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1. 1Call to Order – Roll Call▶ 0:00
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   Pledge of Allegiance

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   [00:00:22] If you could all stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance [00:00:25] and remain standing for a moment of silence in honor of our servicemen and women at home and abroad. [00:00:31] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America [00:00:36] and to the republic for which it stands, [00:00:39] one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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   Moment of Silence

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4. 4Approval of Minutes▶ 0:56
5. 5

   Presentation: The West Pasco Chamber of Commerce

   The West Pasco Chamber of Commerce presented its Most Marvelous Youth Organization award to the New Port Richey Recreation Center Youth Advisory Board. Several youth board members spoke about their experiences, and council members offered congratulations.

   📍5340 Carlton Road📍6142 Jackson Street📍6844 Washington Street📍7944 Rondeau Drive📍Melron Drive📍Van Buren Street🏢New Port Richey Recreation and Aquatic Center Youth Advisory Board🏢Toys for Tots🏢Walmart🏢West Pasco Chamber of Commerce👤Christopher Hamilton👤Davis👤Elaine👤Eliseo Sanchez, Jr.👤Jessica McKay👤John McMahon👤Judy👤Kayla McKay👤Ms. Manns👤Ms. Smith👤Pete Norman👤Starkey#Cardboard Campout#Most Marvelous Youth Organization Award#Summertime in the City#Toys for Tots#Walk a Hound Lose a Pound

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   [00:01:59] And this year I was fortunate enough to serve as chairman for the 2015-16 year of the West Pasco Chamber of Commerce. [00:02:09] And one of our awards that we give out is for the most marvelous youth organization. [00:02:23] And this year we're honored to give it to the New Port Richey Rec Center Children Advisory Board for the Rec Center. [00:02:33] Applause. [00:02:46] Come up here with me. Come up here with me. [00:02:49] We are all so proud of you. You have watched you grow for many, many years. [00:02:53] And we know that you are the future of our community. [00:02:57] You are our young leaders. [00:02:59] And we look forward to your growth as you continue to mentor others and to help others. [00:03:06] If you would be kind enough to turn around and maybe the mayor and city manager may come take a picture with us. [00:03:15] Is that appropriate? [00:03:18] Come here. Come here. Come here. [00:03:22] It's okay. Don't worry. I can tell you what to do. [00:03:25] Come here, young man. [00:03:28] I do. I'm actually going to give them to Hordick. [00:03:37] All right. So I want you to put both these in your hand, underneath your hand. [00:03:45] This award is given to you from the West Pasco Chamber of Commerce. [00:03:49] Smile. [00:04:06] You good? [00:04:09] Are you smiling? [00:04:12] Are we good? [00:04:14] And now I believe that a few of you young folks have a few things to say. [00:04:20] Can we begin with you? [00:04:21] Yes. [00:04:22] Thank you very much. [00:04:31] Hello. I'm Pete Norman. I live at 6844 Washington Street. [00:04:34] I've been a member of the Youth Advisory Board for five and a half years. [00:04:38] During that time, I've had the opportunity to experience many great things, [00:04:43] and it's been an honor to give back to the community. [00:04:47] We created and took part in the Cardboard Campout, where we spend a night in cardboard boxes, [00:04:53] and it gives us a greater understanding of what it's like to be homeless. [00:04:57] We've also helped out with Toys for Tots so that those who wouldn't be able to receive Christmas gifts would be able to. [00:05:09] Another way we help the community is by being in charge of the upkeep of the stretch of Van Buren Street [00:05:17] by the New Portree Recreation and Aquatic Center. [00:05:19] A few of the most memorable things I've done are donating blankets to a soup kitchen [00:05:24] and being able to experience what it's like to be on the radio. [00:05:27] Along with all that, the Youth Advisory Board has also taught me some very key life lessons, [00:05:37] such as not taking what you have for granted and the importance of giving back to the community. [00:05:42] I've also been taught to think more about my decisions and what the repercussions could be. [00:05:52] I am very thankful for the past five and a half years, and I look forward to several more before I go off to college. [00:05:57] Thank you. [00:05:58] Thank you. [00:05:59] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. [00:06:11] My name is Kayla McKay, and I live at 5340 Carlton Road, and I've been on the Youth Advisory Board for three years. [00:06:18] What being on the board means to me is giving back to my community by helping the needy for Christmas [00:06:24] by doing our annual service project, Toys for Tots, [00:06:27] and teaching me key points in life to help me succeed in the future, [00:06:30] like being professional in all situations needed and taking everything for granted. [00:06:36] Some of the most memorable moments I have had is participating in the Cardboard Campout, [00:06:43] which is a food drive service project to help a local church give people food for Thanksgiving [00:06:49] and doing concessions at movies to raise money to help us do fun trips during the summer. [00:06:56] And, of course, the largest event that happened two weeks ago, Summertime in the City. [00:07:00] This board has helped me in all possible ways and helped me succeed in all possible ways before I go off to college in August. [00:07:06] Thank you. [00:07:08] Applause [00:07:20] Hi, my name is Jessica McKay, and I live at 5340 Carlton Road, 34652. [00:07:33] I am 10 years old. I just joined the board in May. [00:07:38] Being part of the Youth Advisory Board means to me is giving back to my community [00:07:44] and experiencing many things like public speaking, building up my customer service skills at a young age. [00:07:57] Thank you. Have a good evening. [00:07:59] Applause [00:08:07] My name is Christopher Hamilton. I live at 6142 Jackson Street. [00:08:11] I wasn't the first one in my family to be on the Youth Advisory Board. [00:08:14] My sister was before me, and I was always so jealous of how much she was able to do, [00:08:18] how much she was able to reach out into the community, and how many people that we saw around town who would say, [00:08:24] Hey, I know you from that event. You helped me out so much. I wanted to do that. [00:08:27] So I joined. I had the same exact experience. [00:08:29] I now go around. I'll be in Walmart, and someone was like, Hey, I saw you at summertime in the city. [00:08:34] We had a great time. We'll have like a conversation for like 15 minutes, just about that. [00:08:39] This program has opened my eyes to the people in my community, the needs we have in our community, [00:08:45] and really helped me grow in my character leading up into my future so I can be a better person [00:08:51] and so I can give back to my community as much as I can. [00:08:54] Thank you. [00:08:55] Thank you. [00:09:03] Good evening. My name is Eliseo Sanchez, Jr. I live at 7944 Rondeau Drive. [00:09:09] These last seven years on the Youth Advisory Board have encouraged me to grow as a person and grow my character. [00:09:16] I've had the pleasure of doing so many events for the city and helping community service. [00:09:23] It has been a pleasure for me to grow and so many life lessons to give a handshake, speak in public, [00:09:29] how to act at a table for dinner. [00:09:33] I've been able to have the pleasure of letting my sister now take my place on the board, [00:09:37] which has been an enormous honor, and I can actually see her grow and mature as a young lady, [00:09:43] which is going to open my eyes even more. [00:09:45] I'm so happy I was able to go and do these community events like the Cardboard Campout [00:09:50] to promote homelessness and our Walk a Hound Lose a Pound to promote healthy living for dogs and their owners. [00:09:57] But I just can't wait to see what this board will do in the future and can't wait to be an alumni. [00:10:01] Thank you. [00:10:16] Hello, my name is John McMahon. [00:10:18] I live at Melron Drive for it for seven. [00:10:23] You've already floored three, four, six, five, three. [00:10:26] I am happy to volunteer for the Youth Advisory Board because I can tell people about how my experiences in the city. [00:10:38] Like I love going to the rec center and going to the skate park and I could tell them how great it is and fun [00:10:45] and all the fun I have there. [00:10:47] Have a good evening. [00:10:48] Thank you. [00:10:58] Judy and I were just talking during dinner between meetings of how disheartening it is [00:11:03] that so many of our youths have kind of been misguided and gone astray, [00:11:07] and public speaking is so scary for everybody, even us up here. [00:11:14] If you ask people I think on a survey, more people are scared to speak in public than anything else in the world. [00:11:20] You guys did a phenomenal job. [00:11:22] And it's very, very encouraging to see all the positive things you're doing both for the community and yourselves. [00:11:27] And what's encouraging to me is the fact that you realize it and realize how it's helping you now. [00:11:33] What you're doing now is going to help you so much in the future and you're going to look back ten years from now. [00:11:37] And I know you're thankful and you're confident and you're happy with what you've done by being a part of this board. [00:11:43] But it's going to help you so much where you're going to look back ten years from now [00:11:48] and you're just going to realize, boy, like you said, just shaking a hand, [00:11:51] learning how to act at the dinner table at formal settings, things like that, [00:11:55] looking somebody in the eye is just so very important. [00:11:58] So it's so encouraging to see you guys taking an active role in your community. [00:12:02] And as a council member, I thank you for everything that you're doing. [00:12:05] Congratulations on this award. [00:12:12] I was at the chamber function when they were making the announcements, [00:12:15] and I have to tell you that you were in very steep competition as well. [00:12:19] So I was incredibly pleased and so proud of all of you for winning [00:12:25] and for other people recognizing the excellence that we have in you young people. [00:12:31] And to confirm what Mr. Starkey just said, I have been so disheartened to think where our youth are going. [00:12:41] And I could have wept standing here, I mean sitting here looking at you [00:12:47] and knowing what a tremendous influence you are going to have on your own peers, [00:12:53] and that is incredible as well. [00:12:56] So there is a whole group of young people that are watching you. [00:13:02] What a tremendous positive experience it is for them as well. [00:13:09] So thank you so much for being so persistent and staying with the program and growing, [00:13:16] and it's wonderful to see those of you who were as little as your sister [00:13:23] and now to see you grown up so well. [00:13:26] I was very impressed. [00:13:27] I think I met you at the park, and that was one of the things I said to Ms. Smith, [00:13:34] that you caught my eye, you directed yourself right to me, shook my hand, introduced yourself to me, [00:13:40] and I was thinking, who is this? [00:13:43] And really very impressive. [00:13:45] Could not be more honored that you are representing our city. [00:13:50] And all the very best to all of you. [00:13:52] Thank you for being here tonight. [00:13:55] Thank you. [00:14:01] You guys are great. [00:14:02] I'm just tickled to death that the West Pasco Chamber of Commerce recognized how great you are, [00:14:08] and you're well deserving of this award. [00:14:11] Congratulations to you all, and I know Elaine has followed your careers now, [00:14:18] and I know that she will share your resumes with Ms. Manns and others in the city staff [00:14:24] because there will be some empty seats here pretty soon, [00:14:27] and we'd sure like for you to come back to your community and keep on giving back. [00:14:33] Thank you. [00:14:38] And kudos to you, Ms. Smith, for seeing this program through. [00:14:42] Really and truly just very impressed at you. [00:14:44] Thank you. [00:14:49] Excuse me. [00:14:50] I just wanted to say thank you for honoring them and allowing them. [00:14:52] They did not know they were getting this award tonight, so we kind of kept that a surprise. [00:14:57] And thank you for allowing them a little bit of time to speak. [00:15:00] because public speaking is a main fear of everybody and quite a few of them [00:15:04] tonight was their first time ever so I was really proud. I never pressure [00:15:08] them. They jump up and step forward when they feel like they're ready and some [00:15:11] tonight was the first for a lot of them tonight so they're a great group of young [00:15:16] people and they represent our city well. Can I say something? Sure Mr. Davis. The thing [00:15:26] that impressed me the most is they step up at their age to give back to [00:15:31] their community and it's a great lesson to learn at your age and you can take [00:15:35] it the rest of the way through your life. A very important lesson to give back to [00:15:38] your community. Thank you.

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7. 7.a

   Approval of the May 16, 2016 Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes

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   Council approved the consent agenda, which included the May 16, 2016 Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes, with no items pulled for discussion.

   • motion:Motion to approve the consent agenda including the May 16, 2016 Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes. (passed)

   👤Davis#May 16, 2016 Cultural Affairs Committee Minutes

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   [00:21:59] the agenda is the consent agenda. Move for approval. Second. Any pulls? Mr. Davis? [00:22:10] Nothing. In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed,

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8. 7.b

   Approval of the May 23, 2016 Environmental Committee Minutes

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   Council approved the consent agenda, which included approval of the May 23, 2016 Environmental Committee Minutes.

   • motion:Motion to approve the consent agenda including the May 23, 2016 Environmental Committee Minutes. (passed)

   👤Davis#May 23, 2016 Environmental Committee Minutes

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   [00:21:59] the agenda is the consent agenda. Move for approval. Second. Any pulls? Mr. Davis? [00:22:10] Nothing. In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed,

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9. 7.c

   Approval of the May 10, 2016 Parks and Recreation Board Minutes

   approvedon consent

   Council approved the consent agenda, which included the May 10, 2016 Parks and Recreation Board Minutes.

   • motion:Motion to approve the consent agenda including the May 10, 2016 Parks and Recreation Board Minutes. (passed)

   👤Davis#May 10, 2016 Parks and Recreation Board Minutes

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   [00:21:59] the agenda is the consent agenda. Move for approval. Second. Any pulls? Mr. Davis? [00:22:10] Nothing. In that case, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed,

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10. 7.d

    Purchase/Payments for City Council Approval

    approvedon consent

    The consent agenda, including purchases/payments for City Council approval, was moved, seconded, and approved with no items pulled.

    • motion:Motion to approve the consent agenda. (passed)

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11. 8.a

    Second Reading, Ordinance #2016-2079: Rezoning - Main Street Landing - 5500 Main Street

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    Council held the second reading and public hearing for Ordinance 2016-2079, rezoning 3.10 acres at the southeast corner of Main Street and River Road (Main Street Landing, 5500 Main Street) within the PDD commercial planned district. After discussion of parking concerns, flood elevation, and stormwater compensating storage, the rezoning was approved.

    Ord. Ordinance #2016-2079

    • motion:Motion to approve Ordinance 2016-2079 rezoning the Main Street Landing property. (passed)

    📍5500 Main Street📍Southeast corner of Main Street and River Road🏢Spring Engineering👤Councilman Davis👤Mr. McGurn👤Ms. Fierce👤Raleigh Dove#Land Development Review Board#Main Street Landing#Ordinance 2016-2079#PDD - Planned Development District, Commercial Planned District subcategory#Tax Incremental Financing ($1,750,000)

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    [00:22:16] like sign. Motion passes. Next is public reading of ordinances. Second reading, [00:22:22] ordinance 2016-2079. An ordinance rezoning 3.10 acres of property located [00:22:28] on the southeast corner of Main Street and River Road from PDD, planned [00:22:33] development district, commercial planned district subcategory, to PDD, planned [00:22:38] development district, commercial planned district subcategory. Further describe [00:22:42] herein and in Exhibit A providing for an effective date. Mr. Mayor, members of [00:22:48] the City Council, this item was held for you on our first public hearing on June [00:22:53] 21st, 2016. At that time, the applicant for the rezoning was not able to be in [00:23:00] attendance. Mr. McGurn is in attendance this evening and we are prepared to [00:23:05] respond to any questions you might have about this matter. Very good. This is a [00:23:10] public hearing. Open up for anyone from the public wishes to address Council on [00:23:16] this matter. Seeing no one come forward, I'll bring it back to Council. Move for [00:23:27] approval. I'll second that. To the maker. I have nothing at this time, no. To the second. No, I appreciate what we went, what Ms. Fierce put [00:23:37] together to make this happen and move to approve. Deputy Mayor. Yeah, I asked a series of [00:23:45] questions at the last meeting and Mr. McGurn's representative was here. [00:23:50] Obviously, we pointed out the case that, and rightfully, the Land Development [00:23:57] Review Board also brought up the same points about not having all the parking [00:24:04] for tenants or for the residents on site and we're going to be using street [00:24:10] parking and some other elements and that during the day when they're gone, then [00:24:18] they'll be able to use some of the parking for the retail, which is [00:24:21] going to be staying in place on the bottom floor. We gave them some [00:24:24] flexibility in our renegotiation and so I just wanted to make sure that was on [00:24:32] the record because that's, we're going to create a need that isn't there now [00:24:38] and then we're going to find a solution to it for an on-site property owner and [00:24:45] we really would like to see this facility move along and I think now that [00:24:51] the other questions that I asked were, you know, I think pretty good idea when [00:24:57] it comes to, when the bill comes for us to pay our tax incremental financing part [00:25:04] of a million, a million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars and then over and [00:25:09] above that we also asked them to comply with a noise ordinance that we don't [00:25:12] have in place, so I mean, you know, so I just wanted to make sure that everybody [00:25:19] knew it was on the record that when this development is completed, there's going [00:25:23] to be parking issues in the West Main part of New Port Richey and maybe [00:25:28] that's a good problem to have, but once again, it's going to create a interaction [00:25:35] with the public of, you know, and then we'll have a conversation about [00:25:43] this project and when it started and where it is, where it was and where it is [00:25:48] today, so as a collective body, we're going to need to think about some ways [00:25:54] to address parking, not only on the West Main side, but also in the heart of New Port Richey, but again, that'll dovetail into the second ordinance that's coming up, [00:26:07] but obviously rezoning the property so that they can move their construction [00:26:14] along would be a net benefit to the City of New Port Richey. Thank you. [00:26:17] Councilman Davis. Nothing. I had one question I asked Miss Fierce about [00:26:25] earlier today and did not get an answer that she wasn't sure of, but thought [00:26:32] perhaps your engineering staff might know the answer to. When the buildings [00:26:39] that aren't built yet are constructed, they're going to have parking on the [00:26:46] ground level and my question is how much above the current grade are those [00:26:54] going to be sitting at? Mr. Mayor, members of Council, my name is Raleigh Dove with [00:26:59] Spring Engineering. The parking garage itself will be setting approximately two [00:27:05] to two and a half feet above existing grade. The top of a seawall out there now [00:27:09] is at elevation 3.6. The parking deck, parking garage floor level will be at [00:27:17] elevation five and a half to six so that it can obviously the water drain out of it. [00:27:25] That helps a lot. We noticed a good part of that parcel was underwater [00:27:31] during the tropical storm event. Another two and a half, three feet is going to [00:27:35] make all the difference in the world. Right, and also keep in mind that as part [00:27:39] of permitting this through both the city and the water management district, we had [00:27:44] to provide compensating storage volume for floodwater, so it's not like we're [00:27:49] taking away the volume that you see there. We are providing for that in our project. [00:27:55] That's going to be in the center, based on the schematics I saw, just so I'm [00:27:58] clear, going to be in the center of the whole layout, the center of the [00:28:04] parking lot, and then again you have the retention between the seawall [00:28:07] and where the parking lot is, is that correct? So you're going to have like a [00:28:10] retention water area on the inside of the seawall and then the river on [00:28:16] the outside of that. That's correct. And what's going to be over just like a [00:28:19] boardwalk type thing? Yes. Thank you very much. Any other questions? Hearing none, [00:28:28] all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, live sign. Motion passes. [00:28:35] Next is second reading ordinance 2016-2087, or 2081 I'm sorry. Okay, I'm

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12. 8.b

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    Second Reading, Ordinance #2016-2081 & Ordinance #2016-2082: Expansion of the James E. Grey Preserve and Associated Transfer of Development Rights

    approved

    Council held second reading and approved Ordinances #2016-2081 (amending future land use from MDR-14 to R/OS) and #2016-2082 (rezoning from MHP to government district) for 6.93 acres at the southern terminus of Congress Street, related to expansion of the James E. Grey Preserve and an associated transfer of development rights. Dr. Ken McGurn presented a construction timeline indicating plans go to the general contractor Monday, permit application by mid-August, and 15-18 months of construction after a September start. Deputy Mayor requested a revised breakout of the city's investment including a dollar amount for the transferred development rights.

    Ord. Ordinance #2016-2081; Ordinance #2016-2082

    • motion:Motion to approve Ordinance #2016-2081 amending future land use category for 6.93 acres from MDR-14 to R/OS recreational open space. (passed)
    • motion:Motion to approve Ordinance #2016-2082 rezoning 6.93 acres from MHP mobile home park district to government district. (passed)
    • direction:Deputy Mayor requested a revised breakout of the city's investment including a dollar amount assigned to the transferred development rights. (none)

    📍corner of River Road and Main Street📍southern terminus of Congress Street approximately 750 feet south of Louisiana Avenue👤Davis👤John👤Judy👤Ken McGurn#$1,750,000 city payment#$144,000 seawall payment#James E. Grey Preserve#Ordinance #2016-2081#Ordinance #2016-2082#Transfer of Development Rights

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    [00:28:50] going to go ahead and read for 2081 and for 2082 if I may. Thank you. An ordinance [00:28:57] amending future land use category for 6.93 acres located at the southern [00:29:01] terminus of Congress Street approximately 750 feet south of [00:29:06] Louisiana Avenue from MDR 14 medium-density residential category to [00:29:11] R slash OS recreational open space category further described herein and in [00:29:16] exhibit A. Providing for severability, providing for an effective date. Ordinance [00:29:22] number 2016-2082, an ordinance rezoning 6.93 acres located at the [00:29:28] southern terminus of Congress Street and approximately 750 feet south of [00:29:34] Louisiana Avenue from MHP mobile home park district to government district [00:29:39] further described herein and in exhibit A. Providing for severability and [00:29:43] providing for an effective date. Thank you. Thank you. I'll open up both of these [00:29:48] ordinances for public comment. Anyone has any comment on either one of them? [00:29:54] Seeing no one come forward, bring back to council and ask for a motion on 2016-2082. [00:30:00] 2081. [00:30:01] Move to approve. [00:30:03] Second. [00:30:04] We have a motion and a second. [00:30:06] To the maker. [00:30:07] No, again, I think this is genius on our part [00:30:12] and to get this thing moving. [00:30:14] To the second. [00:30:15] Judy and I love what you all were able to do. [00:30:18] Kind of give us a little insight as to how your department works [00:30:21] on this one. [00:30:21] So thanks for explaining it so well last time around. [00:30:24] Deputy Mayor. [00:30:24] If this ordinance passed, I'd like [00:30:31] to have a revised breakout for the city's investment [00:30:40] into this project. [00:30:42] And specifically, I want a dollar amount [00:30:45] put to the transferred development rights. [00:30:51] I don't know that that was effectively communicated [00:30:54] when we made our deal recently, obviously, [00:31:01] because I'd like to be able to explain to the public [00:31:05] relatively quickly what we did before, [00:31:10] what we did in the interim, what we're doing now, [00:31:15] so we continue to be a viable partner, [00:31:18] even though we're not a partner, in this real estate [00:31:22] transaction at the corner of River Road and Main Street. [00:31:28] Would like to get some understanding as to, [00:31:32] if this all happens, what's the projected timeline? [00:31:38] When we're going to start construction, [00:31:42] when, how long do we perceive it might take, [00:31:47] and then finally, when do we have [00:31:50] to get our check ready to pay our $1,750,000 over and above [00:31:57] the $144,000 we paid for the seawall, which [00:31:59] was a big, big issue. [00:32:00] So we're getting ready to go into budget sessions [00:32:06] for this year, but we'd like to get an idea of what [00:32:09] that timeline's going to be. [00:32:11] I want to know what the timeline is. [00:32:14] I'm not speaking for anybody else. [00:32:16] So those are my points. [00:32:19] Thank you. [00:32:19] Councilman Davis? [00:32:21] Nothing. [00:32:24] Dr. McGurn, do you have a time frame for when [00:32:27] we'll see this moving forward? [00:32:37] My name is Ken McGurn, and I'm running for Congress. [00:32:40] I was afraid you weren't going to ask me to come up and speak. [00:32:44] I'm supposed to, as politicians, you [00:32:46] know that you're supposed to be home raising money. [00:32:49] I'm supposed to be there raising money, making phone [00:32:51] calls, and support from my constituents. [00:32:55] But I felt it was important enough for me [00:32:59] to drive down here, play hooky up there, [00:33:03] and report to you on this project, [00:33:07] because it's very important to me. [00:33:08] I know it's important to you. [00:33:10] You've invested a lot, and it's very important [00:33:12] to this community. [00:33:14] So as a politician, I get to speak. [00:33:17] No, I'm not. [00:33:18] I'm really a businessman, so I'll make this very brief. [00:33:22] The plans are done. [00:33:23] They're being polished. [00:33:24] Monday, they will be issued to the general contractor, whom [00:33:27] we've already got on board. [00:33:30] And he will then issue them to the subcontractors. [00:33:33] We will give them three weeks to four weeks [00:33:35] to get their information back to us, their questions. [00:33:41] If there's any problems with the plans, [00:33:43] we'll have the architects scrub them. [00:33:46] We'll immediately put them in for a permit [00:33:48] with the city. [00:33:49] We hope to do that by mid-August. [00:33:52] The city has four weeks to issue a permit, [00:33:56] and our architect has been working closely [00:33:58] with the building department, getting feedback, [00:34:00] so hopefully that will go very smoothly. [00:34:04] If we get the permit in September, [00:34:06] we will start immediately. [00:34:08] The general contractor says it's 15 to 18 months [00:34:13] after he starts. [00:34:15] That's as brief as I can be. [00:34:17] Questions on that? [00:34:18] Yeah, I do. [00:34:20] I've got a few. [00:34:22] Obviously, in conjunction with that, [00:34:25] do you have the docs that are projected in this plan? [00:34:29] Are those in tandem? [00:34:32] Are those going to be happening at the same time [00:34:34] as the development? [00:34:35] No, the docs are going to be done later. [00:34:37] Done later. [00:34:42] I'm only assuming that part of your documents, [00:34:46] and I'm assuming that you've, I don't [00:34:49] know if you've pre-discussed them, [00:34:52] or had early on discussions with the development department. [00:34:56] I'm sure that's been an ongoing collaboration, I hope. [00:35:00] Not brand new for what they're going to see. [00:35:03] And over and above that, obviously you [00:35:06] have equipment that's already on the existing building that's [00:35:10] been there for quite some time. [00:35:12] I'm sure you're having to retrofit that, [00:35:14] or have to look to replace that, [00:35:16] because it's been in the elements for that long. [00:35:18] That's correct. [00:35:20] And it appears that you're going to try [00:35:23] to dovetail our streetscape elements into part [00:35:26] of your development. [00:35:27] Is that correct? [00:35:28] Yes. [00:35:28] OK. [00:35:29] Very good. [00:35:30] Thank you. [00:35:31] Thank you, Dr. McGurn. [00:35:32] Thank you. [00:35:33] Dr. McGurn, I just want to say that I can't wait for the ribbon [00:35:36] cutting, as all of us can not. [00:35:39] And so I'm looking forward to that as well. [00:35:41] The second and final one, hopefully, right? [00:35:44] And are you really running for Congress? [00:35:47] I was recruited at the last minute [00:35:48] to run against a Tea Party candidate, [00:35:51] because I'm a conservative businessman. [00:35:53] So yes, I am running. [00:35:55] We've had the war councils, et cetera. [00:35:57] And I am supposed to be raising money, [00:35:59] so if anybody wants to contribute. [00:36:02] Well, good luck with your campaign. [00:36:03] Good luck. [00:36:06] Any further questions or discussions? [00:36:09] Hearing none, all those in favor, [00:36:11] please signify by saying aye. [00:36:12] Aye. [00:36:13] Aye. [00:36:14] Opposed? [00:36:14] Like sign. [00:36:15] Motion passes. [00:36:17] Next is entertain a motion on 2016-2082. [00:36:25] Mr. Mayor, members of the city council, [00:36:29] this is an ordinance related to the application [00:36:33] of lawn fertilizer. [00:36:35] No, we're still on 2082 as part of the one we just did. [00:36:38] Oh, sorry. [00:36:39] Help me out, John. [00:36:40] We need the second part of the second one. [00:36:45] I've read that one also. [00:36:46] Yes, sir. [00:36:48] I'll entertain a motion on that one. [00:36:49] We've already had public comment as well. [00:36:51] I'm sorry. [00:36:51] I thought we were done with 81 and 82. [00:36:53] OK, I'll make a motion. [00:36:55] We have a motion. [00:36:56] Second. [00:36:57] 82. [00:36:58] Motion and a second. [00:36:59] To the maker, second. [00:37:02] Nothing further, thank you. [00:37:03] Deputy Mayor. [00:37:04] Councilman Davis. [00:37:06] Nothing. [00:37:07] Likewise here.

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13. 8.c

    First Reading, Ordinance 2016-2087: Amendments to Fertilizer Application Ordinance

    discussed

    Council held first reading of Ordinance 2016-2087, amending the city's fertilizer application ordinance to comply with the NPDES permit's five-year review requirement, using FDEP's model ordinance. Staff explained the update and a councilwoman asked about enforcement and requested public education be included.

    Ord. Ordinance 2016-2087

    • motion:Motion to approve first reading of Ordinance 2016-2087 amending the fertilizer application ordinance. (none)

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    [00:37:08] No further discussion. [00:37:09] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:37:12] Aye. [00:37:12] Opposed? [00:37:14] Like sign. [00:37:16] Motion passes. [00:37:19] Next is first reading of ordinance 26-2087. [00:37:23] An ordinance of the city council of New Port Richey, Florida [00:37:26] focusing on excessive nutrient levels in New Port Richey water [00:37:29] bodies, providing for title, providing for definitions, [00:37:32] providing for findings, providing for purpose [00:37:34] and intent, providing for applicability, [00:37:37] providing for time in the fertilizer applications, [00:37:40] providing for fertilizer-free zones, [00:37:42] providing for fertilized content and application rates, [00:37:45] providing for fertilizer application practices, [00:37:49] providing for management of grass clippings [00:37:51] and vegetative matter, providing for exemptions, [00:37:54] providing for training, providing [00:37:55] for licensing of commercial applicators, [00:37:58] providing for enforcement, providing for penalties, [00:38:01] providing for appeal, providing for severability, [00:38:03] providing for inclusion in the code of laws and ordinances, [00:38:07] providing for enforcement, providing for captions, [00:38:09] and providing for an effective date. [00:38:13] I hope somebody's got an English translation of that. [00:38:16] Yes, Mr. Mayor. [00:38:18] Mr. Rivera has a translation for you. [00:38:21] Thank you. [00:38:21] This is part of the city's current NPDES permit [00:38:25] that requires the city to review its fertilizer application [00:38:28] ordinance every five years. [00:38:31] Historically, the city has used the Florida Department [00:38:35] of Environmental Protection Agency's model ordinance [00:38:38] to make those changes and amendments. [00:38:41] This ordinance has those changes included in it. [00:38:45] Thank you. [00:38:46] This is a public hearing. [00:38:47] We'll open it up for comment from the public. [00:38:51] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:38:54] Move for approval. [00:38:58] Second. [00:38:59] To the maker. [00:39:01] No, it's just updating it and having [00:39:07] to work within the FDEP's standards. [00:39:12] Second. [00:39:13] Nothing further. [00:39:14] Thank you. [00:39:14] Councilwoman. [00:39:15] I just have a question. [00:39:18] Under the timing of the fertilizer application, [00:39:20] how are we going to enforce this prohibited application [00:39:24] period of fertilizer? [00:39:25] Just the honor system? [00:39:26] Because we're talking about residents as well as [00:39:29] commercial folks, not using. [00:39:34] Correct. [00:39:36] It would be a proactive approach and a reactive approach, [00:39:38] code enforcement, a proactive approach [00:39:41] as they go through sections of the town [00:39:44] through different neighborhoods. [00:39:45] Or it could be a neighbor that is seeing their neighbor [00:39:49] or the contractor applying those types of fertilizers [00:39:52] during those months. [00:39:54] And can we include education so that our residents understand [00:40:00] what it is we're doing and why we're asking? [00:40:02] Might that be something that we can include,

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14. 8.d

    First Reading, Ordinance 2016-2089: Amendments to Florida Friendly Landscaping Practices and Irrigation Systems Ordinance

    approved

    Council passed first reading of Ordinance 2016-2089, updating the city's Florida Friendly Landscaping Practices and Irrigation Systems ordinance to comply with DEP model ordinances and renew a five-year MS4 stormwater permit under the Clean Water Act. Updates include automatic rain sensor requirements and expanded buffer zones for herbicide/pesticide application near water bodies.

    Ord. Ordinance 2016-2089

    • motion:Motion to approve first reading of Ordinance 2016-2089 amending Florida Friendly Landscaping Practices and Irrigation Systems ordinance. (passed)

    👤Councilman Davis👤Mr. Rivera#AMI smart meter project#Clean Water Act#DEP model ordinances#MS4 stormwater permit#Ordinance 2016-2089#U.S. Highway 19 Center Medians Landscape Project

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    [00:40:03] whether it's in our newsletter or just information [00:40:06] on our website, to help them understand why? [00:40:08] Sure, we do that. [00:40:09] We have some literature on the website. [00:40:11] We also have brochures made up. [00:40:13] It's part of our stormwater outreach program. [00:40:16] Excellent. [00:40:16] Thank you. [00:40:17] Councilman Davis. [00:40:19] Nothing. [00:40:21] Likewise here. [00:40:23] There's no further discussion. [00:40:24] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:40:27] Aye. [00:40:27] Aye. [00:40:28] Aye. [00:40:29] Opposed, the like sign. [00:40:31] Motion passes. [00:40:32] Next is first reading ordinance 2016-2089. [00:40:35] Mr. Public. [00:40:36] An ordinance for protection of water quality and quantity [00:40:40] using general landscape regulations [00:40:42] by requiring Florida friendly landscape practices [00:40:45] and irrigation systems by providing for consistency [00:40:48] with state law and the city of New Port Richey [00:40:50] comprehensive plan, providing for purpose and intent, [00:40:53] providing for definitions, providing [00:40:55] for amendment of existing regulations, [00:40:57] providing for conflicts, providing for severability, [00:41:00] providing for codification, providing for enforcement, [00:41:02] and providing an effective date. [00:41:08] Mr. Mayor, members of the city council, [00:41:11] this agenda item also is a result of a permit that [00:41:16] needs to be renewed every five years. [00:41:19] Mr. Rivera has some information for you on the detail. [00:41:23] This is part of our existing Florida friendly landscaping [00:41:26] practices and irrigation systems. [00:41:29] Basically, to give you an example, [00:41:30] it kind of does the same thing as the previous one. [00:41:33] It updates from the DEP's model ordinances. [00:41:36] An example would be inclusion of automatic rain sensors [00:41:41] so that your irrigation system doesn't turn on, [00:41:44] or the expansion of our buffer zone between the water [00:41:48] and the yard as far as how you can apply different types [00:41:51] of herbicides and pesticides near the bodies of water. [00:41:56] So this is basically the same as the previous ordinance, [00:41:59] a housekeeping issue according to our existing permit. [00:42:04] Thank you. [00:42:05] I'll open this up to public comment. [00:42:08] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. [00:42:12] Move for approval. [00:42:14] We have a motion. [00:42:15] Second that. [00:42:16] Motion is seconded to the maker. [00:42:19] Mr. Rivera, what's the downside if the permit's not renewed? [00:42:29] Does it preclude us from bidding on things? [00:42:33] Or what's the net effect? [00:42:37] The origin of the permit is the Clean Water Act [00:42:41] that was passed by the federal government. [00:42:43] So there are penalties to any municipality that operates [00:42:51] an MS4 system, which the city does. [00:42:54] So that's our recourses of, obviously, [00:42:58] yes, if we were going for cooperative funding grants, [00:43:01] we would need to have current stormwater practices in place. [00:43:06] And then, of course, we would have [00:43:08] to follow the federal government guidelines. [00:43:11] We're mandated to do that. [00:43:13] And the second question is, how do we [00:43:16] enforce people having a device on their irrigation system [00:43:22] to tell it not to water when it rains? [00:43:25] Is there a process with that? [00:43:28] Again, it would be proactive, reactive. [00:43:31] It would be educating staff members, [00:43:33] such as code enforcement that go out [00:43:34] and that are out and about, stormwater utility personnel. [00:43:39] One of the good things about the new AMI project [00:43:42] with the smart meters that we have [00:43:44] is we'll actually be able to see when people are irrigating, [00:43:47] whether or not they fall within the days [00:43:49] that they're allowed to irrigate. [00:43:51] Or if we see a large consumption happening at a residence [00:43:55] because of when it's raining or something like that, [00:43:59] if we ended up getting a complaint, [00:44:01] or we had a crew out there, we could be able to recognize [00:44:05] that activity. [00:44:07] That's on a metered system, correct? [00:44:10] Not if somebody has a well pump or something else [00:44:12] in their irrigation process. [00:44:18] The second? [00:44:21] I just guess I'm disappointed with society [00:44:24] at large for not picking up the whole concept of zero scaping, [00:44:28] especially in Florida. [00:44:30] And I know that we've got information on it. [00:44:33] We've got brochures on it and all. [00:44:35] But collectively, what is it that we [00:44:37] can do to help them move in that direction? [00:44:39] It just seems like if we were utilizing that more, [00:44:44] we'd have less issues with it. [00:44:47] Actually, we're starting with the next item [00:44:50] that we have on here with the Highway 19 beautification [00:44:53] project. [00:44:54] The center medians will be landscaped with zero scape [00:44:59] to four floors. [00:45:00] of friendly plants. When we go to water them, we'll be watering them with reclaimed water. [00:45:06] So a lot of that stuff is going to be leading by example. We'll be doing an outreach program [00:45:11] that kind of promotes that project as us being a leader. And so hopefully it will catch on. [00:45:17] Excellent. Thank you. [00:45:19] Councilman Davis. [00:45:21] Nothing. [00:45:22] I'll just go on record indicating I lost the argument with my wife back in 91 about astroturfing [00:45:28] the front yard so we didn't have to water it. There's no further discussion. All those [00:45:34] in favor, please signify by saying aye. [00:45:36] Aye. [00:45:37] Aye. [00:45:38] Aye. [00:45:39] Aye. [00:45:40] Opposed? Like sign. Motion passes. Next is consideration of bid award 16-14-2014-2015 [00:45:47] U.S. Highway 19 Center Medians Landscape Project Phase 1. [00:45:53] Mr. Rivera. [00:45:54] Thank you, Mayor and Council. On Thursday, June 9th, there was one competitive bid that

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15. 9.a

    Consideration of Bid Award 16-014: 2014/2015 US Hwy 19 Center Medians Landscaping Project Phase 1

    approved

    Council awarded Bid 16-014 for the US Hwy 19 Center Medians Landscaping Project Phase 1 to Morelli Landscaping Incorporated for a not-to-exceed amount of $265,624, $4,624 above the architect's estimate. Despite being the sole bidder, staff and FDOT recommended Morelli based on prior successful work including the 2013 downtown tree replacement project. Funding comes from Penny for Pasco dollars and FDOT grant reimbursement.

    • motion:Motion to approve Bid Award 16-014 to Morelli Landscaping for the US Hwy 19 Center Medians Landscaping Project Phase 1 at not-to-exceed $265,624. (passed)

    📍US Hwy 19 Center Medians🏢FDOT🏢Morelli Landscaping Incorporated👤Davis👤Greg Armstrong👤Judy#2013 downtown tree replacement project#2014/2015 US Hwy 19 Center Medians Landscaping Project Phase 1#Bid 16-014#FDOT grant reimbursement#Penny for Pasco

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    [00:45:59] was submitted by Morelli Landscaping Incorporated in a do-not-exceed amount of $265,624. This [00:46:11] do-not-exceed amount was $4,624 above the architect's estimated construction cost for [00:46:18] the project. Staff would request that Council consider for approval the bid submitted as [00:46:25] well as the project award. Morelli Landscaping has experience with similar projects with [00:46:32] FDOT. There's an attached recommendation in your packet from FDOT stating that they recommend [00:46:41] Morelli Landscaping for these types of projects. They're familiar with them. They've also indicated [00:46:47] that a loan bid process will not hinder our eligibility for the grant reimbursement on [00:46:54] this project. Morelli Landscape also has done the 2013 downtown tree replacement project [00:47:04] for the city. That project was completed under budget and under the time frame that was allowed. [00:47:11] The funding for this project has been identified as penny for PASCO dollars and FDOT grant [00:47:17] reimbursement funds. The architect of record has verified bid documents and references [00:47:24] and has recommended Morelli as well. City staff took it one step further, called up [00:47:32] a vendor that had picked up the invitation to bid packet and asked them why they didn't [00:47:39] submit for this project. Their comment was the return on investment of the project was [00:47:44] just basically too small for them to make any money on. We're very familiar with Morelli. [00:47:50] They're a top-notch contractor and so therefore we would recommend that even though this is [00:47:57] a one bid that was submitted that council approve it. Thank you. Open it up for public [00:48:04] comment. Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to council. Move for approval. Second. [00:48:11] To the maker. This has been a long time coming. When are they starting? We will probably start [00:48:17] in maybe about eight weeks. We need to get all the bonds and all the other paperwork [00:48:24] together, pre-construction meeting, and then we'll get started. But it's not going to take [00:48:28] very long to implement. It's safe to assume then it's going to look pretty much like the [00:48:33] presentation from the architect last year. I think it was last year. Exactly. Okay. I thought you were talking about the one that we just did for the downtimes. No, no, the one that was here for the U.S. 19 improvements. When we thought we were getting the money last year. Right, correct. And would you be so kind as to forward, is this something [00:48:54] emailable because honestly I was thinking of that other one. And I've all of a sudden taken [00:48:59] notice of median projects. And so I would love to know what their plan was because I [00:49:06] don't remember. And I'll let you know, but basically this one has some limited ground [00:49:12] cover, zero scaping type of plants. It's a little bit different than the downtown, the [00:49:17] proposed downtown project that all the areas where ground cover is presented has irrigation. [00:49:24] If you could dig up that report and have Judy or somebody email it to us though because [00:49:27] they have some phenomenal before and after computer generated images. There was the one [00:49:31] with the peanuts. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, thank you, yes. But I'd love to have it anyway. [00:49:36] Thank you. Thank you. Deputy Mayor. And if you would also reach out to Greg Armstrong [00:49:41] and make sure that they're, that he's, that obviously they're looking to a larger, they've [00:49:49] been requesting money from the state, promised and then taken away recently as to the three [00:49:57] or four, the medians that we're doing now. So obviously there's a dovetailing of what [00:50:04] they're thinking about doing later on. And maybe they learn a little bit from ours and [00:50:09] obviously with FDOT approving our side, you know, they'll probably want to update theirs [00:50:15] a little bit more. And obviously on the presentation from the architect, he explained to us all [00:50:21] of the sight line issues that come into play and you can't have them so close to the intersections [00:50:28] and all that. But obviously as a way that Mr. Armstrong and his group might utilize [00:50:35] part of what we did as an education to help them be successful on their next round of [00:50:40] requests. Mr. Deputy Mayor, I'll make sure that Mr. [00:50:44] Armstrong has a copy of the plans and I'll connect with him. [00:50:47] Super. Thank you. Councilman Davis. [00:50:52] Number two, Greg Armstrong said that there was some people kind of adopting different areas and I want to make sure that they're aware of what's going on also. [00:51:03] Very good. Thank you. Looking forward to seeing this starting. There's no further discussion. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Motion passes.

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16. 9.b

    Consideration of Approval: Pavement Management Plan and Assessment Methodology

    discussed

    Public Works staff presented a proposed Pavement Management Plan and assessment methodology to address deteriorating city roads, replacing the current per-project special assessment model with a city-wide non-ad valorem assessment averaging $85.42/year per single-family home (combining an EAU based on parcel acreage and an ERU based on average daily trips). Council discussed the plan favorably, comparing it to insurance-style cost spreading, and the item was presented for approval with a request to set a public hearing date.

    • direction:Council discussed and indicated general support for the Pavement Management Plan and assessment methodology, with staff requesting a motion to set a public hearing date. (none)

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    [00:51:15] Next is consideration approval of a pavement management plan and assessment methodology. [00:51:21] Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, this agenda item is before you this evening in respect to some challenges that we have with the current process. [00:51:34] Our road improvements on a historical basis have been implemented on a special assessment funding mechanism. [00:51:46] We've also used limited local option gas tax funds and the collection rate by which the city was repaid was not favorable. [00:51:57] The result of which is that our roads have deteriorated at a faster pace than road improvements are being implemented. [00:52:08] The result of which presents us this evening the opportunity to talk to you about a pavement management plan and Mr. Rivera will make a presentation to you. [00:52:20] We also have David Fleeman in attendance this evening from Genesis Engineering who can respond to some of your questions about the methodology that we're using to come up with a fair and equitable method of spreading the cost to the properties that will be benefited. Mr. Rivera? [00:52:42] I'm going to do a little PowerPoint here and try to give you an overview of the existing program as well as the one that we are proposing. [00:52:53] The request at the end that staff would be asking of Council is to review and consider for approval the pavement management plan as well as the assessment methodology. [00:53:05] And then we would additionally request that Council set a motion for a date if you should approve it. [00:53:20] The purpose of the pavement management plan was to create a high quality transportation system to the residents of New Port Richey. [00:53:30] Like we said, the current system has been identified as defective and not non-sustainable and so we wanted to create a sustainable pavement management plan that would ensure funding allocation for maintenance and operation as well as capital improvement of the transportation system. [00:53:52] If we could reach all of those goals, then we would expect that property values would increase. [00:54:00] Attached in your packet is a 2002 property praisers letter from Pasco County that stated that the properties could be affected as much as $5,000 to $6,000 with a new paved road. [00:54:18] And then of course, the possibility of lowering the millage rate would tie hand in hand with this, but it would not be immediate. [00:54:28] And then of course, we wanted to create a fair and equitable program. [00:54:38] Wanted to kind of give you a look at some of the existing conditions that we have to our transportation system now. [00:54:47] And so this right here is Massachusetts Avenue. [00:54:51] It's right in front of the Spartan Manor and I figured everybody was familiar with this. [00:54:56] And what we see here is a collector road that's basically deteriorating faster than we can perform rehabilitation on it. [00:55:05] You can see where the crews have made several patches to the existing overlay surface. [00:55:14] But just like a lot of things, you can make the repair the proper way by digging out and reconstructing the area. [00:55:22] But then what happens is you find out is that the surface that surrounds that corrective patch starts to deteriorate because it's still in decline. [00:55:35] This one is Hills Drive in a residential neighborhood just east of Congress Street. [00:55:43] And this is a residential street. [00:55:45] Just wanted to show you the difference between this and the collector road as far as trips per day traffic and the types of vehicles that go down this road versus the other road. [00:55:58] Same type of situation where you can see where city crews have done some patchwork. [00:56:03] The patchwork holds up, but then of course there's other areas that start to deteriorate. [00:56:09] And then finally I wanted to show you one last picture. [00:56:13] This one is Indiana Avenue just south of the hospital. [00:56:17] This road, although it is classified as a residential street, kind of serves both as a collector road as well because of the amount of traffic going to the hospital. [00:56:28] And you can see this as an overlay as well to where you're getting your alligator tracking in the front portion of it. [00:56:36] And then of course the overlay starts to open up and then you start your corrective measures. [00:56:43] Now the existing transportation program that we have in place, as I said, is deficient. [00:56:49] But the program itself includes the street and right-of-way maintenance division, the capital street improvement projects, and sidewalk projects. [00:57:00] There are approximately 70 miles of existing paved road system in the city's inventory and about 5.2 miles of existing unpaved alleyways. [00:57:13] The funding for this program is done, like the city manager had said, through local option gas tax funds, [00:57:22] the general fund transfers, and grants where applicable or available, and then assessments. [00:57:31] And so we're already assessing the property owners, but we're assessing the direct-to-benefit property owners. [00:57:40] And so when we look at our existing program, we say, okay, well, we feel like it's not sustainable, but then we also look at it as far as, [00:57:52] okay, are we keeping up with the program and maintaining the roads in the proper way? [00:57:58] And of course we don't feel that we are. [00:58:01] Our last transportation project was completed by the city in 2011. [00:58:06] The funding sources for that project were used with local option gas tax dollars and the assessments to the benefiting property owners. [00:58:16] To give you a little bit of background, the city council would meet as a board of equalization. [00:58:22] And during that session, they would determine typically what type of percentage they would contribute to the project. [00:58:31] Typically for a residential street, council would end up paying a 50% share, and that share typically came from local option gas tax funds. [00:58:44] If you had a collector road, an example, the 2011 project was Marine Parkway. [00:58:49] The city had elected to contribute 65%, and the benefiting property owners were responsible for 35%. [00:58:59] The method of payment, and remember we talked about the sustainability, and we talked about a fairness. [00:59:06] The method of payment created a problem. [00:59:10] You had two ways that you could pay. [00:59:14] The first one was what we would wish everyone would do, was immediate payment of the total amount invoiced to you. [00:59:21] Or the second option that you had was a 10-year loan with interest. [00:59:27] And so when we talk about deficiencies, we start talking about sustainability. [00:59:33] And there were a lot of things that these projects were based on. [00:59:37] Your expenditures, though, were going out faster than what your revenues were being collected to pay for these projects. [00:59:48] You had more people were taking the loans over the 10 years. [00:59:52] We were doing a project about every three years. [00:59:55] And then you had some that had non-payments. [00:59:59] The [01:00:00] Process time, like I had said, was averaging near three years. [01:00:05] Each time that we did one of these projects, instead of everyone sharing the roadway network [01:00:12] improvements, it was just the people that was having the road paved in front of their [01:00:17] homes. [01:00:19] An assessment role had to be created for each project. [01:00:22] Once we completed that, we had to have public hearings and start to design, which before [01:00:28] we even got to that, we had already spent about nine months on that. [01:00:33] The increased project, or the increased cost, was partly due to the extended time frame. [01:00:41] Not only were we short of funds to be able to perform these projects on a timely basis, [01:00:48] we also had to go through this process, which made that time take such a long time that [01:00:56] our roads were degrading faster than what we were taking and performing the projects. [01:01:03] Not all of the benefiting property owners in this type of program shared equal cost. [01:01:11] In other words, this program was based on an ERU, which was based on the footage of [01:01:18] someone's property in front. [01:01:21] There were some projects where we did a street project in a collector road, and the property [01:01:27] owners that were on that street didn't pay anything for their road improvements. [01:01:34] If we had charged for a single family home, and say there was one person living in that [01:01:41] home with one car versus the neighbor living next door that had a family of four, two working [01:01:51] adults and maybe two school children that drove, they paid for their portion of their [01:02:00] road in front of their house, but they were actually deteriorating the network by the [01:02:05] amount of cars that they had versus someone that just had one. [01:02:10] There were some problems that came along with the existing problem that, basically, [01:02:16] we were looking at and we were asking ourselves, okay, how can we make it more fair for everyone? [01:02:22] How can we have it sustainable to where we can be able to do these projects to where [01:02:28] the industry standard is a 20-year design criteria? [01:02:35] When you look at this, this program, even though we were doing some projects, was deficient [01:02:42] in every avenue that you can look at. [01:02:49] What we needed to do, we knew we had a problem, but what we needed to do was to start and [01:02:55] find out what kind of system we had. [01:02:57] We needed to update it and get current conditions. [01:03:00] Therefore, we contracted with the Genesis Group to perform the 2015 Roadway Needs Assessment [01:03:05] Report. [01:03:07] This purpose was to update our geographic information system database, or GIS. [01:03:12] It was to assist us in making decisions regarding funding and assessing roadway improvements, [01:03:18] and then, finally, prioritizing roadway maintenance and improvement projects. [01:03:25] The Needs Assessment Report was based upon a pavement surface evaluation rating system, [01:03:32] or the PACER system, that was created by the University of Wisconsin-Madison and is widely [01:03:38] used. [01:03:39] This rating system based the roadway services numerically on a one to ten basis, one being [01:03:46] the worst condition. [01:03:49] It did identify that 80% of the city's existing paved streets were rated between a six and [01:03:55] an eight, but the key factor there comes in with this next slide. [01:04:01] The majority of our street surfaces are more than ten years old, and the design standards [01:04:06] like we talked about, you're designing a road for 20 years. [01:04:11] Your ride quality drops by 40% once that road reaches 75% of its lifespan. [01:04:18] The problem that you have is trying to find a program that you can catch up with all the [01:04:28] time that you've lost before your costs start to escalate. [01:04:33] Once you lose a certain part of a road, now you go directly from just a standard overlay [01:04:41] to a reconstruction, and your reconstruction costs really escalate your costs. [01:04:50] The recommendations of the plan was for the city to create a pavement management plan [01:04:55] that includes maintenance and capital elements based on a 20-year design criteria at a cost [01:05:02] estimated to be $1.7 million, or an average of 3.47 miles yearly. [01:05:12] We wanted to identify a sustainable funding source capable of funding the roadway maintenance [01:05:17] costs and capital resurfacing, reconstructions, and do that under the guidelines of the 2016 [01:05:26] Florida Statutes Chapter 170, which allows municipalities to perform these types of programs. [01:05:35] We wanted to make that assessment methodology to be fair and equitable to all benefiting [01:05:41] property owners, and then, like I had said, we recognized that repaving of these streets [01:05:46] could have a benefiting effect as far as helping with property values and lowering millage [01:05:53] rates. [01:05:57] The proposed methodology that we had all agreed upon consisted of an equivalent assessment [01:06:05] unit, or an EAU. [01:06:08] This EAU was based upon the average parcel's acreage, whether it was vacant or developed, [01:06:15] compared to the total acreage within the city, excluding right-of-ways, etc. [01:06:21] The second half of the assessment computing was an equivalent residential unit, or ERU, [01:06:28] and the existing program that we use now, I had mentioned, is based upon the frontage [01:06:34] of the road in front of the benefiting property owner. [01:06:39] The ERU that we have based our methodology on is frequency of usage attributed to each [01:06:48] class of property, or the average trip daily generated. [01:06:54] Vacant lots are not assessed for this portion of the methodology. [01:06:59] Non-residential commercial properties have a 50% discount of trip counts to take into [01:07:04] consideration for the customers not using the city's transportation network. [01:07:09] In other words, if you had a commercial building like the Publix that's off of US Highway 19, [01:07:16] we're saying that we understand that 50% of your customers are coming up 19 from Pasco [01:07:27] County and they are not using or contributing to the decline of the city's road network. [01:07:34] We try to accommodate, or not penalize them for that, deduct the 50% on the trips generated. [01:07:44] The annual ERU assessment cost is $3.81 per trip, which in a single family home averages [01:07:57] out to 9.52 trips per day. [01:08:04] That part of the assessment came out to $36.26 per year. [01:08:12] The EAU assessment, and that one's based on the parcel size, came out to $49.16 annually. [01:08:23] For an average single family home, that was based about on $264.52 per acre, meaning the [01:08:35] total acreage of the city. [01:08:38] The average single family home was listed at .186 acres. [01:08:48] What that actually did was benefit some of the larger properties to where they paid less [01:08:55] of a share because it wasn't based on the footage as the existing program is. [01:09:01] The total average non-ad valorem assessment for a single family home came out to $85.42, [01:09:09] which averaged out to $17.12 a month. [01:09:15] The revenues collected with this methodology came out to the engineer's recommendation [01:09:22] of $1,275,000 annually. [01:09:28] The local option estimated revenues for this project that the city recoups is $425,000. [01:09:37] When you add those two together, that gives us that $1.7 million that would sustain both [01:09:43] the capital and the operating and maintenance program according to the 20-year design criteria [01:09:50] that we have. [01:09:51] Mr. Rivera, real quick, I just did the calculation here based on $85.42 a year. [01:09:57] You said $17.00 per household per month. [01:10:00] If I take $85.42 and divide that by 12, that's $7.12 a month, not $17.00. [01:10:09] I'm sorry. [01:10:12] You're correct. [01:10:15] And so our request is that council consider this proposed program management plan and [01:10:24] the assessment methodology used. [01:10:27] And if you do approve it, we would request that you give us a motion to where we could [01:10:31] have a date as far as starting our public hearings. [01:10:36] Mr. David Fleeman performed the detailed work on the table that's attached to your packet [01:10:43] that actually talks about the different charges. [01:10:47] So if any of you have any detailed questions on that type of thing, I'd be glad to answer [01:10:54] those questions. [01:10:55] But basically, we have a program in place that's inadequate. [01:11:01] We haven't performed a street project since 2011, and somehow if we don't start moving, [01:11:12] we're going to be in trouble. [01:11:14] And I would like to say that the cost that we've derived with this is based on about [01:11:20] a million dollars' worth of projects annually. [01:11:23] The $86.00 is a high point to where we're proposing a five-year review, and that when [01:11:34] we do the assessment rolls and we do review the funding that comes in, it is expected [01:11:42] that this number will have a steady decline when it comes to those capital projects once [01:11:47] we get on track. [01:11:50] Because the one thing that we have to realize, too, is the $400,000 that's projected to come [01:11:58] in from local option gas tax, every project that we do, roadway project that we do annually, [01:12:06] will increase that dollar amount. [01:12:08] And so that dollar amount is expected to increase, and when that dollar amount increases [01:12:13] from the local option gas tax because of the improvements that we're doing, then the initial [01:12:20] non-ad valorem assessment can go down. [01:12:23] So we're expecting this to be on the high end, five-year adjustment with each year hopefully [01:12:28] meeting those two together, as well as increasing the property values. [01:12:34] But it's a matter of trying to veer off from the deficient program that we have currently [01:12:42] and move over to one that's more efficient and sustainable. [01:12:48] Thank you. [01:12:49] Open this up for public comment. [01:12:52] Seeing no one come forward, bring it back to Council. [01:12:56] We discussed this a bit during the work session. [01:12:58] I just can't help my mind as an insurance agent comparing this to how the concept of [01:13:03] insurance works. [01:13:04] In insurance, people pay their premiums, you spread the risk, and it helps lower people's [01:13:09] premiums. [01:13:13] The more people on board basically, the less you pay, and it's just about spreading the [01:13:18] risk, pulling the risk, except we're not spreading risk here. [01:13:23] We're just spreading the cost, and the current system isn't working. [01:13:28] So we have to do something. [01:13:31] Like we said, I agree with Mr. Phillips, you called this the assessment, it's a tax. [01:13:36] We're asking our residents for more money to improve our city roads is the bottom line. [01:13:43] You come up with a system that you think will work, and hopefully this is worst case scenario, [01:13:48] at $7.09 a month, but we're falling behind. [01:13:53] We're setting higher standards for our city, and we're trying to cover all the bases and [01:13:59] put the puzzle together, and this is one of the pieces to the puzzle. [01:14:03] This budget season is my least favorite part of the job sitting up here, because we make [01:14:08] decisions that affect people's wallet and their expenses on a weekly, monthly, annual [01:14:15] basis, and it's not an easy thing to do by any means, but $7.09 a month, I think most [01:14:23] people can afford that, and like you said, we have to look at the long term. [01:14:27] It's going to hopefully increase property values, which will allow us to lower the millage [01:14:31] rate and improve just the overall appearance and livability of our city limits. [01:14:37] So it's a tough decision, but we have to do something, because the current system just [01:14:43] isn't working. [01:14:44] Well, and I think that there was the one other good thing that we've got with this system [01:14:49] is that if the cost of the road program goes down, then everybody benefits in that cost [01:14:58] reduction. [01:15:00] If we maintain the same program that we have now and we perform our next road project and [01:15:07] say the cost is $100 a foot, well, say next year we do another one and that cost goes [01:15:15] down to $75, those few people that did the project in the previous year are still going [01:15:24] to be paying that higher cost. [01:15:27] And so the way we figured it is if we can get a sustainable program, we can get these [01:15:33] projects to where we can get caught up, then as the numbers are reduced, then you're correct. [01:15:41] If everybody's paying in it, then they benefit from the reduction as well. [01:15:47] Some years ago we got hit at our house with a paving assessment and it was pretty healthy [01:15:56] as I recall. [01:16:00] Spending $85 or $90 a year and not having that big hit hit me, from my perspective at [01:16:07] least, it's a lot easier to deal with than having you guys show up and give me a bill [01:16:13] for four figures. [01:16:15] And that's a great point. [01:16:16] I meant to bring that up as well. [01:16:17] When I bought my home, the gentleman we bought it from, our road had been paved and he was [01:16:22] assessed and he hadn't paid at all. [01:16:24] And I always, not that I buy a lot of homes, but I had a real estate attorney representing [01:16:29] me at the title closing and whatnot and they caught that. [01:16:31] They tried transferring that unpaid balance along with the house and it was caught. [01:16:38] So even individuals that can't afford to pay it are just going to pay that monthly amount [01:16:43] because they don't want to write that big check and if they're thinking, yeah, I might [01:16:47] be able to sell my home and transfer this, sometimes it may not be caught by title insurance. [01:16:51] I don't know. [01:16:52] In my case, it was, but it's just an example of someone that could afford to pay it but [01:16:57] kept putting it off and just going with the loan program because he knew that he was going [01:17:01] to sell his home and so even the people that have the money to pay it up front still don't [01:17:08] do it. [01:17:09] Yes, question. [01:17:10] So just so that I'm understanding this correctly, and again, principle of insurance. [01:17:21] So everyone will be taxed the $84 a year and then if we have road work that needs to be [01:17:27] done then the homeowner whose property that road is in front of will not get that billing [01:17:35] that we... [01:17:36] Correct. [01:17:37] Okay. [01:17:38] It will be similar to the, as far as when your bill comes to you, it will be similar like [01:17:44] the stormwater utility. [01:17:47] Once a year, we'll give the assessment roll to Pasco County once a year and notify them [01:17:53] that we intend on having this put in the non-ad valorem tax base and then we would expect [01:18:01] to design and pave 3.7 miles a year so we would be doing a three to one because we do [01:18:13] have an existing program now no matter how absent it is. [01:18:21] Entertain a motion. [01:18:22] I have a question first. [01:18:23] Sure, go ahead. [01:18:24] It would seem to what you said, it seems like about 10 to 12 years out we're going to have [01:18:33] a lot of major road problems and this is kind of a set figure of let's say three and a half [01:18:39] miles per year for 20 years to get to 70 miles. [01:18:43] What happens in the situation we get 10 years out and we need six or nine miles done in [01:18:49] that year? [01:18:50] How is that going to be handled? [01:18:52] The needs assessment report that we performed in 2015 addressed that problem and we actually [01:19:00] attach the introduction to your packet where it calls out that the pavement plan would [01:19:09] consist of doing the collector roads at the beginning. [01:19:13] That would be the priority and we would follow that. [01:19:16] That needs assessment report is similar to a master plan to where it kind of dictates [01:19:22] and it's rated the condition of each one of the roadways that we have to where we can [01:19:27] hit those at the beginning. [01:19:29] The purpose of doing your collector roads first is because of the amount of traffic [01:19:35] that gets on those roads versus a residential area? [01:19:38] I understand that. [01:19:39] I understand that. [01:19:40] I understand that. [01:19:41] What I'm saying is that in your little speech you said it looks like we've got a larger [01:19:47] amount of roads that are going to be needed repair in 10 to 12 years, not 15, not 18, [01:19:54] not 20. [01:19:55] What happens when we have a large amount? [01:19:57] Do we just pick and choose and patch the others as we go through this three and a half mile [01:20:04] of the year? [01:20:07] We wouldn't pick and choose. [01:20:10] We would follow that ... I can't hear anybody. [01:20:14] We wouldn't pick and choose. [01:20:15] We would follow the first five cycles of the existing report and then ... [01:20:20] Hello? [01:20:21] Hello? [01:20:23] Hello? [01:20:24] He's not on mute, is he? [01:20:28] Hello? [01:20:29] Can you hear us now? [01:20:34] Robert, to follow up on that, correct me if what you just said ... We're not going to [01:20:43] only do three and a half miles per year, are we? [01:20:48] That's what the average is, would be three and a half. [01:20:50] That would give us our 20-year design and the 70,000 miles. [01:20:55] It was based upon, I believe, the average width of 24 feet. [01:21:00] It was based upon a certain percentage of reconstruction of the areas of the roadways. [01:21:06] If we can hit those collector roads where you would see greater deterioration first, [01:21:12] then it is anticipated that we could accelerate the road reconstruction and arrive at that [01:21:20] number faster than what we're proposing. [01:21:24] We're giving you a worst case scenario as far as being able to get to the 20-year mark [01:21:31] to reconstruct the roads. [01:21:33] You're going to have some residential roads aren't 24 feet wide. [01:21:38] Some of them aren't as bad. [01:21:40] Some of them won't deteriorate as fast. [01:21:43] If we can get a program up and running that's going to get us at least 3.47 miles a year, [01:21:51] then we can hit a lot of those problem areas that's been identified. [01:21:55] It might buy us some time, or we might be able to proceed faster than what we're anticipating. [01:22:03] Would you say from the get-go that the monies that would be generated as a result of this [01:22:08] would match about what you'd be able to do? [01:22:13] If you determined where you're going to start and what streets you're going to do and a [01:22:17] resident comes and says, well, where am I in that project? [01:22:21] Correct. [01:22:22] We could kind of narrow it down as far as a time frame. [01:22:27] Right now we wait a couple years, three years to get enough money from local option gas [01:22:31] tax to be able to perform a project and nothing's happening but maintenance. [01:22:35] Whereas now if you have those funds, just like everyone said, if people are choosing [01:22:42] to make monthly payments, we're performing three projects before we ever get that person's [01:22:49] money back, and that's if they pay on time. [01:22:54] This gives us those revenues, a sustainable program to where we can say, you know what? [01:23:00] Yes, we can perform on an annual basis 3.47 miles at the worst case scenario, and that [01:23:10] will catch us up, or we might be able to do it and expedite and perform those repairs [01:23:18] a lot sooner than later. [01:23:20] And the fact that we ... [01:23:21] I have one other question. [01:23:22] Go ahead. [01:23:23] Oh, thank you. [01:23:25] The fact that we were using a plan that is ineffective or is not sustainable, whatever [01:23:32] word you want to use, and now we're looking at this plan. [01:23:35] In the world of this, are there any other options? [01:23:41] Not that I know of. [01:23:42] Most of the ... I want to say there are different options that the different agencies can use, [01:23:52] but this one seems to be, from our research, the one that is the most reliable. [01:24:02] There's a lot of agencies that I think Pasco County, if I ... has been talking about wanting [01:24:07] to proceed with something like this as well, because you're just ... we can use them as [01:24:13] an example. [01:24:14] You can see the road network that they have as well, and you're doing public hearings [01:24:21] every other year or every three years to try to get these projects done, and everyone's [01:24:27] using the road. [01:24:30] You're not just leaving the front of your property and then stopping at your property [01:24:36] line. [01:24:37] You're going to church, you're going to the grocery store, you're going to different functions, [01:24:41] and so some of the people travel more on a road that the people have paid for under our [01:24:49] current system than the people themselves. [01:24:51] Thank you. [01:24:53] Councilman Davis? [01:24:54] Yeah, I'm sorry. [01:24:56] I didn't hear your answer at all, Robert. [01:25:01] Once I ask my question, I didn't hear an answer, but I think I've got the idea. [01:25:05] The other question is, are we going to hear from the waste haulers and the residents because [01:25:12] they felt that they got a 10, 15% charge on their cash, and that money was supposedly [01:25:21] going to the road. [01:25:22] Are we going to hear from the residents and the haulers on that? [01:25:27] I don't think that you will hear from the trash haulers. [01:25:31] The trash haulers were allowed to perform a pass-through on that franchise fee, and [01:25:37] so the only cost that they're incurring technically is just the collection of those funds. [01:25:43] Crystal can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that that was sort of like one of [01:25:46] those red light camera issues that we had projected a large amount of revenues, and [01:25:52] we found out that that's just a very small percentage of what we had expected. [01:25:58] Let me just do the math on my own house. [01:26:04] I went from $33 to $36, so that costed me $3, so you're saying it's going to be three [01:26:12] and change and seven and change, so really it's costing me $10, and I'd expect to hear [01:26:18] that from the residents. [01:26:21] I'm not sure if I understand that question. [01:26:24] He's saying between the franchise fee and the waste haulers that passed. [01:26:27] I can't hear anything. [01:26:29] I'm just telling Mr. Rivera if I understand. [01:26:31] I can't hear a word. [01:26:32] I think he's saying that between this and then the franchise fee for the waste haulers [01:26:37] that's passed through, if he's paying $3 a month on that, this is $7 a month. [01:26:41] Can he expect to hear residents say $10 a month? [01:26:45] Yes, he could. [01:26:46] He could expect someone to come in, like I was saying. [01:26:49] He's probably not going to hear the trash haulers complain, but yes, he very well could [01:26:53] hear a resident come in and say, okay, well, I'm getting charged for this, but now if you're [01:26:57] going to institute a program like this, where's my refund or reduction or something? [01:27:04] Yes, that very well could happen. [01:27:07] Hello? [01:27:09] Councilman Davis, are you there? [01:27:13] Hello? [01:27:17] Councilman Davis, if you can hear us, are you on a cell phone? [01:27:23] No idea. [01:27:24] Once again, I didn't hear a thing. [01:27:27] Can you hear me? [01:27:30] No, I can't. [01:27:33] What happened? [01:27:36] I don't know, but to follow up with your question, yes, you could probably have a resident complain [01:27:41] that, now that we've instituted this program and they're still paying the franchise fee [01:27:48] from the waste haulers, that that's a very legitimate possibility. [01:27:54] Thank you. [01:27:56] Thank you. [01:27:59] Deputy Mayor. [01:28:00] Yes, Mr. Mayor, thank you very much. [01:28:03] It looks like there's two or three things that are happening here, Robert. [01:28:08] One is, if we don't do road projects to some degree, we lose our ability to apply them [01:28:15] against the local option gas tax funds. [01:28:18] Obviously, when you lose that money, you lose it for a period of time. [01:28:24] I think your statement that we haven't done any roadway projects, we haven't done any [01:28:32] residential roadway projects to speak of. [01:28:35] We've done East Main Street out to Rowan. [01:28:40] We just did Plath Road as something that would go against local option gas tax money, because [01:28:48] those were projects that were done by the city on linear miles that we have responsibility [01:28:55] for. [01:28:57] Mr. Davis' question was on point in that what happens in nine years, but it appears that [01:29:05] in the overview that we did to get to at least the first five-year plan, that you would replicate [01:29:13] that somewhere around year four, so it would take you out to year 10, so you would really [01:29:19] hopefully not get to that point where you've got a pent-up nine miles of road that has [01:29:24] to be done in one year. [01:29:27] In essence, because obviously you've set the model in place, and it appears that most of [01:29:36] the model that's being put in place is being done on feeder roads or high-impact roads, [01:29:44] Congress, Grand Boulevard, Main Street, all those. [01:29:49] In most cases, all of our residents are using those roads on a regular basis as opposed [01:29:57] to what happens in their neighborhood. [01:30:00] My only thing is, and I mentioned it earlier in our work session, is I want to be clearly [01:30:06] known. [01:30:07] If I'm looking at this methodology, and I'm looking at being able to set this pool of [01:30:14] funds that's going to be dedicated for roadways, because part of the ad valorem money that's [01:30:22] been collected over the last 25 years should have, in some ways, been allocated to that, [01:30:27] but other needs came in the way. [01:30:30] The economy shrunk. [01:30:32] We provide services, and we provide salaries, benefits, and all those other things, and [01:30:39] those obviously take away from those projects that could have been roadway-driven, but also [01:30:46] if they would have been done in a residential, we'd had to go through this board of equalization, [01:30:51] which some of us have sat on, and some of us had our parents been impacted by it over [01:30:56] the years. [01:30:57] As you're absolutely right, you do the project, but if they take the payout, that's 10 years [01:31:02] with interest, and in most cases, you're already into 30 miles worth of road, and you're only [01:31:09] being reimbursed for that first three miles, maybe by the end of that. [01:31:14] You're absolutely right. [01:31:15] The dynamic doesn't work. [01:31:17] What I want to make sure people understand is if we look at this funding mechanism, I'm [01:31:21] looking at finding a way to make the ad valorem be adjusted back, because I feel that's some [01:31:30] of the same dollars, but now we're earmarking it for these roadways, and at some point over [01:31:37] the next 15 years or 17 years, everybody's road, you would hope, in some way, would be [01:31:43] redone, because basically what the report says, or the numbers you gave are 80% of the [01:31:50] 70 miles today is in fairly decent shape. [01:31:54] It's okay. [01:31:55] That's 56 miles, so I'm looking at 14 right out of the gate, and just with the purview [01:32:03] that if we were looking at this, that we would update that report, that outward look report, [01:32:11] at least in year three or four, so we know what we're doing incrementally out there, [01:32:16] so people know when their roadway is coming, and obviously, as I also said, just wanted [01:32:23] to make sure that I'm looking at an ad valorem adjustment to go along with this, because [01:32:28] it is targeted funds, so that's kind of where I am, Mr. Mayor. [01:32:32] Thank you. [01:32:33] Entertain a motion? [01:32:36] I'll move to approve. [01:32:38] We have a motion. [01:32:39] Do we have a second? [01:32:40] Second. [01:32:41] To the maker. [01:32:42] Once again, it's a tough one. [01:32:43] I appreciate it. [01:32:44] I have to make the motion, but I don't see another way to get our roads where they need [01:32:46] to be. [01:32:47] Mr. Second? [01:32:48] No, I just think that we need to move the ball down the court, and I think we need to [01:32:54] figure out where we're at with all the logistics and all the moving numbers, but I also want [01:32:59] to be able to prove to people what it is that we're going to deliver day one through the [01:33:06] process. [01:33:07] Councilman Davis? [01:33:08] I just want to make sure that we maximize our social media so the public can come to [01:33:17] the work session or whatever we're calling it, because they get total knowledge of it [01:33:27] and are welcome to make sure they get there. [01:33:30] Thank you. [01:33:31] Councilwoman? [01:33:32] I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. [01:33:33] Go ahead. [01:33:34] As part of the process, every property owner would receive a letter from the city advising [01:33:38] them of the date and time that you schedule for the hearing to be conducted. [01:33:42] Thank you. [01:33:43] Thank you. [01:33:44] Councilwoman? [01:33:45] I think it would be important as well for us to have a narrative, again, explaining [01:33:49] it prior to that in simple English, and I think the comparative of insurance is a good [01:33:58] one that people will understand, you know, spreading the risk, so to speak, and again, [01:34:04] we can advertise our newsletter on our website and whatever other social media. [01:34:10] Perhaps even the press can help us on that one. [01:34:13] Thank you. [01:34:14] Well, I'm sure Mr. Knapper will make sure that that's highly focused. [01:34:19] Yes, ma'am. [01:34:20] We also need to schedule, have a motion for when we're going to have the public hearing [01:34:25] the date. [01:34:26] That's right. [01:34:27] That's right. [01:34:28] I'll second this motion. [01:34:33] And I have no comments other than I agree that it's a good idea to get this out of the [01:34:39] special assessment business and just get it where we're having to do the equalization [01:34:46] hearing and all that nonsense, and just get it down to an annual flat rate that we can [01:34:50] deal with. [01:34:52] There's no further discussion on this motion. [01:34:54] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:34:57] Aye. [01:34:58] Opposed, like sign. [01:35:00] Now we need to set a, need a motion to set a date for a hearing. [01:35:04] Do we have a recommendation? [01:35:05] August. [01:35:06] It would be August as soon as we could, and I'm not sure that, that we, we might not want [01:35:13] it on a council meeting Tuesday. [01:35:16] We might want to have it on a standard. [01:35:18] I think it ought to be a special meeting. [01:35:19] Right. [01:35:20] A special meeting. [01:35:21] I think it ought to stand on its own two feet. [01:35:22] Exactly. [01:35:23] It ought to stand on its own two feet. [01:35:24] Right. [01:35:26] Two hours before they get here, because, you know, so, I agree, I think. [01:35:31] I think it ought to be. [01:35:32] What about the last, what about the last Tuesday in August? [01:35:33] That would be great. [01:35:34] That would give us enough time. [01:35:35] Okay, last Tuesday in August. [01:35:36] I think I'll be out of town. [01:35:37] I'm just kidding. [01:35:38] You guys are bailing on this. [01:35:39] I seriously think I will be out of town. [01:35:40] Thanks a lot, guys. [01:35:41] It makes the motion, it makes the motion, and then he'll be out of town. [01:35:42] Let me know how it goes. [01:35:43] Okay. [01:35:44] Okay. [01:35:45] Okay. [01:35:46] Okay. [01:35:47] Okay. [01:35:48] Okay. [01:35:49] Okay. [01:35:50] Okay. [01:35:51] Okay. [01:35:52] Okay. [01:35:53] Okay. [01:35:54] Okay. [01:35:56] Okay. [01:35:57] Okay. [01:35:58] Okay. [01:35:59] Okay. [01:36:00] Okay. [01:36:01] Okay. [01:36:02] Deputy Mayor, did you want to make that in the form of a motion, please? [01:36:03] Make a motion that we have this special meeting to discuss this street valuation program last [01:36:17] Tuesday in ... [01:36:20] Election day. [01:36:21] Be careful. [01:36:22] No, that's right. [01:36:23] Judy will be working, so that's ... [01:36:24] Let's just check one. [01:36:25] This is August 30th. [01:36:26] We might be running into Labor Day weekend. [01:36:27] We just determined that was Election Day, Mr. Davis, so ... [01:36:28] The 23rd. [01:36:29] That's the 4th. [01:36:30] Okay. [01:36:31] Does it need to be on a Tuesday? [01:36:32] No. [01:36:33] No, the 23rd is the 4th Tuesday. [01:36:34] Yeah, the 30th is the 5th Tuesday, so we could do it on the 4th. [01:36:35] 4th Tuesday. [01:36:36] Okay. [01:36:37] Okay. [01:36:38] Okay. [01:36:39] Okay. [01:36:40] Okay. [01:36:41] Okay. [01:36:42] Okay. [01:36:43] Okay. [01:36:44] Okay. [01:36:45] Okay. [01:36:46] Okay. [01:36:47] Okay. [01:36:48] Okay. [01:36:49] Okay. [01:36:50] Okay. [01:36:51] Okay. [01:36:52] Okay. [01:36:53] Thank you. [01:36:54] Okay. [01:36:55] Okay. [01:36:56] Okay. [01:36:57] Okay. [01:36:58] 24th. [01:36:59] Okay. [01:37:00] Okay. [01:37:01] I don't think that's on the ... [01:37:02] 24th is perfect. [01:37:03] Okay. [01:37:04] We got a second? [01:37:05] Second. [01:37:06] Any further discussion? [01:37:07] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. [01:37:08] Aye. [01:37:09] Aye. [01:37:10] Aye. [01:37:11] Opposed? [01:37:12] Opposed? [01:37:13] Like sign. [01:37:14] Do we want to continue on or do we want to take a five minute? [01:37:15] I think we can. [01:37:16] I think we can get through. [01:37:18] Thanks. [01:37:26] Order. [01:37:31] Next item is consideration of an alcoholic beverage special event permit for the Summer Concert Series. [01:37:37] Ms. Manz. [01:37:38] Mr. Mayor, members of the Council.

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17. 9.c

    Alcoholic Beverage Special Event Permit - Summer Concert Series

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    The Holiday Rotary Club requested an Alcoholic Beverage Special Event Permit to sell craft beer and wine at the three remaining Summer Concert Series events in Sims Park (July 9, July 23, August 6) from 7:00-9:30 PM, with proceeds to benefit the City's Youth Summer Camp Program. After significant debate over whether the city should be associated with alcohol sales at a city-sponsored event, the council discussed the proposal but the transcript cuts off before a final vote is recorded.

    • direction:Council suggested relocating the proposed beer/wine tent from the southeast to the northwest corner of Sims Park for better access and less prominent placement. (none)

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    [01:37:40] There are three concerts left in the City's Summer Concert Series. [01:37:46] As I understand it from the Recreation Director, she's had some recent conversation with the Holiday Rotary Club, [01:37:54] and they have offered to sell craft beer and wine at the Summer Concert Series in Sims Park. [01:38:01] If you approve their request to sell alcohol at the park, it would be on July 9th, July 23rd, and on August 6th. [01:38:13] The alcohol sales would begin at 7 o'clock p.m. and run until 9.30 p.m. each night. [01:38:22] As part of their commitment to the City, I'm understanding that they're willing to make a $500 contribution [01:38:35] to the City's Youth Summer Camp Program if the application is approved. [01:38:47] And Mrs. Jamie Mick is here this evening on behalf of the Holiday Rotary Club to represent the application. [01:38:53] Welcome, Ms. Mick. [01:38:55] I'll open this up for public comment. [01:39:06] Good evening, Council, Mayor, and staff. [01:39:09] My name is Jamie Mick. [01:39:10] I reside at 13232 Old Florida Circle in the City of Hudson. [01:39:15] I am past District Governor of Rotary here in the District, 6950. [01:39:19] I'm past President of the Rotary Club of Holiday. [01:39:21] I am the current Treasurer of the Endowment of the Rotary Club of Holiday, [01:39:26] and I'm here to represent the application before you. [01:39:30] First, I want to make sure that there are a few misnomes, I think, that have been communicated that might not be completely correct. [01:39:39] We are not the first Rotary Club that was approached in regards to partnering with the City. [01:39:44] The Rotary Club of Trinity was approached and declined the invitation to participate in this. [01:39:50] So I don't want there to be any misconstruing of any favoritism because Councilman Bella Thomas is a member of our club, [01:39:58] as well as the Chief of Police, Kim Bogart. [01:40:01] We are here to partner with the City in good faith. [01:40:04] We understood it to be a need, a desire, that was in cooperation with this event. [01:40:11] So our goal simply is to provide some additional help in an event that we wanted to support the City in. [01:40:18] As far as the donation, I can't give you a number, but what I did get from the Chairman, [01:40:23] and I have the immediate past Chairman of the Endowment here with me today, [01:40:27] is that we would submit an application, but we couldn't get all the Trustees to approve it in time [01:40:32] because we've been dealing with a pretty short timeline here. [01:40:35] But they definitely would consider, we just can't put a dollar amount on it, but it would definitely be under consideration. [01:40:41] But I can't promise you something that the Trustees didn't vote on. [01:40:46] That would be inappropriate. [01:40:48] The Trustees do have a right to vote, just as all of you do, as members of the Council. [01:40:54] I'm sorry, I understood that differently today when I had a conversation. [01:40:58] We were certainly trying to facilitate that, but it just couldn't make it all. [01:41:02] I couldn't get to everyone today and get the vote to do that. [01:41:05] So I can't tell you, yes, it's $500. [01:41:08] What I can tell you is, yes, it will be something, but I can't put a dollar amount on it. [01:41:12] May I ask you to ask them a question first? [01:41:15] Sure. [01:41:16] I guess the Trustees, if this were to be approved, we have no idea what your profits would be off the sales. [01:41:22] So it's tough to put a dollar figure on that at this point. [01:41:26] There's only three concerts left. [01:41:28] If it was approved, maybe a nominal fee for the first concert. [01:41:32] See how the sales turn out, what your profit is. [01:41:36] I'm a Rotary Club member, City of New Puerto Rico Rotary Club, [01:41:39] so I understand people aren't familiar with Rotary. [01:41:43] They raise money to support their community and other organizations throughout the world, actually. [01:41:48] And then maybe go with a percentage on the last two concerts based on the sales. [01:41:53] Again, because this is an unknown, if we were talking about the extravaganza, [01:41:57] the years of history, we're talking about something that's completely unknown [01:42:00] and a very short timeline in which this was brought to the board of the club. [01:42:04] They voted to go ahead and move forward with it, [01:42:07] but then the application process and bringing it in front of all of you, [01:42:10] just not enough time to get it all orchestrated with the holiday and travel. [01:42:15] Just couldn't get to everyone to make it happen. [01:42:17] But we've got everything in line as far as the application is concerned, [01:42:21] as well as the insurance which is provided by Rotary International to every club in the world. [01:42:26] So we're fine there as well. [01:42:30] Thank you. [01:42:31] Thank you. [01:42:32] Any other public comment? [01:42:38] Good evening. [01:42:39] Kevin Vance Ray, 5326 Darkmouth. [01:42:42] I'm not good at public speaking like you talked about today, [01:42:45] but I read an article in News New Port Richey by the mayor, and I have to agree with the mayor. [01:42:50] We don't need to turn our five-star park into a bar every time there's an event in there. [01:42:56] We've got plenty of bars. [01:42:57] If anybody, like me, likes to throw one back, I go to the tavern. [01:43:02] I think sometimes events in the park should be for families, family-oriented. [01:43:08] There's a lot of people that don't want to bring their kids around people drinking all the time, [01:43:11] and I think some events in our fine park should be just for families without alcohol. [01:43:17] I know the Rotary is a great organization. [01:43:19] I'd like to see them make money. [01:43:20] I'm sure we can find another place for them to make some money in our town, [01:43:24] but I have to agree if what the mayor is saying in that little news article, [01:43:29] we don't need a party in that park every time we have an event. [01:43:34] Thank you very much, folks. [01:43:36] Sir, can you spell your last name for me? [01:43:37] R-A-Y. [01:43:38] R-A-Y. [01:43:40] Anyone else? [01:43:45] Seeing no one else come forward, I'll bring it back to council. [01:43:47] And since I was mentioned, I am adamantly opposed to this. [01:43:52] I think it's a mistake for the city to be involved in the sale of alcohol. [01:43:56] If the Holiday Rotary wanted to have an event in Sims Park and serve alcohol with it, [01:44:02] along the lines of what Trinity Rotary did with the wine and cheese thing, [01:44:06] not only would I vote for it, I'd be there and buy a ticket. [01:44:10] But I do not believe that the city should be selling alcohol as part of a city-funded event. [01:44:19] And this is not like the Main Street Blast. [01:44:24] It's not like Chasco Fiesta where we're doing some sponsorships. [01:44:27] This is a city event. [01:44:29] I think that's a critical difference. [01:44:34] Additionally, I don't know how the Rotary could do this for free. [01:44:37] I think the state has a limit of three events that a nonprofit can get a license for alcohol sales. [01:44:46] And as was mentioned, they already have the Holiday Extravaganza. [01:44:49] This would put them at four. [01:44:51] So I think they'd be in violation of that list. [01:44:54] But be that as it may, my concern is I just don't think it's appropriate. [01:45:00] appropriate for the city to be involved in the sale of alcohol. [01:45:03] We have enough problems with alcohol in the downtown. [01:45:09] We have enough problems where we've [01:45:11] got to have extra police on duty every time [01:45:13] we have a special event with beer sales in the park. [01:45:19] I think it's a mistake, and I think [01:45:20] this is a massive shift in policy [01:45:24] that, quite frankly, has not been properly [01:45:28] noticed to the public. [01:45:30] And I think people will go bananas when they see it. [01:45:34] And with no disrespect at all for the Holiday Rotary, [01:45:37] they're a wonderful group. [01:45:38] I'm a Paul Harris fellow. [01:45:40] I appreciate what Rotary does. [01:45:43] But I think this is the wrong thing for us to do. [01:45:46] But since I can't make a motion, I'll [01:45:49] turn it over to my colleagues. [01:45:50] Miss Mick, could you come back up [01:45:52] so I could just ask you a question? [01:45:54] You have to speak in the microphone [01:45:55] so the people at home can hear you, [01:45:57] and it's recorded and everything. [01:46:00] I personally am OK with it. [01:46:02] I've been pushing for craft beer and wine and things [01:46:04] like that during concerts. [01:46:06] Not everyone may want to grab a beer while they're [01:46:08] sitting there watching the concert. [01:46:10] Somebody might want to grab a glass of wine. [01:46:12] I think there's a big difference here [01:46:14] between this and setting up a Bushlider or Budweiser truck [01:46:17] and charging a dollar a beer. [01:46:18] I mean, it's not where this is going by any means whatsoever. [01:46:23] As far as the city event goes, this is just my opinion. [01:46:26] I asked my wife today, I said, if we [01:46:28] went to the concert Saturday night, [01:46:29] would you know if that was put on by the city of New Port Richey, Greater New Port Richey Main Street, [01:46:34] the Chamber of Commerce? [01:46:35] Would you have any idea? [01:46:36] And she said, no. [01:46:38] I don't think the average person going to an event in the park [01:46:41] knows whether it's a city-sponsored event [01:46:43] or if it's a nonprofit. [01:46:48] The mayor is very passionate about this, [01:46:51] and I respect his opinion. [01:46:52] And he and I normally see eye to eye on things. [01:46:55] And whichever way this goes, I'm [01:46:58] not going to lose too much sleep over it. [01:47:00] It's not that big a deal to me. [01:47:02] But the reason I asked you up, do you [01:47:04] have any kind of idea of what it would look like? [01:47:07] Would you have a tent set up with a couple just [01:47:09] specially kegs and maybe some different wine options? [01:47:12] Right. [01:47:13] We would actually bring in product. [01:47:14] It would have to be poured into glasses because cups, [01:47:19] basically. [01:47:20] And then the wine that comes in the plastic cup thing [01:47:23] that they serve in. [01:47:25] There would be no beer truck or anything like that. [01:47:27] None of them will do that for an event this size [01:47:30] because it's an unknown. [01:47:31] They're not going to bring in a truck. [01:47:32] So it would be very low-key. [01:47:34] A tent, some high-end tables, or high-top tables in the back [01:47:37] so people could stand. [01:47:39] And basically, that's it. [01:47:41] To the question of the license, my understanding, [01:47:44] and again, I haven't been down there because you all [01:47:46] have to approve it first. [01:47:48] But my understanding is we get one license [01:47:50] which lists all three dates. [01:47:52] If they won't let us do that, then that [01:47:53] will be a challenge because we've already [01:47:55] pulled one license for this calendar year. [01:47:57] So that would lead us to, we'd have [01:47:59] to pick only two more events to actually participate in [01:48:03] because we wouldn't be able to pull a three. [01:48:05] We only get three per calendar year. [01:48:08] But my understanding, what I've been told before I get there [01:48:10] is we can get one license with the three dates on it. [01:48:14] And Ms. Mick, do you have a craft beer vendor in mind, [01:48:18] Escape or Big Storm? [01:48:19] Have you spoken to either of the local ones? [01:48:21] Yeah, we actually went back to the folks [01:48:22] that did the Trinity event and Jose [01:48:25] and asked Jose for the contact information for those folks. [01:48:28] Now, they donated that product to the Trinity Rotary. [01:48:31] We wouldn't ask them to donate it. [01:48:33] They've already made a donation to Rotary. [01:48:34] We'd simply be asking for them to provide it for us. [01:48:37] Right, so if you went with either one of those [01:48:41] distributors, brewers, they're both local brewers, [01:48:46] both Escape and Big Storm. [01:48:48] But I just, like I said, either way this goes, [01:48:50] I don't want the public thinking I'm [01:48:52] asking for big beer trucks for every concert [01:48:54] we have in the park. [01:48:56] As a city, Debbie and I have sat down [01:48:59] and had meetings over the past 12 to 18 months, [01:49:02] more than once, with promotional people [01:49:04] and trying to create cool events like this summer concert [01:49:08] series. [01:49:08] I'm very, very impressed with the Parks and Recreation [01:49:10] Department, everyone that got behind this [01:49:12] and created a free concert in the park. [01:49:13] But I mean, make no mistake about it, [01:49:15] there are parks all throughout the Tampa Bay area [01:49:17] that have beer events. [01:49:19] Tampa Bay, Curtis-Ixson Park, a buddy of mine [01:49:22] works for Brown Distributing. [01:49:23] The largest craft beer festival is at a public Tampa Park city [01:49:28] owned over by the Emily Arena in that area, I believe. [01:49:33] The Waterfront Park in St. Pete has numerous, numerous events [01:49:37] where they serve beer. [01:49:38] I'm not saying I want beer in the park every weekend [01:49:40] by any means. [01:49:42] However, on this particular subject, [01:49:44] with three concerts left and you set up a little tent [01:49:47] with some craft beer and wine, we [01:49:50] have to approve this every year if we were going [01:49:52] to do something like this. [01:49:53] See how it goes. [01:49:54] Try something different. [01:49:55] You're attracting a different crowd to the park. [01:49:57] We're not charging dollar beers, like I [01:49:58] say, with a huge beer truck with kegs on the side of it. [01:50:03] It's not anything like that. [01:50:04] It's not a Chasco type event. [01:50:07] It's a small, free concert in the park. [01:50:09] And if someone wants to grab a craft beer [01:50:10] and then head down to a bar afterwards, after the concert, [01:50:14] I've also heard something like this [01:50:17] would take away from the bar owners and restaurant [01:50:19] owners in town. [01:50:21] I don't agree with that either, because this event's [01:50:23] drawing people in downtown. [01:50:25] They might want to grab a beer during the concert [01:50:26] and say, hey, let's hit the Scar Bar. [01:50:28] Let's go to the Village. [01:50:29] Or it might be, watch the rest of the Rays game. [01:50:32] Events like this are drawing people down there. [01:50:33] They might have their first beer, glass of wine, [01:50:35] then want to go to a bar downtown and spend some money. [01:50:38] So that view, I don't agree with. [01:50:40] But I just want it to be known, if this passes tonight [01:50:43] or if it doesn't, it's not the end of the world for me [01:50:45] either way. [01:50:45] I just think it's trying something new in the park [01:50:48] during a free concert. [01:50:49] Sure, it's a city-sponsored concert. [01:50:51] But the Rotary Club is a phenomenal organization. [01:50:54] Maybe get a nominal fee for the first concert, [01:50:56] see how the sales go, and then donate 25%, 30%, 50%, [01:51:00] whatever everyone agrees on to, like I said, [01:51:02] the Parks and Recreation, whatever city department [01:51:05] or entity we want to use it for. [01:51:08] To me, it's just trying something different. [01:51:10] It's just a little beer tent. [01:51:11] With craft beer and wine, there's a big difference. [01:51:13] Like I said, I don't want to ruffle too many feathers. [01:51:16] That's just my two cents for now. [01:51:18] And again, just to add to that, the idea behind this [01:51:20] was a vision to enhance the event, certainly [01:51:23] not to be a detriment. [01:51:24] And for us as a club, we don't look [01:51:26] at it to be a large fundraiser. [01:51:28] We really look at it to be more of a fellowship [01:51:30] and a public image, being able to be out in the public [01:51:32] and be visible, that we've partnered with all of you [01:51:35] in an event that you've got established, [01:51:37] and we're there to enhance it. [01:51:39] It was never about the event. [01:51:40] It's not your wild game dinner, is it? [01:51:41] No, it's no wild game dinner. [01:51:44] And we're not looking to make a bunch of money. [01:51:45] We're looking to enhance what the city has already [01:51:48] got in place, and just be a good partner with you, [01:51:50] and try to make the event even more popular. [01:51:56] Councilwoman? [01:51:57] Yes, and I also wanted to say that as a nonprofit, [01:52:07] pulling those licenses, you do want [01:52:10] to capitalize to make it worth your while. [01:52:14] So the emphasis is on that we are just [01:52:18] trying to accommodate what we believed [01:52:20] to be a request on the part of the city to do this. [01:52:24] And I had mentioned in a couple of work sessions [01:52:30] before that attending these in other cities and other states, [01:52:38] it's just an enhancement to it. [01:52:40] So if it works out, great. [01:52:41] If it doesn't, you have your Saturday back. [01:52:47] Thank you. [01:52:49] Thank you, Mayor. [01:52:50] Yeah, thank you, Mayor. [01:52:53] When I was first asked about this, I said, first of all, [01:52:59] there were some naysayers about doing a summertime in the park [01:53:03] concert series. [01:53:04] Miss Smith took it on herself to make it happen. [01:53:11] And now other people want to do it other nights of the week [01:53:14] and all that, and that's fine. [01:53:16] My thing is that, and I was at the first one. [01:53:20] I saw the crowd mix. [01:53:22] It was a great night. [01:53:23] The weather turned out really perfect. [01:53:26] My comment back when I was asked about this [01:53:29] was, as long as it's just craft beer and wine, [01:53:33] I don't want to see a Bud Light. [01:53:35] I don't want to see a Mic Ultra. [01:53:38] I don't want to see any of that stuff. [01:53:39] It's for two hours. [01:53:41] I really want to test drive it. [01:53:43] I mean, somebody told Elaine, this isn't going to work. [01:53:47] It's too hot. [01:53:48] Nobody's going to come out to your events. [01:53:50] Nobody's going to come out to your thing. [01:53:52] First night, there was a couple hundred people there. [01:53:56] Sean Brown, the guy, did a fabulous job. [01:53:58] Had a singer there. [01:54:00] It was really a comfortable evening. [01:54:02] If there was a craft beer there, I might have partaked. [01:54:08] My other thing in looking at the application, [01:54:10] I wanted to make sure it wasn't right [01:54:12] in the middle of the park, right in the middle of the grass area. [01:54:16] Because I got politicians that showed up [01:54:18] the day we opened the daggum park, thought they owned it, [01:54:21] were out there getting their petition cards signed, [01:54:23] big ass table, walking everything down, [01:54:26] just thought it was poor taste. [01:54:28] So this seems to me to be very low key. [01:54:33] It's meant to enhance what is a jazz concert. [01:54:38] I'm not sure the blend, we wouldn't do it [01:54:42] at summertime in the park, and we definitely [01:54:44] wouldn't do it over around the park itself. [01:54:47] Doesn't make any sense. [01:54:49] So to me, it was one of those things, [01:54:52] I said, it doesn't really move me one way or the other. [01:54:55] I just think it's a nice amenity to go along, [01:54:58] and it's two and a half hours. [01:55:00] It's like me inviting you over to my house [01:55:02] and saying, hey, come on over, have one or two, [01:55:05] make sure we're in good shape, and down on the road. [01:55:07] So at the end of the day, I thought [01:55:10] it was going to be a net appreciation for this. [01:55:18] And we all don't want to open the door [01:55:21] and invite everybody in and do all that. [01:55:23] And that's the reason we get to sit up here and say yes, no. [01:55:27] We don't say maybe much, we get pretty much on the line. [01:55:31] And to me, I just thought it was a, [01:55:34] I can't prove if it works or it doesn't work until you do it. [01:55:40] So if you do the first one and you say, [01:55:42] hey, we really bombed out, we'd rather [01:55:45] have our next one in July and August back, I'm OK with that. [01:55:49] So thanks. [01:55:51] Mr. Phillips, if I might just interject, [01:55:55] I think the map is showing the tent on the east side [01:55:59] of the park, the southeast. [01:56:02] And knowing what we know about coming in and out of the park, [01:56:07] we're thinking that actually the northwest section [01:56:11] would be a better place this way, [01:56:14] especially transporting in whatever [01:56:16] is behind that big wall. [01:56:18] And then we could just, whomever could just walk in that way. [01:56:20] I think that would be the best. [01:56:21] Right, not everyone's passing it when you walk in. [01:56:23] It's over here if you want to partake. [01:56:24] But not shoving it in your face as you're entering the. [01:56:27] And also for the ease of bringing [01:56:30] in the supplies and the tents whenever. [01:56:32] That's an easier place to do. [01:56:34] It's a lot to transport. [01:56:35] Because when you have, when you do have a beer truck, [01:56:37] everything's on the truck. [01:56:38] You just drive the truck. [01:56:38] We won't be able to do that. [01:56:40] So you're going to have to transport from that parking lot [01:56:43] to where we're actually doing the sales. [01:56:44] So that would be better for us and be easier. [01:56:47] Because you're only going to have probably about four to six, [01:56:50] maybe eight Rotarians there that'll be selling. [01:56:54] So it's not a lot of bodies to do all that moving. [01:56:57] Northwest corner. [01:56:59] Makes more sense. [01:57:00] Councilman Davis. [01:57:02] Yeah, first I'd like to say that from what I know, [01:57:06] our nonprofit licenses, you can have three licenses a year. [01:57:12] And each license can be up to three days. [01:57:15] That being said, I think that's what the rule is. [01:57:18] So they would be using a license each time [01:57:23] that they came here, because it only lasts one day. [01:57:26] And then they have to apply for the second license and then [01:57:29] the third license. [01:57:30] So they would use all three of them. [01:57:31] So I think they need to review whether they want to do this [01:57:34] really for all three times. [01:57:37] I was very concerned when this whole project came up. [01:57:41] It's because of the weather. [01:57:43] Trying to put on a project like this in the summertime [01:57:45] because of our afternoon storms. [01:57:48] Heat, of course, I'm used to that part of it. [01:57:51] But I usually get out of the rain. [01:57:54] I'm real concerned, as a mayor, it's about being a city event [01:57:59] and we sponsoring alcohol in a city event. [01:58:02] I have a question for the chief, though. [01:58:04] If we start having alcohol at this event, how much more [01:58:08] is it going to cost the city for protection? [01:58:11] Or how many more officers would you have in the park? [01:58:16] We didn't plan to add any additional ones. [01:58:18] We already have two assigned through the entire event. [01:58:24] And we have a regular patrol out at the same time. [01:58:28] Well, because when we had the early beer and wine tasting, [01:58:33] we had three officers that were normally there the whole time. [01:58:38] So I can't see us not adding more than two [01:58:41] for when we had 100 people. [01:58:44] And now we're looking at a very large crowd. [01:58:47] Because I think this project's going [01:58:49] to work very well as long as the weather stands. [01:58:52] So I would like you to think about this again [01:58:55] and compare the two. [01:58:59] Did you have three officers in the park during the Trinity? [01:59:02] Wine and cheese in the park? [01:59:03] I don't know that we had three assigned. [01:59:05] There may have been the patrol officers that [01:59:07] worked that area anyway coming by. [01:59:11] But this proposal was evaluated by one of my officers [01:59:15] that routinely plans for these types of events. [01:59:19] And he's advised me, and I agree with him, [01:59:22] that we only needed two for this. [01:59:25] Well, you had two there that stayed there the whole event. [01:59:29] And then you had a senior ranking officer come in. [01:59:32] And he was there pretty much the whole time. [01:59:36] Well, I actually instructed my senior officers [01:59:39] to go by there for public relations [01:59:42] as it was the first time we had an event like that. [01:59:45] And so I actually directed them. [01:59:46] And they were off duty and going there strictly [01:59:49] for that purpose. [01:59:51] Well, if we were in uniform, that's [01:59:53] why, because I was there for the event. [01:59:56] I have, I think, the first year. [02:00:00] We need to take a look at this project and get our feet wet one time, an event I'd like [02:00:07] to take all three or four shows and then evaluate it for the next year. [02:00:20] I move to approve with the condition that we evaluate what the sales were with the Holiday [02:00:26] Rotary Club after the first week and then for the following two concerts if they do [02:00:31] proceed work on a percentage basis for the donation to one of the city organizations. [02:00:37] Second. [02:00:38] We have a motion and a second, any further from the maker? [02:00:43] No once again I agree with Mr. Phillips and I just want the public to understand my viewpoint [02:00:48] on this. [02:00:49] It's a totally different type of beer tent than what you see at Chasco and the Bike Fest. [02:00:53] It's probably a couple of kegs of craft beer and some wine options if you want to have [02:00:59] a glass of wine or a craft beer during a two hour concert and there's not much more to [02:01:04] it than that. [02:01:05] It's a trial and error type thing but I think it's something new, it's something dynamic [02:01:09] during an event. [02:01:10] This whole summer concert series is new and I think it's going to be a success by the [02:01:13] end of the summer. [02:01:14] The first one went well and like I said if it doesn't work out then we learned our lesson [02:01:19] but I just think it's a very low scale thing we're doing here and I think it just adds [02:01:23] one more enhancement, gives another option to the concert goer to enhance their concert [02:01:29] experience and I'm in favor of it. [02:01:32] To the second. [02:01:33] Yeah I second that motion and giving you the option that if you can't do all three then [02:01:39] that's understandable. [02:01:43] Jeff's methodology and math and all that, it'll all work itself out and if it doesn't [02:01:50] go well just say that it was a great try and we appreciated the opportunity to partner [02:01:55] with the city, put our out there with our foundation to let them know the good work [02:02:00] that we do. [02:02:01] This doesn't profit anybody back in their pocket and the money goes back into the local [02:02:06] community so appreciate that and I'm willing to let it, to try it really and thanks. [02:02:14] Councilman? [02:02:15] No thank you. [02:02:16] Councilman Davis any further comments? [02:02:17] No not yet. [02:02:18] I think we're setting a bad precedent but that being said all those in favor please [02:02:23] signify by saying aye. [02:02:25] Aye. [02:02:26] Opposed? [02:02:27] Aye. [02:02:28] Aye. [02:02:29] Motion passes three to two. [02:02:31] Good luck with your event. [02:02:33] Thank you Mr. Mayor.

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18. 9.d

    Mural Design 5644 Main St.

    approved

    Council approved the design for a storefront mural at 5644 Main Street following a recommendation from the Main Street Board's design committee. The mural had been started without design approval, and this action allows the artist to complete the project.

    • motion:Motion to approve the storefront mural design at 5644 Main Street. (passed)

    📍5644 Main Street🏢Greater New Port Richey Main Street Board👤Davis👤Janine Humphrey👤Jeff👤Ms. Pearl👤Starkey👤Warren#Storefront mural design approval

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    [02:02:36] Next is mural design 5644 Main Street. [02:02:47] Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, a storefront mural has been established at 5644 [02:02:56] Main Street. [02:02:59] It is not completed though because they didn't get design approval for the mural. [02:03:08] Our ordinance specifies that the development, I'm sorry, that the design committee of the [02:03:16] Main Street Board review design murals and then make a recommendation to you for consideration. [02:03:24] So in that respect an application was submitted jointly by the artist and by the property [02:03:34] tenant and as such a special meeting was called of the design committee and their recommendation [02:03:44] to you is to approve the design for the downtown, I'm sorry, for the storefront mural at 5644 [02:03:53] Main Street, a picture of which is attached for your review to the council agenda item. [02:04:03] Thank you. [02:04:04] Open this up for public comment. [02:04:06] Seeing no one come forward bring it back to council. [02:04:08] Move for approval. [02:04:09] Second. [02:04:10] We have a motion and a second to the maker. [02:04:13] No, I just think it's a completion of what was started. [02:04:15] I know that they had good intentions to start and then we stopped them because they didn't [02:04:22] have all their ducks in a row. [02:04:26] You know, the same artist is working on her work and the other murals downtown are really [02:04:35] a net benefit to the attractiveness of our downtown and the business tenant and the owner [02:04:44] and all that and now that they have the blessings of the New Port Richey, greater New Port Richey, [02:04:53] that's good with me and I just think we ought to let them finish. [02:04:56] Second. [02:04:57] As you all might have read I actually stopped by and thanked the artist for doing this pro [02:05:00] bono and enhancing our downtown and then a day later code enforcement stopped by. [02:05:06] I guess it's been a while. [02:05:07] He shined a big light on it, Mr. Starkey. [02:05:08] Well, Jeff said it was all right. [02:05:09] He liked it. [02:05:10] A lot of it would have been done and gone but there it is. [02:05:11] Pretty much, yeah. [02:05:12] Thank you very much. [02:05:13] So I guess it's just been a while since a mural was done and, you know, first the tenant [02:05:20] was a little upset that, you know, they had to go through this process but, you know, [02:05:22] if you think about it, a building owner could put a swastika sticker on the side of their [02:05:27] building or something very, very offensive to people. [02:05:29] So that's why we obviously have this approval process in force but Ms. Pearl is a wonderful [02:05:35] artist, a very nice person and I think she's going to do a great job completing the project. [02:05:39] Ms. Warren? [02:05:41] Yeah. [02:05:42] I think those of you who remember Janine Humphrey who was the chairman of the design team, she [02:05:46] always wanted another, at least one more mural. [02:05:50] So I snapped a picture of this and sent it to her and she's just delighted so I think [02:05:54] it's good. [02:05:55] But what I would like to say is, again, perhaps we can share the narrative about the design [02:06:00] on our website and on our social media so that the community is aware of, especially [02:06:05] our downtown community, is aware of how to go about that. [02:06:11] Councilman Davis? [02:06:12] I'll be glad to see it finished. [02:06:17] I can't believe you ratted her out. [02:06:20] I did not, I promise. [02:06:24] There's no further discussion on this. [02:06:29] All in favor, please signify by saying aye. [02:06:32] Aye.

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19. 9.e

    Three-Minute Report: Finance

    Finance department reported on ongoing FY17 budget work, Tyler Technologies implementation, and the FY15 audit, which is expected to be completed by July 31st. An extension for the CAFR and audit report submission was requested from the state and GFOA due to delays in the FRS audit (now complete) and the firefighters pension plan audit (still in process).

    🏢GFOA🏢Tampa Bay Water🏢Tyler Technologies👤Ms. Feast#CAFR#FRS (Florida Retirement System) audit#FY15 audit#FY17 budget#Firefighters pension plan audit

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    [02:06:33] Opposed? [02:06:34] Like sign. [02:06:36] Next is a three minute report from finance. [02:06:45] The finance department continues to work on the fiscal year 17 budget, as you know, implementation [02:06:52] of Tyler Technologies and the fiscal year 15 audit. [02:06:55] I'll take this time to update you on the audit and let you know that it's still in [02:06:59] process and is expected to be completed by July 31st. [02:07:04] An extension of the submission of our CAFR and audit report were requested from the state [02:07:09] and GFOA due to delays in the completion of the FRS's audit and our firefighters pension [02:07:19] plan audit. [02:07:20] We were one of many cities that had to request an extension because we are participants in [02:07:27] the FRS. [02:07:29] So we did have to request an extension because the auditor general was not complete with [02:07:33] auditing the FRS plan. [02:07:35] They are now complete. [02:07:38] And so we're able to implement those disclosures, those required disclosures into our CAFR. [02:07:46] The same goes for, well, the firefighter pension plan audit is still currently in process. [02:07:54] There are required disclosures that we take from that audit and include in our CAFR, and [02:07:59] we can't complete it until their audit is complete. [02:08:03] It's in process. [02:08:04] I've been in contact with the secretary of the firefighter pension plan, and she ensured [02:08:13] us that their auditors are diligent and working to complete that audit as soon as possible. [02:08:19] Thank you. [02:08:20] If it's any consolation, Tampa Bay Water just managed to get their audit out the door for [02:08:23] exactly the same reason. [02:08:27] Any other questions from Ms. Feast? [02:08:30] Okay, three-minute report, fire and emergency. [02:08:36] As of this morning, the fire department has responded to 2,248 calls for service, which [02:08:41] includes fire and EMS calls, and we have completed the following inspections, 285 commercial [02:08:51] assisted living facility nursing homes and hospitals, as well as daycares, 32 business [02:08:58] tax receipts, 45 plan reviews and permits, and we have also played an active role in [02:09:05] numerous city park festivals doing vendor inspections and public relations. [02:09:11] We have also completed over 400 training hours, which consists of in-service hours, certification [02:09:17] hours, as well as daily training. [02:09:21] We played an active role in the tropical storm Collin with the county EOC from start to finish. [02:09:29] We stayed engaged with the storm's activity and predictions, which kept us in tune as [02:09:34] a city with a unified approach to the storm, which gave us a gauge on the appropriate level [02:09:43] of preparedness with staffing and apparatus within our department. [02:09:50] We recently had our 22-year-old ladder truck repainted, which was in much need. [02:10:00] Also new reflective striping, a rear chevron, and those designs also match the other trucks [02:10:07] within our fleet, and we also got new LED emergency lighting, which improves safety [02:10:11] standards for our firefighters and our citizens as we are responding through our city streets. [02:10:19] We recently filled a vacant part-time administrative assistant position in fire admin. [02:10:26] We also completed the application process for part-time firefighter positions to increase [02:10:31] our pool from 8 to 10, which will help keep our daily shift staffing at 7.

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20. 9.f

    Three-Minute Report: Fire and Emergency

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    Staff presented a draft noise ordinance to replace the current one, which legal staff deemed unenforceable due to its subjective nature. The proposed ordinance establishes decibel limits and time restrictions for residential (55/65 dB, 7am-10pm) and non-residential (70 dB minimum, 7am-11pm) properties, with reduced limits during nighttime hours. Staff sought council feedback before bringing a first reading at a future meeting.

    • direction:Council received the draft noise ordinance presentation and was asked to provide direction for staff to return with a first reading at a future meeting. (none)

    📍Sims Park👤Ms. Manns#health and safety committee#proposed noise ordinance#uniform committee

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    [02:10:37] Also we have initiated a health and safety committee, as well as a uniform committee [02:10:42] within the department comprised of firefighters representing all three shifts. [02:10:47] That's all I have. [02:10:48] Can I answer any questions? [02:10:49] Thank you. [02:10:50] Any questions? [02:10:52] Thank you. [02:10:53] Next is a discussion on a proposed ordinance on noise standards. [02:10:57] Ms. Manns? [02:10:58] Yes. [02:10:59] Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, for several months now the staff has been fielding [02:11:06] complaints of noise, in large part emanating from some of our downtown establishments. [02:11:17] Additionally, though, we've received complaints of noise in relationship to special events [02:11:25] that are hosted in Sims Park. [02:11:29] As a result of the complaints, the staff went to our ordinance and found it to be rather [02:11:37] subjective in nature, and it was confirmed by the City's legal staff that it's unenforceable [02:11:49] as it's currently written. [02:11:50] So we decided to draft a new ordinance. [02:11:53] We wanted to present that to you this evening to get a response from you and additional [02:12:00] direction as well so that we can come back at a future meeting with a first reading. [02:12:08] One of the methods that the staff used in trying to develop an ordinance was to come [02:12:16] up with a reasonable sound limit from other communities that have noise ordinances in [02:12:26] place. [02:12:27] Of particular interest to us were communities that had a traditional downtown with residential [02:12:34] neighborhoods surrounding it. [02:12:37] I've sent out to you in a communication that we sent out last Friday a draft ordinance [02:12:46] that commits to writing those standards. [02:12:52] In addition to looking at sound limit ranges, we're also looking at time limits as a mechanism [02:13:02] to control the noise that is emitting from properties where the sound level is an issue. [02:13:16] Specifically, we're looking at two different tables, one for residential property and a [02:13:22] second for non-residential property. [02:13:25] The residential properties would establish a time limit from 7 a.m. to 10 o'clock p.m. [02:13:37] At 55 decibels or 65 decibels depending on whether you use an A or a C range instrument. [02:13:47] And the times would be reduced at 10 o'clock p.m. spanning until 7 o'clock a.m. the following morning. [02:13:59] In the non-residential districts, we would establish a time from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. at [02:14:06] night with a higher sound limit than what is permissible within the residential limit. [02:14:14] We've established a minimum at 70 decibels. [02:14:20] And then again at 11 o'clock at night to 7 o'clock in the morning, the sound level would [02:14:26] be reduced to what it is during daytime hours in residential districts. [02:14:33] The outdoor sound level measurements would be taken within the real property line of [02:14:39] the noise emitting property for purposes of the ordinance. [02:14:45] In addition to looking at the successful noise ordinances of other communities, the police

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21. 10.a

    Discussion: Proposed Ordinance on Noise Standards

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    Council discussed a proposed noise ordinance establishing decibel limits with an escalating fine structure ($150/$250/$500) for violations after a 10-minute warning period. Council requested staff bring back examples of decibel levels for context before voting, and noted special events would be handled through the permitting process. No action was taken; item will return for further consideration.

    • direction:Council directed staff to bring back the noise ordinance with examples of comparable decibel levels (vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, jackhammers, Sims Park concert readings) to help councilmembers understand the proposed standards. (none)

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    [02:14:55] department also conducted a study on noise levels. [02:15:00] which is how we came up with what we consider to be a reasonable standard. We [02:15:05] are not by any means the most restrictive nor the most liberal in the [02:15:10] numbers that we selected. We tried to come up with something about in the [02:15:16] middle. The portion of the ordinance that deals with special events is is less [02:15:26] defined and the reason that it's less defined is because the staff felt that [02:15:32] it would be better to deal with noise levels on an individual basis through [02:15:40] the permitting process since we have to give special permission for the events [02:15:46] and the entertainment on a singular basis rather than to commit to a number [02:15:54] that might not work for every every special event. The enforcement of the [02:16:02] ordinance is one in which we are recommending an escalating scale for [02:16:11] failure to comply with the ordinance and specifically what we're [02:16:18] asking for is that if an officer arrives at the site where the maximum [02:16:28] levels prescribed in the ordinance are being violated, then a warning is issued. [02:16:35] The offending business then has 10 minutes to voluntarily comply with the [02:16:43] ordinance. If that's done, no further action is taken. If however, a second [02:16:50] complaint is received within a six-month period, the fine would be $150 for [02:16:57] failure to comply. A second visit would be $250 and a third visit would be a $500 [02:17:06] fine, all of which are enforceable either through the city's special [02:17:14] magistrate or before the Pasco County Court at the city's discretion in the [02:17:21] event that an offender wants to challenge the ordinance or the [02:17:30] application of the ordinance. And that's where we are with it. Are there any [02:17:39] comments or some additional direction that you'd like to provide me with? I [02:17:43] have a question I guess. I'm very surprised to hear this first time I've [02:17:48] heard that people were complaining about special events in Sims Park. What's the [02:17:53] latest those bands play during events at Sims Park? 11 o'clock, right? You know, we need to be [02:18:01] compassionate to our residents as well, but on the other hand, if you [02:18:07] move by Sims Park, that amphitheater has been there quite a long time. There's [02:18:11] been concerts going on there for quite a long time. There's always two sides to [02:18:15] every story. I'm not downtown enough to know, but you know, the people at Dulcet [02:18:20] say the reggae band's always done by 11, but then I hear, you know, the second [02:18:24] stuff on the flip side. That's not true. They play till one in the morning. Yeah, [02:18:28] if I live two streets over and I hear that reggae music, and I like reggae, but [02:18:32] at one in the morning I got a migraine headache and I'm not feeling well, then I [02:18:36] understand. But there has to be a little give-and-take. If you move a street or [02:18:39] two off of the main downtown area, you know, like I would expect it to hear a [02:18:45] little bit of music every now and then, just comparison to if you live, you know, [02:18:50] down by Schwetman maybe. I live across the street from the river on Astor Drive [02:18:54] and I hear the music from Whiskey River. I hear the music from Guild Dogs when [02:18:57] they have events, and you know, I just kind of take it in stride that there's [02:19:01] waterfront bars and restaurants in New Port Richey. I know they're having to address [02:19:05] noise ordinances they've already addressed in the past, but you know, with [02:19:08] a new possible waterfront bar going in, it's something they're re-evaluating [02:19:12] from what I read in the paper on Friday. What's tough for me is I don't have no [02:19:16] idea what 55 decibels A sounds like. So, I mean, for me to sit here, and I know [02:19:21] we're not approving anything tonight, you know, that's tough for me to make that [02:19:25] decision as a voter up here because I have no idea how loud that is or what it [02:19:29] sounds like from, you know, 100 yards away or 50 yards away. So maybe we can [02:19:34] conduct some kind of, I wouldn't mind getting an idea of how loud that noise [02:19:39] comes across because I would be voting on something and that I have no idea [02:19:43] what kind of decibel level, what it even feels like or sounds like. So I'd like to [02:19:48] kind of get an idea, maybe go, I can go with an officer maybe to Reaganite and [02:19:52] hold the little decibel meter or whatever you call it and, you know, see [02:19:56] this is where they're at now and maybe back up and try to get an idea because [02:20:00] I'm not, I don't have any background in that kind of. I understand the point [02:20:04] that you're making and the next time we bring this item back to you for [02:20:09] consideration, I'll have some examples of some sound levels so that it'll help [02:20:15] you gauge what the levels are that we're prescribing. Yeah, it's just, this is [02:20:21] going to be very, very delicate. We need something enforced that's enforceable, [02:20:25] but I want it to be fair to both parties involved, both residents and business [02:20:30] owners and event coordinators putting events in Sims Park. Yeah, the issue [02:20:35] with Dulcet, I've heard complaints from people that live on Lafayette all the [02:20:41] way down by the river. Yeah, it travels for sure. It's bouncing off the Verizon [02:20:46] building or whatever they call it now. I can hear them on specific nights at [02:20:52] Gulf Middle School. We got out of the car one night and my wife said, what's that? So yeah, you [02:20:59] know, I think they get fired up. I live on Lafayette. I'm two blocks from the [02:21:05] downtown. After a time, it's like white noise. You know, like you said, you just... [02:21:09] But then you can't hear any sound, noise, sound? Oh, if it's country, it's like, oh my God. [02:21:16] I think, I mean, there's so much depends on everything. You know, they're on very, [02:21:24] you know, I don't know if it's still nights or quiet nights or cold nights or [02:21:28] hot nights or whatever. Sometimes the sound carries, sometimes it doesn't. There [02:21:32] are times, you know, with events at Sims Park that you can hear the music. I [02:21:39] can make out what they're saying on the microphone. And then there are [02:21:44] times when there's activity on Railroad Square, music included, that, you know, it [02:21:48] doesn't. So I really don't know what it is that makes that sound bounce. I've [02:21:52] been at the Dulcet and the Cavalier Square when the music is playing and you [02:22:00] can't talk, you know, you just can't even talk. You know, you have to almost type [02:22:04] to the person next to you. So it, you know, it would be nice if it was lower. And I know [02:22:09] that I've had someone connect to say that it's the bass or whatever that [02:22:14] just resonates so loud. I know that was an issue with the theater. The theater has [02:22:19] some issues with even, you know, just sounds in the evening. So it is, it's a [02:22:25] really tough, a tough call. But the question I have is, I'm a little confused [02:22:31] about the way this is sounding with, so if you're in a residential area from 7 [02:22:35] a.m. to 10 p.m., there's a certain decibels. And then from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m., what? [02:22:42] Because I'm... It's lower, lower decibels. Yeah, which would indicate that it's, that you're still able, [02:22:49] are you talking about amplified noise talking or just amplified music or what [02:22:54] is it? It's all noise. It wouldn't be talking. Non-amplified human voice is [02:22:59] covered under the exceptions. There's several exceptions that are included, but [02:23:04] that would be somebody playing their radio too loud, their TV's on, or live [02:23:10] music. So it does, at a certain point at night, all the levels have to go down. [02:23:17] Right, right, right. Yeah, and I agree with that. It's just that it's, I guess I'm used to the [02:23:22] idea that, you know, no amplified sound after 11 o'clock with special events, and [02:23:26] so I was thinking after a certain time in a residential area that we're [02:23:31] even allowed, that there's still allowed to be noise or music, so. Well, there's [02:23:36] always going to be some, but at some point it's low enough that you don't notice it. [02:23:40] Yeah, I looked at a few of these. The only thing my wife asked me to make sure to [02:23:47] ask of is, can you, can you give me, can you, don't, make sure you don't, you don't [02:23:51] make sure you exempt out barking dogs, because we have a few in the [02:23:55] neighborhood that she just gets really animated about, and it gets to be, it [02:24:02] gets to be, it's not white noise, I can tell you that. And, but I think we need to [02:24:10] step through this. I think, you know, we, we beg for people to come downtown, and [02:24:15] now we have them there, and now we've created some, some dynamics. It's, it's [02:24:20] not easy to have those problems, but it's, we need to address them. We need to [02:24:25] make sure that the restaurants and the businesses know that this isn't [02:24:28] detrimental, especially one of them where they're using our park, and we gave them [02:24:32] our park, and I mean, you know, when you ask them to lower it down, I don't think [02:24:37] you can sell more drinks if you're blasting somebody five feet away. I don't, [02:24:42] I don't understand how that works, but I just think that we need to update our [02:24:49] ordinance. We need to put it in place so that we can kind of manage the, the [02:24:56] element the best we can right now. Councilman Davis, any thoughts? I just [02:25:03] want some time to investigate it, and I'll get back with you. [02:25:08] Yeah, if we could get some examples. Also, I have to sign off now. Yeah, that's, that's [02:25:14] fine. Did you have any general comments for communications? No, I'm fine. All right. [02:25:19] And I can check with what, with the tapes and put all you had to say. Thank you for [02:25:24] joining us. I would, I would ask if we could get some specific examples of [02:25:30] what these different things are. I'll make sure we get some. Make it easier. And the other one is, is that we need to make sure that our own houses is clean, because we do get [02:25:40] complaints about our street cleaners starting too early in the morning. You [02:25:45] got those elements and all those. I just want to make sure that, you know, we put [02:25:50] them in place and then we have to come back and defend it, because we're, we have [02:25:54] excessive elements in there. So. Just because I know it's going to come back [02:26:03] on me to get these examples that you want, I can't bring in sound into here [02:26:09] and get you to understand it. But if anyone would like to, in the evening [02:26:15] hours when some of these things are going on, I'd be happy to have our [02:26:18] officers with a decimeter take you to these locations so you can see what the [02:26:22] sounds really like. But we can provide examples that are common to your daily [02:26:27] experience so that you can understand it. Vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, jackhammers. [02:26:34] Right. Got it. The band in Sims Park. Sure, we took decibels at our first concert series, so we can give you what those were as well. [02:26:47] Great. It is one of my favorite times when we get to communications and reports [02:26:53] and we can actually talk to each other, since we have a member of the fourth [02:26:56] estate there to duly report if we say anything we shouldn't. [02:27:01] Councilman. Just to address Mr. House, he hasn't been here in a while. I don't know if it was me or one of my [02:27:08] colleagues that offended him. I don't remember anyone saying anything to him [02:27:11] that would come across as offensive. I've been on the receiving end now and it [02:27:17] doesn't feel too good. But, you know, he's had issues with us since day one, but [02:27:22] the bottom line that the mayor handled it well is, you own a piece of property, [02:27:27] you're responsible for what happens on that property, and that's just common [02:27:30] sense. Whether it's your primary house, your rental home, things come up. You may [02:27:34] have a tenant in there that's doing something you had no idea about. You bet it. [02:27:37] You know, ran background checks prior to renting to the person and just, you [02:27:42] know, threw you a curveball. But, you know, we'll work with you on that. But to say [02:27:46] that you're not responsible for a tenant parking in your front yard to me is, I [02:27:50] mean, that's just totally, totally out of line and off the wall. I don't get that [02:27:54] at all. And for someone that owns as many properties as he does, and he always [02:27:58] brings up the overall investment he has in the city of New Porochi, as far as [02:28:02] property values go, I would assume that he would know that he is responsible. As [02:28:08] is any landlord, you're responsible for what happens on the property that you're [02:28:13] renting out to your tenants. That's common sense. We're going to enforce it. [02:28:16] It's one of the biggest problems we have here in New Porochi, but we will [02:28:19] continue to address it and enforce it. I did not make it downtown for the [02:28:24] fireworks, but I did want you all to know that I was at the still house out [02:28:28] about a mile in the Gulf of Mexico, and my kids and myself and friends were [02:28:31] able to watch the fireworks from all the way out at the still house. You could [02:28:35] see it was really, really cool. And normally I'm thanking the New Porochi [02:28:39] Police Department, but this time I'm going to publicly thank the Porochi [02:28:42] Police Department. We go to a Fourth of July party in the, what's it called, the [02:28:48] Isles, Harbor Isles neighborhood of Porochi. And our friends Allison and [02:28:53] Aaron Yonke and Allison's a very, very just great mom, and she likes doing fun [02:28:59] things with all the kids and their kids' friends. And every year at the Fourth [02:29:02] of July party, all the kids bring over their bikes, scooters, Segways, whatever [02:29:06] they have, and decorate their mode of transportation with Fourth of July [02:29:11] banners. And it's a really, really cool thing. There's about 30, 40 kids usually. [02:29:16] And the Porochi, every year, including this year, the Porochi Police Department [02:29:19] sends out two officers in two different vehicles, and they escort the kids [02:29:23] around the neighborhood. And this year they passed out free Slurpee passes to [02:29:27] all the kids, and my kids have never had a Slurpee, so they took advantage of that [02:29:30] today. And they mixed all five flavors into one, and somehow fit it in pretty [02:29:35] small cups. And now they know what a Slurpee tastes like. But, you know, [02:29:41] just going back to what Judy and I were talking about over dinner, it's just, you [02:29:44] know, so many of our youths these days just have, I blame their parents, but [02:29:49] just the values in America overall just declined so immensely over the [02:29:55] last, I guess, couple generations, decades, I don't know how you would put it. [02:30:00] and you know our police officers and they're just constantly disrespected by our youth. [02:30:04] So to see you know the New Port Richey Police Department, I'm sure our police department [02:30:08] does similar things, do such a cool thing for the kids and pass out free Slurpee tickets [02:30:12] and escort them with their sirens around the neighborhood. [02:30:14] It goes a really long way with fathers and mothers like myself and my wife upbringing [02:30:19] our kids to try to do the right thing and respect the you know local law enforcement [02:30:23] and it just sends the right message. [02:30:25] So thank you to New Port Richey Police Department this time for doing that and as you've been [02:30:29] doing it every year for the past few years. [02:30:31] Councilman? [02:30:32] Yes, well this past weekend was really quite an event. [02:30:39] I think the park looks absolutely wonderful and when we're hosting an event in the park [02:30:45] it just really just enhances it. [02:30:49] While I was there this weekend I had a couple of residents come up and share concern I promised [02:30:54] that I would share with you all. [02:30:56] I guess we have at the children's playground entering into the playground there's a logo [02:31:03] of our city embedded in the sidewalk and it's pretty slick and when it rains it gets even [02:31:09] slicker and there was someone that caught a woman who slipped on it and had he not been [02:31:14] there to catch her she would have had quite a fall. [02:31:17] I know it's the insurance agent in me that you know I think that we need to look at that. [02:31:22] I don't know what to suggest, if it needs to come out, if it can be roughed or you know [02:31:26] I just want to bring it to our attention because you know what doesn't happen in a lifetime [02:31:30] can happen in a minute and in the long run addressing it now prior to anything happening. [02:31:37] And the same issue and again this is probably a bigger issue but have had a lot of moms [02:31:44] and dads and people just really concerned about the surface for the splash pond and [02:31:55] I have to say that I think I too was a little surprised when I saw that we just left it [02:32:00] with the concrete. [02:32:02] There too I don't know I'm sure it was a cost effective measure that we did but I think [02:32:07] that we might need to address that again because that is such a hard surface and if

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22. 11Adjournment▶ 2:32:15