [02:36:12] One thing we found out is that we're very paper intensive, [02:36:17] and there's some forms of applications [02:36:19] that we required 13, 14, 15 sets of plans, [02:36:23] and we tried to digitize as much as possible. [02:36:25] So make it easy for people that are applying for development. [02:36:29] There's no reason that everybody needs [02:36:31] a paper copy of the plan, which is mainly [02:36:34] for members of the Development Review Committee, [02:36:36] and they can just easily look at it [02:36:37] on the computer as anybody else. [02:36:39] So we require two sets, not 15 sets anymore. [02:36:43] The other process that we do is when people come in, [02:36:47] we just, if it doesn't work, we just don't say no. [02:36:50] We try to figure out a way to make it work. [02:36:53] Now one thing about our code, [02:36:54] and I'll talk about this a little bit later, [02:36:56] our code is not the simplest document in the world. [02:37:00] And I remember pictures, you may see pictures [02:37:02] of people debating over documents with long beards. [02:37:05] Our code is like that, [02:37:06] because it can go a couple different directions. [02:37:08] They're not all in the same place. [02:37:10] So we're trying to figure out where things are, [02:37:12] but we're trying to make things simpler [02:37:14] for the people that do come and apply. [02:37:17] The other thing, our goals will be [02:37:19] administering the annexation program [02:37:21] once the city and the county have come to an agreement, [02:37:25] but we're going beyond that. [02:37:27] Coming to you soon will be an ordinance [02:37:30] eliminating the annexation ordinance [02:37:32] that we currently have on the books. [02:37:35] And most cities don't have an annexation ordinance. [02:37:37] If you look at our annexation ordinance, [02:37:39] someone who wants to be annexed [02:37:40] has to bring 15 or 20 things in that are not necessary. [02:37:45] We had a person that wanted to have, [02:37:47] his parcel was split by a 15 foot, another parcel, [02:37:52] and wanted to unify the whole title [02:37:54] and annex that parcel in. [02:37:56] We looked at the 15 or 20 things that was required. [02:37:58] They said, why do this? [02:38:00] So there's no reason to do this. [02:38:02] I've already talked to our city attorney. [02:38:03] We just create an annexation ordinance every time we annex, [02:38:06] instead of requiring all those steps that are needed, [02:38:09] whether it be a steel factory or a single family house. [02:38:13] The other thing we'll be doing is [02:38:15] contacting and working with every property owner [02:38:17] that touches the city, not just the enclaves, [02:38:21] and see if we can annex them in. [02:38:23] Yes, while we may have higher taxes than the county, [02:38:27] we have better police protection, we have better services, [02:38:30] and there are other things that we can sell [02:38:32] that the county cannot sell. [02:38:34] We also have created a fiscal analysis package [02:38:38] for annexations, so we can see whether the annexation [02:38:41] is worthwhile to come into the city or not. [02:38:44] And we've done some test cases on that. [02:38:46] We already had one, and in fact, [02:38:48] Ms. Manns and I talked about one that, [02:38:50] it just didn't work because it was a non-profit parcel [02:38:53] that would have cost, especially our fire department, [02:38:55] quite a bit of money if it came in. [02:38:58] So we've already used that. [02:39:01] Our housing grants, we have one that's ending [02:39:03] and one that's beginning. [02:39:05] We're looking forward to our state CDBG grant [02:39:08] that could bring several hundred thousand dollars [02:39:10] into the city and renovate houses to a great deal. [02:39:14] The current housing program that we do have [02:39:16] that's funded by the county CDBG, [02:39:18] we've changed some of the program. [02:39:20] It disenfranchised very low-income people [02:39:25] from fixing their houses because it required [02:39:27] a one-for-one match. [02:39:29] We no longer require the match. [02:39:31] So anyone that needs assistance, [02:39:33] they get a $10,000 grant. [02:39:34] They don't have to put up any money of their own. [02:39:36] And so people that were elderly, very low-income, [02:39:39] could not apply for the city's program, [02:39:41] so we got rid of that. [02:39:43] Another goal is activating, reactivating [02:39:45] the Historic Preservation Committee. [02:39:47] It looks like we went halfway. [02:39:49] There were some things in the ordinance [02:39:51] that the state wants us to change, [02:39:53] so that'll be coming to you also. [02:39:56] And once we change that and get that committee restarted, [02:39:59] we can apply for grants from the state, [02:40:01] from the Department of State, [02:40:03] for either survey money or renovation money [02:40:05] or other things that can come into the city. [02:40:07] We've contacted some of the members of the old committee,

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    This transcript segment does not discuss yard debris grinding services bid award; instead it contains a Development Department report covering zoning code rewrite, sign ordinance, outdoor storage/display rules, automobile lot regulations, outdoor lighting, form-based zoning, accessory dwelling units, and alley development. Council members discussed coordination with the county on signage and offered direction on planning priorities.

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    [02:40:10] and most of them say they wanna rejoin [02:40:12] and bring that committee back. [02:40:15] And updating the Land Development Code, [02:40:17] we have rewritten the zoning code already [02:40:21] to make it a little bit more user-friendly [02:40:23] and put it in a tabular format [02:40:25] instead of the long-written format. [02:40:27] And the next step then is to work with you [02:40:29] and the Land Development Review Board [02:40:31] is that what do we wanna change in the zoning code? [02:40:34] Because there's some inconsistencies [02:40:36] between the different residential zones [02:40:38] and the commercial zones that probably should be changed, [02:40:41] and there's some things that probably [02:40:44] somebody in 1960 thought was a great idea [02:40:47] but doesn't really work today. [02:40:48] So we'll be working with you on that. [02:40:50] That's gonna be a long process, [02:40:51] but our zoning code needs to be changed. [02:40:55] In addition to that, there are a couple other [02:40:57] upcoming proposals that'll be coming to you. [02:41:00] The city did hire Milgren and Associates [02:41:03] for a signed ordinance, and they presented the report, [02:41:06] but we have not implemented parts of the report, [02:41:08] so we'll be going through that [02:41:10] and presenting different parts [02:41:11] of the assigned ordinance to you. [02:41:13] Outdoor storage and displays, [02:41:15] the rules are really unclear in our ordinances [02:41:18] on what can be put out there. [02:41:20] We all go through the city, [02:41:21] and we talk about how it looks sometimes, [02:41:23] and we go places, and there are wheelchairs [02:41:26] sitting out there and other things on display. [02:41:28] We're gonna create what the rules are [02:41:30] for commercial businesses for outdoor storage and display [02:41:32] and bring that to you. [02:41:34] Automobile lots. [02:41:37] So those are some of the [02:41:41] not best-looking places we have in the city, [02:41:43] and we have quite a few. [02:41:44] Among them is strengthening the landscaping requirements, [02:41:47] strengthening where the cars can actually be presented [02:41:51] instead of cars being all the way to the property line, [02:41:53] maybe bring them back to provide perspective [02:41:57] and make it look better. [02:41:59] Also, say where the cars can be [02:42:02] and where visitors' parking spots can be, [02:42:05] so that'll be coming to you also. [02:42:07] Outdoor lighting. [02:42:07] We have had complaints, [02:42:09] especially where residential and commercial come together [02:42:13] and multifamily come together, [02:42:15] about light pollution affecting single-family homes, [02:42:18] so we have some proposals to bring to you on that. [02:42:21] Also, form-based zoning. [02:42:24] So form-based zoning is a different type of zoning [02:42:26] than the Euclidean zoning that we have. [02:42:28] Our Euclidean zoning says, if you put this here, [02:42:33] this can be only a residence, [02:42:34] or this can be only commercial. [02:42:36] Form-based zoning is more, [02:42:39] well, you can put commercial or residential there, [02:42:41] but it depends how it looks, with some conditions on that. [02:42:45] So we went to some training on that. [02:42:48] We're gonna look at that, [02:42:49] maybe hire a consultant to work with the council [02:42:52] if the council would like to go in that direction, [02:42:54] but it is kind of a cutting-edge planning tool. [02:42:58] It may be we may limit it just to our downtown area [02:43:02] and maybe the highway commercial area, [02:43:04] not the single-family residential area, [02:43:07] but it could be something that really brings up [02:43:11] the look of the city. [02:43:13] Just two quick questions. [02:43:15] Thank you, George. [02:43:15] Regarding the sign ordinance, [02:43:16] are you working with the county? [02:43:17] Because when we had the Westside meeting last year, [02:43:20] we were talking about having that sign ordinance, [02:43:20] especially along US 19, [02:43:21] kind of uniform between the city and the county [02:43:23] and Portagee. [02:43:25] First question, then number two, [02:43:26] with the sign ordinance, [02:43:27] are you looking at box trucks and trailers [02:43:29] that are used for advertising? [02:43:30] Because they are starting to pop up [02:43:32] left and right along 19. [02:43:33] They've blocked the vision of people on that on 19. [02:43:35] It's really tacky-looking. [02:43:36] Just across from Southgate alone, [02:43:38] I think between box trucks and trailers, [02:43:40] there's probably four to five, right there. [02:43:45] We have discussed that with the city manager and I, [02:43:48] and code is something we really want to address. [02:43:50] So yes, those really are legal signs, [02:43:54] in my estimation, right now. [02:43:55] We just probably need to work on that [02:43:56] to say where they can be, where they can't be. [02:44:00] But you're absolutely right on that. [02:44:01] As far as working with the county, [02:44:03] I have not talked to the county about the sign ordinance, [02:44:06] but I will. [02:44:07] And I have talked to them a little bit [02:44:10] about the regulations, [02:44:11] because they have a tiger team of 15 planners [02:44:16] that are working on their ordinances right now. [02:44:18] And in fact, they had a meeting at Main Street in 19. [02:44:21] They're basically going to all the commercial nodes [02:44:23] and looking at what is existing, [02:44:25] comparing it to the codes that are there. [02:44:28] And we have non-conformities, [02:44:29] both the county and us, up and down US 19. [02:44:33] But I will talk to them about the sign ordinance [02:44:35] to see where they are with that, [02:44:36] and maybe we can come to some accommodation [02:44:38] on our rules and their rules. [02:44:42] Any questions? [02:44:44] I just want to say you have another hat [02:44:46] that we are going to probably use a lot. [02:44:48] So not only is it planning and development, [02:44:51] it's in social work. [02:44:52] Thank you. [02:44:53] I mean, it's a tool that you have in your back pocket [02:44:56] that we don't have up here, [02:44:57] and I think we can use it sometime. [02:45:00] Not just tonight, but a lot of other nights. [02:45:02] I serve at your pleasure, so anything you need from me, I'm glad to help out. [02:45:06] And I do like the new department name. [02:45:08] It is in contrast to some of the things the department has been called in the past, repeatable and mixed company. [02:45:15] Two things. [02:45:16] One, as you say, your new attitude is welcome. [02:45:19] I put an application in to get a building permit on my home to make improvements, [02:45:25] and because I had contemplated putting in a bed and breakfast, [02:45:28] it was not in the documents, but it was in the cover letter, I got a curt letter rejecting your application, [02:45:37] and by law we're going to hold it until you can't have any of your papers back for ten years. [02:45:42] Goodbye. [02:45:44] And so that was before I got on the city council, [02:45:47] but those are the kind of curt responses that I used to hear from other people, and I got one myself. [02:45:55] Not, you know, we have a problem here, how can we work through it? [02:46:00] Is this commercial? [02:46:01] Is it residential? [02:46:02] It was a residential work. [02:46:07] I'm not sure all the legalities, but I'm glad that you have a different attitude. [02:46:11] I appreciated what I heard you say about finding out ways that we can do some things instead of just rejecting things outright. [02:46:17] That's a big and important change that has, I think, held us back [02:46:22] and why we're still the same size as we were 20 years ago, effectively. [02:46:27] I would also say that we've had a number of these little talk of the towns, [02:46:32] and I know we have had talks about granny flats and changing usage, [02:46:38] and that was related to form-based codes and something called missing middle, [02:46:43] and so all of these concepts, some of us have been to those meetings and heard, [02:46:48] and I think when you say it's going to take a long time for you to straighten up the existing zoning, [02:46:55] I would like to get to the front of this wagon train [02:47:00] and figure out what the residents and what my colleagues think about some of these concepts [02:47:06] so we could set you and the city manager on a path that would get us to wherever that might be. [02:47:14] I don't know if we like them, but we don't like them. [02:47:19] We have so much planning to do in our city right now that it's farther up in the sky. [02:47:26] We do have an accessory unit, dwelling unit ordinance in development, [02:47:31] so that's something which does meet the missing middle, [02:47:34] and also to increase the density of some of our neighborhoods that can have that density. [02:47:39] One of the concerns we have, of course, is design. [02:47:42] We had recently an accessory structure built in the front of a yard that was totally out of character with the neighborhood. [02:47:48] That's something else we have to do. [02:47:50] So we keep finding new things, but I don't want to do 10 ordinances every council meeting, right? [02:47:58] And you have to give us direction, too, of what you would – [02:48:02] and the city manager, of course, gives me the priorities she wants me to do. [02:48:05] I think that's my comment. [02:48:06] You laid out some things you're working on. [02:48:08] I'm just thinking there's probably a good path through to us at some point as to that. [02:48:13] And I think once we're fully staffed, too, we'll be able to work – [02:48:17] right now it's a lot of working on the current development because we don't want to have permits set. [02:48:23] We don't want to have development applications set. [02:48:25] We want to make sure those go timely out. [02:48:28] So a lot of the policy things are being pushed back a little bit, but we try to do both. [02:48:31] I should mention also with the larger developments, we've gone to – [02:48:35] not just even larger developments, but our pre-application meetings. [02:48:38] We're encouraging more and more developers to do that and meeting at the site. [02:48:43] We can meet in our office, but, you know, being at the site and say, well, look at that tree [02:48:47] and look at that contour and look at that fence, it's much easier for a developer or – [02:48:52] not just the developer, any person that owns a property to relate and for us to relate actually seeing the property. [02:48:58] So the one great thing about New Port Richey from City Hall, you can be anywhere in the city in 10 minutes. [02:49:03] So we can be with – and meet with people at their site, at their house, at their business [02:49:08] and discuss the issues that they want to deal with. [02:49:11] Finally, the alleys in our old part of the town. [02:49:15] I know our new Frank Starkey's people, places, and his comments about alleys and the sort of new way of living. [02:49:26] Our alleys have been a topic for some time. [02:49:29] If you do have ancillary units or if you – if we are always in search of parking spaces, [02:49:37] I had suggested to Frank or to his architect, I was talking to him, [02:49:43] maybe we can offer some incentives if someone gives up their front driveway cut and has a room [02:49:49] and we have an alley development behind, we can have some more street parking [02:49:53] and stop all these cars just driving right off of our downtown uncurbed, uncompleted front. [02:50:04] So I look forward to talking about all that stuff in the years ahead. [02:50:08] Thank you. [02:50:09] All right, we're to communications and reports.

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17. 11.e

    Bid Award - 2017 Seawall Repair Project Phase I & II

    Council members made closing comments; no action was taken on this item as listed. Mr. Allen mentioned attending a Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council strategic planning meeting, the Deputy Mayor expressed unease about civility during the work session, and Councilman Davis thanked artist Sarah Hansen for displaying her artwork. The meeting was then adjourned.

    • motion:Motion to adjourn the meeting. (passed)

    🏢Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council👤Brian👤Councilman Davis👤Justin👤Mr. Allen👤Mr. Murphy👤Sarah Hansen#Pledge of Civility

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    [02:50:12] Mr. Murphy. [02:50:13] I'm going to save mine for next time. [02:50:15] Okay. [02:50:16] Mr. Allen. [02:50:17] Justin, I went to the strategy and strategic planning meeting at Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council [02:50:22] and I will share some of that with you when we are in a more appropriate time to talk about it. [02:50:29] And you missed some great ice cream at the meeting some of the rest of us went to when you were there. [02:50:35] I don't know what you're talking about. [02:50:37] Three bowls later. [02:50:38] How many bowls later? [02:50:39] Three bowls. [02:50:40] Three bowls. [02:50:41] Yeah. [02:50:42] Deputy Mayor. [02:50:43] I also have a bunch to say but I'm also going to forgo. [02:50:46] The only comment I'm going to make is what I made earlier during the work session. [02:50:48] I think that we should have this pledge of civility either printed and framed [02:50:52] or on a plaque outside each entryway of council chambers because I'll tell you what, [02:50:58] I've never been as uneasy as I was today during our work session in almost six years. [02:51:03] It's craziness. [02:51:06] Councilman Davis. [02:51:07] I just want to thank Sarah Hansen for coming and being here with her art. [02:51:12] I don't know if you can do it through the library or rec center. [02:51:17] Both of you have social media and even Brian and our website. [02:51:23] If we have somebody to come here and have that art, [02:51:26] I'd like the public to know that she's coming here and is going to be here. [02:51:30] She even tried to bribe us with vegetables and cookies and stuff. [02:51:34] No, she's got some beautiful art out there. [02:51:36] I think as we continue to put people out there, [02:51:39] I'd like the public to know to come take a look. [02:51:44] I will concur with the Deputy Mayor. [02:51:46] I don't think in the last 12 years that I've been involved with city council [02:51:52] that I've ever seen the police chief haul people out of a meeting screaming. [02:52:00] On that cheerful note, I would entertain a motion. [02:52:02] We adjourn this meeting. [02:52:04] It's adjourned.

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18. 11.f

    Three Minute Report: Development Department

    Three-minute report from the Development Department.

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19. 12Communications
20. 13Adjournment