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1. 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
2. 2

   Pledge of Allegiance

   The Pledge of Allegiance was recited followed by a moment of silence honoring servicemen and women.

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   [00:00:17] Thank you. [00:00:17] I ask you to all please stand, join me in the pledge of allegiance, [00:00:20] and remain standing for a moment of silence in honor of our [00:00:22] servicemen and women at home and abroad. [00:00:24] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the [00:00:31] Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

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   Moment of Silence

   Procedural moment of silence and Pledge of Allegiance.

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   [00:00:36] liberty and justice for all. [00:00:43] Thank you. [00:00:43] You may be seated.

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4. 4

   Approval of July 5, 2017 Regular Meeting Minutes

   approved

   Council approved the updated minutes from the July 5, 2017 regular meeting.

   • motion:Approve the July 5, 2017 regular meeting minutes as updated. (passed)

   #July 5, 2017 Regular Meeting Minutes

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   [00:00:49] Next item on the agenda is the approval of the July 5th meeting minutes. [00:00:53] I believe there is an updated copy of those minutes at your place. [00:01:02] Second. [00:01:02] We'll give a motion and a second. [00:01:04] Any discussion? [00:01:06] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:01:08] Aye. [00:01:09] Opposed, like sign. [00:01:11] Motion passes.

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5. 5

   Presentation of Flags for Sims Park by the VFW Post 79

   Representatives of American Legion Paradise Post 79 presented the City with a Florida flag, a double-faced POW flag, and a large American flag for Sims Park, along with a $1,000 check to support the city's flag program.

   📍Grand Boulevard📍Sims Park🏢American Legion Paradise Post 79🏢Boy Scout Troop 24🏢Cub Scout Pack 24🏢Pregnancy Center🏢Suncoast News🏢VFW Post 79👤Ed White👤John Henning👤Rivera#$1,000 donation#Court of Honor (Troop 24)#Sims Park flag program

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   [00:01:12] Next is presentation of flags for Sims Park by the American Legion Post 79. [00:01:21] And we have Mr. [00:01:22] Ed White here and John Henning who will be presenting the flag to you, [00:01:26] Mr. [00:01:26] Mayor, and Mr. [00:01:28] Rivera. [00:01:42] Yes. [00:01:42] Thank you. [00:01:43] Okay. [00:01:44] We're here very, very quickly. [00:01:46] About three weeks ago when it was in the Suncoast News about the flags, it [00:01:50] started turning, turning bells of what we did back 27 years ago. [00:01:54] We had the avenue with flags here. [00:01:55] We had flags up and down Grand Boulevard and so on and so forth, [00:01:59] but that went by the wayside. [00:02:01] But anyway, we're very happy. [00:02:03] The American Legion is about as old as the city is. [00:02:06] You started, you got your charter in 1924. [00:02:08] American Legion, we started in 1927. [00:02:11] And that was the founding fathers of New Port Richey that started our post. [00:02:15] So we said, we want to get involved with this, your flags. [00:02:19] So we're here to, we got the, what you needed. [00:02:21] So here's the Florida flag, Mr. [00:02:24] Rivera, here's a double-faced POW flag, and here's the large American flag. [00:02:34] Now to assist you also in your flag program, we're now going to [00:02:39] present you a check for $1,000. [00:02:49] Thank you. [00:02:52] Can we get a picture of that? [00:02:55] I'd be happy to do it with my phone. [00:02:56] Can we get a picture of that? [00:02:57] Don't go away, Ed. [00:02:58] Don't go away, gentlemen. [00:02:59] Can we just get a picture of that? [00:03:01] Thank you. [00:03:01] Our usual picture and thank you was sitting over here. [00:03:09] And then they'll have the other two. [00:03:19] Thank you. [00:03:46] Thank you. [00:03:48] We appreciate everything that Paradise Post 79 does. [00:03:59] You're drinking your water, Mayor. [00:04:01] The Paradise Post 79 is a special place in my heart that I had shared [00:04:05] with two gentlemen in the audience. [00:04:07] I was a den mother for Cub Scout 24, which I understand that you are [00:04:16] still hosting, and Eagle Scouts from Troop 24 have been so generous to the [00:04:23] organization where I am employed at the Pregnancy Center. [00:04:26] I want to really thank you for the guidance that you give those young men. [00:04:29] And from what I understand, I believe our own mayor came out of [00:04:33] that post as well as an Eagle Scout. [00:04:35] I'm a graduate of the Troop 24. [00:04:38] I'm actually their unit commissioner now. [00:04:41] And I might mention they have a Court of Honor coming up Thursday night. [00:04:45] So if you wanted to come and tell them thank you for that project, [00:04:49] it would be a good time to go. [00:04:51] Great. [00:04:51] Thank you for that. [00:04:53] And thank you for letting me get past the frog in my throat.

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6. 6Vox Pop for Items Not Listed on the Agenda or Listed on Consent Agenda▶ 4:57
7. 7.a

   Environmental Committee Minutes - May 24, 2017

   approvedon consent

   Council approved the Environmental Committee minutes from May 24, 2017 on a voice vote.

   • motion:Motion to approve the Environmental Committee minutes of May 24, 2017. (passed)

   #Environmental Committee Minutes - May 24, 2017

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   [00:05:23] Entertain a motion. [00:05:24] Move for approval. [00:05:27] We have a motion and a second. [00:05:28] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:05:30] Aye. [00:05:31] Opposed? [00:05:32] Like sign. [00:05:33] Next is public reading of ordinances.

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8. 7.b

   Firefighters' Pension Board Minutes - March 14, 2017

   approvedon consent

   Council approved the Firefighters' Pension Board Minutes from March 14, 2017 by voice vote.

   • motion:Motion to approve the Firefighters' Pension Board Minutes from March 14, 2017. (passed)

   #Firefighters' Pension Board Minutes - March 14, 2017

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   [00:05:23] Entertain a motion. [00:05:24] Move for approval. [00:05:27] We have a motion and a second. [00:05:28] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:05:30] Aye. [00:05:31] Opposed? [00:05:32] Like sign. [00:05:33] Next is public reading of ordinances.

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9. 7.c

   Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes - May 9, 2017

   approvedon consent

   Council approved the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board minutes from May 9, 2017 by voice vote.

   • motion:Motion to approve the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board minutes of May 9, 2017. (passed)

   #Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Minutes - May 9, 2017

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   [00:05:23] Entertain a motion. [00:05:24] Move for approval. [00:05:27] We have a motion and a second. [00:05:28] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:05:30] Aye. [00:05:31] Opposed? [00:05:32] Like sign. [00:05:33] Next is public reading of ordinances.

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10. 7.d

    Police Pension Board Minutes - April 25, 2017

    approvedon consent

    Council approved the Police Pension Board minutes from April 25, 2017 as part of the consent agenda.

    • motion:Motion to approve the Police Pension Board Minutes from April 25, 2017. (passed)

    #Police Pension Board Minutes - April 25, 2017

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    [00:05:23] Entertain a motion. [00:05:24] Move for approval. [00:05:27] We have a motion and a second. [00:05:28] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:05:30] Aye. [00:05:31] Opposed? [00:05:32] Like sign. [00:05:33] Next is public reading of ordinances.

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11. 7.e

    Purchases/Payments for City Council Approval

    approvedon consent

    Council approved purchases/payments as presented.

    • motion:Motion to approve purchases/payments for City Council approval. (passed)

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    [00:05:23] Entertain a motion. [00:05:24] Move for approval. [00:05:27] We have a motion and a second. [00:05:28] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:05:30] Aye. [00:05:31] Opposed? [00:05:32] Like sign. [00:05:33] Next is public reading of ordinances.

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12. 8.a

    First Reading, Ordinance No. 2017-2117 Flood Damage Prevention

    approved

    First reading of Ordinance 2017-2117 amending Chapter 22 of the city land development code regarding flood damage prevention, to update language delineating flood hazard areas, floodway boundaries, flood zones, and design flood elevations on final plats and replats. The change was recommended following an audit of the city's National Flood Insurance Program Community Rating System, and the Land Development Review Board recommended adoption. The motion passed on first reading.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2017-2117

    • motion:Move for approval of first reading of Ordinance 2017-2117 amending Chapter 22 of the land development code on flood damage prevention. (passed)

    👤Mrs. Feerst👤Ms. Manns#Chapter 22, Section 22.11.02#Land Development Review Board#National Flood Insurance Program Community Rating System#Ordinance 2017-2117

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    [00:05:35] First reading ordinance 2017-21-17, Flood Damage. [00:05:40] 2017-21-17, Flood Damage Prevention. [00:05:44] This is ordinance 2017-21-17, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, [00:05:49] Florida amending chapter 22 of the city land development code, flood damage [00:05:52] prevention by amending section 22.11.02 subdivision flats to address delineation [00:06:00] of flood hazard areas on final flats and replats, providing for inclusion into [00:06:04] the code, severability, and an effective date. [00:06:06] Ms. Manns? [00:06:11] Mr. Mayor, members of the city council, this item is before you in relationship [00:06:17] to the city's national flood insurance programs community rating system, and it [00:06:24] is an effort to continue to protect our good rating in that respect. [00:06:32] The city recently had an audit of our community rating system and a [00:06:39] recommendation at the conclusion of it was that we change some language to [00:06:49] include a delineation of flood hazard areas, floodway boundaries, flood zones, [00:06:56] design flood elevations, and final flats and replats. [00:07:02] This ordinance, in short, does just that. [00:07:06] Mrs. Feerst presented this agenda item to the land development review board on [00:07:15] June 22nd, and it's their recommendation to you to consider adoption of the [00:07:22] ordinance. [00:07:24] Thank you. [00:07:25] I'll open this up for public comment. [00:07:29] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:07:33] Move for approval. [00:07:34] Second. [00:07:34] Can we have a motion and a second for the maker? [00:07:36] I'll just move it. [00:07:37] For a second. [00:07:38] Yeah, thank you. [00:07:40] Councilor? [00:07:41] No, sir. [00:07:42] Councilor? [00:07:43] No, thank you. [00:07:44] But I guess I do want to say the kind of weather that we've been having of late, [00:07:49] it's very timely and important that this is getting done, so thank you. [00:07:55] There's no further discussion. [00:07:56] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:07:58] Aye. [00:07:59] Opposed, the like sign. [00:08:00] Motion passes. [00:08:01] Next is second reading of ordinance 2017-2120.

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13. 8.b

    Second Reading, Ordinance No. 2017-2120 Temporary Moratorium on Wireless Facilities in Public Rights-of-Way

    approved

    Council conducted the second reading of Ordinance No. 2017-2120, establishing a 180-day temporary moratorium on applications for small/micro wireless facilities in public rights-of-way until January 3, 2018, to allow staff time to study the new state Advanced Wireless Infrastructure Deployment Act and draft code amendments. The ordinance was approved unanimously with no public comment.

    Ord. Ordinance No. 2017-2120

    • motion:Motion to approve Ordinance No. 2017-2120 establishing a temporary 180-day moratorium on wireless facilities in public rights-of-way. (passed)

    👤Councilman Phillips👤Governor Scott👤Ms. Vance#Advanced Wireless Infrastructure Deployment Act#Ordinance No. 2017-2120

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    [00:08:05] Ordinance number 2017-2120, an ordinance of the city of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:08:10] establishing and imposing a temporary moratorium within the city on the [00:08:14] acceptance and or processing of applications for co-location on existing [00:08:18] or creation of new utility poles in the rights of way to support small wireless [00:08:22] facilities or micro wireless facilities until January 3, 2018, prohibiting any [00:08:28] and all approvals during the moratorium period for any right of way located [00:08:32] within the city in order to allow an opportunity for the city to develop an [00:08:35] ordinance as appropriate relating to the impacts of recent legislation, providing [00:08:40] for non-codification, providing for conflicts, providing for severability [00:08:43] and providing for an effective date. [00:08:46] Ms. Vance? [00:08:46] Sure, Mr. Mayor. [00:08:47] As you'll recall from your last meeting, Governor Scott signed into law the [00:08:54] Advanced Wireless Infrastructure Deployment Act on July 1, 2017. [00:09:00] In that respect, the staff is asking for 180 days so that we may study the new [00:09:07] legislation and prepare any amendments to the city's code of ordinances as needed. [00:09:13] And the law specifically allows for the placement of small wireless facilities [00:09:22] within or adjacent to utility poles or wireless support structures within [00:09:28] public rights of way. [00:09:32] And we are recommending you conduct your second reading and approve the temporary [00:09:37] moratorium on wireless facilities and public rights of way for 180 day period [00:09:41] of time. [00:09:42] Thank you. [00:09:42] We'll open this up for public comment. [00:09:46] Seeing no one coming forward, bring it back to council. [00:09:49] Move to approve. [00:09:50] Second. [00:09:51] To the maker. [00:09:52] Yeah, I think it's critically important that we find out more about this and take [00:09:57] the time to explore what other, you know, what options, if any, that we might be [00:10:01] able to incorporate. [00:10:02] Thank you. [00:10:03] To the second. [00:10:04] Getting our ducks in a row. [00:10:05] Deputy Mayor? [00:10:06] I have no comments. [00:10:07] Thank you. [00:10:07] Councilman Phillips? [00:10:08] Yes, sir. [00:10:10] Hearing no further discussion, all those in favor, [00:10:12] please signify by saying aye. [00:10:13] Aye. [00:10:14] Opposed? [00:10:14] Like sign. [00:10:16] Motion passes.

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14. 9.a

    Annual Membership Drive - Recreation & Aquatic Center

    approved

    Council approved the annual membership drive at the Recreation and Aquatic Center, offering a 20% reduction on annual memberships from December 18, 2017 to January 14, 2018. Staff discussed coordinating the promotion with the rec center expansion's grand reopening planned for January.

    • motion:Move to approve the annual membership drive at the Recreation and Aquatic Center with a 20% reduction on annual memberships from Dec 18, 2017 to Jan 14, 2018. (passed)

    🏢Trinity YMCA🏢West Pasco Chamber of Commerce👤Councilman Davis👤Mr. Phillips👤Ms. Mounds👤Ms. Smith#Healthy Weight Community Champion#Recreation and Aquatic Center expansion#Recreation and Aquatic Center program guide#Sims Park#Van Buren collector road

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    [00:10:17] Next is annual membership drive for the Recreation and Aquatic Center. [00:10:20] Ms. [00:10:20] Mounds? [00:10:21] Yes, sir. [00:10:23] Ms. [00:10:23] Smith, can you represent your agenda item, please? [00:10:25] Absolutely. [00:10:26] Thank you. [00:10:28] Each December and January, we offer a membership drive at the Recreation and [00:10:32] Aquatic Center. [00:10:33] The recommendation, once again, this year is for a 20% reduction on annual [00:10:37] memberships only. [00:10:39] The membership drive would run from December 18th, 2017 to January 14th, [00:10:45] 2018. [00:10:47] This was a successful program for us last year, and staff is recommending [00:10:51] approval. [00:10:52] Is your mic picking up? [00:10:54] Yeah. [00:10:55] Not on. [00:10:58] Hello? [00:10:58] Hello? [00:10:59] Additionally, indicate what... [00:11:02] ...fire in advance of the sale. [00:11:04] Definitely speak into the mic closely. [00:11:06] Thank you. [00:11:06] It's not on. [00:11:08] Is yours on? [00:11:08] Yeah, it is. [00:11:09] It is? [00:11:09] Hello? [00:11:10] Hello? [00:11:10] Okay. [00:11:11] Yes, thank you. [00:11:12] We have been charged to do a better job of marketing, so that's why we're [00:11:17] requesting or we're putting this agenda item on so early, even though it's for [00:11:21] December. [00:11:23] We do three times a year now. [00:11:25] We started a program guide for the Recreation and Aquatic Center that's all [00:11:29] inclusive of that and the parks, the city parks. [00:11:33] This is for the next edition that would come out in September and run through [00:11:37] December. [00:11:38] So we wanted to have this as a part of that catalog. [00:11:43] Just before I open it up for public comment, how will this timeframe match [00:11:47] with the completion of the rec center expansion? [00:11:50] The full project, the construction superintendent tells me that he will be [00:11:55] out by December. [00:11:57] We will still remain open just as we are now. [00:11:59] I don't anticipate any issues with that. [00:12:01] So we're anticipating to do... [00:12:04] This will coincide too because we have tentative plans right now for sort of a [00:12:09] grand reopening, even though we're not really ever closing in January. [00:12:14] So this will help to promote the drive also at that period of time. [00:12:18] And it's also been very successful this time of the year because we do gift [00:12:22] certificates, so people buy them for their families for the holidays. [00:12:25] And then also we do a program, since we're the Healthy Weight Community [00:12:29] Champion from the Surgeon General, we use this as one of those programs too to [00:12:34] promote New Year's resolutions, you know, New Year, New You type of thing. [00:12:40] Thank you. [00:12:41] Open it up for public comment. [00:12:44] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:12:47] Move to approve. [00:12:47] Second. [00:12:48] We have a motion and a second to the maker. [00:12:50] Yeah, I think it's an excellent idea to do this and especially to promote the [00:12:55] idea of gift giving. [00:12:56] It's a great stocking stuff for whether it's just a youth or a whole household. [00:13:00] So that is excellent. [00:13:02] I just wanted to mention as well that I was at the rec center the other day and [00:13:06] it's really exciting. [00:13:07] There's just an excitement that's going on and your staff has been excellent. [00:13:12] They all seem to be, you know, just doing a great job at that. [00:13:15] Thank you. [00:13:16] Thank you. [00:13:18] I trust you'll have a marketing emphasis on the improvements, obviously, and the [00:13:24] child care program that we're not going to be offering. [00:13:26] We need to get that out. [00:13:27] Market, market, market. [00:13:29] Right. [00:13:30] We didn't put it in the last program guide because we felt it was too soon. [00:13:35] We kind of gave a little teasers about it, but yes, as we get closer, that is [00:13:39] going to be the big emphasis as well as private parties that you can have in [00:13:43] there, benefits of being a member. [00:13:46] We're going to really roll that out. [00:13:47] We have just rolled out our new webpage and software. [00:13:52] So now people are starting to register online and make those payments online [00:13:56] for various programs and rentals. [00:13:58] And speaking of the private parties while we're on the subject, I just [00:14:00] attended one of the Trinity YMCA and went through, you know, how the whole [00:14:04] party works, they had a representative from the facility that kind of is in [00:14:10] charge, hosting the party. [00:14:11] Are we going to have something similar? [00:14:13] If someone rents a party space or just give them a room, say you're on your [00:14:15] own at the pool if you want, or how's that going to work? [00:14:17] We're going to try to accommodate that with the existing staff and see if we're [00:14:21] able to, and if not, I may come back to you the next year and ask for a position. [00:14:24] But right now we feel like that we're going to be able to accommodate that [00:14:28] with the staff, not a person that can stay in there the entire time, but greet [00:14:32] them, you know, get them situated, check on them periodically, that type of thing. [00:14:39] Smith, if I might make a suggestion, the West Pasco Chamber of Commerce has a new [00:14:46] resident packet, and I might suggest that we insert these in there as well as, I [00:14:52] don't know if us as a city, if we have any kind of a packet that goes out to or [00:14:56] presented to people when they come in to sign up for, you know, anything. [00:15:00] as a new resident, but I think that would be an excellent way to do that. [00:15:03] You're welcome. [00:15:05] Councilman Davis. [00:15:08] Yeah, Mr. [00:15:09] Mayor, is that grand? [00:15:12] Is that opening date in December? [00:15:15] Is there a range of time when right now? [00:15:20] I know some, I don't know how much would be weather related. [00:15:24] We're anticipating January. [00:15:27] The only reason for that is I feel there's so much going on at the holidays [00:15:30] in December and the construction superintendent with the schedule right [00:15:34] now is the best that he can really tell me is that there'll be out before Christmas. [00:15:40] So we've decided to move it into January and right now we just have tentative plans. [00:15:45] We're going to make it more like an open house, most likely on a Saturday and have [00:15:49] it for a large part of the day and just welcome people to come in, see the [00:15:54] facility, meet the instructors, have opportunity to buy memberships and find [00:15:59] out about party packages and so forth. [00:16:02] I'd like to make a suggestion. [00:16:06] Since we have a rather large water department and we have residents in the [00:16:10] city and out, my idea would be to split it up into a three-day function, a Friday, [00:16:17] a Saturday and a Sunday, you can split the city, you and the manager or somebody [00:16:20] can figure out how to do that, but make it specific to that area of the city and [00:16:27] invite them to come to the rec center as a way. [00:16:31] Now you'll get crossovers on the days, but since later on our meeting tonight, [00:16:37] we're going to talk about the payment management plan and we've dedicated or [00:16:41] we finally have Van Buren as a collector road. [00:16:45] My thought is if you do your marketing, you got your new website, we do the stuff [00:16:52] within the city, but if you do something in conjunction with our water bill payers [00:16:58] and our business owners that some of their employees aren't city residents or on the [00:17:07] peripheral, find the rec center, where's Carmen San Diego or where the hell's the [00:17:15] rec center at, but do it over a three-day time period to kind of stage your way in as [00:17:20] your reintroduction, but my suggestion is that we make a special, they're already [00:17:26] paying us for water, they're paying us for a lot of other fees, stage some things [00:17:31] around that so that it reintroduces it and not make it all in one day. [00:17:36] You know, it's like inviting everybody down to Sims Park and they only come in for [00:17:41] three or four hours because there's so many people, kind of make it exclusive to [00:17:45] that area of the city and then you guys can piggyback your marketing from there. [00:17:49] That's just a suggestion. [00:17:50] Thank you. [00:17:51] Thank you, Mr. Phillips. [00:17:53] Any other comments, discussion? [00:17:56] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:17:59] Aye. [00:18:00] Opposed, like sign. [00:18:01] Motion passes. [00:18:02] Next is the alcoholic beverage special event permit.

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15. 9.b

    Alcoholic Beverage Special Event - Caribbean Food & Music Fest

    approved

    Council approved a special event alcohol permit allowing the African Literacy Foundation, Inc. to sell beer and wine from 12 p.m. to 11 p.m. on Saturday, August 26 at Sims Park during the second annual International Caribbean Food and Music Fest. The special event team recommended approval, and council requested the event be promoted on the city's LED screens.

    • motion:Approve the special event alcohol permit for the International Caribbean Food and Music Fest at Sims Park on August 26, allowing beer and wine sales 12 p.m.–11 p.m. (passed)
    • direction:Promote the event on the city's LED screens from now until the event date. (none)

    📍Sims Park🏢African Literacy Foundation, Incorporated👤Nelson O'Hearn👤Phillips#International Caribbean Food and Music Fest

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    [00:18:05] For the Caribbean Food and Music Fest. [00:18:08] The applicant for the International Caribbean Food and Music Fest is the African [00:18:14] Literacy Foundation, Incorporated. [00:18:17] The event would be a second in a series of what they would like to host in Sims Park. [00:18:28] The proposed date of the event is Saturday, August 26th. [00:18:33] They are requesting your permission to sell beer and wine from 12 o'clock p.m. [00:18:39] to 11 o'clock p.m. [00:18:41] on that date. [00:18:43] The special event team has reviewed the application and they are recommending [00:18:50] approval of the event to you with alcohol sales. [00:18:55] Thank you. [00:18:56] I believe we do have the applicant in attendance, if you care to say anything. [00:19:03] Thank you very much. [00:19:08] This is the second year we are doing this event, really. [00:19:10] The whole purpose behind this event is to make New Port Richey attractive to visitors [00:19:16] from outside, rather than keeping it within. [00:19:19] Last year, we had about 500 participants come in, and this year we expect more [00:19:26] because it's going to be a free event. [00:19:28] It's going to be a family-friendly event. [00:19:31] So, we are expecting, we are making it a little bit more international this time, [00:19:35] with a bunch of, I think, six or seven local acts and two international acts. [00:19:40] So, we think it's a good thing, and we've done quite a couple of events, [00:19:46] and so we are experiencing that. [00:19:48] And we are hearing New Port Richey being out there in a more positive light. [00:19:52] So, I think it's a good thing that we are doing it. [00:19:54] So, we are asking for approval. [00:19:57] Thank you. [00:19:57] Thank you. [00:19:58] If you give the name and address, your name for the record. [00:20:03] I'm Nelson O'Hearn. [00:20:07] Thank you, Nelson. [00:20:09] Open it up for public comment. [00:20:13] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:20:16] Move for approval. [00:20:17] Second. [00:20:18] Mayor. [00:20:19] Yeah, I'd like to see, once this is approved, which it sounds like it might be, [00:20:23] that it makes it up on the LED screens for the, you know, period from now until the end. [00:20:29] Absolutely. [00:20:29] August. [00:20:30] Second. [00:20:31] I was happy to hear it's going to be family-friendly. [00:20:33] What type of beer are you going to be serving? [00:20:35] Any craft beers from the Tent Bay area at all? [00:20:38] Craft beers, yeah. [00:20:43] Very good. [00:20:44] Councilman Phillips. [00:20:45] Yes, sir. [00:20:45] Anything? [00:20:46] Councilwoman. [00:20:47] Yeah, August is a great month for Caribbean, and all the best to that successful, [00:20:52] I know it was well done last year. [00:20:54] Unfortunately, it was out of town. [00:20:55] I don't know if I'll be here this year, but all the best. [00:20:59] Thank you. [00:21:00] Any further discussion? [00:21:02] Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:21:05] Aye. [00:21:05] Opposed? [00:21:06] Like sign. [00:21:07] Motion passes.

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    2016/2017 Sanitary Sewer Gravity Lining Project Close Out

    approved

    Council approved closeout of the annual 2016/2017 Sanitary Sewer Gravity Lining Project, including a deductive change order of $25,991 and a final pay request of $45,483.50. Staff explained the program lines damaged clay sewer pipes from manhole to manhole, saving on excavation and reducing operations/maintenance costs.

    • motion:Motion to approve the 2016/2017 Sanitary Sewer Gravity Lining Project closeout, including a deductive change order of $25,991 and final pay request of $45,483.50. (passed)

    👤Rivera#2016/2017 Sanitary Sewer Gravity Lining Project#Capital Improvement Program

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    [00:21:08] Next is the 2016-2017 Sanitary Supergravity Lining Project Closeout. [00:21:16] Mr. Mayor, members of the council, this is an annual project. [00:21:20] Mr. Rivera is responsible for the Capital Improvement Program, and this evening he [00:21:28] has a recommendation for you for a deductive change order in the amount of [00:21:32] $25,991 and a final pay request in the amount of $45,483.50. [00:21:44] With that, Mr. Rivera, would you like to talk a little bit about the project? [00:21:47] Sure. [00:21:48] This is our annual maintenance program, and basically what it does is we TV the [00:21:53] lines, and most of the lines are clay. [00:21:55] Once we find damaged or cracked lines, we're normally at the joints, we'll take [00:22:01] and inventory them and have this contractor come in and take and line these pipes. [00:22:05] It's a cost-saving method versus traditional construction due to the fact [00:22:11] that you don't have to excavate the ground or anything like that. [00:22:13] You can just go from manhole to manhole, and it basically has a really huge impact [00:22:19] on the utility as far as operation and maintenance costs because your chemicals [00:22:25] and your high electric rates you can lower once you start repairing your pipe [00:22:30] system, and you can stop the intrusion of water coming in. [00:22:36] Any questions? [00:22:38] How come it's a pretty substantial savings, which is, you know, it's always [00:22:44] nice to see that, but the planning on the front end, if we have that kind of [00:22:52] dollars, why wouldn't we come back and say we want to do another series at the [00:22:57] same time while we have the funds available and the people here, or gauge [00:23:01] it to where you've got add-on so you can address more at that time? [00:23:08] I'm trying to understand a little bit of the philosophy, but also we get the money [00:23:14] back and then we go back to the process when they're here and set up, and I'm [00:23:19] just trying to understand how it could be a better use of contractor time, our [00:23:25] time, and maybe shorten some of our other problem areas. [00:23:32] Sure. [00:23:32] We don't have the staff or the equipment that we would be able to devote to be [00:23:38] able to do, say, like a million dollar project or a two million dollar project [00:23:42] to where the contractor could stay here for a little bit longer time. [00:23:48] The pricing is still the same, even doing it at this marginal amount, as it is the [00:23:54] large project, simply because we piggyback off of the larger municipality [00:23:58] contracts, and so the way we found it is with all the other activities that we [00:24:04] have during the year, with our maintenance crews being able to get in [00:24:07] and TV the lines and doing that function in-house, it basically turns out to [00:24:11] around a $200,000, $300,000 project. [00:24:17] At this time, I'll open it up for any public comment. [00:24:20] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:24:22] Move for approval. [00:24:24] Second. [00:24:25] We have a motion and a second to the maker. [00:24:26] Nothing. [00:24:27] To the second. [00:24:29] Oh, no, thank you. [00:24:32] Deputy Mayor. [00:24:33] No comment. [00:24:33] Thank you. [00:24:35] And I almost had heart failure when I saw a PowerPoint slide pop up there by mistake. [00:24:42] Those in the audience, we had one with a previous public works director that was [00:24:46] about 45 minutes worth of a PowerPoint on sanitary sewer lines, and it was [00:24:54] at 1030 at night, and it was deadly. [00:24:57] There's no further discussion. [00:24:59] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:25:01] Aye. [00:25:02] Opposed, like sign. [00:25:03] So, Mayor, you're saying there was no flow to that PowerPoint? [00:25:05] No, there was not. [00:25:10] Next is wastewater treatment plant, treatment plant bulk chemicals purchases.

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    Wastewater Treatment Plant/Water Treatment Plant Bulk Chemicals Purchases

    approved

    Council awarded bids for bulk chemical purchases for the wastewater and water treatment plants: sodium hypochlorite to Allied Universal Corporation, alum to Thatcher Company Inc., sodium hydroxide to Hawkins Inc., and polymer to Polymer of Fort Bank Services. The bid from Sterling Water Technologies was rejected for failing performance standards.

    • motion:Motion to approve the bulk chemical purchase bid awards as recommended by staff, including rejection of the Sterling Water Technologies bid. (passed)

    🏢Allied Universal Corporation🏢Hawkins Incorporated🏢Polymer of Fort Bank Services🏢Sterling Water Technologies🏢Thatcher Company Incorporated👤Ms. Mance👤Phillips👤Robert Rivera#Wastewater Treatment Plant bulk chemicals#Water Treatment Plant bulk chemicals#alum#polymer#sodium hydroxide#sodium hypochlorite

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    [00:25:15] Ms. Mance. [00:25:16] Yes, sir. [00:25:16] Mr. [00:25:17] Mayor, the bid results in front of you cover the bulk purchase of four chemicals that we [00:25:26] use in the treatment of wastewater and raw water in respect to the operation of our [00:25:34] wastewater treatment plant and our water treatment plant. [00:25:38] We are recommending four bids to you, and they are based on low cost. [00:25:47] And we additionally went through the step, and Robert Rivera outlined it in his [00:25:54] communication to you dated today, that we also verified the performance standards of [00:26:04] the chemicals that we are trying to purchase. [00:26:09] In that regard, we are asking that you award a bid to Allied Universal Corporation of [00:26:18] Miami, Florida for sodium hypochlorite to Hawkins, I'm sorry, to Thatcher Company [00:26:27] Incorporated for alum to Hawkins Incorporated for sodium hydroxide. [00:26:43] And fourth, we are recommending that you reject the bid from Sterling Water Technologies [00:26:49] based on failed performance standards as described in the bid documents and award [00:27:00] instead the bid to Polymer of Fort Bank Services of Stafford, Texas. [00:27:12] And help me out, what was that for again, Robert? [00:27:15] It's for the chemical polymer. [00:27:16] Polymer. [00:27:17] Basically, what polymer does is in the towards the end of the plant process, it [00:27:22] takes that the liquid out of the solids and dries it out more so that it's lighter. [00:27:29] So when you pay for disposal, you're paying just for the dry solids without any [00:27:35] water in it. [00:27:39] Thank you. [00:27:41] Anything else? [00:27:43] That's as far as I can take it, Mr. [00:27:44] Mayor. [00:27:45] In that case, I'll put a public comment. [00:27:49] Seeing none, come forward. [00:27:50] I'll bring it back to Council. [00:27:51] Thank you. [00:27:52] Move for approval. [00:27:52] Thank you. [00:27:53] Senator? [00:27:53] To the maker. [00:27:54] Nothing. [00:27:54] To the second. [00:27:56] An exciting agenda item tonight, Robert. [00:27:58] I wanted to compliment you. [00:28:00] We went a little quick on that other one to compliment you on the color choice for [00:28:03] that slide that you put up, but thank you for this information. [00:28:07] And Ms. [00:28:07] Manns, thank you for putting it so succinctly so that we can understand and [00:28:11] digest what you had in mind. [00:28:13] Councilman Phillips? [00:28:15] No, sir. [00:28:16] Deputy Mayor? [00:28:17] I have no comments. [00:28:17] Thank you. [00:28:18] If there's no further discussion, all those in favor, please signify by saying [00:28:21] aye. [00:28:22] Aye. [00:28:23] Opposed, like sign. [00:28:24] Motion passes.

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    Resolution No. 2017-21 & No. 2017-22, Initial Assessment Resolutions - Stormwater Utility & Street Lighting

    approved

    Council adopted two initial assessment resolutions: Resolution 2017-21 for stormwater utility assessments and Resolution 2017-22 for street lighting assessments. Both approve rate studies prepared by Ayres Associates, adopt apportionment methodology, and set public hearings before final resolutions return to council.

    Ord. Resolution No. 2017-21 & No. 2017-22

    • motion:Approve Resolution 2017-21, initial assessment resolution for stormwater utility special assessments. (passed)
    • motion:Approve Resolution 2017-22, initial assessment resolution for street lighting special assessments. (passed)
    • direction:Council directed the City Manager to identify any rollover/carryover funds in the stormwater and street lighting accounts at the end of the budget process so collected funds are reinvested promptly. (none)
    • direction:Mayor directed staff to ensure the dark area near the corner of Jefferson and Central is included on the street lighting list. (none)

    📍corner of Jefferson and Central🏢Ayres Associates🏢Duke👤Bella-Thomas👤Phillips👤Valdez👤Vance#Fiscal Year commencing October 1, 2017#Penny for Pasco#Resolution 2017-21#Resolution 2017-22#Stormwater Assessment Rate Study#Street Lighting Assessment Rate Study

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    [00:28:25] Next is Resolution 2017-21. [00:28:30] Resolution 2017-21, a resolution of the City Council of New Port Richey, Florida, [00:28:35] relating to the annual funding of stormwater services in the city through [00:28:39] the imposition of special assessments. [00:28:41] Approving the stormwater assessment rate study prepared by heirs and [00:28:45] associates, adopting the methodology for apportioning stormwater assessments set [00:28:49] forth therein, providing for the imposition of stormwater assessments within the [00:28:53] entire area of the city, estimating the service cost to provide stormwater [00:28:56] related essential services, facilities, equipment, and improvements, directing [00:29:00] the city manager to prepare a preliminary stormwater assessment roll for the fiscal [00:29:05] year commencing October 1, 2017, establishing a public hearing to consider [00:29:09] imposition of stormwater assessments, directing the provision of notice in [00:29:13] connection therewith, and providing for an effective date. [00:29:16] Thank you. [00:29:16] Ms. Vance, any? [00:29:18] Yes, sir. [00:29:18] Mr. [00:29:19] Mayor, we are asking that you pass this resolution this evening. [00:29:23] It is an initial assessment resolution. [00:29:26] It will be followed by a public hearing to consider the stormwater assessments. [00:29:34] And we will, following your public hearing, we will bring back to you final resolutions. [00:29:40] Thank you. [00:29:40] Open this up for public comment. [00:29:43] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:29:47] Move for approval. [00:29:50] We have a motion. [00:29:52] Second. [00:29:52] And a second to the magazine. [00:29:54] Second. [00:29:56] Mr. [00:29:57] Bella-Thomas. [00:29:58] No, thank you. [00:29:59] Mr. [00:29:59] Phillips. [00:30:00] I'm fine, Mayor. Thank you. If there's no further discussion, all those in favor, [00:30:03] please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Motion passes. Next is [00:30:09] resolution number 2017-22. Resolution number 2017-22, a resolution of the City [00:30:15] Council of New Port Richey, Florida relating to the annual funding of [00:30:18] street lighting services in the city through the imposition of special [00:30:21] assessments. Approving the street lighting assessment rate study prepared [00:30:24] by Ayres Associates, adopting the methodology for apportioning street [00:30:28] lighting assessments set forth therein. Providing for the imposition of street [00:30:31] lighting assessments within the entire area of the city. Estimating the surface [00:30:35] cost to provide street lighting related essential services, facilities, equipment, [00:30:39] and improvements. Directing the city manager to prepare a preliminary street [00:30:42] lighting assessment role for the fiscal year commencing October 1, 2017. [00:30:46] Establishing a public hearing to consider imposition of the street [00:30:49] lighting assessments. Directing the provision of notice and connection [00:30:52] therewith, and providing an effective date. The rate studies used to support [00:31:00] the current assessment rates for street lighting assessments were presented to [00:31:04] you in June. The rate studies did include a change for the methodology on the [00:31:10] assessment. We are asking this evening that you approve resolution number [00:31:17] 1722, which is again an initial assessment resolution. The methodology is [00:31:24] the same as it is with the stormwater, by which we will conduct a public hearing [00:31:30] and follow up at a subsequent meeting with a final resolution on the [00:31:35] assessments. Thank you. Open it up for public comment. Seeing no one come [00:31:40] forward, bring it back to council. Move for approval. Second. To the maker. To the second. [00:31:46] Mr. Valdez. Thank you. I think we had discussed this at the last time we shared this information. [00:31:54] Councilman Phillips. Yeah, Mr. Manns, I just, as we finish through the budget process, with the lighting, [00:32:02] especially this year, we had some, I want to make sure that all the dark areas that [00:32:10] the Duke studies purported out, that's covered. Also want to make sure that in [00:32:15] both the accounts with stormwater and on street lights, if there is any [00:32:22] rollover fund, any rollover dollars in those, I'd like to have those identified [00:32:27] as we come into the end of our budget process. Because this is much like a, on a [00:32:35] user fee, much like the penny for Pasco, the money is collected. I'd like for it [00:32:40] to be used so much in that calendar year as possible, or in the physical year, so [00:32:46] that we don't have any large carryovers, so that people understand that the money [00:32:50] that we're collecting is being reinvested right away to take care of [00:32:54] these issues in both of those departments. I understand the direction [00:32:58] and I'll make sure that that's the case. Thank you. And I mentioned it during [00:33:01] communications and reports at our last meeting, but I'll remind staff we do have [00:33:06] a dark area in the vicinity of the corner of Jefferson and Central that I [00:33:10] had a citizen complaint about. So if we could make sure that's on the list of

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    Proposed Pavement Management Plan

    discussed

    Staff and consultant David Fleeman of Genesys presented a revised Pavement Management Plan developed with a Citizens Advisory Committee, proposing simplified residential ($85/year) and tiered non-residential assessments plus arterial/collector classifications, with credits for prior project participants and alley exclusions. Council provided direction on concerns including treatment of mixed-use/multi-family properties (e.g., Main Street Landings), adding a council-level appeal step beyond the city manager, and confirming no additional per-project assessments would apply. No formal vote was taken; staff was directed to refine and return.

    • direction:Council directed staff to work with the property appraiser to ensure mixed-use/multi-family projects are coded so per-unit residential assessments apply rather than only square-footage-based commercial assessments. (none)
    • direction:Council directed that the appeal process include a final step allowing appeals to the City Council after the City Manager's decision. (none)

    📍Circle Boulevard📍Colonial Drive📍Forest Avenue from Massachusetts to Indiana Avenue📍Indiana Avenue from Madison Street to Congress Street📍US-19📍Van Buren Street from Main Street to Massachusetts Avenue🏢Genesys🏢Main Street Landings🏢Residences at Orange Lake👤David Fleeman👤Mrs. Feast👤Ms. Manns👤Robert Rivera👤Scharkey#20-year pavement life cycle credit#Alley exclusion from plan#Arterial/Collector vs. Local roadway classification#Board of Equalization#Citizens Advisory Committee#ITE manual classifications#Local Option Gas Tax#Pavement Management Plan#Roadway Needs Assessment (December 2014)

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    [00:33:14] places you guys check as we go forward. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all [00:33:21] those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Motion passes. Next is [00:33:27] the proposed pavement management plan. Ms. Manns. Mr. Mayor, this is a subject that [00:33:35] isn't new to any of us. We've been studying this matter since December of [00:33:40] 14, at which time we conducted a roadway needs assessment, in large part the [00:33:46] purpose of which was to advance road maintenance as a priority and to [00:33:51] determine a fair and equitable method by which to spread the costs. In that [00:33:58] regard, we were also interested in prioritizing roadway maintenance [00:34:04] improvement projects. The city staff brought to you a recommendation and at [00:34:14] the conclusion of our recommendation, and that occurred on June 20th of 2017, [00:34:26] it was determined that the staff's recommendation might not represent all [00:34:34] of the variables that needed to be considered in the development of a [00:34:41] pavement management plan. So Mr. Rivera convened a citizens advisory committee [00:34:49] to work with. He and principally Mrs. Feast worked along with David Fleeman of [00:34:58] Genesis, who is here this evening, and I'm going to, at this point, turn it over to [00:35:03] Robert so that he can bring you up to date on what occurred. And Mr. Fleeman [00:35:07] has a PowerPoint presentation as well. Sure, at that June 20th meeting, Council [00:35:13] and several residents had some input and wanted us to take a look at some of the [00:35:18] items attached in that memo. There were six of them that we had got the [00:35:23] directive from. The first one was to review the possibility of adding a [00:35:27] multi-use category, review the possibility of adding tier sizes in 5,000 [00:35:32] increments to address the multi-use category, review the proposed church [00:35:38] classification and non-profits, and submit to the city an appropriate [00:35:42] classification or appropriate way to be able to incorporate those. Review the [00:35:48] possibility of reclassifying Indiana Avenue from Madison Street to Congress [00:35:52] Street into an arterial collector road, and then review the possibility of [00:35:59] reclassifying Van Buren Street from Main Street to Massachusetts Avenue as [00:36:04] an arterial collector road, and then finally reviewing the possibility of [00:36:09] reclassifying Forest Avenue from Massachusetts to Indiana Avenue as an [00:36:15] arterial collector road. With that, David Fleeman and I got together, reviewed [00:36:22] all of these items, and then went ahead and incorporated them into the plan. And [00:36:27] so at this time, I'll introduce David to present the plan to you. [00:36:47] Good evening. I trust this won't be quite as painful as the sanitary sewer [00:36:50] presentation that you referenced, for both our sakes. So it's going to flow [00:36:55] downhill instead of uphill? Correct. I just want to make sure. Thanks. Good evening. [00:37:00] My name is David Fleeman. I'm with Genesys, and I come back this evening to [00:37:06] update you on the pavement management plan since we last spoke. To give you a [00:37:11] little summary of the objectives of the report, we wanted to review the [00:37:18] methodology that was utilized previously by the city for street improvement [00:37:23] projects, collect input from the Citizens Advisory Committee, and develop [00:37:28] a sustainable program that will provide roadway maintenance for the roadway [00:37:33] network in the future that's sustainable. [00:37:40] Historically, just to provide some context, there have been 12 paving [00:37:45] projects within the last 30 years. The funding allocated, defined by the Board [00:37:51] of Equalization, was done on a per project basis, and that funding varied [00:37:56] from project to project. In some recent projects, like Circle Boulevard, the city [00:38:00] paid 100% of the construction costs. The project that was done in 2009 varied in [00:38:09] some, depending on what category you were in, 65% of the cost of [00:38:14] construction was paid by the city. So over the course of time, the Board of [00:38:20] Equalization has varied from project to project, and that has created, in the [00:38:26] Citizens Advisory Committee's mind, a little bit of inequality over time. So [00:38:35] part of the goal of this new plan was to develop something that was a little more [00:38:41] consistent and could be applied over a long period of time equally across all [00:38:48] the citizens of the city. Citizens Advisory Committee met five times to [00:38:59] discuss the historical projects, as well as the proposed pavement management [00:39:04] plan, and some of the directives that were developed during those meetings [00:39:08] were, they really wanted to simplify the methodology using the ITE manual with [00:39:13] dozens of different categories, just seemed a little too complex for them. [00:39:18] They wanted something that was very easy to understand, easy to digest, easy to [00:39:22] explain to other people. They didn't want overly burdened neighborhood businesses, [00:39:26] and they wanted to consider the city as an interconnected network of roadways, so [00:39:33] it's no longer just my road in front of my house. In order to get anywhere from [00:39:39] your house, you have to leave that segment of roadway and drive [00:39:42] across other people's segments of roadway in order to get to a destination. [00:39:47] So to try to get rid of the thought of the roadway that I care about is only in [00:39:54] front of my property line, and to start thinking about the city as a whole. [00:40:05] So as I mentioned before, the multiple ITE codes were done away with and [00:40:12] replaced with two different designations, one being residential and the second [00:40:17] being non-residential building parcels. One of the items that we incorporated [00:40:24] subsequent to our last work session was the non-residential component was [00:40:29] then subdivided into four different subcategories. So you have small [00:40:34] non-residential, less than 5,000 square feet, and then 5,000 to 10,000, 10 to 25, [00:40:40] and then 25 and above. The non-residential uses include mixed-use properties, [00:40:49] non-profit uses, retail, commercial, office, warehouses, and the reason that the [00:40:55] non-profits and the, because we spoke about these specifically last time, the [00:40:59] non-profits and the mixed-use properties were lumped in with non-residential is [00:41:03] the data set that we're using for this is the property appraiser data set, and [00:41:08] they don't maintain any data about how the property is being used, let alone [00:41:16] how it's being, who owns it as far as whether or not they're a non-profit, and [00:41:22] we could foresee challenges where maybe a non-profit was renting a space inside [00:41:28] of a larger commercial space, and it became a challenge where the data [00:41:34] just doesn't exist in order, in a readily identifiable way in order to [00:41:42] identify out mixed-use pieces other than lumping them in as non-residential and [00:41:51] non-profits. The roadway network is proposed to be divided into two pieces, [00:42:00] two classifications, the arterial collector classification and the local [00:42:06] roadway classification. The arterial collector, as you can see on the on the [00:42:12] chart on the overhead, to the left of the curve you have freeways, expressways, [00:42:20] arterials, these are all roads that have connections from point to point to other [00:42:25] arterials and collectors as well as they have limited access and higher speed [00:42:31] roadways that that take you to a final destination like your home, for example, [00:42:36] are on local roads. They usually encourage lower speeds, they're smaller [00:42:41] roads, they have cul-de-sacs and so forth. [00:42:51] Using that methodology, the map that's on display here is the arterial [00:43:00] collector roads that have been identified in the city, and as Mr. [00:43:05] Rivera indicated, we have added Van Buren and Indiana to the list of [00:43:19] arterial collectors since we last met. [00:43:23] For the arterial collector assessment, the annual maintenance cost was [00:43:32] determined to be 1 20th of the opinion and probable maintenance cost for the [00:43:36] entire network. So once we established the main annual maintenance cost, then we [00:43:45] deducted $200,000 that was to be funded by the city from local option gas tax, [00:43:51] and then the balance would be raised by assessing every parcel in the city [00:43:57] because every parcel in the city relies on the collector and arterial roads in [00:44:02] order to navigate to the destination. So residential dwellings were established [00:44:06] at $15 a year and the non-residential uses share the difference. And in that [00:44:12] tiered category we mentioned earlier, it ranges from $104.05 [00:44:17] for a non-residential use less than 5,000 square feet up to $416.19 [00:44:22] for a parcel that has a building in excess of 25,000 square feet. [00:44:28] Do we have a number count? I don't see anything in the report that [00:44:36] equates number of units that would qualify in each one of these [00:44:41] categories? I do. There are 46 parcels greater than 25,000. And that would be [00:44:51] like apartment complexes or shopping centers or something in that case? Is [00:44:59] that the Q&A? [00:45:00] Relative square footage that you will use for that? [00:45:03] Apartment complexes are designated as residential. [00:45:06] So the number of units is identified [00:45:10] on the property appraiser's website. [00:45:12] So they were captured in the residential side [00:45:15] of the equation. [00:45:17] Large commercial parcels like shopping centers [00:45:23] are what's captured in the, or warehouses [00:45:26] would be captured in the greater than 25,000. [00:45:29] Same thing with hotels or, I'm not trying to get, [00:45:35] I'm just trying to make sure that I understand [00:45:39] the square footage and how it captures in [00:45:42] because obviously we've got the gas tax dollars [00:45:46] and then the remainder that makes up [00:45:48] that first category of funds, which I believe is $425,000. [00:45:53] I'm just trying to understand how we get to that, so. [00:45:58] Mr. Fleeman, could you go a little more in depth [00:46:00] as far as apartment complexes go? [00:46:02] Like, if I own an apartment complex with, say, [00:46:05] 50 apartments, my tenants aren't paying this tax. [00:46:07] They're renting the apartment. [00:46:08] So how is the apartment owner gonna be assessed? [00:46:11] The apartment owner can get assessed, [00:46:14] in this specific example, $70 per dwelling unit [00:46:21] per apartment because the number of apartments [00:46:24] is identified in the property appraiser's website. [00:46:27] And that's one of the categories, [00:46:29] or one of the land use categories [00:46:31] of the designated residential. [00:46:36] So case in point, moving forward, [00:46:40] they're not constructed today, but at foreseeable future, [00:46:45] 88 units in Main Street landings, [00:46:49] 40 plus units in the central, it's now called, [00:46:55] or the residents at Orange Lake, [00:46:57] they would pay the residential cost of $70 per unit annually [00:47:02] for their impact, or the owner of the property. [00:47:08] My understanding is that the landings [00:47:10] is going to be a mixed use project. [00:47:13] Yeah, there is some down, and they have [00:47:15] convertible opportunity on the first floor, [00:47:18] but the 88 units, that will be, [00:47:24] multi, that will be apartments, [00:47:27] so that is an expense, correct? [00:47:30] In some of the other mixed use parcels [00:47:32] inside the county that I checked, [00:47:35] they were not categorized, the property appraiser [00:47:38] did not identify them as residential, [00:47:40] they were categorized as commercial, [00:47:44] and the number of units was not identified [00:47:45] in their data set. [00:47:48] So on the landings example, if the property appraiser [00:47:53] treats that the way they've treated other ones, [00:47:55] then the landings would be captured as a non-residential, [00:48:00] and it would be assessed based on the square footage. [00:48:04] The entire building, or just the retail downstairs? [00:48:07] The entire building. [00:48:12] Do you work with that, with the county? [00:48:16] Yes, we certainly can, and there are opportunities [00:48:20] where there are questions of interpretation, [00:48:23] there is a provision in the plan [00:48:26] where the city manager can work along with it, [00:48:30] with an applicant to address those specific scenarios. [00:48:37] Well, are you working with the property appraiser? [00:48:40] It would not be fair if we treat them [00:48:42] just as a large commercial, as opposed to the fact [00:48:47] that they've got 80 something units. [00:48:48] We're talking $5,600 compared to like $400 a year. [00:48:53] Plus you're talking anywhere between 130 and 150, [00:48:59] 160 people, I'm not saying they all drive, [00:49:04] but let's say 80% of them drive, [00:49:07] and they're impacting not only their local road [00:49:11] around their project, but also the arterial. [00:49:15] So, what I'm trying to set up is, [00:49:20] I don't want that to be a negotiating element [00:49:23] with my economic development projects moving forward [00:49:27] as a giveaway, because I don't care in year one, [00:49:32] or year 10, those people are impacting the roads [00:49:37] until the job base is more clustered, [00:49:40] they're gonna be impacting that roadway every day. [00:49:44] So, I don't want to set up a category where, [00:49:49] I'm just trying to be fair and equitable to the residents, [00:49:53] and then you've got a calculated factor [00:49:56] for people that have already paid for the roads, [00:49:59] which I know you'll get to, so thanks. [00:50:02] I think the key there is to work with the property appraiser [00:50:04] and get that coded in a fashion that the data, [00:50:10] I'll say minor, that is manipulating, [00:50:13] extracting that data out of the data set [00:50:16] can reach that conclusion, can pull that data out. [00:50:19] It should be coded when it's in the development stage. [00:50:23] It should start as soon as they come in [00:50:24] to put their plan in front of the city [00:50:27] and the development, how you classify it. [00:50:32] When they come in, it's kind of like, [00:50:35] if it's a duck, it's a duck, it's a duck. [00:50:38] I want to make sure that, because if it gets classified, [00:50:42] then they're gonna fall back and say, [00:50:43] well, when I came into the city and the development side, [00:50:46] they classified me as X, [00:50:48] and then we're gonna have that football. [00:50:50] So if it's a multi, if it's Main Street landings, [00:50:56] originally it was gonna be condominiums, [00:50:58] which would have been a different element. [00:51:01] Now it's 88 apartments with commercial on the bottom. [00:51:05] So it's all about implementing it [00:51:09] the right way out of the gate, [00:51:12] and some of that comes when they come in [00:51:14] to ask for their first development review [00:51:16] to make sure it's categorized correctly. [00:51:19] And then, are you with me, Mr. Scharkey? [00:51:22] Absolutely, I mean, I have a huge issue [00:51:25] with categorizing the multi-usage [00:51:27] based on the square footage of the building. [00:51:29] When they have 80 units, the people, [00:51:30] the majority of them are gonna be driving, [00:51:33] just because the county has it classified like that. [00:51:34] Whether it's condos or apartments, [00:51:36] they were gonna have retail downstairs from day one, [00:51:39] and that's, out of everything I've seen and read, [00:51:42] it's the only huge issue I really have. [00:51:43] You're talking a difference of over $4,000 a year [00:51:48] in assessment fees. [00:51:52] So we'll make note of that as we're moving forward. [00:51:54] Go ahead and proceed. [00:51:56] All right, so the summary of the fees [00:52:11] for single-family residents is $15 [00:52:15] for the arterial collector component, [00:52:17] and $70 for the local road component, [00:52:20] for a grand total of $85. [00:52:23] On the right-hand side of the screen, [00:52:24] you can see the various sub-categorizations [00:52:27] of non-residential, with a fee total [00:52:32] that ranges from $219.50 up to $878. [00:52:38] And it should be noted that if a parcel [00:52:42] does not physically touch, [00:52:44] is not contiguous to a local road, [00:52:46] it would only pay for the arterial collector component, [00:52:52] which was one of the concerns [00:52:53] that the Citizens Advisory Committee had, [00:52:56] was they wanted provisions for parcels. [00:53:00] Let's say, for example, if you were on US-19 [00:53:03] on a state road, they didn't feel as though [00:53:06] they should be contributing to the local roads [00:53:10] that are not an integral part [00:53:14] of conveying people to and from their businesses. [00:53:19] We addressed that as well, though. [00:53:21] I thought in the last meeting [00:53:23] that people are still using, [00:53:25] people who live in downtown Newport, [00:53:26] you're still using our roads to get to US-19 [00:53:29] to the Southgate, for example. [00:53:30] So I understand that argument, but I don't agree with it. [00:53:44] Then the exemption and appeal process [00:53:47] is similar as was discussed previously. [00:53:50] The city manager would have the ability [00:53:53] to review the methodology application [00:53:56] and not the methodology itself. [00:54:02] And the final element was providing a credit [00:54:09] for people that had participated [00:54:12] in prior street improvement projects. [00:54:17] And that's based on a formula [00:54:19] that utilizes the estimated life cycle [00:54:24] of a street project of being 20 years, [00:54:27] is the industry standard life cycle of a pavement. [00:54:33] So the cost that they paid would be prorated [00:54:37] for whatever unused life is left in that pavement today [00:54:42] when this program starts, [00:54:44] and they would be effectively credited that, [00:54:47] and that would be applied to their account as a credit [00:54:52] so that everyone would be par when this program started. [00:54:56] And if you participated in a prior program, [00:54:58] you'd get credit for that. [00:54:59] There's not a lot of examples [00:55:00] if we've only done 12 projects in the last 30 years. [00:55:06] Am I overstating it? [00:55:09] I believe the most recent one was 2009. [00:55:13] Right. [00:55:15] 2009 would be 11 years. [00:55:18] Yeah. [00:55:19] The only other thing I have is that the appeal process [00:55:23] to the city manager's fine. [00:55:25] I just think there still needs to be one step further [00:55:29] if they're still unhappy that there's a process [00:55:33] to come to us. [00:55:35] Because, you know, at the end of the day, [00:55:41] we set policy, and we have to sit [00:55:45] as a board of equalization. [00:55:46] We have to do quasi-judicial, all those kind of things. [00:55:51] And, you know, Ms. Manns is here [00:55:56] until Ms. Manns is not here. [00:55:58] The next person that comes in, [00:55:59] and we've had really good city managers, [00:56:05] and we've had really bad, bad, bad city managers. [00:56:11] And, you know, if somebody feels [00:56:14] they're being unduly judged, [00:56:18] at the end of the day, we get paid, you know, [00:56:22] $300 a month, or 277.05 after taxes, [00:56:26] except for the mayor, to sit as a board. [00:56:30] And I appreciate the level it goes through, [00:56:33] but at the end of the day, if they're still unhappy, [00:56:36] I still think they need a place to come. [00:56:39] We get all the facts, and you've seen, [00:56:43] over the last 30 years, the inadequacy [00:56:47] and the ability for, to fill the room, [00:56:52] and all of a sudden, the city's eating 80% of that cost [00:56:57] instead of splitting it with the homeowners on that street. [00:57:02] So, there won't be, I don't think there'll be that many, [00:57:05] but I do still think that, at the end of the day, [00:57:09] there is one final step, and that's the city council. [00:57:13] And collectively, as five people, [00:57:14] we can take the same information that the manager gets [00:57:17] after his or her decision, [00:57:20] and then collectively make a decision. [00:57:24] So, that's my personal opinion, [00:57:27] due to the fact that I want some, you know, [00:57:30] because there are constituents [00:57:35] so I just, that's a thing that I'm concerned about. [00:57:40] The only other question I had [00:57:42] is with the fee structure that's in place, [00:57:46] if a project is done on somebody's street, [00:57:51] is there still gonna be an assessment back [00:57:54] for the remainder of any balance for that local road, [00:57:58] not the arterial, but the local road? [00:58:02] Say, for example, I live on Colonial Drive, [00:58:06] and I'm paying my fee, and they decide [00:58:08] that they're gonna redo Colonial Drive, [00:58:11] and there's 80, 75 residents that are on that road. [00:58:17] After we put everything in place, [00:58:18] is there still gonna be an incremental charge [00:58:21] back to the homeowner on that street? [00:58:24] That was the only thing I just wasn't clear about. [00:58:26] In addition to this? [00:58:27] Yes. No. [00:58:29] So, because that's what I want to make people [00:58:31] kind of understand, that the Citizens Advisory Council [00:58:36] went through a lot of steps. [00:58:38] Right. [00:58:38] We're trying to dovetail five different revenue sources [00:58:43] so that we don't get into that element that we've had, [00:58:48] identifying the major arterial roads, [00:58:51] but then as we do the other roads, [00:58:55] that there won't be that plus another $200 a year charge [00:59:00] that's taken over a eight or 10 year time frame [00:59:04] with an interest carry. [00:59:05] So I'm just, I'm trying to make, I'm trying, [00:59:08] The goal of the Citizens Advisory Committee [00:59:10] was to do away with that, and to have something [00:59:13] that people could budget for, and that was predictable, [00:59:16] and not have a lump sum surprise, so to speak. [00:59:20] Well, because that's what happened a year ago [00:59:22] when we tried to roll the plan out, we couldn't explain it. [00:59:27] We couldn't give them rationale, which has been done [00:59:31] with the help of the advisory committee, [00:59:33] and I appreciate all of their input, [00:59:35] because obviously getting to a set revenue stream [00:59:38] is important. [00:59:40] It also allows us to have that dedicated [00:59:43] in case you can fast track with that and other funds [00:59:48] to catch up a little bit from the 30 years [00:59:53] of what hasn't been done. [00:59:54] So it's a lot of subjects in one, [00:59:56] but I'm just trying to make sure [00:59:58] that people don't think it's. [01:00:00] No dollars here and others. [01:00:02] And I'll speak to a couple other points later. [01:00:04] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [01:00:04] Thank you. [01:00:06] Anything? [01:00:08] The last slide was in regards to alleys. [01:00:11] And the committee agreed that alleys are very, [01:00:17] there's a special circumstance. [01:00:19] And they wanted to be excluded from the pavement management [01:00:22] plan completely. [01:00:23] And partly because there's no consensus [01:00:26] amongst the actual homeowners as to whether or not [01:00:28] they want them paved or not paved. [01:00:31] Some homeowners don't want the traffic behind their house, [01:00:34] and they like them unpaved. [01:00:35] Other homeowners don't like the dust, and they want them paved. [01:00:40] So the conclusion was that we believe an alley improvement [01:00:44] policy and guideline criteria manual [01:00:47] needs to be created at some point in the future [01:00:49] to address future alley improvement requests. [01:00:52] That's the best thing that you did. [01:00:55] It really is. [01:00:56] Because everybody that has an alley, [01:00:59] people that don't have them, I don't [01:01:01] have an alley behind my house over in the Riverside area. [01:01:04] And you're paving an alley with dollars, [01:01:07] and it's really not to the benefit of anyone else [01:01:13] except for that property owner. [01:01:16] I think some of the alleyways are [01:01:18] going to need to be addressed because of safety concerns [01:01:22] and risk tolerances and all that. [01:01:25] But I'm willing to have that dealt with as a separate animal [01:01:29] unto itself. [01:01:31] Because I went on a motorized gator tour [01:01:36] with the chief and the manager one summer afternoon [01:01:39] through a majority of the alleyways, [01:01:42] and you correctly assess it. [01:01:46] There is a monumental difference between one and the other. [01:01:52] My other is I appreciated the illustration of the front [01:01:56] cover showing Madison, that roadway. [01:02:00] But I have to thank you for the map [01:02:05] that you provided on the back with the collector [01:02:10] roads and the other stuff. [01:02:12] It is by far the best map that I've [01:02:16] seen in 25 years that shows how convoluted our borders are. [01:02:25] It's one of the few things that you [01:02:27] can use as an illustration piece, [01:02:29] whether it's to hand it to someone [01:02:31] or to put it on a big screen and to actually see what's [01:02:37] in the city and what's not in the city. [01:02:40] So I want to thank you for that as a tool, [01:02:44] not only for this pavement plan, [01:02:47] but that can be utilized for the annexation plan, [01:02:51] can be utilized for utility services, [01:02:55] all those kind of things. [01:02:58] Most people will tell you that I drill pretty hard on all [01:03:01] these things, and usually there's not [01:03:03] a lot of kudos, unfortunately. [01:03:05] But I have to tell you that this is by far very, very well done. [01:03:10] Thank you. [01:03:12] And with that, you're done? [01:03:15] That concludes my presentation. [01:03:16] In which case, I will open it up for public comment [01:03:19] if anybody in the audience wishes [01:03:21] to address council on this pavement management plan. [01:03:30] If you could give us your name and address for the record, [01:03:32] please. [01:03:33] Thank you, Mr. Fleeman. [01:03:34] Good job. [01:03:34] Yes, thank you. [01:03:36] Thank you. [01:03:42] I'm Lisa Tinker. [01:03:43] I live at 7017 Park Drive. [01:03:47] My only comment would be, this is another tax. [01:03:53] You want it for 20 years. [01:03:55] We know it's not going away. [01:03:57] I don't want it to be like the Florida lottery. [01:03:59] We voted the Florida lottery and we [01:04:00] gave all this money to the schools. [01:04:02] Then they took the money they were giving the schools [01:04:05] back. [01:04:05] So the money that you're donating, [01:04:08] or donating, our tax dollars, the gas tax, [01:04:10] everything you're using towards the roads right now, [01:04:13] I'd like some sort of guarantee that that's going to stay there. [01:04:17] Not, OK, next year you annexed another three miles. [01:04:20] Now you have all this extra money. [01:04:21] We're going to take this other money back, [01:04:23] rather than saying, OK, we have enough now. [01:04:26] We don't have to tax you quite as much. [01:04:28] That's my only request. [01:04:29] I think I can address that on behalf of the council. [01:04:33] The Pasco County Commission, in its infinite wisdom [01:04:38] two years ago, changed the allocation methodology [01:04:44] for the gas tax. [01:04:46] And not surprisingly, they changed it [01:04:49] for their own benefit. [01:04:51] And if we don't spend money on roads in one year, [01:04:57] we don't get the gas tax money the next. [01:05:00] And that's part of what made it imperative [01:05:04] for the citizens of New Port Richey [01:05:05] to get the benefit of their share of the gasoline tax. [01:05:08] We need to get this on an annual basis, [01:05:10] so that we've got a regular annual process of roads [01:05:14] getting built. Additionally, there's [01:05:16] some money in the penny for Pasco. [01:05:19] And I'll defer to Councilman Phillips for the specifics, [01:05:22] because I don't recall the exact percentage of that. [01:05:25] But all of that needs to get used. [01:05:28] And it is very much a designated fund. [01:05:31] You can't just take money out of the gas tax, [01:05:35] or out of the penny for Pasco allocation for the roads, [01:05:41] or from the assessments, and then [01:05:44] go spend it on the police department or something else. [01:05:47] I'll make sure those assurances are there, [01:05:49] because it's a tax that goes up and up. [01:05:50] Mr. Tinker, I think I've got a solution that will hopefully [01:05:56] give you some comfort in some ways, [01:06:00] to know that when the dollars are collected, [01:06:04] I would be recommending that this [01:06:05] would be put in ordinance form, and not in a resolution. [01:06:09] Because when we put it in ordinance, [01:06:11] it goes in conjunction with our city charter. [01:06:14] And it takes somewhat of a super majority to change that. [01:06:19] So if we've got allocations, I would [01:06:23] like for that to be a serious consideration of ours. [01:06:26] And on top of that, I think staff, [01:06:30] as I've already alluded to this, but I [01:06:34] expect to utilize this in a way to also drive down [01:06:40] the ad valorem rate that we've put into place this year. [01:06:44] But I want to make sure that you have peace of mind. [01:06:48] That's the same reason that we did with the stormwater [01:06:53] and with the lighting. [01:06:55] We made sure that when those dollars were collected, [01:06:58] they went directly back for those two purposes. [01:07:01] And I think over the last five years, or 10, [01:07:03] but mainly the last five, you can [01:07:05] see where those dollars have been really [01:07:07] reinvested in the city. [01:07:08] But I really appreciate, but I really [01:07:11] think that we need to make sure that folks know that, as you [01:07:14] said, it's not an added tax. [01:07:16] And then we come and do something else. [01:07:17] I appreciate your point. [01:07:20] Like you said about the city manager, [01:07:22] no offense to Debbie intended, but they come and go. [01:07:24] You guys come and go. [01:07:26] The next city council may sit down and say, [01:07:28] hey, we got this money. [01:07:29] Let's put it over here, and then you [01:07:30] don't have enough to fix my street. [01:07:33] You know, if we have to pay this money, [01:07:36] I want it to go at some point in the next 20 years. [01:07:39] It'll probably be 20 years from now I get my road paved. [01:07:42] Because it's still really nice. [01:07:43] But anyway, thank you. [01:07:44] Thank you. [01:07:45] Anyone else? [01:07:48] Seeing no one else come forward, bring it back to council. [01:07:50] Move for approval. [01:07:52] We have a motion. [01:07:54] May I ask a question? [01:07:55] What exactly are we approving? [01:07:56] You just said you might want to do an ordinance. [01:07:58] Aren't we just approving the methodology, [01:08:00] and then we're going to determine how [01:08:00] to roll it out at this point? [01:08:02] I believe. [01:08:02] The pavement management plan is what we're approving. [01:08:04] I believe. [01:08:05] Oh, yeah. [01:08:06] Yeah. [01:08:07] Mr. Phillips? [01:08:08] No, I've made my points, Mayor. [01:08:11] Thank you. [01:08:11] Thank you, Mayor. [01:08:12] Sure, a couple more points. [01:08:14] The points I made earlier, I won't reiterate. [01:08:16] I do agree with Councilman Phillips. [01:08:17] I think if a resident comes to the city manager [01:08:20] with an issue with this and wants a word I'm looking for. [01:08:27] Relief. [01:08:28] Relief. [01:08:30] And the city manager doesn't agree with that resident, [01:08:32] I think that resident should have the right [01:08:34] to come before council. [01:08:35] They come for us if they want a stop sign. [01:08:37] They come for us for a lot of reasons. [01:08:38] So I agree with that. [01:08:41] Thank you to Genesis and Mr. Fleeman [01:08:44] and to our Citizens Advisory Committee. [01:08:46] When we rolled this out, we rolled it out much too fast. [01:08:49] It was not organized. [01:08:51] It was extremely complicated. [01:08:52] It did not address very, very valid issues. [01:08:57] And by having those meetings with the Citizens Advisory [01:09:00] Board, they've done just that. [01:09:04] And you were able to take, with their help, in my opinion, [01:09:07] a very, very complicated plan and simplified it [01:09:11] where it's easier for us to explain to our constituents [01:09:13] as well. [01:09:14] I'm an insurance guy. [01:09:15] I'm a third generation insurance agent. [01:09:18] I believe in spreading the risk. [01:09:19] And this does just that. [01:09:21] It spreads the cost, not the risk. [01:09:23] And I think it's the best way forward. [01:09:25] One thing, one of the numerous things [01:09:28] I've learned when I took this job is, like Ms. Tinker said, [01:09:32] we may not be up here, but when you take this job, [01:09:35] you assume all the consequences of decisions [01:09:37] that have been made by previous councils. [01:09:40] And one of those decisions, in my opinion, that wasn't made [01:09:44] is we've neglected our roads. [01:09:45] We've done a very, very, very poor job. [01:09:48] I agree with you, it is an extra tax. [01:09:50] I'm not trying to hide that. [01:09:51] We're asking the residents for more money. [01:09:53] But it is much needed and far, far overdue. [01:09:56] And I think it's about the best we're going to be able to do. [01:10:01] This was one of the big issues in the course of my re-election [01:10:06] campaign. [01:10:07] And there are a lot of people very unhappy [01:10:10] with the condition of the residential streets. [01:10:12] And this gives us an opportunity to address [01:10:17] those concerns, which I think are very valid. [01:10:22] When we come back in final ordinance form for this, [01:10:27] I've heard now two of my colleagues [01:10:29] talking about the mixed use thing. [01:10:31] And I agree completely with the Deputy Mayor. [01:10:36] We have got to figure a way that if we've [01:10:38] got a mixed use building that's part residential, part [01:10:41] commercial, that the commercial gets charged like commercial. [01:10:44] But the residential units, if there's 80 residential units, [01:10:47] we need to take that into account. [01:10:50] I disagree with the recommendation that [01:10:55] came out originally suggesting that businesses on arterials [01:10:59] have no responsibility for the local. [01:11:01] I would, again, as the Deputy Mayor indicated, [01:11:05] I would very much believe that they [01:11:09] need to be paying for their share of the local and collectors. [01:11:13] And I agree with several people who [01:11:15] said the same thing about the appeals. [01:11:18] If they talk to you and don't like it, [01:11:20] they should have a final redress in front of council.

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    Council discussed the appeal process for fire assessment classifications, noting that appeals are limited to property classification errors at the county level. Discussion also raised concerns about mixed-use properties (referencing Orange Lake and Main Street Landings) and how alley maintenance situations would be handled, with staff indicating a guideline program would be presented at a future work session.

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    [01:11:25] Councilman Davis? [01:11:27] Let me just speak to this appeal. [01:11:33] Really, the only thing they can appeal, [01:11:35] if I'm reading this right, is that if you're residential [01:11:39] or you're multi-use or you're commercial. [01:11:42] Is that right? [01:11:43] So that's pretty much going to be decided at the county level. [01:11:47] So I don't really see when people can come here and really [01:11:52] do anything, appeal anything. [01:11:55] I want to say this out loud, because that's what I understand. [01:11:58] Is that correct? [01:12:00] Is that the? [01:12:02] Yes, it's just the classification [01:12:04] that they're placed in. [01:12:05] But there could be an error in the county property appraiser's [01:12:08] record or something along those lines [01:12:10] that they could present evidence to show [01:12:12] that they are misclassified. [01:12:14] And so then they can be reclassified. [01:12:16] Can we identify that they're classified incorrectly? [01:12:21] Correct. [01:12:22] So it becomes. [01:12:23] And they would have to establish that. [01:12:24] They would have to prove that. [01:12:26] We start with the presumption that the property appraiser [01:12:28] records are correct. [01:12:31] I don't expect to ever see anybody here. [01:12:33] Maybe not, but we'd give them the right to do what they want, [01:12:36] I guess. [01:12:37] And I'll approve this, but I'm not [01:12:41] going any further without this mixed use taken care of. [01:12:47] Because we have two big units on Congress. [01:12:50] We're going to have Orange Lake, and then all of a sudden, [01:12:53] we're going to get a break on Main Street landings. [01:12:55] That isn't happening. [01:12:57] Exactly. [01:12:58] Councilwoman? [01:12:59] Yeah, one thing, though, I see we're [01:13:01] kind of kicking down the road, and that's the alley situation. [01:13:04] I have had at least five people who [01:13:06] have alleys behind their homes question what's going to happen. [01:13:11] So I'm wondering if we need to explore some options with that. [01:13:17] Will it be kind of like the way the reclaimed water is? [01:13:20] Everybody on the block's going to have [01:13:21] one way or the other. [01:13:23] How are we going to address that piece of it? [01:13:25] I expect that's exactly what's going to happen. [01:13:28] Mr. Rivera? [01:13:29] We're going to do something like that, what you're talking about. [01:13:33] We're going to start working on those guideline programs [01:13:36] as soon as we finish with this. [01:13:38] And we'll probably present a guideline program to you [01:13:41] all at a work session at a later date. [01:13:44] But I would think that that's going [01:13:45] to be a priority, that we should be [01:13:47] able to present something to you before the new year begins. [01:13:51] I'd be curious to know how many streets in our community [01:13:57] have that issue, the alleys. [01:14:00] As I said, I knew there's at least five people [01:14:02] who have already asked me about it. [01:14:04] And I want to be able to, as we just explained a minute ago, [01:14:07] it was great that we're able to now explain this concisely [01:14:09] and consistently, but without having something

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22. 10Communications